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medinabuckeye1

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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #742 on: December 31, 2019, 11:42:32 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 31, 2019, 11:34:37 AM
spiking the ball to stop the clock is like most other rules, designed to promote offense and more points on the board
But it does not just favor the offense it also favors that team that is behind.  That keeps games interesting longer.  
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #743 on: December 31, 2019, 11:49:45 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 31, 2019, 11:34:37 AM
spiking the ball to stop the clock is like most other rules, designed to promote offense and more points on the board
Yup.  Which is one reason I want it gone.  
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #744 on: December 31, 2019, 11:54:32 AM »
I vaguely recall that the old rule was "vague".  A QB would quickly throw a ball OB over a WR's head to stop the clock.  Sometimes grounding would be called, I think.  I didn't know this, interesting.

In Canadian football, spike plays are legal but very rare. This is mainly because a final play is always run whenever the game clock expires while the ball is dead, rendering spike plays unnecessary. Also, the offense in Canadian football only receives three downs instead of four.

This strategy for stopping the clock became legal in the early 1990s and has become standard operating procedure around the league since. It is a legal form of intentional grounding, since the quarterback is not looking to avoid a sack and immediately throws the ball to the ground after taking the snap.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #745 on: December 31, 2019, 12:05:33 PM »
I think we should look at the intent of intentional grounding.  It clearly states in the rules, that it's intended to prevent Team A from gaining an advantage from lost yardage, or from lost time, by throwing a pass that is clearly not intended for a receiver.  However the spike rule is a special allowance, which is deliberately counter to those intentions, despite the fact that it's a pass that is clearly not intended for a receiver.

I simply want to get rid of the extra exception, make the rule consistent.  I don't like such inconsistencies in the rules across the board, and I'm in favor of eliminating them and simplifying the game.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #746 on: December 31, 2019, 12:17:06 PM »
There really is no penalty for intentional grounding versus being sacked, and the clock stops, which can be desirable.

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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #747 on: December 31, 2019, 12:34:46 PM »
I'd like to see ALL intentional grounding called

this outside of the tackle and ball thrown to the LOS is BULL!@#$

it's very intentional

try to make a play or get called

I think they are just trying to protect the QB and of course reward the offense to score more points
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #748 on: December 31, 2019, 12:42:45 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 31, 2019, 12:17:06 PM
There really is no penalty for intentional grounding versus being sacked, and the clock stops, which can be desirable.


In the NFL I believe it's 10 yards, or the would-be sack yardage?  Don't recall exactly.  It's not often called.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #749 on: December 31, 2019, 12:45:21 PM »
So apparently Kentucky’s QB punched a VT DL before the game but it wasn’t within an hour of kickoff so they didn’t boot him.

Already a couple of penalties on both teams for jawing.  Wouldn’t be surprised to see cheap shots before this one is over.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #750 on: December 31, 2019, 02:02:24 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 31, 2019, 12:34:46 PM
I'd like to see ALL intentional grounding called

this outside of the tackle and ball thrown to the LOS is BULL!@#$

it's very intentional

try to make a play or get called

I think they are just trying to protect the QB and of course reward the offense to score more points
Throwing the ball away is what good QBs do.  They're taught that from a young age.  And you just want to reverse that?  Force the ball into a bad spot!  Risk untold interceptions!  
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Crabby old man talk.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #751 on: December 31, 2019, 02:15:10 PM »
throw it away in the field of play, out of the endzone, near the sideline

don't simply pitch it in the 14th row because your play sucked
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #752 on: December 31, 2019, 02:18:43 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 31, 2019, 02:02:24 PM
Throwing the ball away is what good QBs do.  They're taught that from a young age.  And you just want to reverse that?  Force the ball into a bad spot!  Risk untold interceptions! 
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Crabby old man talk.
Throwing it away is what good QBs do because it's allowed by the rules.

Originally, incomplete passes were turnovers.  So things could be a lot worse for the QB...

As for the final comment, yeah, crabby old man talk for sure.  From both Fearless AND myself. :)

But we all have things we'd like to change about the game.  
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #753 on: December 31, 2019, 02:19:36 PM »
In Tucson for New Year’s. Using family friend’s giveaway tickets to attend Arizona Bowl. Kickoff in 2 hours. Having a drink just off campus. Wyoming Vs Georgia St. Lots more Wyoming fans prowling about.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #754 on: December 31, 2019, 02:23:54 PM »
After every incomplete pass the new LOS is from where the QB threw it.

Genius, right? Am I right?
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #755 on: December 31, 2019, 02:27:34 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on December 31, 2019, 02:23:54 PM
After every incomplete pass the new LOS is from where the QB threw it.

Genius, right? Am I right?
Interesting indeed.
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