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Title: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 02, 2019, 02:23:48 PM
The playoffs aren't the only postseason glory.  I'm been taking a look at a few projections.  Some thoughts.

OSU is very likely in the playoffs win or lose.  The committee would be looking at taking one or two of 1-loss Oklahoma or Baylor and 1 loss Utah over them, which seems unlikely.  This obviously affects the Rose Bowl.  If OSU is in the playoff the Rose Bowl picks a team.  So for sake of argument let's pretend OSU wins.  Also, B1G has nine bowl teams and nine bowl tie-ins, which means they won't fill one or two games if OSU is in the playoff.

Rose: Will very likely feature Oregon as either Pac 12 champ or the runner up as Utah goes to the playoffs.  Rose would select from Wisconsin, Minnesota, Penn State, or Michigan.  Given results on field, seems likely they would go with Wisconsin or Penn State. 

Other New Year 6 bowls: Also in play, especially if the Rose chooses Wisconsin.  Penn State would be an attractive choice to throw in the hopper with Alabama, Florida, and Oklahoma.  I've seen at least one projection showing PSU to the Orange Bowl.

Citrus Bowl: They have an agreement where they are trying to have 5 different teams in 6 years, which could impact them choosing Minnesota, Michigan, or Penn State.  They can also pick an ACC team - some have Va Tech in this spot.  

Outback Bowl: Same thing, five different teams in six years.  This impacts Iowa, Wisconsin, and Michigan.  

Holiday Bowl: Same thing, which impacts MSU, Minnesota, and Wisconsin.  Seeing a lot of Michigan projected here.

Gator Bowl: Splits with the Music City Bowl, but B1G has played there last three years, so probably will be the Gator Bowl, though they may shy away from PSU and Iowa as they played there most recently.  Seen some Indiana projections here.

Pinstripe Bowl: Unofficially looking for different teams, which affects Indiana and Iowa (assuming PSU and Wiscy long gone.  MSU a possibility.

Redbox Bowl: Again 5 teams in six years - affects Indiana and MSU.  Illinois looks strong.

Quick Lane Bowl: 

Armed Forces Bowl: 


Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 02, 2019, 02:40:17 PM
Do we know the academic status of UNL and Purdue? As 5-7 teams, they could possibly get in. I've read that there could be a shortage of teams this year.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 02, 2019, 02:42:19 PM
Do we know the academic status of UNL and Purdue? As 5-7 teams, they could possibly get in. I've read that there could be a shortage of teams this year.
I believe there wound up being 1 more 6-6 team than slots, so no 5-7 teams, and one 6-6 team getting left out.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 02, 2019, 02:42:37 PM
Haven't seen anything other than Pinstripe or Quick Lane for MSU.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 02, 2019, 04:31:31 PM
Do we know the academic status of UNL and Purdue? As 5-7 teams, they could possibly get in. I've read that there could be a shortage of teams this year.
Sadly, Purdue finished 4-8. That damn Nevada loss...
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2019, 08:00:45 PM
Do we know the academic status of UNL and Purdue? As 5-7 teams, they could possibly get in. I've read that there could be a shortage of teams this year.
apparently, Skers are out.
deservedly so 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: GopherRock on December 02, 2019, 09:55:07 PM
I'd be shocked if the Gophers ended up anywhere other than the Outback. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 03, 2019, 12:00:42 PM
Some smoke that MSU will head to the Pinstripe Bowl to play Pitt
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 03, 2019, 04:03:24 PM
Some smoke that MSU will head to the Pinstripe Bowl to play Pitt
FWIW, the source of that leak (local MSU reporter) has a reputation that the immediate response was that MSU was likely going anywhere except the Pinstripe Bowl.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 12:50:27 PM
Just think this will be useful.  They'll release the new year's 6 bowl teams in a few hours.  We can put the matchups here and talk about it for the next few weeks.   
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 12:50:49 PM
Peach:  LSU vs OU
Fiesta:  OSU vs Clemson
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 12:54:31 PM
Rose:


Sugar:


Orange:


Cotton:

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 08, 2019, 03:06:27 PM
Wiscy to the rose bowl and Penn State against Memphis in the Cotton Bowl?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 08, 2019, 03:08:29 PM
Auburn Minnesota in the Outback bowl
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 03:08:43 PM
Rose:  Wisconsin vs Oregon
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 03:08:59 PM
Sugar:  Georgia vs Baylor
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 03:09:06 PM
Orange:  Florida vs Virginia
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 03:09:19 PM
Cotton:  Memphis vs Penn St
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 03:09:49 PM
Super lame to be playing #17 for PSU.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 08, 2019, 03:10:09 PM
Gator Bowl is Kentucky Indiana
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 03:11:14 PM
Gator Bowl is Kentucky Indiana
Basketball Invitational
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 08, 2019, 03:16:08 PM
Sounds like Bama Michigan in the citrus
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 03:18:44 PM
I know UVA is ranked lower than Memphis, but I'd rather play a P5 program than G5.  Not a decision, just how I feel.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 08, 2019, 03:22:07 PM
Wake Forest - MSU in the Pinstripe Bowl
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 03:27:57 PM
So someone explain to me why Virginia and Memphis should be in the NY6 rather than Wisconsin or Auburn or Alabama or Utah or Minnesota.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 03:30:47 PM
Utah in Alamo Bowl




USC in Holiday Bowl
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 08, 2019, 03:31:02 PM
Holiday is Iowa USC
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 08, 2019, 03:36:30 PM

Ohio Dominican lost the inaugural Crossroads Bowl 21-7.

(https://glvcsports.com/common/controls/image_handler.aspx?thumb_prefix=rp_primary&image_path=/images/2019/11/18/GLVC_Format_Bowl_Game.jpg)

Mt Union got eliminated in the Sweet 16, marking their worst post season run of this century, iirc.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 08, 2019, 03:40:18 PM
Super lame to be playing #17 for PSU.
I agree 100 percent. It's lame that the G5 needs to have a seat at the table in the first place.


Stick Utah, Auburn or Bama in there and call it good. As for the Orange... put ND or Minnie or Iowa or Michigan there over UVA, all day.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 03:40:33 PM
Holiday is Iowa USC
Good game.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 08, 2019, 03:41:02 PM
Sounds like Bama Michigan in the citrus



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Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 03:41:48 PM
#1 LSU's QB started at OSU
#2 OSU's QB started at UGA
#4 OU's QB started at Bama
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MichiFan87 on December 08, 2019, 03:43:03 PM
Michigan vs Alabama in Orlando is official. 

Supposedly Alabama could have some players sitting out while none of have indicated as much for Michigan this year (Uche has said he'll play despite going pro), though....
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 03:44:29 PM
I hate that - wasn't as fun playing UM in the Peach Bowl minus their top defensive players.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 03:46:08 PM
I tried to delete my bowl thread, but couldn't. Thanks.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 08, 2019, 03:46:40 PM
I took it and merged it into this one, since Max started it earlier.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 08, 2019, 03:47:25 PM
Good game.
Iowa could get revenge for the 2002 debacle in Miami.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 08, 2019, 03:50:24 PM
Redbox is Cal Illinois
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 08, 2019, 03:54:01 PM
Someone's got a lot of game threads to make.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 03:54:21 PM
Camping World Bowl:  ND vs Iowa State
Where in the hell is that one?  Is that the pre-Citrus Bowl in Orlando?


UPDATE:  Yes, it's the pre-citrus bowl in Orlando



I can't wait for the playoff to expand to 32 teams and have individual sites host 4 bowls!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 03:59:49 PM
ESPN:  Hey!  Let's interview Geno Auriema about college football!
(Jibberish ensues)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 08, 2019, 04:16:40 PM
Some weird smoke that bowls may change. For example MSU to Music City
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 08, 2019, 04:18:33 PM
Check that they meant Miss state
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 08, 2019, 04:21:13 PM
Check that they meant Miss state
I'd rather have the Music City over the Gator Bowl (or whatever it is now), because Nash Vegas!!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 08, 2019, 04:22:15 PM
This is yet another one of those extremely rare seasons with three major unbeaten teams.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 08, 2019, 04:24:35 PM
So Indiana will play Tennessee in the Gator Bowl
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 08, 2019, 04:28:26 PM
Rose - Wisconsin - Oregon
Cotton - PSU - Memphis
Taxslayer - Indiana - Tennessee
Outback - Minnesota - Auburn
Citrus - Michigan - Alabama

Redbox - Illinois - Cal
Holiday - Iowa - USC
Pinstripe - Michigan State - Wake Forest
Toilet - Rutger - Arkansa
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 08, 2019, 04:30:41 PM
So Indiana will play Tennessee in the Gator Bowl
Tennessee, or Kentucky?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 08, 2019, 04:38:31 PM
Belk: Kentucky vs. Virginia Tech
Music City: Mississippi State vs. Louisville
Gator: Tennessee vs. Indiana


Last second changes, I amended the above.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 08, 2019, 04:50:35 PM
Tennessee, or Kentucky?
Tennessee. Apparently Tennessee changed their mind at the last second. Kind of like their coaching situation
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on December 08, 2019, 05:57:54 PM
So someone explain to me why Virginia and Memphis should be in the NY6 rather than Wisconsin or Auburn or Alabama or Utah or Minnesota.
Memphis is there because the P5 schools through the G5 schools a bone to avoid a lawsuit.

As for Virginia--a bad team--it's because the ACC is contracted with the Orange Bowl.

Back in the bad old days, the Orange Bowl normally took the Big 8 champion.  So they got teams from OU, Nebraska, Colorado, etc.  Now they get the ACC, with teams like Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, etc.  I don't think it has been a good trade.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 08, 2019, 06:09:28 PM
Burfle.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 06:44:57 PM
Memphis is there because the P5 schools through the G5 schools a bone to avoid a lawsuit.

As for Virginia--a bad team--it's because the ACC is contracted with the Orange Bowl.

Back in the bad old days, the Orange Bowl normally took the Big 8 champion.  So they got teams from OU, Nebraska, Colorado, etc.  Now they get the ACC, with teams like Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, etc.  I don't think it has been a good trade.
I know WHY they are, I asked SHOULD they.  Rhetorical question.

I do wish instead of getting a tie-in with the SEC in the Sugar, the XII did their own thing and signed on with the Orange.  Let the ACC go out west to the Cotton or Fiesta or whatever.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 06:48:48 PM
Taxslayer = Gator Bowl
wtf is the Redbox?  Emerald?  Fight taxes?  End Emeralds? This is so stupid.
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Let's start the CFN Bowl and host it in...OshKosh.  We'll sell brats to eat and cups of SEC speed to drink.  It'll sell at least 47 tickets or so.  They'll show it on Cinemax at 3am. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 08, 2019, 06:50:47 PM
I know WHY they are, I asked SHOULD they.  Rhetorical question.

I do wish instead of getting a tie-in with the SEC in the Sugar, the XII did their own thing and signed on with the Orange.  Let the ACC go out west to the Cotton or Fiesta or whatever.
They shouldn’t.  I really don’t like the bowl tie ins.  If I were king of college football I would do away with that right off the bat.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on December 08, 2019, 07:01:19 PM
Taxslayer = Gator Bowl
wtf is the Redbox?  Emerald?  Fight taxes?  End Emeralds? This is so stupid.
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Let's start the CFN Bowl and host it in...OshKosh.  We'll sell brats to eat and cups of SEC speed to drink.  It'll sell at least 47 tickets or so.  They'll show it on Cinemax at 3am. 
It's in a baseball stadium, or at least it was. And a stadium much better located than the 49ers stadium.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on December 08, 2019, 07:03:12 PM
I know WHY they are, I asked SHOULD they.  Rhetorical question.

I do wish instead of getting a tie-in with the SEC in the Sugar, the XII did their own thing and signed on with the Orange.  Let the ACC go out west to the Cotton or Fiesta or whatever.
I don't mind Memphis. Virginia, ehhh. 

The locked in conference filler is highly bleh.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 07:29:45 PM
So if ND was an option for the Orange, why the hell did they take UVA?  Florida-ND is a pretty snazzy "other bowl" matchup, no?  We'd like payback for the 91 Sugar Bowl, btw.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 08, 2019, 07:30:05 PM
A lot of burfle.  I'll watch.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 08, 2019, 08:34:15 PM
So if ND was an option for the Orange, why the hell did they take UVA?  Florida-ND is a pretty snazzy "other bowl" matchup, no?  We'd like payback for the 91 Sugar Bowl, btw.
I don't know that ND was an option. Not sure the ACC sold out for ND like the Big East did back in the day. They did bend over, but probably not THAT much.


The Orange will be the least watched NYD6 game, I think. PSU/Memphis will draw eyes, for curiosity only, and for PSU, in the considerable B1G footprint.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on December 08, 2019, 08:40:22 PM
I know WHY they are, I asked SHOULD they.  Rhetorical question.

I do wish instead of getting a tie-in with the SEC in the Sugar, the XII did their own thing and signed on with the Orange.  Let the ACC go out west to the Cotton or Fiesta or whatever.
The old Big 8 tie-in with the Orange Bowl ended when the Big 8 ended.  But the historical evidence is all over the Orange Bowl records.  The top two programs in number of appearances there are OU (20) and Nebraska (17).  The next closest are Miami and FSU (10 each).

When the Big 12 was formed, it allied with the Fiesta Bowl, for reasons I do not know.  Maybe it's closer, or because it offered better incentives/payoffs.  But the general impression I got from people who attend bowls is that they would rather have been going to Miami than to Phoenix.

There was talk between the Big 12 and the SEC about using Jerry World (the current site of the Cotton Bowl) for a "Champions Bowl" that would match the winner of each conference.  IIRC, this was when the Cotton Bowl was still being played in the old Cotton Bowl Stadium at Fair Park and was not one of the BCS bowls.  The playoff being approved--with the Cotton Bowl Classic being moved to Jerry World and being one of the 6 locations for the CFP--is I suppose what scotched the "Champions" idea.

Instead, that concept was transferred to the Sugar Bowl--which is obviously a bowl used in the CFP--and so that's what we have now.  Sort of a Rose Bowl-lite, without the beautiful scenic venue, the Tournament of Roses, and a century-plus of tradition. Only, in the CFP era, I don't think that both conference champions have ever met there because of the participation in the playoff of one or both of them.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on December 08, 2019, 08:48:41 PM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on Today at 07:29:45 PM (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/bowling-for-burgers/msg176274/#msg176274)
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So if ND was an option for the Orange, why the hell did they take UVA?  Florida-ND is a pretty snazzy "other bowl" matchup, no?  We'd like payback for the 91 Sugar Bowl, btw.


I don't know that ND was an option. Not sure the ACC sold out for ND like the Big East did back in the day. They did bend over, but probably not THAT much.


The Orange will be the least watched NYD6 game, I think. PSU/Memphis will draw eyes, for curiosity only, and for PSU, in the considerable B1G footprint.
Per Wikipedia, the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge:

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The Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) is locked into a 12-year deal (2014–2025) with the Orange Bowl, so if the ACC champion qualifies for the playoffs in a year when the Orange Bowl is not a semifinal host, the next-highest ranked ACC team will play in the Orange Bowl. For the secondary tie-ins, the Southeastern Conference (SEC) and the Big Ten Conference are guaranteed three appearances each, and the University of Notre Dame can play in a maximum of two games, but is not guaranteed any appearances. The ACC team's opponent in a given year will be the highest-ranked available team from the SEC, Big Ten, and Notre Dame, subject to several constraints: the SEC and Big Ten champions are always excluded, and when an SEC and/or Big Ten team qualifies for the College Football Playoff, the next available team would also be excluded from participating in the Orange Bowl due to contractual obligations with the Sugar Bowl and Rose Bowl, respectively. Also, should a highest-ranked team create a rematch with the ACC team, the Orange Bowl has the option of passing over that team for the next-highest ranked team among the Big Ten, SEC, and Notre Dame, again subject to the noted constraints. Rankings are based on the College Football Playoff committee's rankings. ESPN holds the television rights for 12 years as well.[11]

From that, I think that Notre Dame would have been an option for the non-ACC slot in the Orange Bowl.  FWIW, I've been tracking bowl projections ever since early in the season, and since the Irish got their second loss, they've often been projected to the Camping World Bowl.
It seems that, in years when it is not part of the playoff structure, the Orange Bowl is generally the least-watched game.  Maybe it's in competition with the Cotton Bowl for that honor.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 08, 2019, 08:53:17 PM
Well, screw ND anyway. Join a conference. Or, enjoy the Camping World.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 09:32:02 PM
Yeah, they need an opt-out if the ACC 1 or 2 choice isn't in the top 16 or something.  Or allow ND to take over the ACC spot. 

I understand that the conference wants the slot - money, exposure, etc.  But I think it backfires if (when?) the ACC team gets demolished.  Remember WV hanging 70 on Clemson? 
Since Clemson has been good, during the playoff era, the non-Clemson teams are actually 2-1.  But it was GT over Miss St (yawn) and FSU beating Michigan, which turned out to be a great game, but no one cared. 


I'm probably just bitchy that we don't have a sexy opponent.  The ACC without an alpha-dog FSU is totally emasculated.  VT isn't special.  Miami is a dumpster fire.  A perfect shyt storm, I guess.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 08, 2019, 09:35:25 PM
So give ND $5Mil and the rest goes to the AAC/ACC. This game will be a shit show. Nobody is going to watch it, let alone attend it.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 09:35:42 PM
Florida's had some big games in the Orange Bowl.  We spanked the best team Maryland has had in a long time, 56-23 (I think).  Spanked a Donovan McNabb-led Syracuse team like 31-10.   The other win was Spurrier's Heisman season.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 08, 2019, 09:37:44 PM
Would you rather play Virginia, or play Michigan or Minnesota or Iowa or ND?

Florida is in a lose-lose here, much like Penn State. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 09:38:51 PM
I'd rather play any of those over UVA.  I'd prefer ND most.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 08, 2019, 09:47:37 PM
I'd rather play any of those over UVA.  I'd prefer ND most.
Definitely the easiest game.


Iowa/Florida would be a bloody game. Those Iowa kids hit, and they hit hard. Just like Florida.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on December 08, 2019, 10:12:52 PM
Florida's had some big games in the Orange Bowl.  We spanked the best team Maryland has had in a long time, 56-23 (I think).  Spanked a Donovan McNabb-led Syracuse team like 31-10.  The other win was Spurrier's Heisman season.
You beat OU in the 2008 BCS NC game which was played at the Orange Bowl.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on December 08, 2019, 10:16:38 PM
I'd rather play any of those over UVA.  I'd prefer ND most.
If OU is not in the CFP, my default preference would be to play Notre Dame--no matter how good or bad--every year.  We're something like 2-9 against the Irish all-time, and that's a record that needs adjusting.
I would love to see OU play Notre Dame in the NC game some day.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 10:20:01 PM
You beat OU in the 2008 BCS NC game which was played at the Orange Bowl.
Yeah, that's probably where I get my lack of respect for video-game number offenses.  I was talking about proper, official OBs.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on December 08, 2019, 10:21:45 PM
Yeah, that's probably where I get my lack of respect for video-game number offenses.  I was talking about proper, official OBs. 
The score was 24-14.  Pretty much dominated by defenses.  I don't know how you could come away from that feeling lack of respect.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 10:24:05 PM
If OU is not in the CFP, my default preference would be to play Notre Dame--no matter how good or bad--every year.  We're something like 2-9 against the Irish all-time, and that's a record that needs adjusting.
I would love to see OU play Notre Dame in the NC game some day.
Yeah, no love for ND, I just want payback.
At the end of the '91 season, Florida actually had a chance at the NC.  If Miami lost the Orange and Washington lost the Rose, Florida was 3rd.  It's possible Michigan would have jumped Florida by beating UW, but I doubt it.  UF sort of had the same issue as this year - playing #18 ND for whatever reason.  #1 Miami played #11 Nebraska.

Alas, Miami shut out UNL and UW spanked Desmond Howard and UM.  Jerome Bettis had 2 long FB dive TDs in the 4th quarter.  The Gators lost because we kicked like 6 FGs in the first half, while totally dominating in yardage.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 10:24:30 PM
The score was 24-14.  Pretty much dominated by defenses.  I don't know how you could come away from that feeling lack of respect.
OU's "we score 60 points every week" offense putting up 14.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 08, 2019, 10:26:08 PM
At the end of the '91 season, Florida actually had a chance at the NC.  If Miami lost the Orange and Washington lost the Rose, Florida was 3rd.  It's possible Michigan would have jumped Florida by beating UW, but I doubt it.  UF sort of had the same issue as this year - playing #18 ND for whatever reason.  #1 Miami played #11 Nebraska.

Alas, Miami shut out UNL 
the low point before the dominant run
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 10:56:40 PM
Bowls with P5 teams:
Gator:  Tennessee vs Indiana
Birmingham:  BC vs Cincinnati
Outback:  Minnesota vs Auburn
Citrus:  Michigan vs Alabama
Liberty:  K-State vs Navy
Sun:  Arizona St vs Florida St
Belk:  Va Tech vs Kentucky
Alamo:  Utah vs Texas
RedboxEmeraldFFS:  Illinois vs Cal
Music Nash Vegas:  Louisville vs Miss State
CampingPreCitrus:  ND vs Iowa St
Cheez-ItPreFiesta:  Washington St vs USAFA
Holiday:  USC vs Iowa
Texas:  Texas A&M vs Okie St
Pinstripe:  Michigan St vs Wake Forest
Military:  UNC vs Temple
Quick Lane:  Pitt vs EMU
Shreveport:  Miami vs La Tech
Vegas:  Washington vs Boise
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 08, 2019, 11:04:03 PM
I'll start watching after Christmas. Or a little after.

Bed time. Bye.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on December 08, 2019, 11:12:52 PM
OU's "we score 60 points every week" offense putting up 14.
IIRC, Florida was in the top 5 in scoring offense that year.

This is another one of those data points that doesn't fit your preferred narrative, but you twist it out of shape to make it fit anyway.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 09, 2019, 12:13:23 AM
IIRC, Florida was in the top 5 in scoring offense that year.

This is another one of those data points that doesn't fit your preferred narrative, but you twist it out of shape to make it fit anyway.
I was just sharing, wasn't saying it was right or wrong. 
You must have forgotten how OU's offense was all anyone was talking about.  Or maybe I'm remembering it wrong.  I wasn't trying to poke you or anything.
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Looking back at it, Florida held 5 opp to under 10 points that year - all P5 teams.  OU only held 1 to under 10 points, and it was UT-Chattanooga in the opener.  So yes, while both teams had big offenses, I was assuming our defense would be the difference.  Both defenses played better than expected, but in the end the bigger offense coming in scored just twice.  
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Fans of opposing teams are going to often come away with different opinions having seen the same game, no?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 09, 2019, 02:04:43 AM
Can’t somebody make a phone call and put Texas vs. Texas A&M in the freaking Texas Bowl?

Is that not the most obvious match up in the whole damn world?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 09, 2019, 07:45:12 AM
Could have happened two other times in the Texas Bowl in recent years, but hasn't...

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 09, 2019, 09:57:21 AM
gotta be a big pile of money laying on that table
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: LetsGoPeay on December 09, 2019, 11:38:30 AM
The wife and I bought our plane tickets for the Gator Bowl last night. I'm pretty excited. It's not often that IU goes to a bowl game and its even more rare that I would be able to attend. The schedule worked out just right for us this year.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 09, 2019, 11:44:15 AM
The wife and I bought our plane tickets for the Gator Bowl last night. I'm pretty excited. It's not often that IU goes to a bowl game and its even more rare that I would be able to attend. The schedule worked out just right for us this year.
That's great. Hopefully you have great weather and can get out to the beach areas while you're there.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 09, 2019, 11:58:02 AM
If I weren't camping that week, I'd probably head down to San Antonio for the Alamo Bowl.

It's not a bad destination, San Antonio's a pretty good bowl hosting site, truthfully.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 09, 2019, 12:50:21 PM
agreed
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on December 09, 2019, 02:38:45 PM
If I weren't camping that week, I'd probably head down to San Antonio for the Alamo Bowl.

It's not a bad destination, San Antonio's a pretty good bowl hosting site, truthfully.
Here's a site that says that the Alamo Bowl messed up the Big 12's bowl picture by picking Texas instead of letting the Horns slide to the Camping World Bowl. 

https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2019/12/08/ranking-the-2019-20-big-12-bowl-games/
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 09, 2019, 04:16:24 PM
Here's a site that says that the Alamo Bowl messed up the Big 12's bowl picture by picking Texas instead of letting the Horns slide to the Camping World Bowl.

https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2019/12/08/ranking-the-2019-20-big-12-bowl-games/
Not sure what you mean by "messed up?"  As far as I know, outside of the CFP and Sugar Bowl, all the other B12-affiliated bowls are allowed to pick whomever they want. 

Their sole goal is to fill their stadium, and I suppose the Alamo Bowl reps felt that Texas would do that better than any other B12 team still available after the CFP and Sugar made their picks.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 09, 2019, 06:40:38 PM
hah, the Alamo may have "messed up" the next bowl in the picking order's chance to make a pile of money
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 09, 2019, 06:58:41 PM
hah, the Alamo may have "messed up" the next bowl in the picking order's chance to make a pile of money
Well, yeah.  That's the only reason bowl games exist.  It's the only reason they've ever existed.  They're exhibitions that are staged by promoters.  The only purpose of the bowl game-- EVER-- was to make money for the promoters.

A lot has changed about college football over the past 30-50 years, but that hasn't.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on December 09, 2019, 08:00:10 PM
Not sure what you mean by "messed up?"  As far as I know, outside of the CFP and Sugar Bowl, all the other B12-affiliated bowls are allowed to pick whomever they want. 

Their sole goal is to fill their stadium, and I suppose the Alamo Bowl reps felt that Texas would do that better than any other B12 team still available after the CFP and Sugar made their picks.
If you read the linked article, it should have answered that question.
The article asserts among other things that Texas fans would have preferred traveling to Orlando for the Camping World Bowl rather than to San Antonio for the Alamo Bowl.  I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what it says.
It also asserts that Texas-Notre Dame would have been a much bigger, better game than Texas-Utah, because with the latter you get a team coming off a hugely disappointing loss and falling from a potential CFP slot to the Alamo Bowl. (Which is really on the Pac-12, as it has not negotiated any automatic participation in any bowl between the Alamo and the Rose.)  And because Texas-Notre Dame is a sexier matchup just from a helmet status if nothing else.

And it asserts that Iowa State-Utah would be a better game than Texas-Utah for reasons that are somewhat fuzzy in my recollection.

FTR, The Alamo Bowl has 1st pick of the Big 12 (and of the Pac-12) after the CPP/NY6 teams are taken.  The Camping World Bowl is next to pick from the Big 12, followed in order by the Texas Bowl, the Liberty Bowl, the Cheez-It Bowl, and the First Responder Bowl.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on December 09, 2019, 08:05:19 PM
Well, yeah.  That's the only reason bowl games exist.  It's the only reason they've ever existed.  They're exhibitions that are staged by promoters.  The only purpose of the bowl game-- EVER-- was to make money for the promoters.

A lot has changed about college football over the past 30-50 years, but that hasn't.
I ask this because I don't know.  Does the attractiveness of the matchup affect TV revenue for a bowl game, or is that negotiated far in advance?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 09, 2019, 08:15:43 PM
If not, it might impact future negotiations.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 09, 2019, 08:18:15 PM

The article asserts among other things that Texas fans would have preferred traveling to Orlando for the Camping World Bowl rather than to San Antonio for the Alamo Bowl.  I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what it says.

well, a few Horn fans with kids might want to fly to an amusement park

the HUGE majority would rather make the short drive to San Antonio
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 09, 2019, 08:37:34 PM
I ask this because I don't know.  Does the attractiveness of the matchup affect TV revenue for a bowl game, or is that negotiated far in advance?
If not, it might impact future negotiations.

The bowl promoters don't give a rat's ass about the TV ratings.  They get their money from the sponsors, ticket sales, stadium ad revenue and promotions, concessions, etc.  The TV revenue for the bowl games are negotiated with the conferences-- as a package-- well in advance.  Since ESPN owns almost all of the bowls now, it's really just a portfolio investment for them.  Some games will be winners, some will be losers, and overall they're making the bet they're going to come out on top.  They keep investing so I suppose it's working for them.

well, a few Horn fans with kids might want to fly to an amusement park

the HUGE majority would rather make the short drive to San Antonio
Absolutely.  I don't personally know a single Longhorn fan in Austin, Dallas, or Houston, that would spend the money to travel to Orlando to watch an immensely disappointing 7-5 Texas team play football.  Not even against Notre Dame.  But plenty of them would go to San Antonio.

Not just that, but outside of CFP and NY6 type bowls, the majority of attendance for most bowls comes from locals.  There are TONS of Longhorn "t-shirt fans" in San Antonio that would never bother to come to Austin for a game, but will be delighted to go see a game in their home city.  We've seen that play out every time we've been in the Alamo Bowl-- lots and lots of San Antonio locals that didn't necessarily graduate from UT but still root for the Longhorns.  That's maybe not the best thing for the local hotels and restaurants since many day-trip in (like I have twice), but the Alamo Bowl promoters are not really concerned with that-- they're worried about gate receipts, concessions, etc.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 09, 2019, 08:39:48 PM
guy writing the article was obviously just trying to stir the pot!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on December 09, 2019, 08:55:01 PM
guy writing the article was obviously just trying to stir the pot!
Takes one to know one, doesn't it?  ;)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 09, 2019, 08:56:32 PM
If you read the linked article, it should have answered that question.

Well I took a look, but as you illustrate below, it was pretty stupid and didn't make a compelling point. 

The article asserts among other things that Texas fans would have preferred traveling to Orlando for the Camping World Bowl rather than to San Antonio for the Alamo Bowl.  I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what it says.

Yeah, that's problem #1, because I think it's completely untrue.  Certainly untrue among every single Longhorn fan I know in Austin, Dallas, or Houston.  Just some clickbait here.

It also asserts that Texas-Notre Dame would have been a much bigger, better game than Texas-Utah, because with the latter you get a team coming off a hugely disappointing loss and falling from a potential CFP slot to the Alamo Bowl. (Which is really on the Pac-12, as it has not negotiated any automatic participation in any bowl between the Alamo and the Rose.)  And because Texas-Notre Dame is a sexier matchup just from a helmet status if nothing else.

For TV ad revenue, Texas-Notre Dame is a better matchup than Texas-Utah.  But that's not what the Alamo Bowl promoters care about,  and from a competitive standpoint I'm not sure it would be any more interesting.  Texas would and should be a pretty heavy dog to either team.  More clickbait.

And it asserts that Iowa State-Utah would be a better game than Texas-Utah for reasons that are somewhat fuzzy in my recollection.

Well ISU beat Texas, but lost to two teams Texas beat, and still ended up with the same record, so... maybe?  Seems like a reach.

FTR, The Alamo Bowl has 1st pick of the Big 12 (and of the Pac-12) after the CPP/NY6 teams are taken.  The Camping World Bowl is next to pick from the Big 12, followed in order by the Texas Bowl, the Liberty Bowl, the Cheez-It Bowl, and the First Responder Bowl.

Comments above in red.  Overall just looks like clickbait to me.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 09, 2019, 08:58:38 PM
guy writing the article was obviously just trying to stir the pot!
Indeed!

As is the person that posted it. ;)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on December 09, 2019, 09:13:46 PM
The bowl promoters don't give a rat's ass about the TV ratings.  They get their money from the sponsors, ticket sales, stadium ad revenue and promotions, concessions, etc.  The TV revenue for the bowl games are negotiated with the conferences-- as a package-- well in advance.  Since ESPN owns almost all of the bowls now, it's really just a portfolio investment for them.  Some games will be winners, some will be losers, and overall they're making the bet they're going to come out on top.  They keep investing so I suppose it's working for them. . . .

I don't personally know a single Longhorn fan in Austin, Dallas, or Houston, that would spend the money to travel to Orlando to watch an immensely disappointing 7-5 Texas team play football.  Not even against Notre Dame.  But plenty of them would go to San Antonio.
So that part of the article, at least, is just B.S.  That's not surprising.  I was surprised to see that part asserted in the first place.  Fans will travel long distances in great numbers for various reasons.  But going to a medium bowl after a hugely disappointing season is not one of those reasons.

I do buy the argument that Texas-Notre Dame is a much more attractive game than either Texas-Utah or Iowa State-Notre Dame.  If I were running ESPN, I would care about that.  Throwaway bowl games are a dime a dozen.  Matching up two helmet teams, even in disappointing seasons (in different ways) for both of them, in a medium-tier (and presumably medium-cost) bowl is an opportunity not to be casually thrown away.  Or so it seems to me.

If I were king of ESPN, I'd have pulled every lever I had to get a better matchup in the Orange Bowl this year.  I remember that for one Orange Bowl early in this decade tickets were going for $5, and they still had a half-empty stadium.

Quote
Not just that, but outside of CFP and NY6 type bowls, the majority of attendance for most bowls comes from locals.  There are TONS of Longhorn "t-shirt fans" in San Antonio that would never bother to come to Austin for a game, but will be delighted to go see a game in their home city.  We've seen that play out every time we've been in the Alamo Bowl-- lots and lots of San Antonio locals that didn't necessarily graduate from UT but still root for the Longhorns.  That's maybe not the best thing for the local hotels and restaurants since many day-trip in (like I have twice), but the Alamo Bowl promoters are not really concerned with that-- they're worried about gate receipts, concessions, etc.
Never drive 80-90 miles to see the Horns?  Those are some T-shirt fans indeed.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on December 09, 2019, 09:15:08 PM
Indeed!

As is the person that posted it. ;)
Hah!

If I wanted to stir the pot to the detriment of UT, I could have found something a lot better than that article.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 09, 2019, 09:30:44 PM
guy writing the article was obviously just trying to stir the pot!
Every mainstream sports article does this.  To find prudent, educated sports articles, you have to dig deep.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 09, 2019, 09:36:47 PM
even if ESPN offered to purchase any leftover tickets in the Alamo bowl

they wouldn't be able to assure the local businesses that the revenue would be the same
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 09, 2019, 09:37:47 PM
Hah!

If I wanted to stir the pot to the detriment of UT, I could have found something a lot better than that article.
you sir, are a professional

yer a land thievin Boomer Sooner
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 09, 2019, 09:40:48 PM
So that part of the article, at least, is just B.S.  That's not surprising.  I was surprised to see that part asserted in the first place.  Fans will travel long distances in great numbers for various reasons.  But going to a medium bowl after a hugely disappointing season is not one of those reasons.

I do buy the argument that Texas-Notre Dame is a much more attractive game than either Texas-Utah or Iowa State-Notre Dame.  If I were running ESPN, I would care about that.  Throwaway bowl games are a dime a dozen.  Matching up two helmet teams, even in disappointing seasons (in different ways) for both of them, in a medium-tier (and presumably medium-cost) bowl is an opportunity not to be casually thrown away.  Or so it seems to me.

If I were king of ESPN, I'd have pulled every lever I had to get a better matchup in the Orange Bowl this year.  I remember that for one Orange Bowl early in this decade tickets were going for $5, and they still had a half-empty stadium.
Never drive 80-90 miles to see the Horns?  Those are some T-shirt fans indeed.


Well they didn't go to UT, and are just citizens of the state of Texas, residing in a city in Texas, and supporting the local team.  In San Antonio they tend to be UT fans.  In the small towns of East Texas the local non-college-attendees tend to be A&M fans.  In the panhandle they tend to be Texas Tech fans.  Nothing surprising about that.  It's like the NFL, geographic proximity generates the fanship.  So no, they're not particularly interested in spending all day or overnight seeing a team of a school then never attended, but when it's a local trip that makes it more interesting.

Plus there will also be plenty of Longhorn fans from Dallas, Austin, and Houston that will be willing to trek to San Antonio for a 7-5 Texas team (but not Orlando) as I stated earlier.  Of course, you already know all this and are just getting your digs in, as you are wont to do.

Hah!

If I wanted to stir the pot to the detriment of UT, I could have found something a lot better than that article.

You say this, all the while continuing to stir the pot.  ICWUDT. :)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on December 09, 2019, 10:08:21 PM
It's all in the eyes of the beholder.

One man sees a pot-stirrer.

Another man sees somebody just shooting the breeze while he's whittling on his stick.

;)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on December 09, 2019, 10:09:49 PM
you sir, are a professional

yer a land thievin Boomer Sooner
I may be a professional.  And I'm certainly Boomer Sooner.

But all the dadgum land was already stolen before I showed up.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 09, 2019, 10:12:31 PM
so, yer a little slow....
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on December 09, 2019, 10:17:15 PM
so, yer a little slow....
That's what she said.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 19, 2019, 08:53:11 AM
Bowls start tomorrow

2 pm, Bahamas Bowl, Buffalo v. Charlotte, ESPN

If I had unlimited time and money, I would probably go to the Bahamas to watch this game.  Not really based on anything of the teams, but because it seems pretty weird and cool to watch a game in the Bahamas.  In any event, Charlotte has only had football for five years, and Buffalo is making their fourth bowl appearance, and both are are looking for their first win.  BTW, if I'm looking for a head coach I'm giving Buffalo coach Lance Leipold a pretty long look.  His record in Division 3 was nearly perfect, and Buffalo has the look of a consistent winner (which is something, for Buffalo).  When Illinois cans Lovie after next season he would be a pretty solid hire.

7:30, Frisco Bowl, Utah State v. Kent State, ESPN2

Well well, Badge's favorite head coach ever, Gary Anderson, gets the Friday night football spot in Frisco, Texas.  His quarterback, Jordan Love, is being talked about as a potential first round pick, so that's interesting.  Also, he was recently cited for marijuana possession, which always makes me wonder if Utah is just a state full of narcs.  Kent State rattled off three wins at the end of the season to clinch a bowl berth.  Still, they only held one team below 20 points all season, and that was worst in FBS football Akron, so don't expect a defensive battle.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on December 19, 2019, 09:27:36 AM
well, a few Horn fans with kids might want to fly to an amusement park

the HUGE majority would rather make the short drive to San Antonio
This is correct, thought bowl promotors tend to represent cities, and hotels are something they want used. So setting up driving bowls has some drawbacks.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on December 19, 2019, 09:30:25 AM
Every mainstream sports article does this.  To find prudent, educated sports articles, you have to dig deep.
This is not a mainstream article. It's some jack-wagon blog post. But several pages of discussion referencing it makes clear why this garbage continues to exist.

(Honestly, the vast majority of mainstream articles are rather boring recitations of facts, accounts of events and what principle actors said. Most articles are just bland because they give you the news and not much else. Folks just can't resist the other stuff)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 19, 2019, 09:31:44 AM
Yeah, obviously, an ideal would be to invite a team 100+ miles distant and have a night game.  Most would stay the night.

