Sounds like Schiano to TennesseeGood hire and realistically probably the best they could do. Tennessee will play defense and run the ball and they won't be soft like they have been.
Does it look bad or Florida that their #1 candidate ran off to LA to coach the 2nd best team in that city?Not if they really landed Mullen.
Does it look bad or Florida that their #1 candidate ran off to LA to coach the 2nd best team in that city?yes, and even worse if Frost (#2) turned them down to go to UNL
No tears for Todd. He's a rotter. Rah-rah "faith, family, football" guy on the surface, and a stinker underneath.Is Graham the guy who told his player to lay on the ball till the clock expired? Yah, no love loss for that @ss h@t.
yes, and even worse if Frost (#2) turned them down to go to UNLYes to 1, no to 2. If he hadn't been a UNL alum, then I'd agree. But it's his alma mater, and it's still Nebraska. It's not like he spurned them to go home to Kansas.
Yes to 1, no to 2. If he hadn't been a UNL alum, then I'd agree. But it's his alma mater, and it's still Nebraska. It's not like he spurned them to go home to Kansas.I understand, but I also understand Chip going to LA.
And group texted his players last time he jumped jobs. And has held about five dream jobs.
That said, I don't get firing him right now. If anything, ASU vastly overachieved to get to 7-5. That roster, on paper, was awful. Granted he's been there long enough that it's his fault the roster got so bad.
Sumlin goneSumlin to Miss State?
whenever your #1 and #2 picks turn you down its a bad thingnot entirely true.
settling for #3 or #4 leads to guys that have less of a chance to succeed
Yes to 1, no to 2. If he hadn't been a UNL alum, then I'd agree. But it's his alma mater, and it's still Nebraska. It's not like he spurned them to go home to Kansas.I'd still say no to either as long as they wind up with Mullen. Chip probably wasn't a good fit in Gainseville. I think he'd have won for sure because he's a great coach, but he wouldn't have been it in for the long haul and he'd probably hate living there. Mullen fits that job to a T. He's coached at UF. He's been a head coach in the SEC and had success at a place like Mississippi State- which isn't easy to do. I'd say Mullen would be a better hire for UF than Frost.
Is Graham the guy who told his player to lay on the ball till the clock expired? Yah, no love loss for that @ss h@t.I've told you multiple times that NEVER happened. Jfc.
Sumlin to Miss State?If he couldn't win at aTm, what would he do at a place like msu in the same division? Ouch.
I've told you multiple times that NEVER happened. Jfc.Never.
If he couldn't win at aTm, what would he do at a place like msu in the same division? Ouch.lotta rumors that Sumlin might land in Arizona State.
Never.Last I checked there's still no asterisk in the official record books.
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lotta rumors that Sumlin might land in Arizona State.I'm hearing that too. I'd much rather have kept TG.
Last I checked there's still no asterisk in the official record books.I wouldn't say 100 percent, but it's undeniable that the players did it.
But no, no matter how bad Ty wishes TG actually told a player to lay on the ball that it absolutely 100% false.
I'm hearing that too. I'd much rather have kept TG.Sumlin is a nice person. To me that alone makes him an upgrade over Graham. Huge upgrade.
Sometimes getting turned down by your first option is a blessing in disguise.both of those things could be very true
I'd say Mullen would be a better hire for UF than Frost.
I wouldn't say 100 percent, but it's undeniable that the players did it.blame the zebra, it's his call
I keep an official record book and my official book, it says * next to that game. Hah!
I wouldn't say 100 percent, but it's undeniable that the players did it.Well yeah, no one is denying a player laid on the ball after Stave put it on the ground. But said player did NOT do it on direct orders from TG himself. I know this to be fact, too. There was a sideline camera on TG when Stave put the ball on the ground.
blame the zebra, it's his callPAC refs are the absolute worst.
players and coaches just trying to get a win
PAC refs are the absolute worst.B1G refs are pretty shitty.
Apparently the negative reaction Schiano is getting from Vol fans has him re-thinking the job.That is puzzling to me. He's a good coach.
I don't blame him--who wants to go where they are not wanted.
hah, he's no jon grudenLike, who is the Cincy coach right now? Like that?
the Vols fans are going to git what they deserve
They've probably had their fill of Bearcat coaches.I'm sure they have. But who do they think they are getting? Seriously.
Wow, all over social media that Texas A&M plans to announce Jimbo Fisher next HC.why would Jimbo leave a great job for a mediocre one? Makes no sense. FSU- man that's a great job.
That is puzzling to me. He's a good coach.they are hammering him all over twitter for covering up child rape when he was an assistant at Penn State. Apparently that's the reason they don't want him. Calling bullshit. They don't want him because he's not a sexy name like Jon Gruden or Chip Kelly or Scott Frost or Dan Mullen. A bunch of guys they were never ever going to get. If he was a hot name and they thought he'd bring a winner they wouldn't say a word.
I'm sure they have. But who do they think they are getting? Seriously.they should really go hire Cutcliffe and bring Martin along as OC and Assistant Head Coach and HCIW and let Cutcliffe do the heavy lifting the next 4-5 years and then hand over the reigns to Martin.
They should jest get Tee Martin and be done with it. IF he would go, that is.
Sumlin is a nice person. To me that alone makes him an upgrade over Graham. Huge upgrade.Are you nuts?!? Sumlin is a known drunk and all about his #swagger and #yessir phony BS, and ran a very loose ship. This is a crap take, if you care about things like discipline and making sure your kids don't get in trouble off the field than you would MUCH prefer TG over Sumlin, no contest.
Last I checked there's still no asterisk in the official record books.Except for the fact the @ss hat tweeted "I was hollering to get on the ball." yah it never happened.
But no, no matter how bad Ty wishes TG actually told a player to lay on the ball that it absolutely 100% false.
Except for the fact the @ss hat tweeted "I was hollering to get on the ball." yah it never happened.Nah, he didn't. But he did yell out "FUMBLE! THAT'S A FUMBLE!" pointing at the ball (this is on camera). You know, because he (like a lot of people right when it happened) genuinely believed that actually was a fumble. He later said in a press conference that because he thought it was a fumble he supported his player jumping on it. Now tell me, are you done talking out of your ass yet or do you want to continue?
they should really go hire Cutcliffe and bring Martin along as OC and Assistant Head Coach and HCIW and let Cutcliffe do the heavy lifting the next 4-5 years and then hand over the reigns to Martin.I mentioned that weeks ago, but I'm wondering if Cut would even want to do it.
they should really go hire Cutcliffe and bring Martin along as OC and Assistant Head Coach and HCIW and let Cutcliffe do the heavy lifting the next 4-5 years and then hand over the reigns to Martin.You've mentioned Cutcliffe a few times.Either he hasn't been approached or has made it clear he's happy standing pat
I'd fire Sumlin if I could get Fisher, but gotta be something fishy going on if Fisher goes from FSU to A&MWhat has Sumlin done without JFF?
like sanctions
Schiano definitely not going to Tennessee. Their loss in my opinion.
Also- sad that someone can be treated like a criminal when there is absolutely no evidence to support it.
They will get what they have coming....you always do.
That's going to be the situation for anyone that was on that PSU staff.Not a bad consolation place that they landed.
Greg Schiano and Larry Johnson may just have to stand pat.
if true wowIf true, the AD must be sent packing, right?
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There are reports that TN will owe Schiano $20 million in a buyout for a contract that was signed but TN backed out of it. But only speculation on this. Fox Sports Knoxville mentioned this.
only slander if it's not true.... i don't think anyone wants to hash that out again.You are entitled to your opinion.
he is/was a bad choice, anyway.
but watching this..... talk about fascinating.
they are hammering him all over twitter for covering up child rape when he was an assistant at Penn State. Apparently that's the reason they don't want him. Calling bullshit. They don't want him because he's not a sexy name like Jon GrudenTHIS THIS THIS THIS THIS
Clay Travis wants:
Schiano himself might have a decent case for slander against college football writer Clay Travis who took the reins in railroading his hiring at Tennessee; just read through his twitter: https://twitter.com/ClayTravis (https://twitter.com/ClayTravis)
And to make matters even weirder, he advocates hiring Lane Kiffin back, what the hell is going on in Knoxville?
I got about a minute into it...What a piece of shit Clay Travis is.To tar & feather Schiano to Sandusky's crime is criminal in it self.Actually said Schiano was implicated.This is actually character assassination he's throwing shit against the wall and seeing what would stick.You could accuse anyone in/at Penn St.The way this asshole says it smuggly and with conviction is unbelievable.This is the type of shit that gets people killed - literally
Schiano himself might have a decent case for slander against college football writer Clay Travis who took the reins in railroading his hiring at Tennessee; just read through his twitter: https://twitter.com/ClayTravis (https://twitter.com/ClayTravis)
And to make matters even weirder, he advocates hiring Lane Kiffin back, what the hell is going on in Knoxville?
I've told you multiple times that NEVER happened. Jfc.It Happened. (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/9/16/4737712/todd-graham-arizona-state-wisconsin) "I was hollering to get on the ball." - Todd Graham
you guys can believe what you want to believe, but nobody wants him because of his connection to penn state and during a period when players were play things, plain and simple. some people still put principle above all... and i respect that.I just have a hard time with the selective version of their "principal" - given the the shit they defended when some of Butches players stood up against others for sexual assault.
as i said before, had this been socialized via controlled release this entire thing could have been avoided- not only that people could have an opportunity to digest the possible hire, but also that the admin could have sampled the reaction.
Currie basically hired a buddy- and Haslam was once again 'in for a ounce in for a pound' meddling with things he ought not be involved with. it looks like it may not have been a MoA/MoU, which can be crumbled and tossed, but a binding contract offered by Haslam with the Universities backing (he was officially part of the committee) as long as two weeks ago... if that is the fact.... damn... just.......... damn.
GS's affiliation with PSU from that era is incredibly unfortunate... he'll wear that shadow likely forever, especially in the Bible Belt- and fair or not, people not given an opportunity to think this through WILL react however they want to, and in this case.... damn.
UT is an absolute mess....
I'm looking for somewhere to land... possibly New Mexico State or maybe Western Michigan- somewhere people have to ask "where?".... because this inferno just turned nuclear, and........ i'm about done with it.
It Happened. (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/9/16/4737712/todd-graham-arizona-state-wisconsin) "I was hollering to get on the ball." - Todd GrahamYes, he was shouting "FUMBLE! THAT'S A FUMBLE!" when it happened because HE GENUINELY BELIEVED it was a fumble. Your dishonest implication is he was telling his player to cheat, he directly ordered a player to cheat. There is video proof THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. Keep failing Ty, it's free amusement today.
THIS THIS THIS THIS THISTennessee's job stinks at this point and this was the best they could do. Period.
omg, this Tennessee thing is PRICELESS!!! Student protests, but allegedly Schiano already signed a contract, so for UT to back out, they'd have to pay his buyout, lol
Hilarious!!!!! All because the guy isn't Jon Gruden!!!!
who in hell would want to go to UT now? the DC of Montana State's brother's girlfriend's pen pal from the west indes?Lane Kiffen..?
and that is the curious part..... the winner here? Greg Schiano....NO!Clay Travis fanned the flames that Schiano was involved in the scandel.Schiano left Penn St 5-6 yrs before Mike McCreary stepped on campus.Where does Greg Schiano go to restore his rep?Clay Travis is a slime ball in a sea of pus.That asshole might have to start looking over his shoulder
you guys can believe what you want to believe, but nobody wants him because of his connection to penn state and during a period when players were play things, plain and simple. some people still put principle above all... and i respect that.Drew, I'm genuinely interested in your opinion on this. I think it offers deeper insight into what the Vol fanbase is thinking as well.
Last I checked there's still no asterisk in the official record books.Reffing Head Official Bill Carollo said the refs messed up (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/big-ten-to-wisconsin-refs-botched-late-game-sequence-at-arizona-state/) and Wisconsin should have received another play.
But no, no matter how bad Ty wishes TG actually told a player to lay on the ball that it absolutely 100% false.
https://www.landof10.com/michigan/arizona-state-pep-hamilton-michigan-footballMake sure your B.O.R. gets the memo
Heard from a few other people they've also heard rumblings about this behind the scenes. Eh, I don't think Pep is ready to be a head cfb coach of a P5 team.
https://www.landof10.com/michigan/arizona-state-pep-hamilton-michigan-footballI'd be absolutely shocked if Hamilton was seriously considered. I'd actually be for it, because I want Jedd Fisch back as full-time OC to be honest. He's on his way out at UCLA with Kelly being hired. I'd gladly dump Hamilton and Drevno in exchange for Jedd Fisch.
Heard from a few other people they've also heard rumblings about this behind the scenes. Eh, I don't think Pep is ready to be a head cfb coach of a P5 team.
NO!Clay Travis fanned the flames that Schiano was involved in the scandel.Schiano left Penn St 5-6 yrs before Mike McCreary stepped on campus.Where does Greg Schiano go to restore his rep?Clay Travis is a slime ball in a sea of pus.That asshole might have to start looking over his shoulderClay Travis might be the biggest f'n idiot in sports media...and that's saying something because that field is 98% populated with air heads and morons. That hillbilly know nothing makes Skip Bayless look like a genius.
Our athletic director is stupid. Firing TG was beyond stupid. I'm not happy about this at all.Most of the fans here in Phoenix that I know are not happy about it either.
In our business, we have what are called LOIs (letter of intent), at times we use a memo of understanding. In our world, they do have financial consequences when a party walks away before core services begin. I will be interested to learn about this situation. We might see something like party A owes party B X% of expected value, or some fixed sum, based on expected costs of undertaking the services at the outset. In the high dollar world of college coaching, I wouldn't be surprised if UT owes Schiano a year's pay.In our industry we use Memorandum Of Understanding (MOU). It is signed by both parties, and it is absolutely a binding agreement. I'm curious where this goes with Schiano.
Schiano isn't the savior some here make him out to be... decent coach no doubt... nowhere near the promised 'ground shaking' hire straight up promised, and then all the innuendo of huge names that ANY (real) UT fan would have been happy with such as Patterson, (who was snubbed for Kiffin, and later snubbed Hart in '12, and who just yesterday signed an extension and got a huge bonus), Petersen (which driveled out from straight up official sources starting Friday- another ANY real UT fan would appreciate), and of course the ever present fantasy of Gruden which they simply wouldn't kabosh when they had every opportunity to do so multiple times. then..... out of the clear blue we're to believe that Schiano was chosen (all the while leaking through official persons the hope of Petersen?) and acting like he is a good choice in comparison?Even if you think he is a horrible coach, your fan base and a radio boob are convicting him of something he clearly did not do, that would be disgusting if he did it.
Currie straight up said in a presser that 'money is no object' and blah blah blah... and does this on the heels of finishing the worst season in UT history with less than 12 hours to gauge response?
it is a freaking joke- and I get it- it's a joke on UT and their fans that everyone is enjoying... fairly earned. and a ghost that will haunt the program forever was born today, in a bed of pure bull shit.. it simply defies anything reasonable. And though i don't think Schiano is all what (especially tOSU fans) think he is- i think he's a decent coach and maybe a decent guy (don't know him, can't say) i don't for a second believe he fits the bill of 'what was promised'. that would be reserved for a Petersen or Patterson or even a Mullen- hell, a Leech or a Norvelle wouldn't have been met with near the revolt...
so... think on that... Norvelle would have been less welcomed than the prior mentioned, and even enthusiasts would have been greeted with a shoulder shrug, but not near with the revolt of Schiano. that was just DUMB. and a talking head got the splash he sought...
On the OSU boards a lot of posters were ready to pack his bags for him when the news initially broke.I would love him to stay. Cranking out top 15 or better defenses, and NFL draft picks at a historic pace, is hard to replace.
I've certainly never heard of him referred to as a "Saviour"
Of course I was also unaware that he was such a controversial character. So what do I know.
Schiano isn't the savior some here make him out to be... decent coach no doubt... nowhere near the promised 'ground shaking' hire straight up promised, and then all the innuendo of huge names that ANY (real) UT fan would have been happy with such as Patterson, (who was snubbed for Kiffin, and later snubbed Hart in '12, and who just yesterday signed an extension and got a huge bonus), Petersen (which driveled out from straight up official sources starting Friday- another ANY real UT fan would appreciate), and of course the ever present fantasy of Gruden which they simply wouldn't kabosh when they had every opportunity to do so multiple times. then..... out of the clear blue we're to believe that Schiano was chosen (all the while leaking through official persons the hope of Petersen?) and acting like he is a good choice in comparison?here's the thing: Tennessee isn't getting a Patterson or Peterson or any big name.
