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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2884 on: May 21, 2020, 11:26:01 AM »
you were the trouble maker in class
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2885 on: May 21, 2020, 11:28:40 AM »

All states do not participate in Common Core.


Furthermore, where is the federal government's legitimate authority to even set a national standard, Common Core or otherwise?

Power is different from legitimate authority.  The federal government can force states to knuckle under by threatening to withhold funding for a variety of operations.
Let me tell you a story.

Once upon a time, Congress recognized that the quality of education available to kids was wildly skewed because there were no set standards in place.  They passed a law (with strong bipartisan support) mandating that education would be held to a national standard.  They even set aside federal funds to do a national test.  This was now law.

Well, some time later folks realized that:

A.  Common core would test science, including "controversial" subjects like evolution and climate change.  People complained.
B.  Some state/local politicians realized this was going to make their schools look bad.  It wasn't that we weren't teaching the kids, it was that "common core" was testing on things we didn't care about in Alabama.  It was perceived as "unfair."  People complained.
C.  The great propaganda machine was set into motion to fight this.  Who here heard the jokes about "common core math"?  Well, turns out, there is no such thing.  Common core does not mandate how you teach math, it only tests on how well you've learned math.  People complained.
D.  The folks that have always opposed "teaching to the test" also came on board.  People complained.

The uproar was real, but the law was already passed.  So what does a politician do to satisfy his constituents?

Well, a few politicians hit upon a grand scheme.  What if we refused to take the national test, but, instead, implemented our own state standardized testing.  We've already been doing that for years, and we can go back and claim we aren't doing common core!

And so, some states decided not to use the "Common Core" national test.  No more of that crazy "common core" stuff.

Here's the thing.  The law was already passed.  Even though states were designing their own tests, these tests HAVE to meet the common core standards.

OK's version is the OCCT, I believe.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2886 on: May 21, 2020, 11:32:12 AM »
Even if we combined them again, what would really change?  What would be the benefit?  Why should education and health be in the same bucket?


Why should education be in the weather, climate and environment bucket?
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2887 on: May 21, 2020, 12:04:26 PM »
Why should education be in the weather, climate and environment bucket?
Why should Rutgers be in the B1G?

Oh.  Right.

I don't know how we got here, to be honest.

Probably my fault. I'm passionate about education and science.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2888 on: May 21, 2020, 12:07:32 PM »
Even if we combined them again, what would really change?  What would be the benefit?  Why should education and health be in the same bucket?
One fewer federal department with its own overhead, its own staff, its own budget, etc.  And one fewer member of a cabinet that has grown to an unmanageable size.

And the same logic applies to the Department of Veterans Affairs.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2889 on: May 21, 2020, 12:18:05 PM »
One fewer federal department with its own overhead, its own staff, its own budget, etc.  And one fewer member of a cabinet that has grown to an unmanageable size.
Maybe save a few pennies on overhead, I guess? 

Anyhow, I'm done talking about education, but I will leave you with one final thought.

An Oklahoma grad, a Penn State grad, and a Michigan grad were walking down the road one day when they came across a comatose woman lying in the street, completely naked.  They called for help, and did their best to cover the woman up.  The OU and PSU guys took off their hats and covered her breasts, and the UM guy took off his hat and covered her crotch.  When the EMTs arrived, they began to tend to her.  AN EMT handed the OU and the PSU guys their hat back, but when he took off the UM hat he put it back, lifted it carefully and peered underneath.  He did this twice.  Angry, the OU guy asked the EMT what he thought he was doing.  The EMT replied, "It's weird.  I'm used to seeing an A$$hole under one of these things."


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2890 on: May 21, 2020, 12:43:52 PM »
How would you multiply 11 x 14 in your head?

If you have a higher concept of math, you'd probably multiply 14 x 10, and then add 14.  This is pretty much how "new" math works.

How about adding 7+29+3?  If you have a higher concept of math, you'd probably do something like this: 7+3=10+29=39.