The Peach Bowl back when it was a minor bowl usually did a good job with this.  It was on NYE and they had SEC-ACC pairings, and it was the rare bowl that usually sold out.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on December 19, 2019, 09:32:39 AM
So that part of the article, at least, is just B.S.  That's not surprising.  I was surprised to see that part asserted in the first place.  Fans will travel long distances in great numbers for various reasons.  But going to a medium bowl after a hugely disappointing season is not one of those reasons.

I do buy the argument that Texas-Notre Dame is a much more attractive game than either Texas-Utah or Iowa State-Notre Dame.  If I were running ESPN, I would care about that.  Throwaway bowl games are a dime a dozen.  Matching up two helmet teams, even in disappointing seasons (in different ways) for both of them, in a medium-tier (and presumably medium-cost) bowl is an opportunity not to be casually thrown away.  Or so it seems to me.

If I were king of ESPN, I'd have pulled every lever I had to get a better matchup in the Orange Bowl this year.  I remember that for one Orange Bowl early in this decade tickets were going for $5, and they still had a half-empty stadium.
Never drive 80-90 miles to see the Horns?  Those are some T-shirt fans indeed.

When you see such a thing that surprises you, uses it as an indicator. In fact, when you read "Texas probably sat on the phone like a girl who was asked to homecoming by her best friend before her dream crush made his move," you should step back and say, is there any reason this isn't some dummy spouting off? And when the answer is no, you should close the browser tab. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 19, 2019, 09:33:51 AM
(Honestly, the vast majority of mainstream articles are rather boring recitations of facts, accounts of events and what principle actors said. Most articles are just bland because they give you the news and not much else. Folks just can't resist the other stuff)
I see more and more articles labeled as "Analysis", both on sports sites and news sites.  They should just call it "Opinion".

I know ESPN et al. have to fill a lot of space every day, and I understand the writers have to contrive SOMETHING to get clicks, but obviously, much of it is not worth reading for the reasons you cite, it's obvious stuff, facts know, combined with an eye catching rather outrageous "prediction".
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 19, 2019, 09:54:27 AM
When you see such a thing that surprises you, uses it as an indicator. In fact, when you read "Texas probably sat on the phone like a girl who was asked to homecoming by her best friend before her dream crush made his move," you should step back and say, is there any reason this isn't some dummy spouting off? And when the answer is no, you should close the browser tab.
Ha!  Did it really say that?  I guess I skimmed past that bit.

It might not be accurate, but I gotta admit I love the imagery!

In reality, our dream crush is the CFP, and he ain't calling any time soon.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 19, 2019, 10:27:50 AM
This is correct, thought bowl promotors tend to represent cities, and hotels are something they want used. So setting up driving bowls has some drawbacks.
Eh. I think most bowl promoters are just out for themselves. And they've rigged the system such that every bowl makes money (via TV revenue, forced ticket sales to each team, etc) and lines their own pockets as promotors. 

Beyond that, I doubt they care about hotels, but additional attendance and concessions beyond the forced sales is best for their bottom line. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 19, 2019, 11:09:36 AM
Who are the "bowl promoters" generally speaking?  Do bowls make profits that they share?  Or are they often "city and business leaders"?  I think quite a few are non-profits, they send whatever money they make to some charity.  Maybe that isn't the case any more.

My guess is most minor bowl folks have an interest in promoting business within the city.  Why else does Shreveport have a bowl game?

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on December 19, 2019, 11:41:58 AM
Eh. I think most bowl promoters are just out for themselves. And they've rigged the system such that every bowl makes money (via TV revenue, forced ticket sales to each team, etc) and lines their own pockets as promotors.

Beyond that, I doubt they care about hotels, but additional attendance and concessions beyond the forced sales is best for their bottom line.
A lot of the small ones tend to be linked to local chambers of commerce and such. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 19, 2019, 11:50:56 AM
I think both bowl games tomorrow are owned by ESPN and put on more or less so ESPN has content.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 19, 2019, 12:12:46 PM
Who are the "bowl promoters" generally speaking?  Do bowls make profits that they share?  Or are they often "city and business leaders"?  I think quite a few are non-profits, they send whatever money they make to some charity.  Maybe that isn't the case any more.

My guess is most minor bowl folks have an interest in promoting business within the city.  Why else does Shreveport have a bowl game?


Yeah, whatever money they make, after they pay the exorbitant salaries of the executives promoting the bowl...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2017/12/14/bowl-game-executive-pay-soaring-around-1-million/949198001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2017/12/14/bowl-game-executive-pay-soaring-around-1-million/949198001/)

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 19, 2019, 12:14:50 PM
Yeah, whatever money they make, after they pay the exorbitant salaries of the executives promoting the bowl...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2017/12/14/bowl-game-executive-pay-soaring-around-1-million/949198001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2017/12/14/bowl-game-executive-pay-soaring-around-1-million/949198001/)


My cynical side is that they operate some sort of small charity to justify their existence, but most of the money made goes towards salaries for the various people involved.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 19, 2019, 12:19:51 PM
My cynical side is that they operate some sort of small charity to justify their existence, but most of the money made goes towards salaries for the various people involved.
The ESPN College Football Podcast had the Peach Bowl CEO on, and it was hilarious trying to listen to him justify his own existence.

It's good work, if you can get it
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 19, 2019, 12:23:55 PM
My cynical side is that they operate some sort of small charity to justify their existence, but most of the money made goes towards salaries for the various people involved.
Sounds very familiar, unfortunately. Precisely why I investigate the hell out of them before I open my wallet.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 19, 2019, 12:24:52 PM
In reality, our dream crush is the CFP, and he ain't calling any time soon.
Good move picking up Chris Ash,crootin' - it could happen
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 19, 2019, 12:26:02 PM
I'm more thinking of minor bowls, like the Liberty or Independence.  Who runs them?  Ate they interested in the motel business in the area?

How much money is made?  Is it charitable?  I imagine the "Fat Cats" don't get skinnier.  They do have to buy those nice sports coats.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 19, 2019, 12:59:29 PM
I'm more thinking of minor bowls, like the Liberty or Independence.  Who runs them?  Ate they interested in the motel business in the area?

How much money is made?  Is it charitable?  I imagine the "Fat Cats" don't get skinnier.  They do have to buy those nice sports coats.
Well, as stated I think most of those bowls are able to get TV revenue, bowl naming rights, and they generally [as a contingency of accepting the bowl invite] have all sorts of forced ticket sales with the teams. Minor bowls often end up as money-losers for the actual teams, because they can't sell their forced ticket allotment and yet they have to pay to bring their players, coaches, staff, band, etc etc to the bowl, including airfare, hotels, food, etc. They're designed to make money no matter if anyone watches or shows up, and they IMHO must be doing so or they wouldn't exist.

Do they want the local businesses and hotels to benefit? Sure. Are they profitable and worth holding if the local businesses and hotels don't see a dime? Probably yes as well. 

I don't know this source, but it was the first one I found when googling "college football teams lose money on bowl games": https://theoutline.com/post/2632/college-football-bowl-sponsorship-business?zd=1&zi=yh6zsdm6 (https://theoutline.com/post/2632/college-football-bowl-sponsorship-business?zd=1&zi=yh6zsdm6)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 19, 2019, 01:16:47 PM
I looked at the Liberty Bowl.  I had a hard time figuring out who owned it or whether it was a nonprofit.  However, it has been in Memphis forever, is played at Memphis' stadium, and is run by Steve Ehrhart, a Memphis based businessman who is connected to all sorts of Memphis sports stuff.  So it has more local flair than I imagine most of these places do.  It's sponsored by AutoZone, a Memphis based business.

The Independence Bowl also has regional flair, as the stadium is owned by Shreveport Louisiana and as far as I can tell not much else goes on there.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 19, 2019, 01:19:52 PM
I recall "back in the day" the Peach Bowl was viewed as a way to get more people into the city, and use Atlanta Stadium one more day of the year.  It didn't work all that well and I remember there was doubt in some years if it would even happen, and I think some deep pockets stepped in. 

The game was originally created as a fund-raiser by the Lions Clubs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lions_Clubs) of Georgia in 1968, but after years of lackluster attendance and revenue, the game was taken over by the Atlanta Chamber of Commerce.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peach_Bowl#cite_note-3)

Chick-fil-A (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fil-A), a fast food restaurant chain based in nearby College Park (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Park,_Georgia), has sponsored the game since 1997. From 2006 until 2013, Chick-fil-A's contract gave it full naming rights and the game was referred to as the Chick-fil-A Bowl as a result. The traditional "Peach Bowl" name was reinstated following the announcement that the bowl would be one of the six College Football Playoff bowls.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peach_Bowl#cite_note-repeach-4)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peach_Bowl#cite_note-5)[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peach_Bowl#cite_note-6)

The Peach Bowl has donated more than $32 million to charity since 2016.[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peach_Bowl#cite_note-16)


Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 19, 2019, 01:49:30 PM
I think it would be cool if Florida and Virginia wore orange and white combos for the Orange Bowl.

Florida: Orange pants, white shirts, orange helmets.

Virginia: White pants, orange shirts, white helmets.

Or vice-versa.

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2f13yq12csmv2yraq925m73i.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F09%2FUSATSI_8239119.jpg&hash=9b938e7de037c1daeb78a5cb2f15e820)


(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/90/0e/6a/900e6afe089478a6d0fac5b3d160f1d5.jpg)

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 19, 2019, 01:52:07 PM
Yeah, time for some uniform creativity.

Ha, almost an oxymoron there.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on December 19, 2019, 03:11:47 PM
Along that line, there was the 1971 GOTC.

(https://cdn2.newsok.biz/cache/r620-b79207e6cc6a6c1c18bf0f833b4038ef.jpg)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 19, 2019, 03:24:51 PM
the greatest game ever played
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on December 19, 2019, 05:11:34 PM
the greatest game ever played
It is as far as I'm concerned.
Sadly, the better team won.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 19, 2019, 05:42:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/IDlNzHi.png)

http://www.espn.com/classic/s/ou_neb_memories_schenkel.html (http://www.espn.com/classic/s/ou_neb_memories_schenkel.html)

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 19, 2019, 06:36:47 PM
Is this the Bowl Game SoC thread?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 19, 2019, 06:38:27 PM
Is this the Bowl Game SoC thread?
It can be anything you want.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 19, 2019, 06:44:18 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/IDlNzHi.png)

http://www.espn.com/classic/s/ou_neb_memories_schenkel.html (http://www.espn.com/classic/s/ou_neb_memories_schenkel.html)



That might have been called GOTC before others, and I'm certainly glad Texas won, but it's a pretty terrible game to watch.  Texas bumblefuc*s around for 3.5 quarters, and then finally puts together a miracle drive on a miracle throw to win it.

So I'll gladly take the win, but the true greatest game of all time ended like this:

(https://chapelboromedia.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2019/01/02141324/vince-young-091418-getty-ftr_11a6aq829y5ns1wobjpizs7jdt.jpg)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 19, 2019, 06:52:54 PM
The greatest game I ever watched was Texas-USC (above).  I was mesmerized.  I intended to watch a half and go to bed, nope.

Neither side was going to give an inch, blow for blow, it was a rumble in the ... jungle?

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 19, 2019, 06:56:09 PM
The greatest game I ever watched was Texas-USC (above).  I was mesmerized.  I intended to watch a half and go to bed, nope.

Neither side was going to give an inch, blow for blow, it was a rumble in the ... jungle?


It was crazy.  I had to leave the room and walk around the block several times to cool off.

I gifted my tickets to my parents, not sure what I thought was so pressing that I should stay in Austin, but they sure had a great time, which makes me really happy.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 20, 2019, 07:40:50 AM
Well the Bowl Games start today.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 20, 2019, 10:31:39 AM

Well the Bowl Games start today.
Repost for posterity


2 pm, Bahamas Bowl, Buffalo v. Charlotte, ESPN

If I had unlimited time and money, I would probably go to the Bahamas to watch this game.  Not really based on anything of the teams, but because it seems pretty weird and cool to watch a game in the Bahamas.  In any event, Charlotte has only had football for five years, and Buffalo is making their fourth bowl appearance, and both are are looking for their first win.  BTW, if I'm looking for a head coach I'm giving Buffalo coach Lance Leipold a pretty long look.  His record in Division 3 was nearly perfect, and Buffalo has the look of a consistent winner (which is something, for Buffalo).  When Illinois cans Lovie after next season he would be a pretty solid hire.

7:30, Frisco Bowl, Utah State v. Kent State, ESPN2

Well well, Badge's favorite head coach ever, Gary Anderson, gets the Friday night football spot in Frisco, Texas.  His quarterback, Jordan Love, is being talked about as a potential first round pick, so that's interesting.  Also, he was recently cited for marijuana possession, which always makes me wonder if Utah is just a state full of narcs.  Kent State rattled off three wins at the end of the season to clinch a bowl berth.  Still, they only held one team below 20 points all season, and that was worst in FBS football Akron, so don't expect a defensive battle.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 20, 2019, 10:46:23 AM
I had no idea there was a bowl game played in Frisco named the Frisco Bowl.  

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 20, 2019, 11:10:50 AM
Repost for posterity


2 pm, Bahamas Bowl, Buffalo v. Charlotte, ESPN

If I had unlimited time and money, I would probably go to the Bahamas to watch this game.  Not really based on anything of the teams, but because it seems pretty weird and cool to watch a game in the Bahamas.  In any event, Charlotte has only had football for five years, and Buffalo is making their fourth bowl appearance, and both are are looking for their first win.  BTW, if I'm looking for a head coach I'm giving Buffalo coach Lance Leipold a pretty long look.  His record in Division 3 was nearly perfect, and Buffalo has the look of a consistent winner (which is something, for Buffalo).  When Illinois cans Lovie after next season he would be a pretty solid hire.


Not to mention the weirdness of the Bahamas Bowl being sponsored by an office park outside of Chicago
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 20, 2019, 11:19:55 AM
Not to mention the weirdness of the Bahamas Bowl being sponsored by an office park outside of Chicago
Yes!  I forgot to mention that but I assumed Makers Wanted was a bourbon brand before I read about it
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 20, 2019, 11:38:33 AM
Ha, a Makers' Mark bowl would be fun.  Makes me think of this:


The 1912 Bacardi Bowl was scheduled as a two-game series in Havana featuring the Florida Gators (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1912_Florida_Gators_football_team) against squads from two different Cuban athletic clubs.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacardi_Bowl#cite_note-english8272006-5) It was Florida's first experience with postseason football.
The first game was held on Christmas Day, and the Gators defeated the Vedado Athletic Club 28–0.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacardi_Bowl#cite_note-UFmedia-3) The second game, which pitted the Gators against the Cuban Athletic Club of Havana a few days later, was never finished. Florida head coach George E. Pyle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_E._Pyle) realized during the first quarter that the game was being officiated using college football's pre-1906 rules (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_history_of_American_football), and while discussing this issue with the officials, he discovered that the head referee was the former coach of his opponent.[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacardi_Bowl#cite_note-vault-6) Feeling that playing under those conditions was neither fair nor safe, Pyle pulled his team off the field and was promptly arrested for violating a Cuban law prohibiting a game's suspension after spectators' money had been collected.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacardi_Bowl#cite_note-7) A trial was scheduled and Pyle was released on bail that evening, at which point he and the Gators quickly boarded a steamship for Tampa, an escape which caused the coach to be branded a "fugitive from justice" by Cuban authorities.


Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 20, 2019, 11:57:08 AM
Ha, a Makers' Mark bowl would be fun.  Makes me think of this:


The 1912 Bacardi Bowl was scheduled as a two-game series in Havana featuring the Florida Gators (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1912_Florida_Gators_football_team) against squads from two different Cuban athletic clubs.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacardi_Bowl#cite_note-english8272006-5) It was Florida's first experience with postseason football.
The first game was held on Christmas Day, and the Gators defeated the Vedado Athletic Club 28–0.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacardi_Bowl#cite_note-UFmedia-3) The second game, which pitted the Gators against the Cuban Athletic Club of Havana a few days later, was never finished. Florida head coach George E. Pyle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_E._Pyle) realized during the first quarter that the game was being officiated using college football's pre-1906 rules (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_history_of_American_football), and while discussing this issue with the officials, he discovered that the head referee was the former coach of his opponent.[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacardi_Bowl#cite_note-vault-6) Feeling that playing under those conditions was neither fair nor safe, Pyle pulled his team off the field and was promptly arrested for violating a Cuban law prohibiting a game's suspension after spectators' money had been collected.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacardi_Bowl#cite_note-7) A trial was scheduled and Pyle was released on bail that evening, at which point he and the Gators quickly boarded a steamship for Tampa, an escape which caused the coach to be branded a "fugitive from justice" by Cuban authorities.



Not to mention the swag baskets would be pretty stellar as well
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 20, 2019, 01:06:47 PM
We should compile a compendium (heh) of odd bowls.  The Oil Bowl might make the list somewhere.  The Bacardi bowl story will be tough to top though.

https://www.bannersociety.com/2019/8/14/20707001/bowl-games-names (https://www.bannersociety.com/2019/8/14/20707001/bowl-games-names)

The Dawgs' first bowl game was the Orange Bowl in 1942 (following the 1941 season, vs TCU).  I recall the Rose Bowl that year was played in Durham, NC, I think.



Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 20, 2019, 01:10:21 PM
1. The Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl (2017-) in Tampa
The St. Pete Bowl (now in Tampa) is the god of incredible names. If the entire top five of this list was nothing but St. Pete Bowl names, no one could complain.
This one is so good that it was hard to believe it was real, despite one of the best bowl reporters, a Tampa veteran, breaking the news. He had to circle back and announce on Twitter that he was not kidding.

2. Makers Wanted Bahamas Bowl (2018-)
Textually alone, that’s not a silly name. It’s the context, though (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/12/20/18140969/makers-wanted-bahamas-bowl-elk-grove-village-chicago-what-why-sponsor).
Quote
Makers Wanted isn’t a fly by night internet company. It isn’t a shady bank or a fried chicken franchise.
It’s a town 1,320 miles away from the Bahamas. Elk Grove Village, a Chicago suburb out by the airport, hopes to drum up business for its industrial park.
So I drove to Elk Grove to investigate. Surely there’s something tropical there that I’ve missed, which would help connect the sponsor and the bowl.
The weather had warmed up in Chicago, which meant it was in the high 30s with a drizzle, just enough to make you uncomfortable, but not enough to thaw out the snowbanks or conjure the Caribbean.





3. Poulan Weed Eater Independence Bowl (1991-97) in Shreveport
For decades, this was the go-to example when listing off consolation-prize games or complaining about there being too many bowls (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/6/14/17455798/are-there-too-many-bowl-games). Saying “the Poulan Weed Eater Bowl” only happens when you’re making fun of bowl season.
This name became so synonymous with embarrassing bowl trips that, 19 years after it’d changed, then-Houston head coach Tom Herman summoned it to mock rival SMU.
Quote
If you're satisfied with going 7-5 and going to the Poulan Weed Eater Bowl, then great. Then you're in the wrong program and we'll find a place for you to go. I hear there's a private school up in Dallas that's really looking to try to get to seven wins.
(Herman then lost an upset to that private school, proving the mere mention of the Poulan Weed Eater Bowl is cursed behavior.)
Topping the legendary Poulan Weed Eater Bowl was something I never thought I’d see. This was the 47-game Oklahoma win streak of terrible bowl names, and yet, see #1.



Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 20, 2019, 01:12:25 PM
New Mexico Bowl has no sponsor, after it was determined the "company" didn't exist, and was just an LLC set up by some guy who is tens of thousands of dollars of credit card debt
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 20, 2019, 01:59:46 PM
Saturday Part 1

2 pm, Internet Scammers Deluxe New Mexico Bowl, Central Michigan v. San Diego State, ESPN

As ELA pointed out, this was the DreamHouse Productions New Mexico Bowl, but after investigation it does not appear that this company actually exists, has any productions, and is really just some dude.  Which raises the question as to whether we on this board could pool like 300 bucks together and sponsor a bowl.  In any event, Jim McElwain has been a real shark this year after getting obliterated by Wisconsin, and nearly won the MAC after CMU went 1-11 last year.  The game is in Albuquerque, which is an underrated spot.  My dad and I went there a few years ago for the Hot Air Balloon festival, which was pretty cool. Ordering nachos at a restaurant in Albuquerque results in a pile of chips larger than a mid-sized baby.  Also, about half the population are transplants who sell turquoise jewelry.  In final, SDSU is 4th in scoring defense and 119th in scoring offense - expect a good snooze.

2:30, FBC Mortgage Cure Bowl, Liberty v. Georgia Southern, CBSSN

Ah, the Cure Bowl, which puts its purpose front and center, to end breast cancer.  My internet googling of their finances was actually quite encouraging, as I only found one employee getting a relatively modest 75K salary while everyone else volunteered (at least in 2017).  They claim all funds raised are donated to the Breast Cancer Research Foundation.  This year they will host Hugh Freeze and Liberty University.  Hugh came to Liberty via Ole Miss, where he was fired among various NCAA issues and his repeated dialing of a female escort service.  Georgia Southern runs a lot of option football, so if you are in the mood for a bit of that tune in.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 20, 2019, 02:14:55 PM
I'll throw in $300 to sponsor a bowl game

could likely double my money with help form all youse smart guys here
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 20, 2019, 02:32:29 PM
I'll throw in $300 to sponsor a bowl game

could likely double my money with help form all youse smart guys here
I mean we could form a nonprofit that exists to help at risks youths in the areas of athletic history and Big Ten lore.  You can be the director, and we'll also have a CEO, CFO, executive director, president, vice president, and treasurer.  Salaries for everyone.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 20, 2019, 02:43:34 PM
I'll throw in $300 to sponsor a bowl game
The Runza-Sharkwater Bowl?Something to eat and drink while watching the game.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 20, 2019, 02:43:54 PM
Tonight I think that the blue Aggies will mow down the Silver Foxes.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 20, 2019, 02:48:22 PM
The Runza-Sharkwater Bowl?Something to eat and drink while watching the game.
The Chili Bean Bowl
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 20, 2019, 03:05:05 PM
Not to mention the weirdness of the Bahamas Bowl being sponsored by an office park outside of Chicago
There was a lot of uproar when Elk Grove did this last year, but they apparently drew 11 new businesses to their huge CenTex industrial park as a result of the sponsorship. I did the site plans for two of the new buildings. So now the taxpayers are happy to do it. Me too.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 20, 2019, 03:22:23 PM
All Buffalo in the Bahamas so far
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Abba on December 20, 2019, 03:55:52 PM
The Chili Bean Bowl
I like it.  We can run political ads during the bowl about how chili without beans just isn't chili.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 20, 2019, 04:07:41 PM
I like it.  We can run political ads during the bowl about how chili without beans just isn't chili. 
Can we include ads for why camping out in the passing lane on the highway should be punishable by death?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 20, 2019, 04:12:32 PM
Can we include ads for why camping out in the passing lane on the highway should be punishable by death?
Isn't there a bowl called something like the "Camping out in the Left Lane Bowl" in Orlando?

Fortunately, this rarely is a problem around here.  I often find myself in the right most lane of a 6-7 lane freeway unless someone ahead if merging driving about 80 mph and having folks almost too close behind me trying to go faster.  Traffic here on the freeways either goes 90 mph or 2 mph.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 20, 2019, 04:15:00 PM
Isn't there a bowl called something like the "Camping out in the Left Lane Bowl" in Orlando?

Fortunately, this rarely is a problem around here.  I often find myself in the right most lane of a 6-7 lane freeway unless someone ahead if merging driving about 80 mph and having folks almost too close behind me trying to go faster.  Traffic here on the freeways either goes 90 mph or 2 mph.
It's actually rarely a problem here either. Usually traffic is going so slowly that you could legitimately pitch a tent and it wouldn't affect much.

For me, I don't get stabby until I have to drive north on I-5 through the Central Valley in CA. One of these days I'm going to have an aneurysm on that stretch of road. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 20, 2019, 04:20:23 PM
Can we include ads for why camping out in the passing lane on the highway should be punishable by death?
By having Runza and Sharkwater?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Abba on December 20, 2019, 04:36:00 PM
Charlotte hanging in there, now down 24-9 with 11 minutes left on the clock.  2 score game.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on December 20, 2019, 08:45:34 PM
Topping the legendary Poulan Weed Eater Bowl was something I never thought I’d see. This was the 47-game Oklahoma win streak of terrible bowl names, and yet, see #1.
:57:

Nice comparison.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 21, 2019, 12:08:26 AM
Tonight I think that the blue Aggies will mow down the Silver Foxes.
Nope
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 21, 2019, 09:28:26 AM
Nice to see Kent State get their first ever bowl win, and to get it under former Badger Sean Lewis is even better. Even mo better is that they beat Gerrie Andersen's USU team.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on December 21, 2019, 09:41:29 AM
Nice to see Kent State get their first ever bowl win, and to get it under former Badger Sean Lewis is even better. Even mo better is that they beat Gerrie Andersen's USU team.
He was an underclassman on the roster my freshman year. Christ that makes me feel old.

It's too bad he stylistically couldn't be a future UW coach. Thankfully we got Jimmy for that. UW's coaching mafia from that era is getting a big deep.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 21, 2019, 01:04:01 PM
Saturday Part Deux

3:30, Cheribundi Boca Raton Bowl, SMU v. FAU, ABC

In contrast to the Cure Bowl, the Boca Raton bowl makes no bones.  Usually the bowl games have a mission section where they will cure cancer and help at risk youths.  The Boca Roton Bowl's mission is more or less to put on a bowl game.  It's sponsored by cheribundi, which I've never heard of but is apparently a tart cherry juice that helps you sleep.  I'm telling you, we could sponsor a bowl game.  Anyways, the game could be fun.  Both teams can throw the long ball and don't believe in a lot of defense, so we should get some points on the board.  Lane Kiffin is gone for FAU and Willie Taggart is coming, but neither will coach today.  Too bad.  

5:30, Camellia Bowl, FIU v. Arkansas State, ESPN

Another "ESPN Event," the Camellia Bowl is special in that Camellia is not in fact the name of an auto body shop or special plum juice, but is just the name of a the state flower of Alabama.  That's almost quaint.  Maybe this is the one - the Chili Bean Camellia Bowl presented by ELA.  Fellas, we can do this.  Anyway, FIU went 3-5 in Conference USA but beat the Miami Hurricanes to become bowl eligible.  They play a little defense, though Arkansas State loves to throw.  Also, OSU-Kentucky play at this same time in basketball if you want something good to watch.

7:30, Mitsubishi Motors Las Vegas Bowl, Washington v. Boise State, ABC

Well how about this.  Two very good teams - Washington was 17th in SP+, and Boise went 12-1.  Chris Petersen's last game, against his old squad.  And a sponsor I've actually heard of.  Though, does anyone actually drive a Mitsubishi?  Trying to think and I've never owned one and not sure I've even been inside one.  Maybe I'll have a change of heart after watching this bowl game.  

9 pm, R+L Carriers New Orleans Bowl, Appalachian State v. UAB, ESPN

Michigan fans will be tuning in to this one, as their old rivals square off against defensively strong UAB.  New Orleans is an absolute great place to go for a bowl game.   When I watched OSU gets stomped by LSU in 2008, we had a great time until the second quarter of the game.  There's nothing like hitting the bar, grabbing a beer, then just walking out the bar into the street.  Then you go to a football game.  Then you get drunk after watching your team lose.  So awesome.  Also, Appy State has lost two head coaches in two years.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 21, 2019, 02:18:27 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMUtvfSXkAEi2oD?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 21, 2019, 04:04:07 PM
Ballsy move by SMU to put Hayden Fry patches on their jerseys after firing him for being unwilling to cheat.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 21, 2019, 04:15:48 PM
Blast from the past! Watching this New Mexico Bowl between San Diego St & Central Michigan and the Chipps’ OC is...Charlie Frye?!?! Hadn’t heard that name in years. Now if only someone could let me know how Charlie Batch is doing.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 21, 2019, 04:32:37 PM
Blast from the past! Watching this New Mexico Bowl between San Diego St & Central Michigan and the Chipps’ OC is...Charlie Frye?!?! Hadn’t heard that name in years. Now if only someone could let me know how Charlie Batch is doing.


Batch currently works for KDKA-TV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDKA-TV) in Pittsburgh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh) as a pre-game analyst for the Steelers as well as a color commentator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_commentator) for their preseason (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_preseason) games. Batch also works with Champs Sports Network as a color analyst for WPIAL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Pennsylvania_Interscholastic_Athletic_League) high school football and basketball broadcasts.

-wiki
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 21, 2019, 04:38:17 PM

Batch currently works for KDKA-TV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDKA-TV) in Pittsburgh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh) as a pre-game analyst for the Steelers as well as a color commentator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_commentator) for their preseason (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_preseason) games. Batch also works with Champs Sports Network as a color analyst for WPIAL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Pennsylvania_Interscholastic_Athletic_League) high school football and basketball broadcasts.

-wiki

He's involved with a bunch of charities in and around Pittsburgh as well. He pops up all the time
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 21, 2019, 10:26:03 PM
That was a VERY questionable call against UAB.  Handed Appy State 7 points.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 21, 2019, 11:35:27 PM
I'll throw in $300 to sponsor a bowl game

could likely double my money with help form all youse smart guys here
Apparently, sponsoring a bowl must be a "Producers"-type situation, because no one needs to watch or attend for them to keep springing up.  Someone's making money without much of a football game occurring.


The Cure Bowl is a lovely idea and all, but it looks bad when it's so obscure that there's only a few people in the stands....looks like no one is wanting that cure for cancer.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 22, 2019, 08:35:52 AM
Ballsy move by SMU to put Hayden Fry patches on their jerseys after firing him for being unwilling to cheat.
Freshen my memory I don'yt remember that
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 23, 2019, 07:23:40 AM
Monday

2:30 PM, Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl, UCF v. Marshall, ESPN

The Gasparilla Bowl is named after the pirate Jose Gaspar, who didn't actually exist.  This bowl game does exist, even if no one actually watches it.  A big mismatch on paper, as UCF is 14th in SP+ and Marshall is 69th, and the line is UCF -17.5.  However, this is Marshall's fourth Gasparilla Bowl and they are undefeated in the other three.  Beware the dread pirate Doc Holliday.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 23, 2019, 10:48:20 AM
Freshen my memory I don'yt remember that
The rumor was always that SMU boosters wanted to start a slush fund to get back to the top of the SWC, and Fry wouldn't play ball, so they forced him out for a coach who would.  Led to the Pony Express...and the death penalty.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 23, 2019, 10:49:32 AM
Apparently, sponsoring a bowl must be a "Producers"-type situation, because no one needs to watch or attend for them to keep springing up.  Someone's making money without much of a football game occurring.


The Cure Bowl is a lovely idea and all, but it looks bad when it's so obscure that there's only a few people in the stands....looks like no one is wanting that cure for cancer. 
Doesn't ESPN own a good deal of the newer ones?  They couldn't care less who shows up, it still gets better ratings than OTL or a PTI rerun or whatever.

That said, I don't know why they don't put them all in their facilities in Orlando.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 23, 2019, 11:53:13 AM
The rumor was always that SMU boosters wanted to start a slush fund to get back to the top of the SWC, and Fry wouldn't play ball, so they forced him out for a coach who would.  Led to the Pony Express...and the death penalty.
Didn't Fry come flat out and say it was true?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on December 23, 2019, 01:34:03 PM
From the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge:


Quote
Tenure at SMU and North Texas State
The SMU Mustangs were members of the Southwest Conference at the time. Fry won the conference coach of the year award in his first season. In 1963, SMU opened the season with a 27–16 loss to a Michigan team coached by Bump Elliott, Fry's future boss at Iowa. SMU lost to Oregon in the 1963 Sun Bowl, 21–14. After the season, Fry was also appointed as SMU's athletic director.

When Fry took the job at SMU, he was promised that he would be allowed to recruit black athletes. Fry and the school wanted to make certain that the player they recruited was not only a good athlete but also a good student and citizen and someone with the mental toughness to be one of the first black players in conference history. Fry found that player in Jerry LeVias. LeVias was a great player, an exceptional student, and mentally tough. He had never had discipline problems and was deeply religious. LeVias was the perfect player for SMU.

Jerry LeVias had many other scholarship offers to good integrated schools, but he chose to attend SMU. LeVias became the first black player signed to a football scholarship in the Southwest Conference. In 1966, LeVias made his debut, one week after John Hill Westbrook of Baylor became the first black player to play for a conference team.[6] Fry received abuse for recruiting a black player to SMU in the form of hate mail and threatening phone calls, but he downplayed the treatment, because the harassment of LeVias was much, much worse.

SMU had an 8–2 record in 1966 and won its first Southwest Conference title in 18 years.[7][8] LeVias was named to the all-conference team and handled the racial incidents well. SMU lost in the Cotton Bowl Classic to Georgia but finished the year ranked #10 in the nation.[7] SMU had a down year in 1967, but LeVias was again an all-conference selection.

In 1968, SMU went 7–3 and defeated Oklahoma in the Astro-Bluebonnet Bowl. LeVias was selected as an all-conference player as a senior for the third time. Fry's Mustangs then had just a 12–20 record over the next three years from 1969–1971. That put Fry's job in jeopardy, and rumors started to swirl after Fry's Mustangs started the 1972 season at 4–4. Not even a three-game winning streak could save Fry. After a 7–4 season in 1972, Fry was fired at SMU, which robbed the Mustangs of a bowl berth.

Hayden Fry compiled a 49–66–1 record in 11 seasons at SMU, including the school's only three winning seasons since the late 1940s. In Fry's autobiography, Fry stated that he believed his firing was related to several boosters' desire to start a slush fund to pay players and recruits. SMU was the second-smallest school in the Southwest Conference, and had found it difficult to compete over the last two decades against schools double its size or more. When he refused to go along with the plan, Fry said, the boosters pressured the school's new president to fire him. As it turned out, SMU would be hit with NCAA sanctions five times after Fry's departure before having its program completely shut down for the 1987 season due to a massive litany of misconduct. Most of the violations were related to the slush fund Fry had opposed several years earlier.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 23, 2019, 03:02:27 PM
Marshall turning it over isn't going to help them any, lol.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 23, 2019, 03:31:31 PM
Marshall turning it over isn't going to help them any, lol.
Nope. Not good to be -4 in TO margin only 10 seconds into the 2nd quarter...
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 24, 2019, 07:08:51 AM
Tuesday

8 pm, SoFi Hawai'i Bowl, Hawai'i v. BYU, ESPN

The problem with a bowl game like this is that if I were in Hawai'i  on Christmas Eve, I probably wouldn't want to be at this game.  But I won't be in Hawai'i, and probably still won't watch this game, but if you are looking for something fun to watch you could do worse than Hawai'i's run and shoot offense which has turned the ball over more than any other in the country.  BYU has been no slouch either, averaging over 500 yards a game in November.  If you are drinking a glass of egg nog and wrapping presents, might be worth tuning in.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 24, 2019, 10:23:59 AM
I'll be watching

Bowl of Oyster stew, grilled cheese sammich, and a good drink
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 24, 2019, 10:53:38 AM
Hawaii Bowl tonight.

Rainbow Warriors hosting BYU.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 24, 2019, 11:18:25 AM
I'll be watching

Bowl of Oyster stew, grilled cheese sammich, and a good drink


This is always a good “background noise Bowl” if I’m master of the remote. But this year I’m Christmas-ing with a house full of youngins’ who’ll want Grinch, Elf, or Home Alone blaring.

As far as football, Hawaii and BYU have a deeply rooted rivalry etched in LDS and Pacific Islander folk.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 24, 2019, 11:27:29 AM
I'll be home alone after church

Daughters will be at their Grandmothers, won't be back until after midnight when visions of sugar plums are dancing in my head during a long winter nap.

if the announcers for the game annoy me, I'll turn up the Christmas music.  The vintage old school stuff
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 24, 2019, 11:55:23 AM
Tuesday

8 pm, SoFi Hawai'i Bowl, Hawai'i v. BYU, ESPN

The problem with a bowl game like this is that if I were in Hawai'i  on Christmas Eve, I probably wouldn't want to be at this game.  But I won't be in Hawai'i, and probably still won't watch this game, but if you are looking for something fun to watch you could do worse than Hawai'i's run and shoot offense which has turned the ball over more than any other in the country.  BYU has been no slouch either, averaging over 500 yards a game in November.  If you are drinking a glass of egg nog and wrapping presents, might be worth tuning in.
Sure you would. Because this game isn't played at 8:00 PM in Hawaii. It's played at 2:00 PM. You could go to the game and still have a full evening of Christmas Eve revelry ahead of you.

This is the one time that an 8:00 PM ET kickoff doesn't work for me on the West Coast... 5:00 PM will be right after our guests come tonight, and they'll probably be around until ~9ish when the game is over. 

Oh well. I'm eating filet tonight, so whatever lol...
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 24, 2019, 12:00:53 PM
But this year I’m Christmas-omg with a house full of youngins’ who’ll want Grinch, Elf, or Home Alone blaring.
They'll get A Christmas Story and like it!!!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 24, 2019, 12:49:53 PM
Sure you would. Because this game isn't played at 8:00 PM in Hawaii. It's played at 2:00 PM. You could go to the game and still have a full evening of Christmas Eve revelry ahead of you.

This is the one time that an 8:00 PM ET kickoff doesn't work for me on the West Coast... 5:00 PM will be right after our guests come tonight, and they'll probably be around until ~9ish when the game is over.

Oh well. I'm eating filet tonight, so whatever lol...
Lol oh I'm aware. The problem is at 2 pm in Hawaii it's 81 degrees and you're in Hawaii, where everything is more beautiful than BYU football. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 24, 2019, 01:06:47 PM
The wife is urging me to set us up to be in Hawaii next Christmas, so, let it be written, let it be done.

I've been in Hawaii when it was 27°F and with 45 mph gusting winds and was freezing my A off despite the parka and gloves.  Might have to do that again.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 24, 2019, 01:45:04 PM
The wife is urging me to set us up to be in Hawaii next Christmas, so, let it be written, let it be done.

I've been in Hawaii when it was 27°F and with 45 mph gusting winds and was freezing my A off despite the parka and gloves.  Might have to do that again.


Most importantly, will you two be attending the Hawaii Bowl?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 24, 2019, 01:49:04 PM
Were you at the top of a mountain?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 24, 2019, 01:52:39 PM
Most importantly, will you two be attending the Hawaii Bowl?
Yeah let's put this to the test
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 24, 2019, 02:40:39 PM
Were you at the top of a mountain?
I have the same question. Sunrise at the top of Haleakala (on Maui) was right about freezing, even in late May. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 24, 2019, 02:42:15 PM
My biggest issue with attending the Hawaii bowl is that it's in Honolulu. I'd rather be on any other island than Oahu. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 24, 2019, 03:06:30 PM
We were on top of Mauna Kea in December.  There was a good bit of snow lying around, but it was clear when we were there, as it usually is at that altitude.