Currie straight up said in a presser that 'money is no object' and blah blah blah... and does this on the heels of finishing the worst season in UT history with less than 12 hours to gauge response?
it is a freaking joke- and I get it- it's a joke on UT and their fans that everyone is enjoying... fairly earned. and a ghost that will haunt the program forever was born today, in a bed of pure bull shit.. it simply defies anything reasonable. And though i don't think Schiano is all what (especially tOSU fans) think he is- i think he's a decent coach and maybe a decent guy (don't know him, can't say) i don't for a second believe he fits the bill of 'what was promised'. that would be reserved for a Petersen or Patterson or even a Mullen- hell, a Leech or a Norvelle wouldn't have been met with near the revolt...
so... think on that... Norvelle would have been less welcomed than the prior mentioned, and even enthusiasts would have been greeted with a shoulder shrug, but not near with the revolt of Schiano. that was just DUMB. and a talking head got the splash he sought...
I would love him to stay. Cranking out top 15 or better defenses, and NFL draft picks at a historic pace, is hard to replace.I agree, and suspect that they were lashing out in a "preemptive break up" sorta way.
And he is not a controversial figure,as a college coach. His players today, and their families, love the guy.
blah blah blah... UT WILL hire a big name. this isn't over yet by a long shot.. it's STILL UT, and they have the money this time around. they just made it harder than it should have been. if friggin' Currie is fired, and Blackburn gets the nod, or even Fulmer as an interim, the car will be back on the tracks. as bad as Hart was, his 'get rich quick' BS which led to his lack of popularity loaded the UT coffers.... and unless Schiano makes off with $20M for nothing, they still have it.Heh, the money helps.
you guys are going to wind up with Brady Hoke. Calling it now.Thread winner.
blah blah blah... UT WILL hire a big name. this isn't over yet by a long shot.. it's STILL UT,ehhh...ummm....yeah....no. Nope. Sorry. OJ land.
Yes, he was shouting "FUMBLE! THAT'S A FUMBLE!" when it happened because HE GENUINELY BELIEVED it was a fumble. Your dishonest implication is he was telling his player to cheat, he directly ordered a player to cheat. There is video proof THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. Keep failing Ty, it's free amusement today.He wasn't hollering fumble. He was hollering though.
Currently looks like Tennessee is looking at Brohm and Tee Martin.I couldn't see that happening. Purdue needs to do something to lock the guy up though, so his name doesn't come up every year.
Here's hoping that Brohm isn't the kind of guy to leave a place after just one year.
Currently looks like Tennessee is looking at Brohm and Tee Martin.I don't think Tee is ready for a big time job yet.
Here's hoping that Brohm isn't the kind of guy to leave a place after just one year.
Cutcliffe and Martin would be a home run set of hires in my opinion. Been saying it for weeks. The ship gets straitened out and you secure your future at the same time. Win-win.Coach Cut turned UT down before, right? When they hired Jones?
The key would be if Cut would do it or not.
Fire Currie. Hire Fulmer. Hire Cut. Hire Tee.agreed.... and then? circle the wagons, put their heads down in their homework and get to work not leaking a dang thing about anything...
FWIW, CFN, the old Mothership, recommends these 5 guys for Arizona State's consideration.I've developed the opinion that a great offensive mind > a great defensive mind in CF today. I wouldn't solve my problems by hiring a Def HC... UNLESS he has a bright minded and creative OC. However, most Def HC seem to want to go with a more conservative approach on O and I'm not sure the way CF is played today, that is the right call. jmo
Kevin Sumlin: He didn’t fit at Texas A&M, but ASU might be the right spot for a great guy, high-octane offensive coach.
Charlie Strong: Maybe, the idea is to defense to combat the rest of the Pac-12 offenses – and what’s coming at UCLA.
Mike Norvell: The Memphis head man is going to be part of the coaching carousel, and he certainly knows ASU as the former offensive coordinator.
Jeff Tedford: What he did in one year at Fresno State is nothing short of amazing. He certainly knows the Pac-12, and he proved he certainly knows how to coach.
Jim Bob Cooter: If AD Ray Anderson really likes the NFL style, the guy who’s making the Detroit offense go is soon going to be a big name.
FWIW, CFN, the old Mothership, recommends these 5 guys for Arizona State's consideration.I would look at Jeremy Pruitt, he is going to be a good coach for someone.
Kevin Sumlin: He didn’t fit at Texas A&M, but ASU might be the right spot for a great guy, high-octane offensive coach.
Charlie Strong: Maybe, the idea is to defense to combat the rest of the Pac-12 offenses – and what’s coming at UCLA.
Mike Norvell: The Memphis head man is going to be part of the coaching carousel, and he certainly knows ASU as the former offensive coordinator.
Jeff Tedford: What he did in one year at Fresno State is nothing short of amazing. He certainly knows the Pac-12, and he proved he certainly knows how to coach.
Jim Bob Cooter: If AD Ray Anderson really likes the NFL style, the guy who’s making the Detroit offense go is soon going to be a big name.
Why don't the Vols just hire the Memphis coach?Mike Norvell is from Texas and played college ball in Arkansas. Before he got the Memphis job, he travelled the world with Todd Graham as Graham was in his dream job quest.
i'll be surprised if Currie is still the AD in 24 hours.I'm surprised he is still the AD right now.
http://usatodayhss.com/2017/greg-schiano-tennessee-new-jersey-high-schools (http://usatodayhss.com/2017/greg-schiano-tennessee-new-jersey-high-schools)Tennesse's "QB of the future" was a 4* out of New Jersey.
NJ HS's backing Schiano
why would Jimbo leave a great job for a mediocre one? Makes no sense. FSU- man that's a great job.I'm curious what makes A&M a "mediocre" job. No doubt FSU is a good gig and would be tough to leave... but the A&M job is not exactly chopped liver.
aTm is a pretty good gig.Wouldn't argue that... I'm just curious how FSU being a "helmet" school actually benefits Fisher? History is certainly one thing, perhaps the biggest... I wonder what else.
Not quite a "helmet" school though, whereas FSU obviously is.
yeah that was probably a poor choice of words on my part. A&M is definitely a pretty good job. But the pressure there is insane. It's unrealistic. You have a fan base who thinks they are something they are not. The pressure there is nuts. A&M is the #2 school in the state of Texas and always will be. I can't even name a former A&M player other than Johnny Foosball- and that guy is an embarrassment.I assume your presumption that A&M is #2 in the state of Texas is based of "helmet" status again. Again, I'm wondering what that's getting the horns right now. A&M has had a better record than Texas for a few years now, despite playing in a tougher conference. Helmet status doesn't seem to be helping out the horns much lately. They just got beat by Texas Tech.
A&M just pushed Sumlin out of the door- a guy who won about 70% of his games and had a winning bowl record.
If A&M didn't have those kind of insane unrealistic expectations, it'd be a heck of a job.
All things considered, FSU is definitely a better job than A&M.
Coaches walk when money talks.Yep.. Very true. And A&M may just do that. Funny how a non-helmet can pay more than a helmet. Oh well.
Jimbo is yours if you want him.
All you have to do is make an offer that he can't refuse.
Simple as that.
FSU is not a helmet school in my book.I'd agree with that. Pretty close though, and still a better job than tA&M.
I've developed the opinion that a great offensive mind > a great defensive mind in CF today. I wouldn't solve my problems by hiring a Def HC... UNLESS he has a bright minded and creative OC. However, most Def HC seem to want to go with a more conservative approach on O and I'm not sure the way CF is played today, that is the right call. jmoI'm the exact opposite. I want my brightest offensive mind calling plays, and I don't want that to be the head coach. I'd much rather pair a defensive minded head coach with a brilliant OC than vice versa
I'm the exact opposite. I want my brightest offensive mind calling plays, and I don't want that to be the head coach. I'd much rather pair a defensive minded head coach with a brilliant OC than vice versaI think I'm with you. New England has the perfect set up. Defensive "guru" HC who completely entrusts his QB and "innovative" OC to do as they please on offense.
I'm the exact opposite. I want my brightest offensive mind calling plays, and I don't want that to be the head coach. I'd much rather pair a defensive minded head coach with a brilliant OC than vice versameanwhile..... some folks would settle for just a coach... :91::57:
I'd agree with that. Pretty close though, and still a better job than tA&M.Yep. Just because a school might have more money, better facilities, better weather, better recruiting opportunities, etc. than a helmet, does not necessarily make that school a helmet.
as far as arrangement of coaching talents...You forgot the Bobby Bowden style of coaching - wander around wondering what's going on.
Frost is a hands on coach- even donning equipment at one point this season pretending to be that week's opposition 'option' QB... it doesn't get more hands on than that, and i wager is players responded accordingly "he's one of us" in a Big Brother role...
Saban is a stand and review coach- micromanages his coordinators "let me see the drill... no, run it some more, when you've got it right come back to me" and is quick to dress down someone on the staff... I rarely see him go after players.
Meyer is a father figure "do it this way and trust the wisdom of that to me"- engaged in seeing his players succeed from right above them not one person removed.
Les Miles was a "I'll trust you when the chips are down" type.
i think the point i'm trying to make is in each instance the players trusted the coach, and more importantly the coach trusts the players. practice is when you ride the players w/o mercy and to the point of almost breaking them- a game is when you cut them loose to show off what they've learned... it's almost 'hands off' except to the point of correction. successful coaches, no matter their style or which side of the ball their expertise resides all share this. those who have trouble lack trust- either giving or gaining.
You forgot the Bobby Bowden style of coaching - wander around wondering what's going on.hey- that style didn't work that well for Brady Hoke. Maybe Bobby had the advantage because he wore a headset?
LMAO at Jason Witten - a current NFL player - having to say he's not a candidate to coach the Vols. FFS! Any truth to the rumor that anyone who's ever driven through Knoxville should submit their resume????it defies belief, huh? it's absolute insanity.
I'm the exact opposite. I want my brightest offensive mind calling plays, and I don't want that to be the head coach. I'd much rather pair a defensive minded head coach with a brilliant OC than vice versaWhat UW has is a little different from what you say. The HC calls all the plays in consultation with his OC, and he leaves the defense to his defensive coordinator with complete autonomy. I should say, three years and three defensive coordinators, but that's not the point
don't think it matters at all if the head guy was Offense or defenseUW's current ILB coach spent his whole life as an OL coach. So, yeah. Look at the ILB's for UW right now...
heck, Frost has been both, many guys have coached both sides of the ball
many coordinators can't seem to make the transition to the head guy
some can, regardless of offense or defense preference
I still can't believe that Mark Mangino was never given another chance.+1
In hindsight, he was practically performing miracles at Kansas.
+1Don Brown is on the old side- he'll be 64 next year- and hasn't been a head coach in a decade. He's also pretty highly compensated- making well over $1 mil a year and he basically has complete autonomy on defense. He basically came out and said last year that he's not looking to be a head coach.
BTW if I'm hiring a head coach I'm calling Joe Moorhead first and Don Brown second. Both are phenomenal coordinators with strong head coaching experience. Why aren't these guys hot names?
LMAO at Jason Witten - a current NFL player - having to say he's not a candidate to coach the Vols. FFS! Any truth to the rumor that anyone who's ever driven through Knoxville should submit their resume????yeah that was unbelievable. A current NFL player- who has never been a coach a day in his life- would just retire in the middle of an NFL season and go be the head coach at a P5 school? LMAO. Delusional.
Don Brown is on the old side- he'll be 64 next year- and hasn't been a head coach in a decade. He's also pretty highly compensated- making well over $1 mil a year and he basically has complete autonomy on defense.I'm sorry, but those are awful excuses. Most contracts are five or six years and I've not heard any talk of Brown retiring anytime soon. Plus P5 salaries would easily surpass what he's making. Moorhead is young? So what? P5 athletic directors are way, way too caught up in maintaining the status quo and taking this line of thinking. "Well, he's one of the best coordinators in the nation and he was a great head coach, buuuut I like my coaches between the ages of 50-54 so we're gonna pass."
Moorehead will get his shot soon enough. He's 44- gonna be 45 next year so he's relatively young. 1-2 more years at Penn State putting up the kind of numbers his offenses have and he'll get a HC job before you know it.
I'm sorry, but those are awful excuses. Most contracts are five or six years and I've not heard any talk of Brown retiring anytime soon. Plus P5 salaries would easily surpass what he's making. Moorhead is young? So what? P5 athletic directors are way, way too caught up in maintaining the status quo and taking this line of thinking. "Well, he's one of the best coordinators in the nation and he was a great head coach, buuuut I like my coaches between the ages of 50-54 so we're gonna pass."Nah. I think I'm pretty on the money. Brown isn't in a rush to be a HC. That's why he isn't one. If he wanted an HC job- he could get one. He's gonna be 64. Any job he'd go to would be a rebuild. Not sure he wants to work those hours and put in that effort. Who knows how long he even wants to coach for? Guy is pushing 70. And he's comfortable where he's at and paid very well.
Yep. Just because a school might have more money, better facilities, better weather, better recruiting opportunities, etc. than a helmet, does not necessarily make that school a helmet.True.... but that wasn't the question. The question was... what does being a helmet school benefit a coach or a potential coach? This question came about because of Mdot's original assertion that FSU is a better job than the A&M job.
Some schools dwarf Alabama in terms of recruiting access, fan base, or money (Florida, aTm, UGA etc), but it doesn't make them better jobs by any stretch. Decades and decades of consistent success defines a helmet school.
I could also see teams coming after the OC, simply for his ability to make wrinkles in the run game, building an offensive line and recruiting Ohio.What ya did there....i saw it - channeling your inner Barry
Jimbo got cross with the AD or some boosters of substance?Jimbo?
didn't like the way he is treated during a losing season?
doesn't think he's appreciated or respected?
Jimbo got cross with the AD or some boosters of substance?One of my buddies from FSU tells me FSU is interested in Scott Frost, now. I never liked Jimbo Fisher. He mumbles. Among other hangups I have with him.
didn't like the way he is treated during a losing season?
doesn't think he's appreciated or respected?
Nah. I think I'm pretty on the money. Brown isn't in a rush to be a HC. That's why he isn't one. If he wanted an HC job- he could get one. He's gonna be 64. Any job he'd go to would be a rebuild. Not sure he wants to work those hours and put in that effort. Who knows how long he even wants to coach for? Guy is pushing 70. And he's comfortable where he's at and paid very well.Dude inherited a 1-10 FCS team and went 38-13 with three playoff appearances. Before that, he had five years as OC, turning around Akron and then being kinda blah at UConn (first year good, second less so, but with a Fiesta Bowl trip).
Moorehead will get a head coach job soon. He's only been the OC at Penn State for 2 years.
Before the mid-major that your are a fan of goes out and Todd Graham or his next dream job, just keep in mind these stories in just a 11 month tenure at Pitt.Haha so much of this sounds like undocumented heresay but even if it's all 100% true Graham will be the first to tell anyone going to Pitt in the first place was a mistake he regretted almost immediately. And even more importantly his 6 seasons at ASU he genuinely did treat the school, players, and job itself like a dream job. Team GPA and graduation rate has increased every season under TG. ASU went from one of the most penalized teams in the nation to least immediately when he took over, while off the field trouble was also extremely rare and dealt with when it did happen. He donated half a million of his own money to ASU's stadium rennovation and personally spearheaded a return to spending a week of fall practice at Camp Tontozona, a long storied and beloved ASU tradition that Erickson abandoned.
There was constant berating of the players, most of all Sunseri (who yes wasn't great but was serviceable the previous year) who other teammates though really affected his play. Also statements to players such as "I'll make more than you in a year that you will make in your lifetime." The university had to step in and force him to make a retraction.
this from the post-gazette
The Steelers practically threw a party when they heard that Pitt coach Todd Graham quit. That goes from the top to the bottom, from those who work in the offices to the coaches and every-day workers who came into contact with Graham and his staff in the building.
They described Graham as an arrogant man who had no use for anything the Steelers might have offered, and they say he resented having to share the building and the indoor practice field at the UPMC complex with them.
Before Graham, the Panthers and the Steelers ate in the same cafeteria, although at different times. Graham came in and put an end to that. The cooks at the cafeteria still prepare the food for the Panthers, but it is then brought over to the other side of the building, where Pitt created its own cafeteria to serve Graham's players and his wishes.
Instead of embracing the advantages that an association with the Steelers might bring, Graham rejected them, even if there was little he could do about the shared facilities. That really came down to just sharing the indoor practice field and the parking lots because everything else is separate, including weight rooms, outdoor practice fields, locker rooms, etc. It's one building, but it's really two, like a big duplex.
Under Chryst and Narduzzi, the Steelers, who probably could say they have better things to do than try to help some medicore P5 squad, make their coaches available to Pitt players and Tomlin has even taken time to speak with potential recruits.
