CFB51 College Football Fan Community

The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on November 26, 2017, 12:45:32 PM

Title: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 26, 2017, 12:45:32 PM
Todd Graham out at ASU.  Owed $12.3 million with no offset clause.  Leader in the clubhouse for dumbest contract?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CWSooner on November 26, 2017, 01:04:16 PM
No tears for Todd.  He's a rotter.  Rah-rah "faith, family, football" guy on the surface, and a stinker underneath.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 26, 2017, 01:04:49 PM
I'm kind of surprised that Kent St would fire a coach who missed the first few games of the season fighting cancer. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on November 26, 2017, 01:45:46 PM
Sounds like Schiano to Tennessee
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 26, 2017, 02:03:02 PM
Sounds like Schiano to Tennessee
Good hire and realistically probably the best they could do. Tennessee will play defense and run the ball and they won't be soft like they have been.

Tennessee fans are up in arms and pissed over this but who did they think they were going to get? Jon Gruden was a complete fantasy and they were never in the running for Chip or Scott Frost.

Schiano was a bad fit in the NFL but few college coaches are good fits there. He put Rutgers on the map and has been a long time assistant at PSU, Miami, and OSU.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 26, 2017, 02:07:07 PM
Sumlin to Arizona State? 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 26, 2017, 02:17:08 PM
Dan Wolken- CFB reporter for USA Today just tweeted Frost turned down Florida. 

Hope that means he's a lock to go to Nebraska. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: TyphonInc on November 26, 2017, 02:44:34 PM
Mullen to Florida
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 26, 2017, 02:47:01 PM
Good Hire if true Mullen is very solid.Lost to Ole Miss after the QB went down early
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: TyphonInc on November 26, 2017, 02:49:57 PM
Does it look bad or Florida that their #1 candidate ran off to LA to coach the 2nd best team in that city?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 26, 2017, 02:51:43 PM
Does it look bad or Florida that their #1 candidate ran off to LA to coach the 2nd best team in that city?
Not if they really landed Mullen. 
He's probably a better fit at UF than Chip. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 26, 2017, 02:55:39 PM
Does it look bad or Florida that their #1 candidate ran off to LA to coach the 2nd best team in that city?
yes, and even worse if Frost (#2) turned them down to go to UNL
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: TyphonInc on November 26, 2017, 02:59:23 PM
No tears for Todd.  He's a rotter.  Rah-rah "faith, family, football" guy on the surface, and a stinker underneath.
Is Graham the guy who told his player to lay on the ball till the clock expired? Yah, no love loss for that @ss h@t.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 26, 2017, 03:28:12 PM
And group texted his players last time he jumped jobs.  And has held about five dream jobs.

Nobody is shedding a tear for him.

One of my favorite EDSBS blogs is the Todd Graham challenge where you play NCAA on the PlayStation, but have to change jobs every two years, and can only use Coaching Loyalty as your recruiting pitch.

That said, I don't get firing him right now.  If anything, ASU vastly overachieved to get to 7-5.  That roster, on paper, was awful.  Granted he's been there long enough that it's his fault the roster got so bad.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 26, 2017, 03:31:15 PM
yes, and even worse if Frost (#2) turned them down to go to UNL
Yes to 1, no to 2.  If he hadn't been a UNL alum, then I'd agree.  But it's his alma mater, and it's still Nebraska.  It's not like he spurned them to go home to Kansas.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 26, 2017, 03:50:50 PM
Chip Kelly is probably a better fit for UCLA than Florida. 

He knows the Pac 12, and successfully recruited CA talent to Oregon, of all places. 

Me? Personally I'd pick Florida. Better recruiting, lower cost of living, etc. 

I won't be waiting by my phone, though. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 26, 2017, 03:56:04 PM
Yes to 1, no to 2.  If he hadn't been a UNL alum, then I'd agree.  But it's his alma mater, and it's still Nebraska.  It's not like he spurned them to go home to Kansas.
I understand, but I also understand Chip going to LA.
whenever your #1 and #2 picks turn you down its a bad thing
settling for #3 or #4 leads to guys that have less of a chance to succeed
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 26, 2017, 03:59:52 PM
Sumlin gone
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 26, 2017, 04:16:53 PM
And group texted his players last time he jumped jobs.  And has held about five dream jobs.

That said, I don't get firing him right now.  If anything, ASU vastly overachieved to get to 7-5.  That roster, on paper, was awful.  Granted he's been there long enough that it's his fault the roster got so bad.


Agree. Firing Todd G now seems to ignore aspects of the mini-turnaround that took place in 2017 and for all practical purposes would've continued into 2018. The awful defense Todd G was forced to fix was playing night and day better in certain games (Vs Utah, Vs Washington) and in many other games were playing with a consistency not seen since 2014. And I thought Todd G's development of QB Wilkins coinciding with successfully strategizing the offense for Wilkins' brand of game management was solid throughout the course of the season. On the other hand his offense went through stretches of imbalance that directly cost ASU games, specifically against UCLA, where at times the star receiver Harry would disappear despite overmatching the Bruin's defensive backfield or the running game would disappear when UCLA couldn't stop their RBs.

Point is if Todd G's staff were kept intact and if the more experienced roster meant more consistency I think it would've been worth keeping Todd G another year. I would've liked to see how it would've gone because Todd G's tenure is now the third Sun Devil coaching cycle I've experience where a coach was fired amidst moderate success; in Dirk Koetter's case I wanted to see how one more season would've turned out, but not in Erickson's.

The ASU program is in need of stability and an escape from the college football's poverty cycle of firing/hiring a new coach every half-decade.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on November 26, 2017, 04:41:03 PM
Sumlin gone
Sumlin to Miss State?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 26, 2017, 04:47:59 PM
whenever your #1 and #2 picks turn you down its a bad thing
settling for #3 or #4 leads to guys that have less of a chance to succeed
not entirely true.

USC whiffed on about 4 potential hires before they had to "settle" on Pete Carroll. Turns out that was probably the best hire they ever made.

Sometimes getting turned down by your first option is a blessing in disguise.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 26, 2017, 04:50:55 PM
Yes to 1, no to 2.  If he hadn't been a UNL alum, then I'd agree.  But it's his alma mater, and it's still Nebraska.  It's not like he spurned them to go home to Kansas.
I'd still say no to either as long as they wind up with Mullen. Chip probably wasn't a good fit in Gainseville. I think he'd have won for sure because he's a great coach, but he wouldn't have been it in for the long haul and he'd probably hate living there. Mullen fits that job to a T. He's coached at UF. He's been a head coach in the SEC and had success at a place like Mississippi State- which isn't easy to do. I'd say Mullen would be a better hire for UF than Frost.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on November 26, 2017, 04:56:19 PM
Is Graham the guy who told his player to lay on the ball till the clock expired? Yah, no love loss for that @ss h@t.
I've told you multiple times that NEVER happened. Jfc.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 26, 2017, 04:57:36 PM
Sumlin to Miss State?
If he couldn't win at aTm, what would he do at a place like msu in the same division? Ouch.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on November 26, 2017, 04:57:56 PM
Our athletic director is stupid. Firing TG was beyond stupid. I'm not happy about this at all.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 26, 2017, 04:58:53 PM
I've told you multiple times that NEVER happened. Jfc.
Never.

*

:67:
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 26, 2017, 04:59:24 PM
If he couldn't win at aTm, what would he do at a place like msu in the same division? Ouch.
lotta rumors that Sumlin might land in Arizona State.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on November 26, 2017, 05:01:22 PM
Never.

*

:67:
Last I checked there's still no asterisk in the official record books. 
But no, no matter how bad Ty wishes TG actually told a player to lay on the ball that it absolutely 100% false.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on November 26, 2017, 05:02:25 PM
lotta rumors that Sumlin might land in Arizona State.
I'm hearing that too. I'd much rather have kept TG.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 26, 2017, 05:03:26 PM
Last I checked there's still no asterisk in the official record books.
But no, no matter how bad Ty wishes TG actually told a player to lay on the ball that it absolutely 100% false.
I wouldn't say 100 percent, but it's undeniable that the players did it.

I keep an official record book and my official book, it says * next to that game. Hah!
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 26, 2017, 05:04:20 PM
I'm hearing that too. I'd much rather have kept TG.
Sumlin is a nice person. To me that alone makes him an upgrade over Graham. Huge upgrade.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 26, 2017, 05:05:38 PM
Sometimes getting turned down by your first option is a blessing in disguise.

I'd say Mullen would be a better hire for UF than Frost.
both of those things could be very true
we will never know for sure
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 26, 2017, 05:09:01 PM
I wouldn't say 100 percent, but it's undeniable that the players did it.

I keep an official record book and my official book, it says * next to that game. Hah!
blame the zebra, it's his call
players and coaches just trying to get a win
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on November 26, 2017, 05:09:45 PM
I wouldn't say 100 percent, but it's undeniable that the players did it.

Well yeah, no one is denying a player laid on the ball after Stave put it on the ground. But said player did NOT do it on direct orders from TG himself. I know this to be fact, too. There was a sideline camera on TG when Stave put the ball on the ground.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 26, 2017, 05:15:43 PM
blame the zebra, it's his call
players and coaches just trying to get a win
PAC refs are the absolute worst.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 26, 2017, 05:20:28 PM
PAC refs are the absolute worst.
B1G refs are pretty shitty.
I think the SEC refs take the cake though.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 26, 2017, 05:24:08 PM
#Karma 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 26, 2017, 05:24:27 PM
Apparently the negative reaction Schiano is getting from Vol fans has him re-thinking the job.

I don't blame him--who wants to go where they are not wanted.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 26, 2017, 05:25:39 PM
Apparently the negative reaction Schiano is getting from Vol fans has him re-thinking the job.

I don't blame him--who wants to go where they are not wanted.
That is puzzling to me. He's a good coach.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 26, 2017, 05:29:31 PM
hah, he's no jon gruden

the Vols fans are going to git what they deserve
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 26, 2017, 05:30:19 PM
hah, he's no jon gruden

the Vols fans are going to git what they deserve
Like, who is the Cincy coach right now? Like that?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 26, 2017, 05:33:58 PM
They've probably had their fill of Bearcat coaches. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 26, 2017, 05:42:28 PM
They've probably had their fill of Bearcat coaches.
I'm sure they have. But who do they think they are getting? Seriously. 

They should jest get Tee Martin and be done with it. IF he would go, that is.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 26, 2017, 05:43:21 PM
Wow, all over social media that Texas A&M plans to announce Jimbo Fisher next HC.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 26, 2017, 05:45:46 PM
Wow, all over social media that Texas A&M plans to announce Jimbo Fisher next HC.
why would Jimbo leave a great job for a mediocre one? Makes no sense. FSU- man that's a great job.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 26, 2017, 05:48:29 PM
That is puzzling to me. He's a good coach.
they are hammering him all over twitter for covering up child rape when he was an assistant at Penn State. Apparently that's the reason they don't want him. Calling bullshit. They don't want him because he's not a sexy name like Jon Gruden or Chip Kelly or Scott Frost or Dan Mullen. A bunch of guys they were never ever going to get. If he was a hot name and they thought he'd bring a winner they wouldn't say a word.

Who the hell do they think they are going to realistically get? That program and it's fans are a joke.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 26, 2017, 05:48:49 PM
I'd fire Sumlin if I could get Fisher, but gotta be something fishy going on if Fisher goes from FSU to A&M

like sanctions
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 26, 2017, 05:50:31 PM
I'm sure they have. But who do they think they are getting? Seriously.

They should jest get Tee Martin and be done with it. IF he would go, that is.
they should really go hire Cutcliffe and bring Martin along as OC and Assistant Head Coach and HCIW and let Cutcliffe do the heavy lifting the next 4-5 years and then hand over the reigns to Martin.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 26, 2017, 05:51:48 PM
apparently A&M is offering Fisher $7.5 million a year. Not sure FSU is willing to match that offer.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 26, 2017, 06:15:07 PM
i was going to post here asking if any of you were witnessing the shit show that is UT's coaching search?

this is going to take Currie down, too, it looks like. 

what you don't get, @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) , is 'Bible belt'... that Penn State circumstance is something UT fan's would never ever align to in any way, no matter how you feel about it.  besides, Schiano ain't all that, plain and simple. with the $$$ UT was/is willing to part with, they ought to be able to secure damn near who they want......... except for the *shitshow part.... which usually get's them what they deserve rather than what they want every. single. time.  

the mistake isn't Schiano by any stretch of the imagination.... it's once again how this was handled- in secrecy and held very close to the vest, and out of the blue a name folks are just as familiar with due to extremely unfortunate circumstances as what the man has accomplished... not good.... IF those clowns had simply socialized the candidate, and let the overly emotional and radical think it through, the reaction would be far different.  it would be night and day...... and the rock at UT wouldn't be painted in a very unwelcoming manner right now that is just plain shameful to the entire program and fan base. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on November 26, 2017, 06:23:22 PM
Sumlin is a nice person. To me that alone makes him an upgrade over Graham. Huge upgrade.
Are you nuts?!? Sumlin is a known drunk and all about his #swagger and #yessir phony BS, and ran a very loose ship. This is a crap take, if you care about things like discipline and making sure your kids don't get in trouble off the field than you would MUCH prefer TG over Sumlin, no contest.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: TyphonInc on November 26, 2017, 06:32:39 PM
Last I checked there's still no asterisk in the official record books.
But no, no matter how bad Ty wishes TG actually told a player to lay on the ball that it absolutely 100% false.
Except for the fact the @ss hat tweeted "I was hollering to get on the ball." yah it never happened.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 26, 2017, 06:37:36 PM
well then perhaps it was #karma from that time that Bert ran out the clock vs Penn St by continuously kicking the ball out of bounds. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on November 26, 2017, 06:46:16 PM
Except for the fact the @ss hat tweeted "I was hollering to get on the ball." yah it never happened.
Nah, he didn't. But he did yell out "FUMBLE! THAT'S A FUMBLE!" pointing at the ball (this is on camera). You know, because he (like a lot of people right when it happened) genuinely believed that actually was a fumble. He later said in a press conference that because he thought it was a fumble he supported his player jumping on it. Now tell me, are you done talking out of your ass yet or do you want to continue?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 26, 2017, 06:52:12 PM
Dan Mullen goes Millennial and announces his Florida hiring as official by decking out his twitter account in Gator's banners and profile pics.

Mullen doesn't come with the fireworks of Chip Kelly, but this is a very sound, responsible, and safe hire.

Now back to watching the sh*t show that is the Tennessee job search. :king:
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 26, 2017, 06:55:31 PM
From the standpoint of HC vacancies/hirings this season is going to jump out of the frying pan and into the fire.I don't recall transition like or near this.And there's more to come
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 26, 2017, 06:57:39 PM
they should really go hire Cutcliffe and bring Martin along as OC and Assistant Head Coach and HCIW and let Cutcliffe do the heavy lifting the next 4-5 years and then hand over the reigns to Martin.
I mentioned that weeks ago, but I'm wondering if Cut would even want to do it.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 26, 2017, 06:58:03 PM
they should really go hire Cutcliffe and bring Martin along as OC and Assistant Head Coach and HCIW and let Cutcliffe do the heavy lifting the next 4-5 years and then hand over the reigns to Martin.
You've mentioned Cutcliffe a few times.Either he hasn't been approached or has made it clear he's happy standing pat
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 26, 2017, 07:14:46 PM
I'd fire Sumlin if I could get Fisher, but gotta be something fishy going on if Fisher goes from FSU to A&M

like sanctions
What has Sumlin done without JFF?

What has Fisher done without Crab Legs?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 26, 2017, 07:20:04 PM
Winning anything with GD Johnny Football under center is a rather impressive feat. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 26, 2017, 07:23:19 PM
Schiano definitely not going to Tennessee.   Their loss in my opinion.

Also- sad that someone can be treated like a criminal when there is absolutely no evidence to support it.  

They will get what they have coming....you always do.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 26, 2017, 07:25:07 PM
That's going to be the situation for anyone that was on that PSU staff.

Greg Schiano and Larry Johnson may just have to stand pat. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 26, 2017, 07:34:28 PM
 
Schiano definitely not going to Tennessee.   Their loss in my opinion.

Also- sad that someone can be treated like a criminal when there is absolutely no evidence to support it.  

They will get what they have coming....you always do.  


Schiano himself might have a decent case for slander against college football writer Clay Travis who took the reins in railroading his hiring at Tennessee; just read through his twitter: https://twitter.com/ClayTravis (https://twitter.com/ClayTravis)

And to make matters even weirder, he advocates hiring Lane Kiffin back, what the hell is going on in Knoxville?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: TyphonInc on November 26, 2017, 07:53:30 PM
That's going to be the situation for anyone that was on that PSU staff.

Greg Schiano and Larry Johnson may just have to stand pat.
Not a bad consolation place that they landed. 
So , Schiano was at PSU for 5 years ('90-'95), and McQueary said "he can't remember the details but", that Bradley said, that Schiano said "he saw Sandusky doing something bad to a boy in the shower." Both Bradley and Schiano have denied this. Not sure that's conviction worthy. I mean if he did know something and didn't report it then yah drop him from OSU's staff ASAP. But to have politicians saying to not hire him because of this, seems borderline libel.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: TyphonInc on November 26, 2017, 07:56:27 PM
Peter Parker: Spider-Man wasn't trying to attack the city, he was trying to save it. That's slander.
J. Jonah Jameson: It is not. I resent that. Slander is spoken. In print, it's libel.

I chose libel over slander, is twitter print or spoken?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 26, 2017, 08:02:34 PM
only slander if it's not true.... i don't think anyone wants to hash that out again.  

he is/was a bad choice, anyway.  

but watching this..... talk about fascinating.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: rook119 on November 26, 2017, 08:09:08 PM
if true wow

Brad Jones‏ 
@BradJonesBBBTV
44m44 minutes ago
More
There are reports that TN will owe Schiano $20 million in a buyout for a contract that was signed but TN backed out of it. But only speculation on this. Fox Sports Knoxville mentioned this.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 26, 2017, 08:20:29 PM
if true wow

Brad Jones‏
@BradJonesBBBTV
44m44 minutes ago
More
There are reports that TN will owe Schiano $20 million in a buyout for a contract that was signed but TN backed out of it. But only speculation on this. Fox Sports Knoxville mentioned this.
If true, the AD must be sent packing, right?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 26, 2017, 08:22:30 PM
that's like hitting the lottery... 

i imagine Currie is toast, and Blackburn is holding his phone right now waiting to take the inevitable call... 

what a shit show. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 26, 2017, 08:23:53 PM
only slander if it's not true.... i don't think anyone wants to hash that out again.  

he is/was a bad choice, anyway.  

but watching this..... talk about fascinating.  
You are entitled to your opinion.   
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 26, 2017, 08:25:11 PM
they are hammering him all over twitter for covering up child rape when he was an assistant at Penn State. Apparently that's the reason they don't want him. Calling bullshit. They don't want him because he's not a sexy name like Jon Gruden
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS
omg, this Tennessee thing is PRICELESS!!!  Student protests, but allegedly Schiano already signed a contract, so for UT to back out, they'd have to pay his buyout, lol
Hilarious!!!!!  All because the guy isn't Jon Gruden!!!!
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: TyphonInc on November 26, 2017, 08:28:21 PM


Schiano himself might have a decent case for slander against college football writer Clay Travis who took the reins in railroading his hiring at Tennessee; just read through his twitter: https://twitter.com/ClayTravis (https://twitter.com/ClayTravis)

And to make matters even weirder, he advocates hiring Lane Kiffin back, what the hell is going on in Knoxville?

Clay Travis wants: 
Kiffen back, who already failed at UT, and every other place he worked. 
Petrino, let go for paying mistress 20k of school money.
Leach fired for mistreating players.
Sumlin who got video taped while being drunk.
I mean if your gonna claim Schiano isn't good enough for off field concerns, you prolly should have a better list of replacements than this...
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 26, 2017, 08:33:43 PM


Schiano himself might have a decent case for slander against college football writer Clay Travis who took the reins in railroading his hiring at Tennessee; just read through his twitter: https://twitter.com/ClayTravis (https://twitter.com/ClayTravis)

And to make matters even weirder, he advocates hiring Lane Kiffin back, what the hell is going on in Knoxville?

I got about a minute into it...What a piece of shit Clay Travis is.To tar & feather Schiano to Sandusky's crime is criminal in it self.Actually said Schiano was implicated.This is actually character assassination he's throwing shit against the wall and seeing what would stick.You could accuse anyone in/at Penn St.The way this asshole says it smuggly and with conviction is unbelievable.This is the type of shit that gets people killed - literally
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: TyphonInc on November 26, 2017, 08:34:06 PM
I've told you multiple times that NEVER happened. Jfc.
It Happened. (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/9/16/4737712/todd-graham-arizona-state-wisconsin) "I was hollering to get on the ball." - Todd Graham
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 26, 2017, 08:36:45 PM
you guys can believe what you want to believe, but nobody wants him because of his connection to penn state and during a period when players were play things, plain and simple.  some people still put principle above all... and i respect that.  

as i said before, had this been socialized via controlled release this entire thing could have been avoided- not only that people could have an opportunity to digest the possible hire, but also that the admin could have sampled the reaction.  

Currie basically hired a buddy- and Haslam was once again 'in for a ounce in for a pound' meddling with things he ought not be involved with.  it looks like it may not have been a MoA/MoU, which can be crumbled and tossed, but a binding contract offered by Haslam with the Universities backing (he was officially part of the committee) as long as two weeks ago... if that is the fact.... damn... just.......... damn. 

GS's affiliation with PSU from that era is incredibly unfortunate... he'll wear that shadow likely forever, especially in the Bible Belt- and fair or not, people not given an opportunity to think this through WILL react however they want to, and in this case.... damn.  

UT is an absolute mess.... 

I'm looking for somewhere to land... possibly New Mexico State or maybe Western Michigan- somewhere people have to ask "where?".... because this inferno just turned nuclear, and........ i'm about done with it.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 26, 2017, 08:37:04 PM
Sounds like he's lucky to have dodged that poop storm. 

I do hope Tennessee is on the hook for 20 mil. That's about twenty years, at his current pay rate. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 26, 2017, 08:41:57 PM
Schiano is guilty of one thing:  not being Jon Gruden.

This is what happens when a bunch of angry hillbillies wearing daisy orange get upset that their first choice for fooseball coach is too busy making beer commercials to give a damn about a place he spent 10 minutes in back in the late 80s.  

Sorry, you can't prosecute Shiano for the above crime.  But apparently, an AD can lose his job from flubbing this up so bad, lol.

This is amaze-balls ! ! ! ! !
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 26, 2017, 08:43:57 PM
I'm literally turned on right now....:1rij:
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 26, 2017, 08:44:25 PM
and that is the curious part..... the winner here?  Greg Schiano.... 

why?

lack of any type of professionalism, competent mismanagement of a fairly straight forward process, not knowing your own fanbase, and thinking they're the smartest men in the room.  

who in hell would want to go to UT now?  the DC of Montana State's brother's girlfriend's pen pal from the west indes?  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 26, 2017, 08:48:19 PM
it is amazing, @OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) , but i wouldn't expect you to understand why they don't want Schiano.  Either a person can look past that, or, they can't.  if for some reason tOSU doesn't retain him, he ought to file suit against PSU himself- he'll have the $$$ it's apparent, and THAT will always hang around him fair or not.  not, obviously.... 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 26, 2017, 08:51:25 PM
you guys can believe what you want to believe, but nobody wants him because of his connection to penn state and during a period when players were play things, plain and simple.  some people still put principle above all... and i respect that.  

as i said before, had this been socialized via controlled release this entire thing could have been avoided- not only that people could have an opportunity to digest the possible hire, but also that the admin could have sampled the reaction.  

Currie basically hired a buddy- and Haslam was once again 'in for a ounce in for a pound' meddling with things he ought not be involved with.  it looks like it may not have been a MoA/MoU, which can be crumbled and tossed, but a binding contract offered by Haslam with the Universities backing (he was officially part of the committee) as long as two weeks ago... if that is the fact.... damn... just.......... damn.

GS's affiliation with PSU from that era is incredibly unfortunate... he'll wear that shadow likely forever, especially in the Bible Belt- and fair or not, people not given an opportunity to think this through WILL react however they want to, and in this case.... damn.  

UT is an absolute mess....

I'm looking for somewhere to land... possibly New Mexico State or maybe Western Michigan- somewhere people have to ask "where?".... because this inferno just turned nuclear, and........ i'm about done with it.  
I just have a hard time with the selective version of their "principal" - given the the shit they defended when some of Butches players stood up against others for sexual assault. 
No credibility there.  Nothing against you- your a great member of this forum. But I think this is only partially related to that, and more it's not Gruden or someone like him.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on November 26, 2017, 08:51:46 PM
It Happened. (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/9/16/4737712/todd-graham-arizona-state-wisconsin) "I was hollering to get on the ball." - Todd Graham
Yes, he was shouting "FUMBLE! THAT'S A FUMBLE!" when it happened because HE GENUINELY BELIEVED it was a fumble. Your dishonest implication is he was telling his player to cheat, he directly ordered a player to cheat. There is video proof THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. Keep failing Ty, it's free amusement today.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 26, 2017, 08:52:16 PM
this is one reason ya don't fire the sitting coach until you have your next coach signed

and you put someone in charge of the hiring that won't incite the mob

Mike Riley wasn't a very popular choice 3 years ago, but come on man
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 26, 2017, 08:54:46 PM
hah, I was feeling pretty sorry for myself after this season as a Husker fan

but, I'm not a Vol fan, so I got that going for me
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on November 26, 2017, 08:55:45 PM
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS
omg, this Tennessee thing is PRICELESS!!!  Student protests, but allegedly Schiano already signed a contract, so for UT to back out, they'd have to pay his buyout, lol
Hilarious!!!!!  All because the guy isn't Jon Gruden!!!!
Tennessee's job stinks at this point and this was the best they could do.  Period.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 26, 2017, 08:56:50 PM
I'm sorry, but I've been buried under an avalanche of BS on the SEC board with the baby Jesus incarnate Jon Gruden becoming UT's coach......close sources....guys you trust say it's a done deal.....all of that crap.....and when it's not him, there's outrage.

DUH!

Where was the outrage when tOSU signed Schiano as DC?  Hmmph.  None.  Is UT more pious than tOSU?  You want to make that claim?  

Excuse me while I bask in the glory of the absolute shyt show that is UT football right now.  Public.  Front-page.  Crap-fest.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 26, 2017, 08:58:33 PM

Here's hoping that Schiano is shell shocked enough to take his head off a swivel, and refocus on being OSU's DC long term. 

I'm going to have a nice chuckle, when they wind up hiring Bobby Petrino. 




(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F6ZibW.jpg&hash=5a844062f59ba98608d48c365c9bc209)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 26, 2017, 09:00:49 PM
who in hell would want to go to UT now?  the DC of Montana State's brother's girlfriend's pen pal from the west indes?  
Lane Kiffen..?
In all seriousness he's probably the only immediately hireable viable candidate that wouldn't give a decent crap about stepping into a storm, being a bit of a crazy himself. 
And oddly there's a growing demand to hire Kiffin back anyway.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 26, 2017, 09:01:46 PM
Hell, I'd find out if Jon Gruden has a brother and hire him, to quell the mob.  It'll confuse them long enough to get through this fiasco....
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 26, 2017, 09:02:32 PM
@Honestbuckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=37) , i don't disagree now that the dust is settling.... 

UT is at a crossroad they've seen before, but not been parked in demanding 'something' else get ran over... the hire HAD TO BE something ground shaking, else they would slide completely off the map... and, i think they just did. 

i have a buddy- a good friend, actually... retired navy corpsman and a great guy.. he woke up maybe two weeks ago now seriously not knowing where he was or who his wife of ten years laying beside him was.. he took off running across the golf course naked as the day he was born until the popo showed up and lassoed his ass.  he has some sort of white crap on his brain the scans picked up, and apparently he's in and out of different states now- from full cohesion to absolute panic, to almost drunk acting.... 

i hope that's what's happening to me right now.  it would make all of this make sense on some level.  right now, though.....
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 26, 2017, 09:03:32 PM
and that is the curious part..... the winner here?  Greg Schiano....
NO!Clay Travis fanned the flames that Schiano was involved in the scandel.Schiano left Penn St 5-6 yrs before Mike McCreary stepped on campus.Where does Greg Schiano go to restore his rep?Clay Travis is a slime ball in a sea of pus.That asshole might have to start looking over his shoulder
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 26, 2017, 09:06:49 PM
i'm sure that is FAR from over, too... 

UT has made CFB 'pro wrastlin'.... all we need now is the nature boy to come through WOOOOO WOOOOOOO  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on November 26, 2017, 09:11:30 PM
https://www.landof10.com/michigan/arizona-state-pep-hamilton-michigan-football

Heard from a few other people they've also heard rumblings about this behind the scenes. Eh, I don't think Pep is ready to be a head cfb coach of a P5 team. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: WhiskeyM on November 26, 2017, 09:11:39 PM
you guys can believe what you want to believe, but nobody wants him because of his connection to penn state and during a period when players were play things, plain and simple.  some people still put principle above all... and i respect that.  
Drew, I'm genuinely interested in your opinion on this.  I think it offers deeper insight into what the Vol fanbase is thinking as well.
Could you please give some details regarding the bolded statement?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: TyphonInc on November 26, 2017, 09:16:37 PM
Last I checked there's still no asterisk in the official record books.
But no, no matter how bad Ty wishes TG actually told a player to lay on the ball that it absolutely 100% false.
Reffing Head Official Bill Carollo said the refs messed up (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/big-ten-to-wisconsin-refs-botched-late-game-sequence-at-arizona-state/) and Wisconsin should have received another play.
Larry Scott is taking "additional sanctions against officials" for their failure to properly administer the end of game situation (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/9681505/pac-12-conference-reprimands-officials-arizona-state-wisconsin-game) and act with appropriate urgency on the game's final play."
Sounds pretty asterisk~esk to me.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 26, 2017, 09:16:56 PM
https://www.landof10.com/michigan/arizona-state-pep-hamilton-michigan-football

Heard from a few other people they've also heard rumblings about this behind the scenes. Eh, I don't think Pep is ready to be a head cfb coach of a P5 team.
Make sure your B.O.R. gets the memo
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 26, 2017, 09:34:10 PM
i'll try, @WhiskeyM (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1624) ... 

understand i'm speaking from my perspective of others... others being the UT fanbase.  Other's don't follow this game like we do, and they really don't know a lot about PSU other than what they've been told (it's not like they sought out information for themselves).  

there was a fire at PSU, and Schiano was close enough to smell like smoke.  pretty much that simple.  

if you couple that with mob mentality- which is looking for a reason to dismiss or stop a hire when nothing is really known about the guy except he smells like smoke- they have just justified their revolt.  and that is what it is.  senseless, without reason or accountability, taking action from those who are seeking fame in the middle of chaos by claiming to be a 'source'- THE DAY AFTER the worst season EVER for UT (8 losses... a first).... and NOT making good on "ground shaking" as was claimed... 

the real issue here is how it was handled.  a few days of rumors- followed by a press release expressing official interest- many things could have been gleaned.  but instead, while tempers are still red hot in a state that has nothing but UT football and coming off the worst season ever ONE DAY REMOVED- it was just plain stupid.  

it may seem to you my response diverted away from your question... they needed an excuse, and some son of a bitch offered them one in the vane of something that anyone affiliated with this game wants closure and distance from.... where there is little to no reason of concern for anything involving that circumstance that rates it being yanked out of the ground and re-hashed.  

i've fluidly moved in this thread between personal opinion and trying to represent that of a fan base i am a part of.  i'm finding that increasingly difficult.  it's all bull shit.  the hire (handling) was bull shit... if Haslam went off the reservation, that's bull shit... the fanbase acting the way they have is bull shit... the candidate himself, however accomplished, is less than what the fan base expected and because of the man himself (currie) promising 'ground shaking' and then.... is bull shit... 

all told, it's truly something to watch.. as i said elsewhere, in ten years this will still be unbelievable... i don't know whether to be happy i'm witnessing it real time, or, if it has afforded me an opportunity to give a precise moment i was no longer a UT fan... 

clift notes:  there is no innocent party here except for Schiano (who is the bad guy?)... the man thought he was getting a good gig... everyone else- ALL OF THEM... are to blame and none of them have done the right thing since- from the UT admin to the fan base to the reporters involved in fanning the flames.... it's astounding and actually painful for me to watch. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 26, 2017, 09:37:47 PM
So Chris Low is reporting that what was signed between Tennessee and Schiano was a "Memorandum of Understanding" and NOT an actual coaching contract.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 26, 2017, 09:45:19 PM
there was beyond doubt a MOU/MOA signed today... but... there is rumor there was a CONTRACT demonstrating intent in open terms offered by Haslam and signed by GS as much as two weeks ago- locking down intent... in contract.. 

i don't know how these things work... but that, if true, was a contract, not just an agreement.  that is the one in real question. 

there is also reporting right now that Currie has been fired. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CWSooner on November 26, 2017, 09:46:33 PM
FWIW, CFN, the old Mothership, recommends these 5 guys for Arizona State's consideration.

Kevin Sumlin: He didn’t fit at Texas A&M, but ASU might be the right spot for a great guy, high-octane offensive coach.

Charlie Strong: Maybe, the idea is to defense to combat the rest of the Pac-12 offenses – and what’s coming at UCLA.

Mike Norvell: The Memphis head man is going to be part of the coaching carousel, and he certainly knows ASU as the former offensive coordinator.

Jeff Tedford: What he did in one year at Fresno State is nothing short of amazing. He certainly knows the Pac-12, and he proved he certainly knows how to coach.

Jim Bob Cooter: If AD Ray Anderson really likes the NFL style, the guy who’s making the Detroit offense go is soon going to be a big name.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 26, 2017, 10:07:50 PM
https://www.landof10.com/michigan/arizona-state-pep-hamilton-michigan-football

Heard from a few other people they've also heard rumblings about this behind the scenes. Eh, I don't think Pep is ready to be a head cfb coach of a P5 team.
I'd be absolutely shocked if Hamilton was seriously considered. I'd actually be for it, because I want Jedd Fisch back as full-time OC to be honest. He's on his way out at UCLA with Kelly being hired. I'd gladly dump Hamilton and Drevno in exchange for Jedd Fisch.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 26, 2017, 10:13:34 PM
I am NOT buying the holier than thou crap UT a-holes are selling in regards to not wanting Schiano. They don't want him because he's not a big-time name. They ain't getting a big-time name. He was 100% the best they could've DREAMED of doing. They will get nothing now. Who wants to coach that mess?

Schiano is a good coach. He knows defense and he's committed to running the football and he knows how to build a program. What he did at Rutgers wasn't easy. He built that program from scratch and put that program on the map. Without him they don't ever dream of joining the B1G.

I'm actually glad that he's not going to Tennessee. I don't think Chris Ash can coach. Like at all. And I don't think he's going to be there much longer. I really think Schiano goes back to Rutgers in the next 2-3 years.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 26, 2017, 10:24:24 PM
NO!Clay Travis fanned the flames that Schiano was involved in the scandel.Schiano left Penn St 5-6 yrs before Mike McCreary stepped on campus.Where does Greg Schiano go to restore his rep?Clay Travis is a slime ball in a sea of pus.That asshole might have to start looking over his shoulder
Clay Travis might be the biggest f'n idiot in sports media...and that's saying something because that field is 98% populated with air heads and morons. That hillbilly know nothing makes Skip Bayless look like a genius.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 26, 2017, 10:27:18 PM
good read. the hit job the Tennessee morons put on Schiano was despicable.

https://www.mediaite.com/online/the-twitter-mob-is-trying-to-destroy-greg-schiano-and-they-are-100-wrong/ (https://www.mediaite.com/online/the-twitter-mob-is-trying-to-destroy-greg-schiano-and-they-are-100-wrong/)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 26, 2017, 10:36:20 PM


Jim Bob Cooter has a great name, perfect for an Appalachian school like Tennessee. For that reason alone, I hope it's him. 

(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/bc/3b/51/bc3b516197c400103313f44a32072867--dukes-of-hazard-hazzard.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Riffraft on November 26, 2017, 10:42:23 PM
Our athletic director is stupid. Firing TG was beyond stupid. I'm not happy about this at all.
Most of the fans here in Phoenix that I know are not happy about it either. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 26, 2017, 10:43:21 PM
if you had said "talking head looking for attention in his miserable existence" taking a hit out on Schiano that would have been one thing.... but you blame the UT base for being incited by someone who ought to have kept his damn mouth shut, which is altogether different.  

again and for the last time:  it was handled amateurishly.  this is why PR's 'leak', strategically... to avoid matters like this.  the entire thing has been botched, and blown up to the point it can't be contained.  it is beyond ridiculous.   meanwhile, some dumb shit who spotted an opportunity and fanned the flames is basking in what he sought- attention.  and a bunch of people who've been misinformed that GS had anything to do with PSU's terrible circumstance whatsoever feel justified and self-righteous in their behavior. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MarqHusker on November 26, 2017, 10:52:16 PM
In our business,  we have what are called LOIs (letter of intent), at times we use a memo of understanding.   In our world, they do have financial consequences when a party walks away before core services begin.   I will be interested to learn about this situation.   We might see something like party A owes party B  X% of expected value,  or some fixed sum, based on expected costs of undertaking the services at the outset.  In the high dollar world of college coaching, I wouldn't be surprised if UT owes Schiano a year's pay.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 26, 2017, 10:56:41 PM
Iowa State's Matt Campbell turned Tennessee's overtures towards him down per Pete Thamel of Yahoo Sports.

Yeah, they are going to have a tough time finding a coach I think.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 26, 2017, 10:57:37 PM
if there was no contract, and just a LoI or MoA/MoU, he'll have to prove damages to get a penny... add to that there is a three day right to rescind in tennessee... it all hinges on if there was in fact a contract offered by haslam two weeks ago.    
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 26, 2017, 10:59:01 PM
What did the AD think was going to happen?  

He plays it close to the vest, teasing things like 'the fans will be happy', going to the Bahamas, making everyone think it's a done deal, trip to Tampa with no news of the outcome, etc....stringing you guys along.

Then it's Greg Schiano.  No offense to him, but when you're pretending to have Gruden in your pocket, yes, Schiano is going to upset people.  Really upset them.  And if it wasn't some BS about Penn State and it wasn't Schiano, it'd be some BS about something else about whatever other non-Gruden coach it'd be.

Sad.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: WhiskeyM on November 26, 2017, 11:02:26 PM
In our business,  we have what are called LOIs (letter of intent), at times we use a memo of understanding.   In our world, they do have financial consequences when a party walks away before core services begin.   I will be interested to learn about this situation.   We might see something like party A owes party B  X% of expected value,  or some fixed sum, based on expected costs of undertaking the services at the outset.  In the high dollar world of college coaching, I wouldn't be surprised if UT owes Schiano a year's pay.
In our industry we use Memorandum Of Understanding (MOU).  It is signed by both parties, and it is absolutely a binding agreement.  I'm curious where this goes with Schiano.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 26, 2017, 11:13:57 PM
I hate to see Politics rearing it's ugly head in my Football world at an ever increasing rate. 

I know it's somewhat inevitable, with Public Universities dominating the scene. 

But I sure do miss having football as an "escape" for such things. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 26, 2017, 11:14:08 PM
Schiano isn't the savior some here make him out to be... decent coach no doubt... nowhere near the promised 'ground shaking' hire straight up promised, and then all the innuendo of huge names that ANY (real) UT fan would have been happy with such as Patterson, (who was snubbed for Kiffin, and later snubbed Hart in '12, and who just yesterday signed an extension and got a huge bonus), Petersen (which driveled out from straight up official sources starting Friday- another ANY real UT fan would appreciate), and of course the ever present fantasy of Gruden which they simply wouldn't kabosh when they had every opportunity to do so multiple times.  then..... out of the clear blue we're to believe that Schiano was chosen (all the while leaking through official persons the hope of Petersen?) and acting like he is a good choice in comparison? 

