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Topic: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #154 on: September 04, 2018, 06:02:59 PM »
The 6'3.5" LT Jon Runyan Jr gave up 2 sacks and 8 QB hurries/pressures. Tough position for your QB to be in on the road in a hostile environment when his blind side protector is sucking that much ass. RG Mike Onwenu and C Cesar Ruiz have all the physical talent in the world. Which is why they were ranked so high as recruits. Unfortunately they both seem to struggle identifying who to block. When they know who to block- oh boy do they block. Onwenu absolutely caved in the DT and made a gaping hole for Higdon on the TD run. He is a behemoth- when he gets his hands on someone it's over. His football IQ and technique seem to really be lacking though. That's where Ed Warriner is going to have to earn his money.

By the way- for the lack of rush yards- some of that is on Karran Higdon. He had some gaping holes that he got only 4-5 yards out of that better backs would've gotten 20+ on. He is just an above average starting B1G back. Barely. Michigan should have ELITE backs. They sure as hell used to back in the days of Wheatley and Timmy B. Elite backs turn those 4-5 yard gains into 20 or more. And that makes any OL look better.

I THINK that Ed Warriner will be able to fix the OL in time. OL wasn't going to get fixed game one. Remember OSU's OL game one 2014 on the road at VaTech? Was pretty ugly. By the end of that year Warriner had them playing at a high level though.

As for Jon Runyan Jr- he knew who to block- he was just clearly out-matched. Same goes for RT Juwann Bushell Beatty. Really think they just don't have the physical talent to play. Time to see Jalen Mayfield and James Hudson in my opinion. Might as well let them take their lumps now and build for the future. No reason to keep starting 5th year guys at LT and RT that just can't play at this level.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #155 on: September 04, 2018, 06:06:47 PM »
Michigan Monday from the OSU fan site TheOzone is up. Pretty good read as usual.

https://theozone.net/2018/09/michigan-monday-worst-times/

Watching Michigan’s conservative offense on Saturday, I kept finding myself wondering what Jeff Brohm could do with Shea Patterson and Donovan Peoples-Jones and Nico Collins and Chris Evans and Karan Higdon.
I have long said that bad offense is a choice, and for as much as people like to talk about Harbaugh’s complex offensive system, maybe it’s only complex to Michigan.
Jim Harbaugh has now been at Michigan for 40 games. His offense has seven games of at least 500 yards of total offense and nine games of under 300 yards. In 2015, the Wolverines had two 500-yard games. In 2016 they increased that number to five. Last year, however, there was nothing.
Each year the number of games with fewer than 300 yards has increased — from two in 2015, to three in 2016, to four last year.
Over Ohio State’s last 40 games, they have 16 games of 500 yards or more and just four games of less than 300 yards. Two of those 300-yard days came in the postseason, including last year’s 24-7 Cotton Bowl win over USC.
The Buckeyes have six 600-yard days over the last 40 games, compared to Michigan’s seven 500-yard outings.
Ohio State fans get mad at Urban Meyer’s stubborness when it comes to his offense, but even through that stubborness his offenses have averaged 480 yards per game since his arrival in 2012 and rewritten OSU’s record books.
The only thing Jim Harbaugh’s offense is rewriting is expectations.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #156 on: September 04, 2018, 06:07:19 PM »
I think Higdon has elite vision, he just doesn't have that burst.  Those holes close a half second faster against good defenses, which is the problem.  His football IQ carries him against lesser competition, but as you said, just sometimes a half step slow hitting the hole, that hurts you against a defense like the Irish.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #157 on: September 04, 2018, 06:08:07 PM »
I can only imagine if an MSU blog dedicated a write up each week to Michigan.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #158 on: September 04, 2018, 06:23:56 PM »
I think Higdon has elite vision, he just doesn't have that burst.  Those holes close a half second faster against good defenses, which is the problem. His football IQ carries him against lesser competition, but as you said, just sometimes a half step slow hitting the hole, that hurts you against a defense like the Irish.
Not really sure it's the vision or the burst that hold him back- I think it's more his balance and tackle breaking. He had a couple 5 yard runs where he had huge holes got brought down with arm tackles. He breaks those arm tackles he had nothing but green ahead of him. Literally nothing. Bigger, stronger, NFL type backs would've shed those arm tackles bounced off them and went for 20 or more yards. The guy can't break arm tackles- and it's sad. He's too small.