When rumors were flying that Graham was leaving for ASU, the AD kept calling his house just for an answer about Graham was planning to do. Graham wouldn't pick up his cell phone, so the AD drove to his house. Only TG wouldn't even open the door and yelled through the window to go away
After being interviewed by Wisconsin when the deal was pretty much all but sealed, Chryst went on a recruiting visit for Pitt.
Nah. I think I'm pretty on the money. Brown isn't in a rush to be a HC. That's why he isn't one. If he wanted an HC job- he could get one. He's gonna be 64. Any job he'd go to would be a rebuild. Not sure he wants to work those hours and put in that effort. Who knows how long he even wants to coach for? Guy is pushing 70. And he's comfortable where he's at and paid very well.Oh you are right, I'm just saying it makes no sense for AD's to think this way. These guys are strong candidates and they should chase strong candidates.
Moorehead will get a head coach job soon. He's only been the OC at Penn State for 2 years.
I'm curious what makes A&M a "mediocre" job. No doubt FSU is a good gig and would be tough to leave... but the A&M job is not exactly chopped liver.You might've already come across these, but BOTH the Rival's and Scout site's posted their ten reasons "why Sumlin failed."
the talk now is Gundy to UT.I suppose you get do a lot worse than Gundy for your Plan F
nuts.
wanna hear something funny?That would be absolutely nuts if Kiffen were hired. It would be one of the most if not the most shocking coaching hire I've ever seen.
If Gundy falls through, Kiffin has approached UT expressing interest...
I SWEAR you can't make this stuff up....
And: Gundy was my original #4.
I get it
This wasn't about a singular event. This wasn't only about Schiano and Penn State.
It was about Kiffin. It was about Dooley. It was about Jones.
But, it was also about Pearl, Cuonzo and Tyndall.
It was about Delmonico, Raleigh and Serrano.
It was about the tragic end of the Pat Summit era and watching that program slowly be just another SEC team under Holly. A good team for sure, but not what once was.
It was about an athletic program that arguably is currently inferior to Vanderbilt.
It was about finishing 13th overall in the SEC men's all-sports standings for 2016-17. It's about not producing a men's SEC championship team since 2011 men's tennis.
It was about an athletic program that has failed and disappointed time and again. And through it all, people continued to cheer, support, travel, pay and hope.....only to be lied to, let down, and forced to endure.
But, this time would be different. The President of the school changed. The athletic director changed. All of the past failure was well documented. It could not be repeated. It would not be repeated. This time it was going to be different.
And then it wasn't.
And the people, who only have their voices, stood up and said "hell no". As many have pointed out, it united this fan base like nothing else in a decade. Everyone agreed. Everyone had enough. "Hell no". In a matter of a few hours, the push back was so strong that those in power had no choice but to listen.
I know that Tennessee fans are catching hell in some places, but I can only put myself in your shoes and say.... I get it
wanna hear something funny?Hmmmm, and yet...
If Gundy falls through, Kiffin has approached UT expressing interest...
I SWEAR you can't make this stuff up....
And: Gundy was my original #4.
Not sure how Tennessee could touch that guy with a 10 foot pole. Are the Tennessee fans that crazy? Do they actually want him back? He's proven even less in his uninspiring coaching career than Schiano.
So much for my pipe dream of Cutcliffe and Martin together.Y'all had the insider scoop right here and didn't believe me ;)
From the twitter of Chris Low (ESecPN):
Tennessee has reached out to David Cutcliffe about the Vols' head coaching job, but Cutcliffe informed UT officials that he wasn't interested and plans to finish his coaching career at Duke. The Blue Devils are bowl eligible for the 5th time in the last 6 years.
I suppose you get do a lot worse than Gundy for your Plan FS-S-Schwiiing :clap:
I don't get the Gundy thing. He's been at his alma mater for a good while with Boone's $$$ in hand. What's the draw here?same reason Jimmy Johnson left. Will never be able to over-take OU in the state. Plus the state of Oklahoma produce virtually no FBS talent. The state of Tennessee actually does believe it or not. Definitely more talent than the state of Oklahoma.
Lane Kiffin's twitter is an absolute gold mine.That's what makes me wonder if he actually wants to get back to a P5 school. He really seems like he might be way more in his element there, being himself. Being able to do stuff you can't really do at a Tennessee or a USC.
Hearing Joe Moorehead's name with Miss St.he should hold out. He's better than that job.
That's what makes me wonder if he actually wants to get back to a P5 school. He really seems like he might be way more in his element there, being himself. Being able to do stuff you can't really do at a Tennessee or a USC.agree. He's not a grown up. He belongs where he is at.
I don't get the Gundy thing. He's been at his alma mater for a good while with Boone's $$$ in hand. What's the draw here?From Gundy's vantage point, it would behoove him to get a desperate Tennessee program into a bidding war with T Boone Pickens.
From Gundy's vantage point, it would behoove him to get a desperate Tennessee program into a bidding war with T Boone Pickens.yeah, really think this is the case. especially since "rumors" are leaking that the Tennessee offer is $8 million a year. That can't possibly true. Can it? I think Gundy is a heckuva coach, but $8 million?
I don't get the Gundy thing. He's been at his alma mater for a good while with Boone's $$$ in hand. What's the draw here?
I don't get the Gundy thing. He's been at his alma mater for a good while with Boone's $$$ in hand. What's the draw here?after the way they treated Schiano- this just makes me laugh. I wouldn't let that bonehead on my campus - unless I could not care less how bad we looked from a public perception standpoint. Plus- SEC will chew him up and spit him out- unless he does something he has never done before- get a defense.
Is UT that much better a job than oSu these days? I don't think the Vols have the financial backing of someone like ole Boone Pickens.Pickens is one guy. Vols have bigger fan base, alumni base, more donors to pool from. Plus they do have Jimmy Haslam- who owns the Browns and is probably just as rich as Pickens. Both of them are gajillionaires with more money than they could ever spend in 100 lifetimes.
To put it in perspective - though the chances of either program winning a natty are about the same (i.e. damn near zero), oSu at least competes for conference championships. Tennessee hasn't even come close in a dog's age.
Pickens is one guy. Vols have bigger fan base, alumni base, more donors to pool from. Plus they do have Jimmy Haslam- who owns the Browns and is probably just as rich as Pickens. Both of them are gajillionaires with more money than they could ever spend in 100 lifetimes.Hahahahahahahaha
Tennessee is definitely a better job IMO. Still think you can win a national title there. Don't think you could probably ever do that at Oklahoma State.
HahahahahahahahaTennessee has a stadium that hold 106,000+. They've got tons of tradition. Lot of former and current NFL guys. Facilities. Play in the SEC.
On a serious note, even shitty pro teams have uber-wealthy owners. But the Browns may well be the worst franchise in all of pro sports. Not really something to be proud of.
That said, Tennessee absolutely does have a huge advantage as far as history goes. But it's been ten years since they've won their own division (think about it - Missouri won the East twice since then). Kids these days don't really care if a program won a hundred championships when their grandfathers were duking it out on the gridiron. They buy into offensive systems, uniforms, access to the NFL, etc, and a lot of non-helmet programs can offer that.
Tennessee has a stadium that hold 106,000+. They've got tons of tradition. Lot of former and current NFL guys. Facilities. Play in the SEC.We'll see how serious UT is with their next coaching hire. They need to stop with the "safe" picks and get someone splashy. If he didn't burn bridges, Kiffin would be splashy. Bryan Harsin from Boise State could be decent (he was HC at Arky State and was co-OC at Texas, so he could recruit there).
I could definitely see them being "back". All it takes is the right hire.
I mean last recruiting class they were all set to get top rated players at QB/WR- #1 QB in 2017 and the #2 WR. QB Hunter Johnson out of Indiana and WR Tee Higgins from the state of Tennessee were set to come- committed to Butch Jones. Season started to tank, Butch got put on the hot-seat- both of them flipped to Clemson.
They'll be able to recruit talent. If Butch Jones could, a real coach could.
We'll see how serious UT is with their next coaching hire. They need to stop with the "safe" picks and get someone splashy. If he didn't burn bridges, Kiffin would be splashy. Bryan Harsin from Boise State could be decent (he was HC at Arky State and was co-OC at Texas, so he could recruit there).I think Joe Moorehead would be a heck of a hire.
Tennessee has a stadium that hold 106,000+. They've got tons of tradition. Lot of former and current NFL guys. Facilities. Play in the SEC.Read recently fans talking about The Vols last Championship.Back in '98 Clemson was just another program.S.Car/N.Car/NCST also.19-20 yrs later Clemson is a perennial top 5-10 program.The other 3 have gained enough traction that local talent can stay put.Tennessee use to recruit that area quite heavily and now that vine has appeared to dry up.Miss St has shaken the bogies and Gawja is back in the fray.Simply put it's a lot harder draw now for the Vols than it was then.Sunday's meltdown may have set them back a bit also
I could definitely see them being "back". All it takes is the right hire.
They'll be able to recruit talent. If Butch Jones could, a real coach could.
same reason Jimmy Johnson left. Will never be able to over-take OU in the state. Plus the state of Oklahoma produce virtually no FBS talent. The state of Tennessee actually does believe it or not. Definitely more talent than the state of Oklahoma.Oklahoma's population is 3.9 million, compared to Tennessee's 6.6 million. I would guess that Oklahoma has about the same percentage of HS athletes good enough to play at Div 1-A as Tennessee does. Neither state produces enough Div 1-A athletes to fill the rosters of two P5 programs.
With that offense- and his history of throwing the ball- Mike Gundy had been the coach, Tennessee probably lands in-state 5* WR Tee Higgins- guy who was the #2 WR in the 2017 class to DPJ.
Tennessee is a better job at the end of the day. Not sure I'd leave though. Tennessee fans are crazy.
Failing to produce evidence of death threats cost former Florida coach Jim McElwain $5.4 million.probably should've kept his mouth shut about all them death threats.
Florida gives him a $7.5 million buyout. Was due $12.9 million.
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Lots of rumors that Herm Edwards of all people will interview for the ASU job. Just shoot me now. If he's hired I hope our fans go on a Tennessee-esque revolt too.Ask Lovie Smith if being a crappy NFL coach translates to the college game.
Lots of rumors that Herm Edwards of all people will interview for the ASU job. Just shoot me now. If he's hired I hope our fans go on a Tennessee-esque revolt too.Herm Edwards covered up child rape at Penn State
Ask Lovie Smith if being a crappy NFL coach translates to the college game.Lovie was actually a very good NFL coach. Herm on the other hand.......
Lots of rumors that Herm Edwards of all people will interview for the ASU job. Just shoot me now. If he's hired I hope our fans go on a Tennessee-esque revolt too.he is way too old and past his prime and was never a good coach to begin with. would be a terrible hire. shouldn't have fired Graham.
Lots of rumors that Herm Edwards of all people will interview for the ASU job. Just shoot me now. If he's hired I hope our fans go on a Tennessee-esque revolt too.Yeesh! Herm Edwards? Who hasn't coached in 10 years? Who hasn't coached college since the Eighties? Whose clock management is the most clueless I've ever seen?
Moorehead to Miss State. Great hire for them. Kinda shocked, thought he'd wait it out couple more years for a better opportunity.Perhaps however when McSorley/Gesicki/Barkley/Hamilton/Johnson/Sanders are gone his luster might be also.Strike while the iron is hot.
Perhaps however when McSorley/Gesicki/Barkley/Hamilton/Johnson/Sanders are gone his luster might be also.Strike while the iron is hot.Good point. Penn State will lose a lot on that offense after this season. Might make sense to go now. PSU offense will definitely take a big step back next year I think.
Gundy has turned down Tennessee. According to ESPN it was a 6 year, $42 million offer. Kinda starting to feel bad for them.I never had any beef with Tennessee. I used to have a roommate that was a huge Vols fan.
Gundy has turned down Tennessee. According to ESPN it was a 6 year, $42 million offer. Kinda starting to feel bad for them.I don't think Gundy had any intention of accepting the Tennessee job. Maybe the whole thing was a way for him to stroke his own ego.
Perhaps however when McSorley/Gesicki/Barkley/Hamilton/Johnson/Sanders are gone his luster might be also.Strike while the iron is hot.Great coordinators/coaches overcome heavy personnel losses. It's part of what being a great coach is.
Perhaps however when McSorley/Gesicki/Barkley/Hamilton/Johnson/Sanders are gone his luster might be also.Strike while the iron is hot.McSorely, Johnson and Sanders are all back (the latter two still have two years remaining), as well as the entire O-line and bringing in a potential Top 5 recruiting class and they redshirted about 20 guys this year. Really the only 'unreplaceable' guys leaving are Barkley and Gesicki. I'm not saying PSU will Ohio State/Alabama reload, but there's plenty of talent in the waiting folks, get used to it.
Good point. Penn State will lose a lot on that offense after this season. Might make sense to go now. PSU offense will definitely take a big step back next year I think.Based on what premise? Losing Gesicki and Barkley?
Think Gunner Gundy has a mullet? That's a silly name, but it's no Jim Bob Cooter.Do Florida fans deserve what Florida has become since Meyer left?
btw, Tennessee deserves this - from their AD to their fans - it's all on them. Fans' Gruden obsession, AD's teasing (more like bluffing a royal flush while holding 3 of a kind), and the fans' reaction to Schiano....
It's going to end up with them grovelling to get some middling coach AND overpaying him. Hell, where's John L. Smith?? lol
Miss. State with a great hire. Meanwhile Vols looking at Chad Morris and his 13-22 record at SMU.People were talking him as Texas A&M's #2 choice if they didn't get Jimbo. I don't get the infatuation.
People were talking him as Texas A&M's #2 choice if they didn't get Jimbo. I don't get the infatuation.People may have been... but not A&M fans. He's only tied the A&M job opening because he's an Aggie... not because he's considered a great coach. Most Aggie fans have no desire to see him on our sidelines.
Heh, saw this posted, to show how important the staff is, not just the head coach.That is some epic failure on the part of Edsall. Wow.
When Edsall left UConn for Maryland, he elected not to bring his OC (Joe Moorhead) with him, nor retain the DC Maryland already had in place (Don Brown). Instead he made two new hires.
Based on what premise? Losing Gesicki and Barkley?Really?
I actually think it's a great spot for Moorhead. Expectations aren't super high - Mullen was good but not great and transitioned to Florida. He has a solid program in place and the transition shouldn't be difficult. Plus Ole Miss is probably going to be in a tailspin for years.Great point. Fitzgerald is a good young QB that will fit what Moorehead wants to do. Ole Miss could really get hit hard by the NCAA which would make State the top program for awhile in Mississippi. Expectations are low, win 7-9 games a year he's a hero.
Yeesh! Herm Edwards? Who hasn't coached in 10 years? Who hasn't coached college since the Eighties? Whose clock management is the most clueless I've ever seen?Maybe he's thinking whomever I bring in next will look great in comparison... and be accepted by the fans as a result. ????
What is Ray Anderson thinking? Were they paperboy buddies back in the day?
And look, this AZCentral writer thinks Herm is the "right fit" because he's Ray Anderson's "logical choice!"
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/2017/11/28/asu-football-coaching-search-herm-edwards/900635001/ (https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/2017/11/28/asu-football-coaching-search-herm-edwards/900635001/)
Really wish Graham was still aboard.
I actually think it's a great spot for Moorhead. Expectations aren't super high - Mullen was good but not great and transitioned to Florida. He has a solid program in place and the transition shouldn't be difficult. Plus Ole Miss is probably going to be in a tailspin for years.I agree. Mullen didn't win all that big at Mississippi State, as is viewed by many as a great hire for Florida. The expectations there are very reasonable. He was there 9 years. Finished ranked twice. Won 10 games once. Won more than 8 games three times. How many SEC schools could you go 8-5 or worse at 2/3 of the time and be viewed as a great coach?
I don't think Gundy had any intention of accepting the Tennessee job. Maybe the whole thing was a way for him to stroke his own ego.
He's a weird guy, and he demonstrates some signs of going through a midlife crisis. The mullet is part of that. He's gone off on a rattlesnake hunt, which is where he said he was during the OU-tOSU game, in explanation for why he had no comment on it. Seems like I've read that he's gotten a Harley, but maybe the wish has become father to the thought on that.
There are a lot of rumors about his marriage, including the one that his wife has told him that he's not leaving Stillwater until the kids are out of high school. His oldest is a sophomore (IIRC) and is the QB for Stillwater High. Gunnar is his name. Gunnar Gundy.
Really?Yes really, I think you're embellishing things a bit just looking only at the surface without having a very good insight into how much talent Penn State possesses in the waiting. Everyone assumed doomsday when Godwin left early and the offense statistically was better without him.
Oh I don't know, maybe based on them losing one of the best OC's in all of college football in Joe Moorehead- the guy that came in there and really turned around what was a floundering offensive team- their leading rusher and the best RB in college football and the best RB they've had in decades in Barkley, their leading receiver in Hamilton, 3rd leading receiver in Barkley, 4th leading receiver in Geisicki, and 5th leading receiver in Thompkins.
