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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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ELA

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #994 on: August 24, 2018, 11:55:22 AM »
I agree.  If this was two weeks from now, it is discussed less than today.   Once the season starts, there will be comments or remarks, but not the constant coverage.
btw.. as a husker fan, I felt the Baylor coverage > OSU coverage.   It probably feels, as a fan of OSU, like a constant bombardment (and we know how that feels), but Baylor was covered outside of sports and for a lot longer.   3 months from now, perhaps I'll be incorrect, but up to this point, I think the story has mostly run it's course.  
I'd like to think that, but I doubt it.  ESPN has fired most of their talent that knows anything about the game, and they put very little effort and resources into doing so outside of actual game presentation.
All sports, not just college football, ahs turned into off the field/court hot take central over there.  Again, I'd say that must get better ratings than Xs and Os stuff, otherwise they wouldn't do it, but they way they handle their studio stuff over there now, like continuing to shove that Greenburg-Beedle-Rose train wreck down our throats makes me realize that I don't think they do.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #995 on: August 24, 2018, 12:05:06 PM »
Ohio St needs to circle the wagons and keep things VERY quiet

if the hacks in the media don't find anything noteworthy for a couple weeks things will subside

if something juicy pops up - it's off to the races again
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #997 on: August 24, 2018, 12:40:20 PM »
I think the media types will be around Ohio State for months, not weeks, even if they find little.  We could see episodic stories about stuff, and find the stuff seems very trivial or due to unnamed sources etc.

Starting the season will help of course.  If somehow TCU upsets the Bucks, holy cow.

I bet every secretary in the department is fending off requests for comment.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #998 on: August 24, 2018, 12:53:21 PM »
I bet Urban isn't taking the wife out in public for dinner.

Might get a glass of water tossed at his table from a woman that does not approve of his handling of the situation.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #999 on: August 24, 2018, 12:59:13 PM »
Had he fired ZS in 2015, or never hired him, or reported him to compliance, it would not have helped the wife's situation at all.

Meyer's actions helped her in effect.  Perhaps someone can explain why Meyer's actions harmed her.

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« Reply #1000 on: August 24, 2018, 01:10:42 PM »
he'll serve his suspension and eventually it will all just blow over in the news cycle and the sports media will move onto the next scandal.

Meyer will go on winning games but his reputation is shot to hell and this will follow him around forever and put a stain on his legacy imo.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1001 on: August 24, 2018, 01:12:02 PM »
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1002 on: August 24, 2018, 01:16:51 PM »
If Courtney was being physically abused by Zach, she had the means to end it with one phone call. To try to hang that on Meyer is a stretch. To want Urban to apologize for this abuse is laughable. Urban didn't touch her nor did he condone it.

I find it telling that she didn't go to the media until Zach was fired. One could postulate that it was due to the money flow being shut off that caused her to break her silence. I also find it telling that she essentially set Zach up to get him on the trespassing charge by intentionally failing to meet at a predetermined drop off point to allow him to drop off her son, and then sitting on the porch with a camera to catch him in her driveway.

I don't believe that Zach is innocent in this and is most likely a complete scum bag. But I also don't believe that Courtney has a halo over her head either. Based on the numerous reports on the matter, I think they are both bat crap crazy. I also believe that Meyer saw their marriage as the train wreck that is was and was doing what he could be ensure that money would not be an issue in their failed marriage.
I think our views are similar for the most part, except for a few small nuances. I don't think most reasonable people are blaming Urban for the abuse or specifically saying he's condoning it. He did have the opportunity to say something positive to Courtney & the children & he whiffed. He could have easily said something like, "this has been a learning opportunity for all of us to take accusations of domestic violence more serious to ensure we are protecting families." How do your PR people not prep you for something like that? I thing pride and ego got in the way.
Lastly, I fully believe Courtney is a mess as well as Zack. The only part I'm undecided is how much of her actions are a reaction to years of abuse? It's a question that cannot really be answered. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1003 on: August 24, 2018, 01:23:44 PM »
forget Courtney Smith for a second.

