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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: 847badgerfan on October 18, 2021, 08:45:40 AM
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We already know about USC.
Now, the LSU job is open.
LSU insiders are already talking about Mel Tucker and Dave Aranda.
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which job is better?
USC *should* be, but LSU probably is.
Dave Aranda or Mel Tucker make a lot of sense for LSU. Surprisingly though, their fans on the internets don't seem too thrilled by either of them. Hey, it could be worse. You could hire Steve Sarkisian.
If Urban leaves the NFL, USC makes a whole lotta sense. But I don't think he's leaving the NFL. I hope he sticks with the NFL for at least 4-5 years because I think he'll win with Trevor Lawerence if he just sticks it out.
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Lots of Franklin chatter on the USC sites.
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Don't think USC President Carol Folt will ever agree to hire Urban.
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Posted this in the other thread, but to me it comes down to what Mel Tucker's ultimate goal is. I suspect he wants to be an NFL head coach. If that's true, I'm not sure how jumping to LSU makes sense. I would think he sticks around MSU for another two years, and then goes to the NFL.
If he wants to be at the best possible college to try and win a national title at, then I could see him going to Baton Rouge, and wouldn't blame him. For some reason I don't see him going to USC, just more of a gut feel than anything.
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Mel has some experience in the PAC
would be an easier road than the SEC
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Posted this in the other thread, but to me it comes down to what Mel Tucker's ultimate goal is. I suspect he wants to be an NFL head coach. If that's true, I'm not sure how jumping to LSU makes sense. I would think he sticks around MSU for another two years, and then goes to the NFL.
If he wants to be at the best possible college to try and win a national title at, then I could see him going to Baton Rouge, and wouldn't blame him. For some reason I don't see him going to USC, just more of a gut feel than anything.
worked for Saban. He left MSU to LSU, then became an NFL head coach after he won a title at LSU.
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worked for Saban. He left MSU to LSU, then became an NFL head coach after he won a title at LSU.
Yes, but a couple things.
#1 Saban changed things at LSU. The expectations at LSU when he went there were very different than now.
#2 I mean I think is goal is to be in the NFL sooner rather than later. That's why I said I think he'll be at MSU for another couple years, then jump. The bar for being a good coach at MSU is different than LSU. If he can keep MSU up for the next couple years, he'll remain a hot name. At LSU if he goes 8-4 the next couple of years, nobody is calling him from the NFL.
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Mel has some experience in the PAC
would be an easier road than the SEC
Agreed.
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The natives are very restless in Louisiana (and Auburn). Two years removed from a national championship and out he goes.
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https://twitter.com/BarrettSallee/status/1450123498223964161?s=20
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Does LSU really have the money for Jimbo at $9 MM + per year? Plus I could see A&M matching LSU dollar for Dollar + 15%.
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Does LSU really have the money for Jimbo at $9 MM + per year? Plus I could see A&M matching LSU dollar for Dollar + 15%.
They have the money to get him a raise from A&M. Man he and his agent are all kinds of slick.
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I don't think the money's the deal. If Jimbo were to leave A&M, it would be because he wanted to change either his personal or professional situation, for whatever reason.
But I'd be pretty surprised if that happened.
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https://twitter.com/BarrettSallee/status/1450123498223964161?s=20
https://twitter.com/zewing/status/1450216992275898376?t=jV329pPWPIw1j1_EIj8A6A&s=19
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I think Mel Tucker might be good. But let’s face it, he’s proven so, so very little.
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I think Mel Tucker might be good. But let’s face it, he’s proven so, so very little.
Yeah, you pay two buyouts, then a salary probably in the $7-8 million range, you better be right.
Also, what is the advantage of doing it now, but allowing him to coach, if what you want won't be available til after the season anyway? Granted I don't know the splash hire out there not coaching right now.
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I guess it at least stops the constant questions about job security for the coach. If you know you're gonna fire him, do you have to give the fake vote of confidence?
Also, on the other side, an interim coach is an awful thing. If he strings together a few wins, then you'll be on the hook a lot of times to hire that guy. And other than Dabo Swinney, that hire almost never works out. USC almost had to hire Coach O a few years back when he was the interim guy there. And didn't Clay Helton get the job there the same way a few years later?
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I see Wash St just fired their coach for cause because he refused to get vaccinated.
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Apparently the long time assistant GM of the Steelers, today on the radio said he thinks there will be a mutually agreed upon split between the Steelers and Mike Tomlin after the season, and that Tomlin will be a top candidate for either USC or LSU. I don't get why anyone would, by choice, go from the NFL back to college. He could have another NFL job next year if he wanted it
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Especially LSU, where you can't even cash in on some Title-tail if you win one.
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Apparently the long time assistant GM of the Steelers, today on the radio said he thinks there will be a mutually agreed upon split between the Steelers and Mike Tomlin after the season, and that Tomlin will be a top candidate for either USC or LSU. I don't get why anyone would, by choice, go from the NFL back to college.
Ya,recruiting makes it a 12 month a year Day Care job. "Please be a good boy and come to SC,puhleeze"
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I see Wash St just fired their coach for cause because he refused to get vaccinated.
Not like there's anyone around the Palouse to spread a virus in the 1st place.Don't hear/see squat since the Pirate left
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Not like there's anyone around the Palouse to spread a virus in the 1st place.Don't hear/see squat since the Pirate left
It took Mike Price like 48 hours in the mainstream to blow it
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I'm not naive to believe that Jimbo Fisher wouldn't go to LSU, but I can't see them outbidding us for him unless we just refuse to raise the ante. Supposedly he has a no buyout clause on his side, which means that he can leave at any time and won't owe us a dime. I think Saban's contract is worded this way as well. I heard LSU has money problems, but not sure how that looks on the athletic side vs the academic side.
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I've noted that even lofty programs are 4-5 bad coaching hires away from mediocrity, or worse. Some programs could be partially immune to that because of relative ease in recruiting.
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Don't get LSU dumping Big Ed less than 2 yrs after winning a National Title,and he's a native son.It perfect raise material for a coach in Tucker's position
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Don't get LSU dumping Big Ed less than 2 yrs after winning a National Title,and he's a native son.It perfect raise material for a coach in Tucker's position
Mike says there are a lot of "issues" aside from the winning and losing extant, the losses just made it all worse. The Big Donors wants him gone.
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As long as big donors keep ponying up big
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Does LSU really have the money for Jimbo at $9 MM + per year? Plus I could see A&M matching LSU dollar for Dollar + 15%.
Jimbo will not even get a call. Anything else you hear is just news outlets doing their best to generate clicks. He won't be able to leverage this opening for a raise at A&M and he won't be LSU's next coach.
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James Franklin fired his agent, hires SEC super agent Jimmy Sexton. He gone.
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Apparently the long time assistant GM of the Steelers, today on the radio said he thinks there will be a mutually agreed upon split between the Steelers and Mike Tomlin after the season, and that Tomlin will be a top candidate for either USC or LSU. I don't get why anyone would, by choice, go from the NFL back to college. He could have another NFL job next year if he wanted it
Yeah I don’t buy this either. Even if he leaves the Steelers he’ll have every NFL team with an open job chasing his ass.
The Harbaugh to Michigan thing was extremely rare case of guy going home to where he grew up, his dad coached, and where he played. If they don’t have all this connections no way they ever get him.
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The natives are very restless in Louisiana (and Auburn). Two years removed from a national championship and out he goes.
LSU tossing Orgeron is about more than on-the-field stuff. He's pissed off the administration in personal confrontations with his hot temper more than once, constantly embarrassed the university in multiple ways, and is currently a defendant in two Title IX lawsuits. That's the substantiated circumstances. There's other, unsubstantiated circumstances that the people in the middle of that circle probably know for sure if true or if false.
If not for that stuff he probably would have another year to right the ship.
Although I don't believe he could. And if the AD, board and BMD's are convinced you're not the guy, then even disregarding the other stuff, why wait?
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As long as big donors keep ponying up big
they only have one job, and they excel at it.
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The main thing I'm watching with LSU is the budding power struggle between the new prez and the new AD. President Tate has inserted himself into the process, appearing in press conferences standing off to the side and speaking out on the matter, all of which is unusual at LSU until you know one thing. He's openly expressed he wants this to be a legacy hire and he wants to be the president to bring the first minority coach to the LSU football program. Following that, Mel Tucker and James Franklin are his 1 and 2, respectively.
They're on AD Woodward's list too, but we don't know how high. Woody is showing signs he wants Tate to butt out and let him do his job. We don't have a good sense of what order Woody's preferences are--I'm not sure he knows himself, I think he's still evaluating and open--but we do know some of the names on it.
Franklin is on it. LSU has already reached out and word is the initial contact did not go well. That's not to say that it couldn't happen, but that things didn't get off to a good start.
Tucker is on it. No idea if he returns the interest.
Kiffin is on it. Kiffin (or maybe more accurately his people) is openly winking back. That could be just a play for a raise from Ole Miss, but I doubt it. IMO Kiffin would jump to LSU in a heartbeat for the simple reason he can win a championship there and he can't at Ole Miss. I'd say the same for any school in that position. If Alabama, Florida, Ohio State, you name it, came open and offered Kiffin a job, he'd take it. He wants to win a championship.
Bill O'Brien is on it. Don't know if he returns the interest.
Luke Fickell is on it. From what I hear he doesn't want to coach in the South and would rather bide his time and wait for a Big Ten school to open up.
The stuff about Tomlin is odd, and it came out of nowhere just recently. I know that Woody floated out a number to agents, sort of running it up the flagpole to see who salutes. I don't know this--I repeat, this is nothing but a guess and theory on my part--I suspect that maybe this is where the Tomlin stuff came from. Whether Tomlin would go to a college team or not I have no clue--seems odd, but who knows--but I'm thinking his agent poked Woody back and said "Tell me more," and that's probably the extent of it right now. Again, I'M TOTALLY MAKING THIS UP.
Dave Aranda is more of a fan thing. So far I don't think he's a serious candidate.
Billy Napier is also more of a fan thing. I think he should be on the list, but as of this moment he's not.
In the category of "Hell No And Please Stop Talking About It" are Joe Brady and Jimbo Fisher. Joe Brady has zero interest in college, he doesn't like recruiting, he's probably in line for an NFL HC job sooner rather than later, and he has nothing on his resume to demonstrate he'd be a good HC at LSU. The guy installed some nice passing plays two years ago and that's literally it. That doesn't mean you're HC material and LSU knows it. Fisher and LSU burned all their bridges when LSU transitioned from Miles to Orgeron. The board and BMD's wanted him, they were foolish enough to think they had him, and he pissed them all off by rejecting them and going to A&M (hired by Woody, no less). Even if Woody tried to hire him again, he would be torpedo'd....there is no way the powers that be is letting that happen, even if they were convinced Jimbo was the best person for the job. As far as he's concerned, it's not a qualifications thing, it's a spurned/pride thing. Not happening. Urban Meyer almost certainly belongs on this list too, though I haven't heard anything about it. But given the problems with O, and I guess to a much lesser extent with Miles, I imagine LSU is going to steer well away from anyone with even a hint of stink on them.
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Jimbo will not even get a call. Anything else you hear is just news outlets doing their best to generate clicks
Just listening to radio guys stating just that,a negotiating ploy for a half dozen guys
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Dave Aranda makes the most sense. He's got Baylor turned around.
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Let him stay there do you really want another good SEC squad? Unless of course they will fire him in 2-3 years then OK
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James Franklin fired his agent, hires SEC super agent Jimmy Sexton. He gone.
LSU definitely needs another HC whose strength is recruiting as opposed to Xs and Os.
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Georgia vs. Florida football: Dan Mullen dealing with outside noise entering Gators rivalry game with Bulldogs (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/florida/LongFormArticle/Georgia-vs-Florida-football-Dan-Mullen-dealing-with-outside-noise-entering-Gators-rivalry-game-with-Bulldogs-173900468/#173900468_6)
I think their DC Grantham is gone at the end of the season, Mullen needs to beat FSU and win out after this weekend to finish 8-4 with a possible 9-4. And they could upset UGA of course.
FSU lost their first four games and then won three so they may not be liver that was chopped.
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Tomlin is not leaving the Steelers to coach college. He addressed it at his latest presser.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1453038987728277516?t=GPKZtnfr6R-gLWO6ia28pQ&s=19
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It looks like several upper tier teams are going to be looking, and looking at a thin market of possibles.
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Tomlin is not leaving the Steelers to coach college. He addressed it at his latest presser.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1453038987728277516?t=GPKZtnfr6R-gLWO6ia28pQ&s=19
LMFAO.
Only an idiot would believe Tomlin would ever leave the NFL for college.
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Agreed. In the transfer portal has only made it worse. I don't think any coach who can leave for the NFL, or stay in the NFL, will elect not to. Recruiting and booster ass kissing are tough enough, when you don't have to also rerecruit all of your own players
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It looks like several upper tier teams are going to be looking, and looking at a thin market of possibles.
Who knows, they might swing and miss, But it certainly seems like whoever LSU lands on will just open up another power five job
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Who knows, they might swing and miss, But it certainly seems like whoever LSU lands on will just open up another power five job
Did the Jaguars count as a power of five job?
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Agreed. In the transfer portal has only made it worse. I don't think any coach who can leave for the NFL, or stay in the NFL, will elect not to. Recruiting and booster ass kissing are tough enough, when you don't have to also rerecruit all of your own players
Yup.
Oregon just lost 5* true frosh OL Kingsley Suamataia- who just entered the portal because he was pissed off he wasn't starting as a true freshman over a senior at left tackle.
This portal thing sucks.
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The Portal and NIL are the end of the game. Enjoy the last years, fellers.
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The Portal and NIL are the end of the game. Enjoy the last years, fellers.
I don't mind NIL. Players ought to be able to trade on THEIR name, image, and likeness if the schools aren't going to pay them diddly squat. And don't give me the whole "free education!" crap- most of these guys are in bs classes earning degrees that are literally useless in the real world- and that's if they even stick around long enough to earn their degrees. And the amount of money they generate for their schools FAR EXCEEDS their dorm room costs and tuition that is being paid for by their scholarships. Especially if they are an elite player like a Charles Woodson or Tim Tebow. Michigan still making money off Woodson and he hasn't played there in over 20 years. Florida still making money off Tebow and he hasn't played there in 10+ years. The athletic departments at the helmet schools make HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS from football players. Michigan football is raking in $125 million a year in revenue every single year. That means every 4 years a player is there he is helping generate more than HALF A BILLION dollars in revenue. These guys are entitled to WAY more than the few scraps they get.
My problem is the portal. Makes it impossible to keep a team together- have to re-recruit your own players and try to keep 18 year old prima donnas with egos the size of the state of Texas happy just because they aren't starting as true freshman.
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I'd rather there be an NFL minor league. Save the 'ships for kids who want to play the game, and want to be engineers.
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I think there is one, no? UGA plays in it.
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I'd rather there be an NFL minor league. Save the 'ships for kids who want to play the game, and want to be engineers.
