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Topic: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #168 on: September 04, 2018, 08:28:46 PM »
just going deep diving on the pass stats for Harbaugh when he was with the 49ers...

2011-  49ers had 3,193 passing yards and 18 touchdowns as a team. 3 QB's threw for more than 5,000 yards alone that year. 10 QB's alone threw for 4,000+ yards and 16 QB's alone threw for more than 18 touchdown passes.

2012, 2013, and 2014- basically the same stuff. The team was never in the top 10 in the NFL in passing yards or passing touchdowns in 4 years. Pretty obvious the passing game isn't his strong suite.

The run game? San Fransisco was top 10 in rushing yards and rushing touchdowns all 4 of the Harbaugh years. And they were top 5 in rushing yards in 3 of Harbs 4 years there.

I think that's why people say his offenses are stone age or simple. He's never had QB's that sling it all over the field- and in today's game- that's all the elite offenses do is throw that thing all over the field.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #169 on: September 04, 2018, 09:12:20 PM »
so, if yer not going to sling it all over the yard.............

this is very bad:   

33 carries  58 yards
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #170 on: September 04, 2018, 09:20:46 PM »
so, if yer not going to sling it all over the yard.............

this is very bad:  

33 carries  58 yards
That stat is a bit misleading because of sack yardage- which should count against pass total and not rush total in my not so humble opinion- and the botched FG attempt. Remove the sack yardage and the yards lost on a botched FG attempt and they had 107 RUSHING yards on 29 RUSH attempts for 3.7 YPC. Not exactly great. But not exactly horrible on the road against a front 7 as strong as ND's.

The bigger problem in my eyes continues to be the god awful pass blocking and a terrible passing game. IF they could pass block and if they had an actual passing game- 107 on 29 attempts should be good enough to get the job done.

The problem is the guy designs his offense to the point where it's all about the run game. It's like the passing game is secondary. In TODAYS GAME. It should be the other way around. Especially when you've got a QB as talented as Patterson and the WR talent you do at your disposal.

The pass blocking is atrocious. The route concepts and personnel usage don't make sense. It's just bad offense. Period.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #171 on: September 04, 2018, 09:30:42 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXQ0WguuQfs

Shea Patterson - every snap.

his release is out of this world. lighting fast. his ball placement/accuracy are top notch. has more than enough arm strength and he throws on the run better than any QB that I've ever seen at Michigan.

OL was terrible pass blocking. RB's were just as bad- yet AGAIN. That was some of the worst pass blocking I've ever seen. If he wasn't as quick/athletic as he is- he'd have probably been sacked twice as much and broken in half.

Edit: Oh and that was pretty weak sauce by Zach Gentry at the 3 min mark. IF you want to be a big-time TE- you have to make that catch in the end-zone in that spot in that game for the TD.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #172 on: September 04, 2018, 10:36:28 PM »
Michigan needs to stop recruiting guards to play tackle! Everyone and grandma knew Bredeson was a guard but that was M's signature tackle recruit that season because they told him so. And.. he's a guard. Shocking.



That shit is gonna hurt in the long term.



Michigan also needs to stop trying to do recruiting as if it's Bama or OSU or OU.  Michigan is not that anymore. Today's recruits were 3 or 4 years old the last time Michigan won the Big Ten title.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #174 on: September 04, 2018, 11:44:04 PM »
He is creative- at times- with his running game. His passing game? It's atrocious.
Article from Inside the 49ers blog in 2015 on Jim's offense right after he left the 49ers. https://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/wont-miss-jim-harbaugh/
Reading that article now- damn is it prophetic.

Jim is a great turnaround artist. He picked Michigan football up out of the gutter- starting to doubt whether or not he's the kind of guy who can get over the hump and build a long lasting program.

He's a hell of a coach. But to me he just seems to have lost it. He's not the same guy he used to be. I think he might be on medication. He just seems to have lost that edge. It's like he's tamed now. He used to be batshit crazy on those sidelines and I think his team fed off that.

I don't think he'll ever get fired from Michigan, but he might be back off to the NFL in a couple years.
A word to the wise, Grant Cohn is a slack jawed, hot take throwing, know it all, daddy got him a job moron. That article is his usual brand of whiny uninformed trash. There are many things wrong with Harbaugh, but Cohn couldn’t diagnose them to save his life. 
(He proposed a basketball trade so asinine, I’m amazed and editor didn’t spike it on the spot)

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #175 on: September 04, 2018, 11:55:33 PM »
Not sure I agree with this statement. Brandon Wimbush threw for a whopping 170 yards. It's not like Notre Dame gashed the Michigan defensive backfield for 400 yards passing.
To start the game LaVert Hill got beat twice and was benched for a few plays. They threw him back out there and he settled down and was himself and locking down.
Wimbush got 43 of those 170 yards on one play. A play that in all honesty was a poorly underthrown ball that should've been an interception in the end zone. Michigan safety Brad Hawkins was in position for the interception. Timed his jump poorly and let a 5 foot 9 inch white kid snatch it from him. Great play by that kid, but a really bad one by the rs freshman safety Brad Hawkins.
Not just through the air. He did more damage with his feet--that's why I said the front 7. Those are the guys that he put off their game.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #176 on: September 05, 2018, 12:07:12 AM »
2 and 5 year averages and ranking will back that up

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2018/2/8/16990550/college-football-recruiting-rankings-2018-class
15 is a pretty impressive 2 year average. Particularly since they were 23rd last year. 
Must have had a pretty mean class the year before. 
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #177 on: September 05, 2018, 01:07:03 AM »
Michigan needs to stop recruiting guards to play tackle! Everyone and grandma knew Bredeson was a guard but that was M's signature tackle recruit that season because they told him so. And.. he's a guard. Shocking.