Geisicki and Barkley are absolute match-up nightmares in the pass game and allowed them to do so much on offense because of their versatility.
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I've heard stories of Gundy changing for the weirder as well. How on a recruiting trip down to Texas he spotted one of the last operating Blockbusters (maybe THE last one) and was so transfixed he booked a hotel around the block and spent hour after hour there. The recruit he visited later in the week commented that Gundy showed up wearing a Blockbuster T-shirt. Sounds like the Gundy is starting to live in his own abstracted 1990s world. He's a Gin Blossoms fanatic too.
Sounds like Brohm to Tennessee is very close. DamnPurdue better back up the money truck if they don't want to lose their coach every time he gets six wins
I think Gundy belongs in AustinI don't think he'd be any worse than our current head coach. But right now, I don't think we're in the market. But be sure to check back at the end of next season...
I don't think he'd be any worse than our current head coach. But right now, I don't think we're in the market. But be sure to check back at the end of next season...I take it the mood in Austin is not good... is this more of "it will take more time than we thought" or more of a "we may not have the right coach"?
I don't think he'd be any worse than our current head coach. But right now, I don't think we're in the market. But be sure to check back at the end of next season...Heh, last year I was lambasted by my fellow Buckeye fans for suggesting that Herman has not yet done anything to deserve the hype.
(https://pistolsfiringblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/3R1A0744-810x540.jpg)I was going to mention this in response to Cats, but the pic is ever so much better!
losing a few players might not have set PSUs offense back next season, but the question is, what will happen to the offense if the OC is not back?they are losing more than a few players. I will be shocked if their offense doesn't take a major step back next year.
Fisher to A&M is sounding like it is more realistic than previously thought as wellthis will blow my mind if it actually happens.
Yeesh! Herm Edwards? Who hasn't coached in 10 years? Who hasn't coached college since the Eighties? Whose clock management is the most clueless I've ever seen?Herm Edwards is a Jeff Fisher away from being the NFL coach in my lifetime with the most puzzling good coaching reputation
What is Ray Anderson thinking? Were they paperboy buddies back in the day?
And look, this AZCentral writer thinks Herm is the "right fit" because he's Ray Anderson's "logical choice!"
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/2017/11/28/asu-football-coaching-search-herm-edwards/900635001/ (https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/2017/11/28/asu-football-coaching-search-herm-edwards/900635001/)
Really wish Graham was still aboard.
Herm Edwards is a Jeff Fisher away from being the NFL coach in my lifetime with the most puzzling good coaching reputationtruth.
Get out the popcorn. Purdue says he is out recruiting and hasn't talked to Tennessee. A Purdue recruit posted a picture of he and Brohm from today and said Brohm said he's not going to Tennessee.i wonder if clay friggin travis is behind this too? :96:
Heh, last year I was lambasted by my fellow Buckeye fans for suggesting that Herman has not yet done anything to deserve the hype.I was right there with you, minus the fellow Buckeye fan part.
He finished tied for 3rd/4th in his division of a mid major conference.
The Horns jumped the gun because he was able to upset the Sooners, with Houston.
From an entertainment stand point I'd love to see Miles to Knoxville.I'd love to see Les at Michigan as an assistant coach.
truth.
I really don't get it. I feel for the Arizona State fans if they really go through with this.
I'd love to see Les at Michigan as an assistant coach.Heh. He turned them down for a HC offer. He ain't going there as an assistant.
Heh. He turned them down for a HC offer. He ain't going there as an assistant.hey, you never know. he's 64. might wanna go coach at his school as an assistant as his last stop and help out rather than being the HC and having to do all the heavy lifting. could be a nice gig to go work for 5-6 comfy years be paid handsomely and then retire.
I was right there with you, minus the fellow Buckeye fan part.No coaching resumes live up to the hype. It is the nature of them.
hey, you never know. he's 64. might wanna go coach at his school as an assistant as his last stop and help out rather than being the HC and having to do all the heavy lifting. could be a nice gig to go work for 5-6 comfy years be paid handsomely and then retire.OK, but where would you stash him? His offenses at LSU were less than stellar.
McElwain interviewing with Oregon State. Why do so many AD's just go with re-treads? Why not give a young up and comer a shot to shoot some life into a program?Becuase sometimes there's an appeal in trying to build something consistent and solid. A goal in compitance rather than big swing with 1-11 downside.
Becuase sometimes there's an appeal in trying to build something consistent and solid. A goal in compitance rather than big swing with 1-11 downside.Or quits. :57:
Also, a young go-getter at Oregon State gives you 1-2 good years and moves on up.
OK, but where would you stash him? His offenses at LSU were less than stellar.His offenses were junk because he could never develop a QB or passing game despite having some excellent WR talent year in year out. His RB's & OL's were routinely very good.
His offenses were junk because he could never develop a QB or passing game despite having some excellent WR talent year in year out. His RB's & OL's were routinely very good.Well, this is probably just as much (OK, maybe not quite...) as a pipe dream as Gruden to Tennessee, but I'll go.
Didn't think that one through. I guess maybe RB's or TE's? Maybe OL's? But I really like Greg Frey. Les is a heck of a personality and a great recruiter.
Clay Travis better have eyes in the back of his head.plus there was that one time he made a tv commercial with Tony Soprano. Tony did go to Rutgers ya know.
Schiano is an Italian from Jersey...
Fox Sports' college football reporter Bruce Feldman just tweeted reports of Brohm and Tennessee deal was inaccurate. There is no deal. My god, has he turned down Tennessee? Would be a hero to the Purdue fan base if he stays instead of bolting after only 1 year.I wouldn't say anything is known at this point that says he "turned down" Tennessee.
Would look really bad for Tennessee if they keep getting turned down by everyone they talk to. They might not want to let anyone know they are talking to anybody at all and just hire the guy they like. And can get.
Well, this is probably just as much (OK, maybe not quite...) as a pipe dream as Gruden to Tennessee, but I'll go.insider over at Rivals/MgoBlog who has been pretty much right on with everything says Drevno is very likely to take another job this off-season. He had another job lined up last year and it fell through so Harbaugh kept him. Very high probability Drev is gone.
Sack Drevno and Jay. You make Frey OC/TE and bring Les in as AHC/OL/Run game coordinator and get a real RB coach.
Anyway..
I'm thinking Les could end up at Tennessee if they can't get Brohm, or at Purdue if Tennessee can get Brohm. I'd love to have Les in the B1G.
I'm thinking Les could end up at Tennessee if they can't get Brohm, or at Purdue if Tennessee can get Brohm. I'd love to have Les in the B1G.I don't want Les at Purdue. Purdue doesn't have the talent to run a Les Miles system.
I don't want Les at Purdue. Purdue doesn't have the talent to run a Les Miles system.He did pretty well at Okie State with lesser talent.
I could see him at Tennessee though.
He did pretty well at Okie State with lesser talent.yeah, 16 years ago when he was 48. He's 64. He'll be 65 when next season starts.
Tennessee meeting with Dave Doeren from NC State.....That would be a decent Plan K
Tennessee meeting with Dave Doeren from NC State.....Lots of NC State fans are hoping, from what I gather.
Lots of NC State fans are hoping, from what I gather.he keeps holding them hostage for more money, and I think they are getting sick of it. Also read he's only 15-25 in conference.
Les' scheme on offense stinks. I think for him to have a really successful program, he needs to be at a helmet or a "new-helmet" (FSU/LSU). He's a bad fit as a HC anywhere else, especially considering his age, in my opinion.I didn't know Les had an offensive scheme? Maybe a risky scheme, or eating grass, and hoping the clock doesn't hit 00:00.
The Brohm deal breakdown with Tenn (based on A RUMOR, as we all know now, there was no signed Schiano 'Memo' with Tenn) is that Tenn refused to cover the $4m buyout. If that is true, then Tennessee truly is in a twilight zone of their own creation.i think there is a coup d'etat taking place in Kville...personally, that is...
The Brohm deal breakdown with Tenn (based on A RUMOR, as we all know now, there was no signed Schiano 'Memo' with Tenn) is that Tenn refused to cover the $4m buyout. If that is true, then Tennessee truly is in a twilight zone of their own creation.According to Clay Travis [so give this about 4% credibility], Currie made Brohm an offer and he accepted, but the chancellor wouldn't sign it. So they went back to Brohm with a lower offer that he declined.
Clay Travis better have eyes in the back of his head.C'mowahn. Lemme kill'im.
Schiano is an Italian from Jersey...
According to Clay Travis [so give this about 4% credibility], Currie made Brohm an offer and he accepted, but the chancellor wouldn't sign it. So they went back to Brohm with a lower offer that he declined.That doesn't even sound plausible. That sounds like something a drunk would say to me at a bar and that he heard from a friend's aunt's brother's cousin, who cleans restrooms in the chancellor's office.
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/935962211255713792
That doesn't even sound plausible. That sounds like something a drunk would say to me at a bar and that he heard from a friend's aunt's brother's cousin, who cleans restrooms in the chancellor's office.I agree with you. No way that happened. Travis is just trying to get tweeter followers/stir up shit. He's probably just making it up. It's what he does.
I agree with you. No way that happened. Travis is just trying to get tweeter followers/stir up shit. He's probably just making it up. It's what he does.The sad thing is, there is still real journalism out there. All of these sexual assault cases, where the NYT goes and gets multiple sources and corroborating witnesses...and then 10 minutes after they break it, it's everywhere for free. What's their incentive?
The sad thing is, there is still real journalism out there. All of these sexual assault cases, where the NYT goes and gets multiple sources and corroborating witnesses...and then 10 minutes after they break it, it's everywhere for free. What's their incentive?I think his reputation- not that he ever really had one- I think most didn't even know who he was- has taken a hit nationally with his ridiciulous anti-Schiano crusade.
Then you get asshats on the radio/Twitter like Henson or Travis who just throw shit at the wall constantly and every once in a while something sticks, they can tout that, and then you can never be fully sure you can't trust them. And it's also free, so why not?
I agree with you. No way that happened. Travis is just trying to get tweeter followers/stir up shit. He's probably just making it up. It's what he does.
That doesn't even sound plausible. That sounds like something a drunk would say to me at a bar and that he heard from a friend's aunt's brother's cousin, who cleans restrooms in the chancellor's office.
i don't find it hard to believe Davenport would undermine Currie at all... even though they are 'close' friends, she's a politician/cutthroat first and foremost.if they don't want him to succeed they should make sure Brady Hoke gets that job. Tennessee football will continue to crater off a cliff with Hoke and the AD will get fired.
as i said, there is a real movement attempting to get rid of Currie... they don't want him to succeed..
Sounds like Herm Edwards to ASU is a real thing that is actually happening.Just kill me now.
Edit: This might be the weirdest coaching transition I can remember. I don't remember any ASU fans even seeming to want to get rid of Todd Graham, and now he's gone and they hire a guy who's been out of football for 9 years and has almost no college experience.
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Just kill me now.Well you can always join me and root for the Browns.Not much consolation I know.That would not only be shocking but beyond belief...almost
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Sounds like Herm Edwards to ASU is a real thing that is actually happening.Went with a coach who has impeccable quality character traits. Not sure that turns into wins though, just ask Nebraska about Riley.
Edit: This might be the weirdest coaching transition I can remember. I don't remember any ASU fans even seeming to want to get rid of Todd Graham, and now he's gone and they hire a guy who's been out of football for 9 years and has almost no college experience.
they are losing more than a few players. I will be shocked if their offense doesn't take a major step back next year.Well, considering you weren't even accurate on the players they are losing.....I guess I'll be happy when you're shocked.
No allure for A&M? Lots of money, SEC, hungry fan base, Texas recruits...I'm guessing it happens.Sounds like it might happen today. Not even finishing the regular season might be a new low. Not sure what the argument is against players playing in bowl games, and instead moving ahead to prep for their next job.
No allure for A&M? Lots of money, SEC, hungry fan base, Texas recruits...I'm guessing it happens.It's fine, but what advantage does it offer that he doesn't have at Florida State already? If FSU opens up a lot of good coaches will give it a long look, I think a longer look than they'd give A&M.
It's fine, but what advantage does it offer that he doesn't have at Florida State already? If FSU opens up a lot of good coaches will give it a long look, I think a longer look than they'd give A&M.Well.... from what I understand Fisher has been pretty open about this. He's been asking for better facilities (A&M's are superior by all accounts) and better pay for his assistants (which A&M is obviously offering).... for starters.
@iowahawkblog: CONSUMER ALERT: If you receive an unfamiliar phone call from area code 865, do NOT answer! It could be the University of Tennessee trying to trick you into accepting a job as head football coachoh that's just cruel...
@iowahawkblog: CONSUMER ALERT: If you receive an unfamiliar phone call from area code 865, do NOT answer! It could be the University of Tennessee trying to trick you into accepting a job as head football coachLMAO
Sounds like it might happen today. Not even finishing the regular season might be a new low. Not sure what the argument is against players playing in bowl games, and instead moving ahead to prep for their next job.bingo. coaches do this all the time and leave for the next job to go recruit, and hardly a word ever gets said. Coaches who get paid MILLION AND MILLIONS of dollars and don't have to go put their bodies/lives out on the line.
LMAOSiriusXM took a caller this morning that I think makes up 90% of the fan base, and I do feel bad. HE talked about how he waits all year for Vols football, and the first time in his life he couldn't wait for the season to be over, and at least knew they had already hit rock bottom...only to find out they hadn't. I truly felt bad for the guy.
I actually feel sorry for the fans. Not the idiots who were protesting and painting things on the rock about Schiano and trashing him online. The good dudes like Drew who just want to see their team win. There are probably more guys like that out there. They just aren't crazy- all you hear/see are the crazies. Doesn't mean the entire fan base is crazy. Whether he realizes it or not, Clay Travis really hurt Tennessee. If some sports radio wanna be shock jock in Tennessee with a twitter following can help incite a riot and slander you to the point where the AD/school chicken out and essentially hire then fire you- well who the hell would want that job? Other coaches see that shit show and want no part of it.
Tennessee meeting with Dave Doeren from NC State.....Pete Thamel from Yahoo reporting Doeren turned them down
Pete Thamel from Yahoo reporting Doeren turned them downOuch. So he probably just used them to get more from NC State. His record in the ACC was pretty bad. They might have dodged a bullet.
Pete Thamel from Yahoo reporting Doeren turned them downDoeren is highly regarded down here.
Also starting to feel better on my take that Tennessee (along with Nebraska and PSU) were just outside on my list of true helmet schools.PSU landed a good coach when it had to. We shall see about UNL this time around.
Kyle Whittingham is considering letting Gary Andersen back on his staff.QB coach, I assume.
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Also starting to feel better on my take that Tennessee (along with Nebraska and PSU) were just outside on my list of true helmet schools.Except PSU got the guy they wanted last coaching search....and who has already taken his name out of other coaching searches before they even happened, has put together Top 5 recruiting classes, back to back top 10 teams.....all after the (arguably) worst sanctions the NCAA has ever given out. Not sure how anyone but a 'helmet' turns it around like this in < 5 years.
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I'm not sure what rumors you're seeing. It's pretty widely reported the offer on the table is about $7.5 million/year. He's currently making $5.5 and is the 6th highest paid coach in CFB. This would make him the 3rd highest paid coach. We're not getting into the ballpark of what Saban is making, who is the highest paid.
Jimbo to A&M makes no sense to me either. Must be more to that story with his bosses. Jimbo has tried to use other job offers every year to extract more and more out of them. They might've called his bluff this time around. Good for them. Jimbo is a fine coach, but he's not worth what A&M will be paying him. A&M is probably going to make him the highest paid coach in CFB if the rumors are true. This has really hurt FSU's recruiting. They've already had 4 de-commits in the past day and there are others saying they haven't heard from the coaches in days and if Jimbo leaves they are leaving too.
Except PSU got the guy they wanted last coaching search....and who has already taken his name out of other coaching searches before they even happened, has put together Top 5 recruiting classes, back to back top 10 teams.....all after the (arguably) worst sanctions the NCAA has ever given out. Not sure how anyone but a 'helmet' turns it around like this in < 5 years.That wasn't a commentary on Nebraska or Penn State, I just threw in that they were in my group of 3 with Tennessee that is just on the outside.
I'm telling you, it's gonna be John L. Smith for one season, lol.If they go the interim for a season route it'll be Brady Hoke. Unless Hoke turns them down lol.
