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Cincydawg

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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #588 on: December 29, 2019, 02:24:10 PM »
I've seen players called for hitting the QB low when they clearly were blocked into the QB.  We've all seen all sorts of calls missed or mangled.  I usually give the benefit of the doubt because it happens so fast in real time, but that PI call they missed earlier was so egregious it's hard to see how it could be missed (on LSU).  That ACC crew was worse than the SEC crew IMHO, it just didn't impact the outcome.

I have to take is as "part of the game", like a pass that bounces off a receiver and is intercepted, or dropped.  I recall one in an earlier game where the pass was bobbled, bounced of a player almost on the ground, and right into the hands of a large fellow for a Pick 6.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #589 on: December 29, 2019, 02:29:43 PM »
And thats my point too, @Cincydawg .... If refs are in position to decide game, one team is not decisively better than the other. 

The facemask on the LSU QB was 'missed'... It was obvious when its so bad the player adjusts his hat immediately following and all right on front of two refs.... Did it matter? Not even a little... In a tight game, and lets say OU recovered the fumble... We'd be talking about that..... 
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #590 on: December 29, 2019, 03:02:43 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on December 29, 2019, 08:54:54 AM
Ohio St halftime scores:

28-3
28-0
30-10
49-5
38-0
27-10
31-3
10-0
42-0
35-7
14-0
28-16
7-21

Not sure I’m buying the argument Ohio St was just too beat up from playing into the 4th quarter every game.
Are you kidding me? 

Show me on Clemson's schedule what compares to...

 Michigan.... 
Wisconsin x2.... 
PSU..... 

Ohio State couldn't rest their top players by half, like Clemson could. 

Maryland and Rutgers can count as their OOC FCS opponents, but Clemson doesn't compare as far as schedule. 

I know there is a degree of separation with Clemson and WVU, but the defense for their pathetic schedule and conference is stretching it.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #591 on: December 29, 2019, 03:04:28 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2019, 11:19:55 AM
Here is the replay. Nobody is talking about the "hands to the face" no-call on #73 on this play.



https://twitter.com/espn/status/1211115074351329280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1211115074351329280&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fftw.usatoday.com%2F2019%2F12%2Fohio-state-shaun-wade-targeting-trevor-lawrence
Maryland averaged 3 of those a game this year, along with holding, which apparently doesn't happen at any school yesterday. 
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #592 on: December 29, 2019, 03:08:17 PM »
Ohio St. played a much tougher schedule than Clemson

no debate, but the Buckeyes could have rested their starters much more if that was a thing

that was not the issue last night
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #593 on: December 29, 2019, 03:14:03 PM »
Yes, noting the half time scores is not the same as claiming OSU played a weaker slate than did Clemson.  A team plausibly could play a very difficult schedule and still have every game in hand at the half and be able to rest starters.  I don't know when OSU rested starters versus Clemson in their games.  Clemson likely had them all in late in the game in Chapel Hill though.

I was thinking last night about field goals when it was 16-0.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #594 on: December 29, 2019, 03:23:06 PM »
at least the chip shot FGs weren't missed
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #595 on: December 29, 2019, 03:41:50 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2019, 10:11:23 AM
More like, "He wanted us to shoot him full of stuff so he could finish the game. So, we did as asked."


That's how it works. Team players wanna play for their team. Others prepare for the draft.
Wow.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #596 on: December 29, 2019, 03:44:52 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 29, 2019, 12:02:38 PM


Ohio State had a bunch of trips to the red zone and they got 3 or none how many times? 
While it's stupid to narrow the dozens of reasons why a team wins or loses a game down to just one, we tend to do that all the time.  If we had to pick one thing, this is it.  Not bad calls, not bad no-calls, but this.  
If it's 24-7, OSU wins the game.  Period.  Done.  Then we could avoid the whine-fest for 5 pages.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #597 on: December 29, 2019, 04:45:31 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2019, 03:44:52 PM
While it's stupid to narrow the dozens of reasons why a team wins or loses a game down to just one, we tend to do that all the time.  If we had to pick one thing, this is it.  Not bad calls, not bad no-calls, but this. 
If it's 24-7, OSU wins the game.  Period.  Done.  Then we could avoid the whine-fest for 5 pages.
I'm sorry but these are always the silliest takes. Had OSU scored more points, they would have been more likely to win the game? How can no one have thought of that before??
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #598 on: December 29, 2019, 04:51:33 PM »
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #599 on: December 29, 2019, 04:51:40 PM »
Every competitive game comes down to 2-3-4 conspicuous and probably 8-9-10 inconspicuous "what ifs".  It's the nature of the sport (and every sport).  This one had several of the conspicuous types obviously, and they merit some discussion.  Ten years from now, five even, all that will be remembered is that it was a close game, if that, and Clemson won, and not even that if LSU beats them.

Did I mention the 1984 Cotton Bowl?
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #600 on: December 29, 2019, 04:58:45 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on December 29, 2019, 04:45:31 PM
I'm sorry but these are always the silliest takes. Had OSU scored more points, they would have been more likely to win the game? How can no one have thought of that before??
It specifies that those handful of plays are the reason why a team lost, not the other excuses.  Winning teams score TDs.  Losing teams kick FGs.  That point has plenty within it for it not to be silly.
OSU was moving the ball - they had to be, or else they wouldn't have had that many trips inside the 20.
A combination of OSU's failures and Clemson's efforts prevented OSU from getting into the end zone when they were so close.
If OSU clamps down and the defense keeps it up, OSU wins easily and the failed red zone trips don't matter - but we realize Clemson had to have come back for those failures to cost OSU in the end.
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You know, a silly little point can contain many inferences.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #601 on: December 29, 2019, 05:00:18 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2019, 04:58:45 PM
It specifies that those handful of plays are the reason why a team lost, not the other excuses.  Winning teams score TDs.  Losing teams kick FGs.  That point has plenty within it for it not to be silly.
OSU was moving the ball - they had to be, or else they wouldn't have had that many trips inside the 20.
A combination of OSU's failures and Clemson's efforts prevented OSU from getting into the end zone when they were so close.
If OSU clamps down and the defense keeps it up, OSU wins easily and all the FG trips don't matter - but we realize Clemson did come back, and thus, the FGs came back to bite OSU in the butt. 


Well no shit. Also three 50/50 calls that all go against OSU and cause a 21 point swing also affect the outcome. 
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