Essentially, new math is working the "problem solving" area of the brain, rather than just using rote memorization.

It is different, and confusing to us older folks that learned to carry the one by making marks on stone tablets.  Different doesn't mean worse.

BTW, MOST schools actually combine both methods, because ... wait for it ... common core testing shows schools that incorporate both methods outperform those that don't.  That's a fact.

Note that common core does not mandate HOW something is to be taught.  You can teach traditional math, new math, a combination of both, they don't care. Common core just measures how WELL you've learned it.
Yeah, I'm trying to help my 7 year old with her 1st grade addition homework, using the ideas of "quick tens" and "number bonds". Which means I had to teach myself the new math. 

It's aggravating to me compared to what I see as the elegant simplicity of "carry the 1"...

...but I can see the reasoning behind doing it this way. 

Most kids when they learn the rote techniques like "carry the 1" have a hard time integrating that into an actual understanding of the concepts of why they're doing what they're doing. That wasn't true for me, as I was always "good at math" and obviously took that all the way to becoming an engineer. But a lot of the people I knew who hated math might have benefited from it.

In the long run, I hope that the new math leads to greater numeracy across the population. The ability to truly grasp numbers and how their manipulation can help you to understand and model the world. 

But then, I also realize that the average American is pretty dumb, and half of them are dumber than that, as said by the great one (Carlin). 

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2891 on: May 21, 2020, 01:52:21 PM »
How ever I want to, not how I'm told to.
Badge, this is precisely the point of the current teaching. One technique is not the best technique for everyone, so they teach multiple techniques, and as the student progresses, they are able to rely on the ones that work best for them.

 Much of what is taught, as BBTS noted, is about problem solving, rather than rote memorization. My kids haven't generally appreciated having to do the problem solving part for their math homework/tests, but literally yesterday my son subconsciously did a pretty decent piece of multiplication in his head using that problem solving technique. It was actually pretty cool to witness. 

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« Reply #2892 on: May 21, 2020, 02:05:22 PM »
Badge, this is precisely the point of the current teaching. One technique is not the best technique for everyone, so they teach multiple techniques, and as the student progresses, they are able to rely on the ones that work best for them.

 Much of what is taught, as BBTS noted, is about problem solving, rather than rote memorization. My kids haven't generally appreciated having to do the problem solving part for their math homework/tests, but literally yesterday my son subconsciously did a pretty decent piece of multiplication in his head using that problem solving technique. It was actually pretty cool to witness.
I participated in math competitions in high school.  For my senior year, I even served as the president of the math club (and president of the computer science club, yes I was just that cool).

Anyway, there were two different competitions, one was called "Calculator" and the other was "Number Sense."  Both types of tests were timed and then graded for accuracy.

Calculator was about what you'd expect, very complex calculations often based in Physics-type problems, involving real numbers carried out many decimal places.  You were allowed a standard calculator, none with graphing or equation-solving capability.  Person who finished the most problems correctly got the high score and the prize.

Number Sense, on the other hand, allowed no calculators.  It was a 10-minute 80-question test, and all calculations had to be performed in your head, no scratch-work, no markovers, no erasers.  So you had to develop tricks and shortcuts.  A lot of the techniques that are taught as "alternatives"-- like the ones being discussed above-- were the tricks to excelling at Number Sense competition. For me it was all pretty natural, but for other kids it wasn't.  

Anyway, I see the benefit to teaching both ways, because some kids "get" the tricks and some just don't.  

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2893 on: May 21, 2020, 02:14:46 PM »
Badge, this is precisely the point of the current teaching. One technique is not the best technique for everyone, so they teach multiple techniques, and as the student progresses, they are able to rely on the ones that work best for them.