Feldman reporting Tennessee talking to Sumlin. Not sure I'd take that job if I was him.Tennessee, now taking Arizona State's backup plans. Wow
I'm not sure what rumors you're seeing. It's pretty widely reported the offer on the table is about $7.5 million/year. He's currently making $5.5 and is the 6th highest paid coach in CFB. This would make him the 3rd highest paid coach. We're not getting into the ballpark of what Saban is making, who is the highest paid.I heard an interview with Fisher about an hour ago on XM radio. He is not saying anything definitive, but it sounds like he is gone, IMO. The big thing mentioned though is that the facilities at FSU are apparently pretty old and out of date. FSU was dominant for so long, they kinda let the facilities slip because, well....frankly...., they didn't need to worry about them. They were getting the recruits they wanted without any trouble. They essentially, got spoiled.
Fisher has six 10-win seasons out of the 7 seasons he's been at FSU prior to this year... plus a national title. I'd say the pay is probably commensurate with what he's accomplished. If anything, he's underpaid at FSU given the current pay scale in CFB these days. For reference, Sumlin was making $5 million/year and his resume can't touch Fisher's.
That wasn't a commentary on Nebraska or Penn State, I just threw in that they were in my group of 3 with Tennessee that is just on the outside.so, 1 outa 3 ain't bad?
I heard an interview with Fisher about an hour ago on XM radio. He is not saying anything definitive, but it sounds like he is gone, IMO. The big thing mentioned though is that the facilities at FSU are apparently pretty old and out of date. FSU was dominant for so long, they kinda let the facilities slip because, well....frankly...., they didn't need to worry about them. They were getting the recruits they wanted without any trouble. They essentially, got spoiled.I think that last paragraph is a key point that can't be forgotten.
Texas A&M can throw more money, better existing facilities, and a fresh start at a coach who is only going to get 7 wins this season at most.
Also, Danny Kenel brought up an interesting point. No matter what Jimbo does at FSU, he will never get the credit that Bowden will get. Bowden MADE that program. If Jimbo were to go to aTm and bring them a national championship, he would be regarded in the same light as Bowden.
That wasn't a commentary on Nebraska or Penn State, I just threw in that they were in my group of 3 with Tennessee that is just on the outside.I think Penn State is still "helmet". They had some rough times in the transition to the B1G, especially as Paterno was getting long in the tooth. I'm sure it's hard to go from East Coast independent to just another storied program in a conference full of them. Then the sanctions hit and hurt badly, but they've recovered through that by getting a "stability" coach in O'Brien and following it up with a strong hire in Franklin.
That would be a decent Plan KThank you for tracking the inquisition.Who on this Forum will be asked to take the reigns?
so, 1 outa 3 ain't bad?Huh?
This has to be one of the weirdest offseason coaching scrums I can remember...It's been a Tempest of turn over like no other
Huh?i truly believe this; i'm not just trolling for response as i often do:
I just included Nebraska and PSU to reiterate that PSU, Nebraska and Tennessee were my #8-10 schools on my helmet list in some order, but that my list of true helmets is only 7 deep.
I could have just said, this helps reaffirm my belief that Tennessee isn't QUITE a helmet, and left it at that. There's a multitude of reasons, along with just gut feel, this debacle isn't making up my mind on it's own, it's just renforcing my already held belief.
i truly believe this; i'm not just trolling for response as i often do:I think when that discussion was going, the vast majority had Tennessee, Penn State and Nebraska in some order between #8 and #10 on their list, the only difference is only strictly you draw that line. Is is below #7 or below #10.
UT was a helmet between Fulmer and Kiffin. Kiffin's leaving them the way he did opened people's eyes- you DON'T do that to a helmet school... it's a 'destination location' and where you're expected to retire (or move on to the retirement league from, anyway).
His treatment of UT brought the notion forward, and not a little has happened to reinforce it. a LOT has.
so... you're right.
dumping Todd Graham- who by the way is a pretty good college coach despite what some people call his questionable "ethics" for Herm Edwards is baffling to me. Absolute insanity. Herm is 63 years old, he'll be 64 when next season starts, he's never been a college coach, his career winning % in the NFL at Kansas City and NYJ...wait for it.... .417% Yuck.
And now UT fans are clamoring for the administration to bring Kiffin back, the coach who basically tarnished their helmet. :smiley_confused1:Hollywood couldn't make up a story as rich as this one, sir.
I think that last paragraph is a key point that can't be forgotten.It took damn near 30 years for Alabama to really pop out of Bear's shadow, wouldn't you say? And it took a guy who's becoming almost equally as iconic (almost) to do it. Even still, they won a title in that span and still all you see are houndstooth caps at the games.
There's also some other factors which I don't think can be ignored... Namely if he moves to College Station, he's 90 minutes from Houston's medical complexes to include MD Anderson, which is one of the premiere cancer/rare disease centers in the world. I'm not sure this is an insignificant point given the health of his son.
Hollywood couldn't make up a story as rich as this one, sir.GlenGarry Glen Ross?
and this is just what's on the surface... what's under is intrigue and deception- betrayal and conspiracy.
it'll be a movie some day. :)
Nailed it right with this sentence. At both points, PSU was as close to an undesireable position as you could get in perception, yet they hit big (at least to this point) on both hires. I guess my point is, if you're not a true blueblood, I don't think you get either guy and I don't think you recover anywhere close as quickly as Penn St did.
A run of bad coaching hires might have knocked PSU out of the helmet perch, but O'Brien and Franklin were the right people at the right time.
i truly believe this; i'm not just trolling for response as i often do:Agree with this.
UT was a helmet between Fulmer and Kiffin. Kiffin's leaving them the way he did opened people's eyes- you DON'T do that to a helmet school... it's a 'destination location' and where you're expected to retire (or move on to the retirement league from, anyway).
His treatment of UT brought the notion forward, and not a little has happened to reinforce it. a LOT has.
so... you're right.
If they go the interim for a season route it'll be Brady Hoke. Unless Hoke turns them down lol.(https://media.giphy.com/media/IXehksmkGwvVm/giphy.gif)
i truly believe this; i'm not just trolling for response as i often do:2 things:
UT was a helmet between Fulmer and Kiffin. Kiffin's leaving them the way he did opened people's eyes- you DON'T do that to a helmet school... it's a 'destination location' and where you're expected to retire (or move on to the retirement league from, anyway).
His treatment of UT brought the notion forward, and not a little has happened to reinforce it. a LOT has.
so... you're right.
i said this to a friend a few days ago. tenn fans and alum and most importantly the ad need to start being real. they need to put themselves in similar shoes as bama in 03. you need someone to come in and clean up the mess. bring respect back and make you competitive. after that, reevaluate. doesn't have to be the best coach and certainly not a homerun hire. bama was reeling cause of sanctions, ut from self inflicted wounds. both needed stability and respect restored.Has UT reached out to Les Miles?
2 things:Greg McElroy is awful, but he made a similar point this morning and I totally agree. Alabama needed Shula, so they could position themselves to get Saban. Tennessee is looking for their Saban, and they need their Shula, a guy who understands the school, unites the fan base, and puts them in a position to make their home run hire. Not everyone lucks into having a alum just happen to be the best coach on the market in a year they are looking like UM with Harbaugh or Nebraska with Frost. Without the availability of those two, I'm not convinced those two searches look much different than the Tennessee search. A historically great program, way down, but with bloated expectations is just about the worst situation to walk into for the type of coach that a type of program like that would target as a Plan A
1 - tenn was, and still is, the next man out imo for helmet (along with neb and psu, i won't order them). those 3 were the only ones capable of firmly solidifying helmet status in the next 10-20 years. psu is the only one making strides to do that.
2 - can't blame kiffin or tenn for that move. each coach has a top tier school (or most) even among helmets. usc was that for kiffin. doesn't mean that school is better or whatever, just that for that coach it is "home". rarely does it come that a coach has that opportunity, but when it does, more often than not, the coach will take it. even rarer is when that opportunity comes after that coach gets a premier job. kiffin might be the only example of that.
i said this to a friend a few days ago. tenn fans and alum and most importantly the ad need to start being real. they need to put themselves in similar shoes as bama in 03. you need someone to come in and clean up the mess. bring respect back and make you competitive. after that, reevaluate. doesn't have to be the best coach and certainly not a homerun hire. bama was reeling cause of sanctions, ut from self inflicted wounds. both needed stability and respect restored.
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/zeise-is-right/2017/11/30/Todd-Graham-firing-arizona-state-herm-edwards/stories/201711300159See Catsby's post above, he details pretty much what I been hearing. But like the article you linked says, our AD is indeed delusional.
Decent read about Tood Graham. Not sure what the ASU folks thinking.
It took damn near 30 years for Alabama to really pop out of Bear's shadow, wouldn't you say? And it took a guy who's becoming almost equally as iconic (almost) to do it. Even still, they won a title in that span and still all you see are houndstooth caps at the games.Well.....what would you wear to promote Gene Stallings? A grimace? lol
In an almost odd sense, the one thing PSU will be able to do much easier than either FSU or Bama is get out of Paterno's shadow b/c of obvious reasons.
Sumlin apparently said no, so it's on to Leach!FSU will have an opening tomorrow -- so it appears. I am so relieved to see Jimbo Fisher leave. I don't like having him as the face of the program at my alma mater.
Nebraska already is a helmet IMO.If Nebraska's not a helmet, then everyone might as well just wear leather helmets.
Mike Leach would be awesome and hilarious. Still, my spidey sense is saying that the AD flew to Los Angeles to interview candidates. Tee Martin is currently in Los Angeles and it makes sense the AD would come to him because he has a game on Saturday. So I'm guessing Tee Martin.I can't recall a worse coaching search since I've been paying attention.
Oh, it can always get worse.That's terrible.
Akron fired their last coach, while he was on his way to his mother's funeral.
as far as UT reports go, this one is the funniest/strangest: It's being reported Jimmy Haslam (the seed of UT issues; owner of the Browns; owner of Flying J/Pilot; biggest single booster of UT athletics; self appointed overseer of all things) has been calling state representatives (the ones that ignorantly commented about Schiano) telling them "YOU don't choose who coaches at UT- I DO!!!".UT should tell that incompetent NFL owner where to stick it.
this UT thing is a LOT more than just an incompetent AD and Chancellor, even though that's all that's being covered. The power play going on up there is hysterical- and there isn't an end in sight.
UT should tell that incompetent NFL owner where to stick it.... but then they lose the promised 1/2 burden for the planned renovations.
I'm more generous than most, when doling out Helmet status.You don't have to do it, but I'd like to hear the reasoning behind the ones in bold, and in particular the ones in red. I'd also like to know where Southern California fits in, or doesn't, in your opinion.
Notre Dame
Big XII: Texas, Oklahoma
ACC: Florida State, Miami
SEC: (E) Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, (W) Auburn, Bama, LSU
Big Ten: OSU, PSU, Nebraska, Ttun
Just outside: aTm, Clemson, UCLA
If Nebraska's not a helmet, then everyone might as well just wear leather helmets.it's definitely a helmet, but it's slipping, in desperate need of new blood. 2 of the last 3 hires were horrendous. Bill Callahan and Mike Riley? Yuck. Pelini wasn't great by any stretch but he was solid and was superior to those other 2 guys. Scott Frost can come in and bring them that new blood. Frost would be an ace recruiter there. He played there, he knows it. He could really sell it.
You don't have to do it, but I'd like to hear the reasoning behind the ones in bold, and in particular the ones in red. I'd also like to know where Southern California fits in, or doesn't, in your opinion.Along with Michigan, OSU, and Notre Dame, USC completes the Mount Rushmore of helmets. I believe Stewart M. of SI even said as such - those four cannot be touched. Even schools like Alabama and Texas are subject to demotion.
I can't recall a worse coaching search since I've been paying attention.And as if on cue, reports that Tennessee has fired the AD. No insights though, on whether or not Fulmer has been tasked with taking over the search.
Tennessee needs to fire the AD and let Fulmer lead this search. At the very least he has credibility. The AD right now has none, zero, zilch, nada.
Along with Michigan, OSU, and Notre Dame, USC completes the Mount Rushmore of helmets. I believe Stewart M. of SI even said as such - those four cannot be touched. Even schools like Alabama and Texas are subject to demotion.I'd definitely put Alabama up there with M, OSU, ND, and USC. Those 5 are the untouchables imo.
And as if on cue, reports that Tennessee has fired the AD. No insights though, on whether or not Fulmer has been tasked with taking over the search.and this will be opportunity to see if my paragraph function works... :67:
Man I was really hoping they'd bring in Leach. I think he'd do very well there, and it would be highly entertaining to watch how he interacted with the rest of the SEC coaches/administrations.
I'd definitely put Alabama up there with M, OSU, ND, and USC. Those 5 are the untouchables imo.Now that Saban is tearing it up in T-Town, a strong case can be made for Bama.
Now that Saban is tearing it up in T-Town, a strong case can be made for Bama.Maybe. But they had way more tradition/success to begin with than Tennessee. Way more iconic of a program, even before they landed Saban. Saban tearing it up just adds to the already tremendous legacy of that program. To me those 5 programs are just iconic, pretty synonymous with college football. When you think of college football- you think of those programs.
However, before 2007, they were one more bad hire away from being Tennessee.
it's definitely a helmet, but it's slipping, in desperate need of new blood. 2 of the last 3 hires were horrendous. Bill Callahan and Mike Riley? Yuck. Pelini wasn't great by any stretch but he was solid and was superior to those other 2 guys. Scott Frost can come in and bring them that new blood. Frost would be an ace recruiter there. He played there, he knows it. He could really sell it.No doubt. Nebraska will always be a helmet to me, tho, but I agree with what you're saying.
Maybe. But they had way more tradition/success to begin with than Tennessee. Way more iconic of a program, even before they landed Saban. Saban tearing it up just adds to the already tremendous legacy of that program. To me those 5 programs are just iconic, pretty synonymous with college football. When you think of college football- you think of those programs.That is all true, but being hypothetical, let's say that the Mike Price deal actually worked out (in the sense that he actually coached for them). He'd probably be cranking out 7-10 win seasons pretty consistently for a few years until the fanbase would grow tired and want more. By the time he'd have gotten canned anyway (say, 5 or 6-ish seasons), Saban would have almost certainly been off the market by that point and Bama would have been forced to settle yet again.
Mike Leech has a young stud D coordinatorrumors are also that if Leach jumps, Wazzu is going to promote that DC to head coach.
they are currently #17 in total yards per game and #3 in passing yards allowed per game
in the PAC
rumors in Lincoln that Scott Frost is looking to this guy as a D coordinator
That is all true, but being hypothetical, let's say that the Mike Price deal actually worked out (in the sense that he actually coached for them). He'd probably be cranking out 7-10 win seasons pretty consistently for a few years until the fanbase would grow tired and want more. By the time he'd have gotten canned anyway (say, 5 or 6-ish seasons), Saban would have almost certainly been off the market by that point and Bama would have been forced to settle yet again.it's happened to every school but Ohio State. Even at USC. Notre Dame has gone through an almost uninterrupted extended rut of mediocrity for 25 years.
So it's not far-fetched to think that Bama could be mired in an extended rut of mediocrity.
and this will be opportunity to see if my paragraph function works... :67:https://twitter.com/OldTakesExposed/status/936611588735369216
Currie was set up to fail in this debacle- Fulmer IS the interim AD, and supposedly has a very big name on stand by for announcement.
the struggles in that office and all the intrigue will be available once the dust settles, but fellas- this is a saga worthy of the silver screen...
it's happened to every school but Ohio State. Even at USC. Notre Dame has gone through an almost uninterrupted extended rut of mediocrity for 25 years.ND needs to man up and become a full member of the ACC and be done with it. The lack of a conference championship game, and conference money, is only hurting them. They may no longer get preferential treatment, but they'll have the entire eastern seaboard to recruit from. They'll probably be at least in the thick of divisional championships most years.
Michigan was on the verge of absolutely cratering and being where Tennessee is at after Carr retired and the disaster that was Hoke and Rodriguez for a decade. They just happened to luck out that year they fired Hoke that Harbaugh was available and he was not only an alum, but that he grew up in Ann Arbor and his father coached for Bo, and Jim was the starting QB for Bo and probably the best QB that Bo ever had. Jim idolizes Bo. Not sure they'd have landed him otherwise. He's probably coaching another NFL team if those connections didn't run that deep.
... but then they lose the promised 1/2 burden for the planned renovations.(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP8U8r6X0AAmpSa.jpg)
the man 'bought' himself a seat at the table. he has both davenport and currie on a leash.
he's supremely competent, as you know- just look at what he's accomplished at the storied Browns.
ND needs to man up and become a full member of the ACC and be done with it. The lack of a conference championship game, and conference money, is only hurting them. They may no longer get preferential treatment, but they'll have the entire eastern seaboard to recruit from. They'll probably be at least in the thick of divisional championships most years.ND should join the B1G. Not the ACC. If the conferences are going to expand to 16 teams, ND belongs in the B1G.