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Let's be honest- in the P5- how many of them are actually going to school to be engineers/doctors/lawyers - probably like 10%? If that.
Most the kids on the allotted 85 scholarship are in bs classes earning useless degrees all hoping to be in the NFL one day. Most won't make it to the NFL- but a good chunk will- and they all think they will.
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I'd rather there be an NFL minor league. Save the 'ships for kids who want to play the game, and want to be engineers.
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Basically you'd be pushing the quality of the level of play for P5 teams, down to FCS status at best.
I've watched some FCS football and I wouldn't personally find that very compelling. Maybe some people would.
I'd also have no real reason to follow any minor league professional football. I barely follow the NFL as it is.
So if something like this ever happened, it would effectively end my football fandom. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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I think a fair number of scholarship players are going for a decent degree, I don't know how many on a P5. Some of the starters and stars obviously are trying to remain eligible taking only token classes, perhaps most of them. They used to show the intended majors for players routinely, you'd see "Consumer Economics" a lot, now they don't I notice, unless the player is majoring in something real.
Some of the lesser players with scholarships, or without, probably are striving for some sort of degree. And some come from a difficult background and end up with a degree, even if it's in CE or whatever.
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Rather have more engineers than NFL players.
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Rather have more engineers than NFL players.
This is a false dichotomy... but you knew that. :)
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Rather have more engineers than NFL players.
yeah and I'd rather live in a $100 million ocean-front mansion on Palm Beach island, drive a $3.5 million Pagani Huayra Roadster BC, and be married to Adriana Lima.
Let's both wish in one hand, shit in the other- and see what happens first.
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Also, since there are only about 1,800 NFL players in a given year, there are already FAR more engineers in the world, than NFL players. ;)
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Just need more of them.
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yeah and I'd rather live in a $100 million ocean-front mansion on Palm Beach island, drive a $3.5 million Pagani Huayra Roadster BC, and be married to Adriana Lima.
Let's both wish in one hand, shit in the other- and see what happens first.
I'll make the wish, but not that last part. That's all you.
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Rather than turning D1 into D3, why not simply watch D3 since it already exists?
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Rather than turning D1 into D3, why not simply watch D3 since it already exists?
great point lmao.
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yeah and I'd rather live in a $100 million ocean-front mansion on Palm Beach island, drive a $3.5 million Pagani Huayra Roadster BC, and be married to Adriana Lima.
that was worth a quick google search
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I don't mind NIL. Players ought to be able to trade on THEIR name, image, and likeness if the schools aren't going to pay them diddly squat. And don't give me the whole "free education!" crap- most of these guys are in bs classes earning degrees that are literally useless in the real world- and that's if they even stick around long enough to earn their degrees. And the amount of money they generate for their schools FAR EXCEEDS their dorm room costs and tuition that is being paid for by their scholarships. Especially if they are an elite player like a Charles Woodson or Tim Tebow. Michigan still making money off Woodson and he hasn't played there in over 20 years. Florida still making money off Tebow and he hasn't played there in 10+ years. The athletic departments at the helmet schools make HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS from football players. Michigan football is raking in $125 million a year in revenue every single year. That means every 4 years a player is there he is helping generate more than HALF A BILLION dollars in revenue. These guys are entitled to WAY more than the few scraps they get.
My problem is the portal. Makes it impossible to keep a team together- have to re-recruit your own players and try to keep 18 year old prima donnas with egos the size of the state of Texas happy just because they aren't starting as true freshman.
Agreed
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that was worth a quick google search
He likes his Brazilians.
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Also, since there are only about 1,800 NFL players in a given year, there are already FAR more engineers in the world, than NFL players. ;)
And look at the mess we're in,so now we know the culprits
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Rather than turning D1 into D3, why not simply watch D3 since it already exists?
Minnesota is obsessed with JV college football, and I can't understand why.
Rather have more engineers than NFL players.
One of the OL from the Barber-Maroney-Barber era at Minnesota in the early 2000s was also in my civil engineering classes. He left briefly to try his hand with the Denver Broncos, but returned, finished his degree, and is now duly licensed.
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And look at the mess we're in,so now we know the culprits
There are way more lawyers. I blame them.
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that was worth a quick google search
This is who Mdot meant Drew's squeeze
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There are way more lawyers. I blame them.
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A 4.0 in EE at Wisconsin is... impressive.
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He likes his Brazilians.
What do his manscaping practices have to do with anything? O0
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He Gone. Said that the minute he hired SEC super-agent Jimmy Sexton.
https://twitter.com/OnwardStSports/status/1453489092856094725?s=20
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He Gone. Said that the minute he hired SEC super-agent Jimmy Sexton.
https://twitter.com/OnwardStSports/status/1453489092856094725?s=20
his stock only has one way to go so I think its best if he takes off when he can
the days of JoePa and Tommy O coaching for decades are gone(except in Iowa where time stands still anyways)
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I think it depends on what a coach finds rewarding. Is it money? Then he's a hired gun. Status? Penn State has status. General living conditions? Maybe some programs can leverage that if a coach prefers say a larger city. Better chance to win the NC? Is LSU>PSU? meh. You leave OSU and gain Bama.
If I'm getting paid say $6 million and someone offers me $8, I'd need some additional compelling reason to depart.
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Whether or not it's easier to win a NC at LSU than PSU in objective reality....who knows. But as far as the way most people will be thinking, they're going to realize the last 3 coaches at LSU have all won NC's, and Miles and O are considered idiots.
This goes strictly to your point, CD, not so much something the people we're talking about consider: Saban isn't going to be at Alabama forever, and Alabama isn't going to be this version of Alabama.
But in reality coaches are not built like that any more than players are. These guys relish the thought of being in a division with Alabama (or Ohio State). They live to coach those games just like the players live to play them. That's everywhere. There's no players on the Penn State roster thinking "crap, we have to play the Buckeyes again." No. These guys can barely wait to get on the field with them. That won't matter. It will matter much more if a coach thinks he can recruit better at another school, and what he can offer potential coordinators and staff in salary. Chances are you get more of the staff you want the more money you can pay. For better or worse, nobody pays coordinators like LSU.
A name I have not heard in connection with the USC or LSU jobs is Rhule. Looks to me like he's not long for the NFL, but that's just me guessing. I wouldn't mind him in Baton Rouge.
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He Gone. Said that the minute he hired SEC super-agent Jimmy Sexton.
https://twitter.com/OnwardStSports/status/1453489092856094725?s=20
Like Franklin himself said, he hired Sexton over the summer. It's only just being reported on now.
You hire Sexton when you want a raise. The only thing I know for sure this means is Franklin is getting paid more $. It could be USC paying him more money, or LSU, or Penn State. Where Franklin goes (or stays) won't surprise me, the only thing that would is if he's still making his current salary this time next year.
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Going forward in the SEC, LSU would also have OU and Texas as opponents, in addition to whatever becomes of Bama and A&M et al. (Bama may move east.)
Basically it's tough to get to the playoffs today, much less win two games in a row against elite competition. But I am saying each coach has a different list of criteria for changing jobs. I imagine for some the Number One is money, but for most it's more complicated than that.
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Right, and I'm pointing out the factors other than money.
Could Lane Kiffin be jockeying for a raise from Ole Miss? Sure....but he's not. If offered, he'd jump to LSU for the same thing he's making right now because he wants to win a championship and he thinks he can do it in Baton Rouge. That motivates him.
Maybe the nice looking unis the Nittany Lions have motivates Franklin and he's doing nothing more than getting a raise from PSU. He may not have a lick of interest in USC or LSU. In fact, LSU already reached out to his people and it didn't go well. Maybe because LSU is offering something he doesn't care about? Beats me.
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Beats me too, because these are individuals. I recall in 1980, Auburn reached out to their alum Vince Dooley, who says he was highly tempted.
His kids however were Dawg fans and basically vetoed the idea. This gave rise to a bumper sticker than said "Some folks wouldn't go to Auburn for a million dollars", which was a lot back in the day.
Sometimes the wife will have a say, like "You can go, but you'll be by yourself."
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Seems like a lot of PSU fans are ready to pack his bags for him though.
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As far as the gauntlet, it is what it is. All we have is history to go on. Since LSU committed to its football program in a way it never had before, it won 3 NCs in a span of 16 years. Okay, that's not winning MOST of the time, but then consider that only Alabama did better, and that may change when the coach responsible isn't there anymore.
The primary thing seems to be winning the division, then more often than not the rest is not some insurmountable task.
There's always Georgia waiting in the conference game. There's always Oklahoma and Ohio State and Clemson waiting beyond that. I don't think coaches look at that the same way we do. And even here in the ranks of fandom, even I've lost the will to pay attention to all the reasons the Marcus Spears and Greg McElroys of the world have for why LSU isn't in the same league as Georgia, Buckeyes, blah blah blah.
It's always a gauntlet. If you're the coach at PSU, you've got OSU, UM, and MSU to get through every year. If you do that you've STILL got Oklahoma, or Alabama, or Georgia, or whoever, waiting for you. I can't see how that's really any different.
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What about Clemson in recent years? Gauntlet? Or fairly easy road?
If the Pac had a dominant team, same story. Go to USC.
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Franklin was born and raised in PA. Not sure people know this.
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I don't watch much ACC.
PAC....Oregon maybe? USC is supposed to have several natural advantages. And as far as I know anything about the program, I agree. Why aren't more NCs being won there, and why do "bad coaches" keep winning in Baton Rouge? This type of thinking, I suspect, is more common than worrying about competition. If I were a coach I'd look at USC and think "I should be able to win there" and look at LSU and think "People are winning there," both with some history to back it up.
While at PSU you have titles last in 1986 or 1994, depending on titles PSU claims or not. But then you also have a salary that's more than most people need in a lifetime, a spectacular gameday atmosphere, evidently the ability to recruit well enough, and avoid the insane expectations at a place like LSU (I don't know what fan expectations are at USC).
That's a long-winded way of saying who knows what a guy like Franklin thinks is important. There's differences, but maybe not objectively "better" jobs.
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And by the way, because I don't miss any chance to slight the Gumps...
If it really is easier to win an NC in Death Valley than Happy Valley, then it follows that OSU > Alabama and B1G East > SEC West :)
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And by the way, because I don't miss any chance to slight the Gumps...
If it really is easier to win an NC in Death Valley than Happy Valley, then it follows that OSU > Alabama and B1G East > SEC West :)
LOL, don't let me stand in the way of trolling your rival, but it's also possible that recruiting to Death Valley > recruiting to Happy Valley. :57:
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I don't see why I should let facts stand in the way of a good narrative.
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LSU should just hire Dave Aranda and not look back. If he wins, he'll be there forever.
USC is considering him too. He is from California and has spent most of his career out West.
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I think he'd do well, lot of fans would like to see him back.
I think Woody has some interest, but right now not as much as in others. It's all fluid though, could change by hiring time.
In general LSU would try for someone with more of a track record than Aranda, but who knows. He's also not much for recruiting, and that's a must for our program.
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But seriously, if I said B1G East > SEC west, prove me wrong.
OSU, I'd think, has to be thought of as at least comparable to Alabama this year. Ole Miss has a great offense, A&M may have a good defense, but does that outweigh the depth of Michigan, Sparty, and PSU? SECw doesn't have much else to offer in 2021.
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Yeah, it's plausible, but could look different in a couple weeks. The B1GE is about to play each other.
I can't see Ole Miss and A&M and Auburn as anything but decent teams that are not elite. Arky started nicely. MSU? Meh. The SECE is probably worse though perhaps we could list Florida and UK as being decent, we'll know more about Florida Saturday evening. I have a bad feeling about that game.
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if the goal is a national championship, the gauntlet is formidable regardless of conference
the 4-team playoff is waiting
therefore, a coach will go to the place that allows the best recruiting advantages. if you don't have the best players, beating Bama or Ohio St. takes some luck.
LSU is easier to get better recruits than Penn St. that much we all know
Bob Stoops admitted at one time, that he made a very easy decision when he was offered by his alma mater, Iowa and more fertile recruiting grounds, Oklahoma.
LSU also gets better recruits than USC
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Getting to the playoff obviously is the first hurdle, and then it's somewhat a matter of chance, presuming you have a very good team in the first place. It's easier to get the first part if you're Clemson, so they make the playoff often and win a few NCs on occasion.
I'd rather have a 10% chance in the playoff than a 0% chance out of it.
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if you're recruiting at a high enough level
you have a better chance to be in the playoff and then of course perhaps better than 10% chance to win 2 straight
bama and Ohio St have recruited somewhat better than Clemson
2019 LSU had better talent than Bama and Ohio St.
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I'm thinking of a less than elite team that goes 13-0 in a weak P5 conference and thus has only a 10% chance of winning the NC because they aren't that good.
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you are correct about that team, such as Oregon, or Wake Forrest or Oklahoma
I'm thinking many coaches that want to actually win national titles place more value on recruiting advantages
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LSU also gets better recruits than USC
At the moment, but I don't see why that should necessarily remain the case. USC has all the players it could ever need in its backyard, and Pete Carroll recruited the hell out of that place. Plenty of history and path to the playoff. Not sure what the facilities are like--LSU recently revamped and totally pimped out the football complex--but there are other schools currently in construction to compete with or top what they did. I wouldn't think SC lacks for money.
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it's been going on since Pete the cheat got caught and headed for the NFL
Franklin is a great recruiter, so if he goes to USC he might elevate recruiting there above LSU, but all things the same, LSU is closer to more talent
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2019 LSU had better talent than Bama and Ohio St.
Not sure I buy that.
I think top to bottom Bama & Ohio St both had better rosters.
LSU just happened to have the best QB in the nation and he just so happened to have the best QB season in history that we've ever seen- and a guy who looks like he might just be the next Brady or Peyton Manning in the NFL in Joe Burrow.
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LSU also gets better recruits than USC
Yeah, I don't buy that. USC would look a lot different if they were keeping guys like Bryce Young, Kylon Thibodaux, and Najee Harris home. USC is in some of the most fertile recruiting grounds in America in SoCal- which is probably behind only South Florida in terms of top tier football talent- and they don't have other legit in-state schools to fight with them- Cal-Berkley??? UCLA??? South Florida has Miami, FSU, and Florida- all at one time were legit powerhouse teams that have won multiple national championships since the 1990s-present. UCLA and Cal-Berkley? They've never won shit and never will.
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Not sure I buy that.
I think top to bottom Bama & Ohio St both had better rosters.