The sunsets there are incredible.  The view of the Heavens with the unaided eye is one of the most spectacular things I've ever seen, but it is really cold, and about an hour previous to that it was 80°F.

The standard cooling rate is 4.5°F per thousand feet.  The summit is nearly 14,000 feet.  You can drive to the 9,000 foot point on a paved road, but after that it's gravel and rather treacherous.  They could have a bowl game right there in the photo between Florida and Miami.

(https://i.imgur.com/sGTv8j3.jpg)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 24, 2019, 03:07:22 PM
Were you at the top of a mountain?
Heh, we used a photo of the two of us on Christmas cards that year, hello from Hawaii.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 24, 2019, 03:22:05 PM
I want to hike Mauna Kea before I'm too old. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 24, 2019, 03:46:58 PM
http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/info/vis/visiting-mauna-kea/hiking.html (http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/info/vis/visiting-mauna-kea/hiking.html)

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 25, 2019, 12:23:18 AM
Hawaii Bowl was entertaining
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: longhorn320 on December 25, 2019, 01:03:10 AM
Hawaii Bowl was entertaining
It reminded me of a Texas game where nobody has any defense
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 25, 2019, 07:48:14 AM
was a timely defensive play with the pick to end it

but, yes, Hawaii Junior QB with career passing yardage game
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 26, 2019, 08:07:32 AM
Thursday

4 pm, ESPN
Walk-on's Independence Bowl
Louisiana Tech v. Miami, Fla.

Little is better than watching the U lose games, and we get another opportunity today.  It would be an upset - Miami is 26th by SP+ and Tech is 67th, but Miami managed to lose to FIU (99th) and Duke (66th) in their last two games, so we got a hot.  Also, Miami still doesn't know who their QB is.  I say put in Tate Martell.  Let the man play.  All of the great transfer QB's this year and Miami keeps theirs on the bench.  Also it's sponsored by what appears to be the Louisiana version of Champps.  Maybe I'll make a po'boy for dinner tonight.  They are underrated as something you can make at home, but it ain't hard.  Fry some cod or shrimp, mix up a bit of mayo with hot sauce, and add topping as desired (I like slaw).  Hardest part is usually finding good bread for them. 

8 pm, ESPN
Quick Lane Bowl
Pitt v. Eastern Michigan

Come up to Detroit for a bowl game, they said.  The Quick Lane Bowl is exactly what it appears to be, which is a commercial for Quick Lane.  Even their bowl website does away with all the missions and good deeds and gets right to business selling you tires.  Pitt somes in ranked 56th in SP+, compared to a heart 101 for EMU. My secretary at work is a big Pitt fan, so I'll be pull them tonight (or not and I can razz him tomorrow).  Not sure what Detroit cuisine is.  Detroit style pizza?  Jets says their pizza is Detroit style, so maybe I'll have a slice to honor them if I don't feel like frying fish.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 26, 2019, 08:17:18 AM
What exactly is "Quick Lane"?  I'm guessing gas station.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 26, 2019, 09:18:10 AM
What exactly is "Quick Lane"?  I'm guessing gas station.
Apparently some sort of tire place though I'm not familiar with them
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 26, 2019, 09:32:02 AM
They change oil & rotate tires,top off  & check fluids conveniently.Like 1/2 hr oil changes
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 26, 2019, 10:07:17 AM
like Jiffy Lube, only quicker
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 26, 2019, 12:12:12 PM
Big bowl game tonight between my Dad's alma mater and my law school alma mater, that neither of us care beyond me having a lot of confidence points on Pitt.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 26, 2019, 12:14:09 PM
Last day before Big Ten games.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 26, 2019, 12:16:43 PM
like Jiffy Lube, only quicker
Huh, I guess they don't have them around here or in Cincy.  Chick-Fil-A of course once was a rather localized restaurant also.  They used to be primarily in shopping malls, which were these large shopping areas back a century ago or so.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 26, 2019, 12:32:15 PM
we still have the Chick fil A in the old covered mall and the new one with the driveup on the edge of the mall parking lot less than 1,000 feet away
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 26, 2019, 12:33:46 PM
When did the Fiesta Bowl become "major"?  I know the Peach was with the CFP thing.  It had been a pretty good lesser bowl game in general.

The Gator once was a decent bowl, best after the Big Four, and then the Cap One took that slot, and I suppose still has it.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 26, 2019, 12:35:22 PM
Huh, I guess they don't have them around here or in Cincy.  Chick-Fil-A of course once was a rather localized restaurant also.  They used to be primarily in shopping malls, which were these large shopping areas back a century ago or so.
Yeah, when they first sponsored the Peach Bowl, I had never heard of it.  I pronounced it with a short A, until my North Carolina family corrected me.

Ive still never seen a Belk
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 26, 2019, 12:41:27 PM
Belks are pretty rare these days, mall only I think.  When I was a kid they were a pretty major department store in the south, nothing special, Rich's here in the ATL was unique and different but Federated subsumed them.  We also had Davidson's, which I think is gone.  Cincy had Shilto's for a while.

Sears and JC Penny were pretty prevalent back in the day.  There is a huge Sears "store" here built in the late 1920s that was THE Sears when we moved here in 1964.

It's now an interesting mixed shopping center.  Of course, with malls dying right and left, this one is about 3 years old and often packed with people, it's a fad, perhaps one that may last.  The area near it is exploding with development, mostly new apartment buildings.  We walk there when the weather is nice.

https://poncecitymarket.com/ (https://poncecitymarket.com/)

(https://i.imgur.com/1RPt9aO.jpg)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 26, 2019, 12:45:20 PM
we still have the Chick fil A in the old covered mall and the new one with the driveup on the edge of the mall parking lot less than 1,000 feet away
Same here
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 26, 2019, 12:46:51 PM
I still pronounce chick fil a with a short a

just to bother folks

I don't understand the facination - the sammich isn't that good

I haven't been to one of them since the 80s in the covered mall that was built about 1980.  My junior year of high school.  Not sure when the chick fila appeared in the food court.  Wasn't impressed then.  Haven't ever been to the new one. It's been there about 10 years.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 26, 2019, 12:57:05 PM
The main thing about CFA is the level of service more than the quality of the food items, IMHO.  The wife really likes them.

Fried chicken is kind of a new thing for her though, she used to go to KFC before I made her quit.

AS a kid, it was a big deal when Dad would bring home a bucket of chicken, but I recall my mom didn't like the chicken very much.  She cooked her own.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Abba on December 26, 2019, 01:03:49 PM

I still pronounce chick fil a with a short a

just to bother folks
I just think of "Hi, I'm Bob Villa".  And then pronounce it like that.  Chick Filla.

The sandwiches are good though for a fast food restaurant.  I missed out on the brief Popeye's craze, but to me it is the best fast food chicken sandwich I've had.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 26, 2019, 01:08:47 PM
At Chick Fil a you don't have to worry about getting jumped in the parking lot.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 26, 2019, 01:20:34 PM
Big bowl game tonight between my Dad's alma mater and my law school alma mater, that neither of us care beyond me having a lot of confidence points on Pitt.


Pitt once again cannot get out of their own way. Falling to Detroit’s Bowl Vs possibly the least talented team playing in this season’s bowl lineup is all on Pitt. This is the second straight year Narduzzi has obtained a November Top 25 ranking only to go into the tank and put his extension in question, this year closing out the season with a 28-0 loss to Virginia Tech and an inexcusable loss to Boston College after a 7-3 beginning. A 9-4 record would’ve bought Narduzzi some much needed goodwill. Least Narduzzia can close this year out with his first bowl win in four tries.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 26, 2019, 01:32:33 PM
At Chick Fil a you don't have to worry about getting jumped in the parking lot.
who doesn't like a little "jump" in the parking lot?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 26, 2019, 03:40:34 PM
Who makes the best sandwiches among the national chains?

For me, not Subway, too much bread.  JJ's is usually decent.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 26, 2019, 03:46:12 PM
Who makes the best sandwiches among the national chains?

For me, not Subway, too much bread.  JJ's is usually decent.
Not sure if they still exist but back in the day i liked Schlotskys
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Abba on December 26, 2019, 03:47:03 PM
JJ's is acceptable now that you can purchase ranch on the side.  Jersey Mike's is pretty good, though I'm not sure if that one is regional or national.  None of these blow me away or have me craving them, but are decent for a quick meal.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 26, 2019, 03:54:31 PM
We often stop on vacation when I expect to be near a park for lunch.  It's an easy "picnic".

The wife makes pretty good samiches anyway.  She often uses guacamole in place of mayo and adds some hallapeenyoes.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 26, 2019, 03:55:43 PM
Blimpie? Quiznos?

Which is the one that calls the subs torpedoes?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 26, 2019, 04:02:36 PM
Torpedoes back in the day were just floating mines, as in "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" in Mobile Bay.

Rifling really changed the tactics of warfare.

The bowl games are about to get rather more interesting.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 26, 2019, 04:05:21 PM
Oh yeah, WG Grinders. Hands down.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 26, 2019, 04:07:15 PM
Oh yeah, WG Grinders. Hands down.
Don't know them at all.  There was a philly cheesesteak place in Cincy that was decent, was a chain maybe midwest.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 26, 2019, 04:08:25 PM
I like DiBellas, I think that's regional though

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 26, 2019, 04:17:55 PM
Don't know them at all.  There was a philly cheesesteak place in Cincy that was decent, was a chain maybe midwest.
Penn Station?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 26, 2019, 04:18:33 PM
https://locations.earlofsandwichusa.com/us/ga/atlanta/3500-peachtree-rd-ne (https://locations.earlofsandwichusa.com/us/ga/atlanta/3500-peachtree-rd-ne)

Never been there.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 26, 2019, 04:18:57 PM
Tom Petty Damned the Torpedoes back in 79

good stuff for a high school dance
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 26, 2019, 05:06:29 PM
This is a great idea, a bowl game played entirely by walk ons, no scholarship athletes can play.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 26, 2019, 05:47:49 PM
Hurricanes perpetuating crimes against football
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 26, 2019, 05:56:50 PM
I can't despise Miami any more.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 26, 2019, 06:51:21 PM
Remember when Dan Enos created a bidding war between Alabama and Michigan?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 26, 2019, 06:54:11 PM
I can still easily despise the Canes
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 26, 2019, 06:55:37 PM
Miami even being in a bowl tells you everything you need to know about how bad the ACC was this year.  Clemson's SOS should be like Boise State's from back in the day.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 26, 2019, 07:08:12 PM
Miami could use more walk-ons
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 26, 2019, 07:16:23 PM
I can still easily despise the Canes
Waste of good emotional angst that could be applied to say Notre Dame.

Meh, not even them.  Clemson.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 26, 2019, 07:28:19 PM
Mark Richt could have done that.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 26, 2019, 07:49:34 PM
and now for Pitt of the ACC
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Riffraft on December 26, 2019, 08:08:08 PM
Penn Station?
Love Penn station wish we had them out here
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 26, 2019, 08:15:51 PM
I can still easily despise the Canes
Absolutely.  They're behind only OU and A&M on my hate-o-meter.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 26, 2019, 08:31:31 PM
and now for Pitt of the ACC


Pitt crapping face right now
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 26, 2019, 08:48:18 PM
ACC! ACC! ACC!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 26, 2019, 08:55:34 PM
Not sure if they still exist but back in the day i liked Schlotskys
Still around, here and there across the country but not in every state.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 26, 2019, 09:13:57 PM
Mark Richt could have done that.
Yeah, I told my buddy who is a Big Cane Fan CMR was NOT their answer.  Deprived of the well of talent that UGA gets annually, CMR is a mediocre coach.

I'm interested in seeing UNC play tomorrow at noon, a bit.  They will be my adopted team for 2020.  

Do folks here mostly support EMU in such games?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 26, 2019, 09:16:37 PM


Do folks here mostly support EMU in such games?
I support anyone playing Pitt. :93:  Even if I do have 40 confidence points on them.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 26, 2019, 09:20:14 PM
Yeah, I told my buddy who is a Big Cane Fan CMR was NOT their answer.  Deprived of the well of talent that UGA gets annually, CMR is a mediocre coach.

I'm interested in seeing UNC play tomorrow at noon, a bit.  They will be my adopted team for 2020. 

Do folks here mostly support EMU in such games?
I loved Richt to the Canes.  He was in a talent rich area and, to me, he had already proven he could recruit in a talent rich area.  I didn’t necessarily think he’d return them to the dominance of the 80s but I thought he’d have Miami consistently back in the top 10-15.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 26, 2019, 09:21:49 PM
I don't typically pull for the Michigan Mac teams unless of course they are going up against the Wolverines, but I generally like to see the Mac teams collect P5 scalps in most other instances.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 26, 2019, 09:31:45 PM
Still around, here and there across the country but not in every state.
They started here in Austin, TX and they're common around the state.  I definitely find them more interesting than most chain sandwich places.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 26, 2019, 09:36:00 PM
I came to believe Richt was very over rated as a coach.  He could recruit, and that was about it.  And the recruiting may have been more due to his assistants.  He's a very nice guy, I wish him well, but he's not, in my judgment, a more than mediocre as a coach.

I'm a tough sell though as I'm starting to wonder if Kirby is a good coach.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 26, 2019, 09:41:57 PM
Wow, first time a team has ever been shut out in Shreveport history (44 years)!!!  And against LA Tech!!!  
Fun fact:  both teams set the same Independence Bowl record in this game:  most punts (9 ea).
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 26, 2019, 09:52:42 PM
I came to believe Richt was very over rated as a coach.  He could recruit, and that was about it.  And the recruiting may have been more due to his assistants.  He's a very nice guy, I wish him well, but he's not, in my judgment, a more than mediocre as a coach.

I'm a tough sell though as I'm starting to wonder if Kirby is a good coach.
Yeah, I’d argue that’s a pretty sharp curve to grade them on.  The only Richt didn’t do at Georgia was win the NC and that is really the only thing Smart hasn’t done either.  But I guess if I were a UGA fan and that had been my experience for years then at some point you just want to take that next step and win it all because “almost” begins to be a burden and not hopeful.

Yeah, basically 98% of fans of other teams would love to trade places with you but your focus is on that other 2% because your team is so close but can’t quite close the deal.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 26, 2019, 10:04:11 PM
Penn State's transfer portal WR Shorter was in Gainesville.  That's interesting.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 26, 2019, 10:10:21 PM
Ugh, bad look for the EMU kid spitting on the Pitt player.  Rightfully ejected.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 26, 2019, 10:11:06 PM
Are EMU assistants working in the pits or garage?  Did Quick Lane bribe them to wear those?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 26, 2019, 10:12:17 PM
My "curve" is based on not getting clearly out coached except rarely, and not getting mysteriously upset by very inferior teams.  Richt obviously had problems beating Florida which was one issue, his teams lost twice to Tech at home, there was just these mysterious and predictable let down games, like losing to mediocre Tennessee badly and South Carolina with perhaps his most talented team.  These are not things that happen to Saban or Meyer coached teams.

One thing about Dooley was his teams very rarely were upset, and they occasionally pulled off a major upset.  They were tough teams, in the main, and usually not all that talented.  Since about 2002, UGA has had talent to burn and weird seasons, like this one.  They did have some decent wins but they almost looked bad winning them.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on December 26, 2019, 11:47:03 PM
My "curve" is based on not getting clearly out coached except rarely, and not getting mysteriously upset by very inferior teams.  Richt obviously had problems beating Florida which was one issue, his teams lost twice to Tech at home, there was just these mysterious and predictable let down games, like losing to mediocre Tennessee badly and South Carolina with perhaps his most talented team.  These are not things that happen to Saban or Meyer coached teams.


Ehhh, you’ll have a pretty short list of good coaches. And as long as the understanding is you will by nature be mostly unsatisfied by everyone, that’s AOK.

Richt’s issue isn’t that he’s compared to two of the best all time here. And you know what, through the right lens, Urbs took some tough upsets that derailed chasing bigger things. Richt’s Miami tenure was interesting because he was better than expectations twice, one dud and done.

I think he was a 90th percentile coach, but in a place that badly wants a 99th to fulfill its goals.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 26, 2019, 11:59:02 PM
Wacky ending to the quick lane bowl. I wonder if it'll be revealed what the Pitt player said to Glass. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 27, 2019, 01:02:42 AM
Doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on December 27, 2019, 02:25:21 AM
Doesn't matter.
What doesn’t matter?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 27, 2019, 06:56:41 AM
Friday Part 1

Noon, ESPN
Military Bowl Presented by Northrop Grumman
North Carolina v. Temple

Nothing says fun like a bowl sponsored by a defense contractor.  Also, wow, does the ACC have some horrendous bowl tie-ins or what?  I guess it matches their horrendous teams.  In any event, Mack Brown has brought North Carolina back to mediocrity.  Temple avoided the Manny Diaz bullet and turned in a pretty good season. SP says this is pretty even with NC at 39 and Temple at 43.

3:20 p,. ESPN
New Era Pinstripe Bowl
Michigan State v. Wake Forest

Finally, some Big Ten action to wake up the senses. Nothing gets the pulse going like some Sparty offense. Usually you get a chance for snow in this New York based game, but some unseasonably warm temps across the north of the country (I slept with my windows open last night) means it's just another game. I always liked Dave Clawson and figured he could show something at a better school, but Wake does have a decently fun offense to watch, and it's always fun to see Sparty turn both teams into empty bean cans. Dantonio forever.

6:45 pm, ESPN
Academy Sports + Outdoors Texas Bowl
Oklahoma State v. Texas A&M

A couple halfway decent teams match up here.  The Aggies have been mostly uncompetitive against good teams and beat bad teams mostly in a walk (except for Arkansas).  So now they face off against a a decent team in Okie State and the Mullets.  I haven't gotten to see Chuba Hubbard all season, so I hope to get an eyeball on this game.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 27, 2019, 07:17:56 AM
Part Deux

8 pm, FS1
San Diego County Credit Union Holiday Bowl
USC v. Iowa

Hell yes shoot some Kirk Ferentz right into my veins.  USC's Air Raid against Iowa's Tampa 2.  The excitement makes me want to go to San Diego and get a bank account at the San Diego County Credit Union. BTW, does San Diego really need a bowl game to help with tourism?  It's not going to be any warmer in San Diego today than in Columbus.  If I went out there, I'd want my money back.  Anyways, go Hawkeyes.

10:15, ESPN
Cheez-It Bowl
Air Force v. Washington State

A tradition like no other, the Cheez-It Bowl actually features some fun teams.  Wazzu against leads the nation in passing, and Air Force is 3rd in rushing.  The Air Raid v. option look would be fun to watch - too bad I'll be long asleep by the middle of the first quarter.  Still, I think we have some Cheez-It snack packs around here somewhere for the kids lunches - I'll snag on of those.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 27, 2019, 07:57:45 AM
I went to bed and missed the boxing match last night.  Why would a person try and throw a punch at a guy wearing a lot of hardened plastic around his face and head?

Anger.  A UGA player grabbed another guy's face mask and threw him into the wall in the end zone, I thought that was at least somewhat creative.  You are more likely to break your hand throwing a punch than doing damage to a face, unless you know what you're doing.

Maybe I should start "hating" EMU now.  Meh.  I understand these kids are hypercompetitive, and very young (by my standards), which does not absolve them of stupidity, but does explain how it can happen.  Basketball seems to have almost ended this stuff with some severe penalties.  In football, if a player wants to injure another player, throwing a punch isn't it.  (A QB has much less of a chance of injuring a defensive player of course.)

I do wonder how often a defensive player gets mad and plays "dirty" with the intent to injure an opponent.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 27, 2019, 08:33:51 AM
My "curve" is based on not getting clearly out coached except rarely, and not getting mysteriously upset by very inferior teams.  Richt obviously had problems beating Florida which was one issue, his teams lost twice to Tech at home, there was just these mysterious and predictable let down games, like losing to mediocre Tennessee badly and South Carolina with perhaps his most talented team.  These are not things that happen to Saban or Meyer coached teams.

One thing about Dooley was his teams very rarely were upset, and they occasionally pulled off a major upset.  They were tough teams, in the main, and usually not all that talented.  Since about 2002, UGA has had talent to burn and weird seasons, like this one.  They did have some decent wins but they almost looked bad winning them.


Yeah, but I think bringing up Saban and Meyer strengthens my point about how the harsh curve.  I also think Dooley may be getting somewhat of a pass from you.  Richt actually has a better winning percentage at UGA than Dooley.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 27, 2019, 08:43:17 AM
Watch the tape of the EMU kid “hitting” the ref.  The ref took a dive.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 27, 2019, 09:43:34 AM
Anyone else notice that Eastern Michigan’s coaching staff dressed like Auto Mechanics last night:

https://twitter.com/timmydhue/status/1210417724381421568

Edit: adding another tweet to capture yesterday: 

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1210581713430175749
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2019, 09:44:33 AM
Watch the tape of the EMU kid “hitting” the ref.  The ref took a dive.
Should have gotten a flopping penalty.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 27, 2019, 10:05:34 AM
Yeah, but I think bringing up Saban and Meyer strengthens my point about how the harsh curve.  I also think Dooley may be getting somewhat of a pass from you.  Richt actually has a better winning percentage at UGA than Dooley.

For me, it's about playing to your potential consistently.  Dooley never had teams putting 5-6-7 players into the draft each year, in 2018 three in the first round.  UGA talentwise compares pretty well with anyone.  So, why aren't they more consistent?  How can they lose at home to South Carolina?  IMHO, they get out coached. Circa 1975, that wasn't the case.

Kinda funny, Fran Tarkenton was a third round pick in the draft.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2019, 11:09:35 AM
best 3rd rounder of all-time

well up to that point
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 27, 2019, 11:48:15 AM
For me, it's about playing to your potential consistently.  Dooley never had teams putting 5-6-7 players into the draft each year, in 2018 three in the first round.  UGA talentwise compares pretty well with anyone.  So, why aren't they more consistent?  How can they lose at home to South Carolina?  IMHO, they get out coached. Circa 1975, that wasn't the case.

Kinda funny, Fran Tarkenton was a third round pick in the draft.
When you start talking about playing to your potential that becomes REEEAAAALLLLYY subjective.  And there are different ways to measure that.  There were 6 times in Dooley’s career at UGA that he had a team ranked in the preseason that went on to finish unranked.  That only happened 3 times during Richt’s run.

I also think Richt may be suffering from a recency bias.  His shortcomings are still fresh in your mind.  Dooley’s aren’t.  Time has a way of smoothing out the rough edges.   And I don’t think it can be overstated that Dooley did the one thing Richt didn’t, win a NC.  A lot of flaws can be overlooked because of what happened in 1980.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 27, 2019, 11:57:00 AM
That isn't my point.  I don't think Dooley was in fact some great coach.  I DO think he has his team motivated to PLAY nearly every game.  They rarely lost to an inferior team and they often could give fits to far more talented teams.  Dooley's reputation benefits as a result of this AND the fact he inherited a program that was really down.  Richt and Smart did not.  Their bar is higher, it's not sufficient to "continue" with some top ten finishes in the polls.  For me, it's more about how the team plays the game and whether they appear to come out flat too often and unmotivated.

Richt had very talented teams that would lose a game they never should have lost, or two.  Yes, upsets happen, but they should be rare.

(Dooley's 1969 team was said by him to be his most talented but they had a rash of key injuries and simply faded after being ranked.)

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 27, 2019, 12:25:06 PM
Anyway, pulling for Mack Brown's North Carolina orange slices and cookie platters today.  Dig in, Heels.  Or whatever they say.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 27, 2019, 12:29:01 PM
That isn't my point.  I don't think Dooley was in fact some great coach.  I DO think he has his team motivated to PLAY nearly every game.  They rarely lost to an inferior team and they often could give fits to far more talented teams.  Dooley's reputation benefits as a result of this AND the fact he inherited a program that was really down.  Richt and Smart did not.  Their bar is higher, it's not sufficient to "continue" with some top ten finishes in the polls.  For me, it's more about how the team plays the game and whether they appear to come out flat too often and unmotivated.

Richt had very talented teams that would lose a game they never should have lost, or two.  Yes, upsets happen, but they should be rare.

(Dooley's 1969 team was said by him to be his most talented but they had a rash of key injuries and simply faded after being ranked.)


Fair enough.  Again, the comments about being motivated to play are really subjective and have probably been softened by time.  My guess is with some digging the claim about rarely losing to an inferior team could really be put to the test, too.

More than anything it just appears you had higher expectations for Richt and Smart than you did for Dooley and preconceived expectations will definitely shape an opinion.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2019, 12:29:48 PM
The Miami Hurricanes fired offensive coordinator Dan Enos on Friday, one day after being shut out in historic fashion by Louisiana Tech in the Walk-On's Independence Bowl.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 27, 2019, 12:33:17 PM
The Miami Hurricanes fired offensive coordinator Dan Enos on Friday, one day after being shut out in historic fashion by Louisiana Tech in the Walk-On's Independence Bowl.

Who knew back on August 31st that a 45-14 drubbing of Louisiana Tech would be Texas' best win of the entire season?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2019, 12:44:03 PM
that's a lot of points to put on that La Tech defense!

GO BIG 12
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 27, 2019, 12:49:32 PM
I was in Miami for the Orange Bowl the last time Miami was shut out in a bowl.   That nasty Arizona desert swarm did the deed in the Fiesta Bowl.  29-0.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 27, 2019, 12:54:58 PM
Why are certain fans bundled up in Fort Worth?  It is 64 degrees. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2019, 01:00:11 PM
that's golfing in shorts weather

I'll be near Fort Worth in Flower Mound 10 days from now playing the Tour 18 course
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 27, 2019, 01:04:49 PM
Why are certain fans bundled up in Fort Worth?  It is 64 degrees.
Supposed to be a high of 63 in Pasadena next Wednesday, and you'll probably see quite the dichotomy.

Locals bundled up like it's winter, while the traveling Wisconsin fans are in t-shirts and shorts. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 27, 2019, 01:10:40 PM
Supposed to be a high of 63 in Pasadena next Wednesday, and you'll probably see quite the dichotomy.

Locals bundled up like it's winter, while the traveling Wisconsin fans are in t-shirts and shorts.
I expect that from so cal pansies.  ;)
Tough guys from North Texas?  Or perhaps it was the Carolinians.   
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 27, 2019, 01:15:13 PM
62 is downright frosty down here in Texico.  You better believe the parkas and gore-tex are coming out. :)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2019, 01:20:41 PM
I have Gore-tex for rain

perhaps that means something different in Tex

mabye related to Al Gore
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 27, 2019, 01:23:40 PM
One of my favorite bowl memories is Wisconsin playing Miami in ORLANDO a few years back.  It was "unseasonably cold", like 38°F or something.  The Badgers were in short sleeves and the Canes did NOT want to be out in that arctic weather.  It was hilarious.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 27, 2019, 01:25:38 PM
So, this UNC QB is impressive, in this game, mobile, agile, and hostile.  They could be a pretty good team next year methinks.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2019, 01:28:24 PM
hah, did y'all see the UNC DT flop on the LOS with an imaginary injury to stop the play?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 27, 2019, 01:34:39 PM
I missed that one, it seems to be a "trend", we even now have referees flopping after a fake punch.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Abba on December 27, 2019, 02:19:28 PM
Woof, I did not see this beatdown from UNC coming.  Guess we'll get some new Dancing Mack videos after this one.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2019, 02:41:26 PM
well, Temple may have had a very good year, but it's still Temple
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 27, 2019, 02:53:37 PM
hah, did y'all see the UNC DT flop on the LOS with an imaginary injury to stop the play?
They've been taking notes from LSUnited!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2019, 03:21:17 PM
Obviously, NOT coached by MAck
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 27, 2019, 03:26:46 PM
UNC clearly is terrific and is going to challenge Clemson next year.  Well, probably not, but they could be interesting, and I already claimed them.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 27, 2019, 03:30:18 PM
UNC makes the ACC look less terrible

now for ACC vs Big Ten!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 27, 2019, 03:31:16 PM
Pitt and UNC won.  The ACC is BACK!!!!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 27, 2019, 03:32:34 PM
Wake with a quick score on MSU.

THE ACC IS ROLLING, BABY!!!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on December 27, 2019, 03:52:26 PM
For me, it's about playing to your potential consistently.  Dooley never had teams putting 5-6-7 players into the draft each year, in 2018 three in the first round.  UGA talentwise compares pretty well with anyone.  So, why aren't they more consistent?  How can they lose at home to South Carolina?  IMHO, they get out coached. Circa 1975, that wasn't the case.

Kinda funny, Fran Tarkenton was a third round pick in the draft.
For fun, his 1975 team missed and SEC title because it lost to a 6-5 Ole Miss team that ranked 107th in the country in scoring.

Looking over, his teams had their share of trip ups. They had the four-year run without one, plus a few years with a no bad loss 9-3x
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on December 27, 2019, 03:55:41 PM
UNC clearly is terrific and is going to challenge Clemson next year.  Well, probably not, but they could be interesting, and I already claimed them.
They’re talented this year and adding more. 

Would not be surprised to see a jump, but not the big one folks will want and an eventual settling at good, but maybe leaving you wanting. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 27, 2019, 04:03:53 PM
For fun, his 1975 team missed and SEC title because it lost to a 6-5 Ole Miss team that ranked 107th in the country in scoring.

Looking over, his teams had their share of trip ups. They had the four-year run without one, plus a few years with a no bad loss 9-3x
I went digging and 19 times during Dooley’s time at UGA he had a ranked team that lost to an unranked opponent.  That only happened 8 times during Richt’s tenure.  Time changes how we remember things, especially if you already sort of liked one guy and not the other.

I saw this a lot during Dana’s time at WVU.  He took heavy fire from our fanbase because Nehlen or Rod’s teams “always” did this or “never” did that when, in fact, they had most of the same trip ups Dana had.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 27, 2019, 05:18:24 PM
Is Sparty gonna WAKE up?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 27, 2019, 05:18:29 PM
Well, at least this is more entertaining than the Redbox Bowl last year
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 27, 2019, 05:19:12 PM
Well, at least this is more entertaining than the Redbox Bowl last year
I'm pullin for ya, AAA!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 27, 2019, 06:14:16 PM
Illinois Game Pt II.  Back to back red zone turnovers.

Outgained them 183-58 this half. Just 7-0 to show for it.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 27, 2019, 06:24:02 PM
Well, at least this is more entertaining than the Redbox Bowl last year


Thoroughly entertained by the game in the Bronx; and what better way to kill a quiet Friday in the dead of the year. What WAKE’s QB lacks in accuracy is almost made up for in lethality when he let’s it rip. Really impressive deep ball.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 27, 2019, 06:37:02 PM
Michigan St.  Jesus.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 27, 2019, 06:38:41 PM
Geez
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 27, 2019, 06:39:03 PM
Illinois Game Pt II.  Back to back red zone turnovers.

Outgained them 183-58 this half. Just 7-0 to show for it.
Make it three straight red zone trips, zero points to show for it.  We don't deserve to win this at this point.  263-90 in yardage now.  7-0
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 27, 2019, 06:39:32 PM
That’s a fumble.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 27, 2019, 07:09:58 PM
Okie State totally overmatched on their first drive then go 97 yards in the second drive
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 27, 2019, 07:19:04 PM
If you haven’t seen any of Chuba Hubbard he is really good.  He’s one of those backs who always gets more than what the play is blocked for. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 27, 2019, 07:34:15 PM
A&M's safety play has been putrid.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 27, 2019, 07:51:16 PM
If you haven’t seen any of Chuba Hubbard he is really good.  He’s one of those backs who always gets more than what the play is blocked for.
He leads the NCAA in rushing and he's  looked as good as anybody this season.  Not bad for a Canadian. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 27, 2019, 08:03:37 PM
This feels and looks like an Alamo Bowl
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 27, 2019, 08:14:15 PM
Gundy must be getting conservative in his old age. Passes up a 4th and 1 to try a 49 yard FG?  He had some really curious, conservative decisions against WVU this year too.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 27, 2019, 08:28:08 PM
This feels and looks like an Alamo Bowl
I thought it was until I noticed the lighting was too good to be the Alamo Bowl.   That and the midfield logo and yard font.    What ever happened to Builders Square.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 27, 2019, 08:38:24 PM
I thought it was until I noticed the lighting was too good to be the Alamo Bowl.  That and the midfield logo and yard font.    What ever happened to Builders Square. 
Just to show what has happened to the second tier bowls, I recall a New years Eve at my great aunt's house in the early 90s, where everyone worked together to verify that she had ESPN so we could watch the Alamo Bowl, before agreeing to spend New Year's Eve there.  and it wasn't that anyone had a vested interest in the game, I want to say it was Iowa vs Washington State?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 27, 2019, 09:15:42 PM
Replay incompetence strikes again
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Hawkinole on December 27, 2019, 09:45:56 PM
There have been about 3-calls that went against Iowa, including the replay incompetence. The other big one was the one that called Rogaini covered up in the slot when he clearly wasn't. A lot of holding on the interior of USC's offensive line. It will be interesting to see how well USC's offensive line holds up in the 2nd half.

Generally a well-played game by both teams. Iowa up 28-17 at half. Stanley still has time to be inconsistent but in the first half he wasn't.

Stanley: 11/12 130 yards and 1-TD in the first half. Quite a line for him.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 27, 2019, 10:46:26 PM
I love the Pirate but I love 19 play 97 yd 13 min drives that let clock expire to end qtr more
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Hawkinole on December 27, 2019, 10:55:52 PM
Matt Fink backup QB for USC is having a rough go of things, so far.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 27, 2019, 11:02:50 PM
Is Fink playing action here?  He made no effort on that ball
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Hawkinole on December 27, 2019, 11:18:24 PM
USC came out charging in the 2nd half, and then Slovis is hurt. Matt Fink comes in, and looks like a deer in the headlights; he looked as if he wasn't expecting to play, and not prepared to do so. But, at the same time the USC offensive line seems to have to be collapsing under the weight and pressure of Iowa's defense. Iowa hasn't given up more than 24-points in a game all season, and it appears that might hold here, too.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 07:01:51 AM
SATURDAY

Noon, ESPN
Goodyear Cotton Bowl Classic
Penn State v. Memphis

Some coaching upheaval for both teams, as Memphis lost their head coach and PSU is in between offensive coordinators.  They will be warmed by playing at JerryWorld and the nonprofit Cotton Bowl Foundation, which used to give a few cents to "underserved" youth but as far as I can tell did away with that to better serve their employees.  For example, in 2018 their president, Ohio alum Rick Baker, made a $461,377 salary, and that wasn't quite enough to put on one game, so he also got a $834,800 bonus for his efforts.  Don't worry that he was overworked, though, as he also had a CFO making $500K and several other employees making six digit salaries.  To put on one game! Go Lions.

Noon, ABC
Camping World Bowl
Notre Dame v. Iowa State

Matt Campbell keeps getting mentioned for other jobs, yet here he is still at ISU, now playing ND in a bowl game.  Two good teams (ND 19th in SP+ and ISU was 23rd) that should make for an entertaining afternoon.  ISU was a little unlucky this year with a 2 point loss to Baylor and 1 point losses to Iowa and Oklahoma.  ND canned its offensive coordinator and hasn't hired a new one, so who knows what the offense will look like.  Probably more yelling from Brian Kelly and erratic QB play.

4 pm, ESPN
Chik-Fil-A Peach Bowl
Oklahoma v. LSU

I am going on record that the Sooners will make a game out of this one.  People are acting as if they have no shot at all.  But LSU has transitioned into a glorified Big 12 team, and Oklahoma is very comfortable playing a Big 12 game.  Boomer Sooner

8 pm, ESPN
Playstation Fiesta Bowl
Clemson v Ohio State

Welp
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2019, 07:39:01 AM
Yeah, I agree Oklahoma has a real shot in a shoot out, but LSU seems used to that as well.  We all know Heisman winners often don't play well in the following game, but Burreaux is the real deal I think.  It's crazy that 3 of the 4 QBs starting are transfers.

I'd guess something like LSU 48  OU 41. 

Clemson-OSU is close obviously, though I thought most of the year that OSU is the most complete team.  Fields' injury is a concern.  I'm going to give an edge to the Tigers in this one 31-27.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2019, 07:55:25 AM
There have been about 3-calls that went against Iowa, including the replay incompetence. The other big one was the one that called Rogaini covered up in the slot when he clearly wasn't. A lot of holding on the interior of USC's offensive line. It will be interesting to see how well USC's offensive line holds up in the 2nd half.

Generally a well-played game by both teams. Iowa up 28-17 at half. Stanley still has time to be inconsistent but in the first half he wasn't.

Stanley: 11/12 130 yards and 1-TD in the first half. Quite a line for him.
There were also some non-calls. Where were those officials from? MWC (PAC-LITE)??

Anyway, it was really fun to watch Iowa impose their will, and wreck Buch's and Leinart's night at the same time.

The only thing that wrecked watching was Gus and Klatt. Mrs. 847 kept on bugging me to turn up the volume so she could hear better. Then I finally did. Soon after, she said she wouldn't mind if I went back to my preferred volume.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 28, 2019, 07:57:43 AM
Loving the B1G's 2-0 start. I hope we see 4-0 today on our way to 10-0!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2019, 07:59:07 AM
Loving the B1G's 2-0 start. I hope we see 4-0 today on our way to 10-0!
Michigan is in a bowl game, correct?

:73:
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 28, 2019, 08:56:11 AM
Clemson-OSU is close obviously, though I thought most of the year that OSU is the most complete team.  Fields' injury is a concern.  I'm going to give an edge to the Tigers in this one 31-27.
This has me on edge,when tOSU played Clemson in 2014 they were banged up.Noah Spence team leader in sacks was suspended and Roby (1st rd to Broncos)sat out.Both Ryan Shazier and Braton Miller played hurt.Just want a clear clean shot at Dabo
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 28, 2019, 09:00:17 AM
I'd like to see another one of those Big Ten bowl seasons where everyone wins except for the Wolverines.

So a ten win ND team got stuck playing 7-5 ISU? :great:
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 28, 2019, 09:21:30 AM
I'd like to see another one of those Big Ten bowl seasons where everyone wins except for the Wolverines.

So a ten win ND team got stuck playing 7-5 ISU? :great:
I've always pulled for conference in Bowl Games
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 10:14:05 AM
I've always pulled for conference in Bowl Games
Same.

Granted my oldest has decided he's an OSU fan because "his favorite color is red, and they always win."  That's sound logic to me.  Either way, he really wanted an OSU sweatshirt, so we got him one for Christmas.  He voluntarily went to bed early last night so he could wear it today and stay up late to watch the Fiesta Bowl tonight.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 10:24:52 AM
Same.

Granted my oldest has decided he's an OSU fan because "his favorite color is red, and they always win."  That's sound logic to me.  Either way, he really wanted an OSU sweatshirt, so we got him one for Christmas.  He voluntarily went to bed early last night so he could wear it today and stay up late to watch the Fiesta Bowl tonight.
You're raising that kid right
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 28, 2019, 11:03:25 AM
Same.

