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Topic: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game

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847badgerfan

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #196 on: September 08, 2018, 08:04:15 AM »
For PC's first year at UW the OL was a disaster. He walked into a mess. Poor recruiting and player retirements made it so.


2011 had 1 leave the program and had 1 (Kasl) start for 3 years.


2012 had all 3 OL retire due to injury.


2013 had all 3 OL retire due to injury.


2014 had 5 OL. One never made it to the program (mental illness) and one retired early to concentrate on academics. 2 are current starters (Deiter and Benz) and one is a primary backup (Kapoi). All 3 of those that remained started in 2015 as RS-F. There was no other choice.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #197 on: September 08, 2018, 10:31:03 AM »
If "disaster" is relative, then I agree.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #198 on: September 08, 2018, 12:02:11 PM »
So Michigan has lost that many, for similar reasons? They lost all but 4 OL recruits (out of 13 total) from 2011 through 2014, when both PC and JH took over? If so, yeah, then Michigan was a "disaster" too.


Or is just bad recruiting judgement and piss-poor development, given the STARZ gap between the two programs?


I'm leaning toward the piss-poor development, given that one of the programs has built an offensive line and the other hasn't.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #199 on: September 08, 2018, 02:15:52 PM »
Sometimes I wish more fans would actually pay attention to the OL instead of the skill players. I don't care how good of a QB, RB, or WR you have, if the OL can't block, your offense is going to suck.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #200 on: September 11, 2018, 09:06:07 AM »
So, U of M fans; anything seen in Game #2, that you think would have changed the result of the ND game?

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #201 on: September 11, 2018, 10:13:51 AM »
So, U of M fans; anything seen in Game #2, that you think would have changed the result of the ND game?
I guess I start and end with the obvious - that the (disastrous) first two ND drives are outliers against the M defense this year (and for the last few years). In a way it may also have been an outlier performance for Wimbush.
Especially the success ND had through the air. Those drives relied on pin perfect passes into great coverage. For example, on the first TD, the defender (Hawkins) in best position actually had the ball all to himself with two hands for an INT but upon contact with the ground, he didn't just lose it, he lost it in juuuust the right way to gently hand it to the undersized WR behind him. 
So I guess I doubt the replicability of ND's offensive success. Of course, sometimes the offense wins, the end, but the game started uncharacteristically for both sides, and that seems rare, and least likely to repeat.
Possible caveats: Someone could argue that ND packed things in after their second drive. That's pretty early to believe but I can at least say "maybe". Though even that doesn't address the weirdness of those drives.
Irrelevant Elsewhere: I mean it's too early to have learned much about the Michigan offense. I suppose there is some opponent-invariant good news: in both games, Shea has been what we thought he was, which is a good thing. And the WRs have really improved from last year. This is not a comment that would change the outcome of the first game in a rematch, though. 
More relevant but still irrelevant: the coaches seem close to switching out both tackles. Runyon and JBB were absolutely better versus WMU but not by enough to keep their jobs, I'd say. After all, they are what they are - insufficient players at the end of their road. My guess is that Hudson and Mayfield begin with similar or even worse results but (1) CAN improve because they are at the beginning of their road and (2) do so reasonably quickly.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #202 on: September 11, 2018, 07:14:11 PM »
So, U of M fans; anything seen in Game #2, that you think would have changed the result of the ND game?
Runyan and JBB looked weak against a crappy MAC team. 
All I learned is what I already knew. These tackles can’t play. Unless they make changes at both tackle spots that offense isn’t getting any better against the better teams on the schedule.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #203 on: September 12, 2018, 01:22:38 AM »
To that end, Harbaugh's presser today was interesting. He was asked about Runyan and JBB but he answered with a soliloquy about how impressed he was with how Hudson and Mayfield played in garbage time. At the very least, he's thinking about making that switch.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #204 on: September 12, 2018, 09:48:54 AM »
Interesting is a good term to describe most of Harbaugh's pressers
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #205 on: September 12, 2018, 11:17:11 AM »
Interesting is a good term to describe most of Harbaugh's pressers
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #206 on: September 12, 2018, 11:44:25 AM »
Shea says relax. R-E-L-A-Ecksssss..... Relax
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #207 on: September 12, 2018, 12:45:47 PM »
Shea says relax. R-E-L-A-Ecksssss..... Relax
I'll relax when Harbaugh makes a change at tackle.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #208 on: September 12, 2018, 08:11:44 PM »
probably the most plugged in Michigan "insider" - Sam Webb- says in his opinion- you'll see at least one of the young tackles Hudson & Mayfield- possibly even both- be starters sometime this year. If he is saying that- means someone on that staff probably told him they are going to give the Seniors a couple more shots to prove themselves before moving on. Doesn't make sense to me. Just wasting time & reps that could help the young tackles improve.

Runyan and JBB suck. They just can't play at this level.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #209 on: September 12, 2018, 08:56:08 PM »
OL coach Ed Warriner said in his presser today that true freshman LT Jalen Mayfield has been getting about 25% of the first team reps in practice. RS Freshman RT James Hudson has been getting a little bit more first team reps. Warriner said he expects to play both more this week vs SMU than he did last week. Warriner also made it clear all OL spots are still open for the taking.


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