Currie straight up said in a presser that 'money is no object' and blah blah blah... and does this on the heels of finishing the worst season in UT history with less than 12 hours to gauge response?  

it is a freaking joke- and I get it- it's a joke on UT and their fans that everyone is enjoying... fairly earned.  and a ghost that will haunt the program forever was born today, in a bed of pure bull shit..  it simply defies anything reasonable.  And though i don't think Schiano is all what (especially tOSU fans) think he is- i think he's a decent coach and maybe a decent guy (don't know him, can't say) i don't for a second believe he fits the bill of 'what was promised'.   that would be reserved for a Petersen or Patterson or even a Mullen- hell, a Leech or a Norvelle wouldn't have been met with near the revolt... 

so... think on that... Norvelle would have been less welcomed than the prior mentioned, and even enthusiasts would have been greeted with a shoulder shrug, but not near with the revolt of Schiano.  that was just DUMB.  and a talking head got the splash he sought... 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 26, 2017, 11:18:29 PM
On the OSU boards a lot of posters were ready to pack his bags for him when the news initially broke. 

I've certainly never heard of him referred to as a "Saviour"

Of course I was also unaware that he was such a controversial character. So what do I know. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 26, 2017, 11:21:33 PM
Schiano isn't the savior some here make him out to be... decent coach no doubt... nowhere near the promised 'ground shaking' hire straight up promised, and then all the innuendo of huge names that ANY (real) UT fan would have been happy with such as Patterson, (who was snubbed for Kiffin, and later snubbed Hart in '12, and who just yesterday signed an extension and got a huge bonus), Petersen (which driveled out from straight up official sources starting Friday- another ANY real UT fan would appreciate), and of course the ever present fantasy of Gruden which they simply wouldn't kabosh when they had every opportunity to do so multiple times.  then..... out of the clear blue we're to believe that Schiano was chosen (all the while leaking through official persons the hope of Petersen?) and acting like he is a good choice in comparison?

Currie straight up said in a presser that 'money is no object' and blah blah blah... and does this on the heels of finishing the worst season in UT history with less than 12 hours to gauge response?  

it is a freaking joke- and I get it- it's a joke on UT and their fans that everyone is enjoying... fairly earned.  and a ghost that will haunt the program forever was born today, in a bed of pure bull shit..  it simply defies anything reasonable.  And though i don't think Schiano is all what (especially tOSU fans) think he is- i think he's a decent coach and maybe a decent guy (don't know him, can't say) i don't for a second believe he fits the bill of 'what was promised'.   that would be reserved for a Petersen or Patterson or even a Mullen- hell, a Leech or a Norvelle wouldn't have been met with near the revolt...

so... think on that... Norvelle would have been less welcomed than the prior mentioned, and even enthusiasts would have been greeted with a shoulder shrug, but not near with the revolt of Schiano.  that was just DUMB.  and a talking head got the splash he sought...
Even if you think he is a horrible coach, your fan base and a radio boob are convicting him of something he clearly did not do, that would be disgusting if he did it. 
Makes me sick about the world we live in. 
The article Mdot posted says it all
https://www.mediaite.com/online/the-twitter-mob-is-trying-to-destroy-greg-schiano-and-they-are-100-wrong/
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 26, 2017, 11:24:03 PM
On the OSU boards a lot of posters were ready to pack his bags for him when the news initially broke.

I've certainly never heard of him referred to as a "Saviour"

Of course I was also unaware that he was such a controversial character. So what do I know.
I would love him to stay.  Cranking out top 15 or better defenses, and NFL draft picks at a historic pace, is hard to replace.
And he is not a controversial figure,as a college coach.  His players today, and their families, love the guy.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 26, 2017, 11:30:58 PM
i agree. i'm not arguing to the contrary. you get that right?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 26, 2017, 11:31:45 PM
Schiano isn't the savior some here make him out to be... decent coach no doubt... nowhere near the promised 'ground shaking' hire straight up promised, and then all the innuendo of huge names that ANY (real) UT fan would have been happy with such as Patterson, (who was snubbed for Kiffin, and later snubbed Hart in '12, and who just yesterday signed an extension and got a huge bonus), Petersen (which driveled out from straight up official sources starting Friday- another ANY real UT fan would appreciate), and of course the ever present fantasy of Gruden which they simply wouldn't kabosh when they had every opportunity to do so multiple times.  then..... out of the clear blue we're to believe that Schiano was chosen (all the while leaking through official persons the hope of Petersen?) and acting like he is a good choice in comparison?

Currie straight up said in a presser that 'money is no object' and blah blah blah... and does this on the heels of finishing the worst season in UT history with less than 12 hours to gauge response?  

it is a freaking joke- and I get it- it's a joke on UT and their fans that everyone is enjoying... fairly earned.  and a ghost that will haunt the program forever was born today, in a bed of pure bull shit..  it simply defies anything reasonable.  And though i don't think Schiano is all what (especially tOSU fans) think he is- i think he's a decent coach and maybe a decent guy (don't know him, can't say) i don't for a second believe he fits the bill of 'what was promised'.   that would be reserved for a Petersen or Patterson or even a Mullen- hell, a Leech or a Norvelle wouldn't have been met with near the revolt...

so... think on that... Norvelle would have been less welcomed than the prior mentioned, and even enthusiasts would have been greeted with a shoulder shrug, but not near with the revolt of Schiano.  that was just DUMB.  and a talking head got the splash he sought...
here's the thing: Tennessee isn't getting a Patterson or Peterson or any big name.

Schiano was probably the best they were going to get. And with the way the morons on the internets trashed him- causing the deal to fall apart- good luck finding anybody who would want to take that job now.

Schiano is 100% a legit coach. He is NOT Butch Jones or Derek Dooley or even Lane Kiffen. Schinao is legit- unlike those 3 losers. Yeah he flopped in the NFL- but so what. Damn near EVERY college coach that has ever made that jump has flopped in the NFL. It's REALLY HARD.

He was a heck of an assistant coach in college for Penn State, Miami, and Ohio State- and he built Rutgers from the ashes into a legitimate P5 program. There is NO WAY IN HELL they ever get a bid to join the B1G without him. What he did there- was NOT an easy thing to do.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 26, 2017, 11:33:46 PM
I would love him to stay.  Cranking out top 15 or better defenses, and NFL draft picks at a historic pace, is hard to replace.
And he is not a controversial figure,as a college coach.  His players today, and their families, love the guy.
I agree, and suspect that they were lashing out in a "preemptive break up" sorta way. 
A lot of no wonder the D looked like crap against Iowa. Schiano's mind was in Tennessee sorta posts.
As a fan base we've been conditioned by Urban that assistant coaches are on a two year commitment that works both ways. 
So we sorta new he'd use this job as a launch pad to another gig. Now it looks like he might stick around, which would please me. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 26, 2017, 11:38:25 PM
blah blah blah... UT WILL hire a big name. this isn't over yet by a long shot.. it's STILL UT, and they have the money this time around.  they just made it harder than it should have been.  if friggin' Currie is fired, and Blackburn gets the nod, or even Fulmer as an interim, the car will be back on the tracks.  as bad as Hart was, his 'get rich quick' BS which led to his lack of popularity loaded the UT coffers.... and unless Schiano makes off with $20M for nothing, they still have it. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 26, 2017, 11:48:40 PM
if they were willing to pay the 9 mil buyout for the coach in Ames, they have cash

9 million, 20 million

big dollars, but not for a group of donors of substance
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 26, 2017, 11:49:27 PM
you guys are going to wind up with Brady Hoke. Calling it now.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 26, 2017, 11:53:53 PM
blah blah blah... UT WILL hire a big name. this isn't over yet by a long shot.. it's STILL UT, and they have the money this time around.  they just made it harder than it should have been.  if friggin' Currie is fired, and Blackburn gets the nod, or even Fulmer as an interim, the car will be back on the tracks.  as bad as Hart was, his 'get rich quick' BS which led to his lack of popularity loaded the UT coffers.... and unless Schiano makes off with $20M for nothing, they still have it.
Heh, the money helps. 
When OSU fired Thad Matta, Chris Holtmann was the first choice. He turned it down along with a few others, so the AD circled back around and made Holtmann an offer that he couldn't refuse.
That said, I don't know if Tennessee can afford to do that with Jon Gruden. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 26, 2017, 11:54:20 PM
i've already called that.  Hoke will be there next season by my reckoning.  he will wear 'interim' all the same, until the real coach is found.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 27, 2017, 12:05:46 AM
the whole Gruden thing... grrrrr... 

yeah, they talked to him- that's a fact.  they shot for him that's also a fact... my personal opinion is that he either accepted an invitation or offered his services as an adviser... hence all the discussion with him, and the care not to write him off- he WAS 'helping'.. 

UT has always had a dream of finding the next diamond in the rough... as if they are savants of some sort... and if they can't catch a 'Jones' or a Kiffin or a what the hell were they thinking in retrospect Dooley then it better be a mountain of a presence in a known entity, and there sits gruden in their sites.  dumb as shit.  but, i've little doubt the conversation went from "you want a job?" to "well, how would you go about this?" in short order.  

there is no confidence in the AD after Hamilton, Hart, and now Currie- i'd be shocked if he survives this... some places are already saying he's gone/done.  that opens a friggin barn door for clowns like Haslam to enter, who was an official member of the 'committee'... why? stupidity... this isn't rocket science, it's more like deer hunting... the best thing to do first being "stay still, see what comes to you", second, gauge interest in targets.. third, seek them out and see it through all the while keeping an eye on what's happening around you.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 27, 2017, 12:06:36 AM
you guys are going to wind up with Brady Hoke. Calling it now.
Thread winner. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 27, 2017, 01:04:02 AM
blah blah blah... UT WILL hire a big name. this isn't over yet by a long shot.. it's STILL UT,
ehhh...ummm....yeah....no.  Nope.  Sorry.  OJ land.
UT stands for "ut oh" now.  Hey, at least at Vandy when you go winless in conference games, you get a great education.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 27, 2017, 10:13:39 AM
Yes, he was shouting "FUMBLE! THAT'S A FUMBLE!" when it happened because HE GENUINELY BELIEVED it was a fumble. Your dishonest implication is he was telling his player to cheat, he directly ordered a player to cheat. There is video proof THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. Keep failing Ty, it's free amusement today.
He wasn't hollering fumble. He was hollering though.

Graham: "There's a human element to this game...Obviously that was a very unusual deal...Even I was hollering to get on the ball."

Doesn't really matter at this point. The record says what it says. I think what I think. Nothing is going to change, as in, ever.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: grillrat on November 27, 2017, 10:15:52 AM
Currently looks like Tennessee is looking at Brohm and Tee Martin.

Here's hoping that Brohm isn't the kind of guy to leave a place after just one year.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 27, 2017, 10:17:20 AM
Currently looks like Tennessee is looking at Brohm and Tee Martin.

Here's hoping that Brohm isn't the kind of guy to leave a place after just one year.
I couldn't see that happening. Purdue needs to do something to lock the guy up though, so his name doesn't come up every year.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 27, 2017, 10:19:56 AM
Currently looks like Tennessee is looking at Brohm and Tee Martin.

Here's hoping that Brohm isn't the kind of guy to leave a place after just one year.
I don't think Tee is ready for a big time job yet.
At this point, they might be better off bringing in someone a little older for like 3-4 years, and name Tee coach in waiting.  Jeff Tedford has had a remarkable turnaround at Fresno State in his first year there.  But he's at his alma mater, he's done the P5 thing, he may not be interested.  But something like Tedford, with Martin as OC/CIW could be better than anything on the table.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 27, 2017, 10:22:05 AM
Cutcliffe and Martin would be a home run set of hires in my opinion. Been saying it for weeks. The ship gets straitened out and you secure your future at the same time. Win-win.

The key would be if Cut would do it or not.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on November 27, 2017, 10:28:21 AM
Cutcliffe and Martin would be a home run set of hires in my opinion. Been saying it for weeks. The ship gets straitened out and you secure your future at the same time. Win-win.

The key would be if Cut would do it or not.
Coach Cut turned UT down before, right?  When they hired Jones?
He's an older guy and is very happy here in Durham.  He gets Duke to bowl games and is seen like a savior.  Why would he want the added pressure?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 27, 2017, 10:37:53 AM
it's hard to say what Cut would do now... to my knowledge he hasn't been approached- when he should have been right off the bat- maybe even prior to releasing Jones... like, last Summer early... they knew what what going to happen, and Jones had a chance- but it was no secret it was 'do or die'... you'd think they would have plan B and C staged... 

the issue last time with Cut was Hart.  Hamilton prior to that.  nobody wanted to work for UT under either of those.  there was light at the end of the tunnel with Currie, but that has turned on a dime at this point.  absolute crazytown. 

imHo, the only hope Currie has right now is a headshot knockout punch- the score card has buried him.  nothing that has happened in the last 48 hours has helped lure anyone to that job.  it may be beneficial to slow down and draft another time line and rebuild expectations.  if Currie is fired today, that'll likely be the case........ and if Fulmer is intro'd as interim- then there is a definite Cut connection... lotsa 'if's'. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 27, 2017, 10:45:39 AM
Fire Currie. Hire Fulmer. Hire Cut. Hire Tee.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 27, 2017, 11:02:26 AM
Fire Currie. Hire Fulmer. Hire Cut. Hire Tee.
agreed.... and then?  circle the wagons, put their heads down in their homework and get to work not leaking a dang thing about anything... 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Entropy on November 27, 2017, 11:05:30 AM
FWIW, CFN, the old Mothership, recommends these 5 guys for Arizona State's consideration.

Kevin Sumlin: He didn’t fit at Texas A&M, but ASU might be the right spot for a great guy, high-octane offensive coach.

Charlie Strong: Maybe, the idea is to defense to combat the rest of the Pac-12 offenses – and what’s coming at UCLA.

Mike Norvell: The Memphis head man is going to be part of the coaching carousel, and he certainly knows ASU as the former offensive coordinator.

Jeff Tedford: What he did in one year at Fresno State is nothing short of amazing. He certainly knows the Pac-12, and he proved he certainly knows how to coach.

Jim Bob Cooter: If AD Ray Anderson really likes the NFL style, the guy who’s making the Detroit offense go is soon going to be a big name.
I've developed the opinion that a great offensive mind  > a great defensive mind in CF today.   I wouldn't solve my problems by hiring a Def HC... UNLESS he has a bright minded and creative OC.   However, most Def HC seem to want to go with a more conservative approach on O and I'm not sure the way CF is played today, that is the right call.  jmo
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Entropy on November 27, 2017, 11:13:21 AM
a little late to the party, but....

Chip to UCLA makes a lot of sense.  I think for Chip this is a better move than Florida.   He knows the West Coast and his style of play fits the PAC better than the SEC.   He fits the culture better as well.

Mullen to Florida.. great move by Mullen, imo.   He knows recruiting in the south and a talent rich state like Mississippi.   Now, moving to Florida, I'm sure his options just expand.  He knows the conference, goes to a program that has more of basically everything than Miss st and is not longer the looking up at other programs around him.   One result of this may end up giving bama more access to Mississippi recruits..  This could be viewed as a win for bama as well.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 27, 2017, 11:25:12 AM
ANNOUNCEMENT:  The new coach of the Tennessee Volunteers, and a hire that will bring peace and stability to the program, we'd alike to announce Lane Kiffin.

(https://images.gr-assets.com/hostedimages/1380396733ra/765033.gif)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: EastAthens on November 27, 2017, 11:54:20 AM
FWIW, CFN, the old Mothership, recommends these 5 guys for Arizona State's consideration.

Kevin Sumlin: He didn’t fit at Texas A&M, but ASU might be the right spot for a great guy, high-octane offensive coach.

Charlie Strong: Maybe, the idea is to defense to combat the rest of the Pac-12 offenses – and what’s coming at UCLA.

Mike Norvell: The Memphis head man is going to be part of the coaching carousel, and he certainly knows ASU as the former offensive coordinator.

Jeff Tedford: What he did in one year at Fresno State is nothing short of amazing. He certainly knows the Pac-12, and he proved he certainly knows how to coach.

Jim Bob Cooter: If AD Ray Anderson really likes the NFL style, the guy who’s making the Detroit offense go is soon going to be a big name.
I would look at Jeremy Pruitt, he is going to be a good coach for someone. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Entropy on November 27, 2017, 12:55:11 PM
http://usatodayhss.com/2017/greg-schiano-tennessee-new-jersey-high-schools (http://usatodayhss.com/2017/greg-schiano-tennessee-new-jersey-high-schools)

NJ HS's backing Schiano
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 27, 2017, 01:00:22 PM
Why don't the Vols just hire the Memphis coach? 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 27, 2017, 01:07:12 PM
Norvell is a good coach and a good man by all accounts... he was spoken of early and then it died.  

the latest wrinkle in this train wreck of a soap opera is that Currie and Schiano had contact about the vacancy even prior to Jones being released created the 'vacancy'.  If this is so, he went straight to his 'buddy' and never even really considered anyone else, which is further indictment on Currie. 

this is astounding... the entire thing... it's shameful.  just like a train wreck, i can't look away no matter how hard i try.  

i'll be surprised if Currie is still the AD in 24 hours.   
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 27, 2017, 01:08:40 PM
Why don't the Vols just hire the Memphis coach?
Mike Norvell is from Texas and played college ball in Arkansas. Before he got the Memphis job, he travelled the world with Todd Graham as Graham was in his dream job quest.

I've heard him mention as a candidate for the Arkansas job.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 27, 2017, 01:09:22 PM
i'll be surprised if Currie is still the AD in 24 hours.  
I'm surprised he is still the AD right now.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2017, 01:14:21 PM
http://usatodayhss.com/2017/greg-schiano-tennessee-new-jersey-high-schools (http://usatodayhss.com/2017/greg-schiano-tennessee-new-jersey-high-schools)

NJ HS's backing Schiano
Tennesse's "QB of the future" was a 4* out of New Jersey.

New Jersey produceds A TON of talent year in year out. Would be kinda funny if New Jersey coaches started shunning Tennessee away from their players. Reap what you sow.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Shiner on November 27, 2017, 01:33:37 PM
why would Jimbo leave a great job for a mediocre one? Makes no sense. FSU- man that's a great job.
I'm curious what makes A&M a "mediocre" job.  No doubt FSU is a good gig and would be tough to leave... but the A&M job is not exactly chopped liver.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 27, 2017, 01:35:41 PM
aTm is a pretty good gig. 

Not quite a "helmet" school though, whereas FSU obviously is.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2017, 01:42:50 PM
yeah that was probably a poor choice of words on my part. A&M is definitely a pretty good job. But the pressure there is insane. It's unrealistic. You have a fan base who thinks they are something they are not. The pressure there is nuts. A&M is the #2 school in the state of Texas and always will be. I can't even name a former A&M player other than Johnny Foosball- and that guy is an embarrassment.

A&M just pushed Sumlin out of the door- a guy who won about 70% of his games and had a winning bowl record.

If A&M didn't have those kind of insane unrealistic expectations, it'd be a heck of a job.

All things considered, FSU is definitely a better job than A&M.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Shiner on November 27, 2017, 01:46:09 PM
aTm is a pretty good gig.

Not quite a "helmet" school though, whereas FSU obviously is.
Wouldn't argue that... I'm just curious how FSU being a "helmet" school actually benefits Fisher?  History is certainly one thing, perhaps the biggest... I wonder what else.  
If A&M goes 12-0... they'd be in the playoffs just as assuredly as FSU would.  A&M has some intangibles like a bigger stadium, bigger fanbase, plays in arguably a higher prestige conference which I'm not sure how much any of that is valued.  But one thing that does matter is A&M pays better apparently.  A&M certainly has more cash and better facilities to play with than FSU does, which has been a gripe of Fisher's at FSU for awhile now.  Interesting that in the arms race of college football, a non-helmet school like A&M has significantly more to play with.  
Again.... when it gets right down to it.... I'm just curious what the helmet status of FSU is getting for Fisher that he wouldn't get at A&M because it doesn't appear to be much.  
I guess the point is... if helmet status matter that much... then Fisher wouldn't even be considering the A&M job, but by all accounts.... he is.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 27, 2017, 01:50:11 PM
Coaches walk when money talks. 

Jimbo is yours if you want him. 

All you have to do is make an offer that he can't refuse.

Simple as that. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Shiner on November 27, 2017, 01:52:12 PM
yeah that was probably a poor choice of words on my part. A&M is definitely a pretty good job. But the pressure there is insane. It's unrealistic. You have a fan base who thinks they are something they are not. The pressure there is nuts. A&M is the #2 school in the state of Texas and always will be. I can't even name a former A&M player other than Johnny Foosball- and that guy is an embarrassment.

A&M just pushed Sumlin out of the door- a guy who won about 70% of his games and had a winning bowl record.

If A&M didn't have those kind of insane unrealistic expectations, it'd be a heck of a job.

All things considered, FSU is definitely a better job than A&M.
I assume your presumption that A&M is #2 in the state of Texas is based of "helmet" status again.  Again, I'm wondering what that's getting the horns right now.  A&M has had a better record than Texas for a few years now, despite playing in a tougher conference.  Helmet status doesn't seem to be helping out the horns much lately.  They just got beat by Texas Tech.  
As for A&M's expectations... they are no higher than any other big school's expectations given the resources at its disposal.  

Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Shiner on November 27, 2017, 01:53:28 PM
Coaches walk when money talks.

Jimbo is yours if you want him.

All you have to do is make an offer that he can't refuse.

Simple as that.
Yep.. Very true.  And A&M may just do that.  Funny how a non-helmet can pay more than a helmet.  Oh well.
As a fan... I'm not sure he'd be my first choice.... but the powers that be didn't give me a call and ask.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2017, 02:14:03 PM
Fox Sports Bruce Feldman reporting that Tennessee zeroing in on USC OC Tee Martin. I think that'd be a pretty solid hire considering the mess that Tennessee is in right now, but it's still a risk. Martin hasn't really done anything yet in his brief coaching career. He's been an OC for all of 2 years. That's a pretty big jump to go from OC to head man in charge. Martin is a gamble. High reward, but that's high risk as well. Tennessee better hope he's up to the job because another dud hire and they might not recover for a long long time.

If they wind up with Martin, tells you all you need to know about how other coaches view that job. Means they'll have been turned down left and right and land on about their 10th option. Schiano was probably option #4 and he took the job. Matt Campbell just turned them down.

Damn. What a shit show. That AD should be fired. Like now. Right now.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 27, 2017, 02:28:45 PM
FSU is not a helmet school in my book.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2017, 02:35:43 PM
FSU is not a helmet school in my book.
I'd agree with that. Pretty close though, and still a better job than tA&M.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 27, 2017, 02:54:53 PM
I've developed the opinion that a great offensive mind  > a great defensive mind in CF today.   I wouldn't solve my problems by hiring a Def HC... UNLESS he has a bright minded and creative OC.   However, most Def HC seem to want to go with a more conservative approach on O and I'm not sure the way CF is played today, that is the right call.  jmo
I'm the exact opposite.  I want my brightest offensive mind calling plays, and I don't want that to be the head coach.  I'd much rather pair a defensive minded head coach with a brilliant OC than vice versa
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2017, 03:03:30 PM
I'm the exact opposite.  I want my brightest offensive mind calling plays, and I don't want that to be the head coach.  I'd much rather pair a defensive minded head coach with a brilliant OC than vice versa
I think I'm with you. New England has the perfect set up. Defensive "guru" HC who completely entrusts his QB and "innovative" OC to do as they please on offense. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 27, 2017, 03:04:44 PM
I'm the exact opposite.  I want my brightest offensive mind calling plays, and I don't want that to be the head coach.  I'd much rather pair a defensive minded head coach with a brilliant OC than vice versa
meanwhile..... some folks would settle for just a coach... :91::57:

and don't ya know things are getting even weirder on the hill?  

it's a train wreck i just can't look away from... maybe it would be easier if those weren't my people?  I cry y'alls pardon, but this is still unimaginable to me, yet...... it happened and is still happening?  it was no dream, y'all... 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 27, 2017, 03:13:15 PM
as far as arrangement of coaching talents... 

Frost is a hands on coach- even donning equipment at one point this season pretending to be that week's opposition 'option' QB... it doesn't get more hands on than that, and i wager is players responded accordingly "he's one of us" in a Big Brother role... 

Saban is a stand and review coach- micromanages his coordinators "let me see the drill... no, run it some more, when you've got it right come back to me" and is quick to dress down someone on the staff... I rarely see him go after players.  

Meyer is a father figure "do it this way and trust the wisdom of that to me"- engaged in seeing his players succeed from right above them not one person removed. 

Les Miles was a "I'll trust you when the chips are down" type. 

i think the point i'm trying to make is in each instance the players trusted the coach, and more importantly the coach trusts the players.  practice is when you ride the players w/o mercy and to the point of almost breaking them- a game is when you cut them loose to show off what they've learned... it's almost 'hands off' except to the point of correction.  successful coaches, no matter their style or which side of the ball their expertise resides all share this.  those who have trouble lack trust- either giving or gaining. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on November 27, 2017, 04:19:45 PM
I'd agree with that. Pretty close though, and still a better job than tA&M.
Yep.  Just because a school might have more money, better facilities, better weather, better recruiting opportunities, etc. than a helmet, does not necessarily make that school a helmet.
Some schools dwarf Alabama in terms of recruiting access, fan base, or money (Florida, aTm, UGA etc), but it doesn't make them better jobs by any stretch.  Decades and decades of consistent success defines a helmet school.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 27, 2017, 06:52:17 PM
as far as arrangement of coaching talents...

Frost is a hands on coach- even donning equipment at one point this season pretending to be that week's opposition 'option' QB... it doesn't get more hands on than that, and i wager is players responded accordingly "he's one of us" in a Big Brother role...

Saban is a stand and review coach- micromanages his coordinators "let me see the drill... no, run it some more, when you've got it right come back to me" and is quick to dress down someone on the staff... I rarely see him go after players.  

Meyer is a father figure "do it this way and trust the wisdom of that to me"- engaged in seeing his players succeed from right above them not one person removed.

Les Miles was a "I'll trust you when the chips are down" type.

i think the point i'm trying to make is in each instance the players trusted the coach, and more importantly the coach trusts the players.  practice is when you ride the players w/o mercy and to the point of almost breaking them- a game is when you cut them loose to show off what they've learned... it's almost 'hands off' except to the point of correction.  successful coaches, no matter their style or which side of the ball their expertise resides all share this.  those who have trouble lack trust- either giving or gaining.
You forgot the Bobby Bowden style of coaching - wander around wondering what's going on.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 27, 2017, 06:57:28 PM
He had a winning record vs Spurrier
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2017, 07:14:55 PM
You forgot the Bobby Bowden style of coaching - wander around wondering what's going on.
hey- that style didn't work that well for Brady Hoke. Maybe Bobby had the advantage because he wore a headset?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 27, 2017, 07:24:29 PM
LMAO at Jason Witten - a current NFL player - having to say he's not a candidate to coach the Vols.  FFS!  Any truth to the rumor that anyone who's ever driven through Knoxville should submit their resume????
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 27, 2017, 07:27:11 PM
LMAO at Jason Witten - a current NFL player - having to say he's not a candidate to coach the Vols.  FFS!  Any truth to the rumor that anyone who's ever driven through Knoxville should submit their resume????
it defies belief, huh?  it's absolute insanity. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 27, 2017, 07:37:32 PM
I'm the exact opposite.  I want my brightest offensive mind calling plays, and I don't want that to be the head coach.  I'd much rather pair a defensive minded head coach with a brilliant OC than vice versa
What UW has is a little different from what you say. The HC calls all the plays in consultation with his OC, and he leaves the defense to his defensive coordinator with complete autonomy. I should say, three years and three defensive coordinators, but that's not the point

I think the current DC is going to stick around for a while, but I could see a huge demand for him in another year or two. Pretty clear he has a brilliant mind for defense.

I could also see teams coming after the OC, simply for his ability to make wrinkles in the run game, building an offensive line and recruiting Ohio.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 27, 2017, 07:39:52 PM
Bill Callahan is still coaching, Bo Pelini could be had, Frank Solich has a few good years left, Tom Osborne is only 2 years older than Bill Snyder

hey, Wild Bill Synder!  He has shown he can turn around a program

speaking of old guys, Mike Riley says he wants to continue

go after PJ Fleck, I heard the Vols have a friggin Navy!
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 27, 2017, 07:42:02 PM
don't think it matters at all if the head guy was Offense or defense

heck, Frost has been both, many guys have coached both sides of the ball

many coordinators can't seem to make the transition to the head guy

some can, regardless of offense or defense preference
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 27, 2017, 07:46:03 PM
don't think it matters at all if the head guy was Offense or defense

heck, Frost has been both, many guys have coached both sides of the ball

many coordinators can't seem to make the transition to the head guy

some can, regardless of offense or defense preference
UW's current ILB coach spent his whole life as an OL coach. So, yeah. Look at the ILB's for UW right now...
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 27, 2017, 07:50:42 PM
I still can't believe that Mark Mangino was never given another chance. 

In hindsight, he was practically performing miracles at Kansas. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on November 27, 2017, 08:17:57 PM
I still can't believe that Mark Mangino was never given another chance.

In hindsight, he was practically performing miracles at Kansas.
+1
BTW if I'm hiring a head coach I'm calling Joe Moorhead first and Don Brown second. Both are phenomenal coordinators with strong head coaching experience.  Why aren't these guys hot names? 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2017, 08:21:26 PM
+1
BTW if I'm hiring a head coach I'm calling Joe Moorhead first and Don Brown second. Both are phenomenal coordinators with strong head coaching experience.  Why aren't these guys hot names?
Don Brown is on the old side- he'll be 64 next year- and hasn't been a head coach in a decade. He's also pretty highly compensated- making well over $1 mil a year and he basically has complete autonomy on defense. He basically came out and said last year that he's not looking to be a head coach.

Moorehead will get his shot soon enough. He's 44- gonna be 45 next year so he's relatively young. 1-2 more years at Penn State putting up the kind of numbers his offenses have and he'll get a HC job before you know it.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2017, 08:23:49 PM
LMAO at Jason Witten - a current NFL player - having to say he's not a candidate to coach the Vols.  FFS!  Any truth to the rumor that anyone who's ever driven through Knoxville should submit their resume????
yeah that was unbelievable. A current NFL player- who has never been a coach a day in his life- would just retire in the middle of an NFL season and go be the head coach at a P5 school? LMAO. Delusional.

Think that was just a rumor started by that douche nozzle Clay Travis on twitter. I think that moron actually thinks in his demented head that would've been a better hire for Tennessee than Schiano.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on November 27, 2017, 08:26:12 PM
Don Brown is on the old side- he'll be 64 next year- and hasn't been a head coach in a decade. He's also pretty highly compensated- making well over $1 mil a year and he basically has complete autonomy on defense.
Moorehead will get his shot soon enough. He's 44- gonna be 45 next year so he's relatively young. 1-2 more years at Penn State putting up the kind of numbers his offenses have and he'll get a HC job before you know it.
I'm sorry, but those are awful excuses.  Most contracts are five or six years and I've not heard any talk of Brown retiring anytime soon.  Plus P5 salaries would easily surpass what he's making.  Moorhead is young?  So what?  P5 athletic directors are way, way too caught up in maintaining the status quo and taking this line of thinking.  "Well, he's one of the best coordinators in the nation and he was a great head coach, buuuut I like my coaches between the ages of 50-54 so we're gonna pass."
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2017, 08:31:53 PM
I'm sorry, but those are awful excuses.  Most contracts are five or six years and I've not heard any talk of Brown retiring anytime soon.  Plus P5 salaries would easily surpass what he's making.  Moorhead is young?  So what?  P5 athletic directors are way, way too caught up in maintaining the status quo and taking this line of thinking.  "Well, he's one of the best coordinators in the nation and he was a great head coach, buuuut I like my coaches between the ages of 50-54 so we're gonna pass."
Nah. I think I'm pretty on the money. Brown isn't in a rush to be a HC. That's why he isn't one. If he wanted an HC job- he could get one. He's gonna be 64. Any job he'd go to would be a rebuild. Not sure he wants to work those hours and put in that effort. Who knows how long he even wants to coach for? Guy is pushing 70. And he's comfortable where he's at and paid very well.

Moorehead will get a head coach job soon. He's only been the OC at Penn State for 2 years.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2017, 08:34:56 PM
if I was Tennessee I'd offer the job to Moorehead. Doubt he'd take it, but I'd absolutely offer it to him.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on November 27, 2017, 08:55:45 PM
I actually heard a landing spot for Moorehead that made a lot of sense - UCF.  It's a good fit for both in my mind.  I like Moorehead but cutting his teeth more at that level makes sense to me rather than diving all in on a pressure cooker like aTm, UT or the likes.  

I will say this - Drew's taking this with a lot of grace and style as a UT fan.  I have a few friends that are UT fans themselves, I think they deserve better.  But there could have been a better way of handling this all around, I think everyone would agree with that.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Shiner on November 27, 2017, 09:01:40 PM
Yep.  Just because a school might have more money, better facilities, better weather, better recruiting opportunities, etc. than a helmet, does not necessarily make that school a helmet.
Some schools dwarf Alabama in terms of recruiting access, fan base, or money (Florida, aTm, UGA etc), but it doesn't make them better jobs by any stretch.  Decades and decades of consistent success defines a helmet school.
True....  but that wasn't the question.  The question was... what does being a helmet school benefit a coach or a potential coach?  This question came about because of Mdot's original assertion that FSU is a better job than the A&M job.

In terms of which is the better job for a potential coach... A&M has a bigger more impressive stadium (recruiting), has better facilities (recruiting), is situated in at least as fertile a recruiting ground, and is apparently willing to pay more to both head coaches and assistant coaches.  There are other potential advantages as well, but I'll stick to the big obvious ones.

Florida State offers "helmet status" (arguable, but I'll concede the point here).

If I'm a coach considering the two... the choices are very comparable at least, if not heavily in A&M's favor when looking at what I would care about and what would help me succeed from a coaching perspective.

Now.... obviously helmet status means something when it comes to schools like Ohio State... or Alabama... or Texas.  Because those schools offer everything that A&M does PLUS helmet status.  FSU doesn't (this of course then begs the question... is FSU really a helmet school, but that's a discussion for a different thread).

There is a reason Jimbo Fisher is considering leaving the job for A&M.  If it was a simple as y'all make it seem, he would've squashed rumors about A&M days ago. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 27, 2017, 09:19:55 PM
I could also see teams coming after the OC, simply for his ability to make wrinkles in the run game, building an offensive line and recruiting Ohio.
What ya did there....i saw it - channeling your inner Barry
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 27, 2017, 09:25:55 PM
Jimbo got cross with the AD or some boosters of substance?

didn't like the way he is treated during a losing season?

doesn't think he's appreciated or respected?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 27, 2017, 09:33:40 PM
Jimbo got cross with the AD or some boosters of substance?

didn't like the way he is treated during a losing season?

doesn't think he's appreciated or respected?
Jimbo?

Hell, I'm fine.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: rook119 on November 27, 2017, 10:38:29 PM
Before the mid-major that your are a fan of goes out and Todd Graham or his next dream job, just keep in mind these stories in just a 11 month tenure at Pitt. 

There was constant berating of the players, most of all Sunseri (who yes wasn't great but was serviceable the previous year) who other teammates though really affected his play. Also statements to players such as "I'll make more than you in a year that you will make in your lifetime." The university had to step in and force him to make a retraction. 

this from the post-gazette

The Steelers practically threw a party when they heard that Pitt coach Todd Graham quit. That goes from the top to the bottom, from those who work in the offices to the coaches and every-day workers who came into contact with Graham and his staff in the building.
They described Graham as an arrogant man who had no use for anything the Steelers might have offered, and they say he resented having to share the building and the indoor practice field at the UPMC complex with them.
Before Graham, the Panthers and the Steelers ate in the same cafeteria, although at different times. Graham came in and put an end to that. The cooks at the cafeteria still prepare the food for the Panthers, but it is then brought over to the other side of the building, where Pitt created its own cafeteria to serve Graham's players and his wishes.
Instead of embracing the advantages that an association with the Steelers might bring, Graham rejected them, even if there was little he could do about the shared facilities. That really came down to just sharing the indoor practice field and the parking lots because everything else is separate, including weight rooms, outdoor practice fields, locker rooms, etc. It's one building, but it's really two, like a big duplex.
Under Chryst and Narduzzi, the Steelers, who probably could say they have better things to do than try to help some medicore P5 squad, make their coaches available to Pitt players and Tomlin has even taken time to speak with potential recruits. 

When rumors were flying that Graham was leaving for ASU, the AD kept calling his house just for an answer about Graham was planning to do. Graham wouldn't pick up his cell phone, so the AD drove to his house. Only TG wouldn't even open the door and yelled through the window to go away

After being interviewed by Wisconsin when the deal was pretty much all but sealed, Chryst went on a recruiting visit for Pitt. 
 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Hawkinole on November 27, 2017, 11:36:53 PM
Jimbo got cross with the AD or some boosters of substance?

didn't like the way he is treated during a losing season?

doesn't think he's appreciated or respected?
One of my buddies from FSU tells me FSU is interested in Scott Frost, now. I never liked Jimbo Fisher. He mumbles. Among other hangups I have with him.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: bayareabadger on November 27, 2017, 11:37:41 PM
Nah. I think I'm pretty on the money. Brown isn't in a rush to be a HC. That's why he isn't one. If he wanted an HC job- he could get one. He's gonna be 64. Any job he'd go to would be a rebuild. Not sure he wants to work those hours and put in that effort. Who knows how long he even wants to coach for? Guy is pushing 70. And he's comfortable where he's at and paid very well.

Moorehead will get a head coach job soon. He's only been the OC at Penn State for 2 years.
Dude inherited a 1-10 FCS team and went 38-13 with three playoff appearances. Before that, he had five years as OC, turning around Akron and then being kinda blah at UConn (first year good, second less so, but with a Fiesta Bowl trip). 
He would've been a good candidate two years ago. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on November 28, 2017, 03:13:32 AM
Before the mid-major that your are a fan of goes out and Todd Graham or his next dream job, just keep in mind these stories in just a 11 month tenure at Pitt.

There was constant berating of the players, most of all Sunseri (who yes wasn't great but was serviceable the previous year) who other teammates though really affected his play. Also statements to players such as "I'll make more than you in a year that you will make in your lifetime." The university had to step in and force him to make a retraction.

this from the post-gazette

The Steelers practically threw a party when they heard that Pitt coach Todd Graham quit. That goes from the top to the bottom, from those who work in the offices to the coaches and every-day workers who came into contact with Graham and his staff in the building.
They described Graham as an arrogant man who had no use for anything the Steelers might have offered, and they say he resented having to share the building and the indoor practice field at the UPMC complex with them.
Before Graham, the Panthers and the Steelers ate in the same cafeteria, although at different times. Graham came in and put an end to that. The cooks at the cafeteria still prepare the food for the Panthers, but it is then brought over to the other side of the building, where Pitt created its own cafeteria to serve Graham's players and his wishes.
Instead of embracing the advantages that an association with the Steelers might bring, Graham rejected them, even if there was little he could do about the shared facilities. That really came down to just sharing the indoor practice field and the parking lots because everything else is separate, including weight rooms, outdoor practice fields, locker rooms, etc. It's one building, but it's really two, like a big duplex.
Under Chryst and Narduzzi, the Steelers, who probably could say they have better things to do than try to help some medicore P5 squad, make their coaches available to Pitt players and Tomlin has even taken time to speak with potential recruits.

When rumors were flying that Graham was leaving for ASU, the AD kept calling his house just for an answer about Graham was planning to do. Graham wouldn't pick up his cell phone, so the AD drove to his house. Only TG wouldn't even open the door and yelled through the window to go away

After being interviewed by Wisconsin when the deal was pretty much all but sealed, Chryst went on a recruiting visit for Pitt.
 
Haha so much of this sounds like undocumented heresay but even if it's all 100% true Graham will be the first to tell anyone going to Pitt in the first place was a mistake he regretted almost immediately. And even more importantly his 6 seasons at ASU he genuinely did treat the school, players, and job itself like a dream job. Team GPA and graduation rate has increased every season under TG. ASU went from one of the most penalized teams in the nation to least immediately when he took over, while off the field trouble was also extremely rare and dealt with when it did happen. He donated half a million of his own money to ASU's stadium rennovation and personally spearheaded a return to spending a week of fall practice at Camp Tontozona, a long storied and beloved ASU tradition that Erickson abandoned.
Basically, even if Graham was the devil incarnate at Pitt he most definitely wasn't at ASU and any mid major who hires him would be lucky to do so.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2017, 06:09:45 AM
So much for my pipe dream of Cutcliffe and Martin together.