Granted my oldest has decided he's an OSU fan because "his favorite color is red, and they always win."  That's sound logic to me.  Either way, he really wanted an OSU sweatshirt, so we got him one for Christmas.  He voluntarily went to bed early last night so he could wear it today and stay up late to watch the Fiesta Bowl tonight.
I had a very high opinion of you before ELA.  But you have now reached “ halo” status..
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 28, 2019, 11:14:37 AM
Same.

Granted my oldest has decided he's an OSU fan because "his favorite color is red, and they always win."  That's sound logic to me.  Either way, he really wanted an OSU sweatshirt, so we got him one for Christmas.  He voluntarily went to bed early last night so he could wear it today and stay up late to watch the Fiesta Bowl tonight.
Well I hope your oldest gets a late Christmas gift
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2019, 11:44:22 AM
I'd fire the kid.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 28, 2019, 11:45:52 AM
I'd fire the kid.
Exactly my thoughts! :)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 28, 2019, 11:55:48 AM
BASTAGES
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 28, 2019, 12:15:53 PM
My in laws called my bluff and got me an Earlham College Quakers Football shirt, so I'm wearing that today.   
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2019, 12:20:06 PM
Nice run for PSU.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 12:20:43 PM
Whew what a run by Journey Brown
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2019, 12:22:37 PM
We walked out for breakfast and I saw maybe 50 LSU fans and about ten OU fans in gear.  I was a bit surprised they are this far north.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Abba on December 28, 2019, 12:24:06 PM
Whew what a run by Journey Brown
The only problem with him emerging as a good RB is the announcers can't resist cheesy puns. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 28, 2019, 12:26:50 PM
i don't have any idea who Earlham is, but I like it!

For some reason, our longtime stadium announcer and local legend in Austin, Wally Pryor, would always slip in the Slippery Rock score, while reading off other college football scores from around the country during a Longhorn home game.  I had no idea who Slippery Rock was until I looked it up years later, but it was always funny to hear him listing off other SWC school scores, and then a Michigan score or an OU score, and then hear... "30 second remaining in the 3rd quarter, Slippery Rock 13, Towson 9"

To this day, you can find Slippery Rock apparel in the UT campus bookstore.  I have a hat.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 28, 2019, 12:38:33 PM
Earlham College is in Richmond, IN on the Ohio border.  It's a Quaker school, my in laws are alum and they canceled football for 2019.  They may revisit football again...
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 28, 2019, 12:48:29 PM
Earlham College is in Richmond, IN on the Ohio border.  It's a Quaker school, my in laws are alum and they canceled football for 2019.  They may revisit football again...
Sounds like they'd get on Baylor's schedule pretty quickly!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 01:14:46 PM
Penn State giving that safety PTSD
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 01:27:12 PM
Show of hands - who's wanting this Memphis team to be the 8 seed playing LSU in an expanded playoff?  Anyone?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 01:27:53 PM
i don't have any idea who Earlham is, but I like it!

For some reason, our longtime stadium announcer and local legend in Austin, Wally Pryor, would always slip in the Slippery Rock score, while reading off other college football scores from around the country during a Longhorn home game.  I had no idea who Slippery Rock was until I looked it up years later, but it was always funny to hear him listing off other SWC school scores, and then a Michigan score or an OU score, and then hear... "30 second remaining in the 3rd quarter, Slippery Rock 13, Towson 9"

To this day, you can find Slippery Rock apparel in the UT campus bookstore.  I have a hat.
Same with Michigan's PA announcer.  Slippery Rock wound up playing a game in Michigan Stadium a few years ago because of it.  It's about an hour and a half north of Pittsburgh.  My sister in law is an alum, and my wife's cousin played there.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 01:29:40 PM
Show of hands - who's wanting this Memphis team to be the 8 seed playing LSU in an expanded playoff?  Anyone?
This Memphis team or the Memphis team prior to their coach quitting on them prior to a meaningless bowl game?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 01:33:06 PM
This Memphis team or the Memphis team prior to their coach quitting on them prior to a meaningless bowl game?
Wait a minute, I've been assured by others here that teams don't lack motivation in these games, no matter the situation!  So I'm confused...
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 01:36:42 PM
Wait a minute, I've been assured by others here that teams don't lack motivation in these games, no matter the situation!  So I'm confused...
There's a difference between lacking motivation, and having your head coach straight up quit on you.  You know, not be there.  If you are there, lace em up, no excuses.

And for the record, if LSU pounded this Memphis team in a meaningful game, good on LSU for earning that #1 seed and getting that right
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2019, 02:05:07 PM
i don't have any idea who Earlham is, but I like it!

For some reason, our longtime stadium announcer and local legend in Austin, Wally Pryor, would always slip in the Slippery Rock score, while reading off other college football scores from around the country during a Longhorn home game.  I had no idea who Slippery Rock was until I looked it up years later, but it was always funny to hear him listing off other SWC school scores, and then a Michigan score or an OU score, and then hear... "30 second remaining in the 3rd quarter, Slippery Rock 13, Towson 9"

To this day, you can find Slippery Rock apparel in the UT campus bookstore.  I have a hat.
Slippery Rock was also featured by Chicago legend Ray Rayner. 



(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WYpME34FPcA/XTeh8ikFVCI/AAAAAAACp9E/XGOahhF8vqE-a-8Bug25ZTXhcVn6tW9xACLcBGAs/s1600/Ray%2Bad.jpg)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 28, 2019, 02:36:09 PM
I've only seen a little bit of this game, but why is PSU even bothering to throw?

From what I have seen PSU's running plays have been unstoppable but they are having trouble with the pass rush when they try to throw. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2019, 02:39:14 PM
Yeah, PSU should just run up the gut 2 plays out of 3.  Memphis looks legit to me.  Even if they lose, they should be ranked higher, around 12th or so  IMHO.  15th maybe.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 02:45:59 PM
Yeah, PSU should just run up the gut 2 plays out of 3.  Memphis looks legit to me.  Even if they lose, they should be ranked higher, around 12th or so  IMHO.  15th maybe.
Not 8th?  For being the tallest midget?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2019, 02:50:13 PM
They are playing #10 pretty tough.  I'd say they are better than 17th, but 15th or so if they lose this game.  They have some holes on D obviously.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 02:57:49 PM
I've only seen a little bit of this game, but why is PSU even bothering to throw?

From what I have seen PSU's running plays have been unstoppable but they are having trouble with the pass rush when they try to throw.
Welp, until they need one yard
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 02:59:43 PM
This game is bananas
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 28, 2019, 03:00:29 PM
Yeah, PSU should just run up the gut 2 plays out of 3.
I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic but from what I have seen it should be 3 out of 3. 

PSU running plays this half (reverse chronological):
Passing plays:

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2019, 03:05:08 PM
Well, I meant they could try running wide the other time, not passing.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 28, 2019, 03:09:23 PM
Not 8th?  For being the tallest midget?
LoL. I get it and I agree with you a lot more than not on this issue. My view is that Memphis is roughly equal with Cincy (they beat them by 10 and by 5, both at home). Ohio State destroyed Cincy. That is the gap between the top of G5 and the top of P5, it is humongous. 

That said, @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) is right. Some of this is political. The G5 would get a spot because of the fear or threat of legal (anti-trust) or legislative (Congress) intervention. 

Thus, IMHO, a slot for the highest ranked G5 Champion is inevitable and there is no reason to argue about whether or not they "should" get a spot because they ARE going to get it for legal/political reasons regardless of whether or not they should and regardless of what we or even the P5 Commissioners think about it.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 28, 2019, 03:16:21 PM
Welp, until they need one yard
True, but note that the 4th and 1 was set up by an incomplete pass on 2nd and 7 and a six yard pass on 3rd and 7.

Journey Brown has 10 Carrie's for 171 yards (17.1 avg). Even if you exclude his 56 yard long he has 9 for 115 (12.8 avg). Give that man the rock!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 03:17:21 PM
Wisconsin basketball might hold Tennessee to fewer points than either of these teams are going to score
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 28, 2019, 03:21:54 PM
Wisconsin basketball might hold Tennessee to fewer points than either of these teams are going to score
I just commented on that game in the BB thread. A very impressive performance by the Badgers!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 28, 2019, 03:24:06 PM
I feel a lot better now that this is a two possession game  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 28, 2019, 03:36:30 PM
I appreciate these teams nodding to the locale by XII-ing in the Big XII Mecca.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: TyphonInc on December 28, 2019, 03:41:13 PM
and that 1st down should seal it. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 28, 2019, 03:48:55 PM
I appreciate these teams nodding to the locale by XII-ing in the Big XII Mecca.
It ain't twelving, we call it SECing now.  Alabama did it twice just this year alone.  They've assumed the mantle.  Congrats!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2019, 04:10:14 PM
Ya know, I've been thinking about nobody giving OU much of a chance here. But, this is a team that has been in these games, and they have a certain QB that knows a little bit about them too.

I think OU can win.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 28, 2019, 04:12:46 PM
If Hurts avoids turnovers, I agree. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 04:13:32 PM
Anyone saying OU can't win is an idiot.
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What's the over/under on points scored by the losing team in LSU-OU?  42?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 28, 2019, 04:15:13 PM
I'll take that under.  I'd set it at 31.5.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2019, 04:15:21 PM
I think the Sooners cover the spread, could win

Sooner defense is not terrible
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 28, 2019, 04:18:49 PM
Wondering how many Bowl games have played in 3 stadiums, besides the Peach.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 04:19:14 PM
OU went from the 
It ain't twelving, we call it SECing now.  Alabama did it twice just this year alone.  They've assumed the mantle.  Congrats!
OU went from being 101st in scoring defense last year to 48th this year.  Let's not get a big head, now.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 28, 2019, 04:27:11 PM
It ain't twelving, we call it SECing now.  Alabama did it twice just this year alone.  They've assumed the mantle.  Congrats!

I want “twelving it” to stay for good after this OU LSU game. Oklahoma 3 n Out followed by bad punt and Sooner defense not containing any of LSU’s telegraphed plays.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 04:43:22 PM
Sooners respond
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 28, 2019, 04:58:04 PM
What?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 28, 2019, 04:59:07 PM
That's the type of BS Maryland sees in football every year from the officials. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 04:59:25 PM
Lol gonna be tough for Sooners if refs let that go
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 28, 2019, 05:00:47 PM
What? Lol
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Mdot21 on December 28, 2019, 05:01:55 PM
Lol gonna be tough for Sooners if refs let that go
Yeah no shit. Who is ref’ing this game? SEC refs? 

I’ve never seen a no call PI that egregious in a big game oh...ever. Hadelwoods was basically tackled by the LSU CB. 

And pretty sure this last play Marshall went out of bounds on his own wasn’t forced out. Should be an illegal touch. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 28, 2019, 05:04:13 PM
Awful no call; I’d be mad too if I were Lincoln Riley.

Follow that up with a fantastic sideline pass from Burrow, prompting the announcers to stupidly compare Burrow to Brady. Those two aren’t anything alike.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Mdot21 on December 28, 2019, 05:04:32 PM
No way in hell Oklahoma is winning this game. Can’t beat LSU and the refs.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 05:07:40 PM
Follow that up with a fantastic sideline pass from Burrow, prompting the announcers to stupidly compare Burrow to Brady. Those two aren’t anything alike.
Eh, they were both not wanted by their original fan base.  If the transfer portal had been there when Drew Henson arrived, we could have a very different narrative.

Imagine that Rose Bowl Stanford team with a legit QB
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2019, 05:10:16 PM
Burrow is pretty good

Sooners bumbling
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Mdot21 on December 28, 2019, 05:21:03 PM
Eh, they were both not wanted by their original fan base.  If the transfer portal had been there when Drew Henson arrived, we could have a very different narrative.

Imagine that Rose Bowl Stanford team with a legit QB
Brady was going to transfer after Griese was named the starter in ‘97. His father told him he can’t come back home to Cal, that he had to stick it out at Michigan.

Brady started every game in ‘98. He didn’t get messed with by Lloyd Carr and have to share time with Henson until ‘99. And even then it only last the first 6 or so games. After the MSU game where Brady nearly brought Michigan back in the 4th Quarter in East Lansing it was Brady’s job for good. Carr stopped that stupid 2 QB system after that.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Mdot21 on December 28, 2019, 05:25:04 PM
Welp that’s game. Oklahoma on pace to give up 70 to LSU. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2019, 05:25:56 PM
This ACC officiating crew is atrocious, even by today's standards.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 28, 2019, 05:27:12 PM
Maybe next year, the fourth time around by then,  “The Committee” will finally come around to realizing Oklahoma team isn’t worthy of the Playoffs. Undefeated or not.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2019, 05:29:14 PM
Is Burrow really as good as he's playing tonight?  He's making off balance throws into tight coverage and completing them.

I've never seen a QB pass this well at any level.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on December 28, 2019, 05:32:44 PM
Is Burrow really as good as he's playing tonight?  He's making off balance throws into tight coverage and completing them.

I've never seen a QB pass this well at any level.
Yes
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2019, 05:34:35 PM
Wow.  I had not seen that much of him this year before the CG obviously.  I guess UGA should be proud they held him to 37 or whatever they scored.

He is insane, and bound for the Bungles?  Can he stay at LSU another year?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 05:36:35 PM
We're all now rubber-necking at a car accident...
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on December 28, 2019, 05:36:50 PM
Wow.  I had not seen that much of him this year before the CG obviously.  I guess UGA should be proud they held him to 37 or whatever they scored.

He is insane, and bound for the Bungles?  Can he stay at LSU another year?
I don't believe so. I think this is his final year of eligibility. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 05:37:40 PM
Whew is Burrow dealing and his receivers are fighting. Not really even bad defense
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Mdot21 on December 28, 2019, 05:37:43 PM
Wow.  I had not seen that much of him this year before the CG obviously.  I guess UGA should be proud they held him to 37 or whatever they scored.

He is insane, and bound for the Bungles?  Can he stay at LSU another year?
The Bengals will screw up the draft and pick someone else. 

Burrow should pull an Eli Manning and refuse to play for them. I’d love to see Burrow on a team like the Titans or Broncos.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2019, 05:39:45 PM
We're all now rubber-necking at a car accident...
I thought OU would hang around and score a good bit about like Alabama did.  Hurts is way off his game, he needs to run more.

Burrow is scary good tonight, they could hang a hundred.    I don't know who else should have been 4th, maybe Memphis.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2019, 05:40:56 PM
ok, now I see why LSU jumped Ohio St. in the final poll
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 05:42:22 PM
Wow.  I had not seen that much of him this year before the CG obviously.  I guess UGA should be proud they held him to 37 or whatever they scored.

He is insane, and bound for the Bungles?  Can he stay at LSU another year?
I see Burrow/OC Brady as combining what is normally and either/or proposition:
in 99%+ of passing games,
a)  you have either a great passing QB who fits it into tight spots - this is mitigated by that QB being overconfident and feeling like he can fit it in there every time, which inevitably leads to INTs.....OR
b)  you have a great OC who designs pass plays with major mismatches and guys running wide open - which works, even with a limited QB
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This year's LSU passing game has both - it is both.  Burrow can fit it into tight spaces AND doesn't need to do so when he shouldn't, because the rest of the time, he's got mismatches to exploit or guys running open.
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That being said, Burrow isn't some surefire #1 savior QB.  Any NFL team hoping that his skill alone will be enough, I don't think it'll work out well.  He needs (and anyone would benefit from) a special passing-game OC.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2019, 05:42:39 PM
I doubt LSU would put up these numbers on Ohio State or Clemson, but I guess we'll find out.  Burrow is mobile and usually getting time to throw and throws on the move like crazy.  OSU might be able to break his composure a bit with Young?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2019, 05:43:45 PM
Yeah, if he ends up with the Bungles, I fear for his health.  Maybe someone can trade up and get him who is semi-competent.  Love to see him with the Falcons.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 05:44:06 PM
I thought OU would hang around and score a good bit about like Alabama did.  Hurts is way off his game, he needs to run more.

Burrow is scary good tonight, they could hang a hundred.    I don't know who else should have been 4th, maybe Memphis.
The surprise isn't that LSU is scoring, it's that OU isn't.  
Much like OU's defense improved this year from last, LSU's improved from the middle of the year to the end.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 05:46:07 PM
btw, 35 points doesn't necessarily win this game.  It should, but it probably won't.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2019, 05:49:55 PM
Yeah no shit. Who is ref’ing this game? SEC refs?

I’ve never seen a no call PI that egregious in a big game oh...ever. Hadelwoods was basically tackled by the LSU CB.

And pretty sure this last play Marshall went out of bounds on his own wasn’t forced out. Should be an illegal touch.
My wife, word for word, said the same thing.


I told her ACC refs. Same difference. Southern Pride and all that. Also very convenient of ESecPN's committee to place LSU at #1 over OSU, so LSU could play in SEC country, rather than play the black hole in PHX.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 05:51:11 PM
The surprise isn't that LSU is scoring, it's that OU isn't. 
Much like OU's defense improved this year from last, LSU's improved from the middle of the year to the end.
They've been impressive
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2019, 05:52:07 PM
The somehow missed PI call was as flagrant as they can possibly be.  And the missed the very obvious targeting call as well, the booth bailed them out.  I've also see egregious holding calls missed, not small ones, but grabbing jersey out in the open ones.

Much of the ACC is in the north, incidentally, but their refs are as bad as their teams.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2019, 05:54:51 PM
The somehow missed PI call was as flagrant as they can possibly be.  And the missed the very obvious targeting call as well, the booth bailed them out.  I've also see egregious holding calls missed, not small ones, but grabbing jersey out in the open ones.

Much of the ACC is in the north, incidentally, but their refs are as bad as their teams.
Like what? The afterthoughts in Syracuse, Boston and Pittsburgh? It's a Southern league that decided to take in some misfits a few years ago.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 05:55:04 PM
Ok that was bad defense
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 28, 2019, 06:01:10 PM
Good leadership by LSU #18 to hold his teammates accountable by gathering them up and telling them to avoid ejection risk and stop getting baited into after-whistle shoving matching with the Sooners “because we need you next game.” Also tells you it’s not even half time and LSU is thinking about the next game, haha.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 06:03:37 PM
Running clock in the 2nd half?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2019, 06:05:14 PM
1000 total yards and 100 points?

yikes
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2019, 06:05:53 PM
I'd tell Burrow to not take a hit in the 2nd half
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2019, 06:07:29 PM
Like what? The afterthoughts in Syracuse, Boston and Pittsburgh? It's a Southern league that decided to take in some misfits a few years ago.
Clearly, NORTH Carolina is in the NORTH, it says so in the name.

This game is beyond car wreck, train wreck, plane wreck ...  I've never seen anything like this in a major bowl game before.

What kind of speech does Lincoln have for this at the half?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 06:10:41 PM
UK and Louisville on OT
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 28, 2019, 06:12:02 PM
Looks like the Sooners accidentally forgot to show up to this one
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 28, 2019, 06:14:48 PM
This is insane. It’s like they are playing a FCS team 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 06:15:35 PM
And some people here want LSU playing someone worse in a 1st round, 8-team playoff.  
Sadists.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: EastAthens on December 28, 2019, 06:17:33 PM
Like what? The afterthoughts in Syracuse, Boston and Pittsburgh? It's a Southern league that decided to take in some misfits a few years ago.
What a typical Big 10 comment!  LSU is not better, it is Southern refs that matter!  Stoopid Midwesterners!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 28, 2019, 06:17:44 PM
Not sure if anyone saw this `- Terrible

https://tv5.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28383231/reporter-carley-mccord-lsu-oc-steve-ensminger-daughter-law-dies-plane-crash (https://tv5.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28383231/reporter-carley-mccord-lsu-oc-steve-ensminger-daughter-law-dies-plane-crash)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 06:25:09 PM
Kentucky takes down Louisville
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 06:35:07 PM
Man we got a whole nother half
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 06:38:31 PM
Not sure if anyone saw this `- Terrible

https://tv5.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28383231/reporter-carley-mccord-lsu-oc-steve-ensminger-daughter-law-dies-plane-crash (https://tv5.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28383231/reporter-carley-mccord-lsu-oc-steve-ensminger-daughter-law-dies-plane-crash)
They mentioned it about 20 times during the first half.  
It's sad.
But after the first time they report on it (that one's news), it becomes odd.  And one of the announcers suggesting this is why LSU played so well/hard it just gross.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 06:47:17 PM
https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/1210809014998597632?s=19
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2019, 06:47:39 PM
time to pull Burrow
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 28, 2019, 06:48:29 PM
Oklahoma not only does NOT deserve to be in the playoff, they might NOT deserve to be in College Football at all!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Hawkinole on December 28, 2019, 07:17:56 PM
I think the Sooners cover the spread, could win

Sooner defense is not terrible
You probably want this one back.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2019, 07:18:55 PM
I do, thanks for bumping it
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 07:21:24 PM
We need a running clock
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 07:27:55 PM
If you thought it was hard changing the  narrative of the Big XII playing bad defense before........
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 28, 2019, 07:30:56 PM
If you thought it was hard changing the  narrative of the Big XII playing bad defense before........


Twelving It 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2019, 07:34:28 PM
What a shit show. Anyone who thinks the BCS was bad needs to watch this.

#1 LSU vs. #2 OSU would have been fine.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 28, 2019, 07:44:48 PM
Maybe next year, the fourth time around by then,  “The Committee” will finally come around to realizing Oklahoma team isn’t worthy of the Playoffs. Undefeated or not.
Rightly or wrongly, I think this is definitely going to make it more difficult for future B12 teams to get into the playoffs. The B12 (OU) is about to be 0-4 in CFP games with only one being close.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2019, 07:56:05 PM
ya, but the Sooners beat Bama in 2014
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 07:58:03 PM
Welp, we should hopefully keep it closer than that game
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2019, 08:02:14 PM
If Burrow plays like that in the NC game, the loser tonight is the winner.  I've never seen a QB play that well in a game of this ilk.

I thought OU would score more, they started very rocky obviously.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 08:03:52 PM
https://twitter.com/Reflog_18/status/1211062662714580992?s=19
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2019, 08:11:03 PM
What a typical Big 10 comment!  LSU is not better, it is Southern refs that matter!  Stoopid Midwesterners!
SEC officials for the Fiesta Bowl. What a coincidence.


Any more comments?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 08:11:27 PM
Oh, the meme universe is going to have a field day with OU.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2019, 08:12:03 PM
If Burrow plays like that in the NC game, the loser tonight is the winner.  I've never seen a QB play that well in a game of this ilk.


Color me as impressed as I can be. That kid is something else.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 08:12:51 PM
SEC officials for the Fiesta Bowl. What a coincidence.


Any more comments?
I think we can all agree refs can suck hardcore.  But they don't give a damn who wins.  Any and all alleged favoritism is merely incompetence squared.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2019, 08:15:56 PM
The refs in the previous game missed two blatantly obvious calls, and many more holding penalties on both sides, really obvious ones.  I know later in the game they don't call stuff unless they have to, but this was earlier.

Refs this year in general have been worse than I recall in previous years generally.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 08:17:04 PM
What do you think I can get a ticket for at halftime?  $30?  I might try it.  Anybody have experience with that?  What % is the original asking price might it be?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2019, 08:18:48 PM
I think we can all agree refs can suck hardcore.  But they don't give a damn who wins.  Any and all alleged favoritism is merely incompetence squared.
I disagree


probably don't give a dern in 99 percent of games, but I've seen it
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2019, 08:19:36 PM
What do you think I can get a ticket for at halftime?  $30?  I might try it.  Anybody have experience with that?  What % is the original asking price might it be?
$20 at the end of the first quarter
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 08:26:33 PM
That's a catch
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 08:32:57 PM
Love that the field is trash and people keep slipping
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2019, 08:34:09 PM
get your long cleats
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 08:44:19 PM
Masterclass in playcalling. Every play on the First drive was passing to the outside. Then look what opens up. Though note now having flashbacks to 2008 game against LSU
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 28, 2019, 08:52:10 PM
Clemson hit in mouth, not used to it
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 09:08:40 PM
Dobbins with 141 yards in the first quarter
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 09:17:17 PM
OSU needs to realize this isn't a Big Ten game, can't get away with leaving all of these points on the board.  225-75 in yards
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 28, 2019, 09:19:55 PM
The refs in the previous game missed two blatantly obvious calls, and many more holding penalties on both sides, really obvious ones.  I know later in the game they don't call stuff unless they have to, but this was earlier.

Refs this year in general have been worse than I recall in previous years generally.
I'm no Sooner fan (obviously) but that terrible take-down defensive pass interference that went uncalled in the first quarter when the score was 14-7 was pretty egregious. If I were a Sooner I'd have been livid.  I'm not, so I laughed.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 09:31:38 PM
Dang can't break this game open
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 28, 2019, 09:31:50 PM
OSU needs to realize this isn't a Big Ten game, can't get away with leaving all of these points on the board.  225-75 in yards
Yeah, they're pretty much dominating but just left still more points on the board.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 28, 2019, 09:35:55 PM
Dobbins’ drops have so far put a the ceiling on how far the Buckeyes drives go. Otherwise things going well for Ohio State. Tons of sound from the many Buckeye fans. That last drive has Clemson’s defense (especially their pass rush) dead tired. Buckeyes front seven (and eight when they 4-4) is physically overpowering Clemson’s blocking. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 09:41:01 PM
Bullllllllshit
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 09:41:34 PM
I guess they have to manufacture a way to give Clemson a shot
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 09:45:04 PM
3 blown red zones and a phantom penalty, and Clemson makes it look close
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 09:46:26 PM
I knew the fix was in when they didn't let the coin toss hit the ground
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 28, 2019, 09:47:01 PM
Refs gotta keep it close, or people change the channel. 

BS targeting call. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 28, 2019, 09:48:12 PM
They took a likely first rounder off the field 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 28, 2019, 09:48:25 PM
Leaving all those points, is now coming back to haunt the Buckeyes.  

Also, did they really take enough time to evaluate Lawrence just now?  That shot he took was brutal, sure seems like it warranted maybe 5 minutes of evaluation?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 28, 2019, 09:53:40 PM
Refs gotta keep it close, or people change the channel.

BS targeting call.
Refs in the LSU game missed that memo.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 28, 2019, 09:55:23 PM
Refs in the LSU game missed that memo.
Nah, they just missed one of the worst PI no-calls ever. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 28, 2019, 09:55:27 PM
Welp, we got a game.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 09:56:31 PM
WWelp
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 28, 2019, 09:59:01 PM
Wow - Trevor Lawrence is A LOT tougher and more athletic than I ever gave him credit for. Only ever saw him as a great passer.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 10:26:57 PM
Sounds like Dobbins might be done
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 28, 2019, 10:32:32 PM
Not a good sign for Dobbins.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 28, 2019, 10:33:52 PM
And Tee Higgins looks shaky to me.  The play before he dropped it he hit his head much harder than the one that put him out in the first half.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 10:45:04 PM
Yeesh
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 10:48:48 PM
Penalties, both real and phantom, have salvaged two Clemson scoring drives.  All those FGs, ugh
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 28, 2019, 10:51:01 PM
I definitely put that on the coaches. Just before that punt I was saying don’t even try to block it you’re going to get the ball at the 50 yard line. Defense did their job -they could go get rested. You don’t call a punt block there
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 10:53:15 PM
btw, "had it re-taped in the lockerroom" = we shot him full of stuff so he can finish the game.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 28, 2019, 10:54:05 PM
I definitely put that on the coaches. Just before that punt I was saying don’t even try to block it you’re going to get the ball at the 50 yard line. Defense did their job -they could go get rested. You don’t call a punt block there


Yeah that was a really poor decision. Coaches get caught up in the emotion of the game, too, but the obvious call there was for a return.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 10:56:05 PM
I definitely put that on the coaches. Just before that punt I was saying don’t even try to block it you’re going to get the ball at the 50 yard line. Defense did their job -they could go get rested. You don’t call a punt block there

Agreed.  Unless they saw something on film, that made zero sense.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 28, 2019, 11:00:28 PM
Oh man,  I have to see that again.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 28, 2019, 11:01:23 PM
Fumble.  Huge play.  Great job by the refs not blowing that dead.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 11:02:15 PM
Wow, live I thought incomplete, on replay, clearly a catch and fumble.  Granted the way this has been called this far...
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 28, 2019, 11:03:02 PM
Wow.  Huge, huge, huge.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 11:03:24 PM
OSU is getting absolutely screwed
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 28, 2019, 11:03:38 PM
Sec. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Riffraft on December 28, 2019, 11:04:32 PM
I dont understand what a complete pass is anymore
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 28, 2019, 11:05:17 PM
OSU is getting absolutely screwed
I don’t think the targeting was a bad call.  It sucks.  I’d like to eliminate that from being a penalty but that was targeting.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 11:05:27 PM
Jesus fn christ
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 11:06:26 PM
I don’t think the targeting was a bad call.  It sucks.  I’d like to eliminate that from being a penalty but that was targeting.
It was helmet to helmet, but QB wasn't defenseless, player didn't launch.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Riffraft on December 28, 2019, 11:08:09 PM
Screwed by the fing refs and then throw an interception 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Mdot21 on December 28, 2019, 11:08:24 PM
OSU is getting absolutely screwed
Disagree.

Wade was targeting. I don’t understand these players. They know that targeting is going to get called every time. It’s f’in SIMPLE....STOP LEADING WITH YOUR FRICKEN HELMET.

Also, calling for the punt block was just stupid coaching. Harbaugh does that crap ALL the time and it’s bitten him in the ass way more times than I care to count.

IMO that was an incomplete. Watched it repeatedly in real time. WR never made a football move or ever really had possession of the ball.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 28, 2019, 11:08:49 PM
I don’t think the targeting was a bad call.  It sucks.  I’d like to eliminate that from being a penalty but that was targeting.

Agree, targeting is a tough call but that was targeting.  Even if targeting didn't exist, it would have been spearing by the older rules.  Still a personal foul but not an ejection.  It's against the rules for numerous reasons, but primarily because lowering the crown of the helmet to deliver a blow is highly dangerous to the player that lowers his helmet.  

But that catch/fumble/TD, on the other hand.... that's tough.  It looked like a catch to me.  Receiver caught it, took 3 steps without bobbling, then fumbled it.... I don't see how that one got overturned.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 28, 2019, 11:10:28 PM
It was helmet to helmet, but QB wasn't defenseless, player didn't launch.
Defender dropped his helmet to deliver the blow.  That's gonna get the call every single time.  Like I said, even if you don't believe in "targeting" then it's still "spearing" which has been against the rules for decades.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 28, 2019, 11:11:30 PM
It was helmet to helmet, but QB wasn't defenseless, player didn't launch.
Crown of the helmet to the opponent’s head.  I bet I saw that called on WVU five times this year.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 11:11:51 PM
Nobody is debating the roughing.

If 5 steps isn't a football move, then what is?  You have to change direction?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 28, 2019, 11:14:24 PM
Nobody is debating the roughing.

If 5 steps isn't a football move, then what is?  You have to change direction?
Totally agree with you there.  As a Dallas Cowboys fan that got robbed in a playoff game against Green Bay some years back, I'm very sensitive to this bullshit "football move" lingo.  Taking multiple steps without bobbling the ball is a football move.  Why would we expect a receiver to make some weird lateral shift if it's not necessary as part of the route he was already running?  

The call on the field was correct, and the reversal was crap.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Mdot21 on December 28, 2019, 11:17:31 PM
Nobody is debating the roughing.

If 5 steps isn't a football move, then what is?  You have to change direction?
He didn’t take 5 steps. He caught the ball got one foot down then another and then basically immediately the ball was knocked out of his hands. He never had possession of the ball and made a move up the field. Watching it live I immediately thought that it was an incomplete pass.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 11:19:38 PM
Totally agree with you there.  As a Dallas Cowboys fan that got robbed in a playoff game against Green Bay some years back, I'm very sensitive to this bullshit "football move" lingo.  Taking multiple steps without bobbling the ball is a football move.  Why would we expect a receiver to make some weird lateral shift if it's not necessary as part of the route he was already running? 

The call on the field was correct, and the reversal was crap.
I simply enjoyed that postseason after the refs gifted the Cowboys a win over the Lions, then proceeded to screw them the following week against the Packers, who went on to choke against Seattle.  Basically the entire NFC playoffs was the football gods giveth, the football gods taketh away.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 11:20:10 PM
This turf is an abomination for a game of this magnitude.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 11:21:02 PM
You B10ers are incorrigible.  The universe is not conspiring against OSU, sorry.
.
I came here to post what a great game this is.  Close, going into the 4th, knowing both teams fulling expect to win.  No one is hoping, they expect it.  And I see this deluge of pouting and bitching.....ugh.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 28, 2019, 11:21:31 PM
He didn’t take 5 steps. He caught the ball got one foot down then another and then basically immediately the ball was knocked out of his hands. He never had possession of the ball and made a move up the field. Watching it live I immediately thought that it was an incomplete pass.
Watching it live I did too.  In slow mo he definitely appeared to have possession to me.  He got hit immediately and didn’t have time to turn it up field but he had it secured in both hands and took 3 steps as he was being driven back.  Looked like a catch and fumble to me.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 11:21:59 PM
Has anyone ever seen Austin Mack and Anthony Gonzalez in the same room together?  They feel like the exact same player
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 11:22:35 PM
You B10ers are incorrigible.  The universe is not conspiring against OSU, sorry.
.
I came here to post what a great game this is.  Close, going into the 4th, knowing both teams fulling expect to win.  No one is hoping, they expect it.  And I see this deluge of pouting and bitching.....ugh.
Who said it was a conspiracy?  Please post quotes.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Hawkinole on December 28, 2019, 11:23:28 PM
Replay was intended to make calls more accurate, but lately it seems replay is becoming more and more inaccurate. Those people need to be reviewed with the rest of the officiating crew, and more closely reviewed, because they have more time for consideration, and could actually consult the rule book.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Hawkinole on December 28, 2019, 11:24:10 PM
Justice.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 28, 2019, 11:24:40 PM
Hmm.  Assumed Ohio St would go for 2 there.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Mdot21 on December 28, 2019, 11:25:29 PM
Day has to balls of steel to make that 4th down call and Fields has ice in his veins to make that throw. Wow. This has been by far the best game I can remember watching in a long time.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 11:26:49 PM
Watching it live I did too.  In slow mo he definitely appeared to have possession to me.  He got hit immediately and didn’t have time to turn it up field but he had it secured in both hands and took 3 steps as he was being driven back.  Looked like a catch and fumble to me.
That's what I don't get.  Live I thought incomplete, but they didn't rule it that way.  The replay seemed to actually show the ref was right, and at most that the call stood.  And somehow, in the face of greater evidence, they overturned it.  If they had called it incomplete live, and upheld it on review I'd be fine with that.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Riffraft on December 28, 2019, 11:26:56 PM
You B10ers are incorrigible.  The universe is not conspiring against OSU, sorry.
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I came here to post what a great game this is.  Close, going into the 4th, knowing both teams fulling expect to win.  No one is hoping, they expect it.  And I see this deluge of pouting and bitching.....ugh.
You do know that you can stick to the sec area
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 11:27:47 PM
Should they have good for two?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 28, 2019, 11:28:12 PM
I wonder if Lawrence has ran this much all season.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 11:28:42 PM
You B10ers are incorrigible.  The universe is not conspiring against OSU, sorry.
.
I came here to post what a great game this is.  Close, going into the 4th, knowing both teams fulling expect to win.  No one is hoping, they expect it.  And I see this deluge of pouting and bitching.....ugh.
Oh yeah people never complain about marginal calls that have huge effects on the game
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 11:30:44 PM
I wonder if Lawrence has ran this much all season.
Maybe when he had a Groupon at GreatClips?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 11:35:57 PM
I wonder if Lawrence has ran this much all season.
Highs of 11 rushes and 66 yards (different games).
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Hawkinole on December 28, 2019, 11:37:38 PM
Ohio State is 0-3 against Clemson all time. I didn't know that.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 11:37:54 PM
How is that not targeting on Olave?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 11:38:20 PM
Ohio State is 0-3 against Clemson all time. I didn't know that.
Shouldve read my breakdown
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 11:38:52 PM
I can't imagine having an ankle injury on a field with such poor footing.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 28, 2019, 11:39:51 PM
Watching it live I did too.  In slow mo he definitely appeared to have possession to me.  He got hit immediately and didn’t have time to turn it up field but he had it secured in both hands and took 3 steps as he was being driven back.  Looked like a catch and fumble to me.
Replay was intended to make calls more accurate, but lately it seems replay is becoming more and more inaccurate. Those people need to be reviewed with the rest of the officiating crew, and more closely reviewed, because they have more time for consideration, and could actually consult the rule book.

I'm really tired of folks saying, "Well, it looks different under replay, than it does in real time."

Well, no shit.  That's the entire point of replay.  In real time, we can't see everything that happens.  Refs can be out of position, refs can think they see something that isn't actually there.  Replay shows us the things we don't see, or can't see, in real time.  If that's not the purpose of replay, then what IS the purpose of replay?  If we're not going to use it to see the things we missed in real time, then why have it at all?  Get rid of it.  It just slows down the game and turns it into a beating.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Hawkinole on December 28, 2019, 11:43:35 PM
Shouldve read my breakdown
I did, but not carefully. I was most interested in the bottom line.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 11:44:27 PM
Man think they should have gone for it
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 11:45:24 PM
Beat CFP final ever.  Trumps Oklahoma-Georgia
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 11:45:55 PM
Man think they should have gone for it
Yeah, didn't get Dabo declining the delay.  Once he did that, I would've gone for it.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Hawkinole on December 28, 2019, 11:46:30 PM
I'm really tired of folks saying, "Well, it looks different under replay, than it does in real time."

Well, no shit.  That's the entire point of replay.  In real time, we can't see everything that happens.  Refs can be out of position, refs can think they see something that isn't actually there.  Replay shows us the things we don't see, or can't see, in real time.  If that's not the purpose of replay, then what IS the purpose of replay?  If we're not going to use it to see the things we missed in real time, then why have it at all?  Get rid of it.  It just slows down the game and turns it into a beating.


This season I saw at least two results in Iowa games in which the replay official was obviously incorrect, and one was last night in the USC game. And the narrators on Fox Sports agreed with me. It's perplexing.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 28, 2019, 11:49:49 PM
Way too easy.  Almost wonder if they scored too quickly.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 11:50:03 PM
Scored too fast...
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 28, 2019, 11:51:28 PM
Definitely should have gone for it
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 28, 2019, 11:52:30 PM
What a fun game.

Definitely agree they scored too fast though.

Guess we'll see! :)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 11:52:39 PM
Scored too fast...
Yeah, once Clemson was in FG range, that was best case scenario for OSU
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 11:57:34 PM
Jesus, now OSU is going to score too fast...
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 29, 2019, 12:00:19 AM
or... not... 

wow
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Mdot21 on December 29, 2019, 12:00:26 AM
Wtf was Fields looking at there? Must’ve been a broken play/miscommunication. 