LSU just happened to have the best QB in the nation and he just so happened to have the best QB season in history that we've ever seen- and a guy who looks like he might just be the next Brady or Peyton Manning in the NFL in Joe Burrow.
agreed, I'm not talking top to bottom
don't forget the WR's and other pass catchers on that squad
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Yeah, I don't buy that. USC would look a lot different if they were keeping guys like Bryce Young, Kylon Thibodaux, and Najee Harris home. USC is in some of the most fertile recruiting grounds in America in SoCal- which is probably behind only South Florida in terms of top tier football talent- and they don't have other legit in-state schools to fight with them- Cal-Berkley??? UCLA??? South Florida has Miami, FSU, and Florida- all at one time were legit powerhouse teams that have won multiple national championships since the 1990s-present. UCLA and Cal-Berkley? They've never won shit and never will.
yes, but they're not keeping those guys at home. Just like Miami and FSU aren't keeping the south Florida guys home
recruits want to go to the SEC SEC SEC - the proven path to the NFL
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It's not SEC exactly, it's the Major Programs that excel in feeding the NFL, because they excel in recruiting. I think a 4.5 star player can go to USC and get to the League just fine if he plays early in his career, does well, and leaves after three.
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agreed, but 4.5 star kids look at the past 5 or so drafts and see that the majority of those players come from the top schools in the SEC and Ohio St, Clemson
USC hasn't been producing at that level
with the right coach, USC certainly can do this, but... until it happens its a tougher recruiting sell than LSU
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My issue if I'm a 4.5 star RB and go to Bama, I probably sit a good bit for the first two years behind someone else. Maybe I play some in Year Three.
Or I go to "USC" and play early and show my stuff. Which is the more sure route to a Big Payday in 3 years?
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My issue if I'm a 4.5 star RB and go to Bama, I probably sit a good bit for the first two years behind someone else. Maybe I play some in Year Three.
Or I go to "USC" and play early and show my stuff. Which is the more sure route to a Big Payday in 3 years?
Legitimate question.
If you're a 4.5 star RB at Alabama running behind 5* line, even for a year, you'll look pretty good.
If you're a 4.5* RB at USC running behind a 3*-4* line as a freshman, is that actually a good thing?
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Legitimate question.
If you're a 4.5 star RB at Alabama running behind 5* line, even for a year, you'll look pretty good.
If you're a 4.5* RB at USC running behind a 3*-4* line as a freshman, is that actually a good thing?
seems to be working for Bijan Robinson.
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My issue if I'm a 4.5 star RB and go to Bama, I probably sit a good bit for the first two years behind someone else. Maybe I play some in Year Three.
Or I go to "USC" and play early and show my stuff. Which is the more sure route to a Big Payday in 3 years?
That's true provided other PAC teams have been recruiting the same.Other wise those top teams may have better lines to run behind.But if I was a recruit I'd still do what you mentioned.I'm sure any coaches,instructors,mentors kids have would point it out also
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Legitimate question.
If you're a 4.5 star RB at Alabama running behind 5* line, even for a year, you'll look pretty good.
If you're a 4.5* RB at USC running behind a 3*-4* line as a freshman, is that actually a good thing?
Based on videos of former 5*s i saw that got processed,yes.Not only that but these kids go high in the draft and many times aren't running behind 3* lines.Though they're getting cash to do it
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That's true provided other PAC teams have been recruiting the same.Other wise those top teams may have better lines to run behind.But if I was a recruit I'd still do what you mentioned.I'm sure any coaches,instructors,mentors kids have would point it out also
Ed Zachery, many logical reasonable folks try to steer these kids in a good direction, but somehow, the majority want to play in the SEC, Clemson, or Ohio St.
because, the NFL
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Legitimate question.
If you're a 4.5 star RB at Alabama running behind 5* line, even for a year, you'll look pretty good.
If you're a 4.5* RB at USC running behind a 3*-4* line as a freshman, is that actually a good thing?
That OL is also blocking against 3=4 star DLs in the Pac. That's part of my point. Go to a lesser conference and shine versus Bama and special teams play.
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seems to be working for Bijan Robinson.
Ha! Calling the Texas o-line 3*-4* is an insult to 3* and 4* players.
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Which college-football program has produced the most NFL draft picks this century? Alabama? Clemson? Ohio State? Time to find out.
Here's a look of the top 50 programs based on stats published by NCAA.com. The schools are ranked by the total number of picks they've generated from the 2000 NFL Draft to the 2020 NFL Draft. Where there were ties, we separated the programs by their number of first-round picks.
Here's a look of the top 50 programs based on stats published by NCAA.com. The schools are ranked by the total number of picks they've generated from the 2000 NFL Draft to the 2020 NFL Draft. Where there were ties, we separated the programs by their number of first-round picks.
https://www2.247sports.com/college-programs-with-the-most-nfl-draft-picks-ranked/2?utm_subid=9053810&utm_adset=3188501&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=1171145&ftag=ACQ-07-10adj1f&fbclid=IwAR3tQsoozAeY1_6VnnlgVw_u134N0TgZrAGcVvuq6PlU6UMGi6klaRQblRs (https://www2.247sports.com/college-programs-with-the-most-nfl-draft-picks-ranked/2?utm_subid=9053810&utm_adset=3188501&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=1171145&ftag=ACQ-07-10adj1f&fbclid=IwAR3tQsoozAeY1_6VnnlgVw_u134N0TgZrAGcVvuq6PlU6UMGi6klaRQblRs)
10. Michigan Wolverines
9. Oklahoma Sooners
8. Florida State
7. USC Trojans
6. Georgia Bulldogs
5. Florida Gators
4. Miami Hurricanes
3. LSU Tigers
2. Alabama Crimson Tide
1. Ohio State Buckeyes - NFL draft picks since 2000: 141 - First-rounders: 31
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Legitimate question.
If you're a 4.5 star RB at Alabama running behind 5* line, even for a year, you'll look pretty good.
If you're a 4.5* RB at USC running behind a 3*-4* line as a freshman, is that actually a good thing?
Another legitimate question...
Is it a smart move to go to a major helmet where you know you'll be sitting for two years, and where you're not subjecting your body to the wear and tear and injury risk especially at the RB position, knowing that if you ball out for one year as a junior you'll be able to jump to the draft immediately?
To some extent that's why I think QBs may not be worried about sitting behind another player, or transferring from one helmet to another, etc. Because all you need to show is one year and you're a high draft pick.
Maybe having 3 years of tape isn't any better than 1 year of tape for your draft stock, but it's a hell of a lot worse for your body.
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Another legitimate question...
Is it a smart move to go to a major helmet where you know you'll be sitting for two years, and where you're not subjecting your body to the wear and tear and injury risk especially at the RB position, knowing that if you ball out for one year as a junior you'll be able to jump to the draft immediately?
To some extent that's why I think QBs may not be worried about sitting behind another player, or transferring from one helmet to another, etc. Because all you need to show is one year and you're a high draft pick.
Maybe having 3 years of tape isn't any better than 1 year of tape for your draft stock, but it's a hell of a lot worse for your body.
Excellent point.
To take it even a little further maybe, is there risk in playing more years, from an achievement/tape perspective? If you play three years, and one is great, and two are mediocre, is that worse than having only one great year of tape at a helmet program, where you have the built-in excuse of not getting early PT because it was so talent-rich, and so NFL scouts won't hold it against you that you only have one year of tape?
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and sitting for a redshirt year or even another season allows you to learn the system and strengthen your body.
then you have a better chance to play better and have a great season to put on tape
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Yup.
On the flipside, most 5-stars didn't get that way by wanting to NOT play. These kids are super-competitive, and I don't blame them at all for wanting to get in there and play right away.
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Hard to cash in on NIL money if you're not on the field.
Think again if you don't believe this to be a factor.
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Hard to cash in on NIL money if you're not on the field.
Think again if you don't believe this to be a factor.
I guess it's hard to cash in on "legitimate" NIL money.
But if you're a 5-star, you're already being paid simply for signing that LOI.
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Rattler still getting paid
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This is why I posed the question with a 4.5 star, a really good player but not considered "elite". We think RB but it could also be an LB of course. Would you fare better at USC playing against weaker players or sitting a year at Alabama? And yes, you could have that one great year as a junior and do just fine either place.
Knownshon Moreno was red shirted, played two years and left, which probably was a good thing for him later. He was on the practice squad of course so he took some wear and tear, but also some college level conditioning.
There probably is not right answer for everyone. I think were I a 3.5 star and trusted that rating, I'd probably lean to a "USC" or "Oregon" and UNC. I'd guess many feel they are soo good against HS competition they really are 5 stars though.
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Hard to cash in on NIL money if you're not on the field.
Think again if you don't believe this to be a factor.
If this is true, then it SHOULD lead to high-end recruits accepting offers at "lesser" schools where they'll be superstars and get early playing time.
It remains to be seen if that will start to happen.
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Mullen at Florida is catching some heat now. Preseason he was regarded as a good coach, but they are 4-4 with a mystifying loss at LSU, an ugly loss at UK, and a near blow out loss to UGA (though they played reasonably well overall).
Grantham has to be gone at year's end I think, Mullen won't be fired, but they need to win out especially over FSU. The remainder of the schedule is a cake walk except FSU.
Will they be better next season? They better be if Mullen is to make it I think.
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Gary Patterson out at TCU. Our old friend Jerry Kill is the interim.
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Jerry Kill, good coach, good man
rumor was that at one time, Patterson was offered the Nebraska job
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Gary Patterson out at TCU. Our old friend Jerry Kill is the interim.
Gary‘s story is an illustrative one. In this business, it doesn’t end well almost all the time.
if a coach is lucky, he leaves the Fanbase pissed at him and the players abandoned. And most get fired at one point.
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Wasn't Jerry Kill the one that looked like the Minnesota mascot?
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Wow, TCU is anxious to not matter ever again, aren't they?
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Smoke is they want Sonny Dykes, as does Texas Tech, and maybe Virginia Tech. Not bad, for a guy with an overall record of 70-60
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Brian Ferentz is being fired/resigning after desecrating the black and gold flag; Kevin Wilson will replace him. ;) Umm does nepotism work this way?
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A lot of these firings I just don't understand, at all, but I figure the folks who write checks have a WIN NOW OR ELSE concept and drive the bus.
I kind of wonder how many work out for the better, overall. It's been noted for example that Smart at UGA is barely doing better in wins than Richt did, and Smart inherited a pretty loaded team. The Vols of course have been through a wringer, maybe they have their guy now, maybe not.
South Carolina is looking for the next Spurrier, and likely won't find one.
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The Monday After: Florida coach Dan Mullen takes over hottest seat in SEC with Ed Orgeron out at LSU - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/the-monday-after-florida-coach-dan-mullen-takes-over-hottest-seat-in-sec-with-ed-orgeron-out-at-lsu/)
Probably true, but it's not THAT hot, yet. I think folks still view Mullen as a good coach overall, I think Grantham has to go. They aren't going to find anyone better at this point. But they do need to win out to get to 8-4, including a win over FSU. All these teams wanting to WIN NOW and they all can't do it, it's impossible. Some might, and some might find a nugget in the rough.
Miami's Diaz was on the chopping block as well. Fire'em all? The pool of candidates gets stretched.
Then you end up doing a Tennessee or a Texas.
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Smoke is they want Sonny Dykes, as does Texas Tech, and maybe Virginia Tech. Not bad, for a guy with an overall record of 70-60
Whose they?And what are they smoking?Have not followed TCU that closely but Patterson seems to be competent and consistent maybe not a big enough splash.Does TCU consistently have the draw to stay round out the Top 25.I'm guessing with out looking they seem to be the type of progam that loiters in the 20-30 rankings range.This could end like OAM hinted = :-[ .VTech is a team I thought would do better but Justin Fuentes did a great job in Memphis and don't hink he'll be let go just yet
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Wow, TCU is anxious to not matter ever again, aren't they?
There's a reason they're called "the cockroaches."
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Is there some FCS coach who looks prominent or successful? Or further down? Anyone lighting it up down there? And I know it may not translate.
Maybe there is a firey young guy somewhere who merits a shot?
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Firey or Focused would work
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Probably fired Patterson because TCU realizes they can't afford him on G6 conference revenues...
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those guys from youngstown are firey
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Probably fired Patterson because TCU realizes they can't afford him on G6 conference revenues...
Must have been a favorable buy out or just thinking they can do better
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Fire'em all? The pool of candidates gets stretched.
Then you end up doing a Tennessee or a Texas.
Or they could pull a seamless hire as Ohio State seems to do - Thankfully
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I kind of wonder how many work out for the better, overall. It's been noted for example that Smart at UGA is barely doing better in wins than Richt did, and Smart inherited a pretty loaded team. The Vols of course have been through a wringer, maybe they have their guy now, maybe not.
If I'm not mistaken Jimbo Fisher entered the year with the same record as Kevin Sumlin, yet he's still regarded as a major upgrade, a big name and an "obvious target" for LSU (which won't happen for a number of reasons).
Is there some FCS coach who looks prominent or successful? Or further down? Anyone lighting it up down there? And I know it may not translate.
Maybe there is a firey young guy somewhere who merits a shot?
Not FCS, but if LSU isn't going to look at Napier, one of these schools in the market probably should. I think he'd be worth taking a shot with, as much good as it does anybody to project that kind of thing. I think it's pretty impressive what he's done with the Ragin' Cajuns. And yeah, like you said....it may not translate.
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Patterson with LSU athletes seems like a nightmare for other teams, but don't think that will happen.
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I liked what I heard from Mullen… for the most part (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/florida/Article/I-liked-what-I-heard-from-Mullen-for-the-most-part-174313835/)
Paul Finebaum torches Dan Mullens recruiting after Georgia loss (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/florida/Article/Paul-Finebaum-torches-Dan-Mullen-recruiting-after-Georgia-loss-174302684/)
Heat warming a bit on Mullen. Recruiting is an issue for him, I think, but find him an elite QB and they'd be dangerous.
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UTSA and head football coach Jeff Traylor have agreed to a contract extension through 2031, the school announced in a release on Sunday afternoon. The contract is valued at $28 million and he will be paid an average salary of $2.8 million, as well as potential bonuses and an increase in salary pool for his assistant coaches, according to the release.
Traylor is in just his second season at UTSA but is already showing massive progress. In his first season, the Roadrunners went 7-5 and played in the First Responder Bowl, just one year after going 4-8. This season, UTSA is sitting at 8-0 and is currently ranked No. 16 in the country. Traylor commented on the extension in the release.
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If I'm not mistaken Jimbo Fisher entered the year with the same record as Kevin Sumlin, yet he's still regarded as a major upgrade, a big name and an "obvious target" for LSU (which won't happen for a number of reasons).
Not FCS, but if LSU isn't going to look at Napier, one of these schools in the market probably should. I think he'd be worth taking a shot with, as much good as it does anybody to project that kind of thing. I think it's pretty impressive what he's done with the Ragin' Cajuns. And yeah, like you said....it may not translate.
Sumlin caught lightning in a bottle. He used recruits from Mike Sherman, namely on the offensive line, QB, and WR. He did manage to keep the momentum up through 2015 but some how managed to run off two legit 5* QB in the same season. Remember, Kyler Murray started as an Aggie. First Kyle Allen left, and then Kyler left despite being the only legit QB and guaranteed starter on the team.
Sumlin really was ok through 2015/2016. He lucked out getting Trevor Knight onboard in 2016 and we played pretty well through the middle f the season. But then things just fell apart in the 2nd half of the season, just like the year before and the year before that.
