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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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ELA

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #980 on: August 24, 2018, 09:54:42 AM »
What are the criteria for the award?
Overachieve most in relation to preseason projections.  That does make it nearly impossible for the OSU coach to win it, although I think he should have in 2012 of BOB.  Probably would have in 2014 if the vote was after the CFP, not just after the regular season.  

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #981 on: August 24, 2018, 10:01:38 AM »
I find it telling that she didn't go to the media until Zach was fired. One could postulate that it was due to the money flow being shut off that caused her to break her silence. 
I have tarred and feathered Urban over on 11 Warriors.This is one thing he didn't do wrong.Courtney is hardly a wallflower or a victim and has been caught embellishing.The kids on the other hand have my compassion.Again IMO I think Urban knew if he fired Zach he wouldn't be able to support his ex and kids in a reasonably comfortable fashion.But the two of them had 6 years to sort it out and should have nipped it in the bud then.
 Jim Tressell fell on his sword and the University looked better for it.Urban should have done the same because this debacle has his finger prints all over it
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« Reply #982 on: August 24, 2018, 10:17:03 AM »
If Courtney was being physically abused by Zach, she had the means to end it with one phone call. To try to hang that on Meyer is a stretch. To want Urban to apologize for this abuse is laughable. Urban didn't touch her nor did he condone it.

I find it telling that she didn't go to the media until Zach was fired. One could postulate that it was due to the money flow being shut off that caused her to break her silence. I also find it telling that she essentially set Zach up to get him on the trespassing charge by intentionally failing to meet at a predetermined drop off point to allow him to drop off her son, and then sitting on the porch with a camera to catch him in her driveway.

I don't believe that Zach is innocent in this and is most likely a complete scum bag. But I also don't believe that Courtney has a halo over her head either. Based on the numerous reports on the matter, I think they are both bat crap crazy. I also believe that Meyer saw their marriage as the train wreck that is was and was doing what he could be ensure that money would not be an issue in their failed marriage.

The knots a man can twist himself into.
It's interesting, he at least theoretically would've given a woman the benefit of the doubt, given his "principles." (The ones up on a wall anyway) But in reality, we see he did not give such benefit. We can argue if he gave that benefit to the man in this case. He certainly gave it in every way beyond the DV stuff. 
I liked Spencer Hall's article on this, though it was both raw and savage and perhaps too spicy considering the present conditions. 

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« Reply #983 on: August 24, 2018, 10:20:35 AM »
There are so many different angles and such to this mess, which is why I turned off all sports coverage during the day yesterday.  A lot different views, thoughts and woulda, shoulda, coulda's.  To me, the story is so twisted and out of scope that even sports media is not sure on how to cover this, so they just throw buckets of crap, from all angles, just to keep the story going and fill air time.  For example, every single talking head at ESPN has provided us with the opinion and holy way of how they would have handled this situation.  For the most part, they are all nailing Urban Meyer to the cross and walking away saying how dishonorable a coach, mentor, and person he is, yet, under the scathing headlines of blasting him for his lack of response to domestic violence issues, they run an updated ticker of Tiger Woods golf scores and have a nice happy birthday wish for the "mamba" Kobe Bryant.  Talk about two faced and several other words I could use!

Regarding Urban's cell phone, it is striking to me how dumb people really are in this age of tech gadgets.  We are all so attached that phone, and many of us use it for just about everything in our lives, which leaves a foot print well after the delete button is used. If they wanted to really know what he had on his phone, they would have been more than able to find out, maybe not in the two week time frame, but they could have found whatever they were looking for on his phone.

As I said before, I will be very surprised if Urban Meyer is on the sidelines in Columbus next season.  He is in control of how this situation finishes up, not the media.  Anything he says in public forum will be coach speak, or the PC way in which we expect his answer to be, not the way we would really like to hear the answer.  Just once, I would love to hear a coach say it like it really should be said.  In this case, Urban Meyer looks at the reporters sitting there and says:  Yes, I f$#ked up hiring Zach Smith again, and by not firing his ass sooner than I did.  No excuses as to why, or if I could have canned him earlier, I just did not do that.  In hind sight, I should have, moving forward, I will not make that same mistake again.  IF he were to say that (legal whatever aside), I think a lot more folks would have a lot less to say! 

So much more to say, rant, babble, etc, about this, but..........my tee time awaits, and thus the start of the weekend!  

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #984 on: August 24, 2018, 10:21:26 AM »
Overachieve most in relation to preseason projections.  That does make it nearly impossible for the OSU coach to win it, although I think he should have in 2012 of BOB.  Probably would have in 2014 if the vote was after the CFP, not just after the regular season.  
Yep. I think there's like 3-4 years an OSU coach has had a case. The question after that is it almost a given SOMEONE else will overachieve to a degree. The 2014 one was weird. It was a year without a great candidate. But OSU had also lost to Va. Tech and had a second-best win of either Cincinnati or Minnesota. 
Such is life when you have the best team most years. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #985 on: August 24, 2018, 10:36:27 AM »


I'm saying the net effect of Meyer's action is to cover up potential DV, because he kept it out of the eyes of people who know a lot more than him about DV. The Compliance office doesn't try to tell him how to attack a fire zone blitz on 3rd and 9. But the exchange for that is that they don't expect him to determine what things are or are not DV--he's required to report it to them.