Zach Smith is a flat out scumbag. Just pure filth. How in the hell Urban could not only hire him but keep him for almost a decade is crazy. The guy was a bad WR's coach. He could've been fired just for performance. Add to that all of his off-field BS- Urban gave him second chance after second chance. Urban let him get away with waaaaaaaay too much. Just makes zero sense. College football coaches spend one on one time with 18-21 year olds every day, not only coaching them up in football but also shaping them as men. To have total filth like Zach Smith around those young men is not only irresponsible it's just wrong. I could MAYBE see an argument if the guy was this amazing WR's coach but he wasn't. He was honestly a piss poor WR's coach.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1004 on: August 24, 2018, 01:44:51 PM »
Had he fired ZS in 2015, or never hired him, or reported him to compliance, it would not have helped the wife's situation at all.

Meyer's actions helped her in effect.  Perhaps someone can explain why Meyer's actions harmed her.
I'm not sure how anyone can say that with conviction.  Would not have helped at all? How do you know? Sometimes it takes someone's life hitting bottom, before they realize they need to change or get help. It's seen with addicts all the time.
Hell, I look at my own life. My obsession with my work and my career probably blew up my first marriage. It took an ugly divorce and life hitting bottom to evaluate how I lived life and made changes. 
Now, that guarantees nothing in this situation. It does not mean that ZS getting fired or never hired changes a single thing in that dynamic or family. We cannot say that with 100% conviction or confidence, but it's possible. It could have easily gone the opposite direction and created a more abusive and volatile situation as well. We just don't know. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1005 on: August 24, 2018, 02:07:26 PM »
(1) Did you not read my post? I said by my reading of the contract, I am not sure I would have reported it to compliance, Which is what the report said about Smith and Meyer. They believed that the didn't have to report it because there was no arrest, but they monitored it to see where it went. The board made it clear that even if no arrest it has to be reported.
I think that was a cop-out by the board. You have a coach and an AD, both making boatloads of money, and you don't train them on what their actual requirements are? Heck, at my job, mid-level managers have to take classes every two years on this. We were taught, in no uncertain terms, "if you see anything, report it--even if you don't think it's serious, even if you don't want to get anyone in trouble... report it."
I think Urban and Gene didn't want to get Zach in trouble, so they tried as hard as they could to avoid reporting it. When this blew up, the resorted to an excuse of "well we didn't think it was required because no charges were filed". You think they'd get away with that if it was about a player? 
I find it really hard to believe that at no time were they trained on what their reporting requirements were. Especially after Penn State, where Paterno reported it up to his AD and then wiped his hands of it. 
You may believe this was a failure of training by OSU on what Gene and Urban's requirements were. I think it was the school claiming they didn't adequately train as a way to excuse their lack of reporting, but I don't buy that Gene and Urban were honestly able to say they didn't think the report was required.

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(2) So you, like bwarbiany, whose comment I was responding to, believe that the compliance department that is designed to determine if University and NCAA policy, is better able to determine whether DV happened than the police and/or the DA. The police and the DA do not use the strictest standard of guilt to bring charges, that is for the final arbiter, the courts. The police and the DA only determine if there is enough evidence to bring charges.
I think there's a difference between the police's response to allegations and the university's response. The university might evaluate the evidence, note that there might not be enough evidence to clear the legal bar, but believe that university policies have not been followed and recommend action. Or they could have simply evaluated the situation, and in the absence of formal charges realized that Zach's behavior was a risk to the university and recommended action. 
And I'd say they're in better position to do that than the coach and AD, regardless of whether the evidence supports a formal legal charge of DV. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1006 on: August 24, 2018, 03:09:47 PM »
Had he fired ZS in 2015, or never hired him, or reported him to compliance, it would not have helped the wife's situation at all.

Meyer's actions helped her in effect.  Perhaps someone can explain why Meyer's actions harmed her.
there's absolutely no way to know how anything would have helped or hurt Courtney's situation
I'm sure Urban and his wife made some guesses along the way, but there's no way to know.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1007 on: August 24, 2018, 03:57:44 PM »
That's the  only redeeming factor Meyer has in this whole thing.As big as a bullshitter as I always felt he was I believe he thought they'd straighten things out.He knew if Zach got fired things would be bad for them financially - at least in the future.However that is not an excuse for his sherking his duties at Media days or not issuing an ultimatum years back
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