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Topic: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-0) at #12 Notre Dame (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #70 on: August 30, 2018, 10:48:50 PM »
Agreed, Cesar Ruiz might have been the nation's best HS Center prospect (admittedly there aren't many pure ones) in 15 years. And even as a TrFr, he was a hit. Plus Bredeson and Onwenu really mauled as run blockers last year. If Warriner can ONLY fix the issue with pass blocking on stunts (or even just reduce those failures in half), then this will compete for the second or third best interior line in the Big Ten. The problem is the tackles. Can they even be sixth best? If they can, then Michigan can be a pretty thorny team.
there is zero reason for the interior OL not to be very good. They have a heck of an OL coach in Ed Warriner. LG Ben Bredeson and RG Mike Onwenu are both going to be juniors with playing experience. Bredeson was the #5 rated OT recruit and the #39th ranked player overall in the 247Composite class of 2016 rankings. Onwenu was the #4 rated OG recruit and the #87 player overall in the same class. Onwenu is the biggest, strongest guy on that entire team. Cesar Ruiz was the 6th OL and then wound up starting 5 games last as a true frosh at right guard after Onwenu was injured. Ruiz was the #1 rated OC recruit and the #47 ranked player overall in the 247Composite class of 2017 rankings.
It'd be a big disappointment if Warriner didn't get those guys in the middle playing at a high level. With there raw talent and Warriner's coaching accumen- you definitely expect them to come into their own in the middle.
Tackle is still pretty terrifying. All I have to say is thank god they don't have to face Bosa Jr until the last game of the season. Plenty of time to figure it out between now and then.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-0) at #12 Notre Dame (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #71 on: August 30, 2018, 11:18:06 PM »
Yeah, Runyan and JBB aren't high level starting material. But ... Warriner? We'll see.

Losing Newsome and Devery Hamilton was brutal for Michigan.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-0) at #12 Notre Dame (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #72 on: August 30, 2018, 11:28:36 PM »
Yeah, Runyan and JBB aren't high level starting material. But ... Warriner? We'll see.

Losing Newsome and Devery Hamilton was brutal for Michigan.
Yeah. Don't remind me.
IF Newsome doesn't get injured and Hamilton doesn't flip to Stanford at the last minute this is a championship level OL unit. F'ing sucks.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-0) at #12 Notre Dame (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #73 on: August 30, 2018, 11:43:39 PM »
Even then, though, I'm not sure Drevno was the answer.

Devil's advocate of the devil's advocate: if Hamilton and Newsome are on the roster and the Michigan OL rides the positive buzz ... where's Isaiah Wilson go?

CFB snowballs. Still. I'm v. glad about Warriner and the interior three. And Hudson and Mayfield will have their day. Perhaps next year - almost certainly for Hudson. Mayfield will have to hold of Stueber and others first.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-0) at #12 Notre Dame (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #74 on: September 01, 2018, 04:20:47 PM »
I am typically loathe to think that betting spreads are worth our discussion, but ... this one has moved 3.5 points in the last 24 hours, which is highly unusual (even *with* jokes about dumb Michigan gamblers).

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-0) at #12 Notre Dame (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #75 on: September 01, 2018, 07:44:06 PM »
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-0) at #12 Notre Dame (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #76 on: September 01, 2018, 08:27:17 PM »
Michigan is still in this

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-0) at #12 Notre Dame (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #77 on: September 01, 2018, 08:31:05 PM »

Hotter version of the chick on "Always Sunny...."
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-0) at #12 Notre Dame (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #78 on: September 01, 2018, 08:57:19 PM »
It looks certain to be low scoring, ergo ...

ND 27  UM 24

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-0) at #12 Notre Dame (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #79 on: September 01, 2018, 09:37:03 PM »
michigan's defense?
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-0) at #12 Notre Dame (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #80 on: September 02, 2018, 12:15:38 AM »
michigan's defense?
Turning around this game to give the offense a chance (3 points and 64 yards allowed in the 2nd half) was a first step in the right direction.
They were essentially their normal selves for most of the game. It's just that it took two EXCRUTIATING drives before they found themselves -- and those two ND drives were decisive in this game. Football doesn't work this way, but without those drives, the game is exactly what we all expected (talking about scoring totals/range in a race to 15 points; AKA: this is not a comment about "if only...then Michigan'd win"). 
Even then, I don't know that I can complain much about the long passes for ND on those first two drives. The DBs were excellently positioned (being there and getting your head turned around to make a play is almost the entire goal in coverage) and the ball still found the receiver -- especially that first TD. For the DBs, I don't think that's something to fix, nor do I think those balls would usually end up as a reception if replayed 10 times. 
When it's like that, there's no choice but to shrug and say "crap, sometimes the offense wins."
So I am not worried about the defense. They definitely have things to improve. Michigan had serious issues tracking Wimbush on the ground in the first half. He's a star on the ground, and the ND line is tits. So there's room for forgiveness that the Michigan front wasn't ready from 15:00 in the 1st. Still, if that is not 100% fixed it will bode very unwell for OSU. 
Mixed into that, Michigan will miss Mo Hurst and conveniently convinced ourselves the transition would be no big deal. Even then, the line is still very good. The whole D could live up to expectations. 
But how hard will this offense make them work for it?

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #81 on: September 02, 2018, 12:24:10 AM »
The main issues for me:

- holy crap that was not good clock management

- Runyan and JBB are not viable options at tackle versus a topflight DL. OSU has one. UW has one. MSU and PSU also come close. Given how long they've had to "get there," I'm hoping the coaches started them tonight solely because starting younger kids in this environment on the road was a non-starter (no pun), and that two of James Hudson and Stueber or Mayfield (or other) take their place versus WMU.

The OT roster clearly isn't perfect, but there are younger guys with higher ceilings. With ND behind us, it's probably time to kick those tires.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #82 on: September 02, 2018, 02:56:45 AM »
It sounds like McCaffery actually *is* third on the depth chart but Peters recently "tweaked" (minor?) his knee. That is consistent with the predicted depth quality and is good for the team.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #83 on: September 02, 2018, 03:44:35 AM »
SShea is gonna be really good if this OL doesn’t get him killed. 

Ruiz had a bad game. Expected much more from the #1 center recruit. He still gets lost in pass pro and let’s his guy go right past him while he’s blocking the wrong guy or air. I’d bench him for Spannellis if he doesn’t turn around in the next couple weeks.

Tackles suck. Start Jalen Mayfield at LT and James Hudson at RT and be done with it. 

Harbaugh was pathetic. Just all-around pathetic. Honestly. Play calling, clock management, personnel use. Just disgusting.

The TE’s sucked. McKeon and Gentry stunk it up. The WR’s looked much improved over last year.

Brad Hawkins is an upgrade over Mettelus. If they don’t start him going forward they are stupid. Mettelus sucks. 

Team came out flat and Notre Dame just pounced all over them to start the game. ND played with high energy and there was an electricity there that just wasn’t there for Michigan. Harbaugh didn’t have his guys ready to play. At all.

 

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