He failed to do that, and the net effect was that this entire situation was covered up until this year.



Actually it was in the hands of people who know more about DV than Meyer. It was in the hands of the police (and I could assume but not sure the hands of the DA) whose job it is to determine if DV has occur and should be charged. And DV was not charged. All compliance is going to to do is determined if University and NCAA rules have been violated and something needs to be done. And from the reading of the parts of the contract that someone above posted, I would question whether I would need to report if an arrest wasn't made. Which is what the board said, we made it clear to both Smith and Meyer that the need to report even if there is no arrest.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #986 on: August 24, 2018, 10:38:38 AM »
If the HC and AD discuss the issue and decide not to report to Compliance in good faith, I don't see that as much of a deal even if they are supposed to report it technically.  As noted, Compliance is not there to hire and hire or discipline, only to determine of NCAA rules were infracted, which could not be the case here.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #987 on: August 24, 2018, 10:44:20 AM »
There continues to be a lack of understanding on the psyche of a DV victim.

Nicole Brown Simpson called 911 more frequently than Courtney, and without pushing or getting charges each time.

When the only compensation your family has is it at stake, as well as the connectivity of the family unit itself, you don’t think clearly. Courtney may have had her issues, at least through rumors we have heard that. BUT, for some on here to say the ball was in her court and she didn’t do anything about is callous. The ball was just as much in Nicole Simpson’s court too.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #988 on: August 24, 2018, 10:47:36 AM »
Actually it was in the hands of people who know more about DV than Meyer. It was in the hands of the police (and I could assume but not sure the hands of the DA) whose job it is to determine if DV has occur and should be charged. And DV was not charged. Are compliance is going to to do is determined if University and NCAA rules have been violated and something needs to be done. And from the reading of the parts of the contract that someone above posted, I would question whether I would need to report if an arrest wasn't made. Which is what the board said, we made it clear to both Smith and Meyer that the need to report even if there is no arrest.
Riffraft:
(1) Urban and Gene were each and separately obligated by contract to go to compliance.
(2) the idea that the police investigating is enough to peace out and do no more is outdated and incorrect. And Mary Jo White emphasized that. That too often women are abused but charges can't come because jail time is such a tough punishment, the justice system must use the strictest standards for guilt. It would be inappropriate for employers to settle for that. Which is why the contracts are written as they are
Not being found guilty criminally is not the same as being innocent. So places like OSU are designed to try better

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #989 on: August 24, 2018, 10:49:42 AM »
That is a good point, but not really relevant to the Meyer situation, I think.

Comment directed a how abused spouses may not press charges, not the later post.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #990 on: August 24, 2018, 10:53:42 AM »
I have no judgments on Courtney Smith.  However, I believe all of the 2015 911 calls were after they were split up and were getting a divorce (I know at least one was before the divorce was filed but it is not contested that they were split up).  Evaluating a history of abuse is inherently problematic during such a time, so I don't really fault Gene Smith and Urban for their tack of waiting for the police, who obviously were aware of the situation because they informed OSU.  It seems reasonable to me under the circumstances, if perhaps not what they were contractually obligated to do.

The less reasonable thing was Urban failing to disclose the 09 arrest to Gene Smith.

Also, Rmazy tweeted about Urban's brain surgery in 2014.  I had completely forgotten about that, but the memory meds may make more sense in that context.

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« Reply #991 on: August 24, 2018, 10:59:37 AM »
Riffraft:
(1) Urban and Gene were each and separately obligated by contract to go to compliance.
(2) the idea that the police investigating is enough to peace out and do no more is outdated and incorrect. And Mary Jo White emphasized that. That too often women are abused but charges can't come because jail time is such a tough punishment, the justice system must use the strictest standards for guilt. It would be inappropriate for employers to settle for that. Which is why the contracts are written as they are
Not being found guilty criminally is not the same as being innocent. So places like OSU are designed to try better
(1) Did you not read my post? I said by my reading of the contract, I am not sure I would have reported it to compliance, Which is what the report said about Smith and Meyer. They believed that the didn't have to report it because there was no arrest, but they monitored it to see where it went. The board made it clear that even if no arrest it has to be reported.
(2) So you, like bwarbiary, whose comment I was responding to, believe that the compliance department that is designed to determine if University and NCAA policy, is better able to determine whether DV happened than the police and/or the DA. The police and the DA do not use the strictest standard of guilt to bring charges, that is for the final arbiter, the courts. The police and the DA only determine if there is enough evidence to bring charges.

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« Reply #992 on: August 24, 2018, 11:45:09 AM »
Also, Rmazy tweeted about Urban's brain surgery in 2014.  I had completely forgotten about that, but the memory meds may make more sense in that context.
Brain Surgery?i don't recall hearing about that
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #993 on: August 24, 2018, 11:45:30 AM »
Yes, we will wait and see, and I could well be wrong here and we'll see this doesn't have legs and basically goes away amidst the real news of the season starting.


I agree.  If this was two weeks from now, it is discussed less than today.   Once the season starts, there will be comments or remarks, but not the constant coverage.
btw.. as a husker fan, I felt the Baylor coverage > OSU coverage.   It probably feels, as a fan of OSU, like a constant bombardment (and we know how that feels), but Baylor was covered outside of sports and for a lot longer.   3 months from now, perhaps I'll be incorrect, but up to this point, I think the story has mostly run it's course. 

 

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