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Big Beef Tacosupreme · « **Reply #2758 on:** May 18, 2020, 07:31:30 PM »

Quote from: CWSooner on May 18, 2020, 07:11:14 PM

Makes sense.

But there are things more important than IQ, which many millennials have yet to discover. Work ethic and willingness to accept responsibility are two of 'em.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's been said about younger generations for millenia. lol

Big Beef Tacosupreme · « **Reply #2759 on:** May 18, 2020, 07:41:39 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on May 18, 2020, 07:11:58 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

Wow, a 14 point IQ jump? That almost an entire standard deviation.

Cool, thanks!

CWSooner · « **Reply #2760 on:** May 18, 2020, 07:54:00 PM »

Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on May 18, 2020, 07:31:30 PM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's been said about younger generations for millenia. lol

And it was probably true in most of the cases. It's amazing how they get better as they get more mature.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #2761 on:** May 18, 2020, 07:57:21 PM »

Quote from: CWSooner on May 18, 2020, 07:11:14 PM

Makes sense.

But there are things more important than IQ, which many millennials have yet to discover. Work ethic and willingness to accept responsibility are two of 'em.

Understanding that you don't have to pick either IQ or work ethic is just as important.

It's the 3* and coaching them up vs 5* debate.
The "answer" is you get the 5* kids and coach them up.

IQ is mostly dumb luck, no pun intended. As is having a 5* athlete's body.

CWSooner · « **Reply #2762 on:** May 18, 2020, 09:53:05 PM »

Your IQ is no credit to you, any more than your hair color is.

It's what you do or don't do with it that reflects credit, or lack thereof, on you.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #2763 on:** May 18, 2020, 10:10:36 PM »

Quote from: CWSooner on May 18, 2020, 07:54:00 PM

And it was probably true in most of the cases. It's amazing how they get better as they get more mature.

So you're saying millennials are no less responsible or hard working than any other 22-38 year old cohort in history? They just happen to be the one that's 22-38 right now?

utee94 · « **Reply #2764 on:** May 18, 2020, 11:16:58 PM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on May 18, 2020, 10:10:36 PM

So you're saying millennials are no less responsible or hard working than any other 22-38 year old cohort in history? They just happen to be the one that's 22-38 right now?

That's pretty much my experience. The millennials that get hired into my company are hard-working, intelligent, motivated, and responsible.

I have three nephews that are millennials and one of them is the stereotypical millennial-- overly bearded hipster that works part time as a barrista or a brewery assistant or a waiter or whatever the current job of the month is, but thoroughly believes all those jobs are beneath him, all the while not bothering to wake up and get to work on time and thus continues moving from job to job. The other two were pretty irresponsible in their teens and early 20s like many folks of all generations tend to be, but are now married and steady income earners with families.

Big Beef Tacosupreme · « **Reply #2765 on:** May 18, 2020, 11:19:56 PM »

Quote from: CWSooner on May 18, 2020, 06:54:43 PM

I have worked with a guy who is now retiring from teaching, his second career. His first was as an in-house lawyer to a couple of oil companies, and he dealt with environmental compliance. His experience with the EPA--at least at one point--was that they would allow you to self-report and fix the problem without charging back-penalties. Maybe not at the time you had the experience with the paper mill.
But this raises a question: Did the EPA inspectors never inspect the calibration paperwork?

The paperwork looked legit on the surface. The problem? It couldn’t have been calibrated if hadn’t moved in 20 years. I assume the paperwork was good enough not to raise suspicion.

I don’t know this for a fact, but I’m pretty sure they swept it under the rug, as evidenced by how fast they got us out of there.

Nuclear power plants were bad, but in a different way.
Cigarette manufacturers were almost comically evil. There are so many chemicals added to cigarettes....
Bottled “spring” water was almost always just tap water back then. I guess a reservoir counts as a spring.... technically.
A lot of small businesses we dealt with were run by terrible people, too. If they could make a buck they would lie, cheat, and steal to get there.

I have so many stories from those days.

CWSooner · « **Reply #2766 on:** May 19, 2020, 01:00:46 AM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on May 18, 2020, 10:10:36 PM

So you're saying millennials are no less responsible or hard working than any other 22-38 year old cohort in history? They just happen to be the one that's 22-38 right now?

No, I'm not saying that. I'm just agreeing that other young generations have had their elders clucking in dismay, and that the elders have often been correct.