Fields threw it right too the safety.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 29, 2019, 12:01:06 AM
Great game.  I know it sucks Buckeye fans but your team was great and had a great season.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2019, 12:01:19 AM
good game
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Mdot21 on December 29, 2019, 12:01:56 AM
Trevor Lawrence is the best NFL QB prospect I think I’ve ever seen. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 29, 2019, 12:02:19 AM
I think LSU is going to destroy them.  They probably would've beaten OSU too, but Clemson got every bounce to go their way, and barely won this one.  I don't see how they stay close with the Baton Rouge Tigers
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Hawkinole on December 29, 2019, 12:02:28 AM
Sheesh. The best team lost.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2019, 12:03:56 AM
god is a Clemson fan!  Quote those bible verses!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 29, 2019, 12:04:49 AM
Good game.   Good season. 

Impressed by the defense to degree 
Those teams average 48 points per game. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2019, 12:04:53 AM
Congrats, Clemson.  Your reward:  LSU.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 29, 2019, 12:04:59 AM
Wtf was Fields looking at there? Must’ve been a broken play/miscommunication.

Fields threw it right too the safety.
Sucks. Just a miscommunication
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 29, 2019, 12:05:14 AM
Sheesh. The best team lost.
Penalties and red zone offense matter.  Clemson found the inches.  They shouldn't have just lost, they should have lost decisively.  They didn't.  Bully to them.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Mdot21 on December 29, 2019, 12:06:02 AM
I think LSU is going to destroy them.  They probably would've beaten OSU too, but Clemson got every bounce to go their way, and barely won this one.  I don't see how they stay close with the Baton Rouge Tigers
Disagree. 

LSU just played a patsy in the final. 

Clemson got tested by a really good team and responded.

Clemson is now playing for their what- 5th National Championship during the playoff era? Clemson is used to this stage. LSU isn’t. 

I think Clemson wins their 3rd title in the last 4 years. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 29, 2019, 12:09:50 AM
This was Clemson's first, and only real test of the season. 

Sure, they have the talent, but the ACC sucks. 

Would love to see "minutes played" as a stat here. 

The weight of a tougher schedule and season plays a part in these games. 

Clemson players had plenty of rest all season. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 29, 2019, 12:16:27 AM
Disagree.

LSU just played a patsy in the final.

Clemson got tested by a really good team and responded.

Clemson is now playing for their what- 5th National Championship during the playoff era? Clemson is used to this stage. LSU isn’t.

I think Clemson wins their 3rd title in the last 4 years.
Yes, Oklahoma was clearly not good, but Clemson scored twice on drives extended by penalties, had an OSU TD nullified by a BS review, and had a WR fall down on the final play, just to squeak it out.  OSU outgained them by 100 yards, and that is even with Clemson having 140 yards after drives extended by unforced errors.  Unless OSU shoots themselves in the foot over and over and over, they win in a blowout.  And unless LSU does the same, I don't see how Clemson hangs with them.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2019, 12:20:31 AM
my eye test says the better team didn't win, not by a bunch, Clemson is a great team

but you can't have penalties like that cost you a game

the targeting call was the correct call, but didn't need to happen.  Don't tackle high.  Get below the shoulders.  w/o that call Clemson loses the game.

the roughing the punter???  WTH?  player has to know better.  If there's a chance the player doesn't understand, them don't call the play.

the incomplete pass/ fumble - looked like a catch and fumble to me - no reason that call on the field is overturned

great game

great season for the Buckeyes

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 29, 2019, 12:27:41 AM
Which is precisely what I hate had been taken away by the CFP.  The fluky regular season loss due to a confluence of penalties, turnovers, and missed opportunities.  So while I don't like this result, I don't dislike getting a meaningful result by these means, for the first time in a while.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Hawkinole on December 29, 2019, 12:29:14 AM
my eye test says the better team didn't win, not by a bunch, Clemson is a great team

but you can't have penalties like that cost you a game

the targeting call was the correct call, but didn't need to happen.  Don't tackle high.  Get below the shoulders.  w/o that call Clemson loses the game.

the roughing the punter???  WTH?  player has to know better.  If there's a chance the player doesn't understand, them don't call the play.

the incomplete pass/ fumble - looked like a catch and fumble to me - no reason that call on the field is overturned

great game

great season for the Buckeyes


Facts matter.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Hawkinole on December 29, 2019, 12:32:57 AM
If Iowa lost last night with all the awful calls and replay BS call, I'd be really upset, as it was utter BS. Iowa's play on the field was overwhelming, but not every game has the best playing team winning over poor officiating.  

Tonight others can decide. It seemed not quite right.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 29, 2019, 12:37:51 AM
It's funny how you can catch a ball in the endzone with just your hands and it's a TD, but a catch with 2 hands, 4 steps, and a rip, is not a catch and fumble to some.

Amazing. 

Don't think it was targeting either. Had Trevor not ducked down, he gets hit by shoulder pads.

Was a clean tackle IMO. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Abba on December 29, 2019, 12:45:36 AM
Tough loss, but that's how it goes sometimes.  Just not the Buckeyes' night.  Still a great season.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 29, 2019, 12:51:24 AM
my eye test says the better team didn't win, not by a bunch, Clemson is a great team

but you can't have penalties like that cost you a game

the targeting call was the correct call, but didn't need to happen.  Don't tackle high.  Get below the shoulders.  w/o that call Clemson loses the game.

the roughing the punter???  WTH?  player has to know better.  If there's a chance the player doesn't understand, them don't call the play.

the incomplete pass/ fumble - looked like a catch and fumble to me - no reason that call on the field is overturned

great game

great season for the Buckeyes



It's even simpler than that.  Don't lower your head and lead with the crown of the helmet.  That gets called every time. Or maybe it doesn't in the B1G, I don't know, but in every game I've watched for the past several years, it gets called every time.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 29, 2019, 01:00:21 AM
How is that not targeting on Olave?
He got creamed late in the 3rd beginning of the 4th,no Flag such BS.Next play was Fields 1st pick.But the refs reversed a TD,WTF Scott Van Pelt said it looked like a catch and so did everyone else.Don't mind losing just crap how the #@&^%$ do you reverse a legit TD.I think this should push for solid replay.I saw helmet to helmet on the ejection so can't bitch at that but the *@*#&^% Zebras miss the other shit.Buckeyes botched chances to put them away early
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 29, 2019, 01:00:35 AM
Really feel for Ohio State tonight. Played their guts out and for a number of reasons fate didn’t work out.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 29, 2019, 01:14:55 AM
Really feel for Ohio State tonight. Played their guts out and for a number of reasons fate didn’t work out.
Nah. Clemson is a great team. 

What pisses me off more than anything is they have no competition all year and can practically rest their entire starting group at half time, while OSU had to fight through 4 quarters in most of their games. 

I can't stand the 8 conference games and weak scheduling, along with how terrible the ACC is. 

Had I'd have known the ACC would have gotten so bad, I would have never wanted to leave! 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 29, 2019, 01:15:05 AM
Joe Burrow threw more TDs in Mercedes Benz Stadium in 2 games this year, than Matt Ryan has thrown in 8.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2019, 01:25:40 AM
Now that those are done with, the real game is on Monday - ORANGE BOWL!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: TyphonInc on December 29, 2019, 01:46:42 AM
Disagree.

Wade was targeting. I don’t understand these players. They know that targeting is going to get called every time. It’s f’in SIMPLE....STOP LEADING WITH YOUR FRICKEN HELMET.

Also, calling for the punt block was just stupid coaching. Harbaugh does that crap ALL the time and it’s bitten him in the ass way more times than I care to count.

IMO that was an incomplete. Watched it repeatedly in real time. WR never made a football move or ever really had possession of the ball.
Wade lead with his shoulder, wrapped up and didn't launch. Text book good tackle. Lawrence turned into the hit that lead it being helmet to helmet. 

Wide receiver took 4 steps with position the ball before it was ripped out. IMO refs got that one wrong.

Wade ejection's indirectly lead to the next 14 Clemson points. Penalty changed it from 4th and a mile to auto 1st. Next play his back up gets called for PI, and again the back up got juked on Lawrence's TD run. I don't think Wade messes up either of those, Huge how that one judgement called changed the course of the game.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2019, 06:43:13 AM
This concept of "making a football move" to me is about as nonspecific as any rule in the book other than targeting.  Imagine making a tackle at speed and being lined up for a shoulder to shoulder hit and your target shifts position so it becomes head to head at the last microsecond.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 29, 2019, 08:54:54 AM
This was Clemson's first, and only real test of the season.

Sure, they have the talent, but the ACC sucks.

Would love to see "minutes played" as a stat here.

The weight of a tougher schedule and season plays a part in these games.

Clemson players had plenty of rest all season.
Ohio St halftime scores:

28-3
28-0
30-10
49-5
38-0
27-10
31-3
10-0
42-0
35-7
14-0
28-16
7-21

Not sure I’m buying the argument Ohio St was just too beat up from playing into the 4th quarter every game.


Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 29, 2019, 09:58:24 AM
Now that those are done with, the real game is on Monday - ORANGE BOWL!
I believe you mistyped "Tuesday" and "Alamo Bowl!" :)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2019, 10:11:23 AM
btw, "had it re-taped in the lockerroom" = we shot him full of stuff so he can finish the game.
More like, "He wanted us to shoot him full of stuff so he could finish the game. So, we did as asked."


That's how it works. Team players wanna play for their team. Others prepare for the draft.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2019, 10:12:26 AM
Wade lead with his shoulder, wrapped up and didn't launch. Text book good tackle. Lawrence turned into the hit that lead it being helmet to helmet.


all true, but it was definitely helmet to helmet.  a penalty.  Gotta go lower, below the shoulder pads and there's no penalty.

Since no intent and no launch he should have stayed in the game 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 29, 2019, 10:15:02 AM
That’s what I don’t understand.  Technically, I can see the call, but intent? Why the ejection?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2019, 10:16:36 AM
As for the officials... not a good look. 

#24 didn't launch, the QB saw him coming, and the QB lowered his head. How is that targeting? Just because their heads knocked? If that's the case, the (SEC) officials missed about 5-6 calls they could have made last night.

As for the "football move" bulljive, well, it's just that. Bulljive. That was a TD and another momentum-changing moment.

Back to the targeting...

If that was targeting on #24, then OSU's #41 should be charged with attempted murder for his hit on UW's Jack Coan in Indy...

I'd like a broad explanation of the rules, from the directors of officials from all the conferences, sitting in one room - and I'd like to see them enforced clearly, all the time. Because they are not. Clearly.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 29, 2019, 10:23:06 AM
The game was both riveting and agitating at the same time!!!The targeting call was legit,the rule is bullshit.Lots and lots of fans have been saying it for quite some time.How can you tackle,we're not turtles that can pull their head in.So if the same player goes low and hits his knees then what?Flag football is where this is headed.Total bullshit how do the Zebras reverse that.Ohio State certainly hurt their chances but the refs sealed their fate by robbing that TD off the board
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 29, 2019, 10:25:10 AM
That’s what I don’t understand.  Technically, I can see the call, but intent? Why the ejection?
Word - call is a mess,call personal foul.But to take a future number 1pick off the field is horse hooey
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2019, 10:54:06 AM
At speed, a player can be perfectly aligned to make a proper hit and the opponent lowers his head and shifts slightly, perhaps due to being partially tackled by another player, and you have helmet to helmet.  I wonder if offensive players can be taught to lower their heads to get more of this.  Let me know when an offensive player is called for this.

And yes, the "football move" silliness is ridiculous and no one can explain it at all.  They just say words.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2019, 11:07:56 AM
I think if the defender keeps his head up and the contact comes from the facemask there wouldn't be a penalty
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2019, 11:19:55 AM
Here is the replay. Nobody is talking about the "hands to the face" no-call on #73 on this play.


https://twitter.com/espn/status/1211115074351329280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1211115074351329280&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fftw.usatoday.com%2F2019%2F12%2Fohio-state-shaun-wade-targeting-trevor-lawrence
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 29, 2019, 11:28:56 AM
Guys, welcome to SEC officiating.  And that was the best crew from the sec. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2019, 11:37:55 AM
you could have warned us
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2019, 11:41:09 AM
OSU AD Gene Smith lashes out at officials

https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/Article/Fiesta-Bowl-officiating-fumble-overturn-Gene-Smith-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Jeff-Okudah-Ryan-Day-141246507/?fbclid=IwAR2YsNPM4Q06vT6e58N9VkytmfptgGL1jTHV7tO0Q9eO0Ad2Ut0NapmEffQ (https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/Article/Fiesta-Bowl-officiating-fumble-overturn-Gene-Smith-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Jeff-Okudah-Ryan-Day-141246507/?fbclid=IwAR2YsNPM4Q06vT6e58N9VkytmfptgGL1jTHV7tO0Q9eO0Ad2Ut0NapmEffQ)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 29, 2019, 11:44:00 AM
Here is the replay. Nobody is talking about the "hands to the face" no-call on #73 on this play.


https://twitter.com/espn/status/1211115074351329280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1211115074351329280&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fftw.usatoday.com%2F2019%2F12%2Fohio-state-shaun-wade-targeting-trevor-lawrence

Disappointing.  I think he actually led with his shoulder, but Lawrence moved down and turned making it look more like helmet to helmet

but let’s give Clemson credit- they never quit and made the plays they needed to.

sports... sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the windshield. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 29, 2019, 11:44:15 AM
I thought I did.  I don't think anyone believed me. But that it impacts them?  Oh, now they see it!!!

They are THAT bad.  And curiously with decisive plays.  I'd suggest them investigated, but maybe don't want that... May be like curtain pulled at Oz. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2019, 11:44:47 AM
(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/81917292_3243603082321909_3351477377522728960_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ohc=zDmcqHQhtT8AQlVesTjreY9di5mC3aidOJs5jd98xKNZKuFb0sQs2JuGA&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&oh=2fa3d827894dbac43b6bb219c0b23d9e&oe=5E9C704D)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Mdot21 on December 29, 2019, 12:02:38 PM
OSU AD Gene Smith lashes out at officials

https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/Article/Fiesta-Bowl-officiating-fumble-overturn-Gene-Smith-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Jeff-Okudah-Ryan-Day-141246507/?fbclid=IwAR2YsNPM4Q06vT6e58N9VkytmfptgGL1jTHV7tO0Q9eO0Ad2Ut0NapmEffQ (https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/Article/Fiesta-Bowl-officiating-fumble-overturn-Gene-Smith-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Jeff-Okudah-Ryan-Day-141246507/?fbclid=IwAR2YsNPM4Q06vT6e58N9VkytmfptgGL1jTHV7tO0Q9eO0Ad2Ut0NapmEffQ)
Gene should be more upset with the coaching and players than the officials. 

Why Day called for an all out block on the punt when he would’ve got the ball at at least the 50 yard line is beyond me. Harbaugh does that shit so much it drives me nuts. It’s just not worth it. The risk of getting a roughing the kicker call just isn’t worth it.

Ohio State had a bunch of trips to the red zone and they got 3 or none how many times? If Dobbins just maintains possession on that swing pass instead of letting it hit the ground and bobbling it that’s 6. Fields was off with his passes in the red area as well.

And the real killer which ended the game was Olave/Fields not being on the same page. Fields threw it right too the Clemson safety. That’s ball game. 

I still think that ball was incomplete. And I still think Wade and every player shoulder get it drilled into their heads- never lead with the crown of the helmet ever. If you’re going to use the helmet as a weapon- just make sure you go super low and try to take out a guys legs- bc that’s not a penalty and it never gets called. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2019, 12:07:51 PM
If you’re going to use the helmet as a weapon- just make sure you go super low and try to take out a guys legs- bc that’s not a penalty and it never gets called.
Not true. I've seen plenty of calls for tackling too low on a QB.


How about they either a) eliminate tackling, or b) eliminate helmets?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 29, 2019, 12:12:38 PM
Yup you have to lower your head with the rest of your torso - there is no way around it unless you are a turtle.15 yards maybe but ejection on that?it was bang-bang
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 29, 2019, 12:12:52 PM
Impartial: 
it WAS targeting, intentions don't matter.
It WAS an interception.  He lost ball after intentionally transitioning position.

The last play:  that receiver was going to be a hero or goat the second he planted his foot to cut,other direction... Either he catches game winning pass, wide open, and is praised for his game awareness of shucking coverage, or, his QB throws to a ghost being covered by a wide open DB. 

I dont like the officiating either.  It ought not been a factor.  It should never be. BUT.  As freakin good as tOSU is, so is Clemson.  When officials have opportunity to decide outcome, the teams have already made that easy on them.

Helluva good game. Fun to watch. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 29, 2019, 12:15:43 PM
Impartial: 
it WAS targeting, intentions don't matter.
This and in truth could be called against the offense every play.That Sooner DB who got kicked out was targeting.Wade was simply leaning in and their heads collide - like every other play during any game
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 29, 2019, 12:20:33 PM
Some dude on Twitter made a comment and I agree... Targeting will evolve to F1 and F2 or some such distinction... It has to.  If they hadnt made that call, the subsequent PI likely wouldnt have happened, and the QB wouldnt have ripped that TD run... And if a frog had wings..... 

And... Its not just the calls made, its the calls ignored... Its bad officiating, period. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2019, 12:46:55 PM
Not true. I've seen plenty of calls for tackling too low on a QB.


How about they either a) eliminate tackling, or b) eliminate helmets?
there's plenty of target area below the neck and above the knee
one of my pet peeves with defense for 10 years or so is tackling/hitting too high

many times just results in a missed tackle
grabbing helmets and facemasks is foolish - get your hands down
rules say no head slaps and no hands to the face
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2019, 02:24:10 PM
I've seen players called for hitting the QB low when they clearly were blocked into the QB.  We've all seen all sorts of calls missed or mangled.  I usually give the benefit of the doubt because it happens so fast in real time, but that PI call they missed earlier was so egregious it's hard to see how it could be missed (on LSU).  That ACC crew was worse than the SEC crew IMHO, it just didn't impact the outcome.

I have to take is as "part of the game", like a pass that bounces off a receiver and is intercepted, or dropped.  I recall one in an earlier game where the pass was bobbled, bounced of a player almost on the ground, and right into the hands of a large fellow for a Pick 6.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 29, 2019, 02:29:43 PM
And thats my point too, @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) .... If refs are in position to decide game, one team is not decisively better than the other. 

The facemask on the LSU QB was 'missed'... It was obvious when its so bad the player adjusts his hat immediately following and all right on front of two refs.... Did it matter? Not even a little... In a tight game, and lets say OU recovered the fumble... We'd be talking about that..... 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 29, 2019, 03:02:43 PM
Ohio St halftime scores:

28-3
28-0
30-10
49-5
38-0
27-10
31-3
10-0
42-0
35-7
14-0
28-16
7-21

Not sure I’m buying the argument Ohio St was just too beat up from playing into the 4th quarter every game.
Are you kidding me? 

Show me on Clemson's schedule what compares to...

 Michigan.... 
Wisconsin x2.... 
PSU..... 

Ohio State couldn't rest their top players by half, like Clemson could. 

Maryland and Rutgers can count as their OOC FCS opponents, but Clemson doesn't compare as far as schedule. 

I know there is a degree of separation with Clemson and WVU, but the defense for their pathetic schedule and conference is stretching it.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 29, 2019, 03:04:28 PM
Here is the replay. Nobody is talking about the "hands to the face" no-call on #73 on this play.


https://twitter.com/espn/status/1211115074351329280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1211115074351329280&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fftw.usatoday.com%2F2019%2F12%2Fohio-state-shaun-wade-targeting-trevor-lawrence
Maryland averaged 3 of those a game this year, along with holding, which apparently doesn't happen at any school yesterday. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2019, 03:08:17 PM
Ohio St. played a much tougher schedule than Clemson

no debate, but the Buckeyes could have rested their starters much more if that was a thing

that was not the issue last night
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2019, 03:14:03 PM
Yes, noting the half time scores is not the same as claiming OSU played a weaker slate than did Clemson.  A team plausibly could play a very difficult schedule and still have every game in hand at the half and be able to rest starters.  I don't know when OSU rested starters versus Clemson in their games.  Clemson likely had them all in late in the game in Chapel Hill though.

I was thinking last night about field goals when it was 16-0.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 29, 2019, 03:23:06 PM
at least the chip shot FGs weren't missed
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2019, 03:41:50 PM
More like, "He wanted us to shoot him full of stuff so he could finish the game. So, we did as asked."


That's how it works. Team players wanna play for their team. Others prepare for the draft.
Wow.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2019, 03:44:52 PM


Ohio State had a bunch of trips to the red zone and they got 3 or none how many times? 
While it's stupid to narrow the dozens of reasons why a team wins or loses a game down to just one, we tend to do that all the time.  If we had to pick one thing, this is it.  Not bad calls, not bad no-calls, but this.  
If it's 24-7, OSU wins the game.  Period.  Done.  Then we could avoid the whine-fest for 5 pages.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 29, 2019, 04:45:31 PM
While it's stupid to narrow the dozens of reasons why a team wins or loses a game down to just one, we tend to do that all the time.  If we had to pick one thing, this is it.  Not bad calls, not bad no-calls, but this. 
If it's 24-7, OSU wins the game.  Period.  Done.  Then we could avoid the whine-fest for 5 pages.
I'm sorry but these are always the silliest takes. Had OSU scored more points, they would have been more likely to win the game? How can no one have thought of that before??
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2019, 04:51:33 PM
Wow.
:72:
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2019, 04:51:40 PM
Every competitive game comes down to 2-3-4 conspicuous and probably 8-9-10 inconspicuous "what ifs".  It's the nature of the sport (and every sport).  This one had several of the conspicuous types obviously, and they merit some discussion.  Ten years from now, five even, all that will be remembered is that it was a close game, if that, and Clemson won, and not even that if LSU beats them.

Did I mention the 1984 Cotton Bowl?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2019, 04:58:45 PM
I'm sorry but these are always the silliest takes. Had OSU scored more points, they would have been more likely to win the game? How can no one have thought of that before??
It specifies that those handful of plays are the reason why a team lost, not the other excuses.  Winning teams score TDs.  Losing teams kick FGs.  That point has plenty within it for it not to be silly.
OSU was moving the ball - they had to be, or else they wouldn't have had that many trips inside the 20.
A combination of OSU's failures and Clemson's efforts prevented OSU from getting into the end zone when they were so close.
If OSU clamps down and the defense keeps it up, OSU wins easily and the failed red zone trips don't matter - but we realize Clemson had to have come back for those failures to cost OSU in the end.
.
You know, a silly little point can contain many inferences.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 29, 2019, 05:00:18 PM
It specifies that those handful of plays are the reason why a team lost, not the other excuses.  Winning teams score TDs.  Losing teams kick FGs.  That point has plenty within it for it not to be silly.
OSU was moving the ball - they had to be, or else they wouldn't have had that many trips inside the 20.
A combination of OSU's failures and Clemson's efforts prevented OSU from getting into the end zone when they were so close.
If OSU clamps down and the defense keeps it up, OSU wins easily and all the FG trips don't matter - but we realize Clemson did come back, and thus, the FGs came back to bite OSU in the butt. 


Well no shit. Also three 50/50 calls that all go against OSU and cause a 21 point swing also affect the outcome. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2019, 05:05:49 PM
I was excited to see football on TV when I flipped it on, and then I groaned to realize today is Sunday, and it is the NFL.  The college game is changing fairly rapidly today, probably not in every sense how "we" would like it, but it is still the superior product (I think).  I'm not sure if that will still be true in 2030.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 29, 2019, 05:15:36 PM
Are you kidding me?

Show me on Clemson's schedule what compares to...

 Michigan....
Wisconsin x2....
PSU.....

Ohio State couldn't rest their top players by half, like Clemson could.

I literally just showed you 9 games where they could have rested their starters by halftime.  Yeah, Ohio St played a tougher schedule but you are acting like Ohio St was in a weekly dogfight.  They weren’t.  Of all the excuses I’ve read in here your “minutes played” is the most outlandish.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 29, 2019, 05:39:21 PM
Every competitive game comes down to 2-3-4 conspicuous and probably 8-9-10 inconspicuous "what ifs".  It's the nature of the sport (and every sport).  This one had several of the conspicuous types obviously, and they merit some discussion.  Ten years from now, five even, all that will be remembered is that it was a close game, if that, and Clemson won, and not even that if LSU beats them.

Did I mention the 1984 Cotton Bowl?
Is it me or do we have a healthy habit of indirectly whipping Utee with the same three sticks ('84 Cotton,  '91 Cotton, and Route 66 games.).   We all have our wounds, but man we love talking about those three games.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2019, 06:11:53 PM
Utee can take it, he gets a lickin' and keeps on postin'.

Think about Alabama in that Auburn game, that one had some, um, curious referring decisions as well.  Probably cost them a playoff slot, perhaps?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2019, 06:20:05 PM
Well no shit. Also three 50/50 calls that all go against OSU and cause a 21 point swing also affect the outcome.
YES!
You're missing the point:  one thing is in your hands and the other isn't.  You worry about what you can control.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2019, 06:39:03 PM
There are bowl games tomorrow, including the Orange!  Yay.  This is really confusing to me.

Why does Lockheed sponsor a bowl?  Am I a potential customer for an F-35B?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 29, 2019, 06:40:47 PM
YES!
You're missing the point:  one thing is in your hands and the other isn't.  You worry about what you can control.
This is a message board not a practice facility. What do you think people are going to talk about? Don't be annoying.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 29, 2019, 06:57:37 PM
Why does Lockheed sponsor a bowl?  Am I a potential customer for an F-35B?
you know the answer to that... 

This is a message board not a practice facility. What do you think people are going to talk about? Don't be annoying.
exactly.. 
today, my facebook feed is lit up with comments about the games yesterday (the CFP games).  they are all moaning about the officiating- and i guess that's fine.  what strikes me odd about it is the majority of these folks don't really follow the game, and watched maybe three or four games this season- which is to say they went to a party somebody threw for this or that game and mingled while drinking a lot.... they didn't even watch those games, in other words. 

as soon as i saw the SEC team officiating in the tOSU/Clemson game, i KNEW there would be tomfujjery to take place.  They are bad.  It's not just one game, and it's not that often it seems to favor one team... and to be as fair as i can- we're now watching on 72" 4K televisions with a massive array of camera angles and replays on demand...... have these things always been this bad? i'm thinking, yeah... those refs are human. those folks complaining about the calls just haven't watched the games enough to know how constant this theme is. 

now on the flip side- if you want to see a team get jobbed by the zebras, go watch the UT/Bama game from this year... there is but one explanation for the calls in that game- and though i may appear biased, i'll let you decide.  I've seen bama get calls and the same refs with eagle eyes miss obvious ones.  

But... alas, again i say- if one team is decisively better than the other, the refs can't change the outcome.  personally, i think the three best teams in the game this season, little numbers beside their names or not- LSU, Clemson, tOSU- in whatever order you want to give them.  in a perfect world, if LSU can beat Clemson, i'd like to see them validate that by beating tOSU too.... but that ain't an option.  

and something else to add... i know Herby was saying it, but... that field was obviously slick, and the trip tackle on the tOSU breakway run wouldn't have happened without it.  That unto itself is a factor in the outcome... the field itself.  

i recall, '95 maybe? UT played tOSU and beat them like a drum in a bowl game.  they were penalized early costing them 15 yards on the kick after half for 'improper equipment'.  they were wearing cleats too long, and that field was super sloppy... it looked like UT was faster by a massive margin, but... they could simply get traction.  was it cheating? serendipitous mistake? if anyone who watched that game doesn't believe it a factor, they'd be crazy.  and this, from a UT fan... 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2019, 07:05:50 PM
I'm not into conspiracies because anything involving more than two people get complex in a hurry and someone would eventually talk.  I doubt the refs are intentionally throwing games either way.  They may be bad, the certainly miss things, but I don't think it is with any intent to favor A over B.  There COULD be the odd exception where some ref is coopted by folks who break legs, but even then it gets a bit obvious too quickly to be safe, and one ref might not have a chance to change an outcome.

In my experience, the larger a group of humans becomes, the more inanity and incompetence surfaces, like the Peter Principle.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 29, 2019, 07:35:34 PM
I literally just showed you 9 games where they could have rested their starters by halftime.  Yeah, Ohio St played a tougher schedule but you are acting like Ohio St was in a weekly dogfight.  They weren’t.  Of all the excuses I’ve read in here your “minutes played” is the most outlandish.
You showed half time scores, not who they played. 

If you don't think the weight of playing a full season with a stronger schedule doesn't play a part at the end of the season, then please, by all means, tell that to the committee so we can get more teams in the playoff, and wipe away the theory that RB's have a shorter playing span, and the more hits you take, the more likely you are to get injured.

I'll be waiting for your submission. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2019, 07:46:38 PM
Yes, he showed half time scores, because that was his point, not who they played.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 29, 2019, 07:53:26 PM
i recall, '95 maybe? UT played tOSU and beat them like a drum in a bowl game.  they were penalized early costing them 15 yards on the kick after half for 'improper equipment'.  they were wearing cleats too long, and that field was super sloppy... it looked like UT was faster by a massive margin, but... they could simply get traction.  was it cheating? serendipitous mistake? if anyone who watched that game doesn't believe it a factor, they'd be crazy.  and this, from a UT fan...
There are tOSU fans who still refer to UT as "Tennecleat" or "Tennecheat" based on that game.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 29, 2019, 07:58:22 PM
You showed half time scores, not who they played.

If you don't think the weight of playing a full season with a stronger schedule doesn't play a part at the end of the season, then please, by all means, tell that to the committee so we can get more teams in the playoff, and wipe away the theory that RB's have a shorter playing span, and the more hits you take, the more likely you are to get injured.

I'll be waiting for your submission.
Meh, people wait for the result and then make up reasons why the result happened.  If Ohio St wins a close game you are probably citing being “battle tested” as a reason why. They lose and all of a sudden they are just too drained from a brutal schedule.  

You made earlier claims about Ohio St having to go into the 4th quarter almost every week.  I showed that wasn’t close to being true.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 29, 2019, 08:01:48 PM

Why does Lockheed sponsor a bowl?  Am I a potential customer for an F-35B?
why did BASF run ads, or 3M, or any # of other B2B corporations?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2019, 08:03:09 PM
I literally just showed you 9 games where they could have rested their starters by halftime.  Yeah, Ohio St played a tougher schedule but you are acting like Ohio St was in a weekly dogfight.  They weren’t.  Of all the excuses I’ve read in here your “minutes played” is the most outlandish.
To simplify the point here:

1.  OSU played a tougher schedule than Clemson.
2.  Even so, most games were effectively over at the half, so the starters could have rested.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2019, 08:05:11 PM
why did BASF run ads, or 3M, or any # of other B2B corporations?
Yeah, I wondered that all the time when they'd come on TV.  I can only guess it's PR, like "We're a nice friendly company and deserve your tax dollars" or something so we can blow stuff up better.

3M at least has a consumer market for a few items.

One thing I was told about marketing is that the main focus is simply to get the product name out there, not really to convince anyone to buy it (necessarily).
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 29, 2019, 08:05:56 PM
write off.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2019, 08:16:32 PM
write off. 
Yeah, it's a business expense, but you don't make money with this sort of write offs.  Spend $100 and get $30 back in taxes.  

Otherwise, every company would advertise nonstop and throw money out the window.  I get that impression at times watching regular TV.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 29, 2019, 08:26:17 PM
yeah, but that isn't my point... it IS a 'write off' in that "where did this money go?" and the answer "there, the bowl game, or the advertising"... "oh".... and there is somebody somewhere about to perform a paid service to someone who spent some corporate funds on 'the bowl game'. 

defense contracting is a nasty business.  i know someone who blew the whistle on something akin to this, and caused a lot of folks a lot of angst- and their jobs, too. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 29, 2019, 08:31:40 PM
B2B markting/advertising is important in its own right, and I highly doubt most of us are in a position to calculate or identify a real tangible benefit, but i'm sure it's real, beyond a speculative tax benefit.   SAP, Oracle, others all run ads on TV, and you'll also see them with some targeted ADs in places like airports and other places, which seem odd to the passing consumer.   Having said that,  they dominate the AD space in your daily WSJ.   I don't think I recall a beer AD in the WSJ, even though plenty of beer drinkers read the WSJ.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2019, 08:37:31 PM
They also do it for recruiting employees.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 29, 2019, 09:14:16 PM
Yeah, good point.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 30, 2019, 08:34:19 AM
Weird that they put so many bowl games on weekday afternoons.

Who's watching these, other than college kids on Winter Break?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2019, 08:35:53 AM
Weird that they put so many bowl games on weekday afternoons.

Who's watching these, other than college kids on Winter Break?
Old guys who post on Internet message boards all year about the backup long snapper on Eastern Missouri State.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on December 30, 2019, 09:44:20 AM
Weird that they put so many bowl games on weekday afternoons.

Who's watching these, other than college kids on Winter Break?
I assume the goal was at one point to go wall to wall for people who took off between Christmas and New Years. And you gotta burn off bowls somewhere. 

I can find a vague reason to watch any of them, though today’s slate has less pull than tomorrow’s for me. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2019, 09:54:43 AM
Dec. 30
SERVPRO First Responder Bowl
Western Kentucky vs. Western Michigan
Gerald J. Ford Stadium
Dallas
12:30 p.m., ESPN/ESPN App | Tickets (https://www.vividseats.com/ncaaf/heart-of-dallas-bowl-tickets.html?wsUser=717&wsVar=bowlsedit)

Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl
Mississippi State vs. Louisville
Nissan Stadium
Nashville, Tennessee
4 p.m., ESPN/ESPN App | Tickets (https://www.vividseats.com/ncaaf/music-city-bowl-tickets.html?wsUser=717&wsVar=bowlsedit)

Redbox Bowl
California vs. Illinois
Levi's Stadium
Santa Clara, California
4 p.m., Fox | Tickets (https://www.vividseats.com/ncaaf/redbox-bowl-tickets/redbox-bowl-12-30-3235698.html?wsUser=717&wsVar=bowlsedit)

Capital One Orange Bowl
Florida vs. Virginia
Hard Rock Stadium
Miami Gardens, Florida
8 p.m., ESPN/ESPN App | Tickets (https://www.vividseats.com/ncaaf/orange-bowl-tickets.html?wsUser=717&wsVar=bowlsedit)


I enjoy seeing teams from different conferences with different styles of play, like Cal-UI.  MSU-Laville could be fun.  If Florida is motivated at all, UVA should be at a huge talent disadvantage.  Well, they are regardless.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 30, 2019, 09:57:36 AM
Monday

12:30, ESPN
Servpro First Responder Bowl
Western Kentucky v. Western Michigan

The First Responder Bowl, where college football says thanks to cops, firefighters and paramedics by subjecting them to a third-rate bowl game on the middle of a Monday.  The 62nd ranked (by SP+) Hilltoppers will try to hold off 85th ranked Western Michigan.  An offense-defense battle, Western Kentucky has a pretty strong defensive squad, while WMU has the 24th ranked scoring offense.

4 pm, ESPN
Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl
Mississippi State v. Louisville

I've actually been to a music city bowl, back when Notre Dame beat LSU a few years ago.  I'm surprised it hasn't been able to get a little bigger - the stadium is within walking distance of the main strip in Nashville, and Nashville is loads of fun.  It  makes for a great little trip.  In any event, these teams are the definition of power 5 also rans, as Miss. St. ranks 50th in SP+ and Louisville 63rd.  They both have decent enough offenses and not that great defenses, so maybe we'll see a few points scored.  I'm surprised Joe Moorhead hasn't been able to generate more wins for the Bulldogs - they've been very average and had a hard time getting untracked on offense - a far cry from his fun PSU offenses.  

4 pm, FOX
Redbox Bowl
Cal v. Illinois

Another game between two crappy teams, the RedBox bowl features 76th ranked Cal against 59th ranked Illinois.  Illinois actually looked kind of good in the middle of the season before lucking their way into a win against Sparty and then calling it a season.  Cal is somewhat surprisingly favored by a touchdown, but they've struggled to score several times this year. They do play pretty solid defense, which may be the deciding factor.  Illinois has been tough to figure out, at times looking horrrible on both sides of the ball and at times looking very good.  But I ain't betting on Illinois being good.

8 pm, ESPN
Capital One Orange Bowl
Florida v. Virginia

Why exactly is Virginia in this game?  Is the Orange Bowl so into the ACC that they just choose whoever is available?  Virginia is a pretty average team (45th on SP+, just behind Tulane and just ahead of FAU).  They went 9-4, so it's not like they squeaked out some wins to earn their place.  This is the spot where midmajors get the shaft - UCF, Cincinnati, Air Force, Appy State, and Boise State are all clearly better teams that deserved a spot ahead of Virginia.  Also Notre Dame whipped Virginia and went 10-2.  In any event, Florida is not a bad team - in fact they are a very good team (7th on SP+).  I will watch a few plays then try to finish off The Expanse.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 30, 2019, 10:06:07 AM
You'd think jock strap makers would sponsor a bowl

"Yes ladies and gentleman welcome to the Sack-Up,Pinch Your Privates Nowhere Near All-American Bowl and in today's exciting match up......"
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2019, 10:07:53 AM
The OB has a lock with the ACC, I believe.  Notre Dame would have been a far better choice here.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2019, 10:10:38 AM
I assume the goal was at one point to go wall to wall for people who took off between Christmas and New Years. And you gotta burn off bowls somewhere.

I can find a vague reason to watch any of them, though today’s slate has less pull than tomorrow’s for me.
Winner. "Capital One Bowl Week" was born of this.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2019, 10:13:43 AM
The OB has a lock with the ACC, I believe.  Notre Dame would have been a far better choice here.
Yes, they do. What they need to do is what the old BCS did (the "Big East Rule"). That rule allowed bowls to opt out on selecting a "contracted" team if they were ranked below a certain number (I forgot) or unranked. Maybe K60 will recall. I remember some discussion here on that, after the ACC screwed everything up.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2019, 10:23:09 AM
Notre Dame - Florida would attract some eye balls, including mine.  Instead, ND played ISU in the Underpants bowl.

Or was it the Tampax Bowl?  Charmin Bowl?  Did we ever have a Pepsi or Coke Bowl?  Why not a Dr. Pepper Bowl?  They could have Tech play State.

I'd like to see a "2000 Flushes Bowl".  The AMX Bowl?  The BMW Bowl?  The Pepto Bismol Bowl.

The Tito's Vodka Bowl.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2019, 10:31:20 AM
I'm down with the Tito's Vodka Bowl.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 30, 2019, 10:35:49 AM
Weird that they put so many bowl games on weekday afternoons.