 Much of what is taught, as BBTS noted, is about problem solving, rather than rote memorization. My kids haven't generally appreciated having to do the problem solving part for their math homework/tests, but literally yesterday my son subconsciously did a pretty decent piece of multiplication in his head using that problem solving technique. It was actually pretty cool to witness.
I get all of that. I just don't like being told what to do and how to do it. And that goes for most things - not just teaching style.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2894 on: May 21, 2020, 02:18:59 PM »
I recall something called "The National Math Test" in HS.  I think if any of us placed 1, 2, or 3 we'd get an A that quarter in calculus.  It probably was the hardest test I'd ever taken, I might have gotten 4 answers out of 20 questions.  It had nothing to do with calculus, but we spent a couple weeks in class working problems.

I took honors Calculus my first year at UGA figuring I already knew it all.  I think we covered everything I new in two days.  There were some really smart people in that class, and I wasn't one of them.  The professor would write with chalk with one hand and erase with the other.  Some of the students didn't even take notes.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2895 on: May 21, 2020, 02:21:22 PM »
Maybe save a few pennies on overhead, I guess? 

Anyhow, I'm done talking about education, but I will leave you with one final thought.

An Oklahoma grad, a Penn State grad, and a Michigan grad were walking down the road one day when they came across a comatose woman lying in the street, completely naked.  They called for help, and did their best to cover the woman up.  The OU and PSU guys took off their hats and covered her breasts, and the UM guy took off his hat and covered her crotch.  When the EMTs arrived, they began to tend to her.  AN EMT handed the OU and the PSU guys their hat back, but when he took off the UM hat he put it back, lifted it carefully and peered underneath.  He did this twice.  Angry, the OU guy asked the EMT what he thought he was doing.  The EMT replied, "It's weird.  I'm used to seeing an A$$hole under one of these things."
:86:

That's a good final thought!
Ah, did the EMT guy ever find the a$$hole?
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« Reply #2896 on: May 21, 2020, 02:37:28 PM »
I participated in math competitions in high school.  For my senior year, I even served as the president of the math club (and president of the computer science club, yes I was just that cool).

Anyway, there were two different competitions, one was called "Calculator" and the other was "Number Sense."  Both types of tests were timed and then graded for accuracy.

Calculator was about what you'd expect, very complex calculations often based in Physics-type problems, involving real numbers carried out many decimal places.  You were allowed a standard calculator, none with graphing or equation-solving capability.  Person who finished the most problems correctly got the high score and the prize.

Number Sense, on the other hand, allowed no calculators.  It was a 10-minute 80-question test, and all calculations had to be performed in your head, no scratch-work, no markovers, no erasers.  So you had to develop tricks and shortcuts.  A lot of the techniques that are taught as "alternatives"-- like the ones being discussed above-- were the tricks to excelling at Number Sense competition. For me it was all pretty natural, but for other kids it wasn't. 

Anyway, I see the benefit to teaching both ways, because some kids "get" the tricks and some just don't.
I was not a math guy.  Oh, I was in the 95th percentile on the SAT math section, but I didn't like math, didn't see the practical applications of, say, trig, and every other excuse you might imagine for not "liking" math.  Also, I was busy reading stuff that I liked to read instead of doing my homework, and you can't get away with that in math.
However, I was very surprised when I taught at West Point to find that the cadets--who are pretty damn smart--did not necessarily have good numbers sense.  I discovered this teaching a unit on aerial photography (within a physical geography course called "Dirt").  There was a formula that involved focal length of the camera lens, altitude above the subject, actual size of the subject, and scale.  And maybe something else I'm leaving out.  But some of the answers I got back on tests were literally out of this world.  They would come up with, say, the altitude from which a photo was taken being beyond the orbit of the Moon.
I attributed this to too early/too much use of calculators.  Too much dependence on the calculator giving the correct answer and not enough willingness to pause and think about whether the answer is even reasonable.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2897 on: May 21, 2020, 03:12:47 PM »
:86:

That's a good final thought!
Ah, did the EMT guy ever find the a$$hole?
Yeah, when he returned the hat :57:

 

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