That shit is gonna hurt in the long term.



Michigan also needs to stop trying to do recruiting as if it's Bama or OSU or OU.  Michigan is not that anymore. Today's recruits were 3 or 4 years old the last time Michigan won the Big Ten title.
Bredeson was recruited by Michigan to play guard. The OT recruit in that 2016 class was Devery Hamilton. Hamilton flipped to Stanford on NSD. Believe he is the starting RT right now at Stanford.
They took 3 interior guys in 2016 and zero tackles. That's the real problem rearing it's ugly head right now. It wouldn't have been such a glaring issue had the starting LT Grant Newsome not had the devastating career ending injury. But injuries are part of the game. You need depth. They haven't had it at the position. They have actual tackles on the roster right now. They are all rs frosh or true frosh. I say to hell with it- start them. Can't be worse than seniors Jon Runyan Jr or Juwan Bushell Beatty. Runyan is 6'3.5" and honestly might not be at Michigan if not for who his dad is. How many tackles that size are actually effective? It's extremely rare and the guys that are have really long arms and are athletic freaks. Juwann Bushell Beatty really only got the offer because of who his high school head coach and high school teammates were. Chris Partridge, Jabrill Peppers, and Rashan Gary. Neither of them belong at this level.
Not sure I buy your last part. First of all- no one recruits like Alabama. They had the #1 class like 7 years in a row. Something ridiculous like that. If anybody is coming close to Alabama right now it's Georgia. They are red hot on the recruiting trail these past two classes.
Michigan had the #8th ranked class in the 247Composite in Harbaugh's first real class in 2016. Add Shea Patterson (5*, #1 QB, and #4 player overall) into that class and it shoots up to #5. They had the #5 ranked class in the 247Composite in 2017. That's back to back top 5 classes if you include Patterson. The guy can definitely recruit.
The recruiting has been sliding downhill in 2018 and 2019 though because: on field results. That matters. A lot. Losing to a far inferior Iowa team by 1 point and then the heart-breaker in Columbus in double OT to end 2016 and then the 8-5 debacle in 2017 has definitely affected recruiting.
2018 Jim finished with the #22 ranked class. Right now his class is ranked #13 and if he doesn't turn it around fast this season he's going to have another subpar class. Michigan is a school that still recruits itself. They landed a 5* DE Chris Hinton out of Georgia in the 2019 class. They are right in it in the top two with Tennessee for 5*, #2 ATH Quavaris Crouch out of North Carolina. They are right there in it in the top two with Alabama for 5*, #1 safety Dax Hill out of Oklahoma. They are right there in the top two with Ohio State for 5*, #3 DE Zach Harrison. They are right there in the top 3 with USC and Colorado for 5*, #5 WR Kyle Ford out of California. Most of these guys will go to the end on NSD. Not gonna land any of them going 8-5 again and losing to all your rivals.
IF Jim gets the results on the field- meaning beating his rivals and having 11+ win seasons- he'd have zero problem landing recruits. Zero.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #178 on: September 05, 2018, 07:02:47 AM »
Bredeson was told by the Michigan coaching staff that he was going to play tackle, and they even tried him at it.




ANN ARBOR, MI -- While the battle for the starting quarterback has come to an end, there are some battles raging on, as Michigan prepares for opening day against Hawaii on Saturday.

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One of the most hotly contested battles in fall camp has been at left tackle, where true freshman Ben Bredeson has been trying to win the job over sophomore Grant Newsome and redshirt sophomore Juwan Bushell-Beatty. Speaking with the media on Tuesday, redshirt senior right guard Kyle Kalis confirmed that this is the only battle remaining on the offensive line.


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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #179 on: September 05, 2018, 07:55:02 AM »
Doesn't TTUN have a game this? Are we really still sulking over the Loss, and not yet focused on moving forward?

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #180 on: September 05, 2018, 08:32:30 AM »
Doesn't TTUN have a game this? Are we really still sulking over the Loss, and not yet focused on moving forward?
not sulking. more like pissed. don't care that they'll pound Western Michigan at home at noon on BTN doing nothing but running vanilla offense.
really pissed that Jim said in his presser the other day that they won't make changes to the OL against Western Michigan. It's beyond stupid. I understand not wanting to start a RS Frosh at RT and a true frosh at LT against Notre Dame on the road at night- game one. OK. Go with the more experienced guys, break the young guys in slowly against lesser competition. Problem is those two seniors were terrible. Beyond terrible. Perfect time to make a change and work in the two young tackles against WMU and SMU these next two weeks. What's Jim say? No changes and that in his mind the OL unit improved from last year. Beyond delusional. I really don't get it. Reminds me so much of his mishandling of the QB situation last year. He kept O'Korn in there 3 weeks too long and just kept making excuses and propping up O'Korn who was just god awful. Should've yanked him for Peters WAY before he eventually did.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #181 on: September 05, 2018, 09:03:51 AM »
Doesn't TTUN have a game this? Are we really still sulking over the Loss, and not yet focused on moving forward?
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We talked about scandal for a month. Isn’t it nice to talk actual football? A lot of the posts are about breakdowns or decisions on Michigan’s end and how that should change moving forward. 
Hype followed by letdown is tough to let go. I’m still not over the 2016 World Series and that was 2 years ago. Being frustrated a few days after a loss and talking about it on a forum that is meant for exactly that seems reasonable, no?

 

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