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Topic: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1876 on: August 06, 2019, 02:21:54 PM »
or better yet, in a RPO cause the defender in conflict to pick and then in the blink of an eye option to the weakness of the defender
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1877 on: August 06, 2019, 03:28:56 PM »
As an offensive coordinator, Paul Chryst would show a lot of different looks that ran the same plays, looking for ways to trick the defense and for learning the defenses' cheats. One criticism of him was that he went to the trickery too soon (see TCU Rose Bowl), rather than just waiting for a defense to stop him first. Bielema infamously told him not to throw the ball again against (I think) Michigan in a game where the Badgers were gashing Michigan on the ground. 

So while I generally agree with your thesis that the Badgers are good at relying on their base ground game, I think Chryst is more creative than people give him credit for, sometimes to a fault.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1878 on: August 06, 2019, 03:36:31 PM »

But even without the QB doing it pre-snap, the OC can make calls designed to burn a defense for trying to cheat and take away the bread and butter.
I get that but alot of it is simultaneous.What if a play called for that and the Defense reads it or doesn't decide to cheat.Then you need a good QB audiblizing.If the defense is ignorantly doing the same shit then yes.Damn we all should have gotten into coaching or sports journalism
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1879 on: August 06, 2019, 03:58:02 PM »

I get that but alot of it is simultaneous.What if a play called for that and the Defense reads it or doesn't decide to cheat.Then you need a good QB audiblizing.If the defense is ignorantly doing the same shit then yes.Damn we all should have gotten into coaching or sports journalism
At the college level, it's not common to find a heavy degree of called audibles by the QB. The teams don't have enough practice/film time, the QBs are typically not capable of it, and the OCs are not willing to give up that amount of freedom. There are exceptions, of course, but IMHO not too many. 

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1880 on: August 06, 2019, 04:13:35 PM »
agreed and this has obviously changed over the years.  QBs used to make more audible calls

this is more evident at the NFL level where the QB used to call nearly the entire the game back in the 60s and 70s, but don't make many calls at all today
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1881 on: August 06, 2019, 04:57:13 PM »
As an offensive coordinator, Paul Chryst would show a lot of different looks that ran the same plays, looking for ways to trick the defense and for learning the defenses' cheats. One criticism of him was that he went to the trickery too soon (see TCU Rose Bowl), rather than just waiting for a defense to stop him first. Bielema infamously told him not to throw the ball again against (I think) Michigan in a game where the Badgers were gashing Michigan on the ground.

So while I generally agree with your thesis that the Badgers are good at relying on their base ground game, I think Chryst is more creative than people give him credit for, sometimes to a fault.
I remember that Rose Bowl game well.  TCU was not in the Big 12 at the time, and I was rooting for the Badgers.  I didn't understand why Wisconsin was throwing the ball around when they should have been mashing TCU by running between the tackles.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1882 on: August 06, 2019, 10:07:23 PM »
Big blow as WR Jeshaun Jones tears his ACL. 

Out for the year. 

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1883 on: August 06, 2019, 10:18:39 PM »
I remember that Rose Bowl game well.  TCU was not in the Big 12 at the time, and I was rooting for the Badgers.  I didn't understand why Wisconsin was throwing the ball around when they should have been mashing TCU by running between the tackles.
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The damnedest thing about that game. UW ran the ball. A lot. Like if you go back and sit though and watch the plays in sequence, it mostly makes sense. A lot went wrong in that game, but when you take it apart piece by piece, it's not really that way at all.

(TCU did well in the red zone, won FP in the second half, got a lot of last line of defense tackles and an outrageous game from Carder, plus Andy Dalton sort of beat them senseless. All in a low-possession game that made those foibles on the edges more damning) 

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1884 on: August 06, 2019, 10:20:27 PM »
As an offensive coordinator, Paul Chryst would show a lot of different looks that ran the same plays, looking for ways to trick the defense and for learning the defenses' cheats. One criticism of him was that he went to the trickery too soon (see TCU Rose Bowl), rather than just waiting for a defense to stop him first. Bielema infamously told him not to throw the ball again against (I think) Michigan in a game where the Badgers were gashing Michigan on the ground.

So while I generally agree with your thesis that the Badgers are good at relying on their base ground game, I think Chryst is more creative than people give him credit for, sometimes to a fault.
He is creative, but you need an eye for it. He also dials up some passing concepts that I think are slightly on the advanced side. He can be a little too heavy on running on run downs and passing on pass downs, though sometimes it works out just fine. 

Granted, when he wants to get weird, that offense can get kinda broad.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1885 on: August 06, 2019, 10:21:49 PM »
How many options does a QB typically have when he comes up to the line?  Does he call 2-3 plays in the huddle?

I see him wiggle his fingers at the RB often, does that perhaps change whether he goes left or right?

I presume having a QB like a Jake Fromm is a huge advantage in this area.
Depends the offense. Some come out with two plays. I think some teams tweak back alignment left or right, but not sure how that function with blocking going one way or another. 

Then again, you can have an RPO with inside run/fade/screen all in one play all with a couple clean pre- or post-snap reads. 

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1886 on: August 06, 2019, 10:47:43 PM »
I remember that Rose Bowl game well.  TCU was not in the Big 12 at the time, and I was rooting for the Badgers.  I didn't understand why Wisconsin was throwing the ball around when they should have been mashing TCU by running between the tackles.
I also remember that Rose Bowl because Bret burned a timeout early in the 3rd quarter for no apparent purpose other than to scream at the head lineman the whole timeout. Turns out Wisconsin could have used that TO at the end of the game.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1887 on: August 07, 2019, 07:48:47 AM »
Depends the offense. Some come out with two plays. I think some teams tweak back alignment left or right, but not sure how that function with blocking going one way or another.

Then again, you can have an RPO with inside run/fade/screen all in one play all with a couple clean pre- or post-snap reads.

It sounds complicated to me, especially with blocking assignments, the number of possible plays in the Book, etc.  I wonder how often some player "doesn't get the word" and runs the wrong route, or breaks off differently, or blocks their own player, etc.

Maybe simple execution is more important that "we" often realize.  Simple execution.  Same on defense.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1888 on: August 07, 2019, 12:14:17 PM »
Athlon gets Big Ten coaches to anonymously comment on other Big Ten schools:

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-ten-coaches-talk-anonymously-about-conference-foes-2019

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1889 on: August 07, 2019, 12:37:19 PM »
Athlon gets Big Ten coaches to anonymously comment on other Big Ten schools:

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-ten-coaches-talk-anonymously-about-conference-foes-2019
Heh. I will bet a month's pay that Paul Chryst said absolutely nothing on this thing. He barely says anything, to anyone.
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