From the twitter of Chris Low (ESecPN):

Tennessee has reached out to David Cutcliffe about the Vols' head coaching job, but Cutcliffe informed UT officials that he wasn't interested and plans to finish his coaching career at Duke. The Blue Devils are bowl eligible for the 5th time in the last 6 years.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on November 28, 2017, 07:02:21 AM
Nah. I think I'm pretty on the money. Brown isn't in a rush to be a HC. That's why he isn't one. If he wanted an HC job- he could get one. He's gonna be 64. Any job he'd go to would be a rebuild. Not sure he wants to work those hours and put in that effort. Who knows how long he even wants to coach for? Guy is pushing 70. And he's comfortable where he's at and paid very well.

Moorehead will get a head coach job soon. He's only been the OC at Penn State for 2 years.
Oh you are right, I'm just saying it makes no sense for AD's to think this way.  These guys are strong candidates and they should chase strong candidates.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 28, 2017, 09:36:54 AM
https://www.facebook.com/collegefootballarea51/posts/1985248595093118



heheheehheee!!!!!  :57:
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 28, 2017, 11:14:38 AM
I'm curious what makes A&M a "mediocre" job.  No doubt FSU is a good gig and would be tough to leave... but the A&M job is not exactly chopped liver.
You might've already come across these, but BOTH the Rival's and Scout site's posted their ten reasons "why Sumlin failed."
https://tamu.rivals.com/news/10-reasons-why-sumlin-failed-at-a-m (https://tamu.rivals.com/news/10-reasons-why-sumlin-failed-at-a-m)

https://247sports.com/college/texas-am/Article/Ten-thoughts-Why-Kevin-Sumlin-failed-111184350 (https://247sports.com/college/texas-am/Article/Ten-thoughts-Why-Kevin-Sumlin-failed-111184350)

Even with Johnny Manziel boosting Sumlin's tenure, he was just never able to get control of key aspects of the program - player development, recruiting character issues, hiring assistants, etc. All the shortcuts he took came back at him. And more than anything I'll remember Sumlin's teams as getting worse as the season went along.

He'll have no problem finding another gig, but I'm not sure we'll see anything better than the Pelini plateau of 8-5 or 9-4 wherever Sumlin ends up.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2017, 01:24:41 PM
Sumlin is a really good, not great coach- with questionable off-field activities. Lotta rumors about him being a drunk/prescription pill popper. The idea that he was this amazing coach that was going to bring A&M titles- never really got all the hype on him.
 
He's been good for 8-9 wins a year and every once in awhile he'll get you 11 ish. That program has dealt with a lot of attrition and recruits busting out of the program but he was still able to always win at least 8-9. That's not easy to do. When Michigan went through their run of recruiting busts/attrition like that they had a hard time even winning 5 games a season. So I do give him a lot of credit for the program not just tanking into the abyss.

A&M thought they could do better. Doubt they will, but good luck to them. If I were them I'd go after Joe Moorehead- but that's just me. They seem to want a big sexy name though. It's like a lot of these AD's just want to win the PR battle and the press conference instead of just finding a good coach.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 28, 2017, 01:25:59 PM
the talk now is Gundy to UT.

nuts.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 28, 2017, 01:28:04 PM
the talk now is Gundy to UT.

nuts.
I suppose you get do a lot worse than Gundy for your Plan F
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2017, 01:34:20 PM
If they land Gundy- that's a HOME RUN. Seriously. After this shit show of a circus freak show that has been the Tennessee coaching search- to lure Gundy away from the school that he was a starting QB at- and a school that he's had a ton of success at? Would be a home run.

Gundy can coach offense. What about defense? In the SEC you better have a defense.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 28, 2017, 01:37:29 PM
wanna hear something funny? 

If Gundy falls through, Kiffin has approached UT expressing interest... 

I SWEAR you can't make this stuff up.... 

And: Gundy was my original #4. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2017, 01:42:48 PM
wanna hear something funny?

If Gundy falls through, Kiffin has approached UT expressing interest...

I SWEAR you can't make this stuff up....

And: Gundy was my original #4.
That would be absolutely nuts if Kiffen were hired. It would be one of the most if not the most shocking coaching hire I've ever seen.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 28, 2017, 01:46:52 PM
see my book of face post.... 

drama + drama = the WWE of college football.... 

it would be........ glorious.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2017, 01:50:54 PM
after what Lane did to Tennessee- not sure how they could ever seriously consider him. He talked a big game and recruited very well- and then bolted after 1 year- and it's not like he had a terrible first year- he was 7-6 and 4-4 in conference. It looked like he was maybe gonna actually turn that thing around. How he left was just disgraceful too- trying to get recruits/UT players to follow him to USC.

Not sure how Tennessee could touch that guy with a 10 foot pole. Are the Tennessee fans that crazy? Do they actually want him back? He's proven even less in his uninspiring coaching career than Schiano.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 28, 2017, 01:57:12 PM
I want it just for Lane vs. Nick
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 28, 2017, 01:59:46 PM
i'm just an observer at this point.... and.... Kiffin is about what they(we) deserve.  

@Volsareback (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=9) posted this, and it does a great job of summary for a lot of us:

Quote
I get it

This wasn't about a singular event. This wasn't only about Schiano and Penn State.

It was about Kiffin. It was about Dooley. It was about Jones. 

But, it was also about Pearl, Cuonzo and Tyndall. 

It was about Delmonico, Raleigh and Serrano.

It was about the tragic end of the Pat Summit era and watching that program slowly be just another SEC team under Holly. A good team for sure, but not what once was.

It was about an athletic program that arguably is currently inferior to Vanderbilt.

It was about finishing 13th overall in the SEC men's all-sports standings for 2016-17. It's about not producing a men's SEC championship team since 2011 men's tennis.

It was about an athletic program that has failed and disappointed time and again. And through it all, people continued to cheer, support, travel, pay and hope.....only to be lied to, let down, and forced to endure. 

But, this time would be different. The President of the school changed. The athletic director changed. All of the past failure was well documented. It could not be repeated. It would not be repeated. This time it was going to be different.

And then it wasn't.

And the people, who only have their voices, stood up and said "hell no". As many have pointed out, it united this fan base like nothing else in a decade. Everyone agreed. Everyone had enough. "Hell no". In a matter of a few hours, the push back was so strong that those in power had no choice but to listen.

I know that Tennessee fans are catching hell in some places, but I can only put myself in your shoes and say.... I get it
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 28, 2017, 02:07:32 PM
wanna hear something funny?

If Gundy falls through, Kiffin has approached UT expressing interest...

I SWEAR you can't make this stuff up....

And: Gundy was my original #4.
Hmmmm, and yet...
https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/935175197312847877

https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/935566745355550725
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 28, 2017, 02:14:10 PM
is he related to Trump?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 28, 2017, 02:22:36 PM


Not sure how Tennessee could touch that guy with a 10 foot pole. Are the Tennessee fans that crazy? Do they actually want him back? He's proven even less in his uninspiring coaching career than Schiano.

Yes! Haha, Volzheimer's is a real thing.


With that said I'd love to see Gundy hired.


After the interview I heard that Tennessee Admins will give Gundy a few days to mullet over.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0x9Ub9VIAAPgJt.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on November 28, 2017, 02:31:36 PM
So much for my pipe dream of Cutcliffe and Martin together.

From the twitter of Chris Low (ESecPN):

Tennessee has reached out to David Cutcliffe about the Vols' head coaching job, but Cutcliffe informed UT officials that he wasn't interested and plans to finish his coaching career at Duke. The Blue Devils are bowl eligible for the 5th time in the last 6 years.
Y'all had the insider scoop right here and didn't believe me ;)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on November 28, 2017, 02:35:36 PM
I don't get the Gundy thing.  He's been at his alma mater for a good while with Boone's $$$ in hand.  What's the draw here?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 28, 2017, 02:38:25 PM
I suppose you get do a lot worse than Gundy for your Plan F
S-S-Schwiiing  :clap:
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2017, 02:46:27 PM
I don't get the Gundy thing.  He's been at his alma mater for a good while with Boone's $$$ in hand.  What's the draw here?
same reason Jimmy Johnson left. Will never be able to over-take OU in the state. Plus the state of Oklahoma produce virtually no FBS talent. The state of Tennessee actually does believe it or not. Definitely more talent than the state of Oklahoma.

With that offense- and his history of throwing the ball- Mike Gundy had been the coach, Tennessee probably lands in-state 5* WR Tee Higgins- guy who was the #2 WR in the 2017 class to DPJ.

Tennessee is a better job at the end of the day. Not sure I'd leave though. Tennessee fans are crazy.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on November 28, 2017, 02:50:58 PM
Hearing Joe Moorehead's name with Miss St. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on November 28, 2017, 02:54:16 PM
Lane Kiffin's twitter is an absolute gold mine.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 28, 2017, 03:04:16 PM
Lane Kiffin's twitter is an absolute gold mine.
That's what makes me wonder if he actually wants to get back to a P5 school.  He really seems like he might be way more in his element there, being himself.  Being able to do stuff you can't really do at a Tennessee or a USC.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2017, 03:09:16 PM
Hearing Joe Moorehead's name with Miss St.
he should hold out. He's better than that job.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2017, 03:09:50 PM
That's what makes me wonder if he actually wants to get back to a P5 school.  He really seems like he might be way more in his element there, being himself.  Being able to do stuff you can't really do at a Tennessee or a USC.
agree. He's not a grown up. He belongs where he is at.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 28, 2017, 03:11:03 PM
I don't get the Gundy thing.  He's been at his alma mater for a good while with Boone's $$$ in hand.  What's the draw here?
From Gundy's vantage point, it would behoove him to get a desperate Tennessee program into a bidding war with T Boone Pickens. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2017, 03:26:15 PM
From Gundy's vantage point, it would behoove him to get a desperate Tennessee program into a bidding war with T Boone Pickens.
yeah, really think this is the case. especially since "rumors" are leaking that the Tennessee offer is $8 million a year. That can't possibly true. Can it? I think Gundy is a heckuva coach, but $8 million?

Might just be Gundy trying to get a fat raise from Okie State's sugar daddy.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 28, 2017, 03:28:24 PM
I don't get the Gundy thing.  He's been at his alma mater for a good while with Boone's $$$ in hand.  What's the draw here?
I don't get the Gundy thing.  He's been at his alma mater for a good while with Boone's $$$ in hand.  What's the draw here?
after the way they treated Schiano- this just makes me laugh.  I wouldn't let that bonehead on my campus - unless I could not care less how bad we looked from a public perception standpoint.  Plus- SEC will chew him up and spit him out- unless he does something he has never done before- get a defense.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on November 28, 2017, 03:42:14 PM
Gundy has been there a long time, so there might be an itch to leave.  But whenever wacky numbers get leaked it screams to me that the agent wants the home team to ante up.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on November 28, 2017, 03:52:28 PM
Is UT that much better a job than oSu these days?  I don't think the Vols have the financial backing of someone like ole Boone Pickens.

To put it in perspective - though the chances of either program winning a natty are about the same (i.e. damn near zero), oSu at least competes for conference championships.  Tennessee hasn't even come close in a dog's age.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2017, 04:01:42 PM
Is UT that much better a job than oSu these days?  I don't think the Vols have the financial backing of someone like ole Boone Pickens.

To put it in perspective - though the chances of either program winning a natty are about the same (i.e. damn near zero), oSu at least competes for conference championships.  Tennessee hasn't even come close in a dog's age.
Pickens is one guy. Vols have bigger fan base, alumni base, more donors to pool from. Plus they do have Jimmy Haslam- who owns the Browns and is probably just as rich as Pickens. Both of them are gajillionaires with more money than they could ever spend in 100 lifetimes.

Tennessee is definitely a better job IMO. Still think you can win a national title there. Don't think you could probably ever do that at Oklahoma State.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on November 28, 2017, 04:56:52 PM
Pickens is one guy. Vols have bigger fan base, alumni base, more donors to pool from. Plus they do have Jimmy Haslam- who owns the Browns and is probably just as rich as Pickens. Both of them are gajillionaires with more money than they could ever spend in 100 lifetimes.

Tennessee is definitely a better job IMO. Still think you can win a national title there. Don't think you could probably ever do that at Oklahoma State.

Hahahahahahahaha

On a serious note, even shitty pro teams have uber-wealthy owners.  But the Browns may well be the worst franchise in all of pro sports.  Not really something to be proud of.

That said, Tennessee absolutely does have a huge advantage as far as history goes.  But it's been ten years since they've won their own division (think about it - Missouri won the East twice since then).  Kids these days don't really care if a program won a hundred championships when their grandfathers were duking it out on the gridiron.  They buy into offensive systems, uniforms, access to the NFL, etc, and a lot of non-helmet programs can offer that.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2017, 05:07:11 PM
Hahahahahahahaha

On a serious note, even shitty pro teams have uber-wealthy owners.  But the Browns may well be the worst franchise in all of pro sports.  Not really something to be proud of.

That said, Tennessee absolutely does have a huge advantage as far as history goes.  But it's been ten years since they've won their own division (think about it - Missouri won the East twice since then).  Kids these days don't really care if a program won a hundred championships when their grandfathers were duking it out on the gridiron.  They buy into offensive systems, uniforms, access to the NFL, etc, and a lot of non-helmet programs can offer that.
Tennessee has a stadium that hold 106,000+. They've got tons of tradition. Lot of former and current NFL guys. Facilities. Play in the SEC.
I could definitely see them being "back". All it takes is the right hire.

I mean last recruiting class they were all set to get top rated players at QB/WR- #1 QB in 2017 and the #2 WR. QB Hunter Johnson out of Indiana and WR Tee Higgins from the state of Tennessee were set to come- committed to Butch Jones. Season started to tank, Butch got put on the hot-seat- both of them flipped to Clemson.

They'll be able to recruit talent. If Butch Jones could, a real coach could.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on November 28, 2017, 05:13:58 PM
Tennessee has a stadium that hold 106,000+. They've got tons of tradition. Lot of former and current NFL guys. Facilities. Play in the SEC.
I could definitely see them being "back". All it takes is the right hire.

I mean last recruiting class they were all set to get top rated players at QB/WR- #1 QB in 2017 and the #2 WR. QB Hunter Johnson out of Indiana and WR Tee Higgins from the state of Tennessee were set to come- committed to Butch Jones. Season started to tank, Butch got put on the hot-seat- both of them flipped to Clemson.

They'll be able to recruit talent. If Butch Jones could, a real coach could.
We'll see how serious UT is with their next coaching hire.  They need to stop with the "safe" picks and get someone splashy.  If he didn't burn bridges, Kiffin would be splashy.  Bryan Harsin from Boise State could be decent (he was HC at Arky State and was co-OC at Texas, so he could recruit there).
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2017, 05:23:24 PM
We'll see how serious UT is with their next coaching hire.  They need to stop with the "safe" picks and get someone splashy.  If he didn't burn bridges, Kiffin would be splashy.  Bryan Harsin from Boise State could be decent (he was HC at Arky State and was co-OC at Texas, so he could recruit there).
I think Joe Moorehead would be a heck of a hire.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 28, 2017, 05:28:44 PM
The problem with Tennessee or Nebraska or _________ being "back" is that the wins they get in conference have to come from another team. So, for Tennessee to be "back" it would take Georgia to lose more games. Just an example.

Something must come down for something else to go up.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 28, 2017, 06:12:26 PM
Tennessee has a stadium that hold 106,000+. They've got tons of tradition. Lot of former and current NFL guys. Facilities. Play in the SEC.
I could definitely see them being "back". All it takes is the right hire.

They'll be able to recruit talent. If Butch Jones could, a real coach could.
Read recently fans talking about The Vols last Championship.Back in '98 Clemson was just another program.S.Car/N.Car/NCST also.19-20 yrs later Clemson is a perennial  top 5-10 program.The other 3 have gained enough traction that local talent can stay put.Tennessee use to recruit that area quite heavily and now that vine has appeared to dry up.Miss St has shaken the bogies and Gawja is back in the fray.Simply put it's a lot harder draw now for the Vols than it was then.Sunday's meltdown may have set them back a bit also
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 28, 2017, 06:30:58 PM
When the fans revolt, the athletic dept starts wishing their stadium didn't hold 106,000.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CWSooner on November 28, 2017, 07:13:56 PM
same reason Jimmy Johnson left. Will never be able to over-take OU in the state. Plus the state of Oklahoma produce virtually no FBS talent. The state of Tennessee actually does believe it or not. Definitely more talent than the state of Oklahoma.

With that offense- and his history of throwing the ball- Mike Gundy had been the coach, Tennessee probably lands in-state 5* WR Tee Higgins- guy who was the #2 WR in the 2017 class to DPJ.

Tennessee is a better job at the end of the day. Not sure I'd leave though. Tennessee fans are crazy.
Oklahoma's population is 3.9 million, compared to Tennessee's 6.6 million.  I would guess that Oklahoma has about the same percentage of HS athletes good enough to play at Div 1-A as Tennessee does.  Neither state produces enough Div 1-A athletes to fill the rosters of two P5 programs.

But I'll throw out some names that might sound familiar: Billy Vessels, Steve Owens, Jason White, Sam Bradford.  Those are four of OU's five Heisman Trophy winners, and they were/are all Okies.

However, it is very true that if we didn't have Texas as a nearby recruiting ground we would not be where we are.  We've got 42 Texans on the roster compared to 31 Okies.  I understand that Tennessee also would be in hurting if it relied entirely on in-state recruiting.  Heck, Tennessee has gotten some star skill-position guys from Oklahoma.

Tennessee should be a much better job than Oklahoma State.  It's the #1 school in a bigger state.  It's got a lot more fans, more money and better (or at least bigger) facilities.  But right now it's a mess.

There's some speculation among Oklahoma sports mediots that Mike Gundy is not serious about this job, that he's just using the interview process to extract something--more money for assistants, more control over scheduling, whatever--from Oklahoma State.  He flirted with UT a few years back when they ended up hiring Butch Jones.  I don't know if he was offered then, but the story out of his camp was that he had received an offer and turned it down.  Maybe this is more of that.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2017, 07:33:14 PM
Florida and McElwain have reached a settlement on his buyout.

Quote
Failing to produce evidence of death threats cost former Florida coach Jim McElwain $5.4 million.

Florida gives him a $7.5 million buyout. Was due $12.9 million.
— Darren Rovell (@darrenrovell) November 28, 2017 (https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/935634525551517699?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
probably should've kept his mouth shut about all them death threats.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 28, 2017, 07:37:37 PM
Ya know when i totally F-UP at work I don't get a 7.5 mil buy out.Had I only known...I'm the guy they're looking for
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on November 28, 2017, 07:37:58 PM
Lots of rumors that Herm Edwards of all people will interview for the ASU job. Just shoot me now. If he's hired I hope our fans go on a Tennessee-esque revolt too.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 28, 2017, 07:41:30 PM
Is edwards the guy who growls and shouts a lot?If it is they'd be better off with Riley
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: GopherRock on November 28, 2017, 07:44:55 PM
Lots of rumors that Herm Edwards of all people will interview for the ASU job. Just shoot me now. If he's hired I hope our fans go on a Tennessee-esque revolt too.
Ask Lovie Smith if being a crappy NFL coach translates to the college game.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on November 28, 2017, 07:46:35 PM
Lots of rumors that Herm Edwards of all people will interview for the ASU job. Just shoot me now. If he's hired I hope our fans go on a Tennessee-esque revolt too.
Herm Edwards covered up child rape at Penn State
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2017, 07:51:23 PM
Ask Lovie Smith if being a crappy NFL coach translates to the college game.
Lovie was actually a very good NFL coach. Herm on the other hand.......
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2017, 07:52:13 PM
Lots of rumors that Herm Edwards of all people will interview for the ASU job. Just shoot me now. If he's hired I hope our fans go on a Tennessee-esque revolt too.
he is way too old and past his prime and was never a good coach to begin with. would be a terrible hire. shouldn't have fired Graham.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 28, 2017, 08:09:06 PM
Lots of rumors that Herm Edwards of all people will interview for the ASU job. Just shoot me now. If he's hired I hope our fans go on a Tennessee-esque revolt too.
Yeesh! Herm Edwards? Who hasn't coached in 10 years? Who hasn't coached college since the Eighties? Whose clock management is the most clueless I've ever seen?

What is Ray Anderson thinking? Were they paperboy buddies back in the day?

And look, this AZCentral writer thinks Herm is the "right fit" because he's Ray Anderson's "logical choice!"

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/2017/11/28/asu-football-coaching-search-herm-edwards/900635001/ (https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/2017/11/28/asu-football-coaching-search-herm-edwards/900635001/)

Really wish Graham was still aboard.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 28, 2017, 09:23:40 PM
Haslam owns the flying J and pilot chain... he isn't hurting for $$$... he piddles with the browns just like he does the university of tennessee- and his brother the governor backs every play he makes. 

I would love to believe the talk on the boob tube, but.... UT has a history that has spanned through at least three AD's of misdirection when it comes to hiring... they'll talk all graded of shizen just to come out of the clear blue sky with someone not even highlighted.  that leads me to believe Gundy is just manipulating his suitors.  

i don't agree with anything surrounding the way Schiano was treated, but i'm happy he isn't the coach at UT.. you buckeyes keep acting like he's all that, but if he was why are you so willing to see him leave? simply said: he isn't all that.  never has been.  there is a good chance this tarnished his opportunities some- and if so, that is BS in the most supreme way.  

Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 28, 2017, 09:37:18 PM
Drew pretty sure none of us Buckeyes have said he is all that.MDot brought up what he did for Rutgers - which was accurate.He is a decent coach that brought some NFL technique/experience to the defensive side of the ball.Had 3 Db's taken in the 1st rd last draft he must be doing something right
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 28, 2017, 09:43:32 PM
i have no doubt about his DC skills... I simply don't think he'll be able to produce in the SEC.  

@847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) touched on it... it's not that he can't coach, but he has to coach against Smart, Saban, Mullens, Malzhan, and Muschamp... i'd put him in the same class as Muschamp, actually.  then, he has to do that against the odds of a depleted team... his name obviously brought no comfort to recruits who made a break for the door as soon as he was suggested- and who knows how many players are going to leave, but i imagine it will be a lot more than if the HC was Gundy, as an example... 

but..... who knows.. 

reports are that Gundy turned UT down... 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 28, 2017, 09:52:45 PM
I wish Haslem would move my Browns to Knoxville, so they could start over again with competent ownership. 

Third times a charm. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2017, 10:08:23 PM
Moorehead to Miss State. Great hire for them. Kinda shocked, thought he'd wait it out couple more years for a better opportunity. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2017, 10:15:30 PM
Gundy has turned down Tennessee. According to ESPN it was a 6 year, $42 million offer. Kinda starting to feel bad for them. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 28, 2017, 10:16:30 PM
Moorehead to Miss State. Great hire for them. Kinda shocked, thought he'd wait it out couple more years for a better opportunity.
Perhaps however when McSorley/Gesicki/Barkley/Hamilton/Johnson/Sanders are gone his luster might be also.Strike while the iron is hot.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 28, 2017, 10:19:25 PM
Perhaps however when McSorley/Gesicki/Barkley/Hamilton/Johnson/Sanders are gone his luster might be also.Strike while the iron is hot.
Good point. Penn State will lose a lot on that offense after this season. Might make sense to go now. PSU offense will definitely take a big step back next year I think.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 28, 2017, 10:26:08 PM
Gundy has turned down Tennessee. According to ESPN it was a 6 year, $42 million offer. Kinda starting to feel bad for them.
I never had any beef with Tennessee. I used to have a roommate that was a huge Vols fan. 
After they went all DNC on Schiano though, I'm going to enthusiastically bask in their misery. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CWSooner on November 28, 2017, 10:35:24 PM
Gundy has turned down Tennessee. According to ESPN it was a 6 year, $42 million offer. Kinda starting to feel bad for them.
I don't think Gundy had any intention of accepting the Tennessee job.  Maybe the whole thing was a way for him to stroke his own ego.

He's a weird guy, and he demonstrates some signs of going through a midlife crisis.  The mullet is part of that.  He's gone off on a rattlesnake hunt, which is where he said he was during the OU-tOSU game, in explanation for why he had no comment on it.  Seems like I've read that he's gotten a Harley, but maybe the wish has become father to the thought on that.

There are a lot of rumors about his marriage, including the one that his wife has told him that he's not leaving Stillwater until the kids are out of high school.  His oldest is a sophomore (IIRC) and is the QB for Stillwater High.  Gunnar is his name.  Gunnar Gundy.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 28, 2017, 11:56:33 PM
Think Gunner Gundy has a mullet?  That's a silly name, but it's no Jim Bob Cooter.


btw, Tennessee deserves this - from their AD to their fans - it's all on them.  Fans' Gruden obsession, AD's teasing (more like bluffing a royal flush while holding 3 of a kind), and the fans' reaction to Schiano....

It's going to end up with them grovelling to get some middling coach AND overpaying him.  Hell, where's John L. Smith??  lol
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 29, 2017, 07:01:44 AM
Perhaps however when McSorley/Gesicki/Barkley/Hamilton/Johnson/Sanders are gone his luster might be also.Strike while the iron is hot.
Great coordinators/coaches overcome heavy personnel losses. It's part of what being a great coach is.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on November 29, 2017, 07:10:42 AM
Miss. State with a great hire.  Meanwhile Vols looking at Chad Morris and his 13-22 record at SMU.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on November 29, 2017, 07:59:05 AM
Perhaps however when McSorley/Gesicki/Barkley/Hamilton/Johnson/Sanders are gone his luster might be also.Strike while the iron is hot.
McSorely, Johnson and Sanders are all back (the latter two still have two years remaining), as well as the entire O-line and bringing in a potential Top 5 recruiting class and they redshirted about 20 guys this year.  Really the only 'unreplaceable' guys leaving are Barkley and Gesicki.  I'm not saying PSU will Ohio State/Alabama reload, but there's plenty of talent in the waiting folks, get used to it.  


Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on November 29, 2017, 07:59:50 AM
Good point. Penn State will lose a lot on that offense after this season. Might make sense to go now. PSU offense will definitely take a big step back next year I think.
Based on what premise?  Losing Gesicki and Barkley?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on November 29, 2017, 08:06:01 AM
I'm happy for Moorehead but the landing spot is a bit of a head scratcher to me.   Moorehead has zero ties to that part of the recruiting world - zero.  He's not a hands on recruiter by any means to begin with.  I get that it's an SEC job, but I really did think the UCF job was a good 'interim' spot for him to be a D1 head coach, grow some roots in the south for recruiting, then make the jump to a P5 school.  I wish him well, but I have a gut feeling this won't go all that great.  Remember Mullen was at UF before MSU and knew how to navigate those waters.  I don't think Moorehead does quite frankly.  

That said, I trust Franklin has a plan as he's had a full year to plan for this.  The transition will be smoother than many think.  While PSU loses Barkley, Gesicki and Hamilton, there's PLENTY of talent waiting in the wings, a 5th yr Sr QB returning, and the entire O-line is back.  I think y'all will be mighty surprised when this transition isn't as tumultuous as you might think it's going to be.  The same was said for PSU's defense when Shoop left, and frankly the defense never missed a beat.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on November 29, 2017, 08:08:42 AM
Think Gunner Gundy has a mullet?  That's a silly name, but it's no Jim Bob Cooter.


btw, Tennessee deserves this - from their AD to their fans - it's all on them.  Fans' Gruden obsession, AD's teasing (more like bluffing a royal flush while holding 3 of a kind), and the fans' reaction to Schiano....

It's going to end up with them grovelling to get some middling coach AND overpaying him.  Hell, where's John L. Smith??  lol
Do Florida fans deserve what Florida has become since Meyer left?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 29, 2017, 08:11:41 AM
Miss. State with a great hire.  Meanwhile Vols looking at Chad Morris and his 13-22 record at SMU.
People were talking him as Texas A&M's #2 choice if they didn't get Jimbo.  I don't get the infatuation.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 29, 2017, 08:13:12 AM
Heh, saw this posted, to show how important the staff is, not just the head coach.

When Edsall left UConn for Maryland, he elected not to bring his OC (Joe Moorhead) with him, nor retain the DC Maryland already had in place (Don Brown).  Instead he made two new hires.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Shiner on November 29, 2017, 08:21:08 AM
People were talking him as Texas A&M's #2 choice if they didn't get Jimbo.  I don't get the infatuation.
People may have been... but not A&M fans.  He's only tied the A&M job opening because he's an Aggie... not because he's considered a great coach.  Most Aggie fans have no desire to see him on our sidelines.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 09:27:04 AM
Heh, saw this posted, to show how important the staff is, not just the head coach.

When Edsall left UConn for Maryland, he elected not to bring his OC (Joe Moorhead) with him, nor retain the DC Maryland already had in place (Don Brown).  Instead he made two new hires.
That is some epic failure on the part of Edsall. Wow. 
Name they top 5 OC's in CFB. Name the top 5 DC's. Both those guys are on that list. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 09:44:09 AM
Based on what premise?  Losing Gesicki and Barkley?
Really?

Oh I don't know, maybe based on them losing one of the best OC's in all of college football in Joe Moorehead- the guy that came in there and really turned around what was a floundering offensive team- their leading rusher and the best RB in college football and the best RB they've had in decades in Barkley, their leading receiver in Hamilton, 3rd leading receiver in Barkley, 4th leading receiver in Geisicki, and 5th leading receiver in Thompkins.

Geisicki and Barkley are absolute match-up nightmares in the pass game and allowed them to do so much on offense because of their versatility.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on November 29, 2017, 09:45:43 AM
I actually think it's a great spot for Moorhead.  Expectations aren't super high - Mullen was good but not great and transitioned to Florida.   He has a solid program in place and the transition shouldn't be difficult.  Plus Ole Miss is probably going to be in a tailspin for years.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 09:50:34 AM
I actually think it's a great spot for Moorhead.  Expectations aren't super high - Mullen was good but not great and transitioned to Florida.   He has a solid program in place and the transition shouldn't be difficult.  Plus Ole Miss is probably going to be in a tailspin for years.
Great point. Fitzgerald is a good young QB that will fit what Moorehead wants to do. Ole Miss could really get hit hard by the NCAA which would make State the top program for awhile in Mississippi. Expectations are low, win 7-9 games a year he's a hero.

I just thought he'd get a bigger job. He does have HC experience in FCS. I think he's probably going to wind up being better than anything Tennessee hires. UT should've went after him- but they'd rather try to win the PR battle over finding a good coach.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Entropy on November 29, 2017, 09:54:56 AM
Yeesh! Herm Edwards? Who hasn't coached in 10 years? Who hasn't coached college since the Eighties? Whose clock management is the most clueless I've ever seen?

What is Ray Anderson thinking? Were they paperboy buddies back in the day?

And look, this AZCentral writer thinks Herm is the "right fit" because he's Ray Anderson's "logical choice!"

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/2017/11/28/asu-football-coaching-search-herm-edwards/900635001/ (https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/2017/11/28/asu-football-coaching-search-herm-edwards/900635001/)

Really wish Graham was still aboard.
Maybe he's thinking whomever I bring in next will look great in comparison... and be accepted by the fans as a result.  ????
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Entropy on November 29, 2017, 11:08:39 AM
http://footballscoop.com/news/sources-tennessee-search-centering-jeff-brohm/ (http://footballscoop.com/news/sources-tennessee-search-centering-jeff-brohm/)

Update's on Tenn latest target..
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 11:13:34 AM
Would really suck for Purdue and the Big Ten if Brohm jumps to Tennessee after only one year. He's a really good coach.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Entropy on November 29, 2017, 11:17:59 AM
I'm fully on board with Tenn being a better job than Purdue.  But Tenn is a cluster right now.   I think Brohm will have better options in the future.   And to be clear, I'm not suggesting Tenn is a bad option or even not a great option, but right now and talking today, the coach will have a lot of extra work ahead of him besides just building the team.   I'm not sure Tenn fans will have the patience like they might in the future. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 29, 2017, 11:22:45 AM
Brohm is a great coach..... he'd do UT very well. 

but

IF he didn't produce, he'd be out of there in three or four seasons instead of the expected five, and he'd have to start climbing the charts again, which he just finished doing by sitting at a P5 school and being ripe for the picking to a helmet school... 

being a UT fan- I'd love to have him as a coach... thinking from his perspective, he'd be gambling a considerable amount by going. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 29, 2017, 11:41:16 AM
I actually think it's a great spot for Moorhead.  Expectations aren't super high - Mullen was good but not great and transitioned to Florida.   He has a solid program in place and the transition shouldn't be difficult.  Plus Ole Miss is probably going to be in a tailspin for years.
I agree.  Mullen didn't win all that big at Mississippi State, as is viewed by many as a great hire for Florida.  The expectations there are very reasonable.  He was there 9 years.  Finished ranked twice.  Won 10 games once.  Won more than 8 games three times.  How many SEC schools could you go 8-5 or worse at 2/3 of the time and be viewed as a great coach?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 29, 2017, 11:44:18 AM
I don't think Gundy had any intention of accepting the Tennessee job.  Maybe the whole thing was a way for him to stroke his own ego.

He's a weird guy, and he demonstrates some signs of going through a midlife crisis.  The mullet is part of that.  He's gone off on a rattlesnake hunt, which is where he said he was during the OU-tOSU game, in explanation for why he had no comment on it.  Seems like I've read that he's gotten a Harley, but maybe the wish has become father to the thought on that.

There are a lot of rumors about his marriage, including the one that his wife has told him that he's not leaving Stillwater until the kids are out of high school.  His oldest is a sophomore (IIRC) and is the QB for Stillwater High.  Gunnar is his name.  Gunnar Gundy.


I've heard stories of Gundy changing for the weirder as well. How on a recruiting trip down to Texas he spotted one of the last operating Blockbusters (maybe THE last one) and was so transfixed he booked a hotel around the block and spent hour after hour there. The recruit he visited later in the week commented that Gundy showed up wearing a Blockbuster T-shirt. Sounds like the Gundy is starting to live in his own abstracted 1990s world. He's a Gin Blossoms fanatic too.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 29, 2017, 11:54:12 AM
Sounds like Brohm to Tennessee is very close.  Damn
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on November 29, 2017, 12:04:42 PM
Really?

Oh I don't know, maybe based on them losing one of the best OC's in all of college football in Joe Moorehead- the guy that came in there and really turned around what was a floundering offensive team- their leading rusher and the best RB in college football and the best RB they've had in decades in Barkley, their leading receiver in Hamilton, 3rd leading receiver in Barkley, 4th leading receiver in Geisicki, and 5th leading receiver in Thompkins.

Geisicki and Barkley are absolute match-up nightmares in the pass game and allowed them to do so much on offense because of their versatility.
Yes really, I think you're embellishing things a bit just looking only at the surface without having a very good insight into how much talent Penn State possesses in the waiting.  Everyone assumed doomsday when Godwin left early and the offense statistically was better without him.  
You said a 'big step back' - maybe we have differing opinions on big steps then.  I said as much that Barkley, Gesicki and Moorehead would be big losses, I don't doubt that for a bit.  But they aren't irreplaceable.  No, you're probably right they won't average 42 points a game.  But they certainly won't nosedive to 28 either.  
Thompkins isn't gone BTW, he'll be a 5th year.  

What's funny is I'm much more concerned about losing Cabinda at LB and Marcus Allen at S than I am either Gesicki or Barkley.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on November 29, 2017, 12:08:08 PM

I've heard stories of Gundy changing for the weirder as well. How on a recruiting trip down to Texas he spotted one of the last operating Blockbusters (maybe THE last one) and was so transfixed he booked a hotel around the block and spent hour after hour there. The recruit he visited later in the week commented that Gundy showed up wearing a Blockbuster T-shirt. Sounds like the Gundy is starting to live in his own abstracted 1990s world. He's a Gin Blossoms fanatic too.
(https://pistolsfiringblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/3R1A0744-810x540.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 29, 2017, 12:08:24 PM
losing a few players might not have set PSUs offense back next season, but the question is, what will happen to the offense if the OC is not back?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on November 29, 2017, 12:09:15 PM
Sounds like Brohm to Tennessee is very close.  Damn
Purdue better back up the money truck if they don't want to lose their coach every time he gets six wins
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 29, 2017, 12:09:37 PM
I think Gundy belongs in Austin
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: utee94 on November 29, 2017, 12:11:22 PM
I think Gundy belongs in Austin
I don't think he'd be any worse than our current head coach.  But right now, I don't think we're in the market.  But be sure to check back at the end of next season...
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 29, 2017, 12:13:57 PM
He's weird enough, it just might work!
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Entropy on November 29, 2017, 12:14:45 PM
I don't think he'd be any worse than our current head coach.  But right now, I don't think we're in the market.  But be sure to check back at the end of next season...
I take it the mood in Austin is not good... is this more of "it will take more time than we thought" or more of a "we may not have the right coach"?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 29, 2017, 12:16:32 PM
I don't think he'd be any worse than our current head coach.  But right now, I don't think we're in the market.  But be sure to check back at the end of next season...
Heh, last year I was lambasted by my fellow Buckeye fans for suggesting that Herman has not yet done anything to deserve the hype. 
He finished tied for 3rd/4th in his division of a mid major conference.
The Horns jumped the gun because he was able to upset the Sooners, with Houston. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Entropy on November 29, 2017, 12:29:12 PM
Fisher to A&M is sounding like it is more realistic than previously thought as well
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CWSooner on November 29, 2017, 12:31:16 PM
(https://pistolsfiringblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/3R1A0744-810x540.jpg)
I was going to mention this in response to Cats, but the pic is ever so much better!
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 12:34:16 PM
losing a few players might not have set PSUs offense back next season, but the question is, what will happen to the offense if the OC is not back?
they are losing more than a few players. I will be shocked if their offense doesn't take a major step back next year.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 12:38:16 PM
Texas fans might want to give Herman a little bit more time. That place wasn't an over-night turn around job. I wouldn't bet against him.

I really like Brohm, but he's only had one season in the P5 and it was 6-6. Great turn-around job in year one, but probably needs to show more.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 12:40:10 PM
Fisher to A&M is sounding like it is more realistic than previously thought as well
this will blow my mind if it actually happens.
If he takes that job, A&M must've offered him $9 mil a year to get him to jump.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 29, 2017, 12:57:57 PM
Yeesh! Herm Edwards? Who hasn't coached in 10 years? Who hasn't coached college since the Eighties? Whose clock management is the most clueless I've ever seen?

What is Ray Anderson thinking? Were they paperboy buddies back in the day?

And look, this AZCentral writer thinks Herm is the "right fit" because he's Ray Anderson's "logical choice!"

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/2017/11/28/asu-football-coaching-search-herm-edwards/900635001/ (https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/2017/11/28/asu-football-coaching-search-herm-edwards/900635001/)

Really wish Graham was still aboard.
Herm Edwards is a Jeff Fisher away from being the NFL coach in my lifetime with the most puzzling good coaching reputation
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 12:59:46 PM
Herm Edwards is a Jeff Fisher away from being the NFL coach in my lifetime with the most puzzling good coaching reputation
truth.
I really don't get it. I feel for the Arizona State fans if they really go through with this.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 01:14:52 PM
Moorehead apparently tried to get Don Brown to go with him to Mississippi State. Lol. How do you think that convo went?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 01:20:23 PM
sounds like the Brohm to Tennessee deal is done and will be announced later this afternoon. bummer for Purdue.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 29, 2017, 01:30:12 PM
I hope the best for Brohm, obviously... 

I also hope he took a chunk of flesh out of the banker on this deal.  

he scrapped his way up the list of reputable coaches, and if he doesn't splash at UT within three years, they'll toss him to the dogs... and he'll have to start over again climbing the list... 

Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on November 29, 2017, 01:31:28 PM
Get out the popcorn.  Purdue says he is out recruiting and hasn't talked to Tennessee.  A Purdue recruit posted a picture of he and Brohm from today and said Brohm said he's not going to Tennessee.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 29, 2017, 01:33:08 PM
Get out the popcorn.  Purdue says he is out recruiting and hasn't talked to Tennessee.  A Purdue recruit posted a picture of he and Brohm from today and said Brohm said he's not going to Tennessee.
i wonder if clay friggin travis is behind this too?  :96:
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 29, 2017, 01:34:57 PM
Heh, last year I was lambasted by my fellow Buckeye fans for suggesting that Herman has not yet done anything to deserve the hype.
He finished tied for 3rd/4th in his division of a mid major conference.
The Horns jumped the gun because he was able to upset the Sooners, with Houston.
I was right there with you, minus the fellow Buckeye fan part.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 01:35:04 PM
Oregon offering Willie Taggart a new contract with a fat pay raise. He's been there one year. Might be a lot of smoke to that Jimbo to A&M fire. Taggart is said to be high on the wish list for FSU if Jimbo bolts. Oregon offering this contract right now makes no sense...unless....FSU has contacted Willie's agent.

