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Cincydawg · « **Reply #2856 on:** May 20, 2020, 09:28:04 AM »

My notion would be for the Feds to "make up" some of the difference in funding for school districts that simply lack an adequate tax base. They would do nothing else. It could be run by ten people.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #2857 on:** May 20, 2020, 09:41:22 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on May 20, 2020, 09:28:04 AM

My notion would be for the Feds to "make up" some of the difference in funding for school districts that simply lack an adequate tax base. They would do nothing else. It could be run by ten people.

You mean, they could get rid of 3,990 people then?

847badgerfan · « **Reply #2858 on:** May 20, 2020, 10:03:34 AM »

You wouldn't catch me on the backside of an earthen dam like this one. No way.

Rapidly rising water overtook dams and forced the evacuation of about 10,000 people in central Michigan, where flooding struck communities along rain-swollen waterways and the governor said one downtown could be “under approximately 9 feet of water" by Wednesday.

For the second time in less than 24 hours, families living along the Tittabawassee River and connected lakes in Midland County were ordered Tuesday evening to leave home. By Wednesday morning, water that was several feet high covered some streets near the river in downtown Midland, including riverside parkland, and reaching a hotel and parking lots.

The National Weather Service urged anyone near the river to seek higher ground following “castastrophic dam failures” at the Edenville Dam, about 140 miles north of Detroit, and the Sanford Dam, about seven miles downriver.

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer said downtown Midland, a city of 42,000 about 8 miles downstream from the Sanford Dam, faced an especially serious flooding threat. Dow Chemical Co.'s main plant sits on the city’s riverbank.

“In the next 12 to 15 hours, downtown Midland could be under approximately 9 feet of water," the governor said during a late Tuesday briefing. "We are anticipating a historic high water level.”

Whitmer declared a state of emergency for Midland County and urged residents threatened by the flooding to find a place to stay with friends or relatives or to seek out one of several shelters that opened across the county. She encouraged people to do their best to take precautions to prevent the spread of coronavirus, such as wearing a face covering and observing social distancing “to the best of your ability.”

“This is unlike anything we’ve seen in Midland County,” she said. ”If you have a family member or loved one who lives in another part of the state, go there now."

Water rushes through the Edenville on May 19, 2020, in Edenville, Mich.(Katy Kildee/Midland Daily News)

A view of a dam on Wixom Lake in Edenville, Mich., on May 19, 2020. People living along two mid-Michigan lakes and parts of a river have been evacuated following several days of heavy rain.(Kaytie Boomer/The Bay City Times)

Emergency responders went door-to-door early Tuesday morning warning residents living near the Edenville Dam of the rising water. Some residents were able to return home, only to be told to leave again following the dam’s breach several hours later. The evacuations include the towns of Edenville, Sanford and parts of Midland, according to Selina Tisdale, spokeswoman for Midland County.

“We were back at home and starting to feel comfortable that things were calming down,” said Catherine Sias, who lives about 1 mile from the Edenville Dam and first left home early Tuesday morning. “All of a sudden we heard the fire truck sirens going north toward the dam.”

Sias, 45, said emergency alerts then began coming on her cellphone and people started calling to make sure she was safe.

“While packing, there were tons of police and fire trucks going up and down the roads,” she added. “As far as I know, all of our neighbors got out.”

While driving along a jammed M-30, the state highway that’s the main road through Edenville and that crosses the river north of town, Sias saw the rushing Tittabawassee River. “It was very dramatic, very fast and full of debris,” she said.

Dow Chemical has activated its emergency operations center and will be adjusting operations as a result of current flood stage conditions, spokeswoman Rachelle Schikorra said in an email.

“Dow Michigan Operations is working with its tenants and Midland County officials and will continue to closely monitor the water levels on the Tittabawassee River,” Schikorra said.

In 2018, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission revoked the license of the company that operated the Edenville Dam due to non-compliance issues that included spillway capacity and the inability to pass the most severe flood reasonably possible in the area.

The Edenville Dam, which was built in 1924, was rated in unsatisfactory condition in 2018 by the state.

The Sanford Dam, which was built in 1925, received a fair condition rating.

Both dams are in the process of being sold.

There were 19 high hazard dams in unsatisfactory or poor conditions in Michigan in 2018, ranking 20th among the 45 states and Puerto Rico for which The Associated Press obtained condition assessments.
Flood warnings in Michigan were issued following widespread rainfall of 4 to 7 inches since Sunday, according to the National Weather Service. Heavy runoff pushed rivers higher.

The Tittabawassee River was at 30.5 feet and rising Tuesday night — flood stage is 24 feet. It was expected to crest Wednesday at a record of about 38 feet.

FearlessF · « **Reply #2859 on:** May 20, 2020, 10:05:46 AM »

I live on a hill for a reason

Big Beef Tacosupreme · « **Reply #2860 on:** May 20, 2020, 10:53:18 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on May 20, 2020, 09:28:04 AM

My notion would be for the Feds to "make up" some of the difference in funding for school districts that simply lack an adequate tax base. They would do nothing else. It could be run by ten people.

They have that, sorta. It's called Title 1.

It's like trying to fix a broken bone with a band aid, but it's there... haha

Cincydawg · « **Reply #2861 on:** May 20, 2020, 11:19:10 AM »

My cincy friends are sending me photos of flooding in our area.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #2862 on:** May 20, 2020, 11:30:31 AM »

What, was the Midwest feeling left out that since the murder hornets haven't traveled there yet, they wouldn't have any Maypocalypse to participate in for 2020?

Cincydawg · « **Reply #2863 on:** May 20, 2020, 11:37:48 AM »

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/20/859333402/catastrophic-dam-failures-in-michigan-force-thousands-to-evacuate

847badgerfan · « **Reply #2864 on:** May 20, 2020, 11:39:18 AM »

All the more reason for an aggressive dam removal program.

FearlessF · « **Reply #2865 on:** May 20, 2020, 11:39:30 AM »

had that type of flooding in Nebraska/Iowa last spring

it's not good

Cincydawg · « **Reply #2866 on:** May 20, 2020, 11:46:19 AM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 20, 2020, 11:39:18 AM

All the more reason for an aggressive dam removal program.

Looks like progress is being made.

I presume once an earthen dam is topped for any period of time, it's toast, right?

847badgerfan · « **Reply #2867 on:** May 20, 2020, 03:52:47 PM »

This is why I advocate for removing damn dams (and levees).

https://www.chicagotribune.com/midwest/ct-michigan-dams-break-flooding-midland-20200520-inwsr4yerngorkkuwewuvvc2tu-story.html

9 feet of water.

CWSooner · « **Reply #2868 on:** May 20, 2020, 07:46:27 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 20, 2020, 09:19:12 AM

Do we need a Federal Department of Education? If so, why? Does it need to be at the cabinet level?

Is public education better now than it was before the Department of Education was created? I doubt it.
Education is not a constitutional responsibility of the federal government.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #2869 on:** May 20, 2020, 08:25:09 PM »

Quote from: CWSooner on May 20, 2020, 07:46:27 PM

Is public education better now than it was before the Department of Education was created? I doubt it.
Education is not a constitutional responsibility of the federal government.

Probably?

Not necessary because of the department of education, but it probably hasn't grown worse the past 40 years.

I'll cop to not knowing exactly what oversight it has. I suppose it could dissolve. I wonder what kind of federal money comes down and how it gets distributed.

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