Jimbo has built this team from the inside out. He has built a better team with worse talent than we had with Sumlin. His teams have finished strong.
Sumlin lucked out and got a gig with Arizona, I think he coasted another two years.
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If Kirby is about right, and I think he is, you need a recruiting coach before anything else. Why are Bama and OSU so consistently good to great?
I'm curious about Clemson, maybe they caught fire and that pushed up recruiting for them, but now they are laboring, I don't know if temp or not. If a team like Baylor has a couple really good years does their recruiting improve as a result, by a lot?
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If Kirby is about right, and I think he is, you need a recruiting coach before anything else. Why are Bama and OSU so consistently good to great?
I'm curious about Clemson, maybe they caught fire and that pushed up recruiting for them, but now they are laboring, I don't know if temp or not. If a team like Baylor has a couple really good years does their recruiting improve as a result, by a lot?
Clemson always recruited better than you think, and Dabo specializes there.
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UTSA and head football coach Jeff Traylor have agreed to a contract extension through 2031, the school announced in a release on Sunday afternoon. The contract is valued at $28 million and he will be paid an average salary of $2.8 million, as well as potential bonuses and an increase in salary pool for his assistant coaches, according to the release.
Traylor is in just his second season at UTSA but is already showing massive progress. In his first season, the Roadrunners went 7-5 and played in the First Responder Bowl, just one year after going 4-8. This season, UTSA is sitting at 8-0 and is currently ranked No. 16 in the country. Traylor commented on the extension in the release.
2031? Ha
All that matters is the buyout from his side, and if a bigger school wants him, that won’t matter either.
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Well, in 2014 they were 16th, 15th the year before that, 20th in 2012. Then they started being top ten routinely.
I believe if you are not top ten you won't be in the CFP in 2-3 years with few exceptions, but if you get there you might see your numbers improve a lot for a time. Folks complain about how we see the same teams in the CFP each year and we also see the same teams at the top of the 247.
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Well, in 2014 they were 16th, 15th the year before that, 20th in 2012. Then they started being top ten routinely.
I believe if you are not top ten you won't be in the CFP in 2-3 years with few exceptions, but if you get there you might see your numbers improve a lot for a time. Folks complain about how we see the same teams in the CFP each year and we also see the same teams at the top of the 247.
True, but also had too 10 classes in 2008 and 2011.
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If Kirby is about right, and I think he is, you need a recruiting coach before anything else. Why are Bama and OSU so consistently good to great?
Ohio State had such a guy named Bill Conley not to be confused with the stats guy.He was hired by Earle Bruce and was kept on board thru John Cooper's tenure and the 1st 2 yrs of Tressel.It was no secret either he was sent in to seal the deal - could sell sand blasters to the Saudis.This is why Johnny C should have been shown the door long before he was in C-Bus.IMO UM is where tOSU was,the outside perspective has to be changed from not finishing out or meeting objectives to at least splitting with rivals.JH has had 2 complete recruiting cycles,his coaches and players have come and gone.
Lets face it MSU was a trainwreck and Mel Tucker was a late spring time hire and not on anyone's must have list.I'm surprised with such a thin roster anyone is undefeated this late in the season @ MSU.Coaching matters,JH can retire in luxury,I hope they give him an extension.UM could get lucky and find a keeper and make things real intersting
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Does hiring a young HC make a difference to recruits? I know having a great sales guy in the area is important.
Maybe a 40 year old coach resonates better than a 60 year old? I dunno.
Winning makes a difference.
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Dan Mullen's Florida Gators slammed by anonymous SEC assistants: 'They play with zero discipline' (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/florida/Article/Dan-Mullens-Florida-Gators-slammed-by-anonymous-SEC-assistants-They-play-with-zero-discipline-174381702/?fbclid=IwAR3j2Bqw1M6BQqnaTkFqmyL9LJ6Fc2TQzB0NNH1jdqtNtb7lZJXafPJcirc)
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Does hiring a young HC make a difference to recruits? I know having a great sales guy in the area is important.
Maybe a 40 year old coach resonates better than a 60 year old? I dunno.
Winning makes a difference.
Saban just turned 70 didn't he?URBz was no spring chicken.How old is Belichick? I liked Mullen also not sure why he's struggling,assistant coaching definitely is a factor.I'd certainly give him one more year
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the head coach just needs to be respected by the young kids and have a history of winning and putting guys in the NFL
probably need some younger assistants to do the recruiting
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I was speaking of hiring a new coach, not one with an established record like Saban. Maybe one should favor a younger fellow. The HC is the "face" of the team in many ways with recruits. Maybe it doesn't make a difference.
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you might not want the guy on the right as the face of your team, but he's sniffing the top 10 in the rankings
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Gary Patterson out at TCU. Our old friend Jerry Kill is the interim.
https://twitter.com/startelegram/status/1455500612158857225?s=20
https://youtu.be/IW78swzn_Bs
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Sumlin caught lightning in a bottle. He used recruits from Mike Sherman, namely on the offensive line, QB, and WR. He did manage to keep the momentum up through 2015 but some how managed to run off two legit 5* QB in the same season. Remember, Kyler Murray started as an Aggie. First Kyle Allen left, and then Kyler left despite being the only legit QB and guaranteed starter on the team.
Sumlin really was ok through 2015/2016. He lucked out getting Trevor Knight onboard in 2016 and we played pretty well through the middle f the season. But then things just fell apart in the 2nd half of the season, just like the year before and the year before that.
Jimbo has built this team from the inside out. He has built a better team with worse talent than we had with Sumlin. His teams have finished strong.
Sumlin lucked out and got a gig with Arizona, I think he coasted another two years.
Bear in mind I'm not arguing that Jimbo is trash. Only that I don't see a reality that matches his hype, of which he has a ton. Going forward will tell the tale as always, but I do note coming in the results haven't been much different from the last guy.
And I admit it matters to me that he tanked FSU. Much like Urban with Florida, they didn't leave those teams in great shape.
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urban tanked Florida?
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Bear in mind I'm not arguing that Jimbo is trash. Only that I don't see a reality that matches his hype, of which he has a ton. Going forward will tell the tale as always, but I do note coming in the results haven't been much different from the last guy.
And I admit it matters to me that he tanked FSU. Much like Urban with Florida, they didn't leave those teams in great shape.
When Jimbo took over for Bowden FSU was in the dumps. He took them to a very high level, obviously winning the BCS championship. He brought them back into big time football. I don’t know what happened in 2017 except they started the season very highly ranked and lost their highly rated QB in the first matchup with Bama. After that it seemed like the team just kinda fell apart.
But to say that Jimbo is responsible for the downfall of FSU is utter bs. That responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of Taggert and the other coaches who followed. I get having a recruiting drop off but it was reported in the media that one of the reasons why Fisher left is he felt he wasn’t being supported by the AD in the facilities race. He was constantly pushing for better facilities, and going to war with the university over them.
Lots and lots of coaches come in to programs and it’s the same old story. Previous coach left the cupboard bare, lack of conditioning, bad strength coach.
They did it to Slocum when Fran ran the program slap into the ground, they did it to Mack Brown, Urban, on and on. But the thing is that hardly any of these coaches had as bad of records/games and just utter incompetence as Fran/strong/Taggart. Or Hoke, Zook. Take your pick. The dumb penalties, busted plays, lack of awareness, getting the coin toss wrong. This is your tattle tell of a bad staff/coaching. No matter the talent, you can see it just by how a team plays.
it took Jimbo 3 years to get A&M into the top 5, and 4 to Beat Bama. At a place that’s hard to win at.
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Andy Staples was having an interesting conversation on his podcast with Ari Wasserman, who was on the OSU beat when urban was there. Their thought was that It is incorrect to look for coaches who get mid majors or lower power 5 schools to their ceiling. Because all helmet schools can recruit themselves to a certain level. Anyone can walk into Michigan, or Notre Dame, or Florida, and get top 10 to 15 type recruiting classes. But if you are a program that wants to win national championships, you have to be a top three or four team in those classes, and there is little correlation between getting to the ceiling of Mississippi State, and being able to get Florida from 8-4 to 12-0. That you should be looking at guys, who maybe aren't maxing out at that second level, but do have the characteristics you think could recruit like a top three or four program at a helmet school. They pointed to Mel Tucker and Jeff hafley as guys like that. He said that MSU success is what has put Tucker on the radar, but he thinks his potential to be able to recruit with Alabama or Georgia at a helmet school is what should have done it anyway. He thinks Hefley has that same potential
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urban tanked Florida?
LOL
Florida's recruiting classes:
2007: 1st nationally
2008: 5th
2009: 7th
2010: 1st
Urban leaves. Florida hiring a DC as a HC tanked the Gators.
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Andy Staples was having an interesting conversation on his podcast with Ari Wasserman, who was on the OSU beat when urban was there. Their thought was that It is incorrect to look for coaches who get mid majors or lower power 5 schools to their ceiling. Because all helmet schools can recruit themselves to a certain level. Anyone can walk into Michigan, or Notre Dame, or Florida, and get top 10 to 15 type recruiting classes. But if you are a program that wants to win national championships, you have to be a top three or four team in those classes, and there is little correlation between getting to the ceiling of Mississippi State, and being able to get Florida from 8-4 to 12-0. That you should be looking at guys, who maybe aren't maxing out at that second level, but do have the characteristics you think could recruit like a top three or four program at a helmet school. They pointed to Mel Tucker and Jeff hafley as guys like that. He said that MSU success is what has put Tucker on the radar, but he thinks his potential to be able to recruit with Alabama or Georgia at a helmet school is what should have done it anyway. He thinks Hefley has that same potential
Who the HC is is overstated by most ppl. The HC can hire great coaches and he can hire great recruiters (those young guys mentioned above), but rarely does a hire do both well. It's often on a sliding scale, it seems. Okay, I can bring in a bunch of 4 and 5* guys, but I can't coach them up OR I can make All-Americans out of anybody, but my position group is going to have an overall talent level deficit.
A great HC gets that great/lucky combination of the two in the right places and it works. But then it's extremely temporary as your assistants are hired elsewhere.
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You still need that special group of 2-3 players that just change the trajectory of the program. Vince did it for Mack, as did Colt/Shipley. Burrow did it for LSU. Johnny Manziel and Mike Evans almost kind of did it for Sumlin. Deshaun Watson did it for Dabo.
Sometimes teams can have elite talent and just 2-3 busts at QB or other important positions can sink a team. I’m astounded that teams can just play so poorly at the offensive line year after year. You can have the best QB and WR but put them behind a bad offensive line or lose a key player or two and it won’t make any difference.
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or, you can buy talent like Cam Newton or Reggie Bush
and then get caught
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When Jimbo took over for Bowden FSU was in the dumps. He took them to a very high level, obviously winning the BCS championship. He brought them back into big time football. I don’t know what happened in 2017 except they started the season very highly ranked and lost their highly rated QB in the first matchup with Bama. After that it seemed like the team just kinda fell apart.
But to say that Jimbo is responsible for the downfall of FSU is utter bs. That responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of Taggert and the other coaches who followed. I get having a recruiting drop off but it was reported in the media that one of the reasons why Fisher left is he felt he wasn’t being supported by the AD in the facilities race. He was constantly pushing for better facilities, and going to war with the university over them.
This seems generous. Like, I get that stuff is always overhyped, but still.
Like, a team that he inherited "in the dumps" was 7-6, with a first-round QB. The team he left was 5-6, and had to buy a rescheduled win to make the independence bowl. There are many reasons for the problems, but he left a program in sorry shape, even if he inherited it in less sorry shape.
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Under Bowden FSU won double digit games every single year from 1987-2000.
Every single year for 13 years. Two Natl Championships.
After 2000 there is a visible dip. Not much, but now they start having 9 win seasons, then 8 win seasons, then 7 win seasons mixed in with 10 win seasons. Maybe the competition just got better? I know the ACC expanded during that time but I don’t recall anybody else really stepping up.
Jimbo steps in and boom-first ten win season in 6 years. Then 9 wins, then 12, 14, 10, 10 wins. 6 out of seven years they won 10 or more and one BCS championship. I’m betting the recruiting during that time was good, if not great.
I don’t know what happened during 2017. They were playing Bama competitively during the first half until their star QB goes down. They lost 24-7. Not horrible, but not great. 4 of their losses were single digits, and they beat Florida at the swamp.
I always felt that it was a bunch of factors that led to the results that year. Injuries, marital problems, maybe burnout, and infighting with the school/boosters. Not to mention I’m fairly certain he knew he was leaving FSU the first week after the A&M UCLA game. No doubt he had been getting interest early in the season. It was just a matter of time. We made him an offer he couldn’t refuse and gave him the facilities he had been asking for.
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this dude put together a list of 10 possible coaches to replace Frost.
Not sure this guy knows any more than the folks here, but he seems to have done some research
Jeff Monken
Hugh Freeze
Jamey Chadwell
Gus Malzahn
Dave Clawson
Mike Leach
Matt Campbell
Dave Aranda
Bob Stoops - my personal favorite, but the longest shot
Bill O'Brien
https://youtu.be/FlscJqJuftY
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What about NDSU guy?
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LOL
Florida's recruiting classes:
2007: 1st nationally
2008: 5th
2009: 7th
2010: 1st
Urban leaves. Florida hiring a DC as a HC tanked the Gators.
Here's to my point about stars and recruiting. Yes, the HC took a drop after Urban--most people would be downgrades--but he whiffed on a LOT of evals for the players he left you with. Florida was a roster of highly rated guys who turned out not to be worth their regard. Quite a few of those were not "Florida" quality players that Muschamp inherited. It was obvious when watching them. It was obvious in Urban's last year when UF sucked that he had missed on a lot of evals, and people who tell me that's not a major reason he left has a uphill road to climb with me.
I may not be a Florida fan, but for obvious reasons I watch them pretty closely. The players of 2010 who replaced the fantastic 2008 and 2009 teams were clearly, markedly below par with those teams. They built back up talent pretty quickly, but it wasn't the kids Urbz left them with. There's a reason the 2010 Gators were hapless, and it wasn't because Urban suddenly forgot how to coach.
EDIT: Or maybe it was built back up with kids from the final class or two Urban recruited. But somewhere in that string of classes were too many whiffs though. That 2010 roster just didn't have it, and it wasn't in the same way 2007 stepped back between 2006 and 2008. Some of the kids left from 2009 could play, like the Pouncey twin at center and some others. I'm looking at the young roster from that team right now, and there's Dominique Easley, Shariff Floyd, and Jalani Jenkins.....and a bunch of guys who wouldn't see the field much on Urban's great Florida teams.
Or maybe I'm completely wrong. It's hard to think let alone post coherently when working.
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Under Bowden FSU won double digit games every single year from 1987-2000.
Every single year for 13 years. Two Natl Championships.
After 2000 there is a visible dip. Not much, but now they start having 9 win seasons, then 8 win seasons, then 7 win seasons mixed in with 10 win seasons. Maybe the competition just got better? I know the ACC expanded during that time but I don’t recall anybody else really stepping up.