As for Michigan, the jury is still out on Harbaugh. He's an upgrade over RichRod and Hoke, but probably similar to Carr right now. He's not in any immediate danger of being fired, but he could at least use a win over OSU. And he needs to beat Sparty and PSU with more consistency too. 8-4 should be a down year for him - he's too good to let this be the norm.
Tennessee already has part of the Browns' color scheme. Now all they need to do is throw in some chocolate brown in an alt-uni and masquerade as the Browns.well both football teams have the same owner: Jimmy Haslam. Mere coincidence that both programs are complete sh!t shows? I think not.
well both football teams have the same owner: Jimmy Haslam. Mere coincidence that both programs are complete sh!t shows? I think not.Yeah, I think that's the point. Wasn't he a lifelong Steelers fan, and tried to buy an interest there, and was basically told no, even though he was the highest bidder? That should tell you something.
ND should join the B1G. Not the ACC. If the conferences are going to expand to 16 teams, ND belongs in the B1G.ND fits better in the B1G geographically, but the B1G probably wants ND more than the other way around. If ND is pressured into joining a conference, they'll most likely become full ACC members. It's usually an easier conference to win, and the recruiting grounds are more fertile.
I have to laugh at people who say that about Harbaugh. He is very close to breaking through. He took over a 5-7 team, flipped it to 10-3 his first year. Would've been 11-2 if not for an absolute miracle with that Kick 6. Or Punt 6 I should say. His 2nd year they were literally inches away in OT on 4th down from finishing the regular season 11-1 and playing in the B1G CG as a play-in spot for the playoff. He's 2-1 against MSU if not for an absolute miracle and gift from the Football G-Ds on that disastrous punt play with 8 seconds left in the game. He's 2-1 against Franklin- including beating him in Happy Valley his first year taking over a 5-7 team and then a 40 point beat-down in Ann Arbor last year. No question he needs to do better against OSU and MSU.
His 3rd year he's 8-4 with 3 losses to top 10 teams- two of which were on the road- (@W, OSU, @PSU) after losing 43 seniors, 11 guys to the NFL draft, and 17 starters, and starting 3 different QB's- and suddenly the guy can't coach. He is a wayyyyyyy better coach than Lloyd Carr.
ND fits better in the B1G geographically, but the B1G probably wants ND more than the other way around. If ND is pressured into joining a conference, they'll most likely become full ACC members. It's usually an easier conference to win, and the recruiting grounds are more fertile.This.
Yeah, I think that's the point. Wasn't he a lifelong Steelers fan, and tried to buy an interest there, and was basically told no, even though he was the highest bidder? That should tell you something.do the Rooney's sell stakes in the team? Just asking, cause I really don't know. I doubt that family will ever sell that team.
https://twitter.com/OldTakesExposed/status/936611588735369216just goes to show you how full of hot air the idiots in the media are. Wow.
just goes to show you how full of hot air the idiots in the media are. Wow.Just to help you out with any potential carpel tunnel, you can convey the above with far less keystrokes.
just goes to show you how full of hot air the idiots in the media are. Wow.to be fair, he hasn't gotten a fair shake in this. his initial hire, while not spectacular, probably would have been a good hire long term.
to be fair, he hasn't gotten a fair shake in this. his initial hire, while not spectacular, probably would have been a good hire long term.same people that were loving the hire, trashing him.
schiano is a good coach. people forget his success at rutger.
same people that were loving the hire, trashing him.As do I.
I'm with you. Schiano would've been a good fit to clean that mess up. That Rutgers turnaround was not an easy job. Would Rutgers even have been invited into the B1G and be a P5 program if Schiano never showed up? I highly doubt it. They are probably not even an FBS team if he never got there. He built that thing from scratch.
gonna be fascinating to see what happens with FSU and if it affects Oregon and Nebraska at all.For stability purposes they may just want to slap the interim label on one of his coordinators, and if he ends up sucking, go all-out next offseason. My gut says Willie Taggart stays put in Eugene, for now at least.
have a feeling that FSU class could start falling apart. Already has a little bit, as they've lost 4 commits in the past 3 days and are probably going to lose more.
A&M handled this to near perfection. Started talks with Fisher back in September (allegedly).... worked the process behind the scenes throughout the season... Made the decision to let Sumlin go at the right time and has navigated this change well. Now... Fisher needs to deliver.have to hand it to A&M. They handled it like it's supposed to be. There wasn't leaks every other hour of every day of coach so and so being interviewed and then turning the job down. Waited til the end of the season to fire Sumlin, didn't go all half-cocked and fire him mid-season like Tennessee did Butch.
Tennessee still on the clock.
For stability purposes they may just want to slap the interim label on one of his coordinators, and if he ends up sucking, go all-out next offseason. My gut says Willie Taggart stays put in Eugene, for now at least.hope Willie stays there. would be a shame to see him bolt after 1 year. He turned it around to 7-5 in year 1 and might've done a little better if his starting QB didn't get injured and miss 4 or 5 games. His first true recruiting class of his own is ranked #6 in the nation right now. Would be a shame to just up and leave after one year. You can definitely win a national title at Oregon. Chip Kelly came damn close 3-4 times.
hope Willie stays there. would be a shame to see him bolt after 1 year. He turned it around to 7-5 in year 1 and might've done a little better if his starting QB didn't get injured and miss 4 or 5 games. His first true recruiting class of his own is ranked #6 in the nation right now. Would be a shame to just up and leave after one year. You can definitely win a national title at Oregon. Chip Kelly came damn close 3-4 times.Oregon certainly has the resources to put together a monster program. Willie seems to have the program back on track.
I'm so glad Florida's coaching search was boring by comparison. Yes, the immediacy of McElwain's being let go was odd, but once the season came to a close and Kelly went to UCLA (shrug, weird, okay), we got our next guy.Frost has got a big game left that I think he really wants to coach and doesn't want distractions for his players. They win against top #20 ranked Memphis team tomorrow he just capped off a perfect 12-0 season and wins the AAC title.
What is taking so long for Frost to go to Nebraska? That's super weird, imo.
Oregon certainly has the resources to put together a monster program. Willie seems to have the program back on track.Willie is recruiting like gang busters this year. His ties to Florida and the south are paying off, because he's got a bunch of kids from TX and FL in his class this year.
Oregon's problem - believe it or not - is recruiting. They do get respectable talent, but at the end of the day, they don't have the depth of an Alabama or an OSU. Their starters are every bit as good, especially on offense, but they don't necessarily have extra 4/5 star recruits waiting their turn to shine. Even their best teams aren't quite up-to-snuff defensively. They almost beat Auburn in 2010 because AU was 80% offense that year too.
I'm so glad Florida's coaching search was boring by comparison. Yes, the immediacy of McElwain's being let go was odd, but once the season came to a close and Kelly went to UCLA (shrug, weird, okay), we got our next guy.Frost has a championship game to play still. Look for an announcement on Monday.
What is taking so long for Frost to go to Nebraska? That's super weird, imo.
Per an ASU beat reporter, "[t]here's a belief that players will know/identify with Herm Edwards because of his TV role with ESPN. After talking with ASU players today, I'm not sure that's the case."Lmao. What did they think? Those kids are 18-22 years old. Herm Edwards hasn't coached a football game last since they were 8-12 years old. And it's not like he's a legendary coach that their fathers/brothers/uncles/HS coaches would tell them about. He had a .417% winning percentage in the NFL. They'd have no reason in hell to have any clue who he is.
Saw one report, 10 years, $75 million for Jimbo?would be an insane contract, but I've read that in the state of Texas it's nearly impossible for state employees to sue state institutions.
Willie is recruiting like gang busters this year. His ties to Florida and the south are paying off, because he's got a bunch of kids from TX and FL in his class this year.Good for him - now the question is, can he build a consistent Top 25 defense up? That, and as long as he keeps flirting with Top 5 recruiting classes year-in and year-out, it's probably more of a matter of when and not if Oregon wins a natty.
His class sits at #6 in the nation and #1 in the Pac12. He's got 25 commits and 14 of them are rated 4*'s. And he's still in it for a couple 5*'s and 4*'s and I'd bet he lands some of them. Even in Kelly's best years he wasn't recruiting as well as Taggart has been.
Good for him - now the question is, can he build a consistent Top 25 defense up? That, and as long as he keeps flirting with Top 5 recruiting classes year-in and year-out, it's probably more of a matter of when and not if Oregon wins a natty.recruiting is all about what you have to sell and who is selling it.
would be an insane contract, but I've read that in the state of Texas it's nearly impossible for state employees to sue state institutions.It's not impossible... but it's difficult... and damages are capped by state law.
They can basically throw around huge dollar amounts and cancel a contract without having to pay a dime. If Fisher isn't up to snuff, they can just fire him and he'll never collect a dime. Like that huge buyout that Sumlin is suppose to have coming to him- A&M will just not pay him and then he'll try and sue them and get nowhere.
Saw one report, 10 years, $75 million for Jimbo?damn thats a lot
Fat Phil named interim AD at Tennessee. Does this mean he's just going to hire one of his former players in Tee Martin?that's not the name i hear.. i'm hearing it's one of three, and has been. interesting times on the hill.
recruiting is all about what you have to sell and who is selling it.Exactly. It's easier for a black coach that's not in the South or East Coast to recruit there than it is for a non-black coach. It's even easier if he has roots there.
Taggart is a young, energetic coach. Also he's black. Most of the players are black. Just facts. They relate to him very well. Oregon is a great program with top notch facilities and stadium and fan support. They are in a P5 conference and one of the top programs in that conference. As long as they win consistently and are in the top 25 winning at least 8-9 and having years where they are 10-11+ wins and in the playoff hunt- he'll be recruiting top classes year in year out.
per former ESPN college football reporter Brett McMurphy, Tennessee AD tried to hire Mike Leach, but university officials wouldn't sign off on it. Might've had something to do with Leach trying to sue his former employer and complaining on twitter how he wasn't allowed to sue them because of Texas state laws.Are the university officials the academic types that just don't want to have a football program at all? Because I'm having a lot of trouble trying to understand how much of a charlie foxtrot this has been, and how they've let it happen.
Leach would've been a really solid hire considering the side show circus freak this thing has been.
Are the university officials the academic types that just don't want to have a football program at all? Because I'm having a lot of trouble trying to understand how much of a charlie foxtrot this has been, and how they've let it happen.hey, I'm with you Tennessee is beyond a dumpster fire. I've never seen anything like it.
It's clear to basically anyone who followed the situation that what happened to Leach was a hatchet job. And that a good portion of the lawsuit was him trying to recover money that he was contractually owed for his coaching duties PRIOR to getting fired (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/01/report-tech-owes-leach-17-million-in-guaranteed-09-money/).
It almost seems like the administration is basically saying "well, we're shady af and we know it, so we know that when we eventually screw him over, we don't want him suing us." Because any fair reading of the situation doesn't make Leach look overly litigious, it makes him look like someone who was actually wronged and refused to take it lying down lest it ruin his reputation as an admission of guilt.
Saw one report, 10 years, $75 million for Jimbo?Just heard that,the wheels have fallen of the cart in our culture.I almost don't want to watch anymore perhaps I'm part of the problem - enabler I am.The day is not far off when I'll just be cupping my hand to my ear listening to a Philco Radio.
you guys are having a hay day, i get it.Maybe some. I feel bad for the true fans (you being one).
ND fits better in the B1G geographically, but the B1G probably wants ND more than the other way around. If ND is pressured into joining a conference, they'll most likely become full ACC members. It's usually an easier conference to win, and the recruiting grounds are more fertile.Believe me if the East Coast was planted next to that Diva Charade they'd loathe the self absorbed idjits
Make no mistake, I was not knocking Harbaugh. He's realistically the best coach UM can get, and he's got the potential to do something special, but he really hasn't proven anything yet (other than what he did at Stanford and San Fran)
damn thats a lotIs it though? Seems like commensurate pay for a guy who has been very successful and won a national championship.
Maybe some. I feel bad for the true fans (you being one).as a rival, it's been fun and funny. as a fan of cfb and a fan of a team that's been through similar times, i know it sucks and hurt for the fans who suffer through it.
Is it though? Seems like commensurate pay for a guy who has been very successful and won a national championship.Hey, if you got it, spend it.
Who is FSU going after?I've read Willie Taggart and Justin Fuente are their top candidates
Not that this has traction, but I heard that James Franklin was a target.
With Moorhead gone, and the leaving of offensive weapons, it's possible.
People try telling me Eli Manning is a HoF QB because he's won 2 Super Bowls. I laugh at those people. Eli has never been anything but a solid, above average QB. He belongs nowhere near the HoF.That's just like your opinion man.Just win baby and he did on the biggest stage.He was hot when he had to be
That's just like your opinion man.Just win baby and he did on the biggest stage.He was hot when he had to beEh. He's obviously a good QB. At times he could really be a heckuva QB. I don't get the people that trash him. I don't get the people that praise him either though. He just is what he is. An above average, good QB. Hall of Fame should only be reserved for the absolute elite. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers. I'd even throw Phillip Rivers in there. He was in the same draft as Ben and Eli and if you're talking about just their abilities as individual players- Rivers was better than either of them, playing for a joke of an organization.
Who is FSU going after?I'd rather FSU targets Franklin and not Frost.
Not that this has traction, but I heard that James Franklin was a target.
With Moorhead gone, and the leaving of offensive weapons, it's possible.
I'd rather FSU targets Franklin and not Frost.Hearing Frost to Nebraska tomorrow.
Anyone but Frost
Hearing Frost to Nebraska tomorrow.even Oregon reporters think he's going to FSU.
Taggart to FSU.
even Oregon reporters think he's going to FSU.hopefully, Frost doesn't get a call from Oregon
If only Chip Kelly waited a couple more weeks....he'd been able to go home.
Eh. He's obviously a good QB. At times he could really be a heckuva QB. I don't get the people that trash him. I don't get the people that praise him either though. He just is what he is. An above average, good QB. Hall of Fame should only be reserved for the absolute elite. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers. I'd even throw Phillip Rivers in there. He was in the same draft as Ben and Eli and if you're talking about just their abilities as individual players- Rivers was better than either of them, playing for a joke of an organization.Yeah, for the longest time people were talking about "Well Peyton Manning hasn't won a Super Bowl." Well of course he didn't [until he did, of course]. He was playing for a garbage organization that couldn't surround him with the supporting cast to win a Super Bowl.
Congrats Nebraska. You got you're guy and beat a number of other brand schools along the way.I would call the Frost Hire the best in both categories.
IMO:
Other than the Texas A&M hire, getting Frost was the best successful coaching pursuit.
And other than the UCLA hire, Frost is the best candidate from the standpoint of a coaching fit.
Oregon will be kinda screwed if Taggart jumps to FSU. I don't know who they hire.What if Gus goes home to Arkansas? What the hell would Auburn do?
What if Gus goes home to Arkansas? What the hell would Auburn do?he'd be kinda crazy to leave Auburn for Arkansas.
I'm just a northerner so I don't understand this whole SEC politics thing. Can someone explain to me why just because an idiot like Jimmy Haslam trickle downed a few bucks to the athletic dept that he now runs the Tenneesee football program? The SEC has a 1 Billion dollar TV contract why do schools keep kissing the behinds of these idiots?I don't think it's an SEC thing. UM hired a major donor who had nearly ruined the company he ran to he AD, and it went predictably horribly.
Congrats to the Huskers for getting Frost to come home. Always liked the dude even if he did break my Sooner heart. :88:Yep. Corngrats to the Huskers!
he'd be kinda crazy to leave Auburn for Arkansas.I think Gus is from there though. BB just wanted to take a stab at building his own program.
But BERT left Wisconsin for Arkansas, so hey you never know.
I think Gus is from there though. BB just wanted to take a stab at building his own program.man how fricken poetic would that be if Wisconsin gets into the playoff and wins a national title the year he's fired at Arkansas. LMAO.
BB also told his UW players he was leaving so he could have a better chance to win an MNC - oops - I wonder if he'll watch the Badgers tonight...
CORNGRATS HUSKERS!It's crazy how many good/great coaches call the BIG home now.With Brohm/Fleck and now Frost.One of those is not like the others...
can't make this up....ESPN on air broke the story about Frost to Nebraska and live on tv one of the anchors said credit "our very own Brett McMurphy for breaking this story!"Are you f'ing kidding me?
McMurphy did break the story on his twitter acct and on his own website he started. Why did he break that story on his twitter acct and his website? Because ESPN fired McMurphy last year. Lol.
CORNGRATS HUSKERS!It's crazy how many good/great coaches call the BIG home now.With Brohm/Fleck and now Frost.yeah the coaching ranks in the B1G is insane right now.
even Oregon reporters think he's going to FSU.He's got it made at UCLA.
If only Chip Kelly waited a couple more weeks....he'd been able to go home.
