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Topic: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #98 on: September 02, 2018, 04:49:08 PM »
Quote from: ELA on September 02, 2018, 03:39:30 PM
I don't get why so many people seem like we have to determine if Harbaugh is Saban/Meyer or a total fraud?  It's like the chance, that he's just a fine coach, nothing more, nothing less, which seems most likely to me, isnt even open for consideration.  Like maybe he's Brian Kelly or Mike Gundy.  Good enough to deserve his job, but not some sort of program savior.
With that contract come expectations.What was the stat lost to the last 14/15 ranked opponents.If that was hovering around .500 that'd be acceptable.Take the money,take the grief.Doesn't help that Sparty down the street has been piecing together some nice seasons and wins over him
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #99 on: September 02, 2018, 04:51:01 PM »
Quote from: ELA on September 02, 2018, 03:39:30 PM
I don't get why so many people seem like we have to determine if Harbaugh is Saban/Meyer or a total fraud?  It's like the chance, that he's just a fine coach, nothing more, nothing less, which seems most likely to me, isnt even open for consideration.  Like maybe he's Brian Kelly or Mike Gundy.  Good enough to deserve his job, but not some sort of program savior.
When you are paying a guy like he's Saban or Meyer, it's not unreasonable to expect more than a 1-6 record in rivalry games, 1-2 in Bowl games and a bunch of 3rd/4th place B1G East finishes.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #100 on: September 02, 2018, 05:01:41 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on September 02, 2018, 04:27:49 PM

But that doesn't help him win the next game.  With the European trips and his being as much of the focus as the team, maybe he's worried too much about the motivating and not enough about the Xs and Os?  Idk.
My brother said the same thing last night and i completely agree. Right now it looks like the game is passing him by.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #101 on: September 02, 2018, 05:23:59 PM »
his offensive scheme is suited for the pros but his personality is suited for college. 

College game is all about spreading it out and offense and creativity and fast pace. He’s got a talented QB perfect for that style and he’s had 9 months to tweak things and he proved last night he has no clue what he’s doing when it comes to offense. 

If he would have went out and got the next Lincoln Riley or Joe Moorehead or Tom Herman to run his offense and call the plays they probably would’ve beaten Notre Dame last night.

His offensive philosophy is Stone Age and his tackles once again suck- just like they did last year.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #102 on: September 02, 2018, 05:31:10 PM »
Also- want to know why Urbz keeps wiping the floor with Harbaugh?

Urban will go out of his comfort zone and hire top offensive co-ordinators that he doesn’t know but are top guys in the sport. Ryan Day. Kevin Wilson. Tom Herman. Urban doesn’t mess around. He just hires really good offensive coaches and if they don’t get the job done he makes changes. He’ll fire your ass and replace you. Except if you’re a WR coach of course.

Harbaugh kept Pep around and he keeps having his thumbprint on the offense. So when it continues to not work and the offense continues to suck- he’s got no one to blame but himself.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #103 on: September 02, 2018, 06:45:22 PM »
its a little bit old but I didn’t see this til recently. Cris Carter talking about Michigan and Harbaugh’s offense. Hard to disagree with anything he says in it.


https://youtu.be/qDugWFGLuMc
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #104 on: September 02, 2018, 06:56:12 PM »
ya gotta have a running game

especially in the Big Ten
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #105 on: September 02, 2018, 07:04:10 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 02, 2018, 06:56:12 PM
ya gotta have a running game

especially in the Big Ten
Running game hasn’t been his offenses problem.
It’s been offensive lines that can’t identify stunts or blitzes. Offensive tackles that can’t pass block to save their lives. RBs who are terrible in pass pro. Lack of development at QB and WR.
Predictable and stupid play calling. Lack of imagination or creativity on offense.
And really awful personnel use. Sending 5’9 RB Karan Higdon out wide and throwing him the ball 20 yards down the field on a critical 3rd down is a prime example of this. Higdon is a runner first and foremost. That’s honestly all he’s competent at as he is terrible in pass pro and he isn’t a natural route runner or pass catcher. You know who is? Chris Evans- their other RB who could honestly probably play slot WR at a decent level in college. If you’re gonna call that play to a RB- call it for Evans maybe? 

Reminded me of last year when they kept throwing goal-line fades to 5’11, 180 pound slot receiver Eddie McDoom instead of to their 6’7 TE or their 6’2 frosh WR with a 45” vertical.
It’s really honestly just bad coaching all the way around on offense.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #106 on: September 02, 2018, 08:33:21 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 02, 2018, 07:04:10 PM
Running game hasn’t been his offenses problem.
It’s been offensive lines that can’t identify stunts or blitzes. Offensive tackles that can’t pass block to save their lives. RBs who are terrible in pass pro. Lack of development at QB and WR.
Predictable and stupid play calling. Lack of imagination or creativity on offense.
And really awful personnel use. Sending 5’9 RB Karan Higdon out wide and throwing him the ball 20 yards down the field on a critical 3rd down is a prime example of this. Higdon is a runner first and foremost. That’s honestly all he’s competent at as he is terrible in pass pro and he isn’t a natural route runner or pass catcher. You know who is? Chris Evans- their other RB who could honestly probably play slot WR at a decent level in college. If you’re gonna call that play to a RB- call it for Evans maybe?

Reminded me of last year when they kept throwing goal-line fades to 5’11, 180 pound slot receiver Eddie McDoom instead of to their 6’7 TE or their 6’2 frosh WR with a 45” vertical.
It’s really honestly just bad coaching all the way around on offense.
Yep. Nailed it
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #107 on: September 02, 2018, 08:45:11 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 02, 2018, 07:04:10 PM
Running game hasn’t been his offenses problem.

It’s really honestly just bad coaching all the way around on offense.
you are probably correct, but 58 yards rushing on 33 carries is going to hurt the passing game, pass blocking and play calling
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #108 on: September 02, 2018, 09:10:47 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 02, 2018, 08:45:11 PM
you are probably correct, but 58 yards rushing on 33 carries is going to hurt the passing game, pass blocking and play calling
When you run the same play every time on 1st and 2nd down, it’s not the passing game.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #109 on: September 03, 2018, 08:36:05 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on September 02, 2018, 04:51:01 PM
When you are paying a guy like he's Saban or Meyer, it's not unreasonable to expect more than a 1-6 record in rivalry games, 1-2 in Bowl games and a bunch of 3rd/4th place B1G East finishes.
Not sure where to start with Harbaugh, but here’s as good a place as any - I don’t see Harbaugh being fired for a number of reasons. He’ll probably go 8-5 again and that won’t be enough to pay him his $30 Million buyout or bother looking for a new guy after the tower of fanfare that ushered in Harbaugh to begin with. A Harbaugh exit will have to be something that’s managed over the course of several seasons by denying extensions and salary while the time on his enormous contract is whittled down. There’s just no way around being stuck with Harbaugh at this point.

And meanwhile Michigan fans can hold out the hope that their guy will take the many opportunities he has left to beat Michigan St, Penn St, Wisconsin, and of course the Buckeyes.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #110 on: September 03, 2018, 09:03:12 AM »
money is not an issue at Michigan
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #111 on: September 03, 2018, 09:21:42 AM »
Hmmm, I can’t recall if I talked about this a few years back, but at the time I’d remembered how his San Francisco offenses started to feel stale. Granted feeling stale is often just a reaction to results, but interesting to see that we’re here now. 
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