Jimbo steps in and boom-first ten win season in 6 years. Then 9 wins, then 12, 14, 10, 10 wins. 6 out of seven years they won 10 or more and one BCS championship. I’m betting the recruiting during that time was good, if not great.
I don’t know what happened during 2017. They were playing Bama competitively during the first half until their star QB goes down. They lost 24-7. Not horrible, but not great. 4 of their losses were single digits, and they beat Florida at the swamp.
I always felt that it was a bunch of factors that led to the results that year. Injuries, marital problems, maybe burnout, and infighting with the school/boosters. Not to mention I’m fairly certain he knew he was leaving FSU the first week after the A&M UCLA game. No doubt he had been getting interest early in the season. It was just a matter of time. We made him an offer he couldn’t refuse and gave him the facilities he had been asking for.
I mean...whatever you say. Looks to me like Jameis Winston covered up some other problems on that team that FSU never fully recovered from. Bowden was slipping in his final year, obviously. Jimbo provided a shot in the arm. I don't think what he did there was sustainable, and I think FSU's trajectory bears that out.
Same thing happened with Colt at UT. It was "surprising" when UT fell off the map in 2010, but in truth for anybody closely watching, the rot started while McCoy was still there, he and a couple other guys were just able to cover it up and polish the turd.
Having a transcendent, generational player is not a formula for sustained success, imo. The overall team talent has to be there, as does the coaching.
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What about NDSU guy?
let's wait and see if he can beat the SOUTH DAKOTA STATE
JACKRABBITS this weekend
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urban tanked Florida?
Let me rephrase that to something less hyperbolic. He didn't leave them in near as good of shape as he presided over for a while. His last UF team was not pretty. Wasn't even the record, which was 4-4 in conference....it's how they looked on the field. Then suddenly he had to spend more time with his family, for health reasons.
....after which he took the Ohio State job in a year.
It took a minute for Florida to have "Florida" guys on the field again.
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Georgia Southern has hired former USC coach Clay Helton as the Eagles new head coach, the school announced on Tuesday.
Helton, who was fired by the Trojans on Sept. 13, replaces Chad Lunsford, who was fired by the Eagles on Sept. 26, following a 1-3 start to the football season. Helton was 1-1 this season when USC fired him. He went 46-24 overall at USC, where he became permanent head coach in late 2015 after a six-year run as a Trojans assistant.
Helton, who had two years left on his USC contract and was owed more than $10 million at the time of his firing, according to sources, is expected to join the Eagles' program soon to begin recruiting and putting together his staff for the 2022 season.
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PJ Fleck gets a seven year extension in Dinkytown.
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P.J. Fleck signs seven-year contract extension with Minnesota (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/michigan/Article/PJ-Fleck-signs-seven-year-contract-extension-with-Minnesota-174458967/?fbclid=IwAR3ZxVpoq7gz7OpOjAb3fIP-SswhaTrMzMl30RGBa5OG00IPaAu6hh4MzxI)
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I mean...whatever you say. Looks to me like Jameis Winston covered up some other problems on that team that FSU never fully recovered from. Bowden was slipping in his final year, obviously. Jimbo provided a shot in the arm. I don't think what he did there was sustainable, and I think FSU's trajectory bears that out.
Same thing happened with Colt at UT. It was "surprising" when UT fell off the map in 2010, but in truth for anybody closely watching, the rot started while McCoy was still there, he and a couple other guys were just able to cover it up and polish the turd.
Having a transcendent, generational player is not a formula for sustained success, imo. The overall team talent has to be there, as does the coaching.
Sustainable? He did it for 5 years in a row.
(https://i.imgur.com/mrLMTsz.png)
But Hey we all have our opinions. It just gives me a bad taste in my mouth to say that the old coach left the cupboard bare, new guy comes in and blames him, lack of player development, etc. But you can't say that X and Y player did not pan out BECAUSE of the old coach. Maybe things would have turned out differently. There are many cases where players that don't do squat get a new coach, either by transferring or the school changes coaches an voila, they're all world suddenly.
Every coach is responsible for the team they coach, starting with year 1. Sure, they inherited a mess, but at some point they just gonna have to clean it up and roll on. Stoops did it. Urban did it (2x). Some can't do it, like Tom Herman or Mike Sherman.
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Minnesota locks up PJ Fleck with a 7 year extension
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there's an echo
perhaps this is what Fro refers to?
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I think we all think Fleck has done a fine job up there. I think Mark Stoops is a kind of parallel coach at UK. I am not sure who else at a lesser P5 program has done as well, Aranda might be an example.
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Let me rephrase that to something less hyperbolic. He didn't leave them in near as good of shape as he presided over for a while. His last UF team was not pretty. Wasn't even the record, which was 4-4 in conference....it's how they looked on the field. Then suddenly he had to spend more time with his family, for health reasons.
....after which he took the Ohio State job in a year.
It took a minute for Florida to have "Florida" guys on the field again.
I don't think we're too far apart, despite arguing opposing sides of the topic.
UM showed in 2007 that he can't just magically win every game with talent - that talent had to mature and gain experience.
Staring out at UF, he was an immediate upgrade in coaching with an already-talented roster. Zook could recruit! After that 2007 talent matured, 08-09 went 26-2, then Tebow & Co. leave. That 2011 season under UM wasn't surprising for Gators fans. UM is a great HC, but he's not magical. He'd have to reload the roster and if he had stayed, I'm certain those upper-echelon classes would have peaked with 12-13 win seasons.
But he left, and a lesser HC took his place. The players didn't become less talented, they just lacked the combination of great talent + great coaching.
This might be unpopular here, but OSU post-UM has succeeded for one of two reasons:
1 - UM improved his ability to keep the ship sailing with his absence, which would include numerous aspects, OR
2 - OSU doesn't face an LSU, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn circa 2010s that Florida did, post-UM
I'm certain the answer is 1 & 2. Ryan Day still hasn't lost a conference game yet. Says a lot for OSU....doesn't say a lot for the B1G.
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Day might be a little bit better at making it through a Big Ten season without tripping over any of the road apples.
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Muschamp was just bizarre as a HC. I get that a defensive guy is going to focus on the defense and all that, but under him, the offense was designed to service the defense. We don't want to pass, ever. If we pass, NO TURNOVERS, even if it means never throwing downfield. Getting a few first downs and chewing some clock is better than a quick score.
He actively sabbotaged his own offense just to get his defense some secondary boosts.
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What is the read on Mullen these days in Gville?
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In Gville, idk.
But personally, I find the national click-bait vague outlets' stories silly. They're so radical.
Is Mullen's current record and results good enough? No.
But I think there's an obvious fix for the issue: hire better recruiters.
Mullen seems to have the same apathy/arrogance about wooing 18 year old, 5* kids. Similar to Spurrier. But Mullen is no Spurrier.
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Spurrier was a Game Day genius, I don't think I've ever seen his equal. He ran circles around Richt, at South Carolina.
I agree the NOISE about Mullen is 99% noise. Grantham is probably gone. At the start of the season, I viewed Mullen as probably he second best coach in the SEC overall. Maybe he's not, I dunno.
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(https://247sports.com/college/georgia/LongFormArticle/College-Football-Playoff-rankings-Everything-Kirk-Herbstreit-said-on-ESPNs-reveal-show-174418688/)Dan Mullens Florida future probably not at immediate risk after recruiting controversy (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Dan-Mullens-Florida-future-probably-not-at-immediate-risk-after-recruiting-controversy-174407722/)
Duh, I'm amused this gets any attention really, but it's a sign of how controversies stimulate clicks.
Mullen won't be fired this year. They do need to show some progress, finishing 9-4 would help, and next year ...
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https://twitter.com/ChrisLongKSTP/status/1455962452861112324?s=20
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Akron fired coach Tom Arth on Thursday, a day after the Zips fell to 2-7 on the season.
Arth went just 3-24 in two-plus seasons at the school. Associate head coach and inside linebackers coach Oscar Rodriguez will serve as interim coach for the final three games.
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Akron fired coach Tom Arth on Thursday, a day after the Zips fell to 2-7 on the season.
Arth went just 3-24 in two-plus seasons at the school. Associate head coach and inside linebackers coach Oscar Rodriguez will serve as interim coach for the final three games.
I'm less worried about Mel getting poached by USC or LSU than I am his assistants getting poached by a Group of 5 head coaching job
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https://twitter.com/ChrisLongKSTP/status/1455962452861112324?s=20
I wish someone would start a rumor to get my employer to increase my salary 12 fold
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I certainly understand
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I wish someone would start a rumor to get my employer to increase my salary 12 fold
BTW I think his base increased BY $400K to $5.1M, not FROM $400K to $5.1M. I.e. it was $4.7M prior.
At least that's the way I read it.
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Dan Lanning's rise from humble beginnings to a top target on the coaching carousel (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Georgia-Football-Dan-Lanning-a-top-coaching-candidate-2022-174447967/?fbclid=IwAR08jwcfbCTRh2M67sXEuRwcurAbfVuWSZ6ZCEkOr0tab_xhjrEz25H2ooI)
Assistant DC at UGA is probably being considered.
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BTW I think his base increased BY $400K to $5.1M, not FROM $400K to $5.1M. I.e. it was $4.7M prior.
At least that's the way I read it.
That makes more sense.
Particularly because I'm guessing no coordinators in the Big Ten are making just $400k a year anymore, let alone head coaches
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He wouldn't have had much of a boat for $400K/year (so to speak).
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He wouldn't have had much of a boat for $400K/year (so to speak).
I mean if you have a boat that cost more than that that you have to row, it better be Ben Hur chained to an oar style
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I wish someone would start a rumor to get my employer to increase my salary 12 fold
I interviewed for a job with another company a few years ago. I’m fairly certain that my superiors found out about it because I was called into the office one day and given a raise out of the blue. A good raise. I still would have left, but I didn’t get the job. It wasn’t too long before I took another position with my company so I guess it all worked out.
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https://youtu.be/Q8bYrkXof_s
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I interviewed for a job with another company a few years ago. I’m fairly certain that my superiors found out about it because I was called into the office one day and given a raise out of the blue. A good raise. I still would have left, but I didn’t get the job. It wasn’t too long before I took another position with my company so I guess it all worked out.
I interviewed for a job a decade ago, but they were going to put me in house with a client, who they did not identify in the interview. After they gave me the green light, the client I was going to go in house with wanted to have a sit down. I worked in an office park about 15 miles outside of Pittsburgh, and the law firm I interviewed with was downtown. They sent me the address of the client I was having the sit down with...they were in the adjacent suite to my current job. I was 26, and trying to start a family, and I've never been more terrified.
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https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/32355679/dead-money (https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/32355679/dead-money)
(https://a.espncdn.com/prod/styles/pagetype/otl/2021/211004_cfb_dead-money/images/inline1_illo.jpg)
Chasing glory and championships is expensive in college sports. Just ask the biggest spenders in the FBS, who have combined to dole out more than $205 million in dead money since 2010. If your last mistake is indeed your best teacher, then these schools have failed time and time again.
Auburn
$31.2M
Talk about being all-in. More than $18 million (and counting) has been paid to Gene Chizik and Gus Malzahn.
Nebraska
$25.8M
Bo Pelini and Mike Riley were fired within a year of extensions. The cost for those mistakes: about $12.8 million.
Texas
$21.5M
Everything is bigger in Texas, including buyouts. The total doesn't even include $24 million owed to Tom Herman and staff.
Ole Miss
$20.4M
The Rebels spent $8.7 million to move on from football coaches Houston Nutt and Matt Luke; letting Hugh Freeze go didn't cost a penny.
Kansas
$20M
The Jayhawks keep trying and paying. Firing Turner Gill, Charlie Weis and David Beaty cost over $14.4 million.
Arizona State
$18.7M
The Sun Devils forked over more than $11 million to football coach Todd Graham and more than $2.5 million to basketball coach Herb Sendek.
South Carolina
$18.6M
The Gamecocks more than doubled Florida's contribution to Will Muschamp's retirement fund with a $12.9 million buyout.
Oregon
$16.5M
Thank goodness for Nike. Showing Mike Bellotti and Mark Helfrich the door cost the Ducks more than $12 million.
Texas A&M
$16.4M
The Aggies paid just over $9 million to football coaches Kevin Sumlin, Mike Sherman and Dennis Franchione, plus $2.9 million to men's hoops coach Billy Kennedy.
UCLA
$15.5M
Football coach Jim Mora and men's basketball coaches Ben Howland and Steve Alford collected $15.5 million, yet not a single dollar went to assistants.
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Dan Mullen criticism hits new low after Florida loss at South Carolina (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/florida/LongFormArticle/Dan-Mullen-criticism-hits-new-low-after-Florida-loss-at-South-Carolina--174737016/?fbclid=IwAR03bwpiZof2ZPXhW-k3aeL3_oKigxcbD_2_q9UhO5QVmAtf1LmdT47FqaQ)
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Gators made changes, not at the top, but they fired Grantham, and he agreed to depart. Something is amiss in that program beyond a few coaches.
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Interesting. Texas Tech hires Baylor assistant Joey McGuire as head coach, where he will start immediately, though not actually be head coach until next year.
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Interesting. Texas Tech hires Baylor assistant Joey McGuire as head coach, where he will start immediately, though not actually be head coach until next year.
Some writer I like said he thinks this is a pretty good hire, and he’s pretty plugged in. So that’s something
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Some writer I like said he thinks this is a pretty good hire, and he’s pretty plugged in. So that’s something
Apparently the guy is a Texas high school coaching legend, for what that is worth
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Frost guts his offensive staff after being told he’ll get next year. Pretty unsurprising.
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Apparently the guy is a Texas high school coaching legend, for what that is worth
Texas is so big, there's gotta be thousands of those by now.
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One of the parts of Nebraska head coach Scott Frost returning in 2022 was a restructured contract.
On Monday night, Husker athletic director Trev Alberts added some details to that news during an appearance on Sports Nightly.
Alberts said there are still some details to work out, but Frost will have his annual salary reduced in 2022 from $5 million to $4 million. In addition, Alberts said Monday that Frost’s buyout will drop from $15 million for next season to $7.5 million. Frost would have been due $20 million if let go before January 2022.
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I dunno Trev never struck me as numbers guy
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Aw yes, the restructured contract.
The Big Ten way...
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worked so far for Harbaugh
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Yes, he totally didn't barf up another game to Sparty.
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8-1, 5-1 in conference with a barfed up loss to a West team would get Frost another 5 years
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True, but Harbaugh's problem was that he was winning 10 games, just not against his rivals.
That wasn't fixed.
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Harbaugh had a problem last season, when his contract was shredded
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I doubt it was restructured over a weird covid year. Much more likely that they restructured it due to what their primary objection to him has always been, which was his inability to win big games.
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https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1458269141643640832?s=20
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Well f*** me.