Who's watching these, other than college kids on Winter Break?
My company used to have a "shutdown" twice a year, once during 4th of July week (which is right after the end of the fiscal year for us) and once between Christmas and New Year's Day. For public companies, employees holding large amounts of banked vacation time must be treated as a financial liability, and Wall St hates that, so the entire purpose was to get employees to burn through some of their PTO. I think the Christmas->New Year's week is a very common time for people in corporate office jobs to take time off, even if not officially a "shutdown". 

We've since gone to a PTO honor system (https://www.fastcompany.com/3043269/vacation-policies-youll-envy-from-companies-you-dont-work-for) which negated the financial incentive for a forced shutdown. However, in my role, most of my customers are off for the holidays so I'm working from home, as it's incredibly slow. So having these games on gives me something to put on in the background while I work. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2019, 10:36:33 AM
We already have 5 Dr. Pepper Bowls in early December. Please. No Mas.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 30, 2019, 10:37:27 AM
We already have 5 Dr. Pepper Bowls in early December. Please. No Mas.
Who even drinks that stuff? It's disgusting.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2019, 10:38:29 AM
My company used to have a "shutdown" twice a year, once during 4th of July week (which is right after the end of the fiscal year for us) and once between Christmas and New Year's Day. For public companies, employees holding large amounts of banked vacation time must be treated as a financial liability, and Wall St hates that, so the entire purpose was to get employees to burn through some of their PTO. I think the Christmas->New Year's week is a very common time for people in corporate office jobs to take time off, even if not officially a "shutdown".

We've since gone to a PTO honor system (https://www.fastcompany.com/3043269/vacation-policies-youll-envy-from-companies-you-dont-work-for) which negated the financial incentive for a forced shutdown. However, in my role, most of my customers are off for the holidays so I'm working from home, as it's incredibly slow. So having these games on gives me something to put on in the background while I work.

"work"

Heh.

You mean, stare at your computer in hopes that somebody - ANYBODY - will send you an email. That's "work" this week and last.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2019, 10:38:46 AM
Who even drinks that stuff? It's disgusting.
Hillbillies.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 30, 2019, 10:43:37 AM
Notre Dame - Florida would attract some eye balls, including mine.  Instead, ND played ISU in the Underpants bowl.

Or was it the Tampax Bowl?  Charmin Bowl?  Did we ever have a Pepsi or Coke Bowl?  Why not a Dr. Pepper Bowl?  They could have Tech play State.

I'd like to see a "2000 Flushes Bowl".  The AMX Bowl?  The BMW Bowl?  The Pepto Bismol Bowl.

The Tito's Vodka Bowl.
The Toilet Bowl from Flushing,New York
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 30, 2019, 10:43:51 AM
Hillbillies.
Ahh, State fans then? 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2019, 10:45:03 AM
Yep. And they call it "Coke" when they order it.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 30, 2019, 10:48:30 AM
My company used to have a "shutdown" twice a year, once during 4th of July week (which is right after the end of the fiscal year for us) and once between Christmas and New Year's Day. For public companies, employees holding large amounts of banked vacation time must be treated as a financial liability, and Wall St hates that, so the entire purpose was to get employees to burn through some of their PTO. I think the Christmas->New Year's week is a very common time for people in corporate office jobs to take time off, even if not officially a "shutdown".

We've since gone to a PTO honor system (https://www.fastcompany.com/3043269/vacation-policies-youll-envy-from-companies-you-dont-work-for) which negated the financial incentive for a forced shutdown. However, in my role, most of my customers are off for the holidays so I'm working from home, as it's incredibly slow. So having these games on gives me something to put on in the background while I work.

Yup.  The Christmas-NYD shutdown is really common in High Tech.  Somewhat less common in other professional fields, and as we've noted before, it's completely missing in manufacturing.

I used to work on Christmas Day back when I was in semiconductor manufacturing. Wafer fabs run 3 shifts and don't ever shut down. That sucked and is one of the many reasons I left semiconductors.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 30, 2019, 11:20:48 AM
Yup.  The Christmas-NYD shutdown is really common in High Tech.  Somewhat less common in other professional fields, and as we've noted before, it's completely missing in manufacturing.

I used to work on Christmas Day back when I was in semiconductor manufacturing. Wafer fabs run 3 shifts and don't ever shut down. That sucked and is one of the many reasons I left semiconductors.
Yeah, although we were "shut down", it was actually less than half the company that was off. Our manufacturing facilities overseas were still going strong. 

Was this you back in the day? "Time to make the semiconductors."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=petqFm94osQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=petqFm94osQ)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 30, 2019, 11:27:00 AM
Ha!  Pretty much!

Luckily I wasn't a process engineer but rather a test engineer working on behalf of an equipment manufacturer (ion implanters), within our customer's fabs.  So I only had to work a couple of Christmases and only if things went wrong with our equipment, and after that I had enough seniority to avoid it.  But man those were some tough days, getting up at 7 AM to spend Christmas morning with the family, then heading into work by noon or so to spend 8 hours in a cleanroom, with little interaction with any other folks.  Not the way I like to spend Christmas at all.

This year, the very large computer manufacturing company that I work for that is headquartered in Austin (Round Rock actually), shut down for the week of Christmas, and technically we're working this week.  /But I had plenty of PTO so today I really only logged in to see if anything went crazy over last week, and I won't work again this week, although I'll probably log in again on Thursday or Friday, just to make sure next week isn't too horrible.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2019, 11:32:46 AM
Yep. And they call it "Coke" when they order it.
y'all are talkin bout Texans
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 30, 2019, 11:49:14 AM
Dr. Pepper is great and Texans are bad-ass.  The End.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 30, 2019, 11:51:33 AM
And you don't ever order a Dr. Pepper by saying coke.  That's just silly.

But you do say, "Hey y'all I'm fixin' to go to the store and grab some cokes, anybody want one?"  And when the reply is, "Sure!" then the response is, "Ok, what kind do you want?  Coke?  Dr. Pepper?  Mountain Dew?"
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 30, 2019, 11:52:15 AM
Yeah, although we were "shut down", it was actually less than half the company that was off. Our manufacturing facilities overseas were still going strong.

Was this you back in the day? "Time to make the semiconductors."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=petqFm94osQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=petqFm94osQ)
Me.
Printing.
Cutting.
Shipping.
Printing.
Cutting.
Shipping.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2019, 11:56:55 AM
Me.
Printing.
Cutting.
Shipping.
Printing.
Cutting.
Shipping.
Me.


(nudge)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2019, 11:57:40 AM
Later in my career, I always worked these days because there was nobody else around.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2019, 11:58:38 AM
And you don't ever order a Dr. Pepper by saying coke.  That's just silly.

But you do say, "Hey y'all I'm fixin' to go to the store and grab some cokes, anybody want one?"  And when the reply is, "Sure!" then the response is, "Ok, what kind do you want?  Coke?  Dr. Pepper?  Mountain Dew?"

This is true hereabouts.  "Coke" means soft drink.  Rum and coke could be rum and Canada Dry.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2019, 12:00:08 PM
I'm in the office this morning because someone had a funeral to attend.  I was scheduled to have the day off.  Trying to burn vacation leave time.  Can only carry over 40 hours.

I'm leaving soon to go home to watch bowl games.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2019, 12:00:37 PM
This is true hereabouts.  "Coke" means soft drink.  Rum and coke could be rum and Canada Dry. 
the unwashed masses
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 30, 2019, 12:03:32 PM
the unwashed masses

Sounds so much better than using dorky yankee words like "soda" or "pop" or the very worst "soda-pop."

Say that down here, and everyone knows they can start ignoring your yankee ass. :)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 30, 2019, 12:12:47 PM
This is true hereabouts.  "Coke" means soft drink.  Rum and coke could be rum and Canada Dry. 
This is so foreign to me. I’ve always referred to it as “pop” and I realize that drives some people crazy. But to call it generically “Coke” would drive me crazy.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2019, 12:13:32 PM
the unwashed masses
Coke seems popular hereabouts.  I have not been in a single restaurant that had Pepsi since we came here.  

When I was in seventh grade, we had a class trip to NYC and I was astonished to learn they had Coke up there.  Seriously.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2019, 12:14:37 PM
This is so foreign to me. I’ve always referred to it as “pop” and I realize that drives some people crazy. But to call it generically “Coke” would drive me crazy.
Yeah, in Cincy they called it pop also, drove me crazy.  Someone would ask me if I wanted a "pop".  I thought they mean a popsicle.

They have weird chili there too, so there is that.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2019, 12:40:09 PM
It's called "pop" because the bubbles pop. More often than anything, I hear it called soda.

I always called it Diet Coke. Because, I wanted a Diet Coke.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2019, 12:49:29 PM
The term "soda" is interesting.  It can mean sodium bicarbonate, baking soda.

It does make bubbles of CO2 if added to water.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 30, 2019, 01:10:30 PM
This is so foreign to me. I’ve always referred to it as “pop” and I realize that drives some people crazy. But to call it generically “Coke” would drive me crazy.
Does it drive you crazy when people refer to a Puffs tissue as a "Kleenex?"  Or in days of yore, when people called a photocopy made on a Canon copier, a "Xerox?"

I'm playing around of course.  Slang, jargon, and diomatic expressions are interesting, but to me what's more interesting is determining why the different idioms exist in the first place.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2019, 01:15:20 PM
Terms like Kleenex and Xerox are trademarks of course, and at some point if they become generic, the companies can lose those trademarks, so we'd have Canon Brand Xerox copies.  Aspirin lost its trademark in the US, but not in Canada.  Aspirin is called ASA in Canada (and Europe)  unless it is Bayer brand.

When KC advertises Kleenex, they are careful to say "Kleenex brand" facial tissues.  Puffs are a lot better though.  Except for lint.  Puffs uses a lot of fiber from eucalyptus trees grown in Brazil.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 30, 2019, 01:23:40 PM
Does it drive you crazy when people refer to a Puffs tissue as a "Kleenex?"  Or in days of yore, when people called a photocopy made on a Canon copier, a "Xerox?"

I'm playing around of course.  Slang, jargon, and diomatic expressions are interesting, but to me what's more interesting is determining why the different idioms exist in the first place.
Your point is well taken because I do generically call tissues a Kleenex.  That being said, if I ask for a Kleenex and you hand me a Puffs I’d never know the difference.

If I ask for a Coke and you hand me a Sprite I immediately know the difference.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 30, 2019, 01:29:21 PM
You think that's bad, my mother calls the miracle whip "salad dressing."

She asked me to grab the salad dressing out of the fridge. I said "what kind? There's Ranch, Bleu Cheese, French, Italian..." She says "no, salad dressing." I was like "yeah, I heard you. Can you be more specific?" She looked at me like I was crazy, then went over to the fridge and pulled out the miracle whip, showed it to me, and again said "salad dressing."

It was the strangest thing. I know that mayo goes in chicken salad, egg salad, etc. But I'd never heard anyone use "salad dressing" as a generic way to refer to specifically miracle whip, and expect you to know what in the Hell they are talking about.
 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2019, 01:33:55 PM
don't argue with Mom
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2019, 01:36:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qWaGs9c.jpg)

It is "dressing".
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2019, 01:47:39 PM
not so sure it would be tasty on a lettuce salad
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 30, 2019, 01:48:13 PM
aye, in the deep south you'd be wise to avoid the discussion of mayonnaise... loyalists? yeah... you could say that.  Duke's and JFG are the two camps- and 'salad dressing' aka miracle whip isn't even a mayo.  for the love of all that's holy don't confuse those with a southern lady, else you'll get schooled. 

soda pop... soda... pop... soft drink... even ale is common.  i hear cola more than coke- and of course dew.  always the friggin' 'dew'.  

my wife asked me to bring her the 'cleaner' from under the kitchen sink one day... "which cleaner?" i ask.. THE CLEANER is the response... okay, WHICH CLEANER and Who's on friggin first?  she was asking for the scouring powder, but when i called it that she looked at me as if i had a horn growing out of my head and said with a straight face "it's not 'scouring powder', whatever that is, it's CLEANER".... looked as i may, the box didn't say scouring powder on it- but that is precisely what it is... it 'used' to say it, else somebody is screwing effectively with my head. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 30, 2019, 01:48:17 PM
I'm fine with it being "a" salad dressing. Just not "the" salad dressing.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2019, 01:49:41 PM
tell it to Mom
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 30, 2019, 01:53:19 PM
I’ve never heard Miracle Whip referred to as salad dressing. I have encountered confused souls who tried to pass it off as mayonnaise on a sandwich.

I have discussions with those people immediately as to avoid those uncomfortable situations from ever taking place again.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2019, 01:56:17 PM
I'd like to see that Miracle Whip just go away. It's gross. Like Dr. Pepper, almost.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 30, 2019, 02:01:25 PM
Yeah I had never picked up on that particular idiosyncrasy until adulthood. She favors blue cheese or Italian when eating an actual salad. Yet she was completely mystified that I would think that "salad dressing" might refer to any condiment other than miracle whip. At first I thought that she was just screwing with me, but she has done it consistently ever since.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 30, 2019, 02:26:25 PM
Miracle whip is kind of like Cool Whip, they are unusual substances but strangely useful in very limited circumstances. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2019, 03:26:57 PM
That fact it costs more than mayonnaise strikes me as reason not to buy it.  




PREPARATION



Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2019, 03:28:19 PM
Mayonnaise was invented in 1756 by the French chef of the Duc de Richelieu. After the Duc beat the British at Port Mahon, his chef created a victory feast that was to include a sauce made of cream and eggs. ... The chef named the new sauce "Mahonnaise" in honor of the Duc's victory.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2019, 03:30:51 PM
This creation tale came under assault a couple of generations later from a French gastronome (http://lists.ansteorra.org/pipermail/sca-cooks-ansteorra.org/2006-June/000735.html) who sniffed that Port Mahon was not exactly known for its haute cuisine. He felt Gallic provenance was more likely, and that the sauce might originally have been called bayonnaise after Bayonne, a town famous across Europe for its succulent hams. Other advocates of French authorship suggested the name came from manier, meaning “to handle,” or moyeu, an old French word for yolk. By the 1920s, the Spanish were lashing back: a prominent Madrid chef (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teodoro_Bardají) published a pamphlet calling on his countrymen to reject the phony francophone term mayonnaise in favor of salsa mahonesa.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2019, 03:33:40 PM
Ketchup comes from the Hokkien Chinese word, kê-tsiap, the name of a sauce derived from fermented fish. It is believed that traders brought fish sauce from Vietnam to southeastern China.

The British likely encountered ketchup in Southeast Asia, returned home, and tried to replicate the fermented dark sauce. This probably happened in the late 17th and early 18th centuries as evidenced by a recipe published in 1732 for “Ketchup in Paste,” by Richard Bradley, which referenced “Bencoulin in the East-Indies” as its origin. (See “How a Food Becomes Famous (http://onward.nationalgeographic.com/2014/04/11/how-a-food-becomes-famous/).”)

But this was certainly not the ketchup we would recognize today (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/10/dining/building-respect-for-ketchup.html?pagewanted=all). Most British recipes called for ingredients like mushrooms, walnuts, oysters, or anchovies in an effort to reproduce the savory tastes first encountered in Asia. Mushroom ketchup was even a purported favorite of Jane Austen. These early ketchups were mostly thin and dark, and were often added to soups, sauces, meat and fish. At this point, ketchup lacked one important ingredient.

Wiley partnered with a Pittsburgh man named Henry J. Heinz who had started producing ketchup in 1876. Heinz was also convinced American consumers did not want chemicals in their ketchup. In answer to the benzoate controversy, Heinz developed a recipe that used ripe, red tomatoes—which have more of the natural preservative called pectin than the scraps other manufacturers used—and dramatically increased the amount of vinegar and to reduce risk of spoilage. Heinz began producing preservative-free ketchup, and soon dominated the market. In 1905, the company had sold five million bottles of ketchup.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/food/the-plate/2014/04/21/how-was-ketchup-invented/ (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/food/the-plate/2014/04/21/how-was-ketchup-invented/)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 30, 2019, 03:50:16 PM
Ketchup comes from the Hokkien Chinese word, kê-tsiap, the name of a sauce derived from fermented fish. It is believed that traders brought fish sauce from Vietnam to southeastern China.

The British likely encountered ketchup in Southeast Asia, returned home, and tried to replicate the fermented dark sauce. This probably happened in the late 17th and early 18th centuries as evidenced by a recipe published in 1732 for “Ketchup in Paste,” by Richard Bradley, which referenced “Bencoulin in the East-Indies” as its origin. (See “How a Food Becomes Famous (http://onward.nationalgeographic.com/2014/04/11/how-a-food-becomes-famous/).”)

But this was certainly not the ketchup we would recognize today (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/10/dining/building-respect-for-ketchup.html?pagewanted=all). Most British recipes called for ingredients like mushrooms, walnuts, oysters, or anchovies in an effort to reproduce the savory tastes first encountered in Asia. Mushroom ketchup was even a purported favorite of Jane Austen. These early ketchups were mostly thin and dark, and were often added to soups, sauces, meat and fish. At this point, ketchup lacked one important ingredient.

Wiley partnered with a Pittsburgh man named Henry J. Heinz who had started producing ketchup in 1876. Heinz was also convinced American consumers did not want chemicals in their ketchup. In answer to the benzoate controversy, Heinz developed a recipe that used ripe, red tomatoes—which have more of the natural preservative called pectin than the scraps other manufacturers used—and dramatically increased the amount of vinegar and to reduce risk of spoilage. Heinz began producing preservative-free ketchup, and soon dominated the market. In 1905, the company had sold five million bottles of ketchup.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/food/the-plate/2014/04/21/how-was-ketchup-invented/ (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/food/the-plate/2014/04/21/how-was-ketchup-invented/)

Just don't put it on hot dogs.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 30, 2019, 03:54:43 PM
My i s c & a aggie wife makes her own mayonnaise, it's rather easy and tastes better than every storebought brand.

I know from the commercials that Miracle Whip is called "salad dressing" but even so, I've definitely never heard it uniquely identified that way.  I'd be confused, too.

I don't love Dr. Pepper, but I don't hate it.  Original Coca Cola was always my favorite soft drink, with RC Cola being a close second.  Back in the day, you couldn't find anyone that sold Pepsi around here.  I think it was considered communist.  Now it's more common than it used to be, but still not as prevalent as Coke.  We also have access to a lot of "Mexican Coke" and other "Mexican" soft drinks, which basically means they use cane sugar from the old recipes, rather than HFCS.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2019, 03:58:48 PM
I had a friend who would only drink Mexican Coke.  So, as you might guess, I swapped them out on him once, while I drank regular Coke with HCFC in it instead of cane sugar.  He was lording it over me about how he was drinking the "real stuff" and I settled for that swill.

I showed him the bottle.  He refused to believe me.  I can't tell any difference other than price.

The wife loves Coke.  It's huge in France for whatever reason, and there is no Pepsi anywhere I've seen.  I do own a bit of KO stock, so that good.  Oddly, she doesn't like much ice in her drinks, except she puts ice in Champagne, the real stuff, which used to annoy me a lot.

High end wine making involves a lot of processes to get the water out of wine.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 30, 2019, 04:01:50 PM
Yeah, pretty much all across Europe if you ask for ice in your drink, you're lucky to get one or two cubes.  Or at least, you used to.  It gets a little more Americanized every day.

And ice in Champagne?  Get a rope!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 30, 2019, 04:10:48 PM
Western won. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 30, 2019, 04:15:39 PM
on a 52 yarder with no time on the clock

would have been good from 60, right down the middle
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 30, 2019, 04:18:21 PM
I showed that wasn’t close to being true.
With no context, that info is as useful as a used condom. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2019, 05:12:08 PM
He showed that Ohio State was often leading by a lot at the half and could have rested players in nearly every game had they chosen to do so.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 30, 2019, 05:28:28 PM
He showed that Ohio State was often leading by a lot at the half and could have rested players in nearly every game had they chosen to do so.
They did. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 30, 2019, 05:54:13 PM
Western won.
When I saw this at work I assumed that you meant "Western" Michigan.

Nope. Both teams were "western" directional state schools.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 30, 2019, 06:05:45 PM
When I saw this at work I assumed that you meant "Western" Michigan.

Nope. Both teams were "western" directional state schools.
Yes.

That was the joke.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 30, 2019, 06:06:48 PM
Yes.

That was the joke.
Similarly, I predict that the Tigers who play their home games at Death Valley, will win the CFP championship this year.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2019, 06:36:05 PM
Do they both touch rocks?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 30, 2019, 06:50:41 PM
BS targeting call on Illinois right there. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 30, 2019, 06:52:22 PM
Apparently the memo was throw B1G guys out of the game
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2019, 06:55:55 PM
Can I count Western Kentucky as an SEC win and ignore Miss State?  It makes the numbers look better.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 30, 2019, 07:53:05 PM
Similarly, I predict that the Tigers who play their home games at Death Valley, will win the CFP championship this year.
HA!Ya some brilliant imaginations down yonder but at least Clemson fiqured out Tigers are Orange.Perhaps the hot sauce has the Cajuns seeing purple
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 30, 2019, 07:56:58 PM
FL/VA, a matchup of two ranked teams from two P5 conferences, should excite me a little. But although I'm going to watch it, it just doesn't seem all that exciting this year.

Is it just me?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 30, 2019, 08:12:47 PM
FL/VA, a matchup of two ranked teams from two P5 conferences, should excite me a little. But although I'm going to watch it, it just doesn't seem all that exciting this year.

Is it just me?
Yet another of the most lopsided games you can watch this year. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 30, 2019, 08:13:45 PM
FL/VA, a matchup of two ranked teams from two P5 conferences, should excite me a little. But although I'm going to watch it, it just doesn't seem all that exciting this year.

Is it just me?
No. And it's not 2 P5 teams. One is G5.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 30, 2019, 08:17:29 PM
Yet another of the most lopsided games you can watch this year.
So why is this one so bad? I looked at Wiki and it says it's ACC#1 vs SEC#2...

I'm assuming that this became ACC#2 vs SEC #4 because Clemson and LSU are in the CFP, and Alabama/Georgia are in the NY6?

But because the ACC is so terrible this year, the ACC#2 is FAR inferior to SEC#4?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 30, 2019, 08:18:38 PM
I think the remark is based on the line, what is it +15.5?  That's steep.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 30, 2019, 08:20:11 PM
So why is this one so bad? I looked at Wiki and it says it's ACC#1 vs SEC#2...

I'm assuming that this became ACC#2 vs SEC #4 because Clemson and LSU are in the CFP, and Alabama/Georgia are in the NY6?

But because the ACC is so terrible this year, the ACC#2 is FAR inferior to SEC#4?
UVA was only ranked because the ACCCG would have looked pathetic had they not been, and they played Clemson.

Remember, they lost to Richmond.

They shouldn't even be ranked.

9 vs "24"?  Okay.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 30, 2019, 08:22:56 PM
B1G down to 3-2 :03:
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 30, 2019, 08:28:10 PM
Virginia was ranked 23rd, then lost to Clemson 62-17, and dropped one spot.  This was a case of the committee dishonestly keeping them ranked.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 30, 2019, 08:29:45 PM
I hate Trey Dean.  He got some early PT as a FR, and has gotten worse and worse.

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Trask's throws look weird.  Like overly deliberate.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 30, 2019, 08:32:39 PM
Uh oh. 

QB led with the helmet. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 30, 2019, 08:59:37 PM
That was a hell of a TD by UVA
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 30, 2019, 08:59:51 PM
Holy Cavalier!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 30, 2019, 09:14:20 PM
That looked like a fumble to me.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 30, 2019, 09:18:10 PM
The refs are cheating, right?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 30, 2019, 09:22:22 PM
They're B12 refs so I think they just suck.


Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 30, 2019, 09:28:31 PM
I can see it plausible not to overturn , but if that was called fumble on the field it also would have stood. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 30, 2019, 09:40:34 PM
Is Trask sober?  Not that he's Joe Montana but he seems way off.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 30, 2019, 09:44:46 PM
The wife is all over molly McGrath's hair.  Unless she's going for that look, she says.   The prisms by which we watch television....
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 30, 2019, 09:48:13 PM
I'd just be all over Molly McGrath.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2019, 09:54:31 PM
The Gators look motivated, but not especially good on offense.  Curious game, UVA could make it back.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 30, 2019, 09:57:20 PM
I honestly think the offense would look more in sync, except we can actually run the ball.  Mullen's probably been like, "oh shit, umm, okay, let's change the plan," during the game.  
When a team that hasn't tried to run the ball 3/4 of the season can suddenly do it easily, it messes with you.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 30, 2019, 10:15:46 PM
I'd just be all over Molly McGrath.
Eh. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 30, 2019, 10:46:44 PM
Yeah, pretty blondes willing to stuff their face on camera are lame.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: TyphonInc on December 30, 2019, 10:57:31 PM
Florida players running up saying it wasn't a TD.

Virginia players barely hits the pylon with his left foot while holding the ball out of bounds with his right hand. Did they have a case?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 30, 2019, 11:00:10 PM
Hmmm and now another corner squeaker.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 30, 2019, 11:27:40 PM
Did that just cover the spread? 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 30, 2019, 11:36:43 PM
Very complicated.  Depends when you bet. This line has floated a bit.  14 to 15.5.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 30, 2019, 11:37:28 PM
The UVA td overturned makes these last seconds interesting. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Gigem on December 30, 2019, 11:38:36 PM
Yup.  The Christmas-NYD shutdown is really common in High Tech.  Somewhat less common in other professional fields, and as we've noted before, it's completely missing in manufacturing.

I used to work on Christmas Day back when I was in semiconductor manufacturing. Wafer fabs run 3 shifts and don't ever shut down. That sucked and is one of the many reasons I left semiconductors.
Marcus right after college I worked at Applied Materials in Austin around 2001.That was definitely an eye opener.    

Now I work for a large chemical company and since Christmas and New Years falls midweek if you take 5 days of vacation you get a good chunk of days off since Christmas Eve and New Year’s Eve are considered holidays. That and the 9 80 schedule of every other Friday off. I don’t go back to work until Jan 6th.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 30, 2019, 11:42:40 PM
Marcus right after college I worked at Applied Materials in Austin around 2001.That was definitely an eye opener.   

Now I work for a large chemical company and since Christmas and New Years falls midweek if you take 5 days of vacation you get a good chunk of days off since Christmas Eve and New Year’s Eve are considered holidays. That and the 9 80 schedule of every other Friday off. I don’t go back to work until Jan 6th. 

That's awesome!  Enjoy the long break.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 30, 2019, 11:43:07 PM
Well, no onsides magic tonight.  Game over.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 30, 2019, 11:43:22 PM
Gigem!.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 30, 2019, 11:50:35 PM
We were talking earlier about inconsistencies in rules, and one that I really don't like, is spiking the ball to stop the clock.

Under normal circumstances, throwing the ball directly into the ground, while in the pocket, not passing the ball past the LOS, and with no receivers in sight, is flagged for Intentional Grounding.  Why should it be different all of a sudden when a team wants to stop the clock?  Shouldn't they still be penalized?  

My position is, sure, you can stop the clock if you don't have any timeouts, but you still have to take the penalty yardage along with the loss of down.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 31, 2019, 12:14:20 AM
The TE and RB are automatically in the area.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 31, 2019, 12:20:53 AM
The TE is by definition at the end of the line so nowhere near the ball being thrown into the turf directly behind the center, and the RB is either behind or beside the QB, not directly in front, and neither the TE nor the RB are diving to the ground immediately behind the center awaiting the ball.  So no, they don't meet the criteria.

It's intentional grounding, except for a specific rule that allows for it, and I think that's silly.  I'm all for simplifying the rulebook and removing extraneous and unnecessary rules.

If a team wants to ground the ball to stop the clock, that's fine.  You take the penalty yardage and the loss of down.  Simple and clean.

Alternatively we could just say that the play clock doesn't stop for incomplete passes and be done with it that way.  I'd be fine with that as well.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 31, 2019, 12:27:55 AM
The rule includes "in order to avoid a sack"....
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Gigem on December 31, 2019, 12:44:47 AM
That's awesome!  Enjoy the long break.
Thanks!  Good luck vs the Utes tomorrow. 

These two utes...(in my best joe Pesci voice)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 31, 2019, 12:56:52 AM
The rule includes "in order to avoid a sack"....
It does?  I don't see that in the wording for the NCAA rule, although all I could find was this verbage and description.

https://www.ruletool.info/ncaa-rule-7-snapping-and-passing-the-ball/3/

I (https://www.ruletool.info/ncaa-rule-7-snapping-and-passing-the-ball/3/)t does say things like "to preserve yardage" and additional rules if it's done "to preserve time" but the specific exception is made for the immediate spike.

And I'm saying I don't like that exception.  Why does it exist?  It just adds another line item to an already too complex rulebook.

If you want to save time outs and still stop the clock, then you can take the penalty for grounding. Obviously just my opinion, I simply don't see a need to make a distinction in cases and treat them differently.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on December 31, 2019, 07:19:34 AM
Tuesday (1)

Noon, ESPN
Belk Bowl
Virginia Tech v. Kentucky

In researching the Belk Bowl I've discovered this is the last Belk Bowl.  Belk is dropping out of the bowl, and if the bowl still exists it needs a sponsor, otherwise it's just the the Bowl.  Just saying, the BadgerFan Bowl could be a real thing.  Anyway, this matchup is pretty even on SP, as Kentucky is 37th and Tech is 40th.  This is Bud Foster's last game as Tech's defensive coordinator, and I haven't gotten to watch Kentucky all season but am kind of curious about their single wing offense.  If you didn't know, they basically put a running back in as their quarterback, did away with most passing, and beat the hell out of Louisville with their QB going 1-2 for 4 yards passing and running for 284 yards.

2 pm, CBS
Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl
Florida State v. Arizona State

For the life of me I find these teams completely boring.  They are bother pretty average, unexciting, FSU has no coach, and I'm not interested in the Herm show.  So this game exists, for what it's worth.  BTW, why can't Norvell coach the team?  Is it a rule somewhere?  Contract? He didn't coach Memphis and he isn't coaching FSU.  I remember OSU had this situation with Urban Meyer, but I don't remember why.  The most interesting thing about this game is that they are being sponsored by a mascot.  Will the mascot show up and hang out with the other mascots?

3:45 pm, ESPN
Autozone Liberty Bowl
Navy v. Kansas State

Get your triple option dose today with Navy against a decent K State squad.  I like watching both of these teams, and they both love to run so we might get this one over in under two hours. An efficient afternoon of football.

4:30 pm, CBSSN
Nova Home Loans Arizona Bowl
Wyoming v. Georgia State

One of those day after Christmas bowls snuck in today.

7:30 pm, ESPN
Valero Alama Bowl
Utah v. Texas

Texas is becoming OSU South, as Tom Herman, Chris Ash, and apparently Mike Yurcich (replacing Tim Beck) are all on board.  They will give putting together a coherent defense a good go next season, and maybe one day we don't have to have Oklahoma in the playoff.  Until then, we'll watch them tonight against a pretty good Utah team that does have a coherent defense.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 31, 2019, 08:39:58 AM
BadgerFan Bowl... Thanks for the morning chuckle. Heh.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 31, 2019, 09:05:13 AM
I see a CFB51 Bowl in our future.

Otherwise, a Mrs. Badgerfan Bowl.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 31, 2019, 10:20:06 AM
can we assign the officiating crew to "our" bowl game?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 31, 2019, 10:56:50 AM
It does?  I don't see that in the wording for the NCAA rule, although all I could find was this verbage and description.

https://www.ruletool.info/ncaa-rule-7-snapping-and-passing-the-ball/3/

I (https://www.ruletool.info/ncaa-rule-7-snapping-and-passing-the-ball/3/)t does say things like "to preserve yardage" and additional rules if it's done "to preserve time" but the specific exception is made for the immediate spike.

And I'm saying I don't like that exception.  Why does it exist?  It just adds another line item to an already too complex rulebook.

If you want to save time outs and still stop the clock, then you can take the penalty for grounding. Obviously just my opinion, I simply don't see a need to make a distinction in cases and treat them differently.
I like the rule because when I am a neutral fan it keeps games interesting longer.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 31, 2019, 11:02:14 AM
I seem to recall 30 years ago you had to throw it OB or something to stop the clock.  At times today, a QB just sort of pushes the ball down, it's not even a throwing motion.

I'm waiting for that to bounce off his foot and be INT'd.

I wonder if we could have a rule that an extra time out is a 15 yard penalty with no LOD.



Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 31, 2019, 11:31:51 AM
I think the Utes roll tonight.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 31, 2019, 11:34:37 AM
spiking the ball to stop the clock is like most other rules, designed to promote offense and more points on the board
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 31, 2019, 11:42:32 AM
spiking the ball to stop the clock is like most other rules, designed to promote offense and more points on the board
But it does not just favor the offense it also favors that team that is behind.  That keeps games interesting longer.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 31, 2019, 11:49:45 AM
spiking the ball to stop the clock is like most other rules, designed to promote offense and more points on the board
Yup.  Which is one reason I want it gone.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 31, 2019, 11:54:32 AM
I vaguely recall that the old rule was "vague".  A QB would quickly throw a ball OB over a WR's head to stop the clock.  Sometimes grounding would be called, I think.  I didn't know this, interesting.

In Canadian football (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_football), spike plays are legal but very rare. This is mainly because a final play is always run whenever the game clock expires while the ball is dead, rendering spike plays unnecessary. Also, the offense in Canadian football only receives three downs instead of four.

This strategy for stopping the clock became legal in the early 1990s and has become standard operating procedure around the league since. It is a legal form of intentional grounding, since the quarterback is not looking to avoid a sack and immediately throws the ball to the ground after taking the snap.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 31, 2019, 12:05:33 PM
I think we should look at the intent of intentional grounding.  It clearly states in the rules, that it's intended to prevent Team A from gaining an advantage from lost yardage, or from lost time, by throwing a pass that is clearly not intended for a receiver.  However the spike rule is a special allowance, which is deliberately counter to those intentions, despite the fact that it's a pass that is clearly not intended for a receiver.

I simply want to get rid of the extra exception, make the rule consistent.  I don't like such inconsistencies in the rules across the board, and I'm in favor of eliminating them and simplifying the game.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 31, 2019, 12:17:06 PM
There really is no penalty for intentional grounding versus being sacked, and the clock stops, which can be desirable.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 31, 2019, 12:34:46 PM
I'd like to see ALL intentional grounding called

this outside of the tackle and ball thrown to the LOS is BULL!@#$

it's very intentional

try to make a play or get called

I think they are just trying to protect the QB and of course reward the offense to score more points
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 31, 2019, 12:42:45 PM
There really is no penalty for intentional grounding versus being sacked, and the clock stops, which can be desirable.


In the NFL I believe it's 10 yards, or the would-be sack yardage?  Don't recall exactly.  It's not often called.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 31, 2019, 12:45:21 PM
So apparently Kentucky’s QB punched a VT DL before the game but it wasn’t within an hour of kickoff so they didn’t boot him.

Already a couple of penalties on both teams for jawing.  Wouldn’t be surprised to see cheap shots before this one is over.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 31, 2019, 02:02:24 PM
I'd like to see ALL intentional grounding called

this outside of the tackle and ball thrown to the LOS is BULL!@#$

it's very intentional

try to make a play or get called

I think they are just trying to protect the QB and of course reward the offense to score more points
Throwing the ball away is what good QBs do.  They're taught that from a young age.  And you just want to reverse that?  Force the ball into a bad spot!  Risk untold interceptions!  
.
Crabby old man talk.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on December 31, 2019, 02:15:10 PM
throw it away in the field of play, out of the endzone, near the sideline

don't simply pitch it in the 14th row because your play sucked
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 31, 2019, 02:18:43 PM
Throwing the ball away is what good QBs do.  They're taught that from a young age.  And you just want to reverse that?  Force the ball into a bad spot!  Risk untold interceptions! 
.
Crabby old man talk.
Throwing it away is what good QBs do because it's allowed by the rules.

Originally, incomplete passes were turnovers.  So things could be a lot worse for the QB...

As for the final comment, yeah, crabby old man talk for sure.  From both Fearless AND myself. :)

But we all have things we'd like to change about the game.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 31, 2019, 02:19:36 PM
In Tucson for New Year’s. Using family friend’s giveaway tickets to attend Arizona Bowl. Kickoff in 2 hours. Having a drink just off campus. Wyoming Vs Georgia St. Lots more Wyoming fans prowling about.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 31, 2019, 02:23:54 PM
After every incomplete pass the new LOS is from where the QB threw it.

Genius, right? Am I right?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 31, 2019, 02:27:34 PM
After every incomplete pass the new LOS is from where the QB threw it.

Genius, right? Am I right?
Interesting indeed.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 31, 2019, 02:41:04 PM

But we all have things we'd like to change about the game. 
True, yet we love the game.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 31, 2019, 02:50:50 PM
Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl?  At least its sunny.  The field at Belk Bowl is dog sh.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 31, 2019, 02:53:03 PM
True, yet we love the game.
Indeed.  Only reason any of us keep coming back to this joint.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 31, 2019, 02:55:15 PM
Jayhawks logo at Phog Allen is jealous of Tony the Tiger logo at Sun Bowl.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 31, 2019, 02:57:18 PM
Beth Mowins is dressed like she is going on a nature hike immediately following the game.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 31, 2019, 03:04:58 PM
Better she wear that vs a pantsuit. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 31, 2019, 03:18:35 PM
Bud Foster’s last series of his career sees his defense give up an 18 play, 85 yard drive that chews up 8:10 and a GW TD to converted WR playing QB.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on December 31, 2019, 03:26:06 PM
And my buddy just texted me saying UK’s scoop and score on the last play of the game allowed them to cover the spread.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 31, 2019, 03:37:51 PM
Seems like y'all started drinking early this morning...
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 31, 2019, 03:45:36 PM
I just had a Live Oak Primus weizenbock.  I waited until 2 PM local time to start.  But at 8% abv, if I keep this up, I'm not going to make it to midnight.  I won't even make it to UT's kickoff... :party0036:
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 31, 2019, 03:51:42 PM
I almost had to kick UK out of the SEC, but they saved themselves with their late antics.  Now I can claim they just thrashed the third best team in the ACC.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on December 31, 2019, 03:54:33 PM
Bowden is so damn good. 

Also, the bowl designed for me is beginning. We've already had a speed option. God bless. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 31, 2019, 03:55:33 PM
And my buddy just texted me saying UK’s scoop and score on the last play of the game allowed them to cover the spread.
Not true.  UK was 2pt dog.  Their td to take the lead gave them the cover.  The scoop n score was window dressing, or miracle whip.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 31, 2019, 03:56:55 PM
I dig the alt ksu attire, particularly opposite the Navy look today.  Smart look.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 31, 2019, 03:57:29 PM
Indeed.  Only reason any of us keep coming back to this joint.
Meh. I think if football went away, this joint would still be here. We're beyond football by this time. We even have our own cookbook. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 31, 2019, 03:58:51 PM
Beth Mowins is dressed like she is going on a nature hike immediately following the game.
It would be nice if she would take a hike...
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 31, 2019, 04:04:59 PM
Is she the lady announcer in the UK game?  I would ask how she got that job, her voice is unappealing, to me.  I didn't see her on camera.

