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Topic: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game

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bayareabadger

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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #112 on: September 03, 2018, 09:21:57 AM »
Quote from: SuperMario on September 02, 2018, 09:10:47 PM
When you run the same play every time on 1st and 2nd down, it’s not the passing game.
What play is that?
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #113 on: September 03, 2018, 09:35:26 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on September 03, 2018, 09:21:57 AM
What play is that?
In Cleveland, we call it Metcalf up the middle.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #114 on: September 03, 2018, 02:03:04 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 03, 2018, 09:03:12 AM
money is not an issue at Michigan
Even if $30 million isn’t an issue what willing name is out there worth spending another $30 million to set up? And it’s not just the money - is Michigan at this point another Tennessee? Stuck in multiple decades of hiring a new staff every 3 to 4 years? Might be better to stick with Harbaugh if the current staff on offense can be replaced.
And also, sports radio today is making a living off of bringing up how Harbaugh is 9-9 in his last 18 games and how Harbaugh 28-12 record through forty games is only one win better than Hoke’s 27-13 record. Hole kept on losing but with what Harbaugh has left this year there’s still enough chance at winning to pull away from having a comparable record with Hoke.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (0-1) Post Game
« Reply #115 on: September 03, 2018, 02:09:32 PM »
Quote from: SuperMario on September 03, 2018, 09:35:26 AM
In Cleveland, we call it Metcalf up the middle.
After some research, this doesn’t exactly describe what happened (Also, run up the middle is not a play. It’s a binary type of play and a vague direction that accounts for 80 percent or so of runs)
But what this does say is this, when an offense is bad, it usually feels bad in the same ways, which is interesting in its own right, though not much consolation. 
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #116 on: September 03, 2018, 02:53:23 PM »
A plot, each first down separated (Bar means a new drive)
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At this point Michigna is down 14 with 5 minutes left and play-calling isn't the most useful indicator on this front.

So all told, there was run/run/pass twice in the game. Once started with a toss sweep for minus-4 and then ND stuffing a 2nd and 14 run. The other was under center power (not a popular one when it only gets 3)/A called pass where the QB scrambles/An out to the sticks. All told, the first-down run rate was 54 percent. 
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #117 on: September 03, 2018, 03:20:25 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on September 03, 2018, 02:09:32 PM
After some research, this doesn’t exactly describe what happened (Also, run up the middle is not a play. It’s a binary type of play and a vague direction that accounts for 80 percent or so of runs)
But what this does say is this, when an offense is bad, it usually feels bad in the same ways, which is interesting in its own right, though not much consolation.
You're over analyzing it,Belichick(at the time) like Harbaugh had no imagination it wasn't complete lack of talent.Just not using what you have effectively.Eric Metcalf was explosive given some room.Swing passes or quick slants out of the backfield,punt & kick off returns he was electric.He was maybe 170lbs dripping wet so Belichick to make some kind of odd point kept sending him up the middle where he was easily knocked down.Just wish he would pull the same crap in N.E. but Brady and him find each other and he finds some common sense and the rest is history.That's not the same guy who coached in Cleveland
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #118 on: September 03, 2018, 04:57:26 PM »
Apparently Braylon Edwards doesn't watch the Bus Tour, and didn't know you can't say anything negative about Big Ten teams on BTN.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #119 on: September 03, 2018, 05:05:01 PM »
What a whack,you'd think with his checkered,pissy past he might find some grace or compassion.Hey Bra-Bra these kids aren't getting paid,like you were when you were a league leader in dropped passes a couple of times
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #120 on: September 03, 2018, 05:17:32 PM »
This is also why I think (names aside) my ideal coaching combo is a defensive minded head coach with an elite OC with autonomy, or in the NFL, an elite QB.  That's why it works in NE, or with Dungy-Manning.  Tomlin-Roethlisberger.  The best DCs bring a mentality to the roster, while the best offensive minds are best used as tacticians.  As long as it is Harbaugh's offense, nothing will change.  As has been said, he's a motivator, not a tactician, but that doesn't stop him from being too involved in the offense.  It has worked with Meyer because he's an elite recruiter, and he's been willing to trust his offense to his OC.  Unless harbaugh gets there, I don't think it works.  I just don't like offensively minded head coaches, unless they can totally step back (which is rare for head coaches from either side of the ball) like Meyer has done.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #121 on: September 03, 2018, 05:20:15 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on September 03, 2018, 03:20:25 PM
You're over analyzing it,Belichick(at the time) like Harbaugh had no imagination it wasn't complete lack of talent.Just not using what you have effectively.Eric Metcalf was explosive given some room.Swing passes or quick slants out of the backfield,punt & kick off returns he was electric.He was maybe 170lbs dripping wet so Belichick to make some kind of odd point kept sending him up the middle where he was easily knocked down.Just wish he would pull the same crap in N.E. but Brady and him find each other and he finds some common sense and the rest is history.That's not the same guy who coached in Cleveland
I should clarify, I meant to say that didn't happen in the Michigan game. There was little run-run-pass, and there were more than a few perimeter runs 
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #122 on: September 03, 2018, 05:20:18 PM »
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #123 on: September 03, 2018, 05:49:05 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on September 03, 2018, 02:53:23 PM

So all told, there was run/run/pass twice in the game. Once started with a toss sweep for minus-4 and then ND stuffing a 2nd and 14 run. The other was under center power (not a popular one when it only gets 3)/A called pass where the QB scrambles/An out to the sticks. All told, the first-down run rate was 54 percent.
Why are you trying to bring facts into this? We're trying to find a scapegoat! :57:
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #124 on: September 03, 2018, 06:28:30 PM »
Maybe Harbaugh needs David Shaw. Looking back, that was one helluva staff he had out there on the farm.
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Re: #14 Michigan (0-1) at #12 Notre Dame (1-0) Post Game
« Reply #125 on: September 03, 2018, 06:31:43 PM »
Quote from: ELA on September 03, 2018, 05:17:32 PM
This is also why I think (names aside) my ideal coaching combo is a defensive minded head coach with an elite OC with autonomy, or in the NFL, an elite QB.  That's why it works in NE, or with Dungy-Manning.  Tomlin-Roethlisberger.  The best DCs bring a mentality to the roster, while the best offensive minds are best used as tacticians.  As long as it is Harbaugh's offense, nothing will change.  As has been said, he's a motivator, not a tactician, but that doesn't stop him from being too involved in the offense.  It has worked with Meyer because he's an elite recruiter, and he's been willing to trust his offense to his OC.  Unless harbaugh gets there, I don't think it works.  I just don't like offensively minded head coaches, unless they can totally step back (which is rare for head coaches from either side of the ball) like Meyer has done.
I ... I am not sure either of these things is true. 

Tactically, I think Jim has, at times, a decent to good level of creativity. He was great with the 49ers. Saturday was probably diverse enough tactically. But he can't seem to get his running backs, quarterbacks or offensive linemen to be good. And that kills everything.

As for Urban, don't we complain every year when the lose that the "his offense" part of the offense cost them? I mean, I know he says he steps back, but the offenses always seem to look like Urban Meyer offenses (this year might be different)
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