Jimbo's name keeps cropping up from decent sources. It's pretty well known that Woody would probably hire him if 1) allowed, and 2) Jimbo wanted the job--he didn't previously. I would've sworn that #1 was a no-go and that no way in hell would Woody be allowed to even pitch him....partly due to some of those same sources.
I don't even know how to process an LSU power structure wherein the AD is not a puppet. If they let the guy do his job.....you got me, that's uncharted territory.
...none of this is to say Jimbo is interested in the job, and fwiw, my personal feeling is he almost certainly isn't. But it's "interesting" that he could potentially be offered.
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Well f*** me.
Jimbo's name keeps cropping up from decent sources. It's pretty well known that Woody would probably hire him if 1) allowed, and 2) Jimbo wanted the job--he didn't previously. I would've sworn that #1 was a no-go and that no way in hell would Woody be allowed to even pitch him....partly due to some of those same sources.
I don't even know how to process an LSU power structure wherein the AD is not a puppet. If they let the guy do his job.....you got me, that's uncharted territory.
...none of this is to say Jimbo is interested in the job, and fwiw, my personal feeling is he almost certainly isn't. But it's "interesting" that he could potentially be offered.
When LSU beats A&M in the final game, you think they'll still want Jimbo?
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I mean, yes, Jimbo is the apple of Woody's eye.
As for me....pffft.....my feelings about Jimbo are pretty well documented. We could do a lot worse because there's a definite floor with him, but I can't say I care much for what I perceive as the ceiling, and I'd rather take a shot on something else.
But it doesn't matter for your point. LSU won't beat A&M, they can't move the ball on a competent front, of which A&M certainly has.
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I mean, yes, Jimbo is the apple of Woody's eye.
As for me....pffft.....my feelings about Jimbo are pretty well documented. We could do a lot worse because there's a definite floor with him, but I can't say I care much for what I perceive as the ceiling, and I'd rather take a shot on something else.
But it doesn't matter for your point. LSU won't beat A&M, they can't move the ball on a competent front, of which A&M certainly has.
Eh. All the SEC West teams look about the same to me. Maybe even including Alabama, this season. Y'all have as decent a shot at winning, as losing.
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I agree about losing to LSU. I think there is still a good chance of that. Our offense has played inconsistent all year, and the defense has allowed a lot of points at times. Plus, we’re playing in Baton Rouge in Coach O’s last game.
Can LSU really pay Jimbo $11 MM per season? We’ve got him at $9 MM, 2nd to Saban only. So are they willing to pay him more than Saban?
I trust Jimbo completely. He’s the right coach for us, and he’s winning at a place that hasn’t been easy to win at. He’s recruiting lights out, with top tier facilities, in a state and region that is known for producing top talent.
To top it off, there’s much less pressure to win here. If he even makes it to the playoff at least once every 3-4 years he’ll keep his job. If he finishes in the top ten, he’ll keep his job. And if he finishes top 5, he gets a raise.
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Jimbo was at one of the top jobs in the country in Florida State and he left them for A&M. I doubt he's going to leave A&M for LSU.
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I don’t disagree with you about FSU except that Jimbo loudly complained that he was not getting the support from the university with regards to facilities and other things. Add to that a certain amount of marital issues and maybe he just needed a fresh start. His friend Woodward lured him here, but now he’s settled in and very comfortable.
Would he really leave? I’d like to think not, and I’d hate to lose him. I just don’t see it happening.
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Jimbo was at one of the top jobs in the country in Florida State and he left them for A&M. I doubt he's going to leave A&M for LSU.
wouldn't this beg to be the same deal
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One more thing. He’s got a chance to make something here that he can’t do anywhere else. Alabama will always be thought of as the Bear, and then Saban. FSU will always be Bobby Bowden. 3 coaches have won championships at LSU in 20 years. Texas has Darrel Royal. Oklahoma has Switzer and Stoops.
Fisher can be The Guy here. It’s basically his book to write. The last guy to win a championship here was Homer Norton in 1939, and nobody even knows who that guy was, not even Aggies.
We’re not some third rate school in some second class conference. There’s no reason you can’t win here. Yes, he can go to LSU and win a bunch and probably win easier but he’ll just be one of many coaches whose succeeded there.
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One more thing. He’s got a chance to make something here that he can’t do anywhere else. Alabama will always be thought of as the Bear, and then Saban. FSU will always be Bobby Bowden. 3 coaches have won championships at LSU in 20 years. Texas has Darrel Royal. Oklahoma has Switzer and Stoops.
Fisher can be The Guy here. It’s basically his book to write. The last guy to win a championship here was Homer Norton in 1939, and nobody even knows who that guy was, not even Aggies.
We’re not some third rate school in some second class conference. There’s no reason you can’t win here. Yes, he can go to LSU and win a bunch and probably win easier but he’ll just be one of many coaches whose succeeded there.
This is a lovely sentiment bestowed upon a man who I highly doubt aligns closely to it. But as a cynical person, I appreciate someone deciding not to be cynical.
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This is a lovely sentiment bestowed upon a man who I highly doubt aligns closely to it. But as a cynical person, I appreciate someone deciding not to be cynical.
you said that much better than I could have
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UConn has hired former UCLA and NFL coach Jim Mora to be its next football coach, athletic director David Benedict announced Thursday.
Mora and UConn have agreed to a five-year contract in which he will make $1.5 million in the first season and could earn another $200,000 in annual performance incentives. He will begin his head-coaching duties Nov. 28 after serving as an assistant coach for the rest of the 2021 season, which will allow him to recruit.
"This program is loaded with potential, and I look forward to getting to know the student-athletes on the team and am eager to get to work!" Mora said in a statement.
Mora, who is 59, last coached in 2017, his final season at UCLA. He went 46-30 with the Bruins before being fired in November 2017. ESPN hired Mora as a college football analyst in 2018.
UConn announced in September that Randy Edsall would step down as coach. Edsall went 6-32 in his second stint as Huskies coach after guiding the program to two Big East titles and a Fiesta Bowl appearance during his first run from 1999 to 2010. This season, the Huskies are 1-8, with their only win coming against Yale, an FCS team from the Ivy League.
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This is a lovely sentiment bestowed upon a man who I highly doubt aligns closely to it. But as a cynical person, I appreciate someone deciding not to be cynical.
Then it’s about money. Can LSU outbid us ?
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Sounds like MSU and Tucker may announce an extension soon, if not this week
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Sounds like MSU and Tucker may announce an extension soon, if not this week
that's huge news for MSU. I had him pegged for NFL/LSU.
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Then it’s about money. Can LSU outbid us ?
Maybe.
Top revenue producing college football teams fiscal year 2018-2019 were;
1) Texas - $156 million
2) Georgia - $123 million
3) Michigan - $122 million
4) Notre Dame - $116 million
5) Ohio State- $115 million
6. Penn State - $100 million
7. Auburn - $95 million
8. Oklahoma - $94.8 million
9. Alabama - $94.6 million
10. Nebraska - $94.3 million
11. LSU - $92 million
12. Tennessee - $91 million
13. Wisconsin - $90 million
14. Florida - $85 million
15. Washington - $84 million
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that's huge news for MSU. I had him pegged for NFL/LSU.
just because he signs an extension, doesn't mean he won't be plucked for another job
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Jimbo was at one of the top jobs in the country in Florida State and he left them for A&M. I doubt he's going to leave A&M for LSU.
You must have missed all the "FSU is a dumpster fire behind the scenes" stories.
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Maybe.
Top revenue producing college football teams fiscal year 2018-2019 were;
1) Texas - $156 million
2) Georgia - $123 million
3) Michigan - $122 million
4) Notre Dame - $116 million
5) Ohio State- $115 million
6. Penn State - $100 million
7. Auburn - $95 million
8. Oklahoma - $94.8 million
9. Alabama - $94.6 million
10. Nebraska - $94.3 million
11. LSU - $92 million
12. Tennessee - $91 million
13. Wisconsin - $90 million
14. Florida - $85 million
15. Washington - $84 million
I've seen different lists. Most have Texas #1 and A&M #2, each over $200 million.
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in the lone star state
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just because he signs an extension, doesn't mean he won't be plucked for another job
Old,bitter,drunken Fearless just a stirrin' up the pot
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it has happened
just sayin
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just because he signs an extension, doesn't mean he won't be plucked for another job
I'm assuming it comes with an increased buyout
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that's huge news for MSU. I had him pegged for NFL/LSU.
Sounds like it is in the $7 million a year range, with escalators over $8 million
https://www.audacy.com/971theticket/sports/michigan-state-university/mel-tucker-to-sign-long-term-extension-with-michigan-state?utm_campaign=www.audacy.com%252F971theticket&utm_content=1636665446&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_term=WXYT-FM
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that's huge news for MSU. I had him pegged for NFL/LSU.
If he ran the table even after Purdue I thought so
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I'm assuming it comes with an increased buyout
yup, buying protection, doesn't mean USC couldn't buy it out
just good sense for the AD in East Lansing
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Sounds like MSU and Tucker may announce an extension soon, if not this week
lolz, that would make me happy for no other reason than to frustrate Tate, for whom Tucker is his #1.
1) a university president should butt out
2) anybody not butting out should hire based on qualifications, not the ethnicity of a candidate.
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in the lone star state
Texas A&M remains the SEC's revenue king, and the conference continued to reign supreme over college sports' financial arms race during the 2018-19 fiscal year. The Aggies' $212.7 million in total operating revenue for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2019, ranked second nationally behind Texas ($223.9 million).Jul 16, 2020
(https://i.imgur.com/jEc5uWu.png)
How SEC athletic departments ranked in total revenue for 2018-19 fiscal year - Knoxville News Sentinel (https://www.knoxnews.com/story/sports/college/university-of-tennessee/football/2020/07/16/sec-athletics-finances-texas-am-georgia-alabama-tennessee-vols-ncaa/5442712002/)
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lolz, that would make me happy for no other reason than to frustrate Tate, for whom Tucker is his #1.
1) a university president should butt out
2) anybody not butting out should hire based on qualifications, not the ethnicity of a candidate.
Tucker is legit.
MSU was a dumpster fire when he took that thing over. Year one he beats Michigan in their own house. Year 2 he beats Michigan again and has a Heisman candidate RB and his team in the top 10.
He would kick ass and take names at LSU.
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Texas A&M remains the SEC's revenue king, and the conference continued to reign supreme over college sports' financial arms race during the 2018-19 fiscal year. The Aggies' $212.7 million in total operating revenue for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2019, ranked second nationally behind Texas ($223.9 million).Jul 16, 2020
(https://i.imgur.com/jEc5uWu.png)
How SEC athletic departments ranked in total revenue for 2018-19 fiscal year - Knoxville News Sentinel (https://www.knoxnews.com/story/sports/college/university-of-tennessee/football/2020/07/16/sec-athletics-finances-texas-am-georgia-alabama-tennessee-vols-ncaa/5442712002/)
This is revenue from the entire athletic department- baseball, basketball, women’s who gives a shit sports- not from the football programs alone- which is the list I posted initially.
But yeah I guess your point stands- A&M AD has plenty of money to play around with.
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You must have missed all the "FSU is a dumpster fire behind the scenes" stories.
I guess I did miss those stories.
Florida State should be way better than they are. They play in a conference that is tissue paper soft in the ACC, any elite coach with a pulse could dominate that conference yearly almost right away.
And they are large state school with great tradition of winning in the most football talent rich state in the US- and that state also borders Georgia, a state that produces a ton of high quality football talent. They also border Alabama and very near to Mississippi and Louisiana, three states that produce very high amount of quality high school football talent per capita. Not to mention Florida is very near the Carolinas- which as of recently have been producing more and more high quality talent.
FSU should be a dominant program.
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I feel the same way
FSU has no reason to suck
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I guess I did miss those stories.
Florida State should be way better than they are. They play in a conference that is tissue paper soft in the ACC, any elite coach with a pulse could dominate that conference yearly almost right away.
And they are large state school with great tradition of winning in the most football talent rich state in the US- and that state also borders Georgia, a state that produces a ton of high quality football talent. They also border Alabama and very near to Mississippi and Louisiana, three states that produce very high amount of quality high school football talent per capita. Not to mention Florida is very near the Carolinas- which as of recently have been producing more and more high quality talent.
FSU should be a dominant program.
I once knew a lot about football, 50 years ago. Do you think I should apply?
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I once knew a lot about football, 50 years ago. Do you think I should apply?
You can’t be any worse than the coach they have right now. I say go for it.
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Then it’s about money. Can LSU outbid us ?
Money, opportunity, general feel.
Like, he left FSU as much as anything because he ran it into a bad spot, and someone offered all the money and resources to let him get a fresh start and not have to pull out of that ditch. Those fresh starts are often worth a lot (plus money).
His A&M spot is interesting. He's delivered two of the pieces that get A&M to where it wants to be, but each has a hint of fool's gold to it. Which doesn't matter if you're Wisconsin or something, but at some point matters to a team that thinks its as good as it does (unless A&M expectations are lower than I think)
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Tucker is legit.
MSU was a dumpster fire when he took that thing over. Year one he beats Michigan in their own house. Year 2 he beats Michigan again and has a Heisman candidate RB and his team in the top 10.
He would kick ass and take names at LSU.
I agree, and if I thought he wanted to be a college football lifer I would have been more nervous. But I think jumping to LSU probably set him back getting an NFL job. If he can sustain eight or nine win seasons at MSU, he can likely get an NFL job whenever he wants
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This is revenue from the entire athletic department- baseball, basketball, women’s who gives a shit sports- not from the football programs alone- which is the list I posted initially.
But yeah I guess your point stands- A&M AD has plenty of money to play around with.
I don’t know how they count it from what sports but I feel pretty confident that the vast majority of it comes from football, just like all the other schools.
Either way we ought to be able to outbid LSU if it comes down to it.
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Money, opportunity, general feel.
Like, he left FSU as much as anything because he ran it into a bad spot, and someone offered all the money and resources to let him get a fresh start and not have to pull out of that ditch. Those fresh starts are often worth a lot (plus money).
His A&M spot is interesting. He's delivered two of the pieces that get A&M to where it wants to be, but each has a hint of fool's gold to it. Which doesn't matter if you're Wisconsin or something, but at some point matters to a team that thinks its as good as it does (unless A&M expectations are lower than I think)
He left FSU with a 6-6 record his final season with several close losses. Hardly a dumpster fire. You can’t lay blame on Fisher for the last 4 years of piss poor football.
Fools gold being a championship winning coach? I don’t really follow you. what should we expect from a coach? We’ve played well, beaten a number one team, probably will play in a NY6 bowl. Winning big at A&M is hard. Most of our fans understand this.
Fishers A&M teams have looked as good as any at A&M since the early 90’s. He’s 3-0 in bowls with an Orange bowl win. We’ve finished with our best ranking in 80 years. I can assure you our fans are hungry to win. Expectations are sky high, but grounded in the fact that our record over the last 20 years is piss poor.