MaxSam you right- getcha popcorn ready. Purdue should do everything they can to try and keep Brohm. Give pay raises to assistants, promise to improve facilities, give him a pay raise- whatever it takes.

Tennessee is a mess right now but it's still a great job. But the expectations at Purdue are way more realistic. He just went 6-6 and lost to Rutgers and the fans would be devastated if he left. He'll pull out a 9-10 win season at Purdue and be a conquering hero. He wins 9-10 at Tennessee and they'll say NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Temp430 on November 29, 2017, 01:36:18 PM
From an entertainment stand point I'd love to see Miles to Knoxville.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 01:38:32 PM
From an entertainment stand point I'd love to see Miles to Knoxville.
I'd love to see Les at Michigan as an assistant coach.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 29, 2017, 01:47:26 PM
truth.
I really don't get it. I feel for the Arizona State fans if they really go through with this.


Which all spills into lack of quality leadership in Arizona State's Athletic Department for over a decade now. Unnecessary contract extensions for lukewarm basketball coach Herb Sendek. Baseball program suffering NCAA sanctions, poor coaching hires, and its first losing seasons in decades. Stadium Renovations over budget (but to be fair the Athletic Department has been very transparent and forthright about this, and it's worth noting that financing didn't involve tax payer wallets or raising tuition). And a bungled hiring approach after Erickson was fired and now seems repeated with the questionable firing of Graham.

I don't believe their school president, Michael Crow, thinks much about the Sun Devil athletic program, certainly not in terms of leveraging sports as a university branding strategy like Oregon does.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 29, 2017, 01:56:45 PM
I'd love to see Les at Michigan as an assistant coach.
Heh. He turned them down for a HC offer. He ain't going there as an assistant.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 01:57:03 PM
McElwain interviewing with Oregon State. Why do so many AD's just go with re-treads? Why not give a young up and comer a shot to shoot some life into a program?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 01:58:46 PM
Heh. He turned them down for a HC offer. He ain't going there as an assistant.
hey, you never know. he's 64. might wanna go coach at his school as an assistant as his last stop and help out rather than being the HC and having to do all the heavy lifting. could be a nice gig to go work for 5-6 comfy years be paid handsomely and then retire.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: bayareabadger on November 29, 2017, 02:00:45 PM
I was right there with you, minus the fellow Buckeye fan part.
  No coaching resumes live up to the hype. It is the nature of them. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 29, 2017, 02:02:56 PM
hey, you never know. he's 64. might wanna go coach at his school as an assistant as his last stop and help out rather than being the HC and having to do all the heavy lifting. could be a nice gig to go work for 5-6 comfy years be paid handsomely and then retire.
OK, but where would you stash him? His offenses at LSU were less than stellar.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: bayareabadger on November 29, 2017, 02:04:23 PM
McElwain interviewing with Oregon State. Why do so many AD's just go with re-treads? Why not give a young up and comer a shot to shoot some life into a program?
 Becuase sometimes there's an appeal in trying to build something consistent and solid. A goal in compitance rather than big swing with 1-11 downside. 
 Also, a young go-getter at Oregon State gives you 1-2 good years and moves on up.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 29, 2017, 02:08:34 PM
Becuase sometimes there's an appeal in trying to build something consistent and solid. A goal in compitance rather than big swing with 1-11 downside.
 Also, a young go-getter at Oregon State gives you 1-2 good years and moves on up.  

Or quits. :57:
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 02:09:21 PM
OK, but where would you stash him? His offenses at LSU were less than stellar.
His offenses were junk because he could never develop a QB or passing game despite having some excellent WR talent year in year out. His RB's & OL's were routinely very good.

Didn't think that one through. I guess maybe RB's or TE's? Maybe OL's? But I really like Greg Frey. Les is a heck of a personality and a great recruiter.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 02:15:16 PM
couldn't make this up....Tennessee super-fan and Howard Stern wannabe sports shock-jock Clay Travis apparently had Lane Kiffen on his radio show today, basically the entire interview was Travis lobbying for why Kiffen should be offered the job. Complete insanity.

This guy protested the Schiano hire and helped start an internet assassination of Schiano's character, but is salivating at the mouth for Lane Kiffen to return to Tennessee? Seriously? Da F$@k???? 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 29, 2017, 02:19:41 PM
His offenses were junk because he could never develop a QB or passing game despite having some excellent WR talent year in year out. His RB's & OL's were routinely very good.

Didn't think that one through. I guess maybe RB's or TE's? Maybe OL's? But I really like Greg Frey. Les is a heck of a personality and a great recruiter.
Well, this is probably just as much (OK, maybe not quite...) as a pipe dream as Gruden to Tennessee, but I'll go.

Sack Drevno and Jay. You make Frey OC/TE and bring Les in as AHC/OL/Run game coordinator and get a real RB coach.

Anyway..

I'm thinking Les could end up at Tennessee if they can't get Brohm, or at Purdue if Tennessee can get Brohm. I'd love to have Les in the B1G.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 02:20:34 PM
Fox Sports' college football reporter Bruce Feldman just tweeted reports of Brohm and Tennessee deal was inaccurate. There is no deal. My god, has he turned down Tennessee? Would be a hero to the Purdue fan base if he stays instead of bolting after only 1 year.

Would look really bad for Tennessee if they keep getting turned down by everyone they talk to. They might not want to let anyone know they are talking to anybody at all and just hire the guy they like. And can get.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 29, 2017, 02:22:31 PM
Clay Travis better have eyes in the back of his head.

Schiano is an Italian from Jersey...
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 02:30:16 PM
Clay Travis better have eyes in the back of his head.

Schiano is an Italian from Jersey...
plus there was that one time he made a tv commercial with Tony Soprano. Tony did go to Rutgers ya know.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 29, 2017, 02:32:21 PM
Fox Sports' college football reporter Bruce Feldman just tweeted reports of Brohm and Tennessee deal was inaccurate. There is no deal. My god, has he turned down Tennessee? Would be a hero to the Purdue fan base if he stays instead of bolting after only 1 year.

Would look really bad for Tennessee if they keep getting turned down by everyone they talk to. They might not want to let anyone know they are talking to anybody at all and just hire the guy they like. And can get.
I wouldn't say anything is known at this point that says he "turned down" Tennessee. 
But as of 20 minutes ago the tweets as reported by Hammer & Rails were all basically saying the "deal is done" talk was inaccurate. Feldman, Pat Forde, and several other sources.
https://www.hammerandrails.com/football/2017/11/29/16716098/no-deal-brohm-tennessee
That said, I think it would be smart for Brohm to avoid Tennessee. He's BELOVED in West Lafayette after a single 6-6 season. He's got a good AD (something Purdue didn't have 2 years ago) and an administration that is committed to giving him the resources he needs to build something here. Tennessee is a garbage fire situation right now, and I don't know how much money it would take--and this is a guy who appears to not be driven by money as much as some other coaches--for him to voluntarily put himself into that mess. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 02:35:00 PM
Well, this is probably just as much (OK, maybe not quite...) as a pipe dream as Gruden to Tennessee, but I'll go.

Sack Drevno and Jay. You make Frey OC/TE and bring Les in as AHC/OL/Run game coordinator and get a real RB coach.

Anyway..

I'm thinking Les could end up at Tennessee if they can't get Brohm, or at Purdue if Tennessee can get Brohm. I'd love to have Les in the B1G.
insider over at Rivals/MgoBlog who has been pretty much right on with everything says Drevno is very likely to take another job this off-season. He had another job lined up last year and it fell through so Harbaugh kept him. Very high probability Drev is gone.

We all know he's never going to fire his son. Maybe his son gets an NFL job with his uncle though? Jay is a top recruiter, not much older than all the kids he recruits. Seemed to do a decent job with TE's before they switched him to RB's. Don't really think there is anything you can "coach" a RB on. Running the ball is mostly instinct and talent. Think really the only thing you can teach RB's is pass protection. Funny how once he goes to RB coach none of them know how to block at all. Worst collection of pass pro RB's I think I've ever seen in my lfie.

My dream scenario for RB coach would be Mike Hart. I think that guy would KILL it on the recruiting trail and at finding RB's and coaching them up. One of the all-time great RB's I have ever seen at Michigan in pass pro btw- he was just great at it.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 29, 2017, 02:39:20 PM
I'm thinking Les could end up at Tennessee if they can't get Brohm, or at Purdue if Tennessee can get Brohm. I'd love to have Les in the B1G.
I don't want Les at Purdue. Purdue doesn't have the talent to run a Les Miles system. 
I could see him at Tennessee though. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 29, 2017, 02:42:02 PM
I don't want Les at Purdue. Purdue doesn't have the talent to run a Les Miles system.
I could see him at Tennessee though.
He did pretty well at Okie State with lesser talent.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 02:43:16 PM
Les' scheme on offense stinks. I think for him to have a really successful program, he needs to be at a helmet or a "new-helmet" (FSU/LSU). He's a bad fit as a HC anywhere else, especially considering his age, in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 02:46:21 PM
He did pretty well at Okie State with lesser talent.
yeah, 16 years ago when he was 48. He's 64. He'll be 65 when next season starts.

He was 4-7, 8-5, 9-4, 7-5 at Okie State. He also had Gundy as his OC/QB's coach.

Schemes change, evolve. Game is way different now, more spread open. Les never evolved or caught up with the times. He's a stubborn ole' Bo guy that thinks the QB and pass game is just an accessory and you better run run run run the ball.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 02:55:12 PM
Tennessee meeting with Dave Doeren from NC State.....
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 29, 2017, 02:55:52 PM
Tennessee meeting with Dave Doeren from NC State.....
That would be a decent Plan K
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 29, 2017, 02:59:00 PM
Tennessee meeting with Dave Doeren from NC State.....
Lots of NC State fans are hoping, from what I gather.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 03:01:09 PM
Lots of NC State fans are hoping, from what I gather.
he keeps holding them hostage for more money, and I think they are getting sick of it. Also read he's only 15-25 in conference.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MarqHusker on November 29, 2017, 03:13:55 PM
The Brohm deal breakdown with Tenn (based on A RUMOR, as we all know now, there was no signed Schiano 'Memo' with Tenn) is that Tenn refused to cover the $4m buyout.  If that is true, then Tennessee truly is in a twilight zone of their own creation.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MarqHusker on November 29, 2017, 03:16:20 PM
Les' scheme on offense stinks. I think for him to have a really successful program, he needs to be at a helmet or a "new-helmet" (FSU/LSU). He's a bad fit as a HC anywhere else, especially considering his age, in my opinion.
I didn't know Les had an offensive scheme?   Maybe a risky scheme, or eating grass, and hoping the clock doesn't hit 00:00.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 29, 2017, 03:23:51 PM
The Brohm deal breakdown with Tenn (based on A RUMOR, as we all know now, there was no signed Schiano 'Memo' with Tenn) is that Tenn refused to cover the $4m buyout.  If that is true, then Tennessee truly is in a twilight zone of their own creation.
i think there is a coup d'etat taking place in Kville...personally, that is... 
there is a group of boosters that don't want to see Currie succeed- and intent to see him fired.  i don't know what they think they can do better, well... other than HIRE A FIRM.... but... 
twilight of their own making?  without doubt... 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 29, 2017, 03:32:41 PM
The Brohm deal breakdown with Tenn (based on A RUMOR, as we all know now, there was no signed Schiano 'Memo' with Tenn) is that Tenn refused to cover the $4m buyout.  If that is true, then Tennessee truly is in a twilight zone of their own creation.
According to Clay Travis [so give this about 4% credibility], Currie made Brohm an offer and he accepted, but the chancellor wouldn't sign it. So they went back to Brohm with a lower offer that he declined.
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/935962211255713792
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 29, 2017, 03:39:28 PM
I've never gotten that Clay Travis is anything more than the UT version of Gregg Henson, he knows a couple people, but is usually wrong, and is largely an asshat, but is loud enough about the few times he has a credible source, that people still pay attention?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 29, 2017, 03:59:17 PM
Reports are that Brohm/Tennessee is dead in the water. Looks like Tennessee is moving on.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MarqHusker on November 29, 2017, 04:00:32 PM
Travis also thought the school signed the Schiano 'memo' too, which turned out was BS.


Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 29, 2017, 04:12:51 PM
Clay Travis better have eyes in the back of his head.

Schiano is an Italian from Jersey...
C'mowahn. Lemme kill'im. 

Ah'll make'it look like an AAAccident. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 04:14:37 PM
Clay Travis doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. Just a loud mouth who has used saying crazy sh*t on twitter and radio to draw attention to himself. The guy is trying to make a fan push to bring Lane Kiffen back. Absolutely insane.

In other news....Jason Whitlock- surprised that fat slob is actually employed- trying to sell Hoke to Tennessee. Apparently Whitlock is very close with Brady Hoke- guess they went to Ball State together. If they wind up hiring Hoke....oh...my....god.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on November 29, 2017, 05:08:39 PM

According to Clay Travis [so give this about 4% credibility], Currie made Brohm an offer and he accepted, but the chancellor wouldn't sign it. So they went back to Brohm with a lower offer that he declined.
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/935962211255713792

That doesn't even sound plausible.  That sounds like something a drunk would say to me at a bar and that he heard from a friend's aunt's brother's cousin, who cleans restrooms in the chancellor's office.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 05:18:46 PM
That doesn't even sound plausible.  That sounds like something a drunk would say to me at a bar and that he heard from a friend's aunt's brother's cousin, who cleans restrooms in the chancellor's office.
I agree with you. No way that happened. Travis is just trying to get tweeter followers/stir up shit. He's probably just making it up. It's what he does.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 29, 2017, 05:31:08 PM
I agree with you. No way that happened. Travis is just trying to get tweeter followers/stir up shit. He's probably just making it up. It's what he does.
The sad thing is, there is still real journalism out there.  All of these sexual assault cases, where the NYT goes and gets multiple sources and corroborating witnesses...and then 10 minutes after they break it, it's everywhere for free.  What's their incentive?
Then you get asshats on the radio/Twitter like Henson or Travis who just throw shit at the wall constantly and every once in a while something sticks, they can tout that, and then you can never be fully sure you can't trust them.  And it's also free, so why not?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 05:36:51 PM
The sad thing is, there is still real journalism out there.  All of these sexual assault cases, where the NYT goes and gets multiple sources and corroborating witnesses...and then 10 minutes after they break it, it's everywhere for free.  What's their incentive?
Then you get asshats on the radio/Twitter like Henson or Travis who just throw shit at the wall constantly and every once in a while something sticks, they can tout that, and then you can never be fully sure you can't trust them.  And it's also free, so why not?
I think his reputation- not that he ever really had one- I think most didn't even know who he was- has taken a hit nationally with his ridiciulous anti-Schiano crusade.

If Tennessee makes a bad hire- or worse gets stuck with Hoke because no one wants the job- and Tennessee just continues to deteriorate and dive off the deep end- he might wind up being the most hated man in Tennessee. I hope that happens.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 29, 2017, 05:45:31 PM
I agree with you. No way that happened. Travis is just trying to get tweeter followers/stir up shit. He's probably just making it up. It's what he does.

That doesn't even sound plausible.  That sounds like something a drunk would say to me at a bar and that he heard from a friend's aunt's brother's cousin, who cleans restrooms in the chancellor's office.

That might be true. Apparently a fellow UT "insider" journalist, John Brice, was tweeting similar things, but I can find them now. Wondering if he got differing info and deleted that tweet. 

Either way, it looks like this was a major screwup from UT as far as how this was handled... In other words, par for the course. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 29, 2017, 05:51:10 PM
i don't find it hard to believe Davenport would undermine Currie at all... even though they are 'close' friends, she's a politician/cutthroat first and foremost.  

as i said, there is a real movement attempting to get rid of Currie... they don't want him to succeed..
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 06:08:32 PM
i don't find it hard to believe Davenport would undermine Currie at all... even though they are 'close' friends, she's a politician/cutthroat first and foremost.  

as i said, there is a real movement attempting to get rid of Currie... they don't want him to succeed..
if they don't want him to succeed they should make sure Brady Hoke gets that job. Tennessee football will continue to crater off a cliff with Hoke and the AD will get fired.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 29, 2017, 06:19:26 PM
there is ALL GRADES of discourse... Davenport hired Currie instead of Blackburn, and the contention of boosters that wanted Blackburn (which certainly doesn't include the Haslam's) are seizing the opportunity to remove Currie and replace him with either Fulmer (as an interim) or Blackburn (as it likely 'should' have been from the start)... 

there wasn't much case against Currie until Sunday, and it stands enough concern to wonder if the 'fans' and 'twitter' had as much to do with undermining Schiano as the pro-Blackburn boosters and their $$$ ties (read:influence) over the university/state.  

at this point, well... no... long before this point this became the best 'murder mystery' of the year.  

hollywood, who continues to play the same movie over and over, and remake those, ought to consult with the UT fanbase for story lines... i've said it at least five times here, let's make it 5+:  it's a train wreck i can't look away from... 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on November 29, 2017, 07:05:44 PM
Sounds like Herm Edwards to ASU is a real thing that is actually happening.  

Edit: This might be the weirdest coaching transition I can remember.  I don't remember any ASU fans even seeming to want to get rid of Todd Graham, and now he's gone and they hire a guy who's been out of football for 9 years and has almost no college experience.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on November 29, 2017, 07:35:03 PM
Sounds like Herm Edwards to ASU is a real thing that is actually happening.  

Edit: This might be the weirdest coaching transition I can remember.  I don't remember any ASU fans even seeming to want to get rid of Todd Graham, and now he's gone and they hire a guy who's been out of football for 9 years and has almost no college experience.
Just kill me now.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 29, 2017, 07:45:37 PM
View image on Twitter (https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/936028243177754624/photo/1)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP1wudoXUAAFXoc.jpg:large) (https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/936028243177754624/photo/1)

Quote
(https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/936028243177754624)

 (https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/936028243177754624)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000304023589/616720da2f12fe4c1ed99dbe3fdebd39_normal.jpeg)Lane Kiffin (https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin)

@Lane_Kiffin (https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin)


7:24 PM - Nov 29, 2017 (https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/936028243177754624)

  • (https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=936028243177754624)
     387387 Replies (https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=936028243177754624)
  • (https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=936028243177754624)
     5,3415,341 Retweets (https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=936028243177754624)
  • (https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=936028243177754624)
     8,5518,551 likes (https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=936028243177754624)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 29, 2017, 07:49:02 PM
Just kill me now.
Well you can always join me and root for the Browns.Not much consolation I know.That would not only be shocking but beyond belief...almost
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MarqHusker on November 29, 2017, 07:51:29 PM
Imagine Tenn fan reaction to Herm Edwards hired by Vols.   In fairness, any program w high fan intensity would go nuts.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CWSooner on November 29, 2017, 07:52:23 PM
AP quotes a source saying that Oregon State has hired Jonathan Smith, former Beaver QB and current U-Dub Co-OC.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 29, 2017, 07:52:38 PM
View image on Twitter (https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/936028243177754624/photo/1)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP1wudoXUAAFXoc.jpg:large) (https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/936028243177754624/photo/1)

Just spit up my iced tea....
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 29, 2017, 08:09:07 PM
https://twitter.com/ErikAinge3/status/935962421130334208/photo/1
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 29, 2017, 08:16:52 PM
View image on Twitter (https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/936028243177754624/photo/1)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP1wudoXUAAFXoc.jpg:large) (https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/936028243177754624/photo/1)

Yeah, that's hilarious. 
The only way it gets worse than that is if Brady Hoke turns down the gig. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 29, 2017, 08:19:32 PM
Okay, for those keeping score at home.....

1.  Gruden.....HAHAHAHAHAHA no
2.  Kelly....nope
3.  Patterson?  no
4.  Peterson?  no
5.  Mullen  no
6.  Schiano....yeah no
7.  Cutcliffe    no
8.  Jason Witten (WTF?) no
9.  He's a man, he's 40! Gundy  no
10. Brohm  no
11. Kiffin  (see tweets) hell no
12. Jim Bob Cooter (bad name, good coach) no
13.  NC State guy....we'll see
14.  Hawai'i Defensive Coordinator....maybe
15.  Peyton Manning's forehead....fingers crossed
16.  my left testicle.....
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 29, 2017, 08:20:40 PM
Honestly, at this rate, Brett Beliema will be UT's next coach......
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 29, 2017, 08:21:15 PM
hoping for 16... watching the entire SEC stomp that thing will bring me sadistic joy.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on November 29, 2017, 09:14:51 PM
I'm still wrapping my head around the fact our AD paid Graham $12 million to go away so he could hire Herm freakin' Edwards.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 29, 2017, 09:16:06 PM
is your AD a UT grad?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 29, 2017, 09:22:20 PM
This is all getting really weird.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 29, 2017, 09:26:12 PM
Herm Edwards always warned his rookies "nothing good happens after midnight" and now he's going to ASU? Let me tell you that the most fun you'll ever have happens after midnight at ASU.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: TyphonInc on November 29, 2017, 09:29:43 PM
Sounds like Herm Edwards to ASU is a real thing that is actually happening.  

Edit: This might be the weirdest coaching transition I can remember.  I don't remember any ASU fans even seeming to want to get rid of Todd Graham, and now he's gone and they hire a guy who's been out of football for 9 years and has almost no college experience.
Went with a coach who has impeccable quality character traits. Not sure that turns into wins though, just ask Nebraska about Riley.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on November 29, 2017, 10:56:53 PM
I'm connected to quite a few former players via social media and surprisingly most of them are positive regarding the Edwards hire, which is at least nice to see. IMO the only way he succeeds is if he surrounds himself with a staff that has a good mix of recruiting ability (CA especially) and player development (obviously this applies to most coaches but ESPECIALLY Herm in this case). 

I don't doubt he'll be able to motivate and rally the team, and his personality and NFL experience could probably help him close some recruits as well. Just hope he doesn't try to revert ASU to a vanilla NFL style offense (those are actually harder to recruit for if you aren't a traditional helmet, if you didn't already figure).
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on November 30, 2017, 07:04:10 AM
Sounds like Jimbo Fisher and is getting real sour with FSU.  FSU looking at Willie Taggart, no one is recruiting, fans getting roughed up at a call in show.  I find it pretty weird - I don't see much allure to leaving FSU for A&M.  If he wanted to leave, why not go to LSU last year?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Temp430 on November 30, 2017, 08:26:03 AM
No allure for A&M?  Lots of money, SEC, hungry fan base, Texas recruits...I'm guessing it happens.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on November 30, 2017, 08:48:32 AM
they are losing more than a few players. I will be shocked if their offense doesn't take a major step back next year.
Well, considering you weren't even accurate on the players they are losing.....I guess I'll be happy when you're shocked.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 30, 2017, 09:00:35 AM
No allure for A&M?  Lots of money, SEC, hungry fan base, Texas recruits...I'm guessing it happens.
Sounds like it might happen today.  Not even finishing the regular season might be a new low.  Not sure what the argument is against players playing in bowl games, and instead moving ahead to prep for their next job.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on November 30, 2017, 09:18:57 AM
No allure for A&M?  Lots of money, SEC, hungry fan base, Texas recruits...I'm guessing it happens.
It's fine, but what advantage does it offer that he doesn't have at Florida State already?  If FSU opens up a lot of good coaches will give it a long look, I think a longer look than they'd give A&M.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Shiner on November 30, 2017, 09:39:58 AM
It's fine, but what advantage does it offer that he doesn't have at Florida State already?  If FSU opens up a lot of good coaches will give it a long look, I think a longer look than they'd give A&M.
Well.... from what I understand Fisher has been pretty open about this. He's been asking for better facilities (A&M's are superior by all accounts) and better pay for his assistants (which A&M is obviously offering).... for starters. 
There seems to be this myth out there that if  you're a "helmet school" your resources are limitless... and if you're not a helmet, your resources pale in comparison.  Just ain't so.   Certainly not in this case.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 30, 2017, 10:23:24 AM
@iowahawkblog: CONSUMER ALERT: If you receive an unfamiliar phone call from area code 865, do NOT answer! It could be the University of Tennessee trying to trick you into accepting a job as head football coach
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 30, 2017, 11:17:03 AM
@iowahawkblog: CONSUMER ALERT: If you receive an unfamiliar phone call from area code 865, do NOT answer! It could be the University of Tennessee trying to trick you into accepting a job as head football coach
oh that's just cruel... 
how else are we going to find a new coach?  
i think Haslam, Davenport, and Currie are all looking through their contacts list right about now trying to locate Gruden... he's been missing from the conversation for a while, no? 
:72:
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 30, 2017, 11:45:32 AM
@iowahawkblog: CONSUMER ALERT: If you receive an unfamiliar phone call from area code 865, do NOT answer! It could be the University of Tennessee trying to trick you into accepting a job as head football coach
LMAO

I actually feel sorry for the fans. Not the idiots who were protesting and painting things on the rock about Schiano and trashing him online. The good dudes like Drew who just want to see their team win. There are probably more guys like that out there. They just aren't crazy- all you hear/see are the crazies. Doesn't mean the entire fan base is crazy. Whether he realizes it or not, Clay Travis really hurt Tennessee. If some sports radio wanna be shock jock in Tennessee with a twitter following can help incite a riot and slander you to the point where the AD/school chicken out and essentially hire then fire you- well who the hell would want that job? Other coaches see that shit show and want no part of it.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 30, 2017, 12:01:15 PM
This has to be one of the weirdest offseason coaching scrums I can remember...
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 30, 2017, 12:03:41 PM
Sounds like it might happen today.  Not even finishing the regular season might be a new low.  Not sure what the argument is against players playing in bowl games, and instead moving ahead to prep for their next job.
bingo. coaches do this all the time and leave for the next job to go recruit, and hardly a word ever gets said. Coaches who get paid MILLION AND MILLIONS of dollars and don't have to go put their bodies/lives out on the line.

Jake Butt was a 2nd round pick. MAYBE 3rd at worst. At worst. He potentially maybe even have had a shot at being a late 1st round pick if he had posted a good 40 at the combine, as a couple TE's went late towards the bottom of that draft. He shredded the same knee he had torn two years earlier in the bowl game and fell all the way to the first pick of the 5th round. That cost him more than he collected from his insurance policy- those policies are a BITCH for players to collect and NEVER pay out 100% of what they are suppose to. People talk about those insurance policies- what they fail to mention is that players hardly if ever actually get the full amount. After I saw that happen to a great kid like that, my thinking really changed.

I'm glad Peppers didn't play, stayed injury free and got drafted in the 1st round. Michigan barely lost the game to FSU. By 1 point. If Jake had been able to play that entire game and not get injured and had Peppers played, think they might've pulled it out? Never know, but I'd rather have had Jake sit like Peppers and Michigan lose that game badly than to win it. Those guys' future is more important than a meaningless bowl game. And it really was a meaningless game and just a consolation prize. They were playing for a trip to the B1G CCG and a spot in the playoff that season. That all ended when they didn't get the call to stop JT on 4th down in OT. Season was a failure after they didn't stop tOSU in OT and go play in the B1G CCG. Really nothing to play for after that IMO.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on November 30, 2017, 12:11:30 PM
If I were UT, I'd give JMU's Mike Houston a call.  The guy led the Dukies to a FCS natty this past season. 

The sad thing is, JMU would probably blow UT's doors off if they played this weekend.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 30, 2017, 12:18:54 PM
dumping Todd Graham- who by the way is a pretty good college coach despite what some people call his questionable "ethics" for Herm Edwards is baffling to me. Absolute insanity. Herm is 63 years old, he'll be 64 when next season starts, he's never been a college coach, his career winning % in the NFL at Kansas City and NYJ...wait for it.... .417% Yuck. He has a track record in the NFL of starting off his first season with a bang and then just deteriorating over time. 1st season with NYJ- 10-6. Last season with NYJ- 4-12. 1st season with KC? 9-7. Last season with KC? 2-14. Arizona State's AD wins the WHAT THE F&%$! WERE YOU THINKING off-season award. It's like the AD is voluntarily trying to set their football program back 5-10 years or something. Makes no sense.

Jimbo to A&M makes no sense to me either. Must be more to that story with his bosses. Jimbo has tried to use other job offers every year to extract more and more out of them. They might've called his bluff this time around. Good for them. Jimbo is a fine coach, but he's not worth what A&M will be paying him. A&M is probably going to make him the highest paid coach in CFB if the rumors are true. This has really hurt FSU's recruiting. They've already had 4 de-commits in the past day and there are others saying they haven't heard from the coaches in days and if Jimbo leaves they are leaving too.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 30, 2017, 12:46:49 PM
LMAO

I actually feel sorry for the fans. Not the idiots who were protesting and painting things on the rock about Schiano and trashing him online. The good dudes like Drew who just want to see their team win. There are probably more guys like that out there. They just aren't crazy- all you hear/see are the crazies. Doesn't mean the entire fan base is crazy. Whether he realizes it or not, Clay Travis really hurt Tennessee. If some sports radio wanna be shock jock in Tennessee with a twitter following can help incite a riot and slander you to the point where the AD/school chicken out and essentially hire then fire you- well who the hell would want that job? Other coaches see that shit show and want no part of it.
SiriusXM took a caller this morning that I think makes up 90% of the fan base, and I do feel bad.  HE talked about how he waits all year for Vols football, and the first time in his life he couldn't wait for the season to be over, and at least knew they had already hit rock bottom...only to find out they hadn't.  I truly felt bad for the guy.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 30, 2017, 12:56:10 PM
Tennessee meeting with Dave Doeren from NC State.....
Pete Thamel from Yahoo reporting Doeren turned them down
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 30, 2017, 12:57:34 PM
Also starting to feel better on my take that Tennessee (along with Nebraska and PSU) were just outside on my list of true helmet schools.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 30, 2017, 01:00:02 PM
Pete Thamel from Yahoo reporting Doeren turned them down
Ouch. So he probably just used them to get more from NC State. His record in the ACC was pretty bad. They might have dodged a bullet.
They need to just go get Les. He'd bring an end to this shit show and he'd bring stability, respectability, and some dignity back to that thing. Let him go in there, clean up the mess get them to 8-9 win seasons then set it up for the next guy.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 30, 2017, 01:00:30 PM
Pete Thamel from Yahoo reporting Doeren turned them down
Doeren is highly regarded down here. 
he's a pretty good coach to be sure... I'd plant him in the same category as Iowa State's HC and staff.  
he also recently signed an extension. I'd be shocked if UT took him, because the buyout will be significant.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 30, 2017, 01:04:22 PM
Kyle Whittingham is considering letting Gary Andersen back on his staff. 

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-utes/2017/11/29/kyle-whittingham-gary-andersen-a-potential-candidate-to-join-utes-staff/
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 30, 2017, 01:04:29 PM
Also starting to feel better on my take that Tennessee (along with Nebraska and PSU) were just outside on my list of true helmet schools.
PSU landed a good coach when it had to. We shall see about UNL this time around.


I'll never understand firing a coach before you have one in hand, or at least some level of comfort.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on November 30, 2017, 01:04:59 PM
Also some reports their AD is out, which is always interesting when they are looking for a coach
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 30, 2017, 01:07:39 PM
Kyle Whittingham is considering letting Gary Andersen back on his staff.

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-utes/2017/11/29/kyle-whittingham-gary-andersen-a-potential-candidate-to-join-utes-staff/
QB coach, I assume.

Maybe Urbs will take him back as that. I hear you guys need a good QB coach. LMAO.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on November 30, 2017, 01:11:57 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000304023589/616720da2f12fe4c1ed99dbe3fdebd39_bigger.jpeg)Lane KiffinVerified account  (https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin)
@Lane_Kiffin
[/url] 4h4 hours ago (https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/936238021443235840)
More
[/font][/size][/color]
Tennessee fans rush to sign petition calling for Lane Kiffin's return to Rocky Top.  Only 1500?? (https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f622.png)(https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f622.png). I have 2000 for Kim Jung un!!!! Address to send it to??? @finebaum (https://twitter.com/finebaum) @ClayTravis (https://twitter.com/ClayTravis)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on November 30, 2017, 01:13:37 PM
UT reached out to me on LinkedIn, but I told them I'm not interested in relocating at this time.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on November 30, 2017, 01:15:05 PM
Also starting to feel better on my take that Tennessee (along with Nebraska and PSU) were just outside on my list of true helmet schools.
Except PSU got the guy they wanted last coaching search....and who has already taken his name out of other coaching searches before they even happened, has put together Top 5 recruiting classes, back to back top 10 teams.....all after the (arguably) worst sanctions the NCAA has ever given out.  Not sure how anyone but a 'helmet' turns it around like this in < 5 years. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 30, 2017, 01:21:19 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000304023589/616720da2f12fe4c1ed99dbe3fdebd39_bigger.jpeg)Lane KiffinVerified account (https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin)
@Lane_Kiffin
(https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin) 4h4 hours ago (https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/936238021443235840)
More

Tennessee fans rush to sign petition calling for Lane Kiffin's return to Rocky Top.  Only 1500?? (https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f622.png)(https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f622.png). I have 2000 for Kim Jung un!!!! Address to send it to??? @finebaum (https://twitter.com/finebaum) @ClayTravis (https://twitter.com/ClayTravis)
Absolutely incredible to me they want him back.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 30, 2017, 01:27:23 PM
doeren is officially staying at ncst... 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Shiner on November 30, 2017, 01:33:30 PM

Jimbo to A&M makes no sense to me either. Must be more to that story with his bosses. Jimbo has tried to use other job offers every year to extract more and more out of them. They might've called his bluff this time around. Good for them. Jimbo is a fine coach, but he's not worth what A&M will be paying him. A&M is probably going to make him the highest paid coach in CFB if the rumors are true. This has really hurt FSU's recruiting. They've already had 4 de-commits in the past day and there are others saying they haven't heard from the coaches in days and if Jimbo leaves they are leaving too.
I'm not sure what rumors you're seeing.  It's pretty widely reported the offer on the table is about $7.5 million/year.  He's currently making $5.5 and is the 6th highest paid coach in CFB.  This would make him the 3rd highest paid coach.  We're not getting into the ballpark of what Saban is making, who is the highest paid.

Fisher has six 10-win seasons out of the 7 seasons he's been at FSU prior to this year... plus a national title.  I'd say the pay is probably commensurate with what he's accomplished.  If anything, he's underpaid at FSU given the current pay scale in CFB these days.  For reference, Sumlin was making $5 million/year and his resume can't touch Fisher's. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 30, 2017, 01:34:46 PM
The coaching fraternity is a tight one.

You are gonna have to find someone pretty desperate, to be willing to walk across that picket line; after subjecting Schiano to character assassination. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 30, 2017, 01:50:08 PM
Except PSU got the guy they wanted last coaching search....and who has already taken his name out of other coaching searches before they even happened, has put together Top 5 recruiting classes, back to back top 10 teams.....all after the (arguably) worst sanctions the NCAA has ever given out.  Not sure how anyone but a 'helmet' turns it around like this in < 5 years.
That wasn't a commentary on Nebraska or Penn State, I just threw in that they were in my group of 3 with Tennessee that is just on the outside.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 30, 2017, 01:50:46 PM
I'm telling you, it's gonna be John L. Smith for one season, lol.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 30, 2017, 01:52:40 PM
I'm telling you, it's gonna be John L. Smith for one season, lol.
If they go the interim for a season route it'll be Brady Hoke. Unless Hoke turns them down lol.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 30, 2017, 01:59:43 PM
Feldman reporting Tennessee talking to Sumlin. Not sure I'd take that job if I was him.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 30, 2017, 02:07:29 PM
Feldman reporting Tennessee talking to Sumlin. Not sure I'd take that job if I was him.
Tennessee, now taking Arizona State's backup plans.  Wow
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: grillrat on November 30, 2017, 02:16:25 PM
I'm not sure what rumors you're seeing.  It's pretty widely reported the offer on the table is about $7.5 million/year.  He's currently making $5.5 and is the 6th highest paid coach in CFB.  This would make him the 3rd highest paid coach.  We're not getting into the ballpark of what Saban is making, who is the highest paid.

Fisher has six 10-win seasons out of the 7 seasons he's been at FSU prior to this year... plus a national title.  I'd say the pay is probably commensurate with what he's accomplished.  If anything, he's underpaid at FSU given the current pay scale in CFB these days.  For reference, Sumlin was making $5 million/year and his resume can't touch Fisher's.

I heard an interview with Fisher about an hour ago on XM radio.  He is not saying anything definitive, but it sounds like he is gone, IMO.  The big thing mentioned though is that the facilities at FSU are apparently pretty old and out of date.  FSU was dominant for so long, they kinda let the facilities slip because, well....frankly...., they didn't need to worry about them.  They were getting the recruits they wanted without any trouble.  They essentially, got spoiled.

Texas A&M can throw more money, better existing facilities, and a fresh start at a coach who is only going to get 7 wins this season at most.

Also, Danny Kenel brought up an interesting point.  No matter what Jimbo does at FSU, he will never get the credit that Bowden will get.  Bowden MADE that program.  If Jimbo were to go to aTm and bring them a national championship, he would be regarded in the same light as Bowden.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 30, 2017, 02:20:34 PM
That wasn't a commentary on Nebraska or Penn State, I just threw in that they were in my group of 3 with Tennessee that is just on the outside.
so, 1 outa 3 ain't bad?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Shiner on November 30, 2017, 02:42:23 PM
I heard an interview with Fisher about an hour ago on XM radio.  He is not saying anything definitive, but it sounds like he is gone, IMO.  The big thing mentioned though is that the facilities at FSU are apparently pretty old and out of date.  FSU was dominant for so long, they kinda let the facilities slip because, well....frankly...., they didn't need to worry about them.  They were getting the recruits they wanted without any trouble.  They essentially, got spoiled.

Texas A&M can throw more money, better existing facilities, and a fresh start at a coach who is only going to get 7 wins this season at most.

Also, Danny Kenel brought up an interesting point.  No matter what Jimbo does at FSU, he will never get the credit that Bowden will get.  Bowden MADE that program.  If Jimbo were to go to aTm and bring them a national championship, he would be regarded in the same light as Bowden.
I think that last paragraph is a key point that can't be forgotten.

There's also some other factors which I don't think can be ignored... Namely if he moves to College Station, he's 90 minutes from Houston's medical complexes to include MD Anderson, which is one of the premiere cancer/rare disease centers in the world.  I'm not sure this is an insignificant point given the health of his son.   
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 30, 2017, 02:46:06 PM
well, if Fisher moves to College Station and screws up the Frost to UNL dream, Husker fans are going to lose their minds
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 30, 2017, 02:56:08 PM
That wasn't a commentary on Nebraska or Penn State, I just threw in that they were in my group of 3 with Tennessee that is just on the outside.
I think Penn State is still "helmet". They had some rough times in the transition to the B1G, especially as Paterno was getting long in the tooth. I'm sure it's hard to go from East Coast independent to just another storied program in a conference full of them. Then the sanctions hit and hurt badly, but they've recovered through that by getting a "stability" coach in O'Brien and following it up with a strong hire in Franklin.