I wanted to mute the sound.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 31, 2019, 04:10:41 PM
Meh. I think if football went away, this joint would still be here. We're beyond football by this time. We even have our own cookbook.
Why don't we have our own cookbook? Use the proceeds to fund the site? 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on December 31, 2019, 04:30:43 PM
Is she the lady announcer in the UK game?  I would ask how she got that job, her voice is unappealing, to me.  I didn't see her on camera.

I wanted to mute the sound.
Spent 20-plus years working up to it. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 31, 2019, 04:38:40 PM
Which one of you is the best cook? Worst?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 31, 2019, 04:46:55 PM
She's done pbp of all types since the 90s on espn.  Was their regular for vball until they nabbed Sunderland who is fantastic. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 31, 2019, 04:59:02 PM
Meh. I think if football went away, this joint would still be here. We're beyond football by this time. We even have our own cookbook.
Heh, amen brutha! :)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 31, 2019, 05:16:12 PM
Which one of you is the best cook? Worst?
You tryin' to start a fightin' war, Brutus?

I don't know who is the best. I suspect that there are certain dishes that each of us make better than anyone else on the board. And I'm sure there are some who are better cooks (i.e. better at execution), while others are better at actually creating/conceiving recipes. So I don't know who is the best. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 31, 2019, 05:20:20 PM
I'm by no means a great chef, but I do make things that are pretty good.  I made a shrimp sautee the other night that I liked a lot, it's simple, as is most of my stuff because I raised three kids and I had to get'er dun.

I served it over fresh linguini noodles and the wife liked it a lot.  I find some green garnish helps a LOT of dishes, I usually use green onion.  I like spaghetti a lot and fix that a lot, and it's pretty good if I bother with fresh noodles, I like angle hair.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on December 31, 2019, 05:21:37 PM
I find the 80-20 ground chuck is best for burgers.  I try and let the meat come near RT and then sear the heck out of them.  The wife likes hers blu rare.  Meh.

I usually don't serve on a bun.  Cast iron works pretty well for this, and it works on an inductive stove.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 31, 2019, 05:29:28 PM
I find the 80-20 ground chuck is best for burgers.  I try and let the meat come near RT and then sear the heck out of them.  The wife likes hers blu rare.  Meh.

I usually don't serve on a bun.  Cast iron works pretty well for this, and it works on an inductive stove.
I mix chuck roast and brisket point through the grinder. The point allows you to calibrate how much fat you want. 

Generally for burgers they say that you shouldn't eat them at lower temps. The bacteria that is most likely to get you sick would be on the surface of meat, so a steak can be cooked rare/med-rare mostly safely. But once you grind meat, that bacteria goes throughout, so you have to cook it to a higher temp to be safe.

Thus the additional fat helps you to cook it to a hotter temperature but retain the juiciness that you'd get otherwise.

IMHO 80/20 is still a little leaner than I'd like for burgers. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 31, 2019, 05:33:47 PM
The French get so much right about cooking, but they're pretty much lost when it comes to grilling beef, which includes burgers.

Blu doesn't work for burgers.  It also doesn't work for the normal crappy quality of beef they get in France, but it definitely doesn't work for burgers.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 31, 2019, 05:46:47 PM
Speaking of food, menu tonight,  tomato cucumber salad w some delish vinaigrette wife makes,  Hasselbeck potatoes, king crab legs, dry aged strip steak, and my wife's almond cake.  

Plenty of booze and drink.  My kids are at a sleepover.  I suspect my Dad will clean out some of the scotch.  Mom likes her Woodford neat.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 31, 2019, 05:58:07 PM
We have the kids tonight... We've had them since Christmas Day, and will give them back to their mom tomorrow at noon. 

But we're going for a much more fancy dinner than we typically do with them. Surf & turf (tri tip and shrimp), with grilled asparagus, and a monkey bread that my eldest will be making. Gotta get him started young.

And speaking of cooking, I'd be remiss not to mention my Christmas gift from my wife--a 270 mm carbon steel gyuto, hand-forged by a blacksmith in Japan. It's amazing...

(https://images.yswcdn.com/-6709878151531560371-ql-85/800/600/ay/chefknivestogo/tanaka-damascus-gyuto-270mm-55.png)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 31, 2019, 05:59:24 PM
Nice.   What are Hasselbeck potatoes?  I've seen two mentions this week, and don't believe I'd ever heard of them before.



Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 31, 2019, 06:00:16 PM
Awesome knife bwar!  Really beautiful!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 31, 2019, 06:11:57 PM
The Sun and Liberty Bowls look exactly as they did 30 years ago
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 31, 2019, 06:43:05 PM
I just had a Live Oak Primus weizenbock. 
Dayum those dark Hefe's sound w-a-a-ay better than the holiday ales.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 31, 2019, 06:54:14 PM
Dayum those dark Hefe's sound w-a-a-ay better than the holiday ales.
They're all good.  I always go booze-free in January, so this is my last hurrah.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on December 31, 2019, 07:20:03 PM
Well send your stash up this way - you know the sell by date and all that
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 31, 2019, 07:27:11 PM
Ha!

No stash left, really.  Been bleeding it down since Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 31, 2019, 08:26:16 PM
Nice.  What are Hasselbeck potatoes?  I've seen two mentions this week, and don't believe I'd ever heard of them before.




They're pretty attractive and reeeeally conservative.  :86:
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on December 31, 2019, 08:33:25 PM
Navy-KState was fun. Two 11-win option teams this year. Bowden put on a show. 

Not a bad set of outcomes.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 31, 2019, 08:41:53 PM
I think the Utes roll tonight.
Or not.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on December 31, 2019, 10:22:43 PM
Haven't seen Bevo look this good in years.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on December 31, 2019, 10:32:52 PM
Haven't seen Bevo look this good in years.
Tom Herman in bowls my man
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 31, 2019, 11:51:13 PM
Or not.
Lulz
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 31, 2019, 11:51:41 PM
Tom Herman in bowls my man
If only all games could be bowl games!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on December 31, 2019, 11:52:56 PM
They're pretty attractive and reeeeally conservative.  :86:
LOL!  I've seen that chick, wasn't she on Survivor?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2020, 12:25:08 AM
I’m the worst cook. I admit it. I stumble into something good once in a while but it’s an accident.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2020, 08:01:44 AM
I'm SO confused about the bowl schedule this year, I presume this happens when NYD is a Wednesday.  We had the Orange Bowl about a month ago it seems, and the Cotton Bowl was before that, now we get the Rose and Sugar today, I think, along with some other decent bowls.  The NC game is apparently in February or something.

Don't like it.

How can a NY6 bowl game be played last week?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2020, 08:12:08 AM
New Year's

1 pm, ESPN
Outback Bowl
Minnesota v. Auburn

The one bowl game my wife is interested in, because we got a Bloomin Onion at Outback.  If I have to eat at Outback, it's the one time I'm rotting for the SEC over the Big Ten, because the Bloomin Onion is much preferable to Coconut Shrimp.  In any event here come the Fleckstones trying to conquer Auburn.  Auburn has been limited on offense all year, but they do play some pretty strong defense, so Minnesota will probably need some big plays by their receivers to move the ball.

1 pm, ABC
VRBO Citrus Bowl
Michigan v. Alabama

Michigan in a bowl game - what could go wrong?  At least this year, no one expects a lot from them, so maybe that will lead to some positive mojo.  Alabama was one of the strongest teams in the country this year, and dropped to this spot mostly because people were tired of their asses.  So they drop on top of Michigan, who will get whomped if they don't show some improvement in defending the run game.

5 pm, ESPN
Rose Bowl Game Presented by Northwest Mutual
Oregon v. Wisconsin

Time to say goodbye to some great players in Jonathan Taylor and Justin Herbert.  This good be a fun game to watch, both teams love to play physical on both sides of the ball.  A few years ago you would have thought it was crazy that Oregon would line up and play smash mouth football, but here we are and I'm here for it.

8:45, ESPN
AllState Sugar Bowl
Georgia v. Baylor

Hey, it's disappointed Georgia against a motivated Big 12 squad.  The prime factors here involve the NFL.  Both Matt Rhule and Jake Fromm have big decisions to make, and both could really impact the teams next year.  Not sure what to expect from this tonight - Georgia has loads of talent but hasn't been able to get an offense going, and Baylor has been a scrappy bunch this close to being in the playoffs.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2020, 08:21:11 AM
Auburn 19  Minnesota 17
Michigan 27  Alabama 23  let the excuses rain and reign
Wisconsin 33  Oregon 13
Baylor 24  UGA 13

I've already exhausted my excuses for that last one but am dreaming up more, the time zone change affected the Dawgs for example is my best one.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on January 01, 2020, 10:16:55 AM
Is this the best slate of NYD games in the CFP era in a year where the semis weren't on NYD?  I think it has to be
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 10:30:41 AM
A function of two fewer games perhaps,  but no doubt a nice slate.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2020, 10:31:11 AM
We have the kids tonight... We've had them since Christmas Day, and will give them back to their mom tomorrow at noon.

But we're going for a much more fancy dinner than we typically do with them. Surf & turf (tri tip and shrimp), with grilled asparagus, and a monkey bread that my eldest will be making. Gotta get him started young.

And speaking of cooking, I'd be remiss not to mention my Christmas gift from my wife--a 270 mm carbon steel gyuto, hand-forged by a blacksmith in Japan. It's amazing...

(https://images.yswcdn.com/-6709878151531560371-ql-85/800/600/ay/chefknivestogo/tanaka-damascus-gyuto-270mm-55.png)
I really like your wife. THAT is nice.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2020, 10:34:21 AM
We did he same thing last night as last year, go to our favorite French restaurant near us.  They had a $69 pre fixe three course which was good, but with wine got pricey.

https://www.mtckitchen.com/japanese-knives/style/gyuto-chefs-knife/ (https://www.mtckitchen.com/japanese-knives/style/gyuto-chefs-knife/)

The Gyuto is the Japanese version of the classic Western chef's knife but the blade tends to be thinner and holds a sharper edge. It is the ultimate multipurpose knife that is probably the most popular style of knife among professionals as well as home cooks. Use it for chopping, mincing and slicing meat, fish, vegetables and fruit.

https://www.amazon.com/Traditional-Japanese-Professional-Gyuto-Kitchen/dp/B078WM9N69/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=gyuto+knife&qid=1577892880&s=books&sr=1-1-catcorr (https://www.amazon.com/Traditional-Japanese-Professional-Gyuto-Kitchen/dp/B078WM9N69/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=gyuto+knife&qid=1577892880&s=books&sr=1-1-catcorr)

This one is only $40, probably not nearly the best of course, I've seen them in the thousands, but $40 I can manage
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2020, 10:35:15 AM
Tour of Italy Chef’s Table
 
New Year’s Eve, 2019
 
MENU
 
Vittelo Tonnato
Quenelle of Tuna, Crispy Capers, Arugula, Parmigiano-Reggiano
La Marca Prosecco, Prosecco, Italia
 
Minestra di Pesce Siciliano
Lobster, Scallop, Shrimp
Tenuta Guado al Tasso Vermentino Bolgheri, Toscana, Italia
 
Ravioli di Pesce Pisane
Lobster, Shrimp, Pecorino-Romano, Truffle Cream Sauce
Proprieta Sperino Rosa del Rosa, Lessona, Italia
 
Sorbetto Al Limone
Lemon Sorbet
 
spigola alla griglia Livornese
Sea Bass, Potato Puree, Asparagus, Roasted Red Pepper Sauce
Tomaiolo Chianti Classico Riserva, Toscana, Italia
 
Cannoli di Siciliano
from Barrington, IL
Roscato Rosso Dolce, Trento, Italia
 
 
Happy New Year 2020!!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2020, 10:35:52 AM
That is what I made last night. Came out really good. Cannoli's were store-bought...
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2020, 10:38:51 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/hLecPuR.png)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 01, 2020, 12:36:39 PM
That is what I made last night. Came out really good. Cannoli's were store-bought...
Amazing!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2020, 01:02:30 PM
Our plan was to go out to our favorite restaurant last night but on the way I had to stop at my sister’s and drop off a book my mom was loaning her.

We get to her house and her and her bf were making wings, cheese dip, and appetizers and just staying in for the night.  They offered us a glass of wine and the next thing you know one glass is two and then we’ll eat our appetizers there instead of the restaurant and all of a sudden steaks are on the grill. Needless to say we never made it to the restaurant but had a really good time.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on January 01, 2020, 01:03:09 PM
Rose Bowl parade done.  Here we go.

GO BLUE!!!!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on January 01, 2020, 01:06:03 PM
Our plan was to go out to our favorite restaurant last night but on the way I had to stop at my sister’s and drop off a book my mom was loaning her.

We get to her house and her and her bf were making wings, cheese dip, and appetizers and just staying in for the night.  They offered us a glass of wine and the next thing you know one glass is two and then we’ll eat our appetizers there instead of the restaurant and all of a sudden steaks are on the grill. Needless to say we never made it to the restaurant but had a really good time.
Sounds like a great time, I love it when things just come together organically.

We went to a nice restuarant and had a great meal with family and friends, then hung at my brother's house until about 11:15. The kids were pretty tired and wanted to go home, so we did, and watched some Dick Clark's and the ball re-drop, toasted Champagne at midnight, and was in bed by 12:05.  Good times!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2020, 01:12:21 PM
Welp
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on January 01, 2020, 01:13:08 PM
Oh boy.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2020, 01:13:17 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 01:14:57 PM
Jeudy causes problems. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: TyphonInc on January 01, 2020, 01:16:33 PM
2 series in this and it feels like a name you score for Alabama type game.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2020, 01:22:32 PM
Bama seems to be angry.

Check that, Saban seems angry. Ha.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 01, 2020, 01:26:44 PM
Menu is Insta-pot/crock-pot pork and sauerkraut, nothing really fancy.

Here is my shirt for today, On Wisconsin, Ski-U-Mah, Go . . .
I can't. Roll Tide.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2020, 01:27:56 PM
Minnie looks pretty good against Auburn so far.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2020, 01:29:14 PM
Auburn muffed punt, like Texas did once.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2020, 01:37:47 PM
Nice drive running the ball there. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: TyphonInc on January 01, 2020, 01:42:26 PM
Oh weird. I just let a little 'yes' slip out under my breath when TTUN scored. I think it's more hating 'bama than liking their opponent, or conference pride, etc.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on January 01, 2020, 01:42:51 PM
Ya if M can keep within one score that's a moral victory,gotta hang onto that
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 01:44:02 PM
Oh weird. I just let a little 'yes' slip out under my breath when TTUN scored. I think it's more hating 'bama than liking their opponent, or conference pride, etc.
You should take something for that.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2020, 01:44:28 PM
They have run the ball on Bama this far.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 01:52:25 PM
So I was thinking about the whole, didn't care aspect of bowl upsets. When there's reporting behind it, it makes sense, but it's often just a rorschach test. Something surprises, we read into it reasons that go beyond, "That other team might be good" and "CFB is random."

So today, lets look at the games. Who has the most "not into it factor":
-Michigan had a way disappointing year, but Bama was closer to a playoff spot. I guess Bama, though it seems even.
-Minnesota was a game from a division title. Auburn was out of it much earlier. Minnesota has the edge, Thus Auburn win gets the Minnesota "did't have the energy because it was playing for something bigger."
-Rose Bowl: Oregon was one dumb upset away from being the first team left out of the playoff, a mighty honor. I'll say UW is unfortunately in the no-win situation of this excuse-making process, but a UW fan wouldn't care as Rose Bowl
-Baylor was one win from the playoff. Georgia was probably also, but in a much sadder way. Give this to Baylor since they had a chance. When UGA wins, the Bears just couldn't get up for it as they'd played much more meaningful games.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on January 01, 2020, 01:57:30 PM
Yep. And they call it "Coke" when they order it.
Now it sounds like you're talking about Texans, at least from what I remember of the rambles of Hooky/CharleyHorse.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 02:00:46 PM
Nice acrobatics. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on January 01, 2020, 02:01:59 PM
This is true hereabouts.  "Coke" means soft drink.  Rum and coke could be rum and Canada Dry.
Don't the folks "thereabouts" call it "Co-Cola"?  They did when/where I lived in Alabama 50 years ago.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 02:10:44 PM
ESPN lost a paddle on that commercial break.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on January 01, 2020, 02:14:37 PM
We were talking earlier about inconsistencies in rules, and one that I really don't like, is spiking the ball to stop the clock.

Under normal circumstances, throwing the ball directly into the ground, while in the pocket, not passing the ball past the LOS, and with no receivers in sight, is flagged for Intentional Grounding.  Why should it be different all of a sudden when a team wants to stop the clock?  Shouldn't they still be penalized? 

My position is, sure, you can stop the clock if you don't have any timeouts, but you still have to take the penalty yardage along with the loss of down.
Doesn't intentional grounding also include "in order to avoid a sack"?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2020, 02:17:09 PM
Don't the folks "thereabouts" call it "Co-Cola"?  They did when/where I lived in Alabama 50 years ago.
My grandparents did, from east rural GA.  Always thought it was funny.  
Also, still never got a solid reply on why people put peanuts in their 'Co-Cola'.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on January 01, 2020, 02:18:10 PM
It does?  I don't see that in the wording for the NCAA rule, although all I could find was this verbage and description.

https://www.ruletool.info/ncaa-rule-7-snapping-and-passing-the-ball/3/

I (https://www.ruletool.info/ncaa-rule-7-snapping-and-passing-the-ball/3/)t does say things like "to preserve yardage" and additional rules if it's done "to preserve time" but the specific exception is made for the immediate spike.

And I'm saying I don't like that exception.  Why does it exist?  It just adds another line item to an already too complex rulebook.

If you want to save time outs and still stop the clock, then you can take the penalty for grounding. Obviously just my opinion, I simply don't see a need to make a distinction in cases and treat them differently.
The "to preserve yardage" part means the same thing as "to avoid a sack."
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2020, 02:20:05 PM
I attended that 1988 Hall of Fame Bowl - Bama vs UM.  I kept the program for a long time.  Cheered for Alabama back then, and their good RB, Bobby Humphrey.

I drew a lot back then, so liked the animated mascots.  Never found it odd back then, but looking at it now, why a pink elephant?  Weird.

(https://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/football/bowls/bowlpix/hof88prog.jpg)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2020, 02:25:09 PM
Wtf? Michigan boned on a truly terrible roughing the passer called that should have been called intentional grounding. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 02:25:16 PM
Maybe he's tanning in Tampa?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: TyphonInc on January 01, 2020, 02:26:22 PM
Wtf? Michigan boned on a truly terrible roughing the passer called that should have been called intentional grounding.
I agree. Booth is saying you can no longer 'drive a player to the ground. ' wtf??? What is this rule? Is it really 2 hand touch now? 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2020, 02:27:42 PM
Wtf? Michigan boned on a truly terrible roughing the passer called that should have been called intentional grounding.
Nah, can’t drive them in the ground like that.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 02:27:49 PM
That has been called on Sundays, have they flagged that on college teams absent a head shot?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2020, 02:32:36 PM
(https://i.etsystatic.com/8250252/r/il/0ed5e9/1602970032/il_570xN.1602970032_9oon.jpg)


Wow, some of you guys need to take these off and enjoy the games.  For real.
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No, you cannot drive a guy into the ground anymore - that's been a thing for years. 
No, it's not always intentional grounding.
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Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 02:33:20 PM
Gophers trying to set records for TDs reversed on replay review.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ncbuck71 on January 01, 2020, 02:35:49 PM
Amazing TD catch by the Gophers.  Their running game and OL has dominated Auburn.  It has been fun to watch.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 01, 2020, 02:36:44 PM
Minnesota doing the conference proud so far.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on January 01, 2020, 02:47:28 PM
(https://i.etsystatic.com/8250252/r/il/0ed5e9/1602970032/il_570xN.1602970032_9oon.jpg)


Wow, some of you guys need to take these off and enjoy the games.  For real.
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No, you cannot drive a guy into the ground anymore - that's been a thing for years. 
No, it's not always intentional grounding.
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Jesus Christ.
Big Ten Fans bitching about Big Ten things on a Big Ten Board - who'd thunk it.Not everyone gets to line up against Virginia after all
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: RestingB!tchFace on January 01, 2020, 02:48:43 PM
Minnesota doing the conference proud so far.

My Gophers are certainly looking like the far superior team so far.  A 4th & 5 converted for a TD and a kick return for a TD have kept Auburn in the game.

Michigan is playing really well too.  Not many had the Big Ten teams winning these games.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on January 01, 2020, 02:50:46 PM
Keep on keeping on
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2020, 02:54:21 PM
Nah, can’t drive them in the ground like that.
I don't know what that means. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2020, 02:58:03 PM
[img width=273.429 height=310 alt=Image result for big ten glasses]https://i.etsystatic.com/8250252/r/il/0ed5e9/1602970032/il_570xN.1602970032_9oon.jpg[/img]


Wow, some of you guys need to take these off and enjoy the games.  For real.
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No, you cannot drive a guy into the ground anymore - that's been a thing for years. 
No, it's not always intentional grounding.
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Jesus Christ.
Lol the for the rule to apply, the pass has to obviously be away AND he has to land on the player. Neither of those happened. Geez just admit that sometimes the refs bone a call. I'm not into constantly blaming the refs for things but this wasn't close and changed the game.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: GopherRock on January 01, 2020, 02:59:01 PM
Hey all. Just checking in quickly from my hotel by the Rome airport. Been a great two weeks here in Italy on our honeymoon. Badge and I will have to talk Italian food and the cooking thereof. Nice to see the Gophers are getting the better of the action despite the replay booth. RTB
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2020, 03:05:11 PM
I don't know what that means.
It’s another rule that makes it hard to play defense.  But if a pass rusher hits and wraps up a QB he basically can’t fall on him with all his weight.

Easier said than done. But as soon as I saw the replay I knew Hutchinson was getting flagged.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2020, 03:07:48 PM
It’s another rule that makes it hard to play defense.  But if a pass rusher hits and wraps up a QB he basically can’t fall on him with all his weight.

Easier said than done. But as soon as I saw the replay I knew Hutchinson was getting flagged.
But he didn't fall on him
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 01, 2020, 03:09:34 PM
I was concerned for Michigan at the half. Very similar to tOSU's situation at the half a few days ago. Dominating the game, more yards, more 1st downs, twice as many scoring drives . . . But only up 16-14.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: TyphonInc on January 01, 2020, 03:12:44 PM
I've seen and understand the rule of not driving a player into the ground, but didn't know it had been expanded to landing on the guy.

I've seen that type of play (landing on the QB) not get called, especially if the player hopes right back up.

16-14 half time score, where have I seen that recently?

I seriously doubt I'm Homer calling a game for TTUN. I mean I dislike 'bama also.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: TyphonInc on January 01, 2020, 03:13:30 PM
How was that not called targeting???
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2020, 03:14:14 PM
This is the 2nd time someone's said "hey, let us be wrong and push a false narrative in our corner of the internet and stop being a buzzkill."
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No.  NO!  
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If the UM player let up, roughing wouldn't have been called.  If there was no WR in the area, grounding would be called.  Sorry/Not sorry that I'm holding you accountable on a silly football forum.  I can't help but wonder if you're this slanted on something so trivial, is your process similar on more important topics?  
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When your finger gets caught in the door, it didn't bite you.  What you're doing is like a kid giving agency to inanimate objects.  The refs aren't looking for ways to screw up.  They're not pro-team A or anti-team B.  UM isn't the good guys and Bama the bad guys.
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Having a shared reality is important.  Let's share.  Get out of the bubble.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2020, 03:14:58 PM
But he didn't fall on him
Yeah he did. What made that particular play look worse was when Hutchinson fell on him the crown of his helmet sort of came up under Jones’ facemask. It almost pushed Jones’ helmet off of his head.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2020, 03:16:05 PM
Yeah he did. What made that particular play look worse was when Hutchinson fell on him the crown of his helmet sort of came up under Jones’ facemask. It almost pushed Jones’ helmet off of his head.
This is a lost cause.  We can't even agree if he landed on  him.  it's a sickness.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2020, 03:19:59 PM
FWIW, I just caught the very tail end of the replay on targeting and that looked like targeting to me. Looked like he launched.

Also, I thought the pass the UM kid caught should have been called incomplete. I didn’t think he completed the catch.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2020, 03:23:08 PM
Slightly off target throw by Jones? Give me a break McElroy. That was a great throw. Ruggs should have had that.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 01, 2020, 03:23:25 PM
This morning was biscuits and gravy. Just dropped off the kids, and we can be lazy and watch football after a week+ of entertaining, Christmas prep, parties/etc... 

Of course , "lazy" means pulled pork nachos and pizza pretzels :72:
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2020, 03:23:33 PM
https://twitter.com/DavidRNoe/status/1212455994363666444?s=19

Hopefully that embeds properly. He doesn't actually land on him with his full body weight. This is both clear and obvious. I understand why the ref boned the call. But it got boned.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2020, 03:24:53 PM
This is the 2nd time someone's said "hey, let us be wrong and push a false narrative in our corner of the internet and stop being a buzzkill."
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No.  NO! 
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If the UM player let up, roughing wouldn't have been called.  If there was no WR in the area, grounding would be called.  Sorry/Not sorry that I'm holding you accountable on a silly football forum.  I can't help but wonder if you're this slanted on something so trivial, is your process similar on more important topics? 
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When your finger gets caught in the door, it didn't bite you.  What you're doing is like a kid giving agency to inanimate objects.  The refs aren't looking for ways to screw up.  They're not pro-team A or anti-team B.  UM isn't the good guys and Bama the bad guys.
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Having a shared reality is important.  Let's share.  Get out of the bubble.
Learn the rules and then come at me. I didn't say there was a conspiracy. I said the refs boned the call. Which they absolutely did.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2020, 03:28:42 PM
https://twitter.com/DavidRNoe/status/1212455994363666444?s=19

Hopefully that embeds properly. He doesn't actually land on him with his full body weight. This is both clear and obvious. I understand why the ref boned the call. But it got boned.
I don’t know what to tell you. To me, it looks pretty clear that all is weight is pretty much coming down on Jones’ head and neck area.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2020, 03:29:40 PM
I don’t know what to tell you. To me, it looks pretty clear that all is weight is pretty much coming down on Jones’ head and neck area.
👌
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on January 01, 2020, 03:30:08 PM
How was that not called targeting???
If you're talking about the Bama guy launching into the Michigan guy's head as he was going down on the far sideline, I wondered that myself.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on January 01, 2020, 03:31:13 PM
So a far more blatant targeting that OSU got flagged for gets ignored, followed immediately by Ronnie Bell getting credit for a catch with far less control than what the Clemson WR got called incomplete
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2020, 03:32:02 PM
So a far more blatant targeting that OSU got flagged for gets ignored, followed immediately by Ronnie Bell getting credit for a catch with far less control than what the Clemson WR got called incomplete
Never mention the refs. That's not what message boards are for
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on January 01, 2020, 03:40:50 PM
Patterson not making himself any money today
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 03:43:43 PM
Two half chickens w a Carolina rub on the egg this afternoon.   Parents headed back to Wyoming.   Looks like another good day for flying save PNW.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: TyphonInc on January 01, 2020, 03:44:38 PM
https://twitter.com/DavidRNoe/status/1212455994363666444?s=19

Hopefully that embeds properly. He doesn't actually land on him with his full body weight. This is both clear and obvious. I understand why the ref boned the call. But it got boned.
But but but, if you have a different opinion than the non Big Ten fan your a sickness...
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 03:48:47 PM
Let's move on.  Nice games guys.  Happy New Year.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2020, 03:51:56 PM
That was targeting on Bama. Hit him right in the ear hole
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ncbuck71 on January 01, 2020, 03:52:04 PM
76 yrd td pass gophers.  31-24
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2020, 03:53:20 PM
That was targeting on Bama. Hit him right in the ear hole
Yeah, I thought that could have been targeting too.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2020, 03:53:27 PM
76 yrd td pass gophers.  31-24
Man my tv setup doesn't favor flipping back and forth but these are two good games
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: TyphonInc on January 01, 2020, 03:53:54 PM
If you're talking about the Bama guy launching into the Michigan guy's head as he was going down on the far sideline, I wondered that myself.

I was. I thought it was that type of play we were trying to get rid of. Turning your helmet into a weapon and launching yourself at the head of another player, arms at the side missile style, not trying to tackle at all.

Falling onto another player, or helmets brushing as players duck, man I call that football, and don't see that as a penalty. But launching as a weapon then not calling it is infuriating.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 01, 2020, 03:55:23 PM
That’s why I am watching one in my family room and can see the other out on the pool deck/ patio.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on January 01, 2020, 03:56:12 PM
Man my tv setup doesn't favor flipping back and forth but these are two good games
Need some 1990s style PIP
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2020, 03:58:49 PM
Need some 1990s style PIP
Man we had one of those as a kid and it was the coolest thing for like two hours
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 04:02:09 PM
I have had a 3 tv set up for 25 years, don't know how people deal with one.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: TyphonInc on January 01, 2020, 04:03:45 PM
So a far more blatant targeting that OSU got flagged for gets ignored, followed immediately by Ronnie Bell getting credit for a catch with far less control than what the Clemson WR got called incomplete
Ehh. Clemson player only took 3.8 steps, Bell had a full 4 steps...

The launching player needs to be removed. No debate.

Wade's head didn't get lifted enough, even though he lead with the shoulder, didn't launch, and wrapped up, the helmets brushed (Lawrence did crouch over 2 feet to make helmet contact, but they brushed.) I think the rule should be changed, but under the current rules, subjectively, it can be called.



Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2020, 04:07:14 PM
What a catch 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2020, 04:07:55 PM
What a catch!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ncbuck71 on January 01, 2020, 04:08:00 PM
What a catch on 4th and 1 by the Gophers TE!! Under 3 minutes to go.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2020, 04:10:20 PM
Hard not to be happy for the Gophers.  They had some disappointments late and showed up for the bowl game and should finish 11-2, which is remarkable.  I think Auburn showed up also, they just were outplayed and out manned.  I thought for a while Michigan was going to whip Bama with their running game, but it seems Bama tightened it up and caught a few breaks.  These teams are close in talent I think, all four of them.

A break here, a missed call there, some weirdness over yonder, and you have a winner.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on January 01, 2020, 04:11:35 PM
Man we had one of those as a kid and it was the coolest thing for like two hours
I remember seeing the Magnavox ads and begging for it.  We got it and yeah...it was great until you realized you couldn't see either game.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 04:13:52 PM
It was a popup annoyance before pop up ads.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: TyphonInc on January 01, 2020, 04:14:31 PM
1st down Gophers!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2020, 04:16:10 PM
What are the refs doing?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 04:16:37 PM
Hard not to be happy for the Gophers.  They had some disappointments late and showed up for the bowl game and should finish 11-2, which is remarkable.  I think Auburn showed up also, they just were outplayed and out manned.  I thought for a while Michigan was going to whip Bama with their running game, but it seems Bama tightened it up and caught a few breaks.  These teams are close in talent I think, all four of them.

A break here, a missed call there, some weirdness over yonder, and you have a winner.
Not THAT hard.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2020, 04:18:36 PM
Incredible close-out-the-game drive for Minnesota!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2020, 04:19:37 PM
Surprised at the ass kicking here. Minny near 500 yards, Auburn with 232
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: SuperMario on January 01, 2020, 04:19:42 PM
Michigan simply outcoached again and a fitting end to the Patterson career.  Poor decision maker that can’t throw downfield. The consistent deep routes to tight ends has made absolutely no sense at all.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ncbuck71 on January 01, 2020, 04:21:04 PM
It may only be a 7 point win on the scoreboard, but that was an ass-kicking by Minnesota. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 01, 2020, 04:21:45 PM
B1G now 4-3 with two to go.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: TyphonInc on January 01, 2020, 04:22:22 PM
Wow. So impressed by Minnesota. I truly believed that they were a product of a weak schedule, but came out rowing today with a huge win.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 01, 2020, 04:22:59 PM
Minnesota makes me proud to be a Big Ten fan.   

Thank you gophers!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2020, 04:23:41 PM
Courtesy of ESPiN crew:

Auburn the toughest team Minnie played all year.

LMAO.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 01, 2020, 04:26:50 PM
Courtesy of ESPiN crew:

Auburn the toughest team Minnie played all year.

LMAO.
Such BS.  Go get the Rose Bowl Wisconsin!!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 01, 2020, 04:26:54 PM
I remember seeing the Magnavox ads and begging for it.  We got it and yeah...it was great until you realized you couldn't see either game.
Yeah, I hated it.

My dad loved it but the process to switch from one game to the other was ridiculously complex and took forever:
I vastly prefer the "back" or "last" button. 

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: RestingB!tchFace on January 01, 2020, 04:27:12 PM
Minnesota makes me proud to be a Big Ten fan. 

Thank you gophers!

Go Gophers!  And that seven point win doesn't even reflect how much better Minnesota really was today.  Total offense was 494 to 232!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 04:28:47 PM
Here's the proper way for PIP.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: RestingB!tchFace on January 01, 2020, 04:29:53 PM
Courtesy of ESPiN crew:

Auburn the toughest team Minnie played all year.

LMAO.

Clearly not the case.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: TyphonInc on January 01, 2020, 04:32:31 PM
Hmm. Minnesota with a 1 score lead takes a knee to end the game.

Alabama with a 2 score lead runs a play for a TD to end the game.
Hmm.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2020, 04:33:58 PM
toughest and best aren't synonyms, you know
.
UM loses 21-0 in 2nd half...that's purely coaching.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 01, 2020, 04:34:55 PM
Hmm. Minnesota with a 1 score lead takes a knee to end the game.

Alabama with a 2 score lead runs a play for a TD to end the game.
Hmm.
Might have to do with some of the off field comments and issues with Harbaugh and Saban.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 04:37:33 PM
Saban just running a camp there at the end.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2020, 04:39:31 PM
Here's the proper way for PIP.
Nice set up. Maybe someday when my kids are grown I can do that in our bonus room upstairs.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2020, 04:40:14 PM
Courtesy of ESPiN crew:

Auburn the toughest team Minnie played all year.

LMAO.
I think this was more an attempt at hype than anything serious.  Auburn was supposed to be tough in the lines, but Minnesota exposed them rather obviously all day, and it was about as close to a blowout as a 7 point win ever can be.

I think I picked Auburn to win and Michigan to win.  I guess I should pick Oregon and Baylor also.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Benthere2 on January 01, 2020, 04:44:16 PM
Minnesota’s OL without a big tackle dominated a DL with NFLers on it

If Minnesota’s special teams could play average the game could have been a larger spread
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2020, 04:47:32 PM
I think most of us were suspicious that Minnesota was a fraud at 8-0, even with the win over PSU.  I thought they were lose to Iowa, and did, but it was a tough game.  They just showed a LOT of toughness today, to me, against a pretty good Auburn team that also is tough.

Auburn did beat Alabama, in an odd rivalry game at home, and Bama pretty well blew out Michigan in the second half.  Saban must have made a good speech.  I can't say I'm sad to see Harbaugh lose again.  As noted in the game, UGA plays AT Alabama next September.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 04:47:49 PM
Crew tripped over themselves touting how AU and UM playing hard, wanting to be there.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: SuperMario on January 01, 2020, 05:13:34 PM
Might have to do with some of the off field comments and issues with Harbaugh and Saban. 
Is that the issue where Harbaugh is all talk?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 01, 2020, 05:25:39 PM
Wow!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2020, 05:31:09 PM
Wisconsin has no offense.  Yet.  Nice INT.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 05:36:32 PM
Oregon's 5-star DE looked really 5-star there. Crud. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on January 01, 2020, 05:36:57 PM
Ya just turned the game on and see UW up 10-7 yet they have practically negative yrds what happened?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 01, 2020, 05:38:26 PM
Ya just turned the game on and see UW up 10-7 yet they have practically negative yrds what happened?
Kick return TD, INT to a FG.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on January 01, 2020, 05:39:41 PM
Well that'll work
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 01, 2020, 05:43:13 PM
Well that'll work
The INT was a good sign because on Oregon's first drive their offense looked like a hot knife through the butter that was Wisconsin's defense  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 05:56:19 PM
STOP COMMITTTING PENALTIES YOU GUYS!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 01, 2020, 06:11:13 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENOedsvWoAAvkRe?format=jpg&name=small)

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2020, 06:16:21 PM
Brutal.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 06:19:09 PM
More penalties, fumble. Rage. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 06:28:34 PM
I mean, that pick was bad, though the WR was open. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 06:31:58 PM
QB with a stiff arm (maybe his second). badgers trail and look not good that series. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2020, 06:41:45 PM
Whew! 
Hey, I'm back, sorry guys.
Did they show me on TV???  I know King Barry was enjoying my moves! 

Anyway, it took them awhile to track me down.  
I'm back home now.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 06:43:17 PM
This board will love this replay
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on January 01, 2020, 06:45:53 PM
I thought it was a penalty to hit the QB in the head?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on January 01, 2020, 06:47:44 PM


where'd you here that?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2020, 06:54:50 PM
Whew! 
Hey, I'm back, sorry guys.
Did they show me on TV???  I know King Barry was enjoying my moves! 

Anyway, it took them awhile to track me down. 
I'm back home now.
Thanks for the free time out.


I'm back too. Neighbors knocked on the door and invited us over for Italian Beefs. Can't beat Italian Beefs.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2020, 06:55:17 PM
Oh, and if the Badgers could stop shooting themselves in the foot, I'd be good with that.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 07:02:48 PM
Thanks for the free time out.


I'm back too. Neighbors knocked on the door and invited us over for Italian Beefs. Can't beat Italian Beefs.
Where do I procure your neghibors?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2020, 07:08:26 PM
Where do I procure your neghibors?
I'll let you know when we are getting ready to move out. We have a great landlord too.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 07:24:53 PM
Oh, son of a ...
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 01, 2020, 07:33:23 PM
That was as close to targeting as what Wade did.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ncbuck71 on January 01, 2020, 07:37:35 PM
How is the spot not being reviewed? It looked like he got the 1st by at least 6 inches.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on January 01, 2020, 07:38:58 PM
Great call great push UW takes the lead
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 07:41:47 PM
How is the spot not being reviewed? It looked like he got the 1st by at least 6 inches.
That was strange. And I’m annoyed to took a timeout and they still didn’t. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on January 01, 2020, 07:57:10 PM
Wisconsin can really put a choke-hold in the Ducks if they can push this in for another TD.

Great 4th-down conversions!

Rats!  The Badgers had to settle for a FG.