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Fisher supported Jamies Winston when he was accused of sexual abuse, rather than maintaining a neutral stance and allowing the investigatory process play out. It turned out okay for Fisher, but it really was a mistake to stand by your player before an investigation concluded. That could have played out terribly, and put Fisher in a hole, that he could not have recovered from. FSU ended up almost $1M to the complaining witness after Winston became a pro. I don't know how much Winston paid.
If you are the head coach you cannot take a position in favor of a player over a student without compelling facts. There were facts, but they came from Winston's roommates. This was not a gentile situation, at all. That said, otherwise I support the Seminoles. I don't support BS.
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Fisher supported Jamies Winston when he was accused of sexual abuse, rather than maintaining a neutral stance and allowing the investigatory process play out. It turned out okay for Fisher, but it really was a mistake to stand by your player before an investigation concluded. That could have played out terribly, and put Fisher in a hole, that he could not have recovered from. FSU ended up almost $1M to the complaining witness after Winston became a pro. I don't know how much Winston paid.
If you are the head coach you cannot take a position in favor of a player over a student without compelling facts. There were facts, but they came from Winston's roommates. This was not a gentile situation, at all. That said, otherwise I support the Seminoles. I don't support BS.
Can’t say Fisher did anything any other coach wouldn’t do in supporting his star Heisman, #1 overall NFL draft pick QB.
When you’re like REALLY good at football- coaches tend to support you almost no matter what you do. Ray Lewis may have killed two guys- at the very worst he either murdered or was involved in assisting in a double murder- and at best he participated in covering up the murders- and dude was back on that field making tackles like a champ in no time. You can bet your asshole if he wasn’t one of the 5 or 6 greatest Linebackers in the history of football he wouldn’t have been back out on that field. If he was some average player named Ray Louis the Ravens would’ve cut his ass as soon as they found out he got arrested.
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if the coach does his own quick investigation, as is always the case, and he truly believes his player is innocent, the coach should stand by the player.
BUT, coach has to be certain he has the facts correct and isn't being duped by the player and his friends because, it could end his career.
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Sounds like Jimmy Lake getting the mercy blade at Washington. Washington, LSU, USC now open.
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Sounds like Jimmy Lake getting the mercy blade at Washington. Washington, LSU, USC now open.
Washington is a way better job than people realize.
Wouldn't shock me to see Florida open up either if they shit the bed vs Missouri or Florida State. Mullen is hanging on by a thread there.
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Kansas went for a real head coach this time. Lance Leipold is developing players and teaching them how to win. Another Wisconsin Whitewater alum who learned to win games and is now teaching others. Nearly knocked off Oklahoma, and this weekend defeated smaller fry Texas.
He won national championships 6 years out of 8 at Whitewater
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He and Chris Creighton were my 2a and 2b behind Luke Fickel, when Dantonio retired. I've been pleasantly surprised by Tucker. My only concern with Leipold,was his age.
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It feels like it SHOULD be a good job, but only one coach has won there in the past two decades
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Sounds like Jimmy Lake getting the mercy blade at Washington. Washington, LSU, USC now open.
Is that because of Lake dragging one of his players away from a potential unsportsmanlike conduct foul in the Oregon game?
Washington's problem is that their fans still think that it's 1992 and they're going to be in the MNC hunt every year. That job is actually quite similar to the Minnesota job (urban campus in a pro town, new stadium), except the Pac-12 is a sham without Southern Cal dominating the other division.
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It feels like it SHOULD be a good job, but only one coach has won there in the past two decades
I am sure the pay is good at KU, but it is a not a good FBS job, unless you go there to collect you final big paychecks before retirement.
If you wanted Lance Leipold for MSU, you were light years ahead of the rest of the pack.
The top teams in D-III have extremely high quality coaching. The FBS has not figured this out.
Lance Leipold needs assistants who can recruit at this level, if he does not already have them, and leave the rest to him.
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I am sure the pay is good at KU, but it is a not a good FBS job, unless you go there to collect you final big paychecks before retirement.
If you wanted Lance Leipold for MSU, you were light years ahead of the rest of the pack.
The top teams in D-III have extremely high quality coaching. The FBS has not figured this out.
Lance Leipold needs assistants who can recruit at this level, if he does not already have them, and leave the rest to him.
That was in reference to Washington, not Kansas.
And Leipold was at Buffalo already when MSU was looking. He wasn't at UWW still
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Florida football in 'wait and see' mode with Dan Mullen (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Florida-football-in-wait-and-see-mode-with-Dan-Mullen-175397878/?fbclid=IwAR1vynkgv93Fu7ZHgcbnzwtkhVG5cIzK_MuOp0f-ofVUc_kkkSV05yzjrA8)
One Gators insider noted over the weekend that Florida is currently in "wait and see" mode with Mullen and no final decision has been made on his future.
"A whole lot of speculation about Dan Mullen's future at Florida this morning but multiple sources (boosters and athletic department folks) I spoke with last night & this morning say it's still "wait and see." Florida has 2 games left, inc. FSU, & they expect Mullen to coach both," Saturday Down South's Neil Blackmon tweeted Sunday (https://twitter.com/nwblackmon/status/1459905667683213322).
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Tom Allen will be around for the next couple years but there's several offensive assistants at IU that need to go, first and foremost, Nick Sheridan.
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Normally, we'd think Florida as a shoe in to beat Mizzou and FSU, but this isn't a normal time for them, and they might well not, which apparently would mean Mullen would be tossed to the side, something unthinkable really a few months back, even a few weeks back. Mizzou is not very good of course, and FSU started out 0-4 with a loss to "JVST" in that mix, and is 4-2 since.
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Tom Allen will be around for the next couple years but there's several offensive assistants at IU that need to go, first and foremost, Nick Sheridan.
never got the hype with him- or Scot Loeffler. Both seem like definition of mediocre coaches to me.
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Tom Allen seems to have the Hoosiers playing much better the past couple seasons, and then this season with high expectations, just crapped out
I wouldn't even warm up his seat if I were a Hoosier
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The offense wasn't great last year. The O-line has been really bad the last two years and that coach definitely needs to go. They got bailed out last year a lot with Penix and Fryfogle having great years. Stevie Scott always found a way to fall forward for a few yards at a time too. They were constantly working with short fields as well as they forced a huge number of turnovers. Now that those factors have been removed or negated the offensive warts have truly come to the forefront.
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not all turnovers are lucky, but some are. Can really influence wins and losses.
offense seems difficult for most teams unless they have a very good O-line and a very good QB
especially in the defensive minded Big 10 and SEC SEC SEC
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not all turnovers are lucky, but some are. Can really influence wins and losses.
offense seems difficult for most teams unless they have a very good O-line and a very good QB
especially in the defensive minded Big 10 and SEC SEC SEC
That's what I tried to point out about Indiana's 2020 record. They not only had a very high turnover rate and a very positive turnover margin, but those numbers were uncharacteristic of Indiana in the Tom Allen era.
And those turnovers really DID affect their 2020 W-L record. Their talent level didn't really predict going 6-1 in the B1G, after all.
I get that some defensive schemes can create more turnovers, but there was no evidence that this was scheme-based for the Hoosiers.
Therefore I suggested that their turnovers were likely to regress to the mean, and that their W-L would as well.
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That's what I tried to point out about Indiana's 2020 record. They not only had a very high turnover rate and a very positive turnover margin, but those numbers were uncharacteristic of Indiana in the Tom Allen era.
And those turnovers really DID affect their 2020 W-L record. Their talent level didn't really predict going 6-1 in the B1G, after all.
I get that some defensive schemes can create more turnovers, but there was no evidence that this was scheme-based for the Hoosiers.
Therefore I suggested that their turnovers were likely to regress to the mean, and that their W-L would as well.
I think there are two things at play. On the one hand, turnovers did play a big role in inflating the record of the 2020 Hoosiers.
That said, one somewhat reliable advanced stat that puts considerably less weight on turnovers had IU as the No. 26 team in terms of play quality last year. It's at 76 this year.
So the team is playing notably worse AND had the turnover luck flip.
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The so-called "Law of Averages" isn't a law, and is wrong.
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I think there are two things at play. On the one hand, turnovers did play a big role in inflating the record of the 2020 Hoosiers.
That said, one somewhat reliable advanced stat that puts considerably less weight on turnovers had IU as the No. 26 team in terms of play quality last year. It's at 76 this year.
So the team is playing notably worse AND had the turnover luck flip.
the QB play is much worse than last year
probably the difference from #26 to #76
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The so-called "Law of Averages" isn't a law, and is wrong.
Obviously. Which is why I said my prediction was that the Hoosiers were "likely to" regress to the mean, not that it's some kind of iron-clad law that they must.
As has been said, "The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent."
IU could have had another full year of outlier turnovers. But it's not a smart prediction.
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The mean is always (nearly) the more likely.
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Programs like IU tend to only peak for a single season. They lack the talent and depth to maintain it for any amount of time.
Penix returned, but everyone didn't. UNC was a similar case this year, too. Preseason top 15 because the sexy returning QB, but all his toys left.
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Programs like IU tend to only peak for a single season. They lack the talent and depth to maintain it for any amount of time.
Particularly when your generational QB talent tries to return from his second season ending injury...only to apparently suffer a third, without ever being 100%
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Programs like IU tend to only peak for a single season. They lack the talent and depth to maintain it for any amount of time.
Yup.
Particularly when your generational QB talent tries to return from his second season ending injury...only to apparently suffer a third, without ever being 100%
And Yup.
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might be a sign they are going all in on Cristobal.
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Programs like IU tend to only peak for a single season. They lack the talent and depth to maintain it for any amount of time.
Penix returned, but everyone didn't. UNC was a similar case this year, too. Preseason top 15 because the sexy returning QB, but all his toys left.
They won 8 the year before, were one big blown lead from 9. Maybe IU returns to the doldrums. Maybe Allen returns it. Teams like IU, even when they have a solid floor, also tend to have things go super wrong in bursts.
As for the toys leaving, they returned three of the top four pass target. Did lose the only back they used. Interestingly only lost two of the top-five linemen, and the two new starters averaged at least 36 snaps a game last year. So the "everyone didn't return" theory doesn't hole much water. They lost a nice slot and a fun tailback who averaged 3.6 YPC.
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They won 8 the year before, were one big blown lead from 9. Maybe IU returns to the doldrums. Maybe Allen returns it. Teams like IU, even when they have a solid floor, also tend to have things go super wrong in bursts.
As for the toys leaving, they returned three of the top four pass target. Did lose the only back they used. Interestingly only lost two of the top-five linemen, and the two new starters averaged at least 36 snaps a game last year. So the "everyone didn't return" theory doesn't hole much water. They lost a nice slot and a fun tailback who averaged 3.6 YPC.
And the defense?
WOW, my preseason mag says 9 returning starters.
But this supports my point that IU-level programs peak for a year and fall. Even with returning production. It just suggests there are other reasons, too....including your point that they overachieved last year.
The bottom line is these programs can't sustain it, which makes them such programs.
2019 Minnesota.....2018 N'Western......they have magical seasons because their base line is....not magical. And the magic never seems to sustain.
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might be a sign they are going all in on Cristobal.
That would be interesting,does anyone want to see the Canes rise from the ashes?
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That would be interesting,does anyone want to see the Canes rise from the ashes?
I don't especially, but if they went 8-4 more consistently it would be OK I think. The ACC needs a few more half decent teams. I doubt Wake can get on a real run. UNC or UVA could but probably won't. Boston College could be pretty decent consistently.
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Virginia Tech cans Justin Fuente.
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That would be interesting,does anyone want to see the Canes rise from the ashes?
hell no
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Virginia Tech cans Justin Fuente.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32643652/justin-fuente-virginia-tech-hokies-football-coach
Tough call,Blacksburg is a beautiful venue with passionette fans and shouldn't have a problem drawing talent.He did a decent job in Memphis.That would be a good landing spot for Fickell if he's seriously looking.But I thought East Lansing was too but mel has straightened things out
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How many P5 openings are we going to see this year? Guess? I'll over under at 7.
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Does Mullen beat FSU???
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Does Mullen beat FSU???
I think there is some doubt they will beat Mizzou, FSU > Mizzou. They might win two shoot outs though and save Mullen. I'm not sure of course his career hinges on two wins, even if they win both there are "areas of concern". Duh.
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Nope on the Canes.
They need to move home games to Marlins Park first.
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And the defense?
WOW, my preseason mag says 9 returning starters.
But this supports my point that IU-level programs peak for a year and fall. Even with returning production. It just suggests there are other reasons, too....including your point that they overachieved last year.
The bottom line is these programs can't sustain it, which makes them such programs.
2019 Minnesota.....2018 N'Western......they have magical seasons because their base line is....not magical. And the magic never seems to sustain.
The answer is usually talent.
I'll admit that this surprised me:
https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/?Conference=Big-Ten
IU, according to recruiting rankings, has the 8th most talented team in the Big Ten, which quite frankly seemed higher than I expected.
Unfortunately for them, they're 6th out of 7 teams in the B1G-E division, ahead of only Rutgers.
They're just barely behind MSU (also a surprise; I thought MSU would have a significant talent gap on IU), then there's a moderate jump up to Maryland, but PSU/UM/OSU are light years ahead of IU.
So sure, they may have returning starters--from a team that's less talented than five of the six division foes they see every year.
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How many P5 openings are we going to see this year? Guess? I'll over under at 7.
Texas Tech, TCU, and LSU are all already looking. Anyone else already on the hunt?
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And the defense?
WOW, my preseason mag says 9 returning starters.
But this supports my point that IU-level programs peak for a year and fall. Even with returning production. It just suggests there are other reasons, too....including your point that they overachieved last year.
The bottom line is these programs can't sustain it, which makes them such programs.
2019 Minnesota.....2018 N'Western......they have magical seasons because their base line is....not magical. And the magic never seems to sustain.
OAM, I say this nicely. This point is built on the idea that one doesn't look at literally the year prior. They were a top-30 quality team last year, and by some measures actually played a hair better the year prior. Granted, they did have some close game luck.
I think I'm caught up on the idea of "magical" because it doesn't totally mean anything. It kind of means, I heard about that and remember it. Like, 2020 was more magical than 2018 for NW. And 2018 came a year after a 2017 team that was frankly better by most metrics. Now, the 2018 team did pull up from just a horrendous start to earn the right to get slaughtered by OSU, but that kind of is the NW baseline. They swing all the hell over the place. In the past 10 seasons, 2018 was the fifth-best in winning percentage. They also missed four bowls, two close, two not, and threw in a 7-6.
(The idea it never seems to sustain just feels like CFB. Nothing sustains. That's part of the joy)
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Texas Tech, TCU, and LSU are all already looking. Anyone else already on the hunt?
USC VT off the top of my head.
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OAM, I say this nicely. This point is built on the idea that one doesn't look at literally the year prior. They were a top-30 quality team last year, and by some measures actually played a hair better the year prior. Granted, they did have some close game luck.