But they've got a lot going for them:
1) History.
2) Iconic uniforms. That sounds flippant, but Penn State is one of those uniforms that people think of when they think CFB.
3) Top dog in a populous state. 
4) Ready access to both Midwest and East Coast recruiting, and probably able to easily dip into the Northeast and mid-Atlantic and still dominate a recruit's living room.
5) In a good conference playing other "helmets", getting great TV exposure, etc.
6) A young but accomplished coach who looks like he's going to stick around a while. 
A run of bad coaching hires might have knocked PSU out of the helmet perch, but O'Brien and Franklin were the right people at the right time. 
Tennessee has had a run of bad coaches and they're in a more crowded recruiting field. They'll have trouble going into Alabama or Georgia and out-recruiting Saban or Smart, and Florida is crowded as well. They can try to go north, but then they run into the pillars of the B1G (UM/OSU/PSU). The Carolinas are harder with Clemson's ascendancy and the ACC becoming a much stronger conference over time. And if they try to head west they're fighting with OU and Texas. The right hire can mean a LOT for Tennessee, especially if he rebuilds them for a few years and that coincides with Saban's retirement, opening the field in the SEC.
I think Nebraska is the odd man out though. They're no longer what they once were (i.e. the Nebraska "brand" of option football and blackshirt defense has waned), have lost their recruiting pipeline into TX and OK, and they don't have a fertile local recruiting ground to pull from. I worry they're increasingly trying to sell the Nebraska "brand" nationally to kids who are too young to know or care about it.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 30, 2017, 02:56:56 PM
That would be a decent Plan K
Thank you for tracking the inquisition.Who on this Forum will be asked to take the reigns?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 30, 2017, 03:01:49 PM
so, 1 outa 3 ain't bad?
Huh?
I just included Nebraska and PSU to reiterate that PSU, Nebraska and Tennessee were my #8-10 schools on my helmet list in some order, but that my list of true helmets is only 7 deep.
I could have just said, this helps reaffirm my belief that Tennessee isn't QUITE a helmet, and left it at that.  There's a multitude of reasons, along with just gut feel, this debacle isn't making up my mind on it's own, it's just renforcing my already held belief.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 30, 2017, 03:07:23 PM
This has to be one of the weirdest offseason coaching scrums I can remember...
It's been a Tempest of turn over like no other
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 30, 2017, 03:08:38 PM
Huh?
I just included Nebraska and PSU to reiterate that PSU, Nebraska and Tennessee were my #8-10 schools on my helmet list in some order, but that my list of true helmets is only 7 deep.
I could have just said, this helps reaffirm my belief that Tennessee isn't QUITE a helmet, and left it at that.  There's a multitude of reasons, along with just gut feel, this debacle isn't making up my mind on it's own, it's just renforcing my already held belief.
i truly believe this; i'm not just trolling for response as i often do:
UT was a helmet between Fulmer and Kiffin.  Kiffin's leaving them the way he did opened people's eyes- you DON'T do that to a helmet school... it's a 'destination location' and where you're expected to retire (or move on to the retirement league from, anyway).  
His treatment of UT brought the notion forward, and not a little has happened to reinforce it.  a LOT has.
so... you're right.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 30, 2017, 03:24:43 PM
And now UT fans are clamoring for the administration to bring Kiffin back, the coach who basically tarnished their helmet. :smiley_confused1:
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 30, 2017, 03:29:43 PM
i truly believe this; i'm not just trolling for response as i often do:
UT was a helmet between Fulmer and Kiffin.  Kiffin's leaving them the way he did opened people's eyes- you DON'T do that to a helmet school... it's a 'destination location' and where you're expected to retire (or move on to the retirement league from, anyway).  
His treatment of UT brought the notion forward, and not a little has happened to reinforce it.  a LOT has.
so... you're right.
I think when that discussion was going, the vast majority had Tennessee, Penn State and Nebraska in some order between #8 and #10 on their list, the only difference is only strictly you draw that line.  Is is below #7 or below #10.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 30, 2017, 03:30:49 PM
dumping Todd Graham- who by the way is a pretty good college coach despite what some people call his questionable "ethics" for Herm Edwards is baffling to me. Absolute insanity. Herm is 63 years old, he'll be 64 when next season starts, he's never been a college coach, his career winning % in the NFL at Kansas City and NYJ...wait for it.... .417% Yuck.

Made no sense to me either, but following up with a Phoenix buddy who works at ASU and who usually knows what he's talking about, he is saying...

...The AD, Ray Anderson wanted Graham fired last season but there wasn't enough support from the boosters or within the rest of the athletic department. So this season began with Graham effectively fired, even despite the better than expected 7-5 season. The reason he wants Graham out? Well Ray has this vision to change the way a college football program is staffed and coached. Hiring Herm is only a piece of Ray's larger vision to shift resources towards recruiting by hiring dozens of third party advisors to support this heavily resourced recruiting department. Ray also believes role of HC is to act as CEO and friendly face to the university brand while leaving the field-level coaching to all the assistants. Which explains why the terms of Herm's hiring mandate a retention of handpicked assistants. And also explains why Herm is taking this job if it seems he's on the older side or has been off the field too long to be ready for getting back into the weeds of the players and game planning.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on November 30, 2017, 03:30:55 PM
And now UT fans are clamoring for the administration to bring Kiffin back, the coach who basically tarnished their helmet. :smiley_confused1:
Hollywood couldn't make up a story as rich as this one, sir.  
and this is just what's on the surface... what's under is intrigue and deception- betrayal and conspiracy. 
it'll be a movie some day. :)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on November 30, 2017, 03:32:37 PM
I think that last paragraph is a key point that can't be forgotten.

There's also some other factors which I don't think can be ignored... Namely if he moves to College Station, he's 90 minutes from Houston's medical complexes to include MD Anderson, which is one of the premiere cancer/rare disease centers in the world.  I'm not sure this is an insignificant point given the health of his son.  
It took damn near 30 years for Alabama to really pop out of Bear's shadow, wouldn't you say?  And it took a guy who's becoming almost equally as iconic (almost) to do it.  Even still, they won a title in that span and still all you see are houndstooth caps at the games.  
In an almost odd sense, the one thing PSU will be able to do much easier than either FSU or Bama is get out of Paterno's shadow b/c of obvious reasons.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 30, 2017, 03:33:51 PM
Hollywood couldn't make up a story as rich as this one, sir.  
and this is just what's on the surface... what's under is intrigue and deception- betrayal and conspiracy.
it'll be a movie some day. :)
GlenGarry Glen Ross?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on November 30, 2017, 03:36:53 PM

A run of bad coaching hires might have knocked PSU out of the helmet perch, but O'Brien and Franklin were the right people at the right time.
Nailed it right with this sentence.  At both points, PSU was as close to an undesireable position as you could get in perception, yet they hit big (at least to this point) on both hires.  I guess my point is, if you're not a true blueblood, I don't think you get either guy and I don't think you recover anywhere close as quickly as Penn St did. 
The sanctions were meant to decapitate Penn State, let's not forget that.  Name me other schools that would have not just survived, but thrived within 5 years (the list is small).  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on November 30, 2017, 03:37:57 PM
i truly believe this; i'm not just trolling for response as i often do:
UT was a helmet between Fulmer and Kiffin.  Kiffin's leaving them the way he did opened people's eyes- you DON'T do that to a helmet school... it's a 'destination location' and where you're expected to retire (or move on to the retirement league from, anyway).  
His treatment of UT brought the notion forward, and not a little has happened to reinforce it.  a LOT has.
so... you're right.
Agree with this.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on November 30, 2017, 03:38:29 PM
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/zeise-is-right/2017/11/30/Todd-Graham-firing-arizona-state-herm-edwards/stories/201711300159

Decent read about Tood Graham.  Not sure what the ASU folks thinking.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 30, 2017, 04:00:06 PM
If they go the interim for a season route it'll be Brady Hoke. Unless Hoke turns them down lol.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/IXehksmkGwvVm/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: rolltidefan on November 30, 2017, 04:17:41 PM
i truly believe this; i'm not just trolling for response as i often do:
UT was a helmet between Fulmer and Kiffin.  Kiffin's leaving them the way he did opened people's eyes- you DON'T do that to a helmet school... it's a 'destination location' and where you're expected to retire (or move on to the retirement league from, anyway).  
His treatment of UT brought the notion forward, and not a little has happened to reinforce it.  a LOT has.
so... you're right.
2 things:
1 - tenn was, and still is, the next man out imo for helmet (along with neb and psu, i won't order them). those 3 were the only ones capable of firmly solidifying helmet status in the next 10-20 years. psu is the only one making strides to do that.
2 - can't blame kiffin or tenn for that move. each coach has a top tier school (or most) even among helmets. usc was that for kiffin. doesn't mean that school is better or whatever, just that for that coach it is "home". rarely does it come that a coach has that opportunity, but when it does, more often than not, the coach will take it. even rarer is when that opportunity comes after that coach gets a premier job. kiffin might be the only example of that.
i said this to a friend a few days ago. tenn fans and alum and most importantly the ad need to start being real. they need to put themselves in similar shoes as bama in 03. you need someone to come in and clean up the mess. bring respect back and make you competitive. after that, reevaluate. doesn't have to be the best coach and certainly not a homerun hire. bama was reeling cause of sanctions, ut from self inflicted wounds. both needed stability and respect restored.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 30, 2017, 04:27:07 PM
i said this to a friend a few days ago. tenn fans and alum and most importantly the ad need to start being real. they need to put themselves in similar shoes as bama in 03. you need someone to come in and clean up the mess. bring respect back and make you competitive. after that, reevaluate. doesn't have to be the best coach and certainly not a homerun hire. bama was reeling cause of sanctions, ut from self inflicted wounds. both needed stability and respect restored.
Has UT reached out to Les Miles?
While I said I didn't want him at Purdue, I think he can bring credibility and stability to Knoxville. And Tennessee uses real grass on the field, so Les might be amenable to it.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 30, 2017, 05:30:59 PM
Tennessee should get Miles. He'd be the perfect guy to bring stability and rebuild the foundation. I don't think he'd win titles or anything, but he could make it competitive and respectable again. For sure. After he cleans up the mess, then you can re-evaluate after. They'd be pretty wise to get Les and bring along a young up and coming OC to be Head Coach in Waiting for Les to groom. Tee Martin....maybe?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 30, 2017, 05:40:38 PM
Tennessee, Nebraska, and Penn State are still helmets imo. Blue bloods? No, but there's a difference between helmet and blue blood. Only about 7 blue bloods. USC, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Texas. Those teams are always get the breaks and more props than they deserve at times no matter the record because of the tradition, history, and size of the fan base.

Then there's probably another maybe 10 teams that are helmets. Nebraska, LSU, Penn State, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, Florida State, Miami, Auburn, and maybe Clemson now.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 30, 2017, 05:50:57 PM
I'm more generous than most, when doling out Helmet status.

Notre Dame
Big XII: Texas, Oklahoma
ACC: Florida State, Miami
SEC: (E) Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, (W) Auburn, Bama, LSU
Big Ten: OSU, PSU, Nebraska, Ttun

Just outside: aTm, Clemson, UCLA 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 30, 2017, 05:58:40 PM
2 things:
1 - tenn was, and still is, the next man out imo for helmet (along with neb and psu, i won't order them). those 3 were the only ones capable of firmly solidifying helmet status in the next 10-20 years. psu is the only one making strides to do that.
2 - can't blame kiffin or tenn for that move. each coach has a top tier school (or most) even among helmets. usc was that for kiffin. doesn't mean that school is better or whatever, just that for that coach it is "home". rarely does it come that a coach has that opportunity, but when it does, more often than not, the coach will take it. even rarer is when that opportunity comes after that coach gets a premier job. kiffin might be the only example of that.
i said this to a friend a few days ago. tenn fans and alum and most importantly the ad need to start being real. they need to put themselves in similar shoes as bama in 03. you need someone to come in and clean up the mess. bring respect back and make you competitive. after that, reevaluate. doesn't have to be the best coach and certainly not a homerun hire. bama was reeling cause of sanctions, ut from self inflicted wounds. both needed stability and respect restored.
Greg McElroy is awful, but he made a similar point this morning and I totally agree.  Alabama needed Shula, so they could position themselves to get Saban.  Tennessee is looking for their Saban, and they need their Shula, a guy who understands the school, unites the fan base, and puts them in a position to make their home run hire.  Not everyone lucks into having a alum just happen to be the best coach on the market in a year they are looking like UM with Harbaugh or Nebraska with Frost.  Without the availability of those two, I'm not convinced those two searches look much different than the Tennessee search.  A historically great program, way down, but with bloated expectations is just about the worst situation to walk into for the type of coach that a type of program like that would target as a Plan A
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on November 30, 2017, 06:01:02 PM
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/zeise-is-right/2017/11/30/Todd-Graham-firing-arizona-state-herm-edwards/stories/201711300159

Decent read about Tood Graham.  Not sure what the ASU folks thinking.  
See Catsby's post above, he details pretty much what I been hearing. But like the article you linked says, our AD is indeed delusional.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 30, 2017, 06:55:39 PM
sounds an awful lot like Frost to Nebraska is pretty much done. Here's an article with some excerpts from an interview that Frost did with sports radio in Orlando area.
 (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/open-mike/os-sp-scott-frost-ucf-nebraska-cornhuskers-20171130-story.html)
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/open-mike/os-sp-scott-frost-ucf-nebraska-cornhuskers-20171130-story.html (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/open-mike/os-sp-scott-frost-ucf-nebraska-cornhuskers-20171130-story.html)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 30, 2017, 07:08:55 PM
hopefully, Frost can get the Huskers back into the group of helmets
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on November 30, 2017, 07:49:58 PM
Nebraska already is a helmet IMO. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 30, 2017, 08:01:48 PM
I agree, but perception is reality.  Obviously some fans and not only young fans, think the Huskers have slipped too far.

only about 5-8 teams can compare with this list:

Nebraska Football Top 10
• Nebraska is 893-379-40 all-time, one of only 10 schools with 800 wins.

• The Cornhuskers are fifth all-time with their 893 victories.

• Nebraska has won five national titles (1970, 1971, 1994, 1995, 1997).

• The Huskers have won 46 conference championships.

• Nebraska’s 53 all-time bowl appearances rank second in NCAA history.

• Three Huskers have won the Heisman Trophy (Rodgers, Rozier, Crouch).

• Nebraska’s 107 football Academic All-Americans lead the nation.

• The Huskers have 110 first-team All-Americans in school history.

• Nebraska football is the only team in any sport in NCAA history to total 100 athletic and academic All-Americans.

• Memorial Stadium has been sold out every game since Nov. 2, 1962, a streak of 360 consecutive sellouts.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 30, 2017, 08:03:10 PM
but, I agree, Frost needs to win the west and then win the B1G to put the shine back on those White Helmets
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 30, 2017, 08:24:59 PM
The Horror,that just doesn't work for me.It's just crazy talk - so stop it
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 30, 2017, 08:26:53 PM
you read between the lines?

beating the Badgers and regaining the BIG RED title

whipping Urban and the Bucks!!!
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on November 30, 2017, 08:28:36 PM
Ya well i'm about to go 3-0 in my coaches predictions.You owe me some Bud Fat pal
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on November 30, 2017, 08:30:20 PM
Scott Frost at the podium in Lincoln Sunday afternoon and it's Bud Fat for EVERYBODY!!!
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 30, 2017, 09:24:58 PM
It took damn near 30 years for Alabama to really pop out of Bear's shadow, wouldn't you say?  And it took a guy who's becoming almost equally as iconic (almost) to do it.  Even still, they won a title in that span and still all you see are houndstooth caps at the games.  
In an almost odd sense, the one thing PSU will be able to do much easier than either FSU or Bama is get out of Paterno's shadow b/c of obvious reasons.  
Well.....what would you wear to promote Gene Stallings?  A grimace?  lol
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 30, 2017, 09:40:48 PM
Top 10 All-Time Win%, and Win% in the past 10 years (07-16):
1. Michigan (.591)
2. Notre Dame  (.591)
3. Ohio St  (.825)
4. Oklahoma  (.781)
5. Alabama  (.857)
6. Texas  (.633)
7. Southern Cal  (.718)
8. Nebraska  (.651)
9. Penn St  (.674)
11. Tennessee  (.535)

(FSU has passed UTK)

All this attention on UNL, PSU, and UTK....but look at 1 and 2.  Yes, Tennessee is the worst off, but UM and ND are next up.  Michigan thought they got their guy, but from a W-L perspective, Harbaugh has turned banal.  ND was on the cusp of getting rid of their Kelly, but this year he's held onto the job for awhile.  I'm not sure if that's good or bad for the long-term.

And if Texas doesn't figure it out soon, they'll be in as much hot water as anyone.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on November 30, 2017, 11:08:51 PM
Sumlin apparently said no, so it's on to Leach!
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Hawkinole on December 01, 2017, 12:37:01 AM
Sumlin apparently said no, so it's on to Leach!
FSU will have an opening tomorrow -- so it appears. I am so relieved to see Jimbo Fisher leave. I don't like having him as the face of the program at my alma mater.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CWSooner on December 01, 2017, 12:38:05 AM
I've been told that the NBC station out of D/FW is reporting that Leach has accepted the job at Tennessee.

This should be more fun than a barrel of monkeys.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 01, 2017, 01:10:00 AM
Reports say no offer made, nothing imminent.  

Anywho, if you can't work it out with your (literal) 15th choice, keep your chin up, because #16 might say yes!!!
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MarqHusker on December 01, 2017, 01:16:42 AM
I think this makes sense.  Leach can take a pirate ship to Neyland.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on December 01, 2017, 06:45:26 AM
Mike Leach would be awesome and hilarious.  Still, my spidey sense is saying that the AD flew to Los Angeles to interview candidates.  Tee Martin is currently in Los Angeles and it makes sense the AD would come to him because he has a game on Saturday.  So I'm guessing Tee Martin.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on December 01, 2017, 07:03:05 AM
Nebraska already is a helmet IMO.
If Nebraska's not a helmet, then everyone might as well just wear leather helmets.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2017, 07:05:54 AM
Mike Leach would be awesome and hilarious.  Still, my spidey sense is saying that the AD flew to Los Angeles to interview candidates.  Tee Martin is currently in Los Angeles and it makes sense the AD would come to him because he has a game on Saturday.  So I'm guessing Tee Martin.
I can't recall a worse coaching search since I've been paying attention.

Tennessee needs to fire the AD and let Fulmer lead this search. At the very least he has credibility. The AD right now has none, zero, zilch, nada.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 01, 2017, 07:22:42 AM
Oh, it can always get worse. 

Akron fired their last coach, while he was on his way to his mother's funeral. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 01, 2017, 08:22:17 AM
as far as UT reports go, this one is the funniest/strangest:  It's being reported Jimmy Haslam (the seed of UT issues; owner of the Browns; owner of Flying J/Pilot; biggest single booster of UT athletics; self appointed overseer of all things) has been calling state representatives (the ones that ignorantly commented about Schiano) telling them "YOU don't choose who coaches at UT- I DO!!!".   

this UT thing is a LOT more than just an incompetent AD and Chancellor, even though that's all that's being covered.  The power play going on up there is hysterical- and there isn't an end in sight. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2017, 08:32:14 AM
Oh, it can always get worse.

Akron fired their last coach, while he was on his way to his mother's funeral.
That's terrible.
His mother died not knowing her son didn't have to coach at Akron anymore?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on December 01, 2017, 09:03:40 AM
as far as UT reports go, this one is the funniest/strangest:  It's being reported Jimmy Haslam (the seed of UT issues; owner of the Browns; owner of Flying J/Pilot; biggest single booster of UT athletics; self appointed overseer of all things) has been calling state representatives (the ones that ignorantly commented about Schiano) telling them "YOU don't choose who coaches at UT- I DO!!!".  

this UT thing is a LOT more than just an incompetent AD and Chancellor, even though that's all that's being covered.  The power play going on up there is hysterical- and there isn't an end in sight.
UT should tell that incompetent NFL owner where to stick it.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 01, 2017, 09:09:57 AM
UT should tell that incompetent NFL owner where to stick it.
... but then they lose the promised 1/2 burden for the planned renovations.  
the man 'bought' himself a seat at the table.  he has both davenport and currie on a leash.  
he's supremely competent, as you know- just look at what he's accomplished at the storied Browns.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on December 01, 2017, 09:18:08 AM
UT would be just fine without the Haslams' money.  In fact, it'd probably be addition by subtraction.

They should take a firm stance, say "you can donate to us all you want, but UT decides when and where it will be allocated.  If you don't like it, then don't bother donating".
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 09:50:39 AM
no deal yet with Leach and Tennessee. The twitters are saying the Tennessee AD Currie has been fired.

Leach would be a good hire. If he get a great defensive co-ordinator to come with him. Offensive guru, but he might be a better fit at under-dog schools like Tech and Wazzu than he would be at a helmet like Tennessee. He's pretty out there. I think he's great, but there's no doubt he's a personality. And he did get fired in scandal at Texas Tech, and he did try to sue the school and he's publicly opined about how it's BS he can't sue Texas Tech because of Texas state laws. Fans might not care about the firing scandal or the lawsuits, but the people hiring him definitely are. Might hurt his candidacy at helmet schools who feel like his personality isn't worth the risk.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2017, 09:54:15 AM
I'm more generous than most, when doling out Helmet status.

Notre Dame
Big XII: Texas, Oklahoma
ACC: Florida State, Miami
SEC: (E) Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, (W) Auburn, Bama, LSU
Big Ten: OSU, PSU, Nebraska, Ttun

Just outside: aTm, Clemson, UCLA

You don't have to do it, but I'd like to hear the reasoning behind the ones in bold, and in particular the ones in red. I'd also like to know where Southern California fits in, or doesn't, in your opinion.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 09:57:15 AM
If Nebraska's not a helmet, then everyone might as well just wear leather helmets.  
it's definitely a helmet, but it's slipping, in desperate need of new blood. 2 of the last 3 hires were horrendous. Bill Callahan and Mike Riley? Yuck. Pelini wasn't great by any stretch but he was solid and was superior to those other 2 guys. Scott Frost can come in and bring them that new blood. Frost would be an ace recruiter there. He played there, he knows it. He could really sell it.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on December 01, 2017, 10:01:03 AM
You don't have to do it, but I'd like to hear the reasoning behind the ones in bold, and in particular the ones in red. I'd also like to know where Southern California fits in, or doesn't, in your opinion.
Along with Michigan, OSU, and Notre Dame, USC completes the Mount Rushmore of helmets.  I believe Stewart M. of SI even said as such - those four cannot be touched.  Even schools like Alabama and Texas are subject to demotion.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 01, 2017, 10:03:50 AM
yup... currie has been fired. what a shit show. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: utee94 on December 01, 2017, 10:07:35 AM
I can't recall a worse coaching search since I've been paying attention.

Tennessee needs to fire the AD and let Fulmer lead this search. At the very least he has credibility. The AD right now has none, zero, zilch, nada.
And as if on cue, reports that Tennessee has fired the AD.  No insights though, on whether or not Fulmer has been tasked with taking over the search.


Man I was really hoping they'd bring in Leach.  I think he'd do very well there, and it would be highly entertaining to watch how he interacted with the rest of the SEC coaches/administrations.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 10:08:16 AM
Along with Michigan, OSU, and Notre Dame, USC completes the Mount Rushmore of helmets.  I believe Stewart M. of SI even said as such - those four cannot be touched.  Even schools like Alabama and Texas are subject to demotion.
I'd definitely put Alabama up there with M, OSU, ND, and USC. Those 5 are the untouchables imo.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 01, 2017, 10:10:42 AM
And as if on cue, reports that Tennessee has fired the AD.  No insights though, on whether or not Fulmer has been tasked with taking over the search.


Man I was really hoping they'd bring in Leach.  I think he'd do very well there, and it would be highly entertaining to watch how he interacted with the rest of the SEC coaches/administrations.  
and this will be opportunity to see if my paragraph function works...  :67:
Currie was set up to fail in this debacle- Fulmer IS the interim AD, and supposedly has a very big name on stand by for announcement.  
the struggles in that office and all the intrigue will be available once the dust settles, but fellas- this is a saga worthy of the silver screen... 

Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on December 01, 2017, 10:11:58 AM
I'd definitely put Alabama up there with M, OSU, ND, and USC. Those 5 are the untouchables imo.
Now that Saban is tearing it up in T-Town, a strong case can be made for Bama.

However, before 2007, they were one more bad hire away from being Tennessee.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 10:14:45 AM
Now that Saban is tearing it up in T-Town, a strong case can be made for Bama.

However, before 2007, they were one more bad hire away from being Tennessee.
Maybe. But they had way more tradition/success to begin with than Tennessee. Way more iconic of a program, even before they landed Saban. Saban tearing it up just adds to the already tremendous legacy of that program. To me those 5 programs are just iconic, pretty synonymous with college football. When you think of college football- you think of those programs.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on December 01, 2017, 10:20:48 AM
it's definitely a helmet, but it's slipping, in desperate need of new blood. 2 of the last 3 hires were horrendous. Bill Callahan and Mike Riley? Yuck. Pelini wasn't great by any stretch but he was solid and was superior to those other 2 guys. Scott Frost can come in and bring them that new blood. Frost would be an ace recruiter there. He played there, he knows it. He could really sell it.
No doubt.  Nebraska will always be a helmet to me, tho, but I agree with what you're saying.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 10:23:00 AM
Jeff Fisher lobbying for the Tennessee job. Says he considers Tennessee home and he would take the job if offered.

Please Tennessee. Don't do it. For the love of god.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on December 01, 2017, 10:32:16 AM
Maybe. But they had way more tradition/success to begin with than Tennessee. Way more iconic of a program, even before they landed Saban. Saban tearing it up just adds to the already tremendous legacy of that program. To me those 5 programs are just iconic, pretty synonymous with college football. When you think of college football- you think of those programs.
That is all true, but being hypothetical, let's say that the Mike Price deal actually worked out (in the sense that he actually coached for them).  He'd probably be cranking out 7-10 win seasons pretty consistently for a few years until the fanbase would grow tired and want more.  By the time he'd have gotten canned anyway (say, 5 or 6-ish seasons), Saban would have almost certainly been off the market by that point and Bama would have been forced to settle yet again.
So it's not far-fetched to think that Bama could be mired in an extended rut of mediocrity.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2017, 10:33:10 AM
Mike Leech has a young stud D coordinator

they are currently #17 in total yards per game and #3 in passing yards allowed per game

in the PAC

rumors in Lincoln that Scott Frost is looking to this guy as a D coordinator
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 10:34:16 AM
Mike Leech has a young stud D coordinator

they are currently #17 in total yards per game and #3 in passing yards allowed per game

in the PAC

rumors in Lincoln that Scott Frost is looking to this guy as a D coordinator
rumors are also that if Leach jumps, Wazzu is going to promote that DC to head coach.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 10:41:34 AM
That is all true, but being hypothetical, let's say that the Mike Price deal actually worked out (in the sense that he actually coached for them).  He'd probably be cranking out 7-10 win seasons pretty consistently for a few years until the fanbase would grow tired and want more.  By the time he'd have gotten canned anyway (say, 5 or 6-ish seasons), Saban would have almost certainly been off the market by that point and Bama would have been forced to settle yet again.
So it's not far-fetched to think that Bama could be mired in an extended rut of mediocrity.
it's happened to every school but Ohio State. Even at USC. Notre Dame has gone through an almost uninterrupted extended rut of mediocrity for 25 years.

Michigan was on the verge of absolutely cratering and being where Tennessee is at after Carr retired and the disaster that was Hoke and Rodriguez for a decade. They just happened to luck out that year they fired Hoke that Harbaugh was available and he was not only an alum, but that he grew up in Ann Arbor and his father coached for Bo, and Jim was the starting QB for Bo and probably the best QB that Bo ever had. Jim idolizes Bo. Not sure they'd have landed him otherwise. He's probably coaching another NFL team if those connections didn't run that deep.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2017, 11:08:00 AM
and this will be opportunity to see if my paragraph function works...  :67:
Currie was set up to fail in this debacle- Fulmer IS the interim AD, and supposedly has a very big name on stand by for announcement.  
the struggles in that office and all the intrigue will be available once the dust settles, but fellas- this is a saga worthy of the silver screen...


https://twitter.com/OldTakesExposed/status/936611588735369216
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on December 01, 2017, 11:13:15 AM
it's happened to every school but Ohio State. Even at USC. Notre Dame has gone through an almost uninterrupted extended rut of mediocrity for 25 years.

Michigan was on the verge of absolutely cratering and being where Tennessee is at after Carr retired and the disaster that was Hoke and Rodriguez for a decade. They just happened to luck out that year they fired Hoke that Harbaugh was available and he was not only an alum, but that he grew up in Ann Arbor and his father coached for Bo, and Jim was the starting QB for Bo and probably the best QB that Bo ever had. Jim idolizes Bo. Not sure they'd have landed him otherwise. He's probably coaching another NFL team if those connections didn't run that deep.
ND needs to man up and become a full member of the ACC and be done with it.  The lack of a conference championship game, and conference money, is only hurting them.  They may no longer get preferential treatment, but they'll have the entire eastern seaboard to recruit from.  They'll probably be at least in the thick of divisional championships most years.
As for Michigan, the jury is still out on Harbaugh.  He's an upgrade over RichRod and Hoke, but probably similar to Carr right now.  He's not in any immediate danger of being fired, but he could at least use a win over OSU.  And he needs to beat Sparty and PSU with more consistency too.  8-4 should be a down year for him - he's too good to let this be the norm.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2017, 11:33:38 AM
... but then they lose the promised 1/2 burden for the planned renovations.  
the man 'bought' himself a seat at the table.  he has both davenport and currie on a leash.  
he's supremely competent, as you know- just look at what he's accomplished at the storied Browns.  
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP8U8r6X0AAmpSa.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 11:50:06 AM
ND needs to man up and become a full member of the ACC and be done with it.  The lack of a conference championship game, and conference money, is only hurting them.  They may no longer get preferential treatment, but they'll have the entire eastern seaboard to recruit from.  They'll probably be at least in the thick of divisional championships most years.
As for Michigan, the jury is still out on Harbaugh.  He's an upgrade over RichRod and Hoke, but probably similar to Carr right now.  He's not in any immediate danger of being fired, but he could at least use a win over OSU.  And he needs to beat Sparty and PSU with more consistency too.  8-4 should be a down year for him - he's too good to let this be the norm.
ND should join the B1G. Not the ACC. If the conferences are going to expand to 16 teams, ND belongs in the B1G.

I have to laugh at people who say that about Harbaugh. He is very close to breaking through. He took over a 5-7 team, flipped it to 10-3 his first year. Would've been 11-2 if not for an absolute miracle with that Kick 6. Or Punt 6 I should say. His 2nd year they were literally inches away in OT on 4th down from finishing the regular season 11-1 and playing in the B1G CG as a play-in spot for the playoff. He's 2-1 against MSU if not for an absolute miracle and gift from the Football Gods on that disastrous punt play with 8 seconds left in the game. He's 2-1 against Franklin- including beating him in Happy Valley his first year taking over a 5-7 team and then a 40 point beat-down in Ann Arbor last year. No question he needs to do better against OSU and MSU.
His 3rd year he's 8-4 with 3 losses to top 10 teams- two of which were on the road- (@W, OSU, @PSU) after losing 43 seniors, 11 guys to the NFL draft, and 17 starters, and starting 3 different QB's- and suddenly the guy can't coach. He is a wayyyyyyy better coach than Lloyd Carr.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on December 01, 2017, 11:51:12 AM
Tennessee already has part of the Browns' color scheme. Now all they need to do is throw in some chocolate brown in an alt-uni and masquerade as the Browns.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 11:54:05 AM
Tennessee already has part of the Browns' color scheme. Now all they need to do is throw in some chocolate brown in an alt-uni and masquerade as the Browns.
well both football teams have the same owner: Jimmy Haslam. Mere coincidence that both programs are complete sh!t shows? I think not.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2017, 12:02:44 PM
well both football teams have the same owner: Jimmy Haslam. Mere coincidence that both programs are complete sh!t shows? I think not.
Yeah, I think that's the point.  Wasn't he a lifelong Steelers fan, and tried to buy an interest there, and was basically told no, even though he was the highest bidder?  That should tell you something.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on December 01, 2017, 12:04:27 PM
ND should join the B1G. Not the ACC. If the conferences are going to expand to 16 teams, ND belongs in the B1G.

I have to laugh at people who say that about Harbaugh. He is very close to breaking through. He took over a 5-7 team, flipped it to 10-3 his first year. Would've been 11-2 if not for an absolute miracle with that Kick 6. Or Punt 6 I should say. His 2nd year they were literally inches away in OT on 4th down from finishing the regular season 11-1 and playing in the B1G CG as a play-in spot for the playoff. He's 2-1 against MSU if not for an absolute miracle and gift from the Football G-Ds on that disastrous punt play with 8 seconds left in the game. He's 2-1 against Franklin- including beating him in Happy Valley his first year taking over a 5-7 team and then a 40 point beat-down in Ann Arbor last year. No question he needs to do better against OSU and MSU.
His 3rd year he's 8-4 with 3 losses to top 10 teams- two of which were on the road- (@W, OSU, @PSU) after losing 43 seniors, 11 guys to the NFL draft, and 17 starters, and starting 3 different QB's- and suddenly the guy can't coach. He is a wayyyyyyy better coach than Lloyd Carr.
ND fits better in the B1G geographically, but the B1G probably wants ND more than the other way around.  If ND is pressured into joining a conference, they'll most likely become full ACC members.  It's usually an easier conference to win, and the recruiting grounds are more fertile. 

Make no mistake, I was not knocking Harbaugh.  He's realistically the best coach UM can get, and he's got the potential to do something special, but he really hasn't proven anything yet (other than what he did at Stanford and San Fran)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2017, 12:06:37 PM
ND fits better in the B1G geographically, but the B1G probably wants ND more than the other way around.  If ND is pressured into joining a conference, they'll most likely become full ACC members.  It's usually an easier conference to win, and the recruiting grounds are more fertile.  


This.

Plus, yes they are located in Big Ten territory, and probably have a lot of local fans, but for road games, I imagine you have far more ND fans in the ACC footprint than the Big Ten.  I've always assumed a healthy number of ND fans up and down the larger east coast markets, moreso than in Nebraska or Minnesota or Ohio.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 12:42:21 PM
Yeah, I think that's the point.  Wasn't he a lifelong Steelers fan, and tried to buy an interest there, and was basically told no, even though he was the highest bidder?  That should tell you something.
do the Rooney's sell stakes in the team? Just asking, cause I really don't know. I doubt that family will ever sell that team.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 12:47:24 PM
https://twitter.com/OldTakesExposed/status/936611588735369216
just goes to show you how full of hot air the idiots in the media are. Wow.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2017, 12:49:29 PM
just goes to show you how full of hot air the idiots in the media are. Wow.
Just to help you out with any potential carpel tunnel, you can convey the above with far less keystrokes.

Mediots works just fine for what you typed.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 12:51:49 PM
who is more unlikable in this entire Tennessee fiasco? Jimmy Haslam or Clay Travis?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2017, 01:01:31 PM
Mike Leech is too smart to get sucked in

unless he really just wants to retire to Margaritaville with a boatload of $$$

then sign a HUGE deal with a buyout that would dwarf Ferentz, tank the program so they fire him after 2 or 3 seasons and float off into the sunset on his own aircraft carrier.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 01:08:41 PM
Leach's offenses would be fun to see at Tennessee. Tennessee can recruit nationally, and they can recruit top level QB's. Hell they had the #1 or maybe #2 pro-style QB in the 2017 class committed to them in Hunter Johnson out of Indiana before he flipped to Clemson. Clemson was on an NC roll, Butch Jones was on the hot-seat. Pretty easy to see that flip happening. Not that STARZ are the end all be all, but it is easier to get higher rated QB's to come play for you at Tennessee than it is at Washington State. I think Leach's offense would terrorize the SEC. They wouldn't know what hit them.

Washington State lucked into Drew Bledsoe, he was from the area. Also kind of lucked into Ryan Leaf, he was from Montana and hardly anybody knew about him at all. Leaf was coming up WAY before the advent of the internet and the 'crootin sites and YouTube highlight tapes, way before they had all of these Elite 11, Nike, Rivals Challenge, UnderArmour, and Army All-American camps/combines. To get offers and rankings, now all a kid with elite size and athletic ability has to do is go to all those camps and wow. Worked wonders for Shane Morris. He went to them all as a freshman in high school and showed off his arm strength and size in t-shirts and shorts and the rankers went gaga and so did the scholarships. MSU fans like to make fun of him, but Dantonio offered him even before Michigan did.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: rolltidefan on December 01, 2017, 01:11:27 PM
just goes to show you how full of hot air the idiots in the media are. Wow.
to be fair, he hasn't gotten a fair shake in this. his initial hire, while not spectacular, probably would have been a good hire long term.
schiano is a good coach. people forget his success at rutger.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 01:14:06 PM
to be fair, he hasn't gotten a fair shake in this. his initial hire, while not spectacular, probably would have been a good hire long term.
schiano is a good coach. people forget his success at rutger.
same people that were loving the hire, trashing him.
I'm with you. Schiano would've been a good fit to clean that mess up. That Rutgers turnaround was not an easy job. Would Rutgers even have been invited into the B1G and be a P5 program if Schiano never showed up? I highly doubt it. They are probably not even an FBS team if he never got there. He built that thing from scratch.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 01, 2017, 01:20:34 PM
So in this latest episode of As Jimbo's World Turns, local media media has photographed his Christmas Tree as it was discarded at the end of his driveway this morning.

Yes it's not a "done deal" to A&M but with the way he's handled himself this week there's no goodwill left for him to stay in Tallahassee. For some reason (maybe contract incentives?) Jimbo is bent on coaching this last meaningless game while leaving FSU official dealing with the backhanded PR mess. I don't blame FSU officials for telling Jimbo to hurry up and decide, nor would I blame them for scouring his contract for a clause that allows them to remove Jimbo from the sideline this Saturday.

Outsiders of the program must wonder how it turned into this surprising mess? And why would Jimbo ever leave FSU?

I happen to listen to one of those 'insider' program podcasts put on by local beat writers and back in Sept, they were talking about how there was already contention within the athletic department when Jimbo was last season pressured to move onto a new batch of assistants. It was a battle Jimbo really didn't want to fight, and these insiders were saying that when push came to shove he'd probably be willing to look around for another job if it ensured his new employer wouldn't question the staffing of his coaches. That was the first time I'd heard Jimbo's days in Tallahassee might be ending. The podcast went on to elaborate that Jimbo had good seasons left, but to relive the higher success he'd earlier had at FSU it would probably require "different scenery." And what'd'ya know - A&M has brand new facilities and a fan base to match.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2017, 01:21:28 PM
same people that were loving the hire, trashing him.
I'm with you. Schiano would've been a good fit to clean that mess up. That Rutgers turnaround was not an easy job. Would Rutgers even have been invited into the B1G and be a P5 program if Schiano never showed up? I highly doubt it. They are probably not even an FBS team if he never got there. He built that thing from scratch.
As do I.

Rutgers was close to being "Templed" by the BE before he showed up.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 01:32:45 PM
well, sounds like it's official. Bob Ley of ESPN fame reporting that Fisher has left FSU for A&M. Wowzers.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 01:39:57 PM
gonna be fascinating to see what happens with FSU and if it affects Oregon and Nebraska at all.

have a feeling that FSU class could start falling apart. Already has a little bit, as they've lost 4 commits in the past 3 days and are probably going to lose more.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Shiner on December 01, 2017, 01:43:10 PM
A&M handled this to near perfection.  Started talks with Fisher back in September (allegedly).... worked the process behind the scenes throughout the season... Made the decision to let Sumlin go at the right time and has navigated this change well.  Now... Fisher needs to deliver.

Tennessee still on the clock.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on December 01, 2017, 01:44:07 PM
gonna be fascinating to see what happens with FSU and if it affects Oregon and Nebraska at all.

have a feeling that FSU class could start falling apart. Already has a little bit, as they've lost 4 commits in the past 3 days and are probably going to lose more.
For stability purposes they may just want to slap the interim label on one of his coordinators, and if he ends up sucking, go all-out next offseason.  My gut says Willie Taggart stays put in Eugene, for now at least.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 01:46:26 PM
A&M handled this to near perfection.  Started talks with Fisher back in September (allegedly).... worked the process behind the scenes throughout the season... Made the decision to let Sumlin go at the right time and has navigated this change well.  Now... Fisher needs to deliver.

Tennessee still on the clock.
have to hand it to A&M. They handled it like it's supposed to be. There wasn't leaks every other hour of every day of coach so and so being interviewed and then turning the job down. Waited til the end of the season to fire Sumlin, didn't go all half-cocked and fire him mid-season like Tennessee did Butch.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Shiner on December 01, 2017, 01:48:04 PM
Most importantly... A&M did its legwork and started the process awhile ago.  Didn't let Sumlin go until they knew they had his replacement in hand.

That's how you do it.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 01:49:53 PM
For stability purposes they may just want to slap the interim label on one of his coordinators, and if he ends up sucking, go all-out next offseason.  My gut says Willie Taggart stays put in Eugene, for now at least.
hope Willie stays there. would be a shame to see him bolt after 1 year. He turned it around to 7-5 in year 1 and might've done a little better if his starting QB didn't get injured and miss 4 or 5 games. His first true recruiting class of his own is ranked #6 in the nation right now. Would be a shame to just up and leave after one year. You can definitely win a national title at Oregon. Chip Kelly came damn close 3-4 times.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 01, 2017, 02:00:11 PM
I'm so glad Florida's coaching search was boring by comparison.  Yes, the immediacy of McElwain's being let go was odd, but once the season came to a close and Kelly went to UCLA (shrug, weird, okay), we got our next guy.  

