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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #980 on: January 01, 2020, 09:10:04 PM »
Ha - this from 11 Warriors

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« Reply #981 on: January 01, 2020, 09:11:51 PM »
I guess it is different for everyone but the bowls this year have been entertaining and meaningful.  I really enjoyed seeing the Gophers win as well as Iowa, Spartans and Penn State.  Really wanted to see Badgers win too.  A lot.  I even found myself rooting for UM.  And I have the Indiana game circled as one of my most desired wins.  
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« Reply #982 on: January 01, 2020, 09:17:38 PM »
Ha - this from 11 Warriors

"I'm not a lip reader but I'm pretty sure Paul Chryst uttered some profanities."
looked to me as if the receiver started blocking before the ball was caught

good call IMO

I'm not a fan of all the picks and blocks before the ball is thrown

and I was rooting for the Badgers

that loss cost me a wager with my Brother - now I owe him lunch next week in Texas
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« Reply #983 on: January 01, 2020, 09:19:34 PM »
This season, for me, more than any I can remember- had big games influenced by officiating at critical times- by very questionable calls. 

It shouldn’t be that way.

Wisconsin made critical and often unforced errors- but they still had an opportunity that was taken away by a questionable call at best.
None of us wants it that way but to say it shouldn’t be that way is just unrealistic.  Officials are human.  They will make mistakes.  You acknowledge Wisconsin’s errors but sort of gloss over them to dwell on the perceived errors of the officials.  And I get why.  We all tune in to see the players on the field decide the game.  We’ll live with their errors but the second an official makes an error we feel like something has to be done.

We’ll never have that though.  I mean, to me it’s like saying if a fumble or dropped pass decides a game that it shouldn’t be that way.  As long as humans are part of playing and officiating the games we will see mistakes in playing and officiating.

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« Reply #984 on: January 01, 2020, 09:21:13 PM »
Rhule is a very likable dude.  Last game for the art smock apparently.
Because the Giants won't let him wear that "outfit" on their sidelines?
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« Reply #985 on: January 01, 2020, 09:25:18 PM »
This season, for me, more than any I can remember- had big games influenced by officiating at critical times- by very questionable calls. 

It shouldn’t be that way.

Wisconsin made critical and often unforced errors- but they still had an opportunity that was taken away by a questionable call at best.
I’m betting it’s a blend of better replay, super available replay and more and more rules. Plus I think certain things are being taken more advantage of (OPI and lineman downfield), so we’re looking for it more and refs are looking for the first one more.

Also, put in-studio ref that Badge did not like argued that PI was good, which was annoying although it impacted nothing.

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« Reply #986 on: January 01, 2020, 09:28:23 PM »
The team that makes the fewest mistakes will win.
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« Reply #987 on: January 01, 2020, 09:29:21 PM »
looked to me as if the receiver started blocking before the ball was caught

good call IMO

I'm not a fan of all the picks and blocks before the ball is thrown

and I was rooting for the Badgers

that loss cost me a wager with my Brother - now I owe him lunch next week in Texas
I mean, they were jammed up together for like 8 yards. The DB had hands on him, a guy who the ball was coming at, with the ball in the air too.

On that route combo, he’s supposed to run the defender off, at least when when defender isn’t initiating contact throughout.

(I don’t think it was a game-changing call, but maybe one that was too cute in the moment. I’m betting we could find a ton of OPI picks on actual designed run plays)

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« Reply #988 on: January 01, 2020, 09:35:01 PM »
The team that makes the fewest mistakes will win.
No doubt, UW averaged about a yard more per play, ran more plays and just gave up so many penalty yards.

Outside the Davis fumble, biggest UW play was having 3rd and 4 before that last field goal blown up. Get a jet blown up (after like seven of them) and then unable to cap the drive, that’s a killer. (Bonus play was the hold that made it 1st and 20 from the 39 before the missed kick).

Obviously also must say, the late first half TD and the returns were massive swing plays that helped UW.

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« Reply #989 on: January 01, 2020, 09:45:30 PM »
I do wonder (as this was something that did occur from time to time in my own playing days) if there was some culmination of verbal warnings by the official regarding WR contact with the DB during the game, which led to an eventual penalty.    It is not unusual for either lobbying to lead to a foul, or a ref proactively telling a player to knock it off, and frankly letting it slide no more.   Of course, one would have to watch all of Davis' routes, or  learn of the sideline banter.

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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #990 on: January 01, 2020, 09:48:03 PM »
None of us wants it that way but to say it shouldn’t be that way is just unrealistic.  Officials are human.  They will make mistakes.  You acknowledge Wisconsin’s errors but sort of gloss over them to dwell on the perceived errors of the officials.  And I get why.  We all tune in to see the players on the field decide the game.  We’ll live with their errors but the second an official makes an error we feel like something has to be done.

We’ll never have that though.  I mean, to me it’s like saying if a fumble or dropped pass decides a game that it shouldn’t be that way.  As long as humans are part of playing and officiating the games we will see mistakes in playing and officiating.
No I’m not really glossing over anything. I acknowledge that Wisconsin lost because they made too many errors.  I will acknowledge it again now - for absolute clarity.  Wisconsin lost because they made too many mistakes.
now - changing gears, I think the quality of officiating this season was very poor.  Too many errors that were obvious- especially in games between good teams.

I could give so many examples but let’s start with the Rose Bowl.  Did you see the error they made in marking Wisconsin to 4 th and 1 at the goal line?  They must marked it by a full yard. The Badgers scored anyway.  The PI they called effectively ended the game. It was a critical call at a critical time and probably would not have affected the play.

we all know the targeting problem.  No two plays are called consistently- but it has affected big games this season at highly critical times.

and lastly, video review.  How often do we see calls reversed when the evidence is not only not indisputable- but supports the call on the field.  Or the opposite. Nobody even knows what a catch even is anymore.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #991 on: January 01, 2020, 09:50:29 PM »
I have to go on a rant for a second.  One of my real pet peeves are these guys whose primary responsibility is to hold onto another coach’s belt or pants or whatever in order to keep him from going out of the field.

This is all theatrical bullshit.  Football has been around 150 years but suddenly we have a plethora of coaches so into their job that they need another grown man to physically hold them back from going out onto the field?  Bullshit.  It’s for the cameras.

You know what will teach a coach to keep his ass on the sidelines?  A flag.  Or even the threat of a flag.  There’s a lot of jobs I’d be interested in doing as an assistant coach on a football team.  I’d gladly watch and breakdown thousands of hours worth of film.  The first time someone asked me to hold onto a coach’s belt the whole game I’d be out.

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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #992 on: January 01, 2020, 10:04:02 PM »
I mean, they were jammed up together for like 8 yards. The DB had hands on him, a guy who the ball was coming at, with the ball in the air too.

On that route combo, he’s supposed to run the defender off, at least when when defender isn’t initiating contact throughout.

(I don’t think it was a game-changing call, but maybe one that was too cute in the moment. I’m betting we could find a ton of OPI picks on actual designed run plays)
Usually doesn't get called, but with the ball coming and the defender that was pushed was in position and trying to make a play on the ball.  The ref felt compelled to call it.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #993 on: January 01, 2020, 10:35:19 PM »
As I rewatched the PI call, I leaned to thinking it was the correct call, I did not at first.  It was a tough call no doubt.  It's rough when the refs determine the outcome of games so visibly.  There were a lot of other plays of course where they didn't.  I have to think of it as random "stuff" that happens, like a ball batted in the air that falls to the ground, or into someone's hands.

A lot of football between competitive teams is random, and turnovers are both huge and unpredictable.

 

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