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bayareabadger

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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #994 on: January 01, 2020, 11:32:31 PM »


Quote from: FearlessF on January 01, 2020, 10:04:02 PM
Usually doesn't get called, but with the ball coming and the defender that was pushed was in position and trying to make a play on the ball.  The ref felt compelled to call it.
The defender was pushed because he was chest to chest with a wide receiver who was also in the path of the ball. Usually when a receiver is in the path of a ball and a corner is all handsy with him, that is not a flag on the offensive player.

Still too big a moment to get cute with a middling at best call. And if it had gone the other way, I'd be telling you "man, UW got a big break there because that was a mighty dicy call."
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #995 on: January 02, 2020, 12:36:31 AM »
Quote from: Kris60 on January 01, 2020, 09:19:34 PM
None of us wants it that way but to say it shouldn’t be that way is just unrealistic.  Officials are human.  They will make mistakes.  You acknowledge Wisconsin’s errors but sort of gloss over them to dwell on the perceived errors of the officials.  And I get why.  We all tune in to see the players on the field decide the game.  We’ll live with their errors but the second an official makes an error we feel like something has to be done.

We’ll never have that though.  I mean, to me it’s like saying if a fumble or dropped pass decides a game that it shouldn’t be that way.  As long as humans are part of playing and officiating the games we will see mistakes in playing and officiating.
The call the Badgers are complaining about could have gone either direction, which is why it perhaps should not have been called, or if called, called against Oregon. Having said that, I can live with the call. I cannot endorse all the turnovers the Badgers made.

And, I cannot endorse calls against Ohio State in the CFP game. That was badly officiated and bad officiating,  especially replay officiating (they type which is inexecusable), changed the result of the game.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #996 on: January 02, 2020, 07:32:08 AM »
Thursday

3 pm, ESPN
Ticketsmarter Birmingham Bowl
Boston College v. Cincinnati

Boston College is in that awkward phase where they fired their coach for being crappy enough to be in this game, and have already hired a new coach who probably has little interest in the current coaching staff, who are just out here trying to win a game.  On UC's side Fickell is still pounding, with a chance for another 11 win season for Cincy, which ain't bad.  The AAC was pretty strong this year, with several strong teams.  By SP if you took out Clemson they were better than the rest of the ACC.  Also, what is TicketSmarter?  I clicked their website and it almost looks like a scam to get your credit card info.

7 pm, ESPN
TaxSlayer Gator Bowl
Tennessee v. Indiana

Thanks to some truly rotten luck, the Big Ten is 4-4 in bowls instead of 6-2 and now needs a Hoosier win to get above .500.  Their task is to take down the mighty Volunteers of Tennessee.  Perhaps the most puzzling movement I've seen this year was the cry for Jeremy Pruitt to win coach of the year in the SEC after going 7-5 with losses to Georgia State and BYU.  I read one article that he led "the greatest turnaround in program history" after close wins over Kentucky and Missouri.  In any event, Tennessee does play pretty good defense and the Hoosiers can move the ball, although they lost their offensive coordinator so how they move on from that will be a question.  
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #997 on: January 02, 2020, 07:47:42 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 09:35:01 PM
No doubt, UW averaged about a yard more per play, ran more plays and just gave up so many penalty yards.

Outside the Davis fumble, biggest UW play was having 3rd and 4 before that last field goal blown up. Get a jet blown up (after like seven of them) and then unable to cap the drive, that’s a killer. (Bonus play was the hold that made it 1st and 20 from the 39 before the missed kick).

Obviously also must say, the late first half TD and the returns were massive swing plays that helped UW.
Double bonus play was Lotti dropping the ball on a punt attempt. I noticed he never touched the ball again after that.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #998 on: January 02, 2020, 07:49:22 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on January 01, 2020, 11:32:31 PM
The defender was pushed because he was chest to chest with a wide receiver who was also in the path of the ball. Usually when a receiver is in the path of a ball and a corner is all handsy with him, that is not a flag on the offensive player.