What is taking so long for Frost to go to Nebraska?  That's super weird, imo.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on December 01, 2017, 02:01:06 PM
hope Willie stays there. would be a shame to see him bolt after 1 year. He turned it around to 7-5 in year 1 and might've done a little better if his starting QB didn't get injured and miss 4 or 5 games. His first true recruiting class of his own is ranked #6 in the nation right now. Would be a shame to just up and leave after one year. You can definitely win a national title at Oregon. Chip Kelly came damn close 3-4 times.
Oregon certainly has the resources to put together a monster program.  Willie seems to have the program back on track.
Oregon's problem - believe it or not - is recruiting.  They do get respectable talent, but at the end of the day, they don't have the depth of an Alabama or an OSU.  Their starters are every bit as good, especially on offense, but they don't necessarily have extra 4/5 star recruits waiting their turn to shine.  Even their best teams aren't quite up-to-snuff defensively.  They almost beat Auburn in 2010 because AU was 80% offense that year too.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 02:04:14 PM
I'm so glad Florida's coaching search was boring by comparison.  Yes, the immediacy of McElwain's being let go was odd, but once the season came to a close and Kelly went to UCLA (shrug, weird, okay), we got our next guy.  

What is taking so long for Frost to go to Nebraska?  That's super weird, imo.
Frost has got a big game left that I think he really wants to coach and doesn't want distractions for his players. They win against top #20 ranked Memphis team tomorrow he just capped off a perfect 12-0 season and wins the AAC title.

I'd say it's more refreshing that a guy wants to close out the season and win his team a conference championship than it is weird. JMO.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2017, 02:06:51 PM
Per an ASU beat reporter, "[t]here's a belief that players will know/identify with Herm Edwards because of his TV role with ESPN. After talking with ASU players today, I'm not sure that's the case."
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2017, 02:07:22 PM
Saw one report, 10 years, $75 million for Jimbo?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 02:08:26 PM
Oregon certainly has the resources to put together a monster program.  Willie seems to have the program back on track.
Oregon's problem - believe it or not - is recruiting.  They do get respectable talent, but at the end of the day, they don't have the depth of an Alabama or an OSU.  Their starters are every bit as good, especially on offense, but they don't necessarily have extra 4/5 star recruits waiting their turn to shine.  Even their best teams aren't quite up-to-snuff defensively.  They almost beat Auburn in 2010 because AU was 80% offense that year too.
Willie is recruiting like gang busters this year. His ties to Florida and the south are paying off, because he's got a bunch of kids from TX and FL in his class this year.

His class sits at #6 in the nation and #1 in the Pac12. He's got 25 commits and 14 of them are rated 4*'s. And he's still in it for a couple 5*'s and 4*'s and I'd bet he lands some of them. Even in Kelly's best years he wasn't recruiting as well as Taggart has been.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2017, 02:10:10 PM
I'm so glad Florida's coaching search was boring by comparison.  Yes, the immediacy of McElwain's being let go was odd, but once the season came to a close and Kelly went to UCLA (shrug, weird, okay), we got our next guy.  

What is taking so long for Frost to go to Nebraska?  That's super weird, imo.
Frost has a championship game to play still. Look for an announcement on Monday.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 02:12:58 PM
Per an ASU beat reporter, "[t]here's a belief that players will know/identify with Herm Edwards because of his TV role with ESPN. After talking with ASU players today, I'm not sure that's the case."
Lmao. What did they think? Those kids are 18-22 years old. Herm Edwards hasn't coached a football game last since they were 8-12 years old. And it's not like he's a legendary coach that their fathers/brothers/uncles/HS coaches would tell them about. He had a .417% winning percentage in the NFL. They'd have no reason in hell to have any clue who he is.

Not like they were hiring a red hot star NFL coach who had also coached one of the biggest star players in the NFL in college (Luck) like Michigan lucked out with in Harbaugh.

That hire is absolute insanity. Makes no sense.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 02:15:20 PM
Saw one report, 10 years, $75 million for Jimbo?
would be an insane contract, but I've read that in the state of Texas it's nearly impossible for state employees to sue state institutions.

They can basically throw around huge dollar amounts and cancel a contract without having to pay a dime. If Fisher isn't up to snuff, they can just fire him and he'll never collect a dime. Like that huge buyout that Sumlin is suppose to have coming to him- A&M will just not pay him and then he'll try and sue them and get nowhere.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 02:24:10 PM
per former ESPN college football reporter Brett McMurphy, Tennessee AD tried to hire Mike Leach, but university officials wouldn't sign off on it. Might've had something to do with Leach trying to sue his former employer and complaining on twitter how he wasn't allowed to sue them because of Texas state laws.

Leach would've been a really solid hire considering the side show circus freak this thing has been.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on December 01, 2017, 02:24:18 PM
Willie is recruiting like gang busters this year. His ties to Florida and the south are paying off, because he's got a bunch of kids from TX and FL in his class this year.

His class sits at #6 in the nation and #1 in the Pac12. He's got 25 commits and 14 of them are rated 4*'s. And he's still in it for a couple 5*'s and 4*'s and I'd bet he lands some of them. Even in Kelly's best years he wasn't recruiting as well as Taggart has been.
Good for him - now the question is, can he build a consistent Top 25 defense up?  That, and as long as he keeps flirting with Top 5 recruiting classes year-in and year-out, it's probably more of a matter of when and not if Oregon wins a natty.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 02:27:07 PM
Good for him - now the question is, can he build a consistent Top 25 defense up?  That, and as long as he keeps flirting with Top 5 recruiting classes year-in and year-out, it's probably more of a matter of when and not if Oregon wins a natty.
recruiting is all about what you have to sell and who is selling it.

Taggart is a young, energetic coach. Also he's black. Most of the players are black. Just facts. They relate to him very well. Oregon is a great program with top notch facilities and stadium and fan support. They are in a P5 conference and one of the top programs in that conference. As long as they win consistently and are in the top 25 winning at least 8-9 and having years where they are 10-11+ wins and in the playoff hunt- he'll be recruiting top classes year in year out.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 02:50:50 PM
Fat Phil named interim AD at Tennessee. Does this mean he's just going to hire one of his former players in Tee Martin?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Shiner on December 01, 2017, 02:52:45 PM
would be an insane contract, but I've read that in the state of Texas it's nearly impossible for state employees to sue state institutions.

They can basically throw around huge dollar amounts and cancel a contract without having to pay a dime. If Fisher isn't up to snuff, they can just fire him and he'll never collect a dime. Like that huge buyout that Sumlin is suppose to have coming to him- A&M will just not pay him and then he'll try and sue them and get nowhere.
It's not impossible... but it's difficult... and damages are capped by state law.

A&M isn't going to refuse to pay Sumlin out.  We are on the hook to pay him $10.4 million by contract.... he will be paid.  It's the right thing to do, and even if A&M didn't want to pay up we will because we'd never get another coach worth a crap to come to A&M again if we didn't.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2017, 02:53:10 PM
I expect Charlie Strong's name to come up at some point here.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: rolltidefan on December 01, 2017, 02:55:40 PM
Saw one report, 10 years, $75 million for Jimbo?
damn thats a lot
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: rolltidefan on December 01, 2017, 03:01:49 PM
bama dc pruitt was getting some love for hc positions and has ties to fsu. wonder if he's an option there.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 01, 2017, 03:02:45 PM
Fat Phil named interim AD at Tennessee. Does this mean he's just going to hire one of his former players in Tee Martin?
that's not the name i hear.. i'm hearing it's one of three, and has been.  interesting times on the hill. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on December 01, 2017, 03:04:31 PM
recruiting is all about what you have to sell and who is selling it.

Taggart is a young, energetic coach. Also he's black. Most of the players are black. Just facts. They relate to him very well. Oregon is a great program with top notch facilities and stadium and fan support. They are in a P5 conference and one of the top programs in that conference. As long as they win consistently and are in the top 25 winning at least 8-9 and having years where they are 10-11+ wins and in the playoff hunt- he'll be recruiting top classes year in year out.
Exactly.  It's easier for a black coach that's not in the South or East Coast to recruit there than it is for a non-black coach.  It's even easier if  he has roots there.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 01, 2017, 04:22:14 PM
per former ESPN college football reporter Brett McMurphy, Tennessee AD tried to hire Mike Leach, but university officials wouldn't sign off on it. Might've had something to do with Leach trying to sue his former employer and complaining on twitter how he wasn't allowed to sue them because of Texas state laws.

Leach would've been a really solid hire considering the side show circus freak this thing has been.
Are the university officials the academic types that just don't want to have a football program at all? Because I'm having a lot of trouble trying to understand how much of a charlie foxtrot this has been, and how they've let it happen.
It's clear to basically anyone who followed the situation that what happened to Leach was a hatchet job. And that a good portion of the lawsuit was him trying to recover money that he was contractually owed for his coaching duties PRIOR to getting fired (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/01/report-tech-owes-leach-17-million-in-guaranteed-09-money/). 
It almost seems like the administration is basically saying "well, we're shady af and we know it, so we know that when we eventually screw him over, we don't want him suing us." Because any fair reading of the situation doesn't make Leach look overly litigious, it makes him look like someone who was actually wronged and refused to take it lying down lest it ruin his reputation as an admission of guilt.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 04:26:14 PM
Are the university officials the academic types that just don't want to have a football program at all? Because I'm having a lot of trouble trying to understand how much of a charlie foxtrot this has been, and how they've let it happen.
It's clear to basically anyone who followed the situation that what happened to Leach was a hatchet job. And that a good portion of the lawsuit was him trying to recover money that he was contractually owed for his coaching duties PRIOR to getting fired (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/01/report-tech-owes-leach-17-million-in-guaranteed-09-money/).
It almost seems like the administration is basically saying "well, we're shady af and we know it, so we know that when we eventually screw him over, we don't want him suing us." Because any fair reading of the situation doesn't make Leach look overly litigious, it makes him look like someone who was actually wronged and refused to take it lying down lest it ruin his reputation as an admission of guilt.
hey, I'm with you Tennessee is beyond a dumpster fire. I've never seen anything like it.
Schiano would've been a good hire. Leach would've been a great hire.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 01, 2017, 04:29:26 PM
I should say that I'm the type that doesn't like "slimy" coaches. For as horrible as Hazell was as a coach, I honestly believe that he was an honorable man. He represented my alma mater well off the field, and while he didn't have results on the field, he also wasn't a Brian Kelly type turning purple as he blew his top at his players. 

Back in 2011, I wanted Purdue to move on from Danny Hope and get Mike Leach. I absolutely would not have wanted to touch Leach with a 10 foot pole if I believed that any of the allegations of his treatment of Adam James were true. I absolutely would not want a coach who I honestly believed mistreated/abused his players. 

I'd rather my team lose on the field on Saturdays than win without honor. And I wanted Leach, because out of all the mess that happened at Texas Tech, he came out of it looking like the only person in the fracas with any shred of credibility. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 01, 2017, 04:32:11 PM
Saw one report, 10 years, $75 million for Jimbo?
Just heard that,the wheels have fallen of the cart in our culture.I almost don't want to watch anymore perhaps I'm part of the problem - enabler I am.The day is not far off when I'll just be cupping my hand to my ear listening to a Philco Radio.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 01, 2017, 04:35:32 PM
Leach ain't off the hook, yet.. neither is Jeff Fisher... but the one i think they have?  he'd be magic and long term. 

this was a hatchet job that viewed the athletic department as collateral damage. 

i've said it no less than five times- this is the highest drama ever up there, and if not for the meddling of an interloper (who is loaded) it would be totally avoided... even Butch may still have a job there if it had been handled right way back when... i have to ask myself how much of this was prompted by his firing (opportunity) or if his firing was part of it (going back to at least '12)?  

you guys are having a hay day, i get it.... but... this has been brewing at UT for a long time.  there is quite a bit of corruption and nepotism going on there, and all the way back to Hamilton and through Hart's reign.  it starts with them, but most of it goes on above them and they get to catch the flack.   
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2017, 04:40:22 PM
you guys are having a hay day, i get it.   
Maybe some. I feel bad for the true fans (you being one).
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 01, 2017, 04:57:28 PM
ND fits better in the B1G geographically, but the B1G probably wants ND more than the other way around.  If ND is pressured into joining a conference, they'll most likely become full ACC members.  It's usually an easier conference to win, and the recruiting grounds are more fertile.  

Make no mistake, I was not knocking Harbaugh.  He's realistically the best coach UM can get, and he's got the potential to do something special, but he really hasn't proven anything yet (other than what he did at Stanford and San Fran)

Believe me if the East Coast was planted next to that Diva Charade they'd loathe the self absorbed idjits
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on December 01, 2017, 05:02:40 PM
damn thats a lot
Is it though? Seems like commensurate pay for a guy who has been very successful and won a national championship.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: rolltidefan on December 01, 2017, 05:39:36 PM
Maybe some. I feel bad for the true fans (you being one).
as a rival, it's been fun and funny. as a fan of cfb and a fan of a team that's been through similar times, i know it sucks and hurt for the fans who suffer through it.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 01, 2017, 06:09:44 PM
Who is FSU going after? 

Not that this has traction, but I heard that James Franklin was a target. 

With Moorhead gone, and the leaving of offensive weapons, it's possible. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 06:21:12 PM
Is it though? Seems like commensurate pay for a guy who has been very successful and won a national championship.
Hey, if you got it, spend it. 
I think it's the length of contract that's more the wow. 10 years? A&M has a boatload of money, they can spend it how they want.
I don't think the guy is worth $7.5 million a year but hey, that's just me. National Titles are kinda overrated. A lot of that is scheduling breaks, where they put you in the pre-season polls, bounces going your way. 
People get all crazy over the national title=great coach thing. Kind of like Super Bowls = great QB. People try telling me Eli Manning is a HoF QB because he's won 2 Super Bowls. I laugh at those people. Eli has never been anything but a solid, above average QB. He belongs nowhere near the HoF. 
I think Jimbo is a heckuva coach. I'd put him in the Lloyd Carr category. Heckuva a coach. Elite of the elite? Not in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on December 01, 2017, 06:33:08 PM
Who is FSU going after?

Not that this has traction, but I heard that James Franklin was a target.

With Moorhead gone, and the leaving of offensive weapons, it's possible.
I've read Willie Taggart and Justin Fuente are their top candidates
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 01, 2017, 06:34:07 PM
$SU should go for Norvelle.  they'll forget who Fisher was in two games.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 01, 2017, 07:01:48 PM
 People try telling me Eli Manning is a HoF QB because he's won 2 Super Bowls. I laugh at those people. Eli has never been anything but a solid, above average QB. He belongs nowhere near the HoF.

That's just like your opinion man.Just win baby and he did on the biggest stage.He was hot when he had to be
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 07:15:26 PM
That's just like your opinion man.Just win baby and he did on the biggest stage.He was hot when he had to be
Eh. He's obviously a good QB. At times he could really be a heckuva QB. I don't get the people that trash him. I don't get the people that praise him either though. He just is what he is. An above average, good QB. Hall of Fame should only be reserved for the absolute elite. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers. I'd even throw Phillip Rivers in there. He was in the same draft as Ben and Eli and if you're talking about just their abilities as individual players- Rivers was better than either of them, playing for a joke of an organization.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2017, 08:49:55 PM
Who is FSU going after?

Not that this has traction, but I heard that James Franklin was a target.

With Moorhead gone, and the leaving of offensive weapons, it's possible.
I'd rather FSU targets Franklin and not Frost.
Anyone but Frost
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 01, 2017, 08:58:21 PM
I'd rather FSU targets Franklin and not Frost.
Anyone but Frost
Hearing Frost to Nebraska tomorrow. 
Taggart to FSU. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 09:50:01 PM
Hearing Frost to Nebraska tomorrow.
Taggart to FSU.
even Oregon reporters think he's going to FSU.
If only Chip Kelly waited a couple more weeks....he'd been able to go home.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2017, 10:30:07 PM
either tomorrow after the UCF game or Sunday early afternoon in Lincoln

earlier the better for all parties

I hope he tells his team before they take the field tomorrow, win big, and then let the masses know after the game tomorrow
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2017, 10:37:10 PM
even Oregon reporters think he's going to FSU.
If only Chip Kelly waited a couple more weeks....he'd been able to go home.
hopefully, Frost doesn't get a call from Oregon
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 02, 2017, 03:19:15 PM
Eh. He's obviously a good QB. At times he could really be a heckuva QB. I don't get the people that trash him. I don't get the people that praise him either though. He just is what he is. An above average, good QB. Hall of Fame should only be reserved for the absolute elite. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers. I'd even throw Phillip Rivers in there. He was in the same draft as Ben and Eli and if you're talking about just their abilities as individual players- Rivers was better than either of them, playing for a joke of an organization.
Yeah, for the longest time people were talking about "Well Peyton Manning hasn't won a Super Bowl." Well of course he didn't [until he did, of course]. He was playing for a garbage organization that couldn't surround him with the supporting cast to win a Super Bowl. 
Nobody could credibly speak ill of his talent, but he had that "no Super Bowl" hanging over his head. 
Eli is a good QB. I don't think he's a great QB. But he's good enough. Surround him with the right supporting cast, and he wins 2 rings. 
For coaches and National Championships? Obviously you have to be a good coach to put your team in a position to win one. But I think when you get to that level, the coaches who make it to the BCS or the playoff who don't win it aren't no-talent scrubs. Very few coaches make the college football playoff by fluke. Maybe the only one I can think of that reached that level might have been Brian Kelly. The year they went 12-0 by the skin of their teeth and then got demolished by Alabama was maybe more fluke than most. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 02, 2017, 04:10:13 PM
ESPN reporting Frost is leaving for Nebraska

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21643330/ucf-knights-coach-scott-frost-accept-job-new-coach-nebraska-cornhuskers (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21643330/ucf-knights-coach-scott-frost-accept-job-new-coach-nebraska-cornhuskers)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Thumper on December 02, 2017, 04:16:19 PM
Congrats to the Huskers for getting Frost to come home.  Always liked the dude even if he did break my Sooner heart.  :88:
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 02, 2017, 04:16:52 PM
Congrats Nebraska. You got you're guy and beat a number of other brand schools along the way.

IMO:

Other than the Texas A&M hire, getting Frost was the best successful coaching pursuit.

And other than the UCLA hire, Frost is the best candidate from the standpoint of a coaching fit.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 02, 2017, 04:24:05 PM
Congrats Nebraska. You got you're guy and beat a number of other brand schools along the way.

IMO:

Other than the Texas A&M hire, getting Frost was the best successful coaching pursuit.

And other than the UCLA hire, Frost is the best candidate from the standpoint of a coaching fit.
I would call the Frost Hire the best in both categories.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on December 02, 2017, 04:58:43 PM
If Taggart leaves Oregon would be wise just to promote Leavitt to HC. His past crime at USF is old news now, and dude knows how to coach defense unquestionably. Just find a solid OC and Oregon won't miss a step.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on December 02, 2017, 05:00:51 PM
That said if Edwards somehow convinces Leavitt to come be our DC that would go a LOOONG way to winning me over. Not gonna happen though.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 02, 2017, 05:09:37 PM
Oregon will be kinda screwed if Taggart jumps to FSU. I don't know who they hire.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 02, 2017, 05:23:52 PM
Oregon will be kinda screwed if Taggart jumps to FSU. I don't know who they hire.
What if Gus goes home to Arkansas? What the hell would Auburn do?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 02, 2017, 05:31:20 PM
What if Gus goes home to Arkansas? What the hell would Auburn do?
he'd be kinda crazy to leave Auburn for Arkansas.

But BERT left Wisconsin for Arkansas, so hey you never know.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: rook119 on December 02, 2017, 05:45:56 PM
I'm just a northerner so I don't understand this whole SEC politics thing. Can someone explain to me why just because an idiot like Jimmy Haslam trickle downed a few bucks to the athletic dept that he now runs the Tenneesee football program? The SEC has a 1 Billion dollar TV contract why do schools keep kissing the behinds of these idiots? 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on December 02, 2017, 05:47:41 PM
Would Oregon dare hire Jim Leavitt?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 02, 2017, 05:47:49 PM
I'm just a northerner so I don't understand this whole SEC politics thing. Can someone explain to me why just because an idiot like Jimmy Haslam trickle downed a few bucks to the athletic dept that he now runs the Tenneesee football program? The SEC has a 1 Billion dollar TV contract why do schools keep kissing the behinds of these idiots?
I don't think it's an SEC thing.  UM hired a major donor who had nearly ruined the company he ran to he AD, and it went predictably horribly.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CWSooner on December 02, 2017, 05:54:00 PM
Congrats to the Huskers for getting Frost to come home.  Always liked the dude even if he did break my Sooner heart.  :88:
Yep.  Corngrats to the Huskers!
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 02, 2017, 05:58:09 PM
he'd be kinda crazy to leave Auburn for Arkansas.

But BERT left Wisconsin for Arkansas, so hey you never know.
I think Gus is from there though. BB just wanted to take a stab at building his own program.


BB also told his UW players he was leaving so he could have a better chance to win an MNC - oops - I wonder if he'll watch the Badgers tonight...
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 02, 2017, 06:03:51 PM
I think Gus is from there though. BB just wanted to take a stab at building his own program.


BB also told his UW players he was leaving so he could have a better chance to win an MNC - oops - I wonder if he'll watch the Badgers tonight...
man how fricken poetic would that be if Wisconsin gets into the playoff and wins a national title the year he's fired at Arkansas. LMAO.
OOOOPS BERT!
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 02, 2017, 06:06:58 PM
well it's official now. Nebraska has announced the hire.

Brett McMurphy‏Verified account @Brett_McMurphy (https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy) 14m14 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/937091891090395137)


Nebraska officially announces hiring of Scott Frost
 24 replies 104 retweets 212 likes




Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 02, 2017, 06:12:34 PM
can't make this up....ESPN on air broke the story about Frost to Nebraska and live on tv one of the anchors said credit "our very own Brett McMurphy for breaking this story!"

McMurphy did break the story on his twitter acct and on his own website he started. Why did he break that story on his twitter acct and his website? Because ESPN fired McMurphy last year. Lol.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2017, 06:15:54 PM
CORNGRATS HUSKERS!It's crazy how many good/great coaches call the BIG home now.With Brohm/Fleck and now Frost.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 02, 2017, 06:20:04 PM
CORNGRATS HUSKERS!It's crazy how many good/great coaches call the BIG home now.With Brohm/Fleck and now Frost.
One of those is not like the others...
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 02, 2017, 06:20:33 PM
can't make this up....ESPN on air broke the story about Frost to Nebraska and live on tv one of the anchors said credit "our very own Brett McMurphy for breaking this story!"

McMurphy did break the story on his twitter acct and on his own website he started. Why did he break that story on his twitter acct and his website? Because ESPN fired McMurphy last year. Lol.
Are you f'ing kidding me?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 02, 2017, 06:22:32 PM
CORNGRATS HUSKERS!It's crazy how many good/great coaches call the BIG home now.With Brohm/Fleck and now Frost.
yeah the coaching ranks in the B1G is insane right now.

If Frost is the real deal- which many think he is- might not be a better collection of coaching talent than the B1G.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 02, 2017, 06:23:16 PM
even Oregon reporters think he's going to FSU.
If only Chip Kelly waited a couple more weeks....he'd been able to go home.
He's got it made at UCLA.

This year USC and UCLA went 7-1 against the rest of their division, and that's with UCLA so down that they fired their coach.

The LA twins are going 8-0 against the rest of their division most years going forward, with Chip Kelly at UCLA.

The USC-UCLA game will be for the South Division Title.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on December 02, 2017, 06:32:11 PM
Would Oregon dare hire Jim Leavitt?
If they're smart they would.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2017, 07:23:24 PM
yeah the coaching ranks in the B1G is insane right now.

If Frost is the real deal- which many think he is- might not be a better collection of coaching talent than the B1G.
we can only hope
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2017, 07:39:58 PM
Thought Hope was fired  ~???
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 02, 2017, 07:45:35 PM
No shot at the job and don't know if he's ready or a fit but I think Leohnard at Wisconsin could kill it at FSU. His youth, energy, intensity, defensive scheme and NFL experience with the athletes like Derwin James and Levontae Taylor could be pretty scary man.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 02, 2017, 07:57:48 PM
yeah the coaching ranks in the B1G is insane right now.

If Frost is the real deal- which many think he is- might not be a better collection of coaching talent than the B1G.
Frost should be good, but he did just give up 55 points to Memphis.....so let's not build a statue of him just yet.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 02, 2017, 07:59:43 PM
Would Oregon dare hire Jim Leavitt?
This is all kinda trippy - true story......
I went to South Florida my freshman year of college.  Jim Leavitt was the coach.  I went to one game at the Bucs' pirate ship stadium and it was against Western Kentucky.....quarterbacked by Willie Taggart.
Crazy.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 02, 2017, 08:06:32 PM
Frost should be good, but he did just give up 55 points to Memphis.....so let's not build a statue of him just yet.
Hey I'm with you. And I've said as much in the past.
I think Frost was a great hire and has major upside, but there's a risk. He's not a 100% sure thing. Nothing really is. But his sample size is small. Only been a HC for 2 years.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 03, 2017, 01:36:14 AM
sounds like Taggart and FSU are hashing out a deal. Don't know where this leaves Oregon if it happens.

https://247sports.com/Bolt/Willie-Taggart-and-Florida-State-remain-at-the-negotiating-table-111618109 (https://247sports.com/Bolt/Willie-Taggart-and-Florida-State-remain-at-the-negotiating-table-111618109)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2017, 09:13:53 AM
No shot at the job and don't know if he's ready or a fit but I think Leohnard at Wisconsin could kill it at FSU. His youth, energy, intensity, defensive scheme and NFL experience with the athletes like Derwin James and Levontae Taylor could be pretty scary man.
This is only his 2nd year as a coach and first as a DC. I know he did a lot of coaching in the NFL as a player, but still. He needs time.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 03, 2017, 03:10:36 PM
This is only his 2nd year as a coach and first as a DC. I know he did a lot of coaching in the NFL as a player, but still. He needs time.
yeah I don't think he's ready but he's gonna be a head coach one day. bank on it.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 03, 2017, 03:11:19 PM
Are you f'ing kidding me?
wish I was. ESPN at it's finest though....
https://nypost.com/2017/12/03/espn-forgets-it-laid-off-star-reporter/ (https://nypost.com/2017/12/03/espn-forgets-it-laid-off-star-reporter/)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2017, 06:59:22 PM
yeah I don't think he's ready but he's gonna be a head coach one day. bank on it.
He's got young kids in Madison. I don't think he'll leave anytime soon - much like Chryst stayed until it was time.

Jimmy is gonna be a head coach.

I know who the next AD will be. It's Chris McIntosh. He's being groomed.

I can see HCPC sticking around another 6-7 years as the HC. I can also see him sticking on as a co-coach or OC while letting Jimmy take the reigns. Not much ego with those two men.

Jimmy has complete control of his side. Not a lot of HC would allow that. HCPC has done it with Aranda, Wilcox, and now, Jimmy.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2017, 07:00:14 PM
wish I was. ESPN at it's finest though....
https://nypost.com/2017/12/03/espn-forgets-it-laid-off-star-reporter/ (https://nypost.com/2017/12/03/espn-forgets-it-laid-off-star-reporter/)
F ESecPN. Just F 'em.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: GopherRock on December 04, 2017, 08:48:37 AM
Arizona State hires Herm Edwards. WTF...
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: TyphonInc on December 04, 2017, 10:27:26 AM
Arizona State hires Herm Edwards. WTF...
Out with the trash, in with the class.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 04, 2017, 01:36:23 PM
Sounds like Taggert to FSU is basically a done deal, and he's trying to bring Leavitt with him.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2017, 01:41:21 PM
Arizona State hires Herm Edwards. WTF...
I'm far from being a Graham fan, but you don't fire Graham to hire this guy. Jeez.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 04, 2017, 01:43:03 PM
Sounds like Taggert to FSU is basically a done deal, and he's trying to bring Leavitt with him.
Damn. Who does Oregon go after now?  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2017, 01:45:13 PM
Damn. Who does Oregon go after now?  
I think USF should be nervous again..
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 04, 2017, 01:47:12 PM
I think USF should be nervous again..
Charlie Strong was a failure at Texas. I don't think Oregon will go after him. 
He's probably better suited at a small school like USF.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2017, 01:52:07 PM
Texas was/is in a tough spot.

Strong has a pretty good track record aside from that stop.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MarqHusker on December 04, 2017, 01:52:48 PM
The texts/screen shots and hearsay over this Herm / ASU press conference sound very....interesting.     I guess the AD first spent 15 minutes going on about the program, then introduced Herm's Agent, who touted Herm like a WWF manager.  Next up was Herm, and he touted his HS all star team coaching, taking credit for Jameis Winston,   called Darren Woodson  'Rod Woodson',   declared his intentions to put up points on the scoreboard of life, and called college football our 'farm league'.   I'm not sure he knows the names of his OC/DC.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 04, 2017, 01:56:28 PM
The texts/screen shots and hearsay over this Herm / ASU press conference sound very....interesting.     I guess the AD first spent 15 minutes going on about the program, then introduced Herm's Agent, who touted Herm like a WWF manager.  Next up was Herm, and he touted his HS all star team coaching, taking credit for Jameis Winston,   called Darren Woodson  'Rod Woodson',   declared his intentions to put up points on the scoreboard of life, and called college football our 'farm league'.   I'm not sure he knows the names of his OC/DC.
Absolutely bizarre.
And has a predictable ending. Herm Edwards will more than likely be a disaster for them.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 04, 2017, 02:03:59 PM
Texas was/is in a tough spot.

Strong has a pretty good track record aside from that stop.
Does he really though? He coached at Louisville for 4 years, went 7-6 and 7-6, then didn't break through until his last two years when it became the AAC. 

The stint at Texas was pretty damning IMO. Texas wasn't a complete mess and he had 3 years there and was just horrible. Even RichRod did better at Michigan in his 3 years.
He took over an 11-2 team returning most of its starters that Willie Taggart built and will have a worse record despite playing an easier schedule.
I'm not sure Strong is all that.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on December 04, 2017, 02:23:32 PM
The texts/screen shots and hearsay over this Herm / ASU press conference sound very....interesting.     I guess the AD first spent 15 minutes going on about the program, then introduced Herm's Agent, who touted Herm like a WWF manager.  Next up was Herm, and he touted his HS all star team coaching, taking credit for Jameis Winston,   called Darren Woodson  'Rod Woodson',   declared his intentions to put up points on the scoreboard of life, and called college football our 'farm league'.   I'm not sure he knows the names of his OC/DC.
Don't forget it also appeared he didn't know ASU are the Sun Devils
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MarqHusker on December 04, 2017, 02:39:47 PM
"We don't huddle anymore in our society.  That's the problem with it."   Herm on his idea of huddle football.

The touting by the AD and then agent though was just classic WWF.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 04, 2017, 03:03:04 PM
I had never known that Herm Edwards was viewed as such a lousy coach. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 04, 2017, 03:04:06 PM
@charlesrobinson
Why does it sound like Herm Edwards and Arizona State are about to launch a pyramid scheme.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MarqHusker on December 04, 2017, 03:16:30 PM
That's a good speculative angle.   I keep going back to the WWE angle, combined with the nepotism, and this is one bizarre situation.    And why exactly is Herm working for ESPN for another week?  I can seen total resentment by the Asst coaches by the time spring football rolls around.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 04, 2017, 04:14:18 PM
Arizona State hires Herm Edwards. WTF...

Yep; there you have it - Arizona State officially announces Herm Edwards as Head Coach.

Tempe had - what? - 10 full days to take the Tennessee route and revolt. Instead the local media spent last week buying-in while any potential for dissent blew over.

My settled reaction is to compare this to Washington hiring Ty Willingham or Kansas hiring Charlie Weis.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on December 04, 2017, 04:40:59 PM
Absolutely bizarre.
And has a predictable ending. Herm Edwards will more than likely be a disaster for them.
This might be the worst hire, initially speaking, I've ever seen.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 05, 2017, 01:19:12 PM
UCF sticking to Big 12 QBs from my formative years by hiring Missouri OC Josh Heupel to replace Frost
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on December 05, 2017, 01:22:02 PM
Out with the trash, in with the class.
Man I wish we had that eye roll/hand wanking emoticon from the previous board.
Let me fix it for you...
Out with the guy who significantly raised team GPA and graduation rate and had extremely few players get involved in off field incidents, in with the guy who hasn’t coached in almost a decade and hasn’t coached college football in almost 3 decades. 
See? Not being a jackass isn’t that hard, try it sometime.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 05, 2017, 01:36:30 PM
apparently FSU is low-balling Willie Taggart. That one might might fall apart and if it does it'll be because FSU didn't offer him what he wanted to pay staff.

Also, there's this: the 6 most bizzare moments of the Herm Edwards presser. I feel relly sorry for ASU fans. They don't deserve this. Graham was a good coach. That AD should be burned at the stake.

https://247sports.com/Bolt/Herm-Edwards-introductory-Arizona-State-press-conference-The-6-most-bizarre-quotes-111728307 (https://247sports.com/Bolt/Herm-Edwards-introductory-Arizona-State-press-conference-The-6-most-bizarre-quotes-111728307)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on December 05, 2017, 02:41:52 PM

Also, there's this: the 6 most bizzare moments of the Herm Edwards presser. I feel relly sorry for ASU fans. They don't deserve this. Graham was a good coach. That AD should be burned at the stake.

https://247sports.com/Bolt/Herm-Edwards-introductory-Arizona-State-press-conference-The-6-most-bizarre-quotes-111728307 (https://247sports.com/Bolt/Herm-Edwards-introductory-Arizona-State-press-conference-The-6-most-bizarre-quotes-111728307)
Yeah, I’m not super optimistic about this at all. At least Edwards has made one smart move so far and that’s announcing that he will be retaining the entire offensive staff. The improvement they made from 2016 to 2017 has been great and it will help not to force the offense to learn yet another new offensive system. 
Still hasn’t announced what he’s doing regarding defensive staff...
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 05, 2017, 03:57:55 PM
Fox Sports' Bruce Feldman is reporting that Taggart and FSU have a deal in place. Not surprising, but I was still kinda hoping he'd stay.

Quote
BREAKING #Oregon (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Oregon?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)’s Willie Taggart is expected to become the next head coach at #FSU (https://twitter.com/hashtag/FSU?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw), source tell me.
— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) December 5, 2017 (https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/938146589922811905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
this leaves Oregon scrambling to find a coach. Hey, Tim Drevno is available if they are looking for another Harbaugh disciple to replace the one they just lost to FSU.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 05, 2017, 04:17:13 PM
ESPN reporting it as official now. Taggart to FSU. I don't like it. One season then bail? Shades of Lane Kiffen to me.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21679513/willie-taggart-leaving-oregon-take-florida-state-coaching-job (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21679513/willie-taggart-leaving-oregon-take-florida-state-coaching-job)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 05, 2017, 05:51:44 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/938155419788369920
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: PSUinNC on December 05, 2017, 05:57:22 PM
Along the lines of the 'helmet' discussion, does this past offseason start to clearly show what are and aren't considered 'destination' jobs in CFB (I will say again I think the UT thing is an anomaly and they are a helmet/destination)/
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 05, 2017, 06:31:24 PM
Kudos to Sun Devil nation for not accusing Herm of being a child rapist in order to get him out of there. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 05, 2017, 06:40:42 PM
Kudos to Sun Devil nation for not accusing Herm of being a child rapist in order to get him out of there.
they should've accused him of being old and senile. that press conference makes me think that just might be the case.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 05, 2017, 06:41:33 PM
lotta smoke that Georgia DC Mel Tucker will be offered the Tennessee job by Fulmer.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 05, 2017, 06:53:13 PM
ESPN reporting it as official now. Taggart to FSU. I don't like it. One season then bail? Shades of Lane Kiffen to me.

Yeah, shady.
Initially I looked at it and thought "maybe it was a culture thing", thinking that maybe he had trouble transitioning to Eugene. I could understand that, if he just really didn't fit with the culture. I could understand wanting to come back "home" to his own state. That would make sense if perhaps he didn't recognize how different it would be and realized he was just in the wrong place.
But then I saw that he spent a few years working under Harbaugh at Stanford, so clearly he'd had a taste of West Coast culture prior to getting the Oregon job. He had to have an understanding of what he was getting into.
I'm of the opinion that when you decide to start a job like that, you stick around at least 3-4 years before leaving for a bigger job. You don't leave your team in the lurch like Kiffin or Taggart did. That's just job-hopping. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 05, 2017, 07:16:46 PM
lotta smoke that Georgia DC Mel Tucker will be offered the Tennessee job by Fulmer.
That will not end well.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 05, 2017, 07:31:23 PM
ESPN reporting it as official now. Taggart to FSU. I don't like it. One season then bail? Shades of Lane Kiffen to me.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21679513/willie-taggart-leaving-oregon-take-florida-state-coaching-job (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21679513/willie-taggart-leaving-oregon-take-florida-state-coaching-job)
Don't give two shytes about Taggart but he is originally from FLA.In his defense he couldn't foresee things unfolding the way they did.A position like FSU doesn't come open very often Mia/Fla gigs were just recently filled then Fisher bolts.Who saw that coming 4-5 yrs removed from him & crablegs grabbing the hardware.Prolly intersted in 1 of the 3 being a Fla Guy.Strike while the Iron is hot for all we know it could have been his ultimate destination
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 05, 2017, 07:40:44 PM
in this business, look out for yourself

and most smart coaches do

if Ferentz hadn't loaded his buyout clause, he'd have been fired a couple times
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 05, 2017, 08:18:11 PM
lotta smoke that Georgia DC Mel Tucker will be offered the Tennessee job by Fulmer.
A former OSU D-Coordinator with a resume that pales in comparison to that of Schiano? 
Sounds about right. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 05, 2017, 08:37:31 PM
and it's crazy, but Mel might be just the guy for the job

ya never know until 4 or 5 years down the road
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 05, 2017, 08:37:52 PM
former Clemson OC and SMU head coach Chad Morris to Arkansas. He was 14-22 overall the last 3 years at SMU. 8-16 in the AAC.

Not sure that's really an upgrade over BERT.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 05, 2017, 08:38:40 PM
and it's crazy, but Mel might be just the guy for the job

ya never know until 4 or 5 years down the road
true.
but from where I sit, I'd rather have Schiano than Mel Tucker. That's just me though.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 05, 2017, 08:40:01 PM
so would the previous Vol AD

just sayin....
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on December 05, 2017, 08:54:52 PM
former Clemson OC and SMU head coach Chad Morris to Arkansas. He was 14-22 overall the last 3 years at SMU. 8-16 in the AAC.

Not sure that's really an upgrade over BERT.
It's not exactly a buyer's market for coaches, given the circumstances Arkansas did ok here.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 05, 2017, 09:00:54 PM
gotta be 4 coaches in the MAC better than that
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on December 05, 2017, 09:08:37 PM
gotta be 4 coaches in the MAC better than that
Not really. Are people really this incapable of looking up what a dumpster fire SMU was before he got there?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 05, 2017, 09:16:32 PM
you might be right, but 7-5 this season with the best win @ Cincy?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 05, 2017, 09:17:30 PM
Speaking of SMU, June Jones had a pretty good year in the CFL.

He took over a bumbling 0-8 team mid-season, and lead them to a 6-4 finish with a few close losses mixed in. 

Damn near lead them to the Playoffs. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 05, 2017, 09:27:37 PM
Speaking of SMU, June Jones had a pretty good year in the CFL.

He took over a bumbling 0-8 team mid-season, and lead them to a 6-4 finish with a few close losses mixed in.

Damn near lead them to the Playoffs.
The CFL coaching is so bad they make Mark Trestman look like a good coach.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 05, 2017, 09:36:58 PM
where's the dislike button

Viking's fan wanting the option
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 05, 2017, 09:46:01 PM
The CFL coaching is so bad they make Mark Trestman look like a good coach.
Trestman is an outstanding coach at that level. 
Most CFB coaches would suck at the NFL level as well (see Saban, Spurrier, ect) but Jones had quite a bit of success at Hawaii, who has been absolutely gawdawful ever since he left. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 05, 2017, 09:47:31 PM
hah, Riley was a very good CFL coach
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 05, 2017, 10:04:45 PM
And Harbaugh was a much better NFL coach than he is at Michigan. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MarqHusker on December 05, 2017, 11:45:53 PM
let's not run down the list of garbage NFL coaches failing in college again, and forgetting the very average (cromulent) job some college guys have done in the NFL.  Not every college coach goes down in flames.   Just as most NFL players are fungible, so are the coaches.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 06, 2017, 06:56:39 AM
where's the dislike button

Viking's fan wanting the option
We don't have that here. This is a safe space.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Cincydawg on December 06, 2017, 08:42:12 AM
Does anyone track this over years by number?  This year seems exceptional to me.