Would Oregon dare hire Jim Leavitt?If they're smart they would.
yeah the coaching ranks in the B1G is insane right now.we can only hope
If Frost is the real deal- which many think he is- might not be a better collection of coaching talent than the B1G.
yeah the coaching ranks in the B1G is insane right now.Frost should be good, but he did just give up 55 points to Memphis.....so let's not build a statue of him just yet.
If Frost is the real deal- which many think he is- might not be a better collection of coaching talent than the B1G.
Would Oregon dare hire Jim Leavitt?This is all kinda trippy - true story......
Frost should be good, but he did just give up 55 points to Memphis.....so let's not build a statue of him just yet.Hey I'm with you. And I've said as much in the past.
No shot at the job and don't know if he's ready or a fit but I think Leohnard at Wisconsin could kill it at FSU. His youth, energy, intensity, defensive scheme and NFL experience with the athletes like Derwin James and Levontae Taylor could be pretty scary man.This is only his 2nd year as a coach and first as a DC. I know he did a lot of coaching in the NFL as a player, but still. He needs time.
This is only his 2nd year as a coach and first as a DC. I know he did a lot of coaching in the NFL as a player, but still. He needs time.yeah I don't think he's ready but he's gonna be a head coach one day. bank on it.
Are you f'ing kidding me?wish I was. ESPN at it's finest though....
yeah I don't think he's ready but he's gonna be a head coach one day. bank on it.He's got young kids in Madison. I don't think he'll leave anytime soon - much like Chryst stayed until it was time.
wish I was. ESPN at it's finest though....F ESecPN. Just F 'em.
https://nypost.com/2017/12/03/espn-forgets-it-laid-off-star-reporter/ (https://nypost.com/2017/12/03/espn-forgets-it-laid-off-star-reporter/)
Arizona State hires Herm Edwards. WTF...Out with the trash, in with the class.
Arizona State hires Herm Edwards. WTF...I'm far from being a Graham fan, but you don't fire Graham to hire this guy. Jeez.
Sounds like Taggert to FSU is basically a done deal, and he's trying to bring Leavitt with him.Damn. Who does Oregon go after now?
Damn. Who does Oregon go after now?I think USF should be nervous again..
I think USF should be nervous again..Charlie Strong was a failure at Texas. I don't think Oregon will go after him.
The texts/screen shots and hearsay over this Herm / ASU press conference sound very....interesting. I guess the AD first spent 15 minutes going on about the program, then introduced Herm's Agent, who touted Herm like a WWF manager. Next up was Herm, and he touted his HS all star team coaching, taking credit for Jameis Winston, called Darren Woodson 'Rod Woodson', declared his intentions to put up points on the scoreboard of life, and called college football our 'farm league'. I'm not sure he knows the names of his OC/DC.Absolutely bizarre.
Texas was/is in a tough spot.Does he really though? He coached at Louisville for 4 years, went 7-6 and 7-6, then didn't break through until his last two years when it became the AAC.
Strong has a pretty good track record aside from that stop.
The texts/screen shots and hearsay over this Herm / ASU press conference sound very....interesting. I guess the AD first spent 15 minutes going on about the program, then introduced Herm's Agent, who touted Herm like a WWF manager. Next up was Herm, and he touted his HS all star team coaching, taking credit for Jameis Winston, called Darren Woodson 'Rod Woodson', declared his intentions to put up points on the scoreboard of life, and called college football our 'farm league'. I'm not sure he knows the names of his OC/DC.Don't forget it also appeared he didn't know ASU are the Sun Devils
Arizona State hires Herm Edwards. WTF...
Absolutely bizarre.This might be the worst hire, initially speaking, I've ever seen.
And has a predictable ending. Herm Edwards will more than likely be a disaster for them.
Out with the trash, in with the class.Man I wish we had that eye roll/hand wanking emoticon from the previous board.
Yeah, I’m not super optimistic about this at all. At least Edwards has made one smart move so far and that’s announcing that he will be retaining the entire offensive staff. The improvement they made from 2016 to 2017 has been great and it will help not to force the offense to learn yet another new offensive system.
Also, there's this: the 6 most bizzare moments of the Herm Edwards presser. I feel relly sorry for ASU fans. They don't deserve this. Graham was a good coach. That AD should be burned at the stake.
https://247sports.com/Bolt/Herm-Edwards-introductory-Arizona-State-press-conference-The-6-most-bizarre-quotes-111728307 (https://247sports.com/Bolt/Herm-Edwards-introductory-Arizona-State-press-conference-The-6-most-bizarre-quotes-111728307)
BREAKING #Oregon (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Oregon?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)’s Willie Taggart is expected to become the next head coach at #FSU (https://twitter.com/hashtag/FSU?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw), source tell me.this leaves Oregon scrambling to find a coach. Hey, Tim Drevno is available if they are looking for another Harbaugh disciple to replace the one they just lost to FSU.
— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) December 5, 2017 (https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/938146589922811905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Kudos to Sun Devil nation for not accusing Herm of being a child rapist in order to get him out of there.they should've accused him of being old and senile. that press conference makes me think that just might be the case.
ESPN reporting it as official now. Taggart to FSU. I don't like it. One season then bail? Shades of Lane Kiffen to me.Yeah, shady.
lotta smoke that Georgia DC Mel Tucker will be offered the Tennessee job by Fulmer.That will not end well.
ESPN reporting it as official now. Taggart to FSU. I don't like it. One season then bail? Shades of Lane Kiffen to me.Don't give two shytes about Taggart but he is originally from FLA.In his defense he couldn't foresee things unfolding the way they did.A position like FSU doesn't come open very often Mia/Fla gigs were just recently filled then Fisher bolts.Who saw that coming 4-5 yrs removed from him & crablegs grabbing the hardware.Prolly intersted in 1 of the 3 being a Fla Guy.Strike while the Iron is hot for all we know it could have been his ultimate destination
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21679513/willie-taggart-leaving-oregon-take-florida-state-coaching-job (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21679513/willie-taggart-leaving-oregon-take-florida-state-coaching-job)
lotta smoke that Georgia DC Mel Tucker will be offered the Tennessee job by Fulmer.A former OSU D-Coordinator with a resume that pales in comparison to that of Schiano?
and it's crazy, but Mel might be just the guy for the jobtrue.
ya never know until 4 or 5 years down the road
former Clemson OC and SMU head coach Chad Morris to Arkansas. He was 14-22 overall the last 3 years at SMU. 8-16 in the AAC.It's not exactly a buyer's market for coaches, given the circumstances Arkansas did ok here.
Not sure that's really an upgrade over BERT.
gotta be 4 coaches in the MAC better than thatNot really. Are people really this incapable of looking up what a dumpster fire SMU was before he got there?
Speaking of SMU, June Jones had a pretty good year in the CFL.The CFL coaching is so bad they make Mark Trestman look like a good coach.
He took over a bumbling 0-8 team mid-season, and lead them to a 6-4 finish with a few close losses mixed in.
Damn near lead them to the Playoffs.
The CFL coaching is so bad they make Mark Trestman look like a good coach.Trestman is an outstanding coach at that level.
where's the dislike buttonWe don't have that here. This is a safe space.
Viking's fan wanting the option
I don't think Michigan fans turn on Harbaugh, even if he goes 0-10 vs OSU, 1-9 vs Sparty, and 0-7 vs ND in his first ten years.I think IF things don't improve, he'd go back to the NFL before it got to a point where the fan base would turn on him.
i read, and it seems obvious i guess to most but was a new insight to me, all of this rotation- especially in the SEC, is trickle down for the Saban effect- but not in the obvious most often spoken way.Honestly, I was thinking along the same lines. Saban has Alabama rolling as a well-oiled machine. He has "the process" in place, and even if he drops from 11-1 every year to a few 10-2 outings, it doesn't look likely he'll drop much beyond that.
there seems to be an expectation Saban is bouncing in 3~5 years. he's stacked enough right this second that nobody is going to be able to consitently and truly compete/contend for those three, and possibly four- while it's expected he won't slip in the remaining 1/2 if he stays five more.
This might be the worst hire, initially speaking, I've ever seen.
I think Chad Morris is going to do good things at Arkansas. I really like that hire for them. The Texas connections alone are reason to be optimistic. His pedigree I great and he commands respect. This is a hire for the long haul - the one that involves Saban not being around forever. When that happens the SEC-W is up for grabs.well the thing is, BERT had a ton of success at Wisconsin. So the expectations when Arkansas hired him was for him to have that same kind of success within 5 years. Problem is, after starting of 3-9 in year one he went 4-8 in year five.
I'm no longer sure Bielema is/was built to last.
I think this guy is.
well the thing is, BERT had a ton of success at Wisconsin. So the expectations when Arkansas hired him was for him to have that same kind of success within 5 years. Problem is, after starting of 3-9 in year one he went 4-8 in year five.Bielema had great success at Wisconsin. He was known as a great recruiter at Iowa, at KSU, and at Wisconsin as an assistant, and had a great record at Wisconsin. What is it about the Wisconsin job that makes every coach since Alvarez successful?
Expectations have been re-set because of the disaster that was BERT. And the new guy isn't coming in with the coaching record or rep BERT had when he got that job. Morris was an OC and has only ever been a head coach for 3 years and has a losing record. BERT was a head coach at Wisconsin for 7 years and won 3 conference championships in a P5 conference and was 68-24 and he averaged almost 10 wins a year.
I think Arkansas was actually pretty patient with BERT. He just couldn't deliver the goods. If Morris starts out year one 3-9 and finishes year five 4-8 and does very little in-between those years like BERT, he'll get fired too.
I'm no longer sure Bielema is/was built to last.If he doesn't knock off the fried balogna/bacon sandwiches and Whipped cream & caramel smoothies he won't last
Bielema had great success at Wisconsin. He was known as a great recruiter at Iowa, at KSU, and at Wisconsin as an assistant, and had a great record at Wisconsin. What is it about the Wisconsin job that makes every coach since Alvarez successful?One of them was on a train to disaster, so I wouldn't go that far. Without Aranda that team is a train wreck. I posted this article in the Wisconsin thread:
And, more importantly to this thread, where does Bielema go next, and as a head coach, or assistant?
Jeremy Pruitt is UT's new HC.Don't think anybody could take him this go round after the Tennessee debacle. Not sure he was interested in taking a job this off-season after that mess. Pretty obvious that he could've had a head coaching job at other places over the past couple years, he was holding out for a bigger job like a Tennesse.
he's a better selection than the polarizing and 'questionable ethics in coaching style' Schiano that tOSU are so redassed nobody (UT) would take off their hands (if he was SOOO great, he'd have been plucked by someone else in this rotation), but his measurable performance is similar (w/o the tales of idiocy personality disorder that tagged along behind Schiano)...
I'm not sold he is the solution to righting the ship, but..... he IS the new HC, so... time to rally behind him.
I for one am glad that UT made Schiano untouchable, and that IU did the same to Wilson.not sure any team has a better pair of co-ordinators than Ohio State. Both of those guys are over-qualified to be co-ordinators and should be head coaches somewhere else.
Both are likely to stay put for the long haul.
not sure any team has a better pair of co-ordinators than Ohio State. Both of those guys are over-qualified to be co-ordinators and should be head coaches somewhere else.Agreed.
Mike Riley back to Oregon St (officially as an "Assistant Head Coach")ok that's just weird as hell.
Yeah.. no thanks. I'll take the losses without the baggage - BUT - I'm not convinced that Schiano really HAS baggage. We all know Wilson does.No one knows what Schiano really saw or knew about Sandusky, BUT Schiano did work with Sandusky and on his staff for 4 or 5 years. It would be hard for me to think Schiano had absolutely NO knowledge od what was going on. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I understand others such as Tennessee not willing to take the chance.
Mike Riley back to Oregon St (officially as an "Assistant Head Coach")doesn't surprise me
Oregon promoting OC Mario Cristobal (who was head coach at FIU from 2007-12) from interim to head coachHa, true
Bobby Knight would disagree.People other than him got fired/pushed out over what happened there and how it was handled.
People other than him got fired/pushed out over what happened there and how it was handled.And I don't recall Bobby Knight giving up salary he was owed in leaving. Wilson IIRC did. You don't do that without some agreement to stay silent.
That was also almost 20 years ago. Time has changed the "rules".
Ha, trueyeah I have a hard time seeing that one working out for Oregon.
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/939172012412604420
yeah I have a hard time seeing that one working out for Oregon.Mario turned around FIU and they canned him after one down year.Was Bama's oline coach for 2-3 seasons and a evidently a good recruiter.That is what is needed in Autzen could work out
Mario turned around FIU and they canned him after one down year.Was Bama's oline coach for 2-3 seasons and a evidently a good recruiter.That is what is needed in Autzen could work out
It is interesting to live in this Indy market in a post-Bobby Knight era, as that is a topic that has such deep wounds for a number of people. Some people never want to talk about it again, others dig in and want to keep fighting it, others beg and plead to bring Bobby back into the fold in some way. Obviously Knight has been approached many many times and wants none of it. Some thought he would've come back for the anniversary of the last perfect record basketball season. Nope. He still casts a shadow around here, partly because he does make appearances at events. I actually went to one of his talks once as a guest of a friend.I wish they would find a way to bring him back in, but, as I'm sure you know, he's pretty stubborn.
Florida has seven FBS programs, and the coach with the most longevity of the bunch is Mark Richt.That's crazy.
talk about 7 crappy jobsThey're great jobs (at least UF, FSU, and Miami are) from a certain point of view (pay, prestige, recruiting, etc). Unfortunately they're all pressure cookers and if you're not winning yesterday, you're not doing your job and could find yourself looking for a new job in less than 3 years.
much better to take a shot rowing your boat in Minneapolis
https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/938155419788369920Deja vu?
ASU's defensive coordinator Phil Bennett steps down for "personal and health" reasons. Was offered a job on Herm's staff, but is moving on. He was brought in by Todd Graham in 2014 mostly because he was in agreement with running their blitz-aggressive defense which most ASU fans wanted to see moved on from anyway. If one of the strategies of the Herm hire was to keep assistants, the main target was keeping the OC Billy Napier.You're confusing Bennett with Keith Patterson. Bennett was only at ASU for this past season. He's definitely a good DC, maybe not "elite" but absolutely improved ASU's D from 2016 to 2017.
Mario turned around FIU and they canned him after one down year.Was Bama's oline coach for 2-3 seasons and a evidently a good recruiter.That is what is needed in Autzen could work outcristobal is a fantastic recruiter and good coach too. only thing i don't like is he is a zone blocking scheme. bama was at it's best in man blocking scheme. but to be fair to cristobal we were moving to a more spread/zone read offense for which the zone blocking is designed. and can't deny the success we've had with it, i just prefer the pro style, man blocking style.
You're confusing Bennett with Keith Patterson. Bennett was only at ASU for this past season. He's definitely a good DC, maybe not "elite" but absolutely improved ASU's D from 2016 to 2017.Yes, I overlapped the two. But now Billy Napier is leaving! To coach Louisiana. For not that much of a pay raise.
But he's old and still a Texan through and through and it's understandable why he decided not to stick around. He's probably gonna need neck and knee surgery in the off season then see what jobs he can get for the 2019 season, probably close to home (Texas) as possible.
Apparently the Kent St coaching search is a total clown show.It's one thing to go from a history of success at one level to try to go up to the next [more competitive] level, fail, and drop back down.
Not sure why they don't just hire Hazell back.
It's one thing to go from a history of success at one level to try to go up to the next [more competitive] level, fail, and drop back down.Ideally, sure. But nobody else wants the job.
But he didn't have a history of success at Kent State. He had only two years at HC. Yes, those two years were great, but that's not enough body of work to welcome him back with open arms.
If he'd been good for 5-10 years, then had trouble in the B1G, sure, bring him back. But a mere 2 years of success in the MAC and 4 years of total and complete inability to field a competitive team isn't enough history to justify bringing him back.
You're confusing Bennett with Keith Patterson. Bennett was only at ASU for this past season. He's definitely a good DC, maybe not "elite" but absolutely improved ASU's D from 2016 to 2017.He's definitely too old for this shit
But he's old and still a Texan through and through and it's understandable why he decided not to stick around. He's probably gonna need neck and knee surgery in the off season then see what jobs he can get for the 2019 season, probably close to home (Texas) as possible.
It's one thing to go from a history of success at one level to try to go up to the next [more competitive] level, fail, and drop back down.He also had only one good year. He was 5-7, then 11-3. And that team lost the conference title to an awesome NIU squad.
But he didn't have a history of success at Kent State. He had only two years at HC. Yes, those two years were great, but that's not enough body of work to welcome him back with open arms.
