2018 Coaching Changes thread

[FearlessF]

Bill Callahan is still coaching, Bo Pelini could be had, Frank Solich has a few good years left, Tom Osborne is only 2 years older than Bill Snyder

hey, Wild Bill Synder!  He has shown he can turn around a program

speaking of old guys, Mike Riley says he wants to continue

go after PJ Fleck, I heard the Vols have a friggin Navy!

[FearlessF]

don't think it matters at all if the head guy was Offense or defense

heck, Frost has been both, many guys have coached both sides of the ball

many coordinators can't seem to make the transition to the head guy

some can, regardless of offense or defense preference

[847badgerfan]

don't think it matters at all if the head guy was Offense or defense

heck, Frost has been both, many guys have coached both sides of the ball

many coordinators can't seem to make the transition to the head guy

some can, regardless of offense or defense preference

UW's current ILB coach spent his whole life as an OL coach. So, yeah. Look at the ILB's for UW right now...

[Brutus Buckeye]

I still can't believe that Mark Mangino was never given another chance. 

In hindsight, he was practically performing miracles at Kansas. 

[MaximumSam]

I still can't believe that Mark Mangino was never given another chance.

In hindsight, he was practically performing miracles at Kansas.

+1
BTW if I'm hiring a head coach I'm calling Joe Moorhead first and Don Brown second. Both are phenomenal coordinators with strong head coaching experience.  Why aren't these guys hot names? 

[Mdot21]

+1
BTW if I'm hiring a head coach I'm calling Joe Moorhead first and Don Brown second. Both are phenomenal coordinators with strong head coaching experience.  Why aren't these guys hot names?

Don Brown is on the old side- he'll be 64 next year- and hasn't been a head coach in a decade. He's also pretty highly compensated- making well over $1 mil a year and he basically has complete autonomy on defense. He basically came out and said last year that he's not looking to be a head coach.

Moorehead will get his shot soon enough. He's 44- gonna be 45 next year so he's relatively young. 1-2 more years at Penn State putting up the kind of numbers his offenses have and he'll get a HC job before you know it.

[Mdot21]

LMAO at Jason Witten - a current NFL player - having to say he's not a candidate to coach the Vols.  FFS!  Any truth to the rumor that anyone who's ever driven through Knoxville should submit their resume????

yeah that was unbelievable. A current NFL player- who has never been a coach a day in his life- would just retire in the middle of an NFL season and go be the head coach at a P5 school? LMAO. Delusional.

Think that was just a rumor started by that douche nozzle Clay Travis on twitter. I think that moron actually thinks in his demented head that would've been a better hire for Tennessee than Schiano.

[MaximumSam]

Don Brown is on the old side- he'll be 64 next year- and hasn't been a head coach in a decade. He's also pretty highly compensated- making well over $1 mil a year and he basically has complete autonomy on defense.
Moorehead will get his shot soon enough. He's 44- gonna be 45 next year so he's relatively young. 1-2 more years at Penn State putting up the kind of numbers his offenses have and he'll get a HC job before you know it.

I'm sorry, but those are awful excuses.  Most contracts are five or six years and I've not heard any talk of Brown retiring anytime soon.  Plus P5 salaries would easily surpass what he's making.  Moorhead is young?  So what?  P5 athletic directors are way, way too caught up in maintaining the status quo and taking this line of thinking.  "Well, he's one of the best coordinators in the nation and he was a great head coach, buuuut I like my coaches between the ages of 50-54 so we're gonna pass."

[Mdot21]

I'm sorry, but those are awful excuses.  Most contracts are five or six years and I've not heard any talk of Brown retiring anytime soon.  Plus P5 salaries would easily surpass what he's making.  Moorhead is young?  So what?  P5 athletic directors are way, way too caught up in maintaining the status quo and taking this line of thinking.  "Well, he's one of the best coordinators in the nation and he was a great head coach, buuuut I like my coaches between the ages of 50-54 so we're gonna pass."

Nah. I think I'm pretty on the money. Brown isn't in a rush to be a HC. That's why he isn't one. If he wanted an HC job- he could get one. He's gonna be 64. Any job he'd go to would be a rebuild. Not sure he wants to work those hours and put in that effort. Who knows how long he even wants to coach for? Guy is pushing 70. And he's comfortable where he's at and paid very well.

Moorehead will get a head coach job soon. He's only been the OC at Penn State for 2 years.

[Mdot21]

if I was Tennessee I'd offer the job to Moorehead. Doubt he'd take it, but I'd absolutely offer it to him.

[PSUinNC]

I actually heard a landing spot for Moorehead that made a lot of sense - UCF.  It's a good fit for both in my mind.  I like Moorehead but cutting his teeth more at that level makes sense to me rather than diving all in on a pressure cooker like aTm, UT or the likes.  

I will say this - Drew's taking this with a lot of grace and style as a UT fan.  I have a few friends that are UT fans themselves, I think they deserve better.  But there could have been a better way of handling this all around, I think everyone would agree with that.  

[Shiner]

Yep.  Just because a school might have more money, better facilities, better weather, better recruiting opportunities, etc. than a helmet, does not necessarily make that school a helmet.
Some schools dwarf Alabama in terms of recruiting access, fan base, or money (Florida, aTm, UGA etc), but it doesn't make them better jobs by any stretch.  Decades and decades of consistent success defines a helmet school.

True....  but that wasn't the question.  The question was... what does being a helmet school benefit a coach or a potential coach?  This question came about because of Mdot's original assertion that FSU is a better job than the A&M job.

In terms of which is the better job for a potential coach... A&M has a bigger more impressive stadium (recruiting), has better facilities (recruiting), is situated in at least as fertile a recruiting ground, and is apparently willing to pay more to both head coaches and assistant coaches.  There are other potential advantages as well, but I'll stick to the big obvious ones.

Florida State offers "helmet status" (arguable, but I'll concede the point here).

If I'm a coach considering the two... the choices are very comparable at least, if not heavily in A&M's favor when looking at what I would care about and what would help me succeed from a coaching perspective.

Now.... obviously helmet status means something when it comes to schools like Ohio State... or Alabama... or Texas.  Because those schools offer everything that A&M does PLUS helmet status.  FSU doesn't (this of course then begs the question... is FSU really a helmet school, but that's a discussion for a different thread).

There is a reason Jimbo Fisher is considering leaving the job for A&M.  If it was a simple as y'all make it seem, he would've squashed rumors about A&M days ago. 

[MrNubbz]

I could also see teams coming after the OC, simply for his ability to make wrinkles in the run game, building an offensive line and recruiting Ohio.

What ya did there....i saw it - channeling your inner Barry

[FearlessF]

Jimbo got cross with the AD or some boosters of substance?

didn't like the way he is treated during a losing season?

doesn't think he's appreciated or respected?