CWSooner · « **Reply #2767 on:** May 19, 2020, 01:05:53 AM »

Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on May 18, 2020, 11:19:56 PM

The paperwork looked legit on the surface. The problem? It couldn’t have been calibrated if hadn’t moved in 20 years. I assume the paperwork was good enough not to raise suspicion.

I don’t know this for a fact, but I’m pretty sure they swept it under the rug, as evidenced by how fast they got us out of there.

Nuclear power plants were bad, but in a different way.
Cigarette manufacturers were almost comically evil. There are so many chemicals added to cigarettes....
Bottled “spring” water was almost always just tap water back then. I guess a reservoir counts as a spring.... technically.
A lot of small businesses we dealt with were run by terrible people, too. If they could make a buck they would lie, cheat, and steal to get there.

I have so many stories from those days.

My point has been that the people who go into government jobs are not somehow better, more moral, more hardworking and energetic than all those scoundrels in private business you have encountered. Who knows? The EPA inspector might have been in on the scam. Might have been taking a little under the table to never even look at the meter.
Ever been to a post office and waited half an hour while the employees behind the counter were taking their sweet time with everything they did? Those kind of people can end up working for the EPA too. And it's almost impossible to fire them.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #2768 on:** May 19, 2020, 05:26:54 AM »

In my experience, we notice when someone at "Kroger" does a bad job, and it stands out over the hundred times we go and they do a good job. Either that or I'm really lucky in life. Most folks who have a real job try and do a decent enough effort.

I learned that when everyone else around you is slacking with no penalty, folks all start slacking, or spend all their effort sucking up (which often works).

847badgerfan · « **Reply #2769 on:** May 19, 2020, 07:03:52 AM »

Quote from: CWSooner on May 19, 2020, 01:05:53 AM

My point has been that the people who go into politics are not somehow better, more moral, more hardworking and energetic than all those scoundrels in private business you have encountered. Who knows? The EPA inspector might have been in on the scam. Might have been taking a little under the table to never even look at the meter.
Ever been to a post office and waited half an hour while the employees behind the counter were taking their sweet time with everything they did? Those kind of people can end up working for the EPA too. And it's almost impossible to fire them.

That was my experience, working for the government. I couldn't wait to get out.

And those kinds of people do work for the EPA. That agency has 15,000 people in it.

Every state has it's own EPA too. Some call it DNR. Illinois has both an EPA and a DNR, because it can?? Those two have conflicting regulations on many things, which hurts permitting. Add in the next layer of the Army Corps permit...

I did a job last year in Lake County, IL and between Federal, State and Local, the developer was required to pull 37 different permits related to the site work. THIRTY SEVEN.

The government is not here to help. It's here to exist.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #2770 on:** May 19, 2020, 08:22:30 AM »

I was telling the wife that we could not have lived here in 1970 because of the air quality. (This building also didn't exist.)

The regulations have cleaned up our air and water measurably, and importantly, though I'm sure inefficiently. I imagine a modern car with 100% gasoline and no cats would provide superior mileage and power versus current engines, and be cheaper as well. Imagine you had a choice between two cars, one with current emissions equipment and one without. Most would take the latter.

The gasohol story is a good example of a government program that sounded good initially and now we're stuck with it even knowing it is horrible all the way around. The EPA has been pushing to allow 15% ethanol into regular fuel, and the E85 thing never amounted to anything. We actually have a law mandating high use of cellulosic ethanol, a law on the books, which is entirely ignored because CE is simply not viable. Sounded like a good idea.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/02/11/cellulosic-ethanol-falling-far-short-of-the-hype/#3c6f7a34505f

I recall discussing this when the mandates were mandated with some biochemists at work who scoffed at the notion. I became a scoffer as well the more I read about it.

I was involved in this circa 1990-1994 because there was a plan to use CE in Brazil (from bagasse) to make ethylene and then polyethylene, which one could claim was "naturally sourced" or somesuch BS. That of course also failed. It never made a bit of sense.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #2771 on:** May 19, 2020, 08:22:51 AM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 19, 2020, 07:03:52 AM

I did a job last year in Lake County, IL and between Federal, State and Local, the developer was required to pull 37 different permits related to the site work. THIRTY SEVEN.

The government is not here to help. It's here to exist.

Man I can see for a Nuclear Power,Desalination or Waste Water Treatment Plants but that's redikerous

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