The fans are demanding what many coaches cannot produce obviously, and it remains to be seen which of the FNGs can produce.  Mark Richt was fired after being 10-3 and 9-3 in his last two seasons.

Not every program can win 10 or 11 or 12 games each year, or even often enough to keep the coach safe.

I can understand firing Butch Jones, that was obvious, but what are the chances the FNG is better than Sumlin at A&M?  Or worse?  If your program is already "decent", the odds get better the FNG will be worse.

How long can Harbaugh be comfortable without beating that team down south?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 06, 2017, 08:48:24 AM
I don't think Michigan fans turn on Harbaugh, even if he goes 0-10 vs OSU, 1-9 vs Sparty, and 0-7 vs ND in his first ten years. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 06, 2017, 08:55:54 AM
i read, and it seems obvious i guess to most but was a new insight to me, all of this rotation- especially in the SEC, is trickle down for the Saban effect- but not in the obvious most often spoken way. 

there seems to be an expectation Saban is bouncing in 3~5 years.  he's stacked enough right this second that nobody is going to be able to consitently and truly compete/contend for those three, and possibly four- while it's expected he won't slip in the remaining 1/2 if he stays five more.  

this 'movement' isn't in effort to compete with Saban so much as it's staging to grab the seat when he leaves.  and, the timing makes sense. 

UGA most likely got lucky last year, but aTm picking up Jimbo is presumably 2~3 years out from his having his select people in place on the field and the culture in rhythm to his drums.  That is good timing.  UF picking up Mullen is a good hire and will allow him the same courtesy (though UF really doesn't need ponies- they just need trainers), and by extension MSU is gearing up... Arky dropped big Bret, knowing the SMU guy (if reports are accurate) will have time to develop his players/culture... Mizzou's inline though it seemed a bumpy road ahead... USCe is set about as good as USCe can be set struggling against trying to rise... UT was screwed one way or the other, and had to move- and they'll most likely being moving again in three years..... but all of this is on a three to five year projection with a plan to make a grab in 3~5 while holding steady in the interim. 

if all of this holds true, and i'm still entertaining the concept, the shifting in the SEC and the tremors across all of coaching because of it does in fact make this about the craziest coaching carousel ever. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Cincydawg on December 06, 2017, 09:32:44 AM
Florida with a good solid QB would be a good team.  Mullen is probably a good guy to fix that aspect.  Florida could be good in 2 years I think, meaning they would compete for the SEC East (which Mac won twice of course).

The firing of MacElwain was remarkable to me and suggests you can't have even one mediocre season there.

My GUESS is MOST of these new hires won't pan out and meet expectations.  I don't think they CAN pan out, though Saban's departure might open some room.  But Bama won't fall off a cliff when that happens.

Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 06, 2017, 09:51:45 AM
I don't think Michigan fans turn on Harbaugh, even if he goes 0-10 vs OSU, 1-9 vs Sparty, and 0-7 vs ND in his first ten years.
I think IF things don't improve, he'd go back to the NFL before it got to a point where the fan base would turn on him.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 06, 2017, 03:41:28 PM
i read, and it seems obvious i guess to most but was a new insight to me, all of this rotation- especially in the SEC, is trickle down for the Saban effect- but not in the obvious most often spoken way.

there seems to be an expectation Saban is bouncing in 3~5 years.  he's stacked enough right this second that nobody is going to be able to consitently and truly compete/contend for those three, and possibly four- while it's expected he won't slip in the remaining 1/2 if he stays five more.  
Honestly, I was thinking along the same lines. Saban has Alabama rolling as a well-oiled machine. He has "the process" in place, and even if he drops from 11-1 every year to a few 10-2 outings, it doesn't look likely he'll drop much beyond that.
But he's 66. And although he seems like the type that might enjoy coaching deep into his golden years, I suspect Miss Terry isn't going to allow that, and that she probably is calling the shots lol...
I absolutely think that other programs are planning and positioning for a post-Saban SEC, because I'm not sure any of them legitimately believe they're going to be able to compete with Alabama any time Saban is still the head coach.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 06, 2017, 05:11:07 PM
This might be the worst hire, initially speaking, I've ever seen.  

I'm worried this Herm Edwards hire is Dead On Arrival, doomed from the start.

ASU's AD Ray Anderson looks at a program like Bama and sees the coach-as-CEO operation working well while ignoring that guys like Saban spent YEARS grinding away at the working level before EARNING the CEO status WITHIN the programs they spent years coaching.

ASU is fatally turning this backwards. Ray Anderson thinks he can simply APPOINT his friend as face of the university and achieve comparable results while leaving the actual face-to-facemask coaching as afterthought to the assistants.

It's like taking leadership classes and believing they qualify you to lead people in just about anything - ministry, accounting firm, construction site, air traffic control tower, infantry squad. The reality is that brand leaders and coaches in those specific disciplines are born through YEARS of fighting away at the groundwork details in something like ministering, accounting, etc. They are not appointed out of the blue, as this Herm Edwards hire does in placing him back on the sideline NINE years after he achieved below average results there.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 06, 2017, 07:53:33 PM
I think Chad Morris is going to do good things at Arkansas. I really like that hire for them. The Texas connections alone are reason to be optimistic. His pedigree I great and he commands respect. This is a hire for the long haul - the one that involves Saban not being around forever. When that happens the SEC-W is up for grabs.

I'm no longer sure Bielema is/was built to last.

I think this guy is.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 06, 2017, 08:17:10 PM
I think Chad Morris is going to do good things at Arkansas. I really like that hire for them. The Texas connections alone are reason to be optimistic. His pedigree I great and he commands respect. This is a hire for the long haul - the one that involves Saban not being around forever. When that happens the SEC-W is up for grabs.

I'm no longer sure Bielema is/was built to last.

I think this guy is.
well the thing is, BERT had a ton of success at Wisconsin. So the expectations when Arkansas hired him was for him to have that same kind of success within 5 years. Problem is, after starting of 3-9 in year one he went 4-8 in year five.
Expectations have been re-set because of the disaster that was BERT. And the new guy isn't coming in with the coaching record or rep BERT had when he got that job. Morris was an OC and has only ever been a head coach for 3 years and has a losing record. BERT was a head coach at Wisconsin for 7 years and won 3 conference championships in a P5 conference and was 68-24 and he averaged almost 10 wins a year.
I think Arkansas was actually pretty patient with BERT. He just couldn't deliver the goods. If Morris starts out year one 3-9 and finishes year five 4-8 and does very little in-between those years like BERT, he'll get fired too.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 06, 2017, 08:47:28 PM
doesn't really matter what your name is or what you've done in the past if you finish 4-8 in year 5

just makes folks wish you were fired after year 3 or 4
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 06, 2017, 10:24:07 PM
looks like Tennessee is going the Saban assistant route as a deal is in place for Alabama DC Jeremy Pruitt to be the next Tennessee head coach according to former ESPN college football reporter Brett McMurphy.

Not sure if I like that move. Kirby Smart is doing really well in his 2nd year in Georgia, but McElwain was a bust at Florida. Hiring a former Saban assistant doesn't mean you're getting Saban.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 06, 2017, 10:37:15 PM
Our long national nightmare is finally over
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 07, 2017, 12:57:54 AM
lol

So Tennessee interviews UGA's DC, Bama's DC, and one other one, I forget.  They're going back to the pre and post-Manning Fat Phil style of running game and playing D.  

Hiring Saban assistants is a gamble because wherever they go, they won't have 5* backed up by 5*.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Hawkinole on December 07, 2017, 01:49:45 AM
well the thing is, BERT had a ton of success at Wisconsin. So the expectations when Arkansas hired him was for him to have that same kind of success within 5 years. Problem is, after starting of 3-9 in year one he went 4-8 in year five.
Expectations have been re-set because of the disaster that was BERT. And the new guy isn't coming in with the coaching record or rep BERT had when he got that job. Morris was an OC and has only ever been a head coach for 3 years and has a losing record. BERT was a head coach at Wisconsin for 7 years and won 3 conference championships in a P5 conference and was 68-24 and he averaged almost 10 wins a year.
I think Arkansas was actually pretty patient with BERT. He just couldn't deliver the goods. If Morris starts out year one 3-9 and finishes year five 4-8 and does very little in-between those years like BERT, he'll get fired too.
Bielema had great success at Wisconsin. He was known as a great recruiter at Iowa, at KSU, and at Wisconsin as an assistant, and had a great record at Wisconsin. What is it about the Wisconsin job that makes every coach since Alvarez successful?
And, more importantly to this thread, where does Bielema go next, and as a head coach, or assistant?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 07, 2017, 05:16:01 AM
I'm no longer sure Bielema is/was built to last.

If he doesn't knock off the fried balogna/bacon sandwiches and Whipped cream & caramel smoothies he won't last
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 07, 2017, 06:43:32 AM
Bielema had great success at Wisconsin. He was known as a great recruiter at Iowa, at KSU, and at Wisconsin as an assistant, and had a great record at Wisconsin. What is it about the Wisconsin job that makes every coach since Alvarez successful?
And, more importantly to this thread, where does Bielema go next, and as a head coach, or assistant?
One of them was on a train to disaster, so I wouldn't go that far. Without Aranda that team is a train wreck. I posted this article in the Wisconsin thread:

***********************************************

**************************************************

INDIANAPOLIS – Wisconsin’s program appeared to be in disarray, particularly to those looking on from afar, just three years ago.

Gary Andersen stunned the college football world on Dec. 10, 2014, when he informed athletic director Barry Alvarez he was leaving for downtrodden Oregon State, after just 26 games with UW. 

That came two years and four days after Bret Bielema stunned Alvarez by leaving for Arkansas, after winning three Big Ten titles in seven seasons as head coach.

The picture painted by at least one national writer was that the problem at UW was the onerous shadow Alvarez cast. 

My reaction was it was somebody from afar who has no idea of what is going on,” Alvarez said this week, “so I took it for what it was worth.”

Alvarez believed the only issue was finding a capable coach who understood the blueprint that had led to the most successful two decades in the history of the program:

Keep the state’s best players at home, complement recruiting classes with a stellar walk-on program and play power football.

Paul Chryst, an assistant at UW in 2002 and from 2005 through ’11 before taking over the Pittsburgh program, turned out to be that coach, the perfect fit.

“Paul saved our program when he came in,” Alvarez said.

Hyperbole? Perhaps. But no one can deny the rise of UW in Chryst’s three seasons as head coach.

UW (12-0), No. 4 in the College Football Playoff rankings, can secure a playoff berth with a victory over No. 8 Ohio State (10-2) in the Big Ten title game Saturday night at Lucas Oil Stadium.

"I think he is fantastic," Ohio State coach Urban Meyer said of Chryst. "I actually get along with him very well. I think him and his staff do a great job evaluating players."

The Badgers are making their second consecutive appearance in the title game and are 2-0 in bowl games and 33-6 overall under Chryst. 

“He has won the kids over,” Alvarez said. “The kids trust him. They listen to him. I know it is a lot of coach-speak, but the kids have bought in.

“We take care of our business as we have so far, good things are going to happen. They know that and they don’t get caught up in: 'What if?' They just worry about the next game.”

Alvarez didn’t worry long about finding his next coach after Andersen,19-7 at UW, took the Oregon State job. He immediately targeted Chryst, who was in his third season at Pittsburgh.


The steps Chryst and his staff took upon returning to UW have been detailed. 

A more rigorous weight-lifting plan, led by Ross Kolodziej, was reinstituted. Chryst and his staff went after several state prospects the previous staff ignored and began targeting in-state walk-ons capable of developing into consistent contributors.

“I thought we were on a slide even though we won 11 games that year,” said Alvarez, who guided UW to a 34-31 overtime victory over Auburn in the 2015 Outback Bowl. “I felt the program was slipping because there was not an emphasis on recruiting the Wisconsin kids first. 

“We lost a couple kids because of that. As I kept asking about our walk-on list there was none per se. There were issues there.”

Alvarez revealed several players who would have been fifth-year seniors in 2015 likely would have graduated and transferred out if Andersen had stayed. That included quarterback Joel Stave.
 
“When Paul was at Pittsburgh he was still in here recruiting the guys that we weren’t recruiting,” Alvarez said. “He had kept in contact with the high school coaches and he was able to jump right back in and win their favor. 

“He was able to come in, put in a good strength program and we were off and running. He comes up with a 10-win season. I think we would have been lucky to have a winning season if you lose Stave and some other kids.”

Instead, UW finished 10-3 in Chryst’s first season. The Badgers capped the season with a 23-21 victory over a young but talented USC team in the Holiday Bowl.

UW won the Big Ten West last season and after a crushing 38-31 loss to Penn State in the Big Ten title game rebounded to defeat unbeaten Western Michigan in the Cotton Bowl to finish 11-3 and No. 9 in the country.

UW this season is 12-0 for the first time in program history and one of only two unbeaten teams left.

“I obviously learned quite a bit,” Chryst said of his time as an assistant at UW before leaving for Pittsburgh. “And then when I had an opportunity to come back, you want to build on what you think are those foundational principles of the program and then you want to adjust to your (players).

“I think the most important thing is … I am in charge of this program but it’s more than just my program. It’s getting to know your players and what do they need to maximize this opportunity that is four or five years of playing college football.

“Certainly football is a big part of it. But it’s also the growth as a person, getting an opportunity to get a heck of a degree while being the best football player and best team we can be.”

Chryst’s third UW team is on the verge of being labeled the best team in program history by qualifying for the playoff and making a run at the national title.

“Not that we need any validation,” Alvarez said, “but to get in this, man that’s rarefied air. “That really establishes you.”

Alvarez's last season as a full-time head coach was 2005. He served as interim coach in the 2013 Rose Bowl after Bielema left and in the 2015 Outback Bowl after Andersen left.

He still watches UW’s games with the eyes of a coach rather than a fan and anticipates he won’t be able to sit down Saturday night at Lucas Oil Stadium.

“It’s nerve-racking for me,” he said. “I don’t sit still until that game is put away. People are celebrating and I’m worrying.

“I get upset with mistakes. It’s a part of me. I can watch other games and I couldn’t care less. I just watch and have fun.

"But us? Those are my coaches and our kids. And now you’ve got a grandson involved in it.

“I’ll be a mess.”

Whether UW wins or loses Saturday, no one will be using that term to describe the state of UW's program.

Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 07, 2017, 12:43:24 PM
Jeremy Pruitt is UT's new HC.  

he's a better selection than the polarizing and 'questionable ethics in coaching style' Schiano that tOSU are so redassed nobody (UT) would take off their hands (if he was SOOO great, he'd have been plucked by someone else in this rotation), but his measurable performance is similar (w/o the tales of idiocy personality disorder that tagged along behind Schiano)... 

I'm not sold he is the solution to righting the ship, but..... he IS the new HC, so... time to rally behind him. 

 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 07, 2017, 12:50:32 PM
I for one am glad that UT made Schiano untouchable, and that IU did the same to Wilson. 

Both are likely to stay put for the long haul. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 07, 2017, 12:51:18 PM
Jeremy Pruitt is UT's new HC.  

he's a better selection than the polarizing and 'questionable ethics in coaching style' Schiano that tOSU are so redassed nobody (UT) would take off their hands (if he was SOOO great, he'd have been plucked by someone else in this rotation), but his measurable performance is similar (w/o the tales of idiocy personality disorder that tagged along behind Schiano)...

I'm not sold he is the solution to righting the ship, but..... he IS the new HC, so... time to rally behind him.

 
Don't think anybody could take him this go round after the Tennessee debacle. Not sure he was interested in taking a job this off-season after that mess. Pretty obvious that he could've had a head coaching job at other places over the past couple years, he was holding out for a bigger job like a Tennesse.
Pruitt is not a better choice than Schiano. He could prove to be in the future, but on paper, right now, he is not. Pruitt is a gamble. Tennessee better hopes it pays off, because hiring a Nick Saban assistant doesn't always turn out. You're not getting Nick and the 5 STARZ backed up by 5 STARZ. Better hope this guy is ready.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 07, 2017, 12:52:46 PM
I for one am glad that UT made Schiano untouchable, and that IU did the same to Wilson.

Both are likely to stay put for the long haul.
not sure any team has a better pair of co-ordinators than Ohio State. Both of those guys are over-qualified to be co-ordinators and should be head coaches somewhere else.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Cincydawg on December 07, 2017, 12:57:18 PM
Pruitt should be fine I think.  Whether "fine" is sufficient for Vol Nation is to be seen.  He will bring toughness back to Tennessee just as Smart has at UGA.  UGA obviously is able to recruit more easily/successfully in most years at a high level.

I was pondering whether Clemson being near the top is counter to Tennessee being near the top.  Not sure.

Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 07, 2017, 01:41:27 PM
not sure any team has a better pair of co-ordinators than Ohio State. Both of those guys are over-qualified to be co-ordinators and should be head coaches somewhere else.
Agreed. 
If only OSU had some sorta legendary head coach to be the CEO of the three headed monster.... 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 07, 2017, 02:44:06 PM
The also both have a whole lot of baggage, that not many schools want to take on.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 07, 2017, 02:45:40 PM
Yeah.. no thanks. I'll take the losses without the baggage - BUT - I'm not convinced that Schiano really HAS baggage. We all know Wilson does.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 07, 2017, 02:50:08 PM
Has Indiana ever confirmed the Wilson rumors? 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 07, 2017, 03:03:14 PM
I don't think Indiana can.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 07, 2017, 03:22:00 PM
Bobby Knight would disagree.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on December 07, 2017, 04:10:05 PM
Mike Riley back to Oregon St (officially as an "Assistant Head Coach")
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 07, 2017, 04:20:58 PM
Mike Riley back to Oregon St (officially as an "Assistant Head Coach")
ok that's just weird as hell.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CWSooner on December 07, 2017, 04:57:12 PM
Crazy.

Will he be "head coach in waiting"?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 08, 2017, 11:42:31 AM
Oregon promoting OC Mario Cristobal (who was head coach at FIU from 2007-12) from interim to head coach
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 08, 2017, 11:53:30 AM
Yeah.. no thanks. I'll take the losses without the baggage - BUT - I'm not convinced that Schiano really HAS baggage. We all know Wilson does.
No one knows what Schiano really saw or knew about Sandusky, BUT Schiano did work with Sandusky and on his staff for 4 or 5 years.  It would be hard for me to think Schiano had absolutely NO knowledge od what was going on.  Hopefully I'm wrong, but I understand others such as Tennessee not willing to take the chance.
 In a 2015 deposition, the former Penn State assistant coach Mike McQueary testified that another Penn State assistant coach, Tom Bradley, had told him that Schiano had talked to him about seeing Sandusky abusing a boy sometime in the early 1990s. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 08, 2017, 11:56:11 AM
Mike Riley back to Oregon St (officially as an "Assistant Head Coach")
doesn't surprise me
Coach Riley is a fine man and an experienced solid coach.  He can be a great asset to the Oregon St program in many ways.
I wish him well.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 08, 2017, 01:07:06 PM
Oregon promoting OC Mario Cristobal (who was head coach at FIU from 2007-12) from interim to head coach
Ha, true
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/939172012412604420
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 08, 2017, 02:00:13 PM
Bobby Knight would disagree.
People other than him got fired/pushed out over what happened there and how it was handled.

That was also almost 20 years ago. Time has changed the "rules".
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 08, 2017, 02:59:30 PM
People other than him got fired/pushed out over what happened there and how it was handled.

That was also almost 20 years ago. Time has changed the "rules".
And I don't recall Bobby Knight giving up salary he was owed in leaving.  Wilson IIRC did.  You don't do that without some agreement to stay silent.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 08, 2017, 03:07:09 PM
Yep, that is all true. Knight got a severance if I remember right.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 08, 2017, 04:22:43 PM
Ha, true
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/939172012412604420
yeah I have a hard time seeing that one working out for Oregon.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MarqHusker on December 08, 2017, 04:27:47 PM
It  is interesting to live in this Indy market in a post-Bobby Knight era, as that is a topic that has such deep wounds for a number of people.  Some people never want to talk about it again, others dig in and want to keep fighting it,  others beg and plead to bring Bobby back into the fold in some way.  Obviously Knight has been approached many many times and wants none of it.     Some thought he would've come back for the anniversary of the last perfect record basketball season.  Nope.    He still casts a shadow around here, partly because he does make appearances at events.  I actually went to one of his talks once as a guest of a friend.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 08, 2017, 06:32:37 PM
yeah I have a hard time seeing that one working out for Oregon.
Mario turned around FIU and they canned him after one down year.Was Bama's oline coach for 2-3 seasons and a evidently a good recruiter.That is what is needed in Autzen could work out
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 08, 2017, 06:57:07 PM
Mario turned around FIU and they canned him after one down year.Was Bama's oline coach for 2-3 seasons and a evidently a good recruiter.That is what is needed in Autzen could work out

I don't know what to think of Oregon's hire.

Cristobal's FUI W/L is also "I don't know what to think."

1-11
5-7
3-9
7-6
8-5
3-9

"Unthreatening" might best describe Cristobol for outsiders.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 08, 2017, 07:34:05 PM
I understand that Herm Edwards just found out that the team he coaches is called the Sun Devils. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 08, 2017, 07:39:55 PM
and he is a deeply religious man and wants the name changed?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2017, 09:47:50 PM
Well it's going to be 40 degrees in Phoenix tonight, so a hot-tempereatured mascot isn't a layup.  

Killer Cacti?  The Apathetic Fanbase?  Dante's Tridents?  

Hell, just use Admiral Akbar, let someone have that fun for real.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 09, 2017, 09:55:03 AM
It  is interesting to live in this Indy market in a post-Bobby Knight era, as that is a topic that has such deep wounds for a number of people.  Some people never want to talk about it again, others dig in and want to keep fighting it,  others beg and plead to bring Bobby back into the fold in some way.  Obviously Knight has been approached many many times and wants none of it.     Some thought he would've come back for the anniversary of the last perfect record basketball season.  Nope.    He still casts a shadow around here, partly because he does make appearances at events.  I actually went to one of his talks once as a guest of a friend.
I wish they would find a way to bring him back in, but, as I'm sure you know, he's pretty stubborn.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 09, 2017, 10:11:20 AM
I doubt it will ever happen, groveling or kissing his arse won't help
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 09, 2017, 03:28:37 PM


Yeah, sorry fellas. 

Knight is ours as well. 



(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6e/4b/c5/6e4bc5f9e45d25779b0bf53c26ace9d2--buckeye-sports-ohio-stadium.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9a/28/2b/9a282ba5cac0fa4e29f15ddd5a239684--ohio-state-basketball-ohio-state-buckeyes.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 10, 2017, 09:18:19 AM
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.espn.com%2Fmedia%2Fclassic%2F2001%2F1112%2Fphoto%2Fs_knight_ct.jpg&hash=fe7d8cd7b289fe28e31da2fdf72a423c)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Cincydawg on December 10, 2017, 12:42:58 PM
Florida has seven FBS programs, and the coach with the most longevity of the bunch is Mark Richt.

Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 10, 2017, 12:53:38 PM
talk about 7 crappy jobs

much better to take a shot rowing your boat in Minneapolis
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on December 11, 2017, 10:30:11 AM
Florida has seven FBS programs, and the coach with the most longevity of the bunch is Mark Richt.


That's crazy.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on December 11, 2017, 10:32:35 AM
talk about 7 crappy jobs

much better to take a shot rowing your boat in Minneapolis
They're great jobs (at least UF, FSU, and Miami are) from a certain point of view (pay, prestige, recruiting, etc). Unfortunately they're all pressure cookers and if you're not winning yesterday, you're not doing your job and could find yourself looking for a new job in less than 3 years.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 11, 2017, 10:41:53 AM
https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/938155419788369920
Deja vu?
^-^
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 13, 2017, 09:59:22 AM
ASU's defensive coordinator Phil Bennett steps down for "personal and health" reasons.  Was offered a job on Herm's staff, but is moving on. He was brought in by Todd Graham in 2014 mostly because he was in agreement with running their blitz-aggressive defense which most ASU fans wanted to see moved on from anyway. If one of the strategies of the Herm hire was to keep assistants, the main target was keeping the OC Billy Napier.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on December 13, 2017, 02:33:29 PM
ASU's defensive coordinator Phil Bennett steps down for "personal and health" reasons.  Was offered a job on Herm's staff, but is moving on. He was brought in by Todd Graham in 2014 mostly because he was in agreement with running their blitz-aggressive defense which most ASU fans wanted to see moved on from anyway. If one of the strategies of the Herm hire was to keep assistants, the main target was keeping the OC Billy Napier.
You're confusing Bennett with Keith Patterson. Bennett was only at ASU for this past season. He's definitely a good DC, maybe not "elite" but absolutely improved ASU's D from 2016 to 2017.
But he's old and still a Texan through and through and it's understandable why he decided not to stick around. He's probably gonna need neck and knee surgery in the off season then see what jobs he can get for the 2019 season, probably close to home (Texas) as possible.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: rolltidefan on December 13, 2017, 04:19:30 PM
Mario turned around FIU and they canned him after one down year.Was Bama's oline coach for 2-3 seasons and a evidently a good recruiter.That is what is needed in Autzen could work out
cristobal is a fantastic recruiter and good coach too. only thing i don't like is he is a zone blocking scheme. bama was at it's best in man blocking scheme. but to be fair to cristobal we were moving to a more spread/zone read offense for which the zone blocking is designed. and can't deny the success we've had with it, i just prefer the pro style, man blocking style.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 15, 2017, 04:44:03 PM
You're confusing Bennett with Keith Patterson. Bennett was only at ASU for this past season. He's definitely a good DC, maybe not "elite" but absolutely improved ASU's D from 2016 to 2017.
But he's old and still a Texan through and through and it's understandable why he decided not to stick around. He's probably gonna need neck and knee surgery in the off season then see what jobs he can get for the 2019 season, probably close to home (Texas) as possible.
Yes, I overlapped the two. But now Billy Napier is leaving! To coach Louisiana. For not that much of a pay raise. 
A big expectation of this whole Herm-as-CEO deal was to give appointed assistants more responsibility until giving specifically Napier the HC reigns once Herm stepped down. It's like buying a small chain of restaurants only to have the chefs all quit on you in a matter of weeks.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on December 15, 2017, 04:46:57 PM
It's making me lean more towards Froggy and less towards Devil.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 15, 2017, 04:57:05 PM
Apparently the Kent St coaching search is a total clown show. 

Not sure why they don't just hire Hazell back. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 15, 2017, 05:45:28 PM
Apparently the Kent St coaching search is a total clown show.

Not sure why they don't just hire Hazell back.

It's one thing to go from a history of success at one level to try to go up to the next [more competitive] level, fail, and drop back down.
But he didn't have a history of success at Kent State. He had only two years at HC. Yes, those two years were great, but that's not enough body of work to welcome him back with open arms.
If he'd been good for 5-10 years, then had trouble in the B1G, sure, bring him back. But a mere 2 years of success in the MAC and 4 years of total and complete inability to field a competitive team isn't enough history to justify bringing him back. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 15, 2017, 06:02:11 PM
It's one thing to go from a history of success at one level to try to go up to the next [more competitive] level, fail, and drop back down.
But he didn't have a history of success at Kent State. He had only two years at HC. Yes, those two years were great, but that's not enough body of work to welcome him back with open arms.
If he'd been good for 5-10 years, then had trouble in the B1G, sure, bring him back. But a mere 2 years of success in the MAC and 4 years of total and complete inability to field a competitive team isn't enough history to justify bringing him back.
Ideally, sure. But nobody else wants the job.
Kent State has always been gawdawful. 

Now there is some speculation that they might be holding out for the Mt Union coach after their season is over, which would be a phenomenal hire imo. But they are currently getting shot down by mediocre FCS coaches.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on December 15, 2017, 06:04:06 PM
You're confusing Bennett with Keith Patterson. Bennett was only at ASU for this past season. He's definitely a good DC, maybe not "elite" but absolutely improved ASU's D from 2016 to 2017.
But he's old and still a Texan through and through and it's understandable why he decided not to stick around. He's probably gonna need neck and knee surgery in the off season then see what jobs he can get for the 2019 season, probably close to home (Texas) as possible.
He's definitely too old for this shit
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: bayareabadger on December 15, 2017, 08:29:24 PM
It's one thing to go from a history of success at one level to try to go up to the next [more competitive] level, fail, and drop back down.
But he didn't have a history of success at Kent State. He had only two years at HC. Yes, those two years were great, but that's not enough body of work to welcome him back with open arms.
If he'd been good for 5-10 years, then had trouble in the B1G, sure, bring him back. But a mere 2 years of success in the MAC and 4 years of total and complete inability to field a competitive team isn't enough history to justify bringing him back.
He also had only one good year. He was 5-7, then 11-3. And that team lost the conference title to an awesome NIU squad. 
But that is a program that's been above .500 nine times EVER. That 11-win season was the only winning one since 2001. It looks like they're going with Syracuse OC Sean Lewis, which is probably as good a move as any. There's one thing about it ...
He's a Wisconsin guy. Not only a Wisconsin guy, but one I remember. He was a big QB-turned-tight end, the sort who you wonder if he could be something at his size and ends up a No. 3 or 4 guy. I figured he was selling insurance. Instead he went from HS OC to running Dino Babers' high-flying attack. Very weird. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 16, 2017, 09:13:29 AM
I remember watching him play in HS.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 16, 2017, 09:38:51 PM
He also had only one good year. He was 5-7, then 11-3. And that team lost the conference title to an awesome NIU squad.
But that is a program that's been above .500 nine times EVER. That 11-win season was the only winning one since 2001.
Yeah, Kent is definitely the worst D1 FB program in Ohio, even including Youngstown State. 
Ohio U was arguably worse in the pre-Solich era, but he's been there for a pretty long time at this point and generally finishes above .500. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 19, 2017, 11:09:18 AM
SMU hires Sonny Dykes. A good hire, IMO. He knows Texas, and has left the two programs hes coached - La Tech & Cal - better off. The big drawback is his lack of concern for a defense. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 19, 2017, 02:54:34 PM
Yeah, Kent is definitely the worst D1 FB program in Ohio, even including Youngstown State.
Ohio U was arguably worse in the pre-Solich era, but he's been there for a pretty long time at this point and generally finishes above .500.
YSU has a solid coach now
Frankie is 96-71 at Ohio - 2-6 in bowls
I think Frankie might have more wins at Ohio than any other coach
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 19, 2017, 03:21:05 PM
YSU has a solid coach now
Frankie is 96-71 at Ohio - 2-6 in bowls
I think Frankie might have more wins at Ohio than any other coach
3rd behind Bill Hess (1958-77) with 108 and Don Peden (1924-46) with 121.
Peden won 6 BAA titles (pre-cursor to the MAC), and Hess won 4 MAC titles.  That's the omission on Solich's resume, 0-4 in MAC title games.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 19, 2017, 03:24:46 PM
Jerry Kill stepping down again due to health reasons.  Let's hope this is the final time, and he enjoys many years away from football.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 19, 2017, 03:30:42 PM
Kiffin signed a 10 year extension today. I wonder how many of those years he will actually be there for.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on December 19, 2017, 03:33:27 PM
I hope all 10

I don't hear much from him down there
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 19, 2017, 03:46:21 PM
I think that's a perfect fit for both sides actually.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Cincydawg on December 19, 2017, 03:48:59 PM
Agree about the fit, but I think Kiffin is inherently bound for greater things, and in 2-3 years.

Imagine him at say Missouri or Oregon or Purdue or Maryland or UNC.

Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 19, 2017, 03:52:58 PM
3rd behind Bill Hess (1958-77) with 108 and Don Peden (1924-46) with 121.
Peden won 6 BAA titles (pre-cursor to the MAC), and Hess won 4 MAC titles.  That's the omission on Solich's resume, 0-4 in MAC title games.
Didn't even know about the BAA. 
Looks pretty awesome; albeit short lived.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/464f074f0c9e17ca5f93b802a8e2030c.png)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 19, 2017, 04:00:07 PM
Agree about the fit, but I think Kiffin is inherently bound for greater things, and in 2-3 years.

Imagine him at say Missouri or Oregon or Purdue or Maryland or UNC.


Purdue is set so long as Brohm sticks. And he just might. Maryland looks to be in pretty good shape.

I was thinking Illinois.

Kiffin and Fleck in the same division could be really funny.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 19, 2017, 08:22:19 PM
I'd bet that Brohm will be gone if he has major success there. If he wins 10+ games and wins the West, he's gone. LSU would go after him when they inevitably fire Orgeron. Could see Bama going after him if Saban retires, which I think is going to happen sooner than people expect. I think it'll be really hard to keep him if he really breaks through.

As for Kiffen, I think he's going to be at FAU for a long time. He's got it made there, most of his family lives right by him, his dad has an office next to his. Joey Freshwater is single and enjoying that South Florida nightlife. Don't see him giving that gig up. He can basically do whatever he wants, doesn't have a boss there. At a big time job, he'd have to be more buttoned up. Where he's at suites his personality and "life-style" perfectly. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 20, 2017, 11:24:50 AM
I'd bet that Brohm will be gone if he has major success there. If he wins 10+ games and wins the West, he's gone. LSU would go after him when they inevitably fire Orgeron. Could see Bama going after him if Saban retires, which I think is going to happen sooner than people expect. I think it'll be really hard to keep him if he really breaks through.  
Everything I understand about Brohm makes me think he won't just bolt for the first "big job" that wants him. He doesn't seem to be the sort that's driven by money or status as much. As folks have pointed out, at least earlier this year he was still driving his old 2005 [or so] Honda Accord. I think there are reasons he chose to take the job in West Lafayette and those reasons make me think that he's not going to leave for fickle reasons. Heck, he even reached out and spoke to Danny Hope (who we fired) before taking the job, and said that was talking to Hope was one of the reasons he decided to come to Purdue, as Hope (again who we fired, somewhat unceremoniously) had nice things to say. He seems to have a good relationship with Bobinski and believes that he's going to get the support he needs to build something at Purdue. 
That's not to say he won't leave, but he may not bolt just because any bigger job comes knocking. I would think he'll only leave for a "perfect" landing spot. 
I could definitely see him going to Louisville, although only after they've cleaned up their mess of an athletic department. That to him is "home", so if Petrino retires and that job comes open, and if they've not been shut down by the FBI or NCAA, I could see him going there without hesitation. But that's his alma mater, and although it's not a "big job", you can't fault a guy if he wants to go home.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 20, 2017, 02:40:40 PM
Doug Haller, a Phoenix beat writer I really like, used a public records request to pull emails fans sent to Ray Anderson (ASU AD) and Michael Crow (ASU Pres) during the week of coaching transition between Todd Graham and Herm Edwards: (https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/ncaaf/asu/2017/12/18/asu-leaders-received-harsh-feedback-fans-after-todd-grahams-dismissal/961790001/)

"This request produced more than 1,000 pages of emails. It also produced two obvious conclusions: An overwhelming majority of fans who emailed the ASU leaders wanted Graham to return for his seventh season. And nearly just as many had a hard time understanding how Edwards – who hasn’t coached in college in nearly three decades – is the right man to lead the Sun Devils to a higher level."

"Wrote one Valley resident to Crow: “As a huge ASU fan, I ask you to ponder this one simple question: Why would you allow Ray to fire Coach Graham and pay the largest buyout ever to let him hire a former mediocre coach who happens to be a personal friend of his who hasn’t been in the college game for 30-plus years?”"

Going on a decade of off-and-on living in Arizona I gotta say, I'm very accustomed to the ASU fan that vocally wants a new coach, but the ASU fan that wanted their coach kept is a new one.

Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 21, 2017, 04:05:31 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRl5xbiXcAAzJaR.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2017, 07:43:33 AM
Wow, sounds like LSU and Matt Canada are splitting up.

I would pay whatever he wants
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Entropy on December 28, 2017, 10:46:25 AM
Agree about the fit, but I think Kiffin is inherently bound for greater things, and in 2-3 years.

Imagine him at say Missouri or Oregon or Purdue or Maryland or UNC.


I can't see Kiffin anyplace that isn't warm where he can golf year round...
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 28, 2017, 01:01:45 PM
sounds like FSU is going all-out after Wisconsin DC Jim Leohnard and Michigan tackles/TE's coach Greg Frey.

Also sounds like Deion Sanders might be the DB coach. Wow.

Willie Taggart trying to build the best staff possible.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Entropy on December 28, 2017, 01:06:45 PM
Deion has HS coaching experience, but does he have anything else?   It seems to me that the biggest stars don't become the best coaches.. it is the support guys/gals or those who sat on the bench at high levels that can translate and teach.  Those stars struggle with that bridge. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 28, 2017, 01:10:55 PM
Wow, sounds like LSU and Matt Canada are splitting up.

I would pay whatever he wants
If Jim had half a brain he'd dump Drevno and Pep Hamilton's asses right now, promote Greg Frey to full OL coach and give him a pay bump to keep him away from FSU, then hire Canada and Dan Enos as Co-Oc's and let Canada coach QB's and Enos RB's.
Can't believe LSU is stupid enough to let Canada go.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2017, 01:11:07 PM
Yeah, the other two would be home runs.

Deion could go either way.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2017, 01:13:24 PM
If Jim had half a brain he'd dump Drevno and Pep Hamilton's asses right now, promote Greg Frey to full OL coach and give him a pay bump to keep him away from FSU, then hire Canada and Dan Enos as Co-Oc's and let Canada coach QB's and Enos RB's.
Can't believe LSU is stupid enough to let Canada go.
I think that would be an ideal scenario for Michigan, but I also don't think Enos is going anywhere without playcalling duties.  It's EASILY his biggest weakness.  He's a good developer of talent, and he'd reverse the in-state recruiting trend against Michigan that started when Wheatley left, but I don't think he'd go there to not call plays.  And you obviously want Canada calling the plays.  Canada as OC would be the best hire UM has made in forever, better even than Harbaugh as head coach.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 28, 2017, 01:14:46 PM
Deion has HS coaching experience, but does he have anything else?   It seems to me that the biggest stars don't become the best coaches.. it is the support guys/gals or those who sat on the bench at high levels that can translate and teach.  Those stars struggle with that bridge.
there is a lot of truth in that. a lot of times incredible athletes like that don't make the best coaches.
Deion has a really high football IQ. He understands the game at a high level. He wasn't just pure athlete. I think someone like Barry Sanders for instance was just pure athlete, instinct. He'd never be able to teach other RB's a thing.
I'd bet if Deion was the DB's coach, FSU would be able to land just about any CB recruit they wanted.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2017, 01:17:53 PM
Trying to think about in each sport, who was the best player that also became at least a very good coach?

For college football, Spurrier has to be the high bar right?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 28, 2017, 01:18:14 PM
I think that would be an ideal scenario for Michigan, but I also don't think Enos is going anywhere without playcalling duties.  It's EASILY his biggest weakness.  He's a good developer of talent, and he'd reverse the in-state recruiting trend against Michigan that started when Wheatley left, but I don't think he'd go there to not call plays.  And you obviously want Canada calling the plays.  Canada as OC would be the best hire UM has made in forever, better even than Harbaugh as head coach.
well there's been a lot of smoke that Enos and Harbaugh are close to a deal, and it's not for an OC position. We'll find out one way or the other after the bowl season.
I can't say I'd agree with Canada as OC would be a better hire than Harbaugh as head coach, that's just nonsense imo. Not sure he'd even be a better hire than Don Brown. That is the hire that's kept this thing afloat in 2016 and 2017. Don Brown kicked the defense up another notch and is a significantly better DC than DJ Durkin was. Without Don Brown's defenses in 2016 and 2017, don't even want to think about where Michigan would have been. Would've been a lot worse than 10-3 in 2016 and 8-4 with a shot at 9-4 in 2017. Offense hasn't carried it's own weight the last two years, been the defense carrying that entire program.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2017, 01:24:10 PM
I can't say I'd agree with Canada as OC would be a better hire than Harbaugh as head coach, that's just nonsense imo. 

I think Matt Canada is the best OC in the nation.  I do not think Harbaugh is the best HC in the nation, or even particularly close.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 28, 2017, 01:24:51 PM
Trying to think about in each sport, who was the best player that also became at least a very good coach?