A 6-point lead is not comfortable in this game.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 08:08:20 PM
I. Am. Nervous. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ncbuck71 on January 01, 2020, 08:11:12 PM
The last speed sweep drive was great, but needed a TD.  Tough spot to start this one, but could be set up for Taylor to shine.  Hopefully.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 08:12:43 PM
Herbert a zero today.  NFL will still aim high regardless.

Throwing of course.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2020, 08:13:10 PM
Oh geez
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 01, 2020, 08:13:59 PM
Badgers dominating but shooting themselves.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2020, 08:15:03 PM
Rose Bowl getting really chippy 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 01, 2020, 08:16:39 PM
Well that sucked
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on January 01, 2020, 08:19:02 PM
Turnover followed by a 1-play, 30-yard drive.  That 6-point lead didn't hold up at all.

Badgers need to play clean--take care of the ball.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 01, 2020, 08:24:39 PM
Time for some defense Wisconsin.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2020, 08:24:55 PM
2050 is as far away as 1990.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2020, 08:29:04 PM
Wow, Oregon.  Uncaused fumble.  Dropped pass.  Actively trying to lose, lol.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2020, 08:29:33 PM
Oregon gagging on the moment.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2020, 08:30:29 PM
That last UW pass looked a lot like the disputed play in the Clemson game.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2020, 08:32:08 PM
Man, I really don’t like that call.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 08:36:19 PM
Well that ending was unpleasant.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on January 01, 2020, 08:40:25 PM
Well, dang!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2020, 08:40:36 PM
I have no idea why, on a 3rd and 3 with the game on the line, the corner for UW was playing that far off the WR.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 01, 2020, 08:41:11 PM
Once he had the 1st down the Badgers should have let him score.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 01, 2020, 08:41:42 PM
Dang good effort. Normally teams don't win with 200 yards of offense
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 08:42:20 PM
I think the Duck was headed oob anyways.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2020, 08:42:44 PM
Man, I really don’t like that call.
There were a few I didn't like. Especially that one.


Zebras win.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on January 01, 2020, 08:44:20 PM
Badgers dominating but shooting themselves. 
Kinda like a team from C-Bus
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 08:44:35 PM
Too many balls on the ground.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 08:45:25 PM
Once he had the 1st down the Badgers should have let him score.
He would’ve figured out to stop at some point.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 08:47:20 PM
I have no idea why, on a 3rd and 3 with the game on the line, the corner for UW was playing that far off the WR.
When you’re in that loaded box setup, it’s usually cover-3. I suppose press would’ve been smarter, but I also assume most teams just run. 

also matters less when the corner falls over.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 01, 2020, 08:51:40 PM
He would’ve figured out to stop at some point.
Probably, but once he passed the 1st down marker the Badgers' only chance was to hope he got the TD, then try to score a TD and 2pt conversion for OT.

Oh well.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2020, 08:52:04 PM
Turnovers, once again, decisive.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2020, 08:52:58 PM
It really sucks to watch your own team dominate, and lose. Really, really sucks.


(https://www.bing.com/th/id/OIP.PFkAOLDndqL8GgwWnEP4egHaJs?w=146&h=180&c=7&o=5&dpr=2.5&pid=1.7)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 01, 2020, 08:53:05 PM
This season, for me, more than any I can remember- had big games influenced by officiating at critical times- by very questionable calls.  

It shouldn’t be that way. 

Wisconsin made critical and often unforced errors- but they still had an opportunity that was taken away by a questionable call at best. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 01, 2020, 08:53:38 PM
B1G now 4-4 relying on the Indiana Hoosiers to pull us over .500.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 08:56:33 PM
Gator bowl sold a lot of tickets apparently.  North of 55k.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 09:02:36 PM
How  does the board intelligentsia view this matchup.

Evil SEC vs Baylor.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on January 01, 2020, 09:02:40 PM
This season, for me, more than any I can remember- had big games influenced by officiating at critical times- by very questionable calls. 
The one you linked earlier with Dobbins getting head butted the 1st series after Wade got tossed for the very same thing.In the 3rd qtr a Clem.DB ran into Olave as the ball bounced off the DB no flag.A program shouldn't have to face a staunch opponent and the officials also but I was pissed saturday night
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 09:04:51 PM
Rhule is a very likable dude.  Last game for the art smock apparently.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 01, 2020, 09:05:07 PM
How  does the board intelligentsia view this matchup.

Evil SEC vs Baylor.
Giant meteor?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 01, 2020, 09:05:44 PM
How  does the board intelligentsia view this matchup.

Evil SEC vs Baylor.
Lol. You eliminated me with  “ intelligentsia” but I will weigh in.  No dog in the fight- just like to see a good game.  I think both coaches are good.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MrNubbz on January 01, 2020, 09:10:04 PM
Ha - this from 11 Warriors

"I'm not a lip reader but I'm pretty sure Paul Chryst uttered some profanities."
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 01, 2020, 09:11:51 PM
I guess it is different for everyone but the bowls this year have been entertaining and meaningful.  I really enjoyed seeing the Gophers win as well as Iowa, Spartans and Penn State.  Really wanted to see Badgers win too.  A lot.  I even found myself rooting for UM.  And I have the Indiana game circled as one of my most desired wins.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on January 01, 2020, 09:17:38 PM
Ha - this from 11 Warriors

"I'm not a lip reader but I'm pretty sure Paul Chryst uttered some profanities."
looked to me as if the receiver started blocking before the ball was caught

good call IMO

I'm not a fan of all the picks and blocks before the ball is thrown

and I was rooting for the Badgers

that loss cost me a wager with my Brother - now I owe him lunch next week in Texas
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2020, 09:19:34 PM
This season, for me, more than any I can remember- had big games influenced by officiating at critical times- by very questionable calls. 

It shouldn’t be that way.

Wisconsin made critical and often unforced errors- but they still had an opportunity that was taken away by a questionable call at best.
None of us wants it that way but to say it shouldn’t be that way is just unrealistic.  Officials are human.  They will make mistakes.  You acknowledge Wisconsin’s errors but sort of gloss over them to dwell on the perceived errors of the officials.  And I get why.  We all tune in to see the players on the field decide the game.  We’ll live with their errors but the second an official makes an error we feel like something has to be done.

We’ll never have that though.  I mean, to me it’s like saying if a fumble or dropped pass decides a game that it shouldn’t be that way.  As long as humans are part of playing and officiating the games we will see mistakes in playing and officiating.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on January 01, 2020, 09:21:13 PM
Rhule is a very likable dude.  Last game for the art smock apparently.
Because the Giants won't let him wear that "outfit" on their sidelines?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 09:25:18 PM
This season, for me, more than any I can remember- had big games influenced by officiating at critical times- by very questionable calls. 

It shouldn’t be that way.

Wisconsin made critical and often unforced errors- but they still had an opportunity that was taken away by a questionable call at best.
I’m betting it’s a blend of better replay, super available replay and more and more rules. Plus I think certain things are being taken more advantage of (OPI and lineman downfield), so we’re looking for it more and refs are looking for the first one more.

Also, put in-studio ref that Badge did not like argued that PI was good, which was annoying although it impacted nothing.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on January 01, 2020, 09:28:23 PM
The team that makes the fewest mistakes will win.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 09:29:21 PM
looked to me as if the receiver started blocking before the ball was caught

good call IMO

I'm not a fan of all the picks and blocks before the ball is thrown

and I was rooting for the Badgers

that loss cost me a wager with my Brother - now I owe him lunch next week in Texas
I mean, they were jammed up together for like 8 yards. The DB had hands on him, a guy who the ball was coming at, with the ball in the air too.

On that route combo, he’s supposed to run the defender off, at least when when defender isn’t initiating contact throughout.

(I don’t think it was a game-changing call, but maybe one that was too cute in the moment. I’m betting we could find a ton of OPI picks on actual designed run plays)
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 09:35:01 PM
The team that makes the fewest mistakes will win.
No doubt, UW averaged about a yard more per play, ran more plays and just gave up so many penalty yards.

Outside the Davis fumble, biggest UW play was having 3rd and 4 before that last field goal blown up. Get a jet blown up (after like seven of them) and then unable to cap the drive, that’s a killer. (Bonus play was the hold that made it 1st and 20 from the 39 before the missed kick).

Obviously also must say, the late first half TD and the returns were massive swing plays that helped UW.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 01, 2020, 09:45:30 PM
I do wonder (as this was something that did occur from time to time in my own playing days) if there was some culmination of verbal warnings by the official regarding WR contact with the DB during the game, which led to an eventual penalty.    It is not unusual for either lobbying to lead to a foul, or a ref proactively telling a player to knock it off, and frankly letting it slide no more.   Of course, one would have to watch all of Davis' routes, or  learn of the sideline banter.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 01, 2020, 09:48:03 PM
None of us wants it that way but to say it shouldn’t be that way is just unrealistic.  Officials are human.  They will make mistakes.  You acknowledge Wisconsin’s errors but sort of gloss over them to dwell on the perceived errors of the officials.  And I get why.  We all tune in to see the players on the field decide the game.  We’ll live with their errors but the second an official makes an error we feel like something has to be done.

We’ll never have that though.  I mean, to me it’s like saying if a fumble or dropped pass decides a game that it shouldn’t be that way.  As long as humans are part of playing and officiating the games we will see mistakes in playing and officiating.
No I’m not really glossing over anything. I acknowledge that Wisconsin lost because they made too many errors.  I will acknowledge it again now - for absolute clarity.  Wisconsin lost because they made too many mistakes.
now - changing gears, I think the quality of officiating this season was very poor.  Too many errors that were obvious- especially in games between good teams.

I could give so many examples but let’s start with the Rose Bowl.  Did you see the error they made in marking Wisconsin to 4 th and 1 at the goal line?  They must marked it by a full yard. The Badgers scored anyway.  The PI they called effectively ended the game. It was a critical call at a critical time and probably would not have affected the play.

we all know the targeting problem.  No two plays are called consistently- but it has affected big games this season at highly critical times.

and lastly, video review.  How often do we see calls reversed when the evidence is not only not indisputable- but supports the call on the field.  Or the opposite. Nobody even knows what a catch even is anymore.
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Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 01, 2020, 09:50:29 PM
I have to go on a rant for a second.  One of my real pet peeves are these guys whose primary responsibility is to hold onto another coach’s belt or pants or whatever in order to keep him from going out of the field.

This is all theatrical bullshit.  Football has been around 150 years but suddenly we have a plethora of coaches so into their job that they need another grown man to physically hold them back from going out onto the field?  Bullshit.  It’s for the cameras.

You know what will teach a coach to keep his ass on the sidelines?  A flag.  Or even the threat of a flag.  There’s a lot of jobs I’d be interested in doing as an assistant coach on a football team.  I’d gladly watch and breakdown thousands of hours worth of film.  The first time someone asked me to hold onto a coach’s belt the whole game I’d be out.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on January 01, 2020, 10:04:02 PM
I mean, they were jammed up together for like 8 yards. The DB had hands on him, a guy who the ball was coming at, with the ball in the air too.

On that route combo, he’s supposed to run the defender off, at least when when defender isn’t initiating contact throughout.

(I don’t think it was a game-changing call, but maybe one that was too cute in the moment. I’m betting we could find a ton of OPI picks on actual designed run plays)
Usually doesn't get called, but with the ball coming and the defender that was pushed was in position and trying to make a play on the ball.  The ref felt compelled to call it.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2020, 10:35:19 PM
As I rewatched the PI call, I leaned to thinking it was the correct call, I did not at first.  It was a tough call no doubt.  It's rough when the refs determine the outcome of games so visibly.  There were a lot of other plays of course where they didn't.  I have to think of it as random "stuff" that happens, like a ball batted in the air that falls to the ground, or into someone's hands.

A lot of football between competitive teams is random, and turnovers are both huge and unpredictable.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 11:32:31 PM


Usually doesn't get called, but with the ball coming and the defender that was pushed was in position and trying to make a play on the ball.  The ref felt compelled to call it.
The defender was pushed because he was chest to chest with a wide receiver who was also in the path of the ball. Usually when a receiver is in the path of a ball and a corner is all handsy with him, that is not a flag on the offensive player.

Still too big a moment to get cute with a middling at best call. And if it had gone the other way, I'd be telling you "man, UW got a big break there because that was a mighty dicy call."
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Hawkinole on January 02, 2020, 12:36:31 AM
None of us wants it that way but to say it shouldn’t be that way is just unrealistic.  Officials are human.  They will make mistakes.  You acknowledge Wisconsin’s errors but sort of gloss over them to dwell on the perceived errors of the officials.  And I get why.  We all tune in to see the players on the field decide the game.  We’ll live with their errors but the second an official makes an error we feel like something has to be done.

We’ll never have that though.  I mean, to me it’s like saying if a fumble or dropped pass decides a game that it shouldn’t be that way.  As long as humans are part of playing and officiating the games we will see mistakes in playing and officiating.
The call the Badgers are complaining about could have gone either direction, which is why it perhaps should not have been called, or if called, called against Oregon. Having said that, I can live with the call. I cannot endorse all the turnovers the Badgers made.

And, I cannot endorse calls against Ohio State in the CFP game. That was badly officiated and bad officiating,  especially replay officiating (they type which is inexecusable), changed the result of the game.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 02, 2020, 07:32:08 AM
Thursday

3 pm, ESPN
Ticketsmarter Birmingham Bowl
Boston College v. Cincinnati

Boston College is in that awkward phase where they fired their coach for being crappy enough to be in this game, and have already hired a new coach who probably has little interest in the current coaching staff, who are just out here trying to win a game.  On UC's side Fickell is still pounding, with a chance for another 11 win season for Cincy, which ain't bad.  The AAC was pretty strong this year, with several strong teams.  By SP if you took out Clemson they were better than the rest of the ACC.  Also, what is TicketSmarter?  I clicked their website and it almost looks like a scam to get your credit card info.

7 pm, ESPN
TaxSlayer Gator Bowl
Tennessee v. Indiana

Thanks to some truly rotten luck, the Big Ten is 4-4 in bowls instead of 6-2 and now needs a Hoosier win to get above .500.  Their task is to take down the mighty Volunteers of Tennessee.  Perhaps the most puzzling movement I've seen this year was the cry for Jeremy Pruitt to win coach of the year in the SEC after going 7-5 with losses to Georgia State and BYU.  I read one article that he led "the greatest turnaround in program history" after close wins over Kentucky and Missouri.  In any event, Tennessee does play pretty good defense and the Hoosiers can move the ball, although they lost their offensive coordinator so how they move on from that will be a question.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 02, 2020, 07:47:42 AM
No doubt, UW averaged about a yard more per play, ran more plays and just gave up so many penalty yards.

Outside the Davis fumble, biggest UW play was having 3rd and 4 before that last field goal blown up. Get a jet blown up (after like seven of them) and then unable to cap the drive, that’s a killer. (Bonus play was the hold that made it 1st and 20 from the 39 before the missed kick).

Obviously also must say, the late first half TD and the returns were massive swing plays that helped UW.
Double bonus play was Lotti dropping the ball on a punt attempt. I noticed he never touched the ball again after that.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 02, 2020, 07:49:22 AM
The defender was pushed because he was chest to chest with a wide receiver who was also in the path of the ball. Usually when a receiver is in the path of a ball and a corner is all handsy with him, that is not a flag on the offensive player.

Still too big a moment to get cute with a middling at best call. And if it had gone the other way, I'd be telling you "man, UW got a big break there because that was a mighty dicy call."
The "holding" call on a reception to Cephus was even worse. I think it was called on Pryor?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 02, 2020, 07:54:21 AM
https://twitter.com/SNFRules/status/1212548292783091712


https://twitter.com/GeneSteratore/status/1212559099818323971
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 02, 2020, 07:56:38 AM
I had not seen any calls for Pruitt to be "CotY", but then, I don't pay much attention to that award.  I guess Coach O won it?  Anyway, Pruitt did get them somewhat back on track and they won the games they COULD have won after the 0-2 start.  Had they beaten Georgia State and BYU (OT), they would be looking at a better opponent in a better bowl game at 9-3, duh.  But they basically edged the lesser teams on their slate after the 0-2.  Some of their fans claim a bad call by the refs led to the defeat at Bama.  Their loses were pretty large scorewise 34-3, 43-14, 35-13.

I think Pruitt might get them back to being dangerous at times, but that 0-2 start should never have happened.  I suspect it will be an ugly looking game with turnovers being decisive.  Duh.  And maybe zebras.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 02, 2020, 08:25:02 AM
The "holding" call on a reception to Cephus was even worse. I think it was called on Pryor?
I honestly don’t recall. I’ll dig back on it. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 02, 2020, 08:53:36 AM
The bowl record by conference of course is an oft misleading metric.  Some teams lose, or win, by a narrow margin, and at times the loser clearly outplayed the winner (Wisconsin).  And we can see games like Texas handily beating the Pac 12 runner up and concluding that the B12 must be a great conference.  Whether Indiana prevails against Tennessee or not is not to me any indication of how good or bad the B1G is.  The Vols might win 27-23 for example, and give no real indication that are obviously superior.  They might win the TO battle 4-1 and win 38-13 and still not show that much.  And the bowl game environment is odd.

Ohio State at least went toe to toe with Clemson and lost by a hair's breath.  Clemson could win it all, what does that mean?  And sometimes a conference simply benefits from good seedings in effect, or is hurt by the bad.  And the significant OOC games during the season that COULD be informative are so rare it's hard to conclude much from them.  So, meh.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 02, 2020, 09:10:53 AM
We might view bowl outcomes using a kind of scale where even a loss was a good result, maybe 0 +  ++  - --.  I'd give Wisconsin a + for example.  When Florida beat UVA, I might give a + because they did win, but it was not over a solid opponent obvious, same with UGA.  Kentucky had a nice win over probably the 3rd best ACC team if you consider that a something.  Alabama should get a +, and Auburn perhaps a --, they really looked outclassed to me.  Georgia did win in it's usual way.  LSU should get a ++ I think.  Ohio State I'd give a 0, neutral score.  Texas would get a ++, OU would get --.  

Burgers, yum.  There are some good burger places around me, but not many BBQ places of real note (maybe not any).  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 02, 2020, 09:18:43 AM
I honestly don’t recall. I’ll dig back on it.
Much appreciated. You do a great job at this stuff.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: bayareabadger on January 02, 2020, 09:29:05 AM
Much appreciated. You do a great job at this stuff.
Hmm, I honestly can’t find it in the boxscore. 

The hold that set up the field goal miss, that was a good call. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 02, 2020, 10:01:26 AM
Yeah, I don't see it in the box score either. On the play I'm talking about, it looked like Pryor was actually trying to grab the defender, and he whiffed. Then he was called for holding anyway.


Maybe all punters are weird, but Lotti is a weird kid, I've heard. I wonder if he goes back to school to finish his degree, or just transfers somewhere else to do it.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 02, 2020, 10:20:34 AM
Yeah, I don't see it in the box score either. On the play I'm talking about, it looked like Pryor was actually trying to grab the defender, and he whiffed. Then he was called for holding anyway.


Maybe all punters are weird, but Lotti is a weird kid, I've heard. I wonder if he goes back to school to finish his degree, or just transfers somewhere else to do it.
I specifically remember that play. He was called for holding because he had the intent to hold he just missed. It was another horrible call in a sea of them this last few days
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Hawkinole on January 02, 2020, 10:32:00 AM
I specifically remember that play. He was called for holding because he had the intent to hold he just missed. It was another horrible call in a sea of them this last few days
Now as you mention it I recall this too. A Wisconsin player apparently reached and to try and hold and completely whiffed. He whiffed as bad as Wisconsin's punter whiffed. The holding shouldn't have been called. I don't recall what happened in sequence afterward following the whiffed holding and whether it affected the game.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 02, 2020, 11:21:56 AM
Bowl results that really surprised me:

Texas whomping Utah has to be high on the list.

Minnesota manhandling Auburn.

LaTech shutting out the Canes 14-0.  I'm not shocked they won.

I thought Baylor would beat UGA ugly, but it's not a real shock to me.

Anything else?  LSU hanging 63 on the Sooners?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 02, 2020, 11:33:36 AM
Positive, upbeat article on the Arizona Bowl making ground: https://tucson.com/sports/greghansen/greg-hansen-arizona-bowl-founder-promises-to-keep-local-flavor/article_1eca10f0-bc3a-538c-a5b5-3a2957752c21.html

In five years of existence, the Arizona Bowl has (a) moved coaches to tears, (b) been the site of a field-storming celebration and (c) generally out-kicked its coverage.
It has yet to put a Top 25 team on the field, and yet the Arizona Bowl has sold more than 150,000 tickets for games involving teams from the Mountain West and Sun Belt conferences.
It works. It almost defies modern sports marketing where “bigger” sells and “little” fades away.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 02, 2020, 11:34:48 AM
The Las Vegas Bowl could become major or close to it in a few.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Entropy on January 02, 2020, 11:44:49 AM
The Pac12 conference championship loser is now 0-9 in bowl games.   
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 02, 2020, 11:48:05 AM
Do you have stats on all CG losers in bowl games?  I'm guessing the winning pct is about .300.

I know UGA lost last year.  Baylor lost this year.  Wisconsin lost this year (on the scoreboard).  UVA lost of course.  The only winner was perforce.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Entropy on January 02, 2020, 11:51:57 AM
I don't have those details.   ....But your impression would match mine.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Gigem on January 02, 2020, 11:55:42 AM
Wisconsin gave that one away with the late fumble.  It's tough but they had their chances, refs aside.  I thought that OPI call was very questionable.  

Baylor vs. UGa...Baylor caught a tough one here even with a depleted UGa.  Did anybody else see Matt Rhule hock a big loogie and get it right in the middle of his art smock shirt?  Gross as hell.  

I have a good setup for multiple games...Youtube TV with multiple monitors.  You can pull up as many windows as you want, but I find that two games are enough for me.  

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 02, 2020, 12:03:26 PM
7 pm, ESPN
TaxSlayer Gator Bowl
Tennessee v. Indiana

Thanks to some truly rotten luck, the Big Ten is 4-4 in bowls instead of 6-2 and now needs a Hoosier win to get above .500.  Their task is to take down the mighty Volunteers of Tennessee.  Perhaps the most puzzling movement I've seen this year was the cry for Jeremy Pruitt to win coach of the year in the SEC after going 7-5 with losses to Georgia State and BYU.  I read one article that he led "the greatest turnaround in program history" after close wins over Kentucky and Missouri.  In any event, Tennessee does play pretty good defense and the Hoosiers can move the ball, although they lost their offensive coordinator so how they move on from that will be a question. 
This game, to an extent, reminds me of the Purdue/Auburn game last year in the Music City Bowl... A game that I'm painfully unable to forget.

Essentially it was a team that had punched above its weight to an extent to make it to a bowl game at all at 6-6, against a much more talented (per the STARZ on the roster) team that had a few bad breaks to fall to a 7-5 record. 

In some sense it came down to who really wanted to be there (I was hoping Auburn would be disinterested), but if both teams came to play, the talent disparity was ENORMOUS and far too large to overcome. Sadly, the latter scenario happened and Purdue got run off the field. 

I don't like this site's methodology (I think it overweights freshmen), but they have the 4-year recruiting ranking of Tennessee at 17th in the nation, and of Indiana at 41st in the nation. https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2019/2/7/18215228/college-football-recruiting-rankings-2019-class (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2019/2/7/18215228/college-football-recruiting-rankings-2019-class)

That's a problem, if Tennessee comes in with a chip on their shoulder. 

I suspect that Indiana, by virtue of an easy schedule, is not as good as their 8-4 record would suggest. And Tennessee is a lot more talented than their 7-5 record would imply, considering the team at the end of 2019 would likely have beaten Georgia State to be 9-3 and in a more prominent bowl. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on January 02, 2020, 01:39:23 PM
I like the Hoosiers in this one.  They are happy as hell to be there and are motivated to get that 9th win.

I think they have a very good coach.

But, I've been wrong about more bowl games than right, this season
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 02, 2020, 03:44:10 PM
I think Tennessee has more talent, to the extent that matters, and I suspect their motivation will be decent given where they were at 1-4, with Alabama left to play.  I'm not sure about Pruitt at all.  The Vols have "indifferent" quarterbacking.  This is another game that could hinge simply on something like a 3-1 TO margin, or heaven forbid some critical referee call.  Indiana is 8-4 and their most impressive "win" was probably the close loss to PSU.  The Vols are 7-3 and their most impressive win is, well, they led Georgia for part of the first half.  Well, they did win at Kentucky, and UK wasn't that bad.



Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 02, 2020, 03:52:56 PM
This game, to an extent, reminds me of the Purdue/Auburn game last year in the Music City Bowl... A game that I'm painfully unable to forget.

Essentially it was a team that had punched above its weight to an extent to make it to a bowl game at all at 6-6, against a much more talented (per the STARZ on the roster) team that had a few bad breaks to fall to a 7-5 record.

In some sense it came down to who really wanted to be there (I was hoping Auburn would be disinterested), but if both teams came to play, the talent disparity was ENORMOUS and far too large to overcome. Sadly, the latter scenario happened and Purdue got run off the field.

I don't like this site's methodology (I think it overweights freshmen), but they have the 4-year recruiting ranking of Tennessee at 17th in the nation, and of Indiana at 41st in the nation. https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2019/2/7/18215228/college-football-recruiting-rankings-2019-class (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2019/2/7/18215228/college-football-recruiting-rankings-2019-class)

That's a problem, if Tennessee comes in with a chip on their shoulder.

I suspect that Indiana, by virtue of an easy schedule, is not as good as their 8-4 record would suggest. And Tennessee is a lot more talented than their 7-5 record would imply, considering the team at the end of 2019 would likely have beaten Georgia State to be 9-3 and in a more prominent bowl.
Maybe, though last year auburn finished 7th in SP+ and Purdue 44th. This year Tennessee is 32 and Indiana 24
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 02, 2020, 04:08:20 PM
Maybe, though last year auburn finished 7th in SP+ and Purdue 44th. This year Tennessee is 32 and Indiana 24
Fair enough. ESPN FPI has Tennessee 30th and Indiana 35th, which isn't a big gap.

Indiana won 7 games against FBS opponents, with a combined winning percentage of 28.6%. Not a single team they beat finished the year with a winning record. 

Tennessee won 6 games against FBS opponents, with a combined winning percentage of 48.6% (regular season, bowls excluded). 4 of those 6 teams finished bowl-eligible. 

Is SP+ adjusted for strength of schedule? Because Tennessee's was definitely tougher. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on January 02, 2020, 04:10:27 PM
If your team draws Boston College in a bowl game at this point, is there any point in even planning on there being a game?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 02, 2020, 07:12:08 PM
If your team draws Boston College in a bowl game at this point, is there any point in even planning on there being a game?
There might be more players on the field than fans in the stands.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 02, 2020, 07:37:24 PM
Bearcats win.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 02, 2020, 07:41:05 PM
Fair enough. ESPN FPI has Tennessee 30th and Indiana 35th, which isn't a big gap.

Indiana won 7 games against FBS opponents, with a combined winning percentage of 28.6%. Not a single team they beat finished the year with a winning record.

Tennessee won 6 games against FBS opponents, with a combined winning percentage of 48.6% (regular season, bowls excluded). 4 of those 6 teams finished bowl-eligible.

Is SP+ adjusted for strength of schedule? Because Tennessee's was definitely tougher.
Yes. Though it is not result based - being good against Penn State but losing will count more than liking like crap and winning
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 02, 2020, 07:52:15 PM
There might be more players on the field than fans in the stands.
It's more than last years bowl game for BC.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 02, 2020, 08:30:12 PM
Indiana should have called timeout. These announcers are dopey
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on January 02, 2020, 08:41:11 PM
I should have taken the under
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 02, 2020, 09:11:27 PM
Indiana just scored twice.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 02, 2020, 09:18:02 PM
W I N D I A N A
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2020, 09:56:43 PM
Go Hoosiers!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on January 02, 2020, 09:59:06 PM
W I N D I A N A
More wins this decade than Clemson or LSU
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 02, 2020, 10:05:01 PM
As another big ten season winds down I just want to say it's been a pleasure to enjoy everyone's company.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on January 02, 2020, 10:14:11 PM
Well maybe not so fast, and now that failed PAT looming very large.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2020, 10:16:04 PM
That was DrewUTK in the Santa outfit, right?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 02, 2020, 10:16:51 PM
Oh man what was Indiana thinking there? Looked totally unprepared that an onsides kick might come
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 02, 2020, 10:34:18 PM
Gave him a first down. Wasn’t even close. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2020, 10:44:28 PM
Damn, I was an unwilling good luck charm.....UT was sucking until I turned it on.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 02, 2020, 10:44:44 PM
Very believable final ten minutes or so.  Damn.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on January 02, 2020, 10:51:51 PM
hoosiers

Frost should have called an onside kick the day I was in Lincoln watching
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on January 02, 2020, 11:52:05 PM
Not sure why this never occurred to me, but why did they build the Gator Bowl in the first place?  For two games a year?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2020, 11:59:39 PM
It was for the big high schools to share as a home field.  
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They did the same thing in Gainesville - the 3 big high schools share Citizen's Field.  We'd get a police escort, felt pretty cool (in lieu of an actual home field).  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 03, 2020, 12:02:37 AM
Uh oh, guys.  Shield your eyes from the conference bowl records...
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MarqHusker on January 03, 2020, 12:09:56 AM
Not sure why this never occurred to me, but why did they build the Gator Bowl in the first place?  For two games a year?
And those two games still draw more folks than the NFL team.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 03, 2020, 12:26:00 AM
The WLOCP would outdraw a 5-time Super Bowl-winning NFL team, lol.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Hawkinole on January 03, 2020, 01:16:38 AM
Uh oh, guys.  Shield your eyes from the conference bowl records...
Yes, but the fumble, scoop, and score was just that, a fumble, scoop, and score. This year will go down as the year of the SEC football officiating team as winners. SEC, SEC, SEC. Go officiating team!!!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 03, 2020, 01:31:06 AM
Yes, but the fumble, scoop, and score was just that, a fumble, scoop, and score. This year will go down as the year of the SEC football officiating team as winners. SEC, SEC, SEC. Go officiating team!!!
well... sorta.  

i don't think those SEC refs are competent enough to demonstrate favoritism.. seriously... they are bad.  really bad.  instead of acknowledging how bad they are? they pat each other on the back and tell each other what good jobs they've done... 

used to be an SEC ref team led by a guy named Ritter.  he was bad.  talking nineties through early part of century.  he was one of their 'best', and he was bad... very bad- and so was his entire crew.  I literally watched one of his line judges tackle a ball carrier once- true story.. in South Carolina on a Thursday night game IIRC- Spurrier against Tuberville.  the dude took a football stance and form tackled the ball carrier..... everybody laughed and laughed, and looked past the decisive play when it was dead because of the jolly good time it produced... it was a move to make Houdini proud, by my reckoning.  who ever thought i would long for the days of Ritter and actually miss that goofy SOB?  I do, though.  because this batch now- are bad.  

there ain't nothing to be proud of with that crew.  bama should have been a 8-4 team this season- except for the reffing. then, to surprise everyone, they turn on them at the end of the season.  on and on it goes.  curiously, i'm blindly drawing a correlation between this and the legalizing of gambling in many states.  prove me wrong :) ... 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 03, 2020, 05:39:46 AM
I went to bed figuring I could harass over confident Vol fans this morning about how they would win the SEC next year.

As for conference bowl records, meh.  The Vols sneak out a one point win over Indy.  Does that mean anything other than that the two teams are pretty equal?  Ohio State and Wisconsin lost very close games with some interesting calls.  Play a lot of these games over and you get the reverse result.

I'm sure SEC fans will trumpet the records again, but meh.

Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 03, 2020, 06:26:30 AM
More wins this decade than Clemson or LSU
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Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 03, 2020, 06:35:57 AM
?
Yeah, that one sorta backfired.

All three teams are currently tied at zero wins for this decade, the 2020s.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 03, 2020, 06:37:31 AM
Yeah, that one sorta backfired.

All three teams are currently tied at zero wins for this decade, the 2020s.
Oh right, Fiesta was in December. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 03, 2020, 06:38:11 AM
As another big ten season winds down I just want to say it's been a pleasure to enjoy everyone's company.
Same here.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 03, 2020, 07:03:54 AM
Bearcats win.
Does Fickell get phone calls this off season?  They did pretty well.  Teams that fired their coach might be sniffing.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: MaximumSam on January 03, 2020, 07:16:44 AM
Friday

3:30 PM, ESPN
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl
Ohio v. Nevada

Bowl season just goes on into perpetuity.  They say bowl season was originally a reward for good teams.  A reward for these teams is to go to Idaho in January to play a game.  Go Bobcats.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 03, 2020, 07:38:28 AM
I'm OK with more bowls generally, but this one is not of interest to me.  If I watch 5 minutes, I find myself dozing.  I was up at 5 AM, so it's even more probable.

It is foggy and rainy here, the wife has a doctor's appt and then wants to go to Costco.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 03, 2020, 08:54:14 AM
It was certainly an exciting bowl season for the B1G. We ended up 4-5 but three of our five bowl losers (tOSU, UW, IU) held leads in the 4th quarter and six of the nine games were decided by one score.

On the positive side, we were a few plays from being 7-2 right now with the NC to play.

On the negative side we were a few plays from being 1-8 right now.

Even among the games that ended in lopsided scores the games mostly felt closer. Iowa beat USC by 25 despite being outgained. Illinois lost by 15 despite outgaining Cal, and Michigan had a lead at the half before being outscored 21-0 by Bama after the break.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 03, 2020, 08:56:59 AM
The difference between 7-2 and 1-8 often is a few plays or ref calls in bowl season.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 03, 2020, 08:57:07 AM
Welp, I’m 4th out of about 100 guys in my ESPN confidence pool.  If I win I don’t get anything for it but I find myself checking the standings after every game.  So I guess I’m pulling for Nevada.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on January 03, 2020, 09:13:52 AM
bragging rights - respect!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on January 03, 2020, 09:15:17 AM
The difference between 7-2 and 1-8 often is a few plays or ref calls in bowl season.
Osborne and Pelini liked to point this out - post-game
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on January 03, 2020, 09:16:11 AM
Does Fickell get phone calls this off season?  They did pretty well.  Teams that fired their coach might be sniffing.
Apparently he rebuffed multiple schools last year, including WVU, Maryland and Louisville.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on January 03, 2020, 09:16:50 AM
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I was actually watching the MSU basketball game, and thought Sam's post meant the game was over.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 03, 2020, 10:49:22 AM
I randomly looked at the bowl lineup from 1989.  It was so much better.  18 bowls.  12 of them featuring ranked vs ranked teams which means they maxed out those kind of games.  This year, even with the upcoming LSU/Clemson game we will only have 9 of those games.

I think I prefer 12 of 18 bowls featuring ranked vs. ranked teams as opposed to 9 of 39 featuring ranked vs. ranked.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Entropy on January 03, 2020, 10:53:05 AM
How many of the 18 bowls had to selected teams from conf A and conf B in a certain order?  seemed to me there was more flexibility in the 80's for bowl to select teams.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 03, 2020, 10:57:55 AM
None.  Which I also liked a lot better.  You know, other than certain conference champions being tied to a particular bowl.  Other than that, they just chose teams from everywhere.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 03, 2020, 12:25:51 PM
The Sugar Bowl has taken the SEC champion for a long long time now, against some at large.  the Rose Bowl obviously favored the Big Ten/Pac matchup for a longer time.  The Orange more recently took the ACC champion, if available.  The Cotton back in the day would often get the SEC #2 team.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on January 03, 2020, 12:56:52 PM
2012 Sugar

Michigan vs Va Tech
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 03, 2020, 01:02:55 PM
I should have said usually.  That year was "unusual" for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on January 03, 2020, 01:27:05 PM
something occur in the SEC that season?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: utee94 on January 03, 2020, 01:42:08 PM
The Sugar Bowl has taken the SEC champion for a long long time now, against some at large.  the Rose Bowl obviously favored the Big Ten/Pac matchup for a longer time.  The Orange more recently took the ACC champion, if available.  The Cotton back in the day would often get the SEC #2 team.
Just as the Sugar took the SEC champ, the Cotton was bound to the SWC champ.  Then they could take any at-large team.  It sometimes an SEC team, although the B8, B10, and Notre Dame and Penn State made plenty of appearances over the years as well.




Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 03, 2020, 01:50:16 PM
something occur in the SEC that season?
Yeah. The rematch happened.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on January 03, 2020, 02:41:17 PM
and not in the Sugar
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 03, 2020, 02:45:15 PM
Correct. Same stadium though.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 03, 2020, 03:30:15 PM
So Rutgers has won more bowl games than Michigan, since 2000?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Kris60 on January 03, 2020, 04:17:00 PM
I like Ohio’s uniforms.   Clean, simple. No stupid font for the numbers. 
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on January 03, 2020, 05:11:35 PM
Frankie with the strong 1st half
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: CWSooner on January 03, 2020, 05:31:30 PM
Keep it up, Bobcats!
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on January 06, 2020, 10:30:46 PM
LendingTree Bowl bringing it, not in quality, but in entertainment
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 10, 2020, 09:20:15 PM
I'm impressed that the bowl thread caught and surpassed the basketball thread in length.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 10, 2020, 10:15:41 PM
That's because basketball is dumb.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 11, 2020, 12:06:08 AM
That's because basketball is dumb.
😂😂
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on January 11, 2020, 02:39:38 PM
I'm impressed that the bowl thread caught and surpassed the basketball thread in length.
the way it should be
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 11, 2020, 03:13:40 PM
Imagine if Clemson was in the SEC instead of USCe ...
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on January 11, 2020, 03:31:33 PM
SEC would be a killer conference like the B1G
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on January 11, 2020, 03:48:04 PM
Imagine if Clemson was in the SEC instead of USCe ...
I assume they'd be 7-5
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 11, 2020, 08:15:46 PM
Maybe at best.  Alabama would slaughter them.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 11, 2020, 09:07:00 PM
Interesting thought....it would depend when Clemson joined the SEC.  
Mediocre program Missuori joined and won the East twice, but has since settled into being "what we thought they were".  
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Miami and FSU have yet to meet in the ACCCG, when the divisions were largely split based on that premise.  
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I believe Clemson would be Auburnish if it joined the past 15 years, something worse if it was before then.  
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: ELA on January 12, 2020, 12:16:15 AM
Yeah all of those 7-5/8-4 Tommy Bowden teams would have been 5-7ish in the SEC, and he doesn't stick around as long.  So who is Clemson hiring in like 2003 or 2004?  Les Miles?  Urban Meyer?  Steve Spurrier?

Urban is the most comparable hire to Tommy Bowden.  Do they get him a year earlier?  Who was the WMU coach who went to Mizzou around then?
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: Cincydawg on January 12, 2020, 08:31:30 AM
Clemson is on an historic run right now anyway.  Their recruiting is insane.
Title: Re: Bowling For Burgers
Post by: FearlessF on January 14, 2020, 09:54:17 PM
must be cheating