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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1036 on: August 24, 2018, 11:01:47 PM »
As I said before the best $$ an Ohio State donor could burn right now would be to send Zach smith an all expenses paid vacation to some remote cabana in the Maldives with no cell or internet service. Give him $1,000 for every day he stays off the grid.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1037 on: August 25, 2018, 06:02:33 AM »
One person says he hit her. 
Two people. Courtney and her mom - with both being documented in texts. 
And Courtney's texts include ostensible admission of guilt from Zach ("I know"). 
I admit her mom's texts are complicated. They come from before the estrangement when she clearly used language expressing she was convinced that Zach had abused her. I know after the estrangement that she gave a contrarian take to Snook (but only Snook?). Even then, it's worth acknowledging the timeline that not only did she agree with her daughter before Snook but, then, after the Snook interview she was also happy to provide these old texts despite the fact that it contradicted her own contrarian take.
That alone called Snook's reporting into question. And how the investigation finished only doubled us down on that.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1038 on: August 25, 2018, 06:05:34 AM »
10,000 documents 60,000 texts 40 witnesses and they could not catch him in one lie?  But he’s a pathological liar?
How many of those were the texts that he conspired with his Director of Football Operations to delete?
When one's first compulsion at the beginning of an investigation is to destroy evidence ... it's forever fair to speculate about their lying.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1039 on: August 25, 2018, 07:19:04 AM »
Seen that long ago.  Where is the lie?  Did you not read the report and his texts   The night before asking Jean Smith and and others for advice On what to say because he could not remember that incident?
He knows “nothing about 2015.” Let that sink in. I called the people back at the office and they knew nothing about it.
C’mon man. Put this in context. This was long before the suspension and investigation and before anyone was poking around. This dude is literally lying to make it go away. 
Yes, I’ve read that you’ve posted multiple times you’d fire him for deleting texts, but you’re acting like he did nothing else wrong. You don’t delete texts unless there’s something to find. He’s not an honest guy. Never has been. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1040 on: August 25, 2018, 08:00:17 AM »
my bet is Urban will retire after this year.

people always talk about Harbaugh being a guy who is job hopper and flames out. I think Urban is more in that vein. Bowling Green two years, Utah two years. Goes to Florida for 6 years, quits, unquits for a year, then quits again.

His time at Ohio State might just be coming to an end. Talk about stress. The last month must've been the most stressful of his professional life. He did NOT look like a happy camper at that presser. He looked pissssssssed.
Agreed, only I wouldn’t be surprised if it came sooner.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1041 on: August 25, 2018, 08:16:43 AM »
How many of those were the texts that he conspired with his Director of Football Operations to delete?
When one's first compulsion at the beginning of an investigation is to destroy evidence ... it's forever fair to speculate about their lying.
Not sure your context at this juncture?  If a debate is like a chess game, your working on the Knight you took at the beginning.
The texts are reason enough to terminate, but I add the general concept of inaction versus just warning, on terminating ZS.
The texts bother me the most. What or why are you hiding?  Not reporting to compliance, bothers me only from the Gene Smith angle, now that the report shows that Title IV person knew, and HR WAS informed.   If there was not clarity around compliance needing in, which is understandable for a criminal case, I hold Gene sole responsible for that. For god sakes your the AD!
To me, the situation is intuitively easy to see here.  He probably deleted them because he knew his wife had sent him some texts some time ago, probably knew they were going to not help. But, the thing that nobody, besides the committee- who danced around it mostly- is not talking about is that Meyer, his wife, Gene Smith, and many others- simply had enough of their own evidence to question CS credibility.
They simply didn’t want to fire ZS based on the evidence they had ( police reports, etc)
Didn’t the incident in09 happen at Meyers  house, after a dinner party? And were there witnesses?   I think this only contributed.  
If you want to blast any man for not taking a DV claim as gospel, just because it is made, then yes, blast away.   My gut tells me many and possibly most of the people criticizing Urban would have struggled with that part of this....the claims of DV.  It’s just political suicide to admit it.  Again, you don’t hear the talking heads screaming for Gene’s scalp..   why is that?...
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1042 on: August 25, 2018, 10:13:46 AM »
Gene did recommend that Urbs fire Zach a few years back.And he declined.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1043 on: August 25, 2018, 10:17:27 AM »
my bet is Urban will retire after this year.He did NOT look like a happy camper at that presser. He looked pissssssssed.  