For college football, Spurrier has to be the high bar right?
I think Jim Harbaugh would have to be in that discussion as well. He didn't win a Heisman like Spurrier but he finished 3rd in the Heisman voting two years in a row, was a 1st Team All-American QB and was also a 1st round NFL draft pick, and he was a significantly better NFL QB and NFL Coach than Spurrier. Spurrier was horrible in the NFL both stints as a player and coach.
I think Deion could make it work as a DB coach as long as he's committed. Who knows if he'd really want to put in the work? He's a got a cushy tv job, he's a multi multi millionaire and he spends his time bouncing between mansions in LA and Dallas. Why would he give that up to live in podunk Tallahassee that's kinda in BFE and not much to do- certainly doesn't compare to LA or Dallas. And does he want to do the grind that it takes to be a college coach. Recruiting is 24/7, 365 non-stop. I don't question whether he could do the job and teach DB's and recruit. I think he'd be great at it honestly. I just question if he'd even want to do it considering his life style.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 28, 2017, 01:36:17 PM
I think Matt Canada is the best OC in the nation.  I do not think Harbaugh is the best HC in the nation, or even particularly close.
I wouldn't say Canada is the best OC in the nation. Among the best, sure. The best? That's hard to say.
An OC isn't as important to a program as a head coach. And Harbaugh is absolutely among the very best HC's in the nation. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
If the guy hit the open market he'd be the #1 candidate in college for the NFL to poach. Why do you think they pay him as much as they do? To keep him away from the NFL.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MarqHusker on December 28, 2017, 02:06:46 PM
Joe Torre probably has the edge in MLB over anybody else*.    Leo Duroucher, Stengel, Bruce Bochy are amongst the several 'decent' players, very good managers.  Of course then there are guys like Ty Cobb, Nap Lajoie, Ted Williams, etc. who were inner circle all-time greats, but average to mediocre managers. Most didn't manage that long.    Lots of guys like Dusty Baker, Frank Robinson,  Harvey Kuenn, who played very good to great careers, and admirable tenures as managers.  The rest of the elite managers, were basically minor league scrubs, who might've gotten cups of coffee in the Show (W. Alston, Connie Mack, Sparky, LaRussa, Lasorda)


* Would need to probably separate players from managers, versus the player/manager, otherwise you'd have to consider 19th Century/early 20th Century guys like: Cap Anson, John McGraw Frank Chance, and a few others.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2017, 02:08:18 PM
I wouldn't say Canada is the best OC in the nation. Among the best, sure. The best? That's hard to say.
An OC isn't as important to a program as a head coach. And Harbaugh is absolutely among the very best HC's in the nation. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
If the guy hit the open market he'd be the #1 candidate in college for the NFL to poach. Why do you think they pay him as much as they do? To keep him away from the NFL.
He's possibly a top 10 coach, a very, very good coach, but I certainly wouldn't say he's a top 5 coach.  He also has an NFL pedigree, which is why the NFL wants him.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 28, 2017, 07:37:56 PM
Wow, sounds like LSU and Matt Canada are splitting up.

I would pay whatever he wants
Wouldn't go that far as they are all vastly over paid.LSU should let go of Easy Ed should call him Special Ed.Don't know what MC is guaranteed but I think the Ogre is at 12 million-that's should land some one in prison
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on December 29, 2017, 01:43:06 PM
Heh, during the Belk Bowl, Jimbo Fisher just with a straight face said the early signing period isn't fair to coaches like him, who only got a couple weeks to lock down his class.

Seriously Jimbo?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MarqHusker on December 29, 2017, 01:45:55 PM
I think I'm fully sold on the idea that Jimbo is fool's gold, and A&M has themselves yet another lemon on their hands.  An expensive lemon.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: fezzador on December 29, 2017, 03:26:37 PM
Joe Torre probably has the edge in MLB over anybody else*.    Leo Duroucher, Stengel, Bruce Bochy are amongst the several 'decent' players, very good managers.  Of course then there are guys like Ty Cobb, Nap Lajoie, Ted Williams, etc. who were inner circle all-time greats, but average to mediocre managers. Most didn't manage that long.    Lots of guys like Dusty Baker, Frank Robinson,  Harvey Kuenn, who played very good to great careers, and admirable tenures as managers.  The rest of the elite managers, were basically minor league scrubs, who might've gotten cups of coffee in the Show (W. Alston, Connie Mack, Sparky, LaRussa, Lasorda)


* Would need to probably separate players from managers, versus the player/manager, otherwise you'd have to consider 19th Century/early 20th Century guys like: Cap Anson, John McGraw Frank Chance, and a few others.  
If Donnie Baseball could get over the hump and bring home a WS title, he'd be in the discussion as well.  At his peak, he was a HOF-caliber player but injuries shortened an otherwise brilliant playing career.  He's an above-average manager but just can't seem to get over the hump - he has yet to advance to the World Series, much less win it.  I'm guessing a "personality clash" was a big factor in Mattingly leaving LA, but it's easier to win there than it is in Miami.  Had he stayed with the Dodgers for one more season, he could have gone back to New York.  I think he'd kill it there.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 02, 2018, 10:49:33 PM
RichRod gone due to misconduct allegations?

I mean, I know losing to Purdue is bad, but misconduct? :)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on January 03, 2018, 07:50:12 AM
Not even a little surprised
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on January 03, 2018, 05:30:49 PM
Sounds like FSU may be targeting MSU DBs coach/co-DC Harlon Barnett as their new DC
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 03, 2018, 05:46:18 PM
Yeah, they came after Jim Leonhard and were turned away. The FSU fans were pretty much asshats on the Badger boards during that one. I'm sure MSU boards will get the same treatment. You know, your "school" can't compare to FSU and all that shit...


aTm is going hard after Dave Aranda right now? One of the LSU beat guys is saying they are talking about $3Mil/year. That's hard. Holy shit.

aTm must be its own bank and have its own ATM machines.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 03, 2018, 06:01:42 PM
$ Bill Byrne
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on January 03, 2018, 06:08:25 PM
Yeah, they came after Jim Leonhard and were turned away. The FSU fans were pretty much asshats on the Badger boards during that one. I'm sure MSU boards will get the same treatment. You know, your "school" can't compare to FSU and all that crap...


aTm is going hard after Dave Aranda right now? One of the LSU beat guys is saying they are talking about $3Mil/year. That's hard. Holy crap.

aTm must be its own bank and have its own ATM machines.
Barnett will get a deserved pay raise out of it.  He was around $450 this year, Leonhard was at $600k.  FSU was paying $850k last year
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on January 03, 2018, 10:20:34 PM
Aranda staying in the Bayou.

Rumor is Don Brown is target #2
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 04, 2018, 06:45:51 AM
Aranda staying in the Bayou.

Rumor is Don Brown is target #2
Aranda.. 4 years, $10 Mil. I guess LSU is a bank too, with its own aTm.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Entropy on January 04, 2018, 11:31:00 AM
Aranda.. 4 years, $10 Mil. I guess LSU is a bank too, with its own aTm.
this is the start... the start of asst coaches having contracts that are no longer tied to the HC.   Changing staffs will become even more expensive, and maybe that is for the best.   Good coordinators will stay as asst. and not jump to HC positions just to cash in...
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 04, 2018, 11:51:26 AM
Actually, his contract was already independent of the HC. That contract was written when Miles was still there. He was spooked by all the Miles talk down there and demanded it, or he'd have stayed in Madison.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Entropy on January 04, 2018, 11:59:02 AM
Actually, his contract was already independent of the HC. That contract was written when Miles was still there. He was spooked by all the Miles talk down there and demanded it, or he'd have stayed in Madison.
oh.. I thought they just agreed to keep him around.  I didn't realize he already had an independent contract.    I'm sure when the current Wisc DC finds his new job, he'll do the same.    :88:  (yes, it is a joke regarding your post on the husker thread)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 04, 2018, 12:03:30 PM
Take a peek at the UW thread...
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Entropy on January 04, 2018, 12:04:57 PM
Take a peek at the UW thread...
oh... no..... 
I was making light of your post on the husker thread.  Had no idea was being targeted.   Aggies will spend.  Barry, historically, has not.   that's not good for the BIG
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 04, 2018, 12:08:31 PM
Yep. The only thing UW has with this one is the fact that he grew up in Tony, WI, was a Badger fan at birth, walked-on to UW and made All-American. That and he moved his family to Madison before he took the DB coach job PC offered to him. So, he wants to be in Madison.

But that kind of money.. he can afford another house somewhere else for 3 months or whatever.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: mcwterps1 on January 04, 2018, 12:29:07 PM
Haven't kept up, but is there talk of Hamilton and Drevno on their way out?

Edit: Never mind. See it in the Michigan thread. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 04, 2018, 03:35:07 PM
Aranda staying in the Bayou.

Rumor is Don Brown is target #2
Brown turned them down. Just like he'll turn anyone down. He's up there in age. Think he's retiring at Michigan.
Sounds like aTm has struck a deal with ND Dc Mike Elko.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 04, 2018, 04:02:17 PM
Brown turned them down. Just like he'll turn anyone down. He's up there in age. Think he's retiring at Michigan.
Sounds like aTm has struck a deal with ND Dc Mike Elko.
Yep, Jimmy said "no" too. This thing moved quickly. Now it's ND's turn to make a move.

Diaco..
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: mcwterps1 on January 04, 2018, 05:42:27 PM
Maryland adds Chuck Heater to coach safeties. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 04, 2018, 05:44:25 PM
I saw on he top of our site that some dude named Grinch got a co-DC job with OSU today. I clicked on the article and it said that while he was the DC at Wazzu, his defenses never finished below #74 in the nation.

That's so awesome.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 04, 2018, 05:54:22 PM
hey, living in the PAC, that's quite an accomplishment
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 04, 2018, 05:57:15 PM
hey, living in the PAC, that's quite an accomplishment
I still think it's hilarious though. Never finished below 74... LMAO.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 04, 2018, 07:06:42 PM
never is a big word

how many seasons is never?

5 or 6?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 04, 2018, 07:18:30 PM
Mario Cristobal made his first outside staff hire as Oregon's coach with the addition of assistant Donte Williams on Thursday.

Williams, who spent last season coaching cornerbacks for Mike Riley at Nebraska and held the same position at Arizona in 2016, will coach outside linebackers with the Ducks.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 05, 2018, 08:35:00 AM
Maryland hiring CHuck Heater for Safeties - A+: He did an outstanding job under Meyer at Florida in piecing together solid defensive backfields during the 2006 & 2007 seasons.

Oregon hiring Donte Williams - A: Williams is a lights-out recruiter with ties deep into southern Cal, good pickup. Never saw him staying at Nebraska. 

Dave Aranda making how much? Good grief I never expected to see an assistant making that much. For that price I think LSU wishes they'd given the HC job to Aranda rather than Ed O.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: TyphonInc on January 05, 2018, 09:12:18 AM
I saw on he top of our site that some dude named Grinch got a co-DC job with OSU today. I clicked on the article and it said that while he was the DC at Wazzu, his defenses never finished below #74 in the nation.

That's so awesome.
So, this is a little skewed. Grinch was there 3 years. 1st year he improved their defense from 114 to 74. 2nd year improved again, and in his 3rd year got the D ranking all the way up to 16th. Funny way to report it.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on January 05, 2018, 11:15:12 AM
Harlon Barnett heading to FSU for nearly $1 million a year.  Good for him,

Assume this makes Tressell full DC now, and opens up a spot at DB coach.  The obvious choices are a couple of alums, Renaldo Hill at Pitt, or Demetrice Martin at UCLA.  Both are known for their recruiting more than their Xs and Os, but with a defensive minded head coach, I'm good with that.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: mcwterps1 on January 05, 2018, 11:51:33 AM
I don't think Heater was hired to be the safeties coach. 

That's just the story, for now. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on January 05, 2018, 03:35:21 PM
Sounds like Sumlin is at the top of Arizona's board.  Makes sense.  Made sense when their in state rival was rumored to have him at the top of their board a month ago.  Not too shabby to be forced into it a month later, and still wind up with the better hire.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 05, 2018, 04:07:41 PM
Looks like Canada is really gonna be gone from LSU. Buyout is being negotiated and he's out looking for a job.

I wonder if he would entertain going back to Indiana.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: LetsGoPeay on January 05, 2018, 04:48:38 PM
Yes, please. He was the only good part of the Bill Lynch years. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 05, 2018, 10:13:07 PM
Maryland hiring CHuck Heater for Safeties - A+: He did an outstanding job under Meyer at Florida in piecing together solid defensive backfields during the 2006 & 2007 seasons.


2 things:
a - Heater is generally thought of as a great coach, and he probably is
b - in 2007, Florida had a garbage defensive backfield.  They later became great, but were young in 07 and sucked ass
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 05, 2018, 10:20:50 PM
derek friggin' dooley going to mizzou as OC... now THAT is funny!!!! 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 06, 2018, 09:39:55 AM
That should help solidify Mizzou's position at the bottom of the SEC-East for the coming seasons, while he lasts.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 06, 2018, 11:24:28 AM
So, this is a little skewed. Grinch was there 3 years. 1st year he improved their defense from 114 to 74. 2nd year improved again, and in his 3rd year got the D ranking all the way up to 16th. Funny way to report it.
This. 
Their defense was something like 28th in yards per play, top-30 in opponent-adjusted S&P. It was a pretty good group. 
(Yards per game isn’t super useful anymore because the pace of the game varies so wildly)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 06, 2018, 11:24:56 AM
That should help solidify Mizzou's position at the bottom of the SEC-East for the coming seasons, while he lasts.
That’s a move that ... wow
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 06, 2018, 03:32:16 PM
So glad that the Big Ten dodged the Mizzou bullet. 

Thanks again, Nebraska. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on January 06, 2018, 11:00:19 PM
This.
Their defense was something like 28th in yards per play, top-30 in opponent-adjusted S&P. It was a pretty good group.
(Yards per game isn’t super useful anymore because the pace of the game varies so wildly)
Hopefully he brings his Holiday Bowl game plan to Columbus.  MSUs offense hasn't looked that good since the Penn State game.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: mcwterps1 on January 07, 2018, 05:36:38 PM
Bryan Stinespring hired as OL coach. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 07, 2018, 06:04:51 PM
I have not heard of him. Is this a good thing?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 07, 2018, 06:41:47 PM
Is Arizona going to pull the rug out from under someone?  Or just snag a coordinator?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 07, 2018, 06:45:25 PM
They are looking at Butch Jones and a few others.

John Fox is available, which would counter their neighbors to the North, and their own brilliant hire.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: rook119 on January 07, 2018, 06:58:04 PM
Sounds like Sumlin is at the top of Arizona's board.  Makes sense.  Made sense when their in state rival was rumored to have him at the top of their board a month ago.  Not too shabby to be forced into it a month later, and still wind up with the better hire.
Is there any hotshot OC/DC at TCU? Arizona plays a 3-3-5 and Tate would be excellent in that kind of offense. 
Don't think Sumlin would be a bad hire tho. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: mcwterps1 on January 07, 2018, 10:08:15 PM
I have not heard of him. Is this a good thing?
He just finished up in the Div II championship game at JMU.  I'd have to look it up, but he had a pretty good OL when at VT and can recruit the VA area well with many players in the NFL.

https://twitter.com/MichaelVick/status/950435457648807939
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 14, 2018, 01:29:01 PM
Everything was in place for Ken Nuimatalolo to be signed as Arizona's head coach but now he's staying at Navy. Back to the drawing board in Tucson.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on January 14, 2018, 04:35:16 PM
Sumlin it is. I think his known drinking problems are why he wasn't their initial first choice (which likely explains the relative lack of interest in a lot of coaches searches for him) but once Niumatalalo turned them down uofa went after him.

I think he'll be a decent recruiter down there, won't ever consistently beat out the LA schools but he'll steal one or two real good ones here and there. How he develops that talent is the question IMO.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 14, 2018, 09:48:19 PM
drinking problems?

what's the problem?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 14, 2018, 10:45:52 PM
drinking problems?

what's the problem?
He's bad at it, and one needs to stay hydrated in that climate.
(I'll see myself out)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 14, 2018, 11:13:40 PM
natty light
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 14, 2018, 11:16:07 PM
Would've been really cool to see the triple option at a PAC school.  
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 14, 2018, 11:17:16 PM
what about the coach at Army?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 15, 2018, 09:28:29 AM
For Arizona, Sumlin is an A hire in the short term.

Yes Sumlin and his A&M staff were an emotional bunch, effectively the Steelers of the SEC where his talented rosters played at a high-risk, high-reward basis. This is why roster turnover was high and explains the fast starts and slow finishes. How many times did it seem A&M would start 6-0 only to finish 8-5?

To bigger names like SC or Penn St these are turnoffs during a coaching search, but for Arizona these are merely cautions which pale in comparison to the total package Sumlin brings when it comes to recruiting, keeping the current DC who he's worked with before, improving attendance, giving a strong public face and force of personality to the program, presumably keeping UA in the division race, and finally addressing the defensive side of the ball.

Not to mention what Arizona avoids in hiring Sumlin: No triple option, no old guy riding out his career, no coaching experiments.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on January 15, 2018, 11:13:19 AM
For Arizona, Sumlin is an A hire in the short term.

Yes Sumlin and his A&M staff were an emotional bunch, effectively the Steelers of the SEC where his talented rosters played at a high-risk, high-reward basis. This is why roster turnover was high and explains the fast starts and slow finishes. How many times did it seem A&M would start 6-0 only to finish 8-5?

To bigger names like SC or Penn St these are turnoffs during a coaching search, but for Arizona these are merely cautions which pale in comparison to the total package Sumlin brings when it comes to recruiting, keeping the current DC who he's worked with before, improving attendance, giving a strong public face and force of personality to the program, presumably keeping UA in the division race, and finally addressing the defensive side of the ball.

Not to mention what Arizona avoids in hiring Sumlin: No triple option, no old guy riding out his career, no coaching experiments.
Pretty much agree with this.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: rolltidefan on January 15, 2018, 11:29:42 AM
alabama oc daboll going to bills oc position. and of course, dc pruitt went to tenn hc position.

saban seems to usually come out of left field with the oc hires, and latest rumors i've seen are chip long, nd oc.

for dc, most think tosh lupoi will get promoted.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: mcwterps1 on January 15, 2018, 12:35:57 PM
alabama oc daboll going to bills oc position. and of course, dc pruitt went to tenn hc position.

saban seems to usually come out of left field with the oc hires, and latest rumors i've seen are chip long, nd oc.

for dc, most think tosh lupoi will get promoted.
Locks may be waiting for the offer. 
He's in limbo right now. Some thought he was a done deal to FSU, but that may not be true. He may be holding for the OC spot at Alabama. 
If true, and it happens, word is, Walt Bell may be the next option for FSU. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: rolltidefan on January 15, 2018, 01:36:44 PM
some rumors that if bama doesn't give oc to locksley, he'll head to fsu as oc. lots of moving parts right now, and not sure anyone knows what's gonna happen, including most of those involved.

edit: misread you're comment mctwerps. that's right.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: mcwterps1 on January 15, 2018, 02:58:42 PM
some rumors that if bama doesn't give oc to locksley, he'll head to fsu as oc. lots of moving parts right now, and not sure anyone knows what's gonna happen, including most of those involved.

edit: misread you're comment mctwerps. that's right.
Mis-read my name too..... 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 15, 2018, 03:20:13 PM
Mis-read my name too.....
Well, right or wrong, it took me a LONG time in my brain to read it as mcwterps rather than mctwerps. It's just a collection of letters that lends itself to the brain trying to re-order it in a bad way... We're not doing it maliciously, my friend.
Signed, the guy who used to use "bjwarbs" as his handle back in the 1990s...
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 15, 2018, 03:25:08 PM
McTwerps is a great handle. He should have switched to it when we moved over here. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 15, 2018, 03:46:13 PM
why can't youse guys come up with simple handles such as Fearless, or Brutus, or Devil, or Orange?

y'all don't need clever nicknames if ya come up with clever posts
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: rolltidefan on January 15, 2018, 04:32:16 PM
Mis-read my name too.....
lol, that's just a typo. my apologies.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: mcwterps1 on January 17, 2018, 01:37:46 AM
Big blow. 

Bell appears to be headed to FSU, as predicted.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: rolltidefan on January 18, 2018, 11:36:53 AM
looks like locksley is going to get the promotion to oc at bama.

saban wants to bring freeze on as an on field coach, but sec commish is fighting that. from a coaching standpoint, i think freeze would be an excellent addition, from almost every other standpoint, i don't want it to happen. i'd be ok if he was an analyst for a couple seasons before getting another chance at coaching, though. but really, his connection to at minimum allowing a system of cheating to flourish is something i don't want associated with bama.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: mcwterps1 on January 18, 2018, 02:56:29 PM
looks like locksley is going to get the promotion to oc at bama.
Sorry for your loss. 
But it's okay. You don't have to win important games to get into the playoffs!
j/k
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2018, 05:18:28 PM
looks like locksley is going to get the promotion to oc at bama.

saban wants to bring freeze on as an on field coach, but sec commish is fighting that. from a coaching standpoint, i think freeze would be an excellent addition, from almost every other standpoint, i don't want it to happen. i'd be ok if he was an analyst for a couple seasons before getting another chance at coaching, though. but really, his connection to at minimum allowing a system of cheating to flourish is something i don't want associated with bama.
You're going to easy on Freeze. That Saban wants him is disturbing.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: mcwterps1 on January 18, 2018, 09:09:42 PM
You're going to easy on Freeze. That Saban wants him is disturbing.
Curious if he ends up in Maryland. 
Isn't he crooked? 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on January 18, 2018, 09:57:56 PM
Sorry for your loss.
But it's okay. You don't have to win important games to get into the playoffs!
j/k
Yeah, why bring in a guy whose sole asset is his recruiting ability to a program that has no issue there?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: mcwterps1 on January 18, 2018, 10:05:09 PM
Yeah, why bring in a guy whose sole asset is his recruiting ability to a program that has no issue there?
I'm telling you...his offense in certain situational ball, was mind-boggling. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: rolltidefan on January 19, 2018, 11:04:04 AM
Quote
Sorry for your loss.
But it's okay. You don't have to win important games to get into the playoffs!
j/k

ha, maybe. he's not my first choice, that's for sure. but the players were pulling for him, so maybe it'll work out.


You're going to easy on Freeze. That Saban wants him is disturbing.
saban is friends with freeze. he's known him from his time at lsu i think. and he knows far more than you and i about freeze's situation, and given saban's track record, i'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt in making these decisions. NOT that he can't/won't/hasn't screwed up personnel hires before or in the future, but he does have a good record overall of making excellent judgement on his hires. not that he needs my approval or deferral.
to be clear, i don't want freeze at bama. he has, at minimum, shown he is ok with allowing cheating to go on under his watch, and at worst orchestrated and encouraged it. neither of which is something i want associated with bama. it's kind of baffling he doesn't have a show cause on him anyway.
if his personal transgressions were all there was, i could overlook that. none of my business and of little to no concern for his employer either, imo. but that's not the case, so moot point.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: mcwterps1 on January 19, 2018, 02:25:09 PM
ha, maybe. he's not my first choice, that's for sure. but the players were pulling for him, so maybe it'll work out.
Yes, he's always related to the kids. That's what makes him a great recruiter, but I thought his offense was all over the place. 
4th and 1 and he'd try some backwards pass 5 yards deep and lose yardage. 
He did some peculiar things at Maryland with a good QB. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: NickSmith4Three on January 19, 2018, 02:29:52 PM
Rod Smith hired as Illinois OC
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 20, 2018, 09:05:17 AM
Rod Smith hired as Illinois OC
That's a really good hire for Lovie, but I like Corey Patterson as the new TE coach even more. Those St. Louis connections are really important.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on January 21, 2018, 08:10:03 PM
Woah, Canada to Maryland?

Hire of the offseason
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 21, 2018, 08:15:07 PM
THAT is a killer hire.

I love what Durkin is doing out there.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 21, 2018, 09:55:52 PM
Woah, Canada to Maryland?

Hire of the offseason
I've become more gunshy about Canada the past year. Not that he's not a good coach because he is. But he might just be hard to work with.
For reasons I can't grasp, three of his past four head coaches have felt the need to meddle in his offense. That seems bad. And those three ended on bad terms. I think it's a good hire, but I'm much more wary about him now. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: mcwterps1 on January 21, 2018, 09:59:38 PM
Woah, Canada to Maryland?

Hire of the offseason
Nothing official that I've seen. 
Just a tweet. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 22, 2018, 01:17:48 PM
Miami University head football coach Chuck Martin has announced that Scott Booker will serve as wide receiver’s coach. Booker becomes Miami’s 10th assistant coach, which was recently approved by the NCAA for all football programs. Martin also announced that Bill Brechin (previous wide receiver coach) will coach safeties, Joe Palcic (previous safeties coach) has been named special teams coordinator and Israel Woolfork (previous running back coach) will coach running backs/slot wide receivers.

“During the past four years our staff has had exceptional continuity that is not often seen in college football,” said Martin. I’m extremely excited about the new alignment of the staff. The addition of coach Booker, along with the modifications to the other members of the staff will strengthen our offense, defense and special teams. I’m excited about what these changes can do for Miami football.”

For a complete list of Miami’s football staff, click HERE.

Booker brings 15 years of coaching experience to Miami, most recently as an assistant coach for Nebraska, working with the Husker safeties and special teams.

Prior to joining Nebraska, Booker worked at Notre Dame as the tight ends and special teams coordinator from 2012 to 2016, after previously spending two seasons as an intern on the Notre Dame staff. During his time in South Bend, Notre Dame participated in six bowl games including the 2012 BCS National Championship Game and 2015 Fiesta Bowl.

The play of Booker's position groups was a key factor in the Fighting Irish's undefeated 2012 regular season. Tight end Tyler Eifert won the John Mackey Award that season and was a consensus first-team All-American. Eifert finished his Notre Dame career ranked first in Notre Dame history in both career receptions (140) and career receiving yards (1,840) by a tight end.

In addition to Eifert, Booker coached Irish tight ends Ben Koyack (2014) and Troy Niklas (2013), who each were Mackey Award semifinalists. All three tight ends were taken in the NFL Draft and were on active rosters in 2017. Eifert was a first-round selection of the Cincinnati Bengals in 2013, and was a Pro Bowl selection in 2015.

Record-setting kicker Kyle Brindza was also a part of the Fighting Irish success. Brindza made a Notre Dame single-season record 23 field goals in 2012, and in his career he set Irish records for field goals (57), field-goal attempts (81) and 50-yard field goals (4). He also holds the top three single-season point totals by a kicker in Irish history.

In the 2015 and 2016 seasons, the Fighting Irish scored six touchdowns on special teams, including four in 2015, which was the most by a Notre Dame team since 2000. Freshman place-kicker Justin Yoon ranked sixth in the FBS in field-goal percentage (.882, 15-of-17) in 2015, the best of any freshman in the country. Freshman C.J. Sanders returned both a kickoff and punt for a touchdown in 2015, one of only seven players in the FBS ranks to accomplish that feat. The previous year in 2014, Notre Dame led the nation in blocked kicks.

Booker spent his first two seasons at Notre Dame as an offensive intern. In 2011, the Irish offense gained more than 500 yards in five games and scored better than 45 points three times.

Booker coached the secondary at Western Kentucky in 2009. He served as the defensive backs coach at Kent State, his alma mater, from 2005 to 2008. In that time, he developed a pair of NFL Draft picks in Jack Williams and Usama Young. Booker helped Kent State rank first or second in the MAC in pass efficiency defense, pass defense and interceptions in 2006.

Booker began his coaching career at Kent State as a graduate assistant in 2003 and 2004. He was a four-year letterwinner for the Golden Flashes from 1999 to 2002, and was named to the MAC all-academic team in 2001.

A native of Pittsburgh, Pa., Booker earned his bachelor's in business administration from Kent State in 2003, and his master's in sport studies in 2006.

Booker Coaching Career
2003-04—Kent State, Graduate Assistant
2005-08—Kent State, Assistant Coach/Defensive Backs
2009—Western Kentucky, Assistant Coach/Secondary
2010-11—Notre Dame, Offensive Intern
2012-16—Notre Dame, Assistant Coach/Tight Ends and Special Teams Coordinator
2017—Nebraska, Assistant Coach/Safeties and Special Teams
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on January 22, 2018, 01:22:51 PM
Seems like a really good resume for a Group of 5 (and a bad one at that) positional coach.

IIRC he's also really dialed into Western PA. I think he's the one who landed Phil Jurkovic at ND before leaving for Nebraska.  He's the best HS QB I've seen in the cradle of QBs, since Terrelle Pryor, in like 2007?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 22, 2018, 01:37:45 PM
seems he's a recruiter

course it's tough to say with the way the Blackshirts collapsed under DC Diaco
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 23, 2018, 02:11:34 PM
Former Husker player and assistant John Garrison is joining Lane Kiffin’s staff at Florida Atlantic as coach of the offensive line.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 25, 2018, 01:22:02 PM
Kerry Coombs leaving Ohio State for Titans job, per report
Earlier in the week, Ohio State fans were worried about co-offensive coordinator Ryan Day potentially joining Mike Vrabel’s staff with the Tennessee Titans. Day is staying with the Buckeyes. Kerry Coombs, however, is heading to Nashville.
The Buckeyes are losing their cornerbacks coach for the last six seasons and a key recruiter as Coombs will join Vrabel’s staff in Tennessee (https://www.landof10.com/ohio-state/kerry-coombs-tennessee-titans-ohio-state-football-staff), according to Pete Thamel of Yahoo Sports.

Damn very good coach & recruiter good luck KC
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on January 25, 2018, 02:05:04 PM
Kerry Coombs leaving Ohio State for Titans job, per report
Earlier in the week, Ohio State fans were worried about co-offensive coordinator Ryan Day potentially joining Mike Vrabel’s staff with the Tennessee Titans. Day is staying with the Buckeyes. Kerry Coombs, however, is heading to Nashville.
The Buckeyes are losing their cornerbacks coach for the last six seasons and a key recruiter as Coombs will join Vrabel’s staff in Tennessee (https://www.landof10.com/ohio-state/kerry-coombs-tennessee-titans-ohio-state-football-staff), according to Pete Thamel of Yahoo Sports.

Damn very good coach & recruiter good luck KC
National recruiter of the year last year right?
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 25, 2018, 02:18:24 PM
Not bad for a guy that was coaching high school ten years ago. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 25, 2018, 07:40:36 PM
COLLEGE PARK, Md. (AP) — Matt Canada has been hired as Maryland's offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach.
Canada spent last season working the same positions with Louisiana State. He replaces Walt Bell, who left for Florida State.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: rolltidefan on January 26, 2018, 10:08:19 AM
dan enos 'likely' leaving mich for bama to coach qb's.

bobby williams leaving off field position at bama for sp tm assistant at oregon.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 26, 2018, 10:56:36 AM
COLLEGE PARK, Md. (AP) — Matt Canada has been hired as Maryland's offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach.
Canada spent last season working the same positions with Louisiana State. He replaces Walt Bell, who left for Florida State.
Ronald Reagan wins election!
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: mcwterps1 on January 26, 2018, 11:35:29 AM
Ronald Reagan wins election!
In fairness, it really wasn't official when first mentioned. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 26, 2018, 11:43:48 AM
Hah!
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 30, 2018, 12:25:21 PM
NOTRE DAME, Indiana - Terry Joseph, previously an assistant coach at Tennessee, Nebraska, Texas A&M and North Carolina, has been named defensive backs coach for the University of Notre Dame.

"Having the chance to coach at Notre Dame is a once in a lifetime opportunity," said Joseph. "There are a lot of great programs in the nation but there is truly only one Notre Dame. I'm looking forward to working with Coach Kelly, the rest of the staff and embracing the opportunity to compete on a national stage in pursuit of this program's mission: to graduate all of its players and win a national championship."

"Terry has an excellent reputation as a quality teacher and coach, as well as a committed recruiter," said Brian Kelly, Dick Corbett Head Football Coach at the University of Notre Dame. "He has developed all-conference caliber players at each of his earlier stops, including Power-5 programs North Carolina, Texas A&M, Nebraska and Tennessee. Our players will certainly benefit from Terry's teaching in terms of football, but I'm probably more excited to see our players benefit from his leadership skills away from football."
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 30, 2018, 02:56:35 PM

The Practical Hoke-ster is taking his headset to the Carolina Panthers, as D-Line coach.



(https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/781/882/6_7882781.JPG)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 30, 2018, 04:32:22 PM
A proposal that would let players transfer without restriction after a coaching change is gaining momentum.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/proposal-to-let-athletes-transfer-instantly-after-a-coaching-change-picks-up-steam/ (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/proposal-to-let-athletes-transfer-instantly-after-a-coaching-change-picks-up-steam/)
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: rolltidefan on January 30, 2018, 05:23:41 PM
saw that earlier.
basically same rule as now, except adding in exception for kids to transfer freely if coach resigned/is fired and CANNOT go to the hc new school.
i think i'm ok with this rule. not seeing an obvious downside. good to know they won't let kids just follow coaches around, but will give them chance to reevaluate the situation without penalty.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 30, 2018, 06:14:04 PM
Kids should commit to a school and not a coach.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: MaximumSam on January 30, 2018, 06:16:11 PM
I love it. Schools should have to take the feelings of their kids into account when changing the program
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 30, 2018, 06:45:16 PM
Kids should commit to a school and not a coach.
I agree.  But, if the Head coach leaves it could be a different program all together
I don't feel the same way about assistant coaches.  Assistants change all the time and for many reasons.  Commit to the school and the head guy in charge of the program.
for example, Mike Riley ran a pro style offense suited for a QB with a great arm and no legs.  Scott Frost runs a different offense.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 30, 2018, 07:00:32 PM
I'm in favor. Frankly, it just makes sense. 

As much as people say that kids commit to a school and not to a coach, that's not really true. Kids commit to a football program, and one of the key aspects of a football program is the coach, who controls the offensive/defensive schemes, etc. 

You see it already with Purdue. Some players committed to Darrell Hazell, who has a very different football philosophy* than Jeff Brohm. Players who wanted to play the style of football Hazell was offering may not have been the right fit for Brohm's style. As such, by no fault of their own, they basically don't have a spot because the new coach frankly doesn't have any use for them, and Purdue has already lost some players to transfer this offseason** and is expected to lose more.

Now, that is the case when a team fires their coach. In that case, the idea that you'll have more than a handful of players jumping ship right after you fire your coach maybe gives an AD pause to just fire at will. For those of us that generally don't like the rapid-fire turnover in coaching ranks, knowing that you can't be so trigger-happy might slow down the craziness.

For coaches leaving of their own accord, I agree that you can't let players go to the team the coach left for. However, I worry here about allowing transfers, particularly for mid-major teams. I worry about turning G5 teams into farm programs, and if you let players transfer every time a coach leaves, you're going to see the biggest talents on those teams--the ones who will find landing spots at P5 programs--deserting G5 en masse. But I don't see a good solution here either, because allowing them to transfer when a coach is fired but NOT when a coach voluntarily leaves seems like a strange double standard to enforce.

* I'm still trying to determine what his philosophy was. It's a question that may plague me until my dying days. "Rosebud."

** I understand that this is the second offseason since his arrival, so it's not directly applicable. However I'm sure that if it was easy for kids to transfer without sitting a year out, the turnover on the roster would have happened more quickly after he arrived and started evaluating players, and a lot of those players leaving now wouldn't have wasted the year on Purdue's roster with no PT.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: mcwterps1 on January 30, 2018, 10:07:26 PM
Kids should commit to a school and not a coach.
So should the coach? 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2018, 06:34:26 AM
So should the coach?
Apples and oranges.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 31, 2018, 08:48:52 AM
coach should commit to the kids

Frost was committed to the kids at UCF, stayed with them through the bowl game

but, he still left them in the end to chase his dream and a better job

I'm ok with it if the coach is upfront when recruiting, saying he might not be there all 4 or 5 years

hopefully the young upcoming D coordinator in MAdison is upfront about his future options, even when rival programs are using that negatively towards him
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2018, 10:23:36 AM
Thus far he has been up front. He says he loves Madison but that he will also keep other options open.

Honesty is refreshing. 90 percent of all coaches are always looking. It's what they do. I'd rather have a coach be honest about it than lie to kids, families and to their boss.

The young DC is recruiting in the NE right now, after spending 10 days in Florida. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 31, 2018, 05:58:37 PM
For coaches leaving of their own accord, I agree that you can't let players go to the team the coach left for. However, I worry here about allowing transfers, particularly for mid-major teams. I worry about turning G5 teams into farm programs, and if you let players transfer every time a coach leaves, you're going to see the biggest talents on those teams--the ones who will find landing spots at P5 programs--deserting G5 en masse. But I don't see a good solution here either, because allowing them to transfer when a coach is fired but NOT when a coach voluntarily leaves seems like a strange double standard to enforce.
So, a friend of mine is really into his MAC alma mater, and after watching that, I don't know that moves me all that much.
The thing is, being a mid-major is about being a farm team of sorts. I can't weep for them losing good players because losing good coaches is far, far more disruptive and baked into the structure of the sport. It's life at that level, a new direction every few years. In the best case, a new coach comes in, the successful veterans take up the mantle and things roll on. But mostly that doesn't happen. More often than not, the coach comes in needing to install a new vision. A good kid might certainly be a part of that, but chances are, the program/team takes a step back, often a big one. The good players that stay mitigate it to a degree, but one year's mid-major star is often just some guy you don't hear about anymore when the new coach has to reset. I don't mind if that player takes his shot at the big time. 
Now that just adds a different challenge. New coach will try to re-recruit his guys. Moving is still often not preferable to something familiar. There's a pitch to be had. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on January 31, 2018, 09:45:26 PM
Damn, Duz hired CMUs Archie Collins at Pitt.  Really wanted MSU to bring him in.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 07, 2018, 11:18:35 AM
Sounds like Schiano's stickin' around. 
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 08, 2018, 02:15:40 PM
BATON ROUGE -- Bill Busch, former co-defensive coordinator at Rutgers, has been hired as the Tigers’ safeties coach, LSU Football head coach Ed Orgeron announced Thursday.

Prior to his time at Rutgers, Busch served on the Ohio State defensive staff for three seasons. Busch also worked with LSU associate head coach/defensive coordinator Dave Aranda at Wisconsin where he coached safeties for two seasons and was also promoted to associate head coach.

“Bill is a consummate pro, who can scheme, coach technique and recruit. We are looking forward to getting him down here.” Aranda said. “On top of all of that, he is a great guy.”

Busch, a native of Pender, Nebraska, spent two different periods coaching at the University of Nebraska from 1990-93 and 2004-07. Between his stints in Lincoln with the Cornhuskers, Busch coached the secondary at Utah for three seasons, spending one season under Urban Meyer. He also coached defensive backs at New Mexico State for four years.

“It’s a huge honor and opportunity to coach at a place like LSU and in the Southeastern Conference,” Busch said. “Coach O is building something really special. It’s equally exciting to reunite with coach Aranda and work with coach Corey Raymond. I can’t wait to be a part of DBU.”

Busch was a wide receiver at Nebraska Wesleyan from 1985-87 where he earned his bachelor’s degree in education. He also holds a master’s degree from Nebraska-Kearney.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 26, 2018, 07:58:41 PM
Former Husker graduate assistant Tavita Thompson is named tight ends coach at Central Michigan.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: rolltidefan on February 27, 2018, 11:37:35 AM
butch jones might be enrolling in the nick saban school for coaches who can't coach good and want to learn to do other stuff good too (i.e. might become off field analyst (http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2018/02/alabama_in_talks_with_butch_jo.html))
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 27, 2018, 01:52:26 PM
Eric Crouch is joining Jeff Jamrog’s Midland University football staff in Fremont as an assistant coach.
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on February 27, 2018, 02:14:21 PM
butch jones might be enrolling in the nick saban school for coaches who can't coach good and want to learn to do other stuff good too (i.e. might become off field analyst (http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2018/02/alabama_in_talks_with_butch_jo.html))
Saban's foster home/rehab facility for coaches on the rock bottom mend. 
We should just start listing future candidates now:
Bill O'Brien (Texans)
Jim Mora Jr
Al Golden
Tracy Klaeys
Title: Re: 2018 Coaching Changes thread
Post by: ELA on March 23, 2018, 04:36:45 PM
I think UT missed the boat

https://twitter.com/Andy_Staples/status/977187290354200576/photo/1