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forget Courtney Smith for a second.

Zach Smith is a flat out scumbag. Just pure filth. How in the hell Urban could not only hire him but keep him for almost a decade is crazy. The guy was a bad WR's coach. He could've been fired just for performance. Add to that all of his off-field BS- Urban gave him second chance after second chance. Urban let him get away with waaaaaaaay too much. Just makes zero sense. College football coaches spend one on one time with 18-21 year olds every day, not only coaching them up in football but also shaping them as men. To have total filth like Zach Smith around those young men is not only irresponsible it's just wrong. I could MAYBE see an argument if the guy was this amazing WR's coach but he wasn't. He was honestly a piss poor WR's coach.

Not that it should matter, but I thought he was an amazing recruiter, and they just kind of "hid" him as a WR coach.

(2) So you, like bwarbiary, whose comment I was responding to, believe that the compliance department that is designed to determine if University and NCAA policy, is better able to determine whether DV happened than the police and/or the DA. The police and the DA do not use the strictest standard of guilt to bring charges, that is for the final arbiter, the courts. The police and the DA only determine if there is enough evidence to bring charges.

I never said that Compliance is better equipped than the criminal justice system. I did imply they are *differently* equipped though and am happy to explain why having that is crucial.
Again, the criminal justice system fails to convict (or even charge) an unacceptably high fraction of true abusers. That is: Not Guilty and Innocent are not the same idea. This is a necessary evil of needing to overcome the "reasonable doubt" burden of proof. Our system uses that burden because criminal guilt and jail time are so costly that the justice system must be deeply invested in avoiding wrongful convictions. Even if using that standard means that many true victims will be failed in the process. Put another way: DAs rarely gamble by bringing cases they don't fully expect to win - even if they presume guilt.
For this reason, it's essential that the modern world have other mechanisms to (1) punish the accused (2) in manners less extreme than jail time (3) under lesser burdens of proof than "reasonable doubt" when (4) guilt is likely but (5) not so well documented as to make a prosecutor's case easy. And facilitating this is precisely the place for departments like Compliance.

Obviously, a contract clause added this past April should not govern decisions made in 2015.

"I was taught at a very young age that if I ever hit a woman, I would be kicked out of the house and never welcomed back. I have the same rule in my house and in the Football Program at Ohio State. “

Are you kidding me? How can he possibly make that statement? He employed and covered for a guy that broke that exact rule for 9 year.

Easily.   That is what he believed. Haven’t you figured this part out yet SM?
He does not believe he hit her.  I am certain that he has reasons and evidence to feel that way. Doesn’t  mean he is right and I agree. The Gene Smith attorney statement was pretty clear. Also, the commitee- who believed him that he does not believe it.  
There is a lot more here- you can just tell.  
Besides the obvious  legal reasons he cannot apologize for her suffering from violence, why do you think this statement says nothing about that specifically but rather refers to “what she went through”
Am I saying I agree- no.   I wouldn’t say anything if I were him because he is now in a no-win situation. True or false the narrative was created by the accusations themselves as far as the domestic violence girls and that’s how it will stay forever and yes that is because of our rush to judgment and lynch mob natality in society
And don’t take that to mean I think he didn’t do anything wrong, I’ve already said I would have fired him just for you Racing text on his phone.    

Meyer is possibly a pathological liar and convinced himself into believing things that fit his current agenda.

Again, how can he believe it? As a reminder, he and his wife were counseling the couple as they told everyone a few weeks ago after the abuse in 2009.

I think Meyer could convince himself he once walked on water. He and Kim jung Un should hang out and compare accomplishments as long as Meyer doesn’t have any more heart problems or possibly forgets his accomplishments from temporary amnesia.

Well,  you now sounds like you’ve lost your mind. 
I am not saying he did or did not get her. But to stop and think for a minute with an on biased mind. One person says he hit her. Virtually every other entity that can wait in on it says he did not. And that includes the police and apparently may have been a well-known thing around campus if you read closely Jean Smith’s attorney’s statement about multiple false reporting.   I am not saying he did or did not get her. But to stop and think for a minute with an on biased mind. One person says he hit her. Virtually every other entity that can wait in on it says he did not. And that includes the police and apparently may have been a well known thing around campus if you read closely Jean Smith’s attorney’s statement about multiple false reporting  
If your own coaches tell you they see it different and the police tell you they don’t see it that way and now others we don’t need to know now probably weigh in and said he didn’t have no if you’re on coaches tell you they see it different and the police tell you they don’t see it that way and now others we don’t need to know now probably wait in and said it didn’t happen That way – it’s not unreasonable to believe it.  
I think it is fairly obvious that there are a lot of people close to the situation that don’t believe it besides just him and I’m sure there are many that do. Are they all crazy idiots or are you saying just urban Meyer?

Meyer is possibly a pathological liar and convinced himself into believing things that fit his current agenda.

Again, how can he believe it? As a reminder, he and his wife were counseling the couple as they told everyone a few weeks ago after the abuse in 2009.

I think Meyer could convince himself he once walked on water. He and Kim jung Un should hang out and compare accomplishments as long as Meyer doesn’t have any more heart problems or possibly forgets his accomplishments from temporary amnesia.

Are you aware of where and when the 2009 incident happened?