2018 Coaching Changes thread

[MarqHusker]

let's not run down the list of garbage NFL coaches failing in college again, and forgetting the very average (cromulent) job some college guys have done in the NFL.  Not every college coach goes down in flames.   Just as most NFL players are fungible, so are the coaches.

[847badgerfan]

where's the dislike button

Viking's fan wanting the option

We don't have that here. This is a safe space.

[Cincydawg]

Does anyone track this over years by number?  This year seems exceptional to me.

The fans are demanding what many coaches cannot produce obviously, and it remains to be seen which of the FNGs can produce.  Mark Richt was fired after being 10-3 and 9-3 in his last two seasons.

Not every program can win 10 or 11 or 12 games each year, or even often enough to keep the coach safe.

I can understand firing Butch Jones, that was obvious, but what are the chances the FNG is better than Sumlin at A&M?  Or worse?  If your program is already "decent", the odds get better the FNG will be worse.

How long can Harbaugh be comfortable without beating that team down south?

[Brutus Buckeye]

I don't think Michigan fans turn on Harbaugh, even if he goes 0-10 vs OSU, 1-9 vs Sparty, and 0-7 vs ND in his first ten years. 

[Drew4UTk]

i read, and it seems obvious i guess to most but was a new insight to me, all of this rotation- especially in the SEC, is trickle down for the Saban effect- but not in the obvious most often spoken way. 

there seems to be an expectation Saban is bouncing in 3~5 years.  he's stacked enough right this second that nobody is going to be able to consitently and truly compete/contend for those three, and possibly four- while it's expected he won't slip in the remaining 1/2 if he stays five more.  

this 'movement' isn't in effort to compete with Saban so much as it's staging to grab the seat when he leaves.  and, the timing makes sense. 

UGA most likely got lucky last year, but aTm picking up Jimbo is presumably 2~3 years out from his having his select people in place on the field and the culture in rhythm to his drums.  That is good timing.  UF picking up Mullen is a good hire and will allow him the same courtesy (though UF really doesn't need ponies- they just need trainers), and by extension MSU is gearing up... Arky dropped big Bret, knowing the SMU guy (if reports are accurate) will have time to develop his players/culture... Mizzou's inline though it seemed a bumpy road ahead... USCe is set about as good as USCe can be set struggling against trying to rise... UT was screwed one way or the other, and had to move- and they'll most likely being moving again in three years..... but all of this is on a three to five year projection with a plan to make a grab in 3~5 while holding steady in the interim. 

if all of this holds true, and i'm still entertaining the concept, the shifting in the SEC and the tremors across all of coaching because of it does in fact make this about the craziest coaching carousel ever. 

[Cincydawg]

Florida with a good solid QB would be a good team.  Mullen is probably a good guy to fix that aspect.  Florida could be good in 2 years I think, meaning they would compete for the SEC East (which Mac won twice of course).

The firing of MacElwain was remarkable to me and suggests you can't have even one mediocre season there.

My GUESS is MOST of these new hires won't pan out and meet expectations.  I don't think they CAN pan out, though Saban's departure might open some room.  But Bama won't fall off a cliff when that happens.

[ELA]

I don't think Michigan fans turn on Harbaugh, even if he goes 0-10 vs OSU, 1-9 vs Sparty, and 0-7 vs ND in his first ten years.

I think IF things don't improve, he'd go back to the NFL before it got to a point where the fan base would turn on him.

[betarhoalphadelta]

i read, and it seems obvious i guess to most but was a new insight to me, all of this rotation- especially in the SEC, is trickle down for the Saban effect- but not in the obvious most often spoken way.

there seems to be an expectation Saban is bouncing in 3~5 years.  he's stacked enough right this second that nobody is going to be able to consitently and truly compete/contend for those three, and possibly four- while it's expected he won't slip in the remaining 1/2 if he stays five more.  

Honestly, I was thinking along the same lines. Saban has Alabama rolling as a well-oiled machine. He has "the process" in place, and even if he drops from 11-1 every year to a few 10-2 outings, it doesn't look likely he'll drop much beyond that.
But he's 66. And although he seems like the type that might enjoy coaching deep into his golden years, I suspect Miss Terry isn't going to allow that, and that she probably is calling the shots lol...
I absolutely think that other programs are planning and positioning for a post-Saban SEC, because I'm not sure any of them legitimately believe they're going to be able to compete with Alabama any time Saban is still the head coach.

[CatsbyAZ]

This might be the worst hire, initially speaking, I've ever seen.  

I'm worried this Herm Edwards hire is Dead On Arrival, doomed from the start.

ASU's AD Ray Anderson looks at a program like Bama and sees the coach-as-CEO operation working well while ignoring that guys like Saban spent YEARS grinding away at the working level before EARNING the CEO status WITHIN the programs they spent years coaching.

ASU is fatally turning this backwards. Ray Anderson thinks he can simply APPOINT his friend as face of the university and achieve comparable results while leaving the actual face-to-facemask coaching as afterthought to the assistants.

It's like taking leadership classes and believing they qualify you to lead people in just about anything - ministry, accounting firm, construction site, air traffic control tower, infantry squad. The reality is that brand leaders and coaches in those specific disciplines are born through YEARS of fighting away at the groundwork details in something like ministering, accounting, etc. They are not appointed out of the blue, as this Herm Edwards hire does in placing him back on the sideline NINE years after he achieved below average results there.

[847badgerfan]

I think Chad Morris is going to do good things at Arkansas. I really like that hire for them. The Texas connections alone are reason to be optimistic. His pedigree I great and he commands respect. This is a hire for the long haul - the one that involves Saban not being around forever. When that happens the SEC-W is up for grabs.

I'm no longer sure Bielema is/was built to last.

I think this guy is.

[Mdot21]

I think Chad Morris is going to do good things at Arkansas. I really like that hire for them. The Texas connections alone are reason to be optimistic. His pedigree I great and he commands respect. This is a hire for the long haul - the one that involves Saban not being around forever. When that happens the SEC-W is up for grabs.

I'm no longer sure Bielema is/was built to last.

I think this guy is.

well the thing is, BERT had a ton of success at Wisconsin. So the expectations when Arkansas hired him was for him to have that same kind of success within 5 years. Problem is, after starting of 3-9 in year one he went 4-8 in year five.
Expectations have been re-set because of the disaster that was BERT. And the new guy isn't coming in with the coaching record or rep BERT had when he got that job. Morris was an OC and has only ever been a head coach for 3 years and has a losing record. BERT was a head coach at Wisconsin for 7 years and won 3 conference championships in a P5 conference and was 68-24 and he averaged almost 10 wins a year.
I think Arkansas was actually pretty patient with BERT. He just couldn't deliver the goods. If Morris starts out year one 3-9 and finishes year five 4-8 and does very little in-between those years like BERT, he'll get fired too.

[FearlessF]

doesn't really matter what your name is or what you've done in the past if you finish 4-8 in year 5

just makes folks wish you were fired after year 3 or 4

[Mdot21]

looks like Tennessee is going the Saban assistant route as a deal is in place for Alabama DC Jeremy Pruitt to be the next Tennessee head coach according to former ESPN college football reporter Brett McMurphy.

Not sure if I like that move. Kirby Smart is doing really well in his 2nd year in Georgia, but McElwain was a bust at Florida. Hiring a former Saban assistant doesn't mean you're getting Saban.

[ELA]

Our long national nightmare is finally over