I hope you're right but I think he's smug enough he might stick around just to prove a point.What ever that point might be.If he's pissed it's because his speil has blown up in his face and circles around and bit him in the ass
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1044 on: August 25, 2018, 10:28:11 AM »
Yes, I’ve read that you’ve posted multiple times you’d fire him for deleting texts, but you’re acting like he did nothing else wrong. You don’t delete texts unless there’s something to find. He’s not an honest guy. Never has been.
Super if you're going that route McMurphy deleted/edited his facebook acct I don't know how many times.Meyer is a bad look with his flip flopping and ignoring Zach's juvenile behavior.He evidently wasn't liked by the staff as he was really a very bad coach.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1045 on: August 25, 2018, 10:46:08 AM »
 Ramzy from 11 Warriors chimes in here,for some reason I couldn't copy/paste to over here.Scroll down about 2/3rds and he lays out 9 points

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohio-state-football/2018/08/95643/could-osu-beat-writers-have-done-more-to-prevent-zach-smith-fiasco#comment-3643942
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1046 on: August 25, 2018, 11:23:13 AM »
Super if you're going that route McMurphy deleted/edited his facebook acct I don't know how many times.Meyer is a bad look with his flip flopping and ignoring Zach's juvenile behavior.He evidently wasn't liked by the staff as he was really a very bad coach.
Do you think it’s the same? I’m asking honestly, not being argumentative. I see it as a reporter correcting errors after obtaining information that disputes a report vs someone trying to hide evidence. For me it’s not the same.
As for the article, I think if someone reports it, they’re cut off from access. 850 in Cleveland has never had UM on the station and they’re the home of the Buckeyes in Cleveland. Calling out an assistant coach would not have gone over well for any paper our outlet. Look what happen to mcMurphy. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1047 on: August 25, 2018, 11:55:09 AM »
McMurphy had run with and plastered some assumptions that he retracted.Meyer may have deep sixed everything for the sake of covering up.According to an IT guy if court ordered that's not hard to get back that info.As someone else said would you wan't someone else reading your private exchanges - even sweet nothings to the MRS.Lot of people say they wipe there's clean once a week.Regardless the information can be retrieved.McMurphy had no problem wiping the snot out of his vault though.Kind of a hypocrite.I don't like Meyer because he's a liar not because of anything that went on with the Smiths.He gave both of them enough time to come correct.He owed the University a fair shake he had already given the Smiths more time than they deserved
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1048 on: August 25, 2018, 12:21:56 PM »
Pretty fair take. Only thing I’ll add is Meyer was aski g to wipe his phone when the Smith report came out and I’m guessing he wasn’t thinking about hiding sweet nothings to shelley.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1049 on: August 25, 2018, 12:25:37 PM »
Not sure your context at this juncture?  If a debate is like a chess game, your working on the Knight you took at the beginning.
The texts are reason enough to terminate, but I add the general concept of inaction versus just warning, on terminating ZS.
The texts bother me the most. What or why are you hiding?  Not reporting to compliance, bothers me only from the Gene Smith angle, now that the report shows that Title IV person knew, and HR WAS informed.   If there was not clarity around compliance needing in, which is understandable for a criminal case, I hold Gene sole responsible for that. For god sakes your the AD!
To me, the situation is intuitively easy to see here.  He probably deleted them because he knew his wife had sent him some texts some time ago, probably knew they were going to not help. But, the thing that nobody, besides the committee- who danced around it mostly- is not talking about is that Meyer, his wife, Gene Smith, and many others- simply had enough of their own evidence to question CS credibility.
They simply didn’t want to fire ZS based on the evidence they had ( police reports, etc)
Didn’t the incident in09 happen at Meyers  house, after a dinner party? And were there witnesses?   I think this only contributed.  
If you want to blast any man for not taking a DV claim as gospel, just because it is made, then yes, blast away.   My gut tells me many and possibly most of the people criticizing Urban would have struggled with that part of this....the claims of DV.  It’s just political suicide to admit it.  Again, you don’t hear the talking heads screaming for Gene’s scalp..   why is that?...
I don't know chess and didn't know I was still part of a debate. I just leapt at what appeared to be Super saying Urban has lied and you calling that mistaken. If I misunderstood and you have been acknowledging Urban's dishonesty, then I jumped for no reason and should apologize.

 

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