If he'd been good for 5-10 years, then had trouble in the B1G, sure, bring him back. But a mere 2 years of success in the MAC and 4 years of total and complete inability to field a competitive team isn't enough history to justify bringing him back.
He also had only one good year. He was 5-7, then 11-3. And that team lost the conference title to an awesome NIU squad.Yeah, Kent is definitely the worst D1 FB program in Ohio, even including Youngstown State.
But that is a program that's been above .500 nine times EVER. That 11-win season was the only winning one since 2001.
Yeah, Kent is definitely the worst D1 FB program in Ohio, even including Youngstown State.YSU has a solid coach now
Ohio U was arguably worse in the pre-Solich era, but he's been there for a pretty long time at this point and generally finishes above .500.
YSU has a solid coach now3rd behind Bill Hess (1958-77) with 108 and Don Peden (1924-46) with 121.
Frankie is 96-71 at Ohio - 2-6 in bowls
I think Frankie might have more wins at Ohio than any other coach
3rd behind Bill Hess (1958-77) with 108 and Don Peden (1924-46) with 121.Didn't even know about the BAA.
Peden won 6 BAA titles (pre-cursor to the MAC), and Hess won 4 MAC titles. That's the omission on Solich's resume, 0-4 in MAC title games.
Agree about the fit, but I think Kiffin is inherently bound for greater things, and in 2-3 years.Purdue is set so long as Brohm sticks. And he just might. Maryland looks to be in pretty good shape.
Imagine him at say Missouri or Oregon or Purdue or Maryland or UNC.
I'd bet that Brohm will be gone if he has major success there. If he wins 10+ games and wins the West, he's gone. LSU would go after him when they inevitably fire Orgeron. Could see Bama going after him if Saban retires, which I think is going to happen sooner than people expect. I think it'll be really hard to keep him if he really breaks through.Everything I understand about Brohm makes me think he won't just bolt for the first "big job" that wants him. He doesn't seem to be the sort that's driven by money or status as much. As folks have pointed out, at least earlier this year he was still driving his old 2005 [or so] Honda Accord. I think there are reasons he chose to take the job in West Lafayette and those reasons make me think that he's not going to leave for fickle reasons. Heck, he even reached out and spoke to Danny Hope (who we fired) before taking the job, and said that was talking to Hope was one of the reasons he decided to come to Purdue, as Hope (again who we fired, somewhat unceremoniously) had nice things to say. He seems to have a good relationship with Bobinski and believes that he's going to get the support he needs to build something at Purdue.
Agree about the fit, but I think Kiffin is inherently bound for greater things, and in 2-3 years.I can't see Kiffin anyplace that isn't warm where he can golf year round...
Imagine him at say Missouri or Oregon or Purdue or Maryland or UNC.
Wow, sounds like LSU and Matt Canada are splitting up.If Jim had half a brain he'd dump Drevno and Pep Hamilton's asses right now, promote Greg Frey to full OL coach and give him a pay bump to keep him away from FSU, then hire Canada and Dan Enos as Co-Oc's and let Canada coach QB's and Enos RB's.
I would pay whatever he wants
If Jim had half a brain he'd dump Drevno and Pep Hamilton's asses right now, promote Greg Frey to full OL coach and give him a pay bump to keep him away from FSU, then hire Canada and Dan Enos as Co-Oc's and let Canada coach QB's and Enos RB's.I think that would be an ideal scenario for Michigan, but I also don't think Enos is going anywhere without playcalling duties. It's EASILY his biggest weakness. He's a good developer of talent, and he'd reverse the in-state recruiting trend against Michigan that started when Wheatley left, but I don't think he'd go there to not call plays. And you obviously want Canada calling the plays. Canada as OC would be the best hire UM has made in forever, better even than Harbaugh as head coach.
Can't believe LSU is stupid enough to let Canada go.
Deion has HS coaching experience, but does he have anything else? It seems to me that the biggest stars don't become the best coaches.. it is the support guys/gals or those who sat on the bench at high levels that can translate and teach. Those stars struggle with that bridge.there is a lot of truth in that. a lot of times incredible athletes like that don't make the best coaches.
I think that would be an ideal scenario for Michigan, but I also don't think Enos is going anywhere without playcalling duties. It's EASILY his biggest weakness. He's a good developer of talent, and he'd reverse the in-state recruiting trend against Michigan that started when Wheatley left, but I don't think he'd go there to not call plays. And you obviously want Canada calling the plays. Canada as OC would be the best hire UM has made in forever, better even than Harbaugh as head coach.well there's been a lot of smoke that Enos and Harbaugh are close to a deal, and it's not for an OC position. We'll find out one way or the other after the bowl season.
I can't say I'd agree with Canada as OC would be a better hire than Harbaugh as head coach, that's just nonsense imo.I think Matt Canada is the best OC in the nation. I do not think Harbaugh is the best HC in the nation, or even particularly close.
Trying to think about in each sport, who was the best player that also became at least a very good coach?I think Jim Harbaugh would have to be in that discussion as well. He didn't win a Heisman like Spurrier but he finished 3rd in the Heisman voting two years in a row, was a 1st Team All-American QB and was also a 1st round NFL draft pick, and he was a significantly better NFL QB and NFL Coach than Spurrier. Spurrier was horrible in the NFL both stints as a player and coach.
For college football, Spurrier has to be the high bar right?
I think Matt Canada is the best OC in the nation. I do not think Harbaugh is the best HC in the nation, or even particularly close.I wouldn't say Canada is the best OC in the nation. Among the best, sure. The best? That's hard to say.
I wouldn't say Canada is the best OC in the nation. Among the best, sure. The best? That's hard to say.He's possibly a top 10 coach, a very, very good coach, but I certainly wouldn't say he's a top 5 coach. He also has an NFL pedigree, which is why the NFL wants him.
An OC isn't as important to a program as a head coach. And Harbaugh is absolutely among the very best HC's in the nation. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
If the guy hit the open market he'd be the #1 candidate in college for the NFL to poach. Why do you think they pay him as much as they do? To keep him away from the NFL.
Wow, sounds like LSU and Matt Canada are splitting up.Wouldn't go that far as they are all vastly over paid.LSU should let go of Easy Ed should call him Special Ed.Don't know what MC is guaranteed but I think the Ogre is at 12 million-that's should land some one in prison
I would pay whatever he wants
Joe Torre probably has the edge in MLB over anybody else*. Leo Duroucher, Stengel, Bruce Bochy are amongst the several 'decent' players, very good managers. Of course then there are guys like Ty Cobb, Nap Lajoie, Ted Williams, etc. who were inner circle all-time greats, but average to mediocre managers. Most didn't manage that long. Lots of guys like Dusty Baker, Frank Robinson, Harvey Kuenn, who played very good to great careers, and admirable tenures as managers. The rest of the elite managers, were basically minor league scrubs, who might've gotten cups of coffee in the Show (W. Alston, Connie Mack, Sparky, LaRussa, Lasorda)If Donnie Baseball could get over the hump and bring home a WS title, he'd be in the discussion as well. At his peak, he was a HOF-caliber player but injuries shortened an otherwise brilliant playing career. He's an above-average manager but just can't seem to get over the hump - he has yet to advance to the World Series, much less win it. I'm guessing a "personality clash" was a big factor in Mattingly leaving LA, but it's easier to win there than it is in Miami. Had he stayed with the Dodgers for one more season, he could have gone back to New York. I think he'd kill it there.
* Would need to probably separate players from managers, versus the player/manager, otherwise you'd have to consider 19th Century/early 20th Century guys like: Cap Anson, John McGraw Frank Chance, and a few others.
Yeah, they came after Jim Leonhard and were turned away. The FSU fans were pretty much asshats on the Badger boards during that one. I'm sure MSU boards will get the same treatment. You know, your "school" can't compare to FSU and all that crap...Barnett will get a deserved pay raise out of it. He was around $450 this year, Leonhard was at $600k. FSU was paying $850k last year
aTm is going hard after Dave Aranda right now? One of the LSU beat guys is saying they are talking about $3Mil/year. That's hard. Holy crap.
aTm must be its own bank and have its own ATM machines.
Aranda staying in the Bayou.Aranda.. 4 years, $10 Mil. I guess LSU is a bank too, with its own aTm.
Rumor is Don Brown is target #2
Aranda.. 4 years, $10 Mil. I guess LSU is a bank too, with its own aTm.this is the start... the start of asst coaches having contracts that are no longer tied to the HC. Changing staffs will become even more expensive, and maybe that is for the best. Good coordinators will stay as asst. and not jump to HC positions just to cash in...
Actually, his contract was already independent of the HC. That contract was written when Miles was still there. He was spooked by all the Miles talk down there and demanded it, or he'd have stayed in Madison.oh.. I thought they just agreed to keep him around. I didn't realize he already had an independent contract. I'm sure when the current Wisc DC finds his new job, he'll do the same. :88: (yes, it is a joke regarding your post on the husker thread)
Take a peek at the UW thread...oh... no.....
Aranda staying in the Bayou.Brown turned them down. Just like he'll turn anyone down. He's up there in age. Think he's retiring at Michigan.
Rumor is Don Brown is target #2
Brown turned them down. Just like he'll turn anyone down. He's up there in age. Think he's retiring at Michigan.Yep, Jimmy said "no" too. This thing moved quickly. Now it's ND's turn to make a move.
Sounds like aTm has struck a deal with ND Dc Mike Elko.
hey, living in the PAC, that's quite an accomplishmentI still think it's hilarious though. Never finished below 74... LMAO.
I saw on he top of our site that some dude named Grinch got a co-DC job with OSU today. I clicked on the article and it said that while he was the DC at Wazzu, his defenses never finished below #74 in the nation.So, this is a little skewed. Grinch was there 3 years. 1st year he improved their defense from 114 to 74. 2nd year improved again, and in his 3rd year got the D ranking all the way up to 16th. Funny way to report it.
That's so awesome.
Maryland hiring CHuck Heater for Safeties - A+: He did an outstanding job under Meyer at Florida in piecing together solid defensive backfields during the 2006 & 2007 seasons.2 things:
So, this is a little skewed. Grinch was there 3 years. 1st year he improved their defense from 114 to 74. 2nd year improved again, and in his 3rd year got the D ranking all the way up to 16th. Funny way to report it.This.
That should help solidify Mizzou's position at the bottom of the SEC-East for the coming seasons, while he lasts.That’s a move that ... wow
This.Hopefully he brings his Holiday Bowl game plan to Columbus. MSUs offense hasn't looked that good since the Penn State game.
Their defense was something like 28th in yards per play, top-30 in opponent-adjusted S&P. It was a pretty good group.
(Yards per game isn’t super useful anymore because the pace of the game varies so wildly)
Sounds like Sumlin is at the top of Arizona's board. Makes sense. Made sense when their in state rival was rumored to have him at the top of their board a month ago. Not too shabby to be forced into it a month later, and still wind up with the better hire.Is there any hotshot OC/DC at TCU? Arizona plays a 3-3-5 and Tate would be excellent in that kind of offense.
I have not heard of him. Is this a good thing?He just finished up in the Div II championship game at JMU. I'd have to look it up, but he had a pretty good OL when at VT and can recruit the VA area well with many players in the NFL.
drinking problems?He's bad at it, and one needs to stay hydrated in that climate.
what's the problem?
For Arizona, Sumlin is an A hire in the short term.Pretty much agree with this.
Yes Sumlin and his A&M staff were an emotional bunch, effectively the Steelers of the SEC where his talented rosters played at a high-risk, high-reward basis. This is why roster turnover was high and explains the fast starts and slow finishes. How many times did it seem A&M would start 6-0 only to finish 8-5?
To bigger names like SC or Penn St these are turnoffs during a coaching search, but for Arizona these are merely cautions which pale in comparison to the total package Sumlin brings when it comes to recruiting, keeping the current DC who he's worked with before, improving attendance, giving a strong public face and force of personality to the program, presumably keeping UA in the division race, and finally addressing the defensive side of the ball.
Not to mention what Arizona avoids in hiring Sumlin: No triple option, no old guy riding out his career, no coaching experiments.
alabama oc daboll going to bills oc position. and of course, dc pruitt went to tenn hc position.Locks may be waiting for the offer.
saban seems to usually come out of left field with the oc hires, and latest rumors i've seen are chip long, nd oc.
for dc, most think tosh lupoi will get promoted.
some rumors that if bama doesn't give oc to locksley, he'll head to fsu as oc. lots of moving parts right now, and not sure anyone knows what's gonna happen, including most of those involved.Mis-read my name too.....
edit: misread you're comment mctwerps. that's right.
Mis-read my name too.....Well, right or wrong, it took me a LONG time in my brain to read it as mcwterps rather than mctwerps. It's just a collection of letters that lends itself to the brain trying to re-order it in a bad way... We're not doing it maliciously, my friend.
Mis-read my name too.....lol, that's just a typo. my apologies.
looks like locksley is going to get the promotion to oc at bama.Sorry for your loss.
looks like locksley is going to get the promotion to oc at bama.You're going to easy on Freeze. That Saban wants him is disturbing.
saban wants to bring freeze on as an on field coach, but sec commish is fighting that. from a coaching standpoint, i think freeze would be an excellent addition, from almost every other standpoint, i don't want it to happen. i'd be ok if he was an analyst for a couple seasons before getting another chance at coaching, though. but really, his connection to at minimum allowing a system of cheating to flourish is something i don't want associated with bama.
You're going to easy on Freeze. That Saban wants him is disturbing.Curious if he ends up in Maryland.
Sorry for your loss.Yeah, why bring in a guy whose sole asset is his recruiting ability to a program that has no issue there?
But it's okay. You don't have to win important games to get into the playoffs!
j/k
Yeah, why bring in a guy whose sole asset is his recruiting ability to a program that has no issue there?I'm telling you...his offense in certain situational ball, was mind-boggling.
Sorry for your loss.
But it's okay. You don't have to win important games to get into the playoffs!
j/k
You're going to easy on Freeze. That Saban wants him is disturbing.saban is friends with freeze. he's known him from his time at lsu i think. and he knows far more than you and i about freeze's situation, and given saban's track record, i'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt in making these decisions. NOT that he can't/won't/hasn't screwed up personnel hires before or in the future, but he does have a good record overall of making excellent judgement on his hires. not that he needs my approval or deferral.
ha, maybe. he's not my first choice, that's for sure. but the players were pulling for him, so maybe it'll work out.Yes, he's always related to the kids. That's what makes him a great recruiter, but I thought his offense was all over the place.
Rod Smith hired as Illinois OCThat's a really good hire for Lovie, but I like Corey Patterson as the new TE coach even more. Those St. Louis connections are really important.
Woah, Canada to Maryland?I've become more gunshy about Canada the past year. Not that he's not a good coach because he is. But he might just be hard to work with.
Hire of the offseason
Woah, Canada to Maryland?Nothing official that I've seen.
Hire of the offseason
Kerry Coombs leaving Ohio State for Titans job, per reportNational recruiter of the year last year right?
Earlier in the week, Ohio State fans were worried about co-offensive coordinator Ryan Day potentially joining Mike Vrabel’s staff with the Tennessee Titans. Day is staying with the Buckeyes. Kerry Coombs, however, is heading to Nashville.
The Buckeyes are losing their cornerbacks coach for the last six seasons and a key recruiter as Coombs will join Vrabel’s staff in Tennessee (https://www.landof10.com/ohio-state/kerry-coombs-tennessee-titans-ohio-state-football-staff), according to Pete Thamel of Yahoo Sports.
Damn very good coach & recruiter good luck KC
COLLEGE PARK, Md. (AP) — Matt Canada has been hired as Maryland's offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach.Ronald Reagan wins election!
Canada spent last season working the same positions with Louisiana State. He replaces Walt Bell, who left for Florida State.
Ronald Reagan wins election!In fairness, it really wasn't official when first mentioned.
Kids should commit to a school and not a coach.I agree. But, if the Head coach leaves it could be a different program all together
Kids should commit to a school and not a coach.So should the coach?
So should the coach?Apples and oranges.
For coaches leaving of their own accord, I agree that you can't let players go to the team the coach left for. However, I worry here about allowing transfers, particularly for mid-major teams. I worry about turning G5 teams into farm programs, and if you let players transfer every time a coach leaves, you're going to see the biggest talents on those teams--the ones who will find landing spots at P5 programs--deserting G5 en masse. But I don't see a good solution here either, because allowing them to transfer when a coach is fired but NOT when a coach voluntarily leaves seems like a strange double standard to enforce.So, a friend of mine is really into his MAC alma mater, and after watching that, I don't know that moves me all that much.
butch jones might be enrolling in the nick saban school for coaches who can't coach good and want to learn to do other stuff good too (i.e. might become off field analyst (http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2018/02/alabama_in_talks_with_butch_jo.html))Saban's foster home/rehab facility for coaches on the rock bottom mend.