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Topic: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #84 on: September 02, 2018, 06:51:57 AM »
I watched 3 quarters.  ND either has a really good defense or ...

I think the former, but UM was not doing much to counter the blitzing.

Patterson throws a nice ball when unrushed, but he may not be the real answer back there.  Maybe the scheme is wrong.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #85 on: September 02, 2018, 07:43:14 AM »
Shea Patterson is a major improvement over last year.  Notre Dame’s defense is very good.  Too good for Michigan’s OL.  Michigan’s OTs were beat often and as a result Patterson was running for his life frequently.  Mobile QB have always given Michigan fits and nothing has changed.  Michigan’s defense did not play good enough to win in the first half.  But the bottom line is Michigan’s OL needs to get much better to contend.  Yes, its possible.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #86 on: September 02, 2018, 09:03:38 AM »
Quote from: Temp430 on September 02, 2018, 07:43:14 AM
Shea Patterson is a major improvement over last year.  Notre Dame’s defense is very good.  Too good for Michigan’s OL.  Michigan’s OTs were beat often and as a result Patterson was running for his life frequently.  Mobile QB have always given Michigan fits and nothing has changed.  Michigan’s defense did not play good enough to win in the first half.  But the bottom line is Michigan’s OL needs to get much better to contend.  Yes, its possible.

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This. 
Opening game against a top tier opponent, at night?  Tough ask.
I feel like UM ‘s D was excellent - just started slow and gave up a fluky TD early on that arm punt.
The offense was very crisp most of the night. Michigan, in my view has TWO quality QBs now. They are going to score a lot of points on most teams they play.
The o-line had a few breakdowns, but what do you expect for game 1?  There are good players there and you now have an excellent coach in Warriner.
As Harbaugh gets more comfortable with Shea running from more spread formations, and I believe he will, the offense will get more dangerous.
I think not winning has some benefits in these early games.  I still think UM is going to be the team to beat in the east.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #87 on: September 02, 2018, 09:15:15 AM »
I’m not convinced Patterson is the guy. It’s evident the offensive staff is borderline clueless, which was evident by the play calling and time management, but I thought there was a noticeable difference when McCaffery came in the game.

I don’t trust anything this offensive staff does at this point. Last year they put Speight and O’korn out there and Peters was light years better, so how can we trust their talent evaluation at all? They looked like they never ran a two-minute drill as well.

Defense came out really flat. The missed INT was a huge momentum swing on the opening drive. The backfield lack toughness. They had multiple balls that were in the air, ready for a pick that the ND players just wanted it more.

It feels like Harbaughs teams have been soft. Looked like more of the same last night.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #88 on: September 02, 2018, 09:33:28 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on August 27, 2018, 12:12:08 PM
what? I was unaware that Brian Kelly was some kind of offensive genius. If he was ever thought of such, think he's lost that.
Brandon Wimbush is a 49% passer. Not sure that's going to cut it against a Don Brown Michigan defense that should be a big pain in the ass for offenses all year long.
He seemed to have cracked it okay. Particularly early on, when the drives are scripted. 
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #89 on: September 02, 2018, 09:39:57 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on September 02, 2018, 09:03:38 AM
This.
Opening game against a top tier opponent, at night?  Tough ask.
I feel like UM ‘s D was excellent - just started slow and gave up a fluky TD early on that arm punt.
The offense was very crisp most of the night. Michigan, in my view has TWO quality QBs now. They are going to score a lot of points on most teams they play.
The o-line had a few breakdowns, but what do you expect for game 1?  There are good players there and you now have an excellent coach in Warriner.
As Harbaugh gets more comfortable with Shea running from more spread formations, and I believe he will, the offense will get more dangerous.
I think not winning has some benefits in these early games.  I still think UM is going to be the team to beat in the east.
Did we watch the same game? Coaching was incompetent and borderline inept. Don’t get me wrong, Notre Dame has talent, but the play calling was bizarre at times.
Where was Chris Evans until the last 4 minutes? I felt like I time warped back to the 90’s Browns and was watching Metcalf up the middle over and over.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #90 on: September 02, 2018, 09:53:14 AM »
Quote from: SuperMario on September 02, 2018, 09:39:57 AM
Did we watch the same game? Coaching was incompetent and borderline inept. Don’t get me wrong, Notre Dame has talent, but the play calling was bizarre at times.
Where was Chris Evans until the last 4 minutes? I felt like I time warped back to the 90’s Browns and was watching Metcalf up the middle over and over.

I know.   And yet they still had a chance at the end.
I know from watching Warriner that his offensive line took three- sometimes four weeks to gel.
I also think he will influence Harbaugh, as will Patterson, to run more spread wit 4-5 receiver sets.  That’s where Patterson can excel.
Who on the schedule scares you until mid October?  
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #91 on: September 02, 2018, 12:13:28 PM »
I'd be a tad concerned about Western, Northwestern and maybe Maryland before the mid October triple Hell stretch. Won't lose all three of course, but could easily go 2-1 in those games. 

Not to mention we still don't know what we have in Nebraska under Scott Frost. 
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #92 on: September 02, 2018, 12:53:13 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on September 02, 2018, 09:53:14 AM
Who on the schedule scares you until mid October?  
I suppose Northwestern is the only concern before the schedule toughens mid season. So there's time. And this wasn't a conference game. But.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #93 on: September 02, 2018, 12:59:42 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on September 02, 2018, 09:53:14 AM

Who on the schedule scares you until mid October?  
But that’s exactly the point. Michigan will go out and beat the mediocre or poor teams on their schedule in the coming weeks and think everything is fine with their vanilla, 1985 offense. The second they face a talented squad with quality coaching, they’ll lose.
Talent is the only thing that kept them from being embarrassed last night. That coaching effort at a mid level school and this staff goes 3-7 at most places.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #94 on: September 02, 2018, 02:48:48 PM »
Heard a crazy, but true stat this morning:

Harbaugh is 8-8 his last 16 games at UM.
Butch Jones went 8-8 his last 16 games at Tennessee before being fired.



Ergo, Harbaugh is a 'champion of life'.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #95 on: September 02, 2018, 03:07:35 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on September 02, 2018, 02:48:48 PM
Heard a crazy, but true stat this morning:

Harbaugh is 8-8 his last 16 games at UM.
Butch Jones went 8-8 his last 16 games at Tennessee before being fired.



Ergo, Harbaugh is a 'champion of life'.
I heard that and that he’s lost his last 4 in a row. Never thought we’d be talking about moving on from Harbaugh, but that’s a very realistic consideration.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #96 on: September 02, 2018, 03:39:30 PM »
I don't get why so many people seem like we have to determine if Harbaugh is Saban/Meyer or a total fraud?  It's like the chance, that he's just a fine coach, nothing more, nothing less, which seems most likely to me, isnt even open for consideration.  Like maybe he's Brian Kelly or Mike Gundy.  Good enough to deserve his job, but not some sort of program savior.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #97 on: September 02, 2018, 04:27:49 PM »
I think it's from his time at Stanford - from total irrelevance to being very good.  Add to that a Super Bowl appearance, it makes sense.


But that doesn't help him win the next game.  With the European trips and his being as much of the focus as the team, maybe he's worried too much about the motivating and not enough about the Xs and Os?  Idk.
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