His burst is fine in my eyes. It's the top end speed he lacks and like I said the lower body power and balance that all great backs have that he lacks. Look at the great backs to play this game. Their lower legs are like tree trunks and arm tackles never bring them down.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #159 on: September 04, 2018, 06:26:30 PM »
also- really feel like they need to play Ambry Thomas on offense. This offense is stale and it sucks. Might as well get the ball into a play-makers hands. Probably not a bigger play-maker on that squad than Thomas. I'd play him in the slot with Perry and Oliver.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #160 on: September 04, 2018, 06:28:09 PM »
Why doesn't #12 start at RB for Michigan?  He has a burst.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #161 on: September 04, 2018, 06:35:43 PM »
Why doesn't #12 start at RB for Michigan?  He has a burst.
because he dances too much behind the LOS. He won't just hit the hole like Higdon does. Harbaugh seems to like the north/south run style where the back hits the hole and always gets positive rush yards.
Evans will lose yards tap dancing too much. Even so, it was kinda pathetic that he only had 2 touches all game. The kid is a nightmare for LB's and safeties in pass coverage. Lots of colleges were recruiting him to play slot receiver. He really has tons of ability as a pass catcher and he's a mismatch in the open field.
Unfortunately Harbaugh has zero clue how to use him. Instead of sending him out wide to run a pass route 20 yards down the field on a crucial 3rd down he sends Karran Higdon.
Jim is an idiot savant. Has no idea how to use personnel.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #162 on: September 04, 2018, 06:42:19 PM »
according to PFF- Michigan's OL allowed 21 QB pressures (sacks, QB hits, QB hurries) against ND. Shea Patterson threw the ball 30 times folks. Dude was running for his life. 15 of those pressures came from the staring tackles. Jon Runyan Jr with 8 and Juwann Bushell Beaty with 7. Runyan by the way gave up 2 of the 3 sacks that ND had.

YUCK. Michigan had bad tackle play last year. These tackles are worse.

This Saturday against Western Michigan would be a PERFECT game to bench those guys and break in the young tackles James Hudson and Jalen Mayfield. What's Jim gonna do? Start the sucky seniors instead.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #163 on: September 04, 2018, 06:55:33 PM »
I'd really trust Warriner on this provided he decides who starts.They might want to get the others snaps if just to work them in for later in the season.The staff has prolly already figured that out
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #164 on: September 04, 2018, 06:57:42 PM »
I'd really trust Warriner on this provided he decides who starts.They might want to get the others snaps if just to work them in for later in the season.The staff has prolly already figured that out
not sure he decides. unfortunately, I think Jim has his hands all over that offense. he really needs to just let it all go or he's going to wind up not being the coach at Michigan anymore.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #165 on: September 04, 2018, 07:55:37 PM »
As for that game: ND's receivers beat the Michigan defensive backfield. ND's quarterback/scheme beat the Michigan front 7. Michigan's offense wasn't consistent enough to beat a pretty good ND defense. Then ND nursed a lead, while Michigan fought its way back in.
Not sure I agree with this statement. Brandon Wimbush threw for a whopping 170 yards. It's not like Notre Dame gashed the Michigan defensive backfield for 400 yards passing.
To start the game LaVert Hill got beat twice and was benched for a few plays. They threw him back out there and he settled down and was himself and locking down.
Wimbush got 43 of those 170 yards on one play. A play that in all honesty was a poorly underthrown ball that should've been an interception in the end zone. Michigan safety Brad Hawkins was in position for the interception. Timed his jump poorly and let a 5 foot 9 inch white kid snatch it from him. Great play by that kid, but a really bad one by the rs freshman safety Brad Hawkins.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #166 on: September 04, 2018, 08:12:33 PM »
Tactically, I think Jim has, at times, a decent to good level of creativity. He was great with the 49ers. Saturday was probably diverse enough tactically. But he can't seem to get his running backs, quarterbacks or offensive linemen to be good. And that kills everything.
He is creative- at times- with his running game. His passing game? It's atrocious.
Article from Inside the 49ers blog in 2015 on Jim's offense right after he left the 49ers. https://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/wont-miss-jim-harbaugh/
Reading that article now- damn is it prophetic.

Jim is a great turnaround artist. He picked Michigan football up out of the gutter- starting to doubt whether or not he's the kind of guy who can get over the hump and build a long lasting program.

He's a hell of a coach. But to me he just seems to have lost it. He's not the same guy he used to be. I think he might be on medication. He just seems to have lost that edge. It's like he's tamed now. He used to be batshit crazy on those sidelines and I think his team fed off that.

I don't think he'll ever get fired from Michigan, but he might be back off to the NFL in a couple years.

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #167 on: September 04, 2018, 08:17:36 PM »

I think its also becoming more difficult to find players coming out of HS who are versed in this approach to offense. Spread concepts dominate at the HS level, and have since the current crop of players were children. You start with a lower base of knowledge and experience, then reduce the opportunities to teach it...you're going to have problems.

The same problem is flowing upward to the NFL, where they are drafting college QBs with minimal knowledge of coverages. All they read during their college career are the apex defender and relevant safety on one side of the field.
this is a great point. which is also a reason why it's probably best for college coaches to run spread offenses. Why make it harder on yourself?
You don't have the time with the kids to teach them complex pro offenses. Better off making it easier on the HS kids coming in to college running stuff they are familiar with.

 

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