Still too big a moment to get cute with a middling at best call. And if it had gone the other way, I'd be telling you "man, UW got a big break there because that was a mighty dicy call."
The "holding" call on a reception to Cephus was even worse. I think it was called on Pryor?
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #999 on: January 02, 2020, 07:54:21 AM »
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #1000 on: January 02, 2020, 07:56:38 AM »
I had not seen any calls for Pruitt to be "CotY", but then, I don't pay much attention to that award.  I guess Coach O won it?  Anyway, Pruitt did get them somewhat back on track and they won the games they COULD have won after the 0-2 start.  Had they beaten Georgia State and BYU (OT), they would be looking at a better opponent in a better bowl game at 9-3, duh.  But they basically edged the lesser teams on their slate after the 0-2.  Some of their fans claim a bad call by the refs led to the defeat at Bama.  Their loses were pretty large scorewise 34-3, 43-14, 35-13.

I think Pruitt might get them back to being dangerous at times, but that 0-2 start should never have happened.  I suspect it will be an ugly looking game with turnovers being decisive.  Duh.  And maybe zebras.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #1001 on: January 02, 2020, 08:25:02 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 02, 2020, 07:49:22 AM
The "holding" call on a reception to Cephus was even worse. I think it was called on Pryor?
I honestly don’t recall. I’ll dig back on it. 
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #1002 on: January 02, 2020, 08:53:36 AM »
The bowl record by conference of course is an oft misleading metric.  Some teams lose, or win, by a narrow margin, and at times the loser clearly outplayed the winner (Wisconsin).  And we can see games like Texas handily beating the Pac 12 runner up and concluding that the B12 must be a great conference.  Whether Indiana prevails against Tennessee or not is not to me any indication of how good or bad the B1G is.  The Vols might win 27-23 for example, and give no real indication that are obviously superior.  They might win the TO battle 4-1 and win 38-13 and still not show that much.  And the bowl game environment is odd.

Ohio State at least went toe to toe with Clemson and lost by a hair's breath.  Clemson could win it all, what does that mean?  And sometimes a conference simply benefits from good seedings in effect, or is hurt by the bad.  And the significant OOC games during the season that COULD be informative are so rare it's hard to conclude much from them.  So, meh.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #1003 on: January 02, 2020, 09:10:53 AM »
We might view bowl outcomes using a kind of scale where even a loss was a good result, maybe 0 +  ++  - --.  I'd give Wisconsin a + for example.  When Florida beat UVA, I might give a + because they did win, but it was not over a solid opponent obvious, same with UGA.  Kentucky had a nice win over probably the 3rd best ACC team if you consider that a something.  Alabama should get a +, and Auburn perhaps a --, they really looked outclassed to me.  Georgia did win in it's usual way.  LSU should get a ++ I think.  Ohio State I'd give a 0, neutral score.  Texas would get a ++, OU would get --.  

Burgers, yum.  There are some good burger places around me, but not many BBQ places of real note (maybe not any).  
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« Reply #1004 on: January 02, 2020, 09:18:43 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on January 02, 2020, 08:25:02 AM
I honestly don’t recall. I’ll dig back on it.
Much appreciated. You do a great job at this stuff.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #1005 on: January 02, 2020, 09:29:05 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 02, 2020, 09:18:43 AM
Much appreciated. You do a great job at this stuff.
Hmm, I honestly can’t find it in the boxscore. 

The hold that set up the field goal miss, that was a good call. 
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« Reply #1006 on: January 02, 2020, 10:01:26 AM »
Yeah, I don't see it in the box score either. On the play I'm talking about, it looked like Pryor was actually trying to grab the defender, and he whiffed. Then he was called for holding anyway.


Maybe all punters are weird, but Lotti is a weird kid, I've heard. I wonder if he goes back to school to finish his degree, or just transfers somewhere else to do it.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #1007 on: January 02, 2020, 10:20:34 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 02, 2020, 10:01:26 AM
Yeah, I don't see it in the box score either. On the play I'm talking about, it looked like Pryor was actually trying to grab the defender, and he whiffed. Then he was called for holding anyway.


Maybe all punters are weird, but Lotti is a weird kid, I've heard. I wonder if he goes back to school to finish his degree, or just transfers somewhere else to do it.
I specifically remember that play. He was called for holding because he had the intent to hold he just missed. It was another horrible call in a sea of them this last few days
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