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Topic: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2

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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #84 on: September 12, 2018, 08:14:02 PM »
Within the division is a little misleading as well. The good teams don't "have to" play themselves, while the bad teams don't "get to" play themselves. 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #85 on: September 12, 2018, 10:22:53 PM »
Oh you can use whatever you like.  Go ahead and post rankings if you want, just don't get so upset when people question your rankings.  There are a few things that you need to realize:
  • It takes a while for us to get used to your system.  For example, IIRC, you start out treating all wins as better than all losses.  I disagree.  If Maryland had lost in OT to Bama back in week one while MSU and PSU were barely escaping teams that they should have throttled I would have considered Maryland's performance to be better than MSU's and PSU's.  Now that I know that you do that consistently it doesn't make me ask questions.  
  • If your system seems to always favor your team then yeah, people are going to call that out.  
  • Anytime your vote is an extreme outlier (see @Hawkinole above) you are likely to get questioned about it.  
Except this is fake news. 
Perhaps it's others perception that a team has been historically bad, so recruiting and performance that can be seen by those closer to the program, is neglected. 
I'm very critical of the Terps.  However, I can see talent  where it's quite obvious from people here, they don't. 
But, I just laugh about it and move on. 
The NFL picks the talent, not the CFB forum posters.
How a team performs vs another team who may be considered even, or slightly better, is how I used my rankings, and as teams got better or worse, and my team lost, my rankings adjusted throughout the season.
I have no obligation or benefit to "boost" my teams rankings.
I just don't believe in the "eye test".
If I was to go by that, I'd put Maryland up there with Wisconsin, because the outcomes of those games this weekend, were very similar. Down to the slow start, and how they finished.
But, you don't see that.  You see "Maryland" and vote accordingly. 

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #86 on: September 13, 2018, 06:50:50 AM »
Of course you can see talent - we all can see talent when we use the eye test. I don't think there is any other way to see talent.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #87 on: September 13, 2018, 07:40:18 AM »
If you can't see the year-over-year improvement at Madison, I can't help you. The staff is really doing a great job up there.
My neurotic self demands this year’s improvement start manifesting itself better early in games.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #88 on: September 13, 2018, 07:43:08 AM »
@mcwterps1 :

I'm not sure what you think is "fake news".  

As I explained, it DID take us some time to get used to yours system.  It just did and the same would be true of any new voter particularly one who showed up with a new team.  I don't know how you consider this fake?  

There were times in past years when you ranked UMD considerably higher than the other voters.  As the guy who compiles the votes I know this.  

You were questioned about extreme outlier votes just like @Hawkinole was this week.  

Where is the fake news?  


Regarding Maryland, you said "I can see talent where it's quite obvious from people here, they don't."  

Do you mean to suggest that we should have Maryland ranked higher than they are now?  Maryland currently has:
  • Two votes for #4
  • One vote for #5
  • Two votes for #6
  • 11 votes for #7
  • One vote for #8
  • Two votes for #9
FWIW:  I am one of the eleven votes for #7. The Terps started out #10 and moved up two spots after beating Texas in week one then another spot after beating Bowling Green on the road in week two.  What is holding them back?  

IMHO, what is holding them back is that in this like most things in life, the higher you climb the more difficult the climb becomes.  Back in the preseason the Terps were ranked #10 and they were closer to #11 (Indiana) and #12 (Minnesota) than they were to #9 (Nebraska).  When you are being compared to IU and MN a win over a (then) ranked Texas team is quite impressive.  Similarly, the Terps 45-14 road win over BGSU was quite impressive when comparing the Terps to Northwestern and Purdue in week two.  

Things get more difficult as you continue to climb because if #1 (Ohio State) or #2 (Wisconsin) were to barely beat a barely ranked team in a quasi-home game (like UMD's win over TX) or trailed a MAC team deep in the third quarter (like UMD did at BG) people wouldn't be impressed.  Instead, they would be saying "what the heck is wrong with (Ohio State/Wisconsin) that they were not more dominant against (Texas/Bowling Green)".  

I do not believe that any of us have caps or floors based on "helmet" as you suggested with your comment that we "see Maryland and vote accordingly".  When I was in school Nebraska was pretty much the biggest helmet of them all and right now we have them closely bunched in with Minnesota and Northwestern for 9th/10th/11th.  If we voted based on name alone, we'd have them in a struggle with Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan for 1st/2nd/3rd/4th.  

That said, I know that early in the season my votes are impacted by my preseason feelings about each team.  I feel that I have to do that because two games simply isn't enough to determine how good or bad a team is.  In part this is because nobody knows how good or bad each teams' opponents were.  Texas might end up being 12-1 and champions of the Big12 or they might end up 1-11 and a complete doormat.  My view of Maryland's 5 point quasi-home win over Texas would be very different in those different possible scenarios.  

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #89 on: September 13, 2018, 09:27:06 AM »
My neurotic self demands this year’s improvement start manifesting itself better early in games.
Me too, and I think it will as the offense and defense take on more flavor to blend with the vanilla.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #90 on: September 13, 2018, 10:31:13 AM »
Massey composite rankings (56 rankings), with last week in parenthesis...

  • Alabama (1)
  • OHIO STATE (2)
  • Georgia (5)
  • Oklahoma (3)
  • PENN STATE (8)
  • Clemson (4)
  • WISCONSIN (6)
  • Auburn (7)
  • Stanford (10)
  • Mississippi State (18)
  • Notre Dame (9)
  • LSU (11)
  • Boise State (19)
  • Virginia Tech (12)
  • TCU (17)
  • IOWA (21)
  • Washington (13)
  • Oklahoma State (15)
  • Central Florida (16)
  • MICHIGAN (23)
  • Duke (-)
  • USC (14)
  • MICHIGAN STATE (20)
  • NC State (-)
  • Miami (25)

  • 34. Northwestern (22)
  • 44. Minnesota (52)
  • 50. Maryland (60)
  • 55. Indiana (55)
  • 66. Purdue (54)
  • 73. Nebraska (65)
  • 89. Rutgers (84)
  • 91. Illinois (102)

 

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