I think I'm caught up on the idea of "magical" because it doesn't totally mean anything. It kind of means, I heard about that and remember it. Like, 2020 was more magical than 2018 for NW. And 2018 came a year after a 2017 team that was frankly better by most metrics. Now, the 2018 team did pull up from just a horrendous start to earn the right to get slaughtered by OSU, but that kind of is the NW baseline. They swing all the hell over the place. In the past 10 seasons, 2018 was the fifth-best in winning percentage. They also missed four bowls, two close, two not, and threw in a 7-6.
(The idea it never seems to sustain just feels like CFB. Nothing sustains. That's part of the joy)
"Magical" is just another word for outlier.
There are 130 teams in college football. Each year, teams will overperform their talent level in the W-L metric. Each year, teams will underperform their talent level in the W-L metric. This happens mostly due to the randomness of life, and that with a large enough sample size (n=130), you can expect there are going to be a few teams that are extreme outliers.
But we're human. We like narratives and reasons. We hate that something that we saw was just randomness; we want to ascribe meaning to it. In August, it's really difficult to identify which teams will be those outliers. But in August 2021, we look at the previous season and see those outliers (2020 IU) and assume the outlier nature of events signified some actual meaning and then predict that IU will again be good.
Purdue "sucked" in 2020. Started 2-0 and then "collapsed" with 4 straight losses to finish 2-4.
Purdue was also 7th in conference in scoring offense in 2020. 8th in scoring defense. Out of 14 teams, that's "middle of the pack". Every one of Purdue's games was close--their first 5 games were all one-score games, and even the final game against Nebraska was only a 10 point loss. Their average margin was -2.67 points per game--less than a field goal.
Narrative-wise, Purdue "started hot" then "collapsed" and "sucked". But they were a mid-pack Big Ten team statistically and didn't blow out, or weren't blown out by, any team on their schedule. But by the narrative, Purdue now at 6-4 looks like some sort of amazing resurgence after a "terrible" 2020, despite the fact that when you look at all games against P5 competition (i.e. removing should-be-FCS UConn), Purdue's average margin in games this year is -2.22 points.
Indiana's 2020 result was an outlier. That doesn't mean they're a terrible team, but they're not a team you would expect to go 6-1 against B1G competition, particularly in the B1G-E division. Predicting that the outlier status would continue into 2021 is a bad bet, even though it was well within the possible range of 2021 outcomes.
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USC VT off the top of my head.
don't forget Washington
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"Magical" is just another word for outlier.
So, I might amend this to "memorable," mainly to the person saying it, or at least an outlier in a very specific context.
IU was an outlier last year, but it wasn't like 3-9, 3-9, 6-2. They had a baseline of almost a bowl team or just barely a bowl team in a tough division for four seasons. Then they fielded a pretty good team that went 8-5, and was a single stop away from 9-4. Then last year, then the fall.
Win percentage wise, they went from 8-5 quality to the equivalent of 9.75 wins in 13 games. Like, if felt different and involved more memorable wins (in part because the name teams they beat were not all that good), but it's more feeling of outlier than true single-season outlier.
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Bear in mind that 2019 IU has an inflated record due to weak OOC scheduling. 2019 IU shows up as an 8-5 team but they were only 5-4 in conference. If you add them up points-wise, they were dead even in margin of victory/loss throughout 9 conference games. In conference they scored 267 points, and gave up... 267 points.
I'm sure the weirdness of 2020 in general, and the fact that they only had 7 games prior to the bowl, also add up.
It's a lot more statistically common to go 6-1 (86%) in 7 consecutive hands of blackjack than it is to maintain an 86% win rate in 13 consecutive hands of blackjack. Give 2020 IU a full season, and maybe it would have smoothed that outlier nature a little more. Or maybe it wouldn't, if they scheduled OOC like they did in 2019 (Ball State, FCS Eastern Illinois, should-be-FCS UConn).
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don't forget Washington
So that's already 6 before the season is even over.
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USC VT Texas Tech TCU Washington LSU.
My o/u should be at least 8, maybe 9.
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Bear in mind that 2019 IU has an inflated record due to weak OOC scheduling. 2019 IU shows up as an 8-5 team but they were only 5-4 in conference. If you add them up points-wise, they were dead even in margin of victory/loss throughout 9 conference games. In conference they scored 267 points, and gave up... 267 points.
They were 28th in F+ in 2019 (23rd in SP+, 41st in FPI). In 2020, those were 23rd overall (23rd and 26th). I think that understates it a little, but I also think it's fair to say they were passable, then decent, then pretty good for a year (aided by some turnover luck).
Not some weird bolt from the blue, one-season outlier. And everything is relative. One could argue in 2020 their record was inflated by relative outlier seasons from three of the four best programs in that division. Is what it is at a point.
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I used to loop Kentucky with Indiana for obvious reasons, but UK has sustained some pretty good seasons of late, including 10-3 in 2018. They could repeat that this year, possibly, at 7-3 with Laville, and NMSU remaining plus a bowl. But most "lesser" programs than have a 10-3 year fall apart the next season (UNC is an extant example).
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rumors picking up steam that Lincoln Riley may be heading to LSU. Personally, I don't think it's a good fit. They'll just be Oklahoma of the SEC- all offense zero defense. Need a defense that can at least get some stops if you're going to compete with the Alabama's and Georgia's.
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In Norman he could count on staying a while,build a porch,join the Kiwanis.At Baton Rouge he'll get swept out with Les Miles grass clippings
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I'd certainly love for him to leave OU and decrease their stability, but I'd be surprised if it happened.
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I’d be somewhat surprised. He walked into a great thing at OU and kept it great. He would have to rebuild a program that has a completely different culture and make up.
He must be disgruntled at OU for some reason if he leaves. I’m calling it now, if Riley leaves Bob Stoops will return like Bill Snyder at KSU.
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he may want to get an early start on the SEC? Lol. In all seriousness, he might as well get in now- bc when Oklahoma and Texas join the SEC they'll both have a really tough time ever winning it.
TX/OU should've made a play for the PAC.
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Be nice to go back 20 yrs and stand pat
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Would I be wrong in guessing everyone here would go back to 1989 and its alignment?
Big 8
SWC
10-team SEC
10-team Big Ten
Penn St, Florida St, Miami, Pitt, ND, VT, WV independents
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he may want to get an early start on the SEC? Lol. In all seriousness, he might as well get in now- bc when Oklahoma and Texas join the SEC they'll both have a really tough time ever winning it.
TX/OU should've made a play for the PAC.
You never really know. Same thing was said when Tex/A&M joined the Big 12, then we took 2/3 from the first three championships. Split 2-2 out of the first 4. Remember, this was when Nebraska was very dominant. SWC was considered weak.
Of course, the sec is very deep, with 5-6 blue bloods or near blue bloods. But there have been many champions other than Alabama. And Alabama is just as likely to be more like Texas than they are Ohio state once Saban leaves. What I mean by that is that Ohio state seems to be the only team that plays consistently well through coaching changes.
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Will any team win the SEC often with 16 teams? I'd think OU would have the same kind of shot as LSU and Auburn and Florida.
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Would I be wrong in guessing everyone here would go back to 1989 and its alignment?
Big 8
SWC
10-team SEC
10-team Big Ten
Penn St, Florida St, Miami, Pitt, ND, VT, WV independents
I'd prefer that to now, but I actually think I'd prefer before the ACC raided the Big East alignment. Not sure having all of those Independents makes sense
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I'd prefer that to now, but I actually think I'd prefer before the ACC raided the Big East alignment. Not sure having all of those Independents makes sense
The independents were great, because they weren't bowl-bound by conference affiliation. When they were good, they could mix and match into all of the other bowls, to get some really great top tier matchups.
The Rose Bowl with its double tie-in being an exception, of course.
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he may want to get an early start on the SEC? Lol. In all seriousness, he might as well get in now- bc when Oklahoma and Texas join the SEC they'll both have a really tough time ever winning it.
TX/OU should've made a play for the PAC.
Good Lord, no. PAC football is so bad, and nobody watches it.
Moving to the B1G would have been far more preferable.
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Texas and Oklahoma moving to the SEC is only good for the SEC, not good for Texas and Oklahoma, not good for what's left of the Big 12, not good for college football as a whole
the old smaller regional conferences were better for the sport as a whole - better rivalries developed, better relationships between programs and fan bases
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Would I be wrong in guessing everyone here would go back to 1989 and its alignment?
Big 8
SWC
10-team SEC
10-team Big Ten
Penn St, Florida St, Miami, Pitt, ND, VT, WV independents
I honestly don't mind either Penn State or Nebraska in the B1G. Penn State was in before I even started following college football so to me, it seems like they've "always" been in the conference. Nebraska is a team that always seemed like a cultural fit in a lot of ways, so even though they weren't historically members, they slotted in with little to no integration problems.
Maryland and Rutgers were added for TV eyeballs. It feels like they were just bolted onto the conference, not like they fit into it.
I wish the Big-12 had survived in general though (even if it means the B1G never got Nebraska). But Texas killed it. Nebraska/Mizzou/Colorado/A&M left to get away from them, and now the conference is so watered down that Texas and OU are leaving. I think the SEC pre-Mizzou/A&M would have been fine to leave as-is. The SEC should stop at the Louisiana border. Mizzou probably fits, but Texas/Oklahoma schools shouldn't be in the SEC.
ND should DIAF.
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Good Lord, no. PAC football is so bad, and nobody watches it.
Moving to the B1G would have been far more preferable.
I just think geographically it would've made more sense to join the PAC and I think Texas/OU would've hit the ground running in the PAC with a much better chance of dominating that league than they will have of doing anything of significance in the SEC.
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Moneywise, the SEC is a good choice, duh, the Pac is not. It's more important than your chances of winning any conference.
Texas might not win the SEC once in 30 years and they would still be ahead, and in a good year could make the CFP.
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well the accountants and $$$ always win the battle, but is the money really worth it?
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Moneywise, the SEC is a good choice, duh, the Pac is not. It's more important than your chances of winning any conference.
Texas might not win the SEC once in 30 years and they would still be ahead, and in a good year could make the CFP.
I'd venture to guess that if TX/OU head to the PAC- they'd get a fat new TV deal.
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yes, but it wouldn't be SEC SEC SEC fat
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well the accountants and $$$ always win the battle, but is the money really worth it?
Ha. Money drives nearly everything in life.
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and ruins many things as well
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Well that and greedy,nefarious people
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do you always need to personalize it?
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Texas and Oklahoma moving to the SEC is only good for the SEC, not good for Texas and Oklahoma, not good for what's left of the Big 12, not good for college football as a whole
the old smaller regional conferences were better for the sport as a whole - better rivalries developed, better relationships between programs and fan bases
Same thing was true for Nebraska leaving for the B1G. You gonna criticize that move equally?
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I'd venture to guess that if TX/OU head to the PAC- they'd get a fat new TV deal.
It might bring the PAC up to where the B12 currently sits. It wouldn't come anywhere close to rivaling the B1G or the SEC. Nobody watches PAC football. Nobody cares about it.
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I just think geographically it would've made more sense to join the PAC and I think Texas/OU would've hit the ground running in the PAC with a much better chance of dominating that league than they will have of doing anything of significance in the SEC.
The B12 already is a more competitive football league and it gets better ratings and more money than the PAC. If it were about "dominating the league" then OU is already doing that in the B12, no need to leave a league that's already better than the PAC.
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I honestly don't mind either Penn State or Nebraska in the B1G. Penn State was in before I even started following college football so to me, it seems like they've "always" been in the conference. Nebraska is a team that always seemed like a cultural fit in a lot of ways, so even though they weren't historically members, they slotted in with little to no integration problems.
Maryland and Rutgers were added for TV eyeballs. It feels like they were just bolted onto the conference, not like they fit into it.
I wish the Big-12 had survived in general though (even if it means the B1G never got Nebraska). But Texas killed it. Nebraska/Mizzou/Colorado/A&M left to get away from them, and now the conference is so watered down that Texas and OU are leaving. I think the SEC pre-Mizzou/A&M would have been fine to leave as-is. The SEC should stop at the Louisiana border. Mizzou probably fits, but Texas/Oklahoma schools shouldn't be in the SEC.
ND should DIAF.
This is a terrible take. Are you serious? Do you believe everything you read on the internet?
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This is a terrible take. Are you serious? Do you believe everything you read on the internet?
I thought it had to be true if it's on the Interwebz.
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Maybe it's a secret evil plan to take down the SEC.
Since Texas wrecks every Conference that they touch, send their wrecking ball into the biggest, baddest conference around, and see what happens.
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lulz
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https://twitter.com/JustinThind/status/1461010007433138189?t=N9Y15dbf7M7R7bc8iKNsaA&s=19
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Many of us complain about a lack of big-time OOC games and that snapshot of 1989 alignment has those big-boy independents. In addition to being eligible for a wide variety of bowls, those independents back then made it viable to have more big-time OOC games because they had an entire season's schedule to fill.
You'd get a lot more home & homes when big-boy indepndents lack a relatively strong conference slate to fall back on.
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Some programs have started scheduling 3 P5 OOC games a year in the future, big names too.
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Many of us complain about a lack of big-time OOC games and that snapshot of 1989 alignment has those big-boy independents. In addition to being eligible for a wide variety of bowls, those independents back then made it viable to have more big-time OOC games because they had an entire season's schedule to fill.
You'd get a lot more home & homes when big-boy indepndents lack a relatively strong conference slate to fall back on.
That's true as well. Honestly college football was way more fun back then.
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https://twitter.com/JustinThind/status/1461010007433138189?t=N9Y15dbf7M7R7bc8iKNsaA&s=19
doesn't David Shaw make like $8.9 mil a year?
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He steals it though
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This is a terrible take. Are you serious? Do you believe everything you read on the internet?
I heard Fearless say it once, so it must be true.
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I heard Fearless say it once, so it must be true.
(https://i.imgur.com/1l3KKxW.png)
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That's true as well. Honestly college football was way more fun back then.
Every 25-30 yrs all of the old Timers repeat this
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do you always need to personalize it?
Hey I left the Husker Prick Squad out of it - you're welcome
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Same thing was true for Nebraska leaving for the B1G. You gonna criticize that move equally?
yes, I will also criticize the Razorbacks for the fall of the SWC and the Husker/Sooners for the creation of the Big 12
8 -10 conference members is enough
12-16 is too many
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Hey I left the Husker Prick Squad out of it - you're welcome
the Husker Prick Squad disappeared when Fearless Frankie Solich left Lincoln
that was nearly 20 years ago
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yes, I will also criticize the Razorbacks for the fall of the SWC and the Husker/Sooners for the creation of the Big 12
8 -10 conference members is enough
12-16 is too many
10 is good. 9 conference games, 3 OOC games. Full roundrobin, no CCG.
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yup
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so- saw Ryan Leaf talk about USC and I think he may have a point- he says he thinks big city college football programs might not ever be able to sustain. LA there is just too much to do. Same thing with Miami. These programs are after thoughts to the people who live in these cities. He thinks college football is all about the small towns where everyone is all-in all the time.
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so- saw Ryan Leaf talk about USC and I think he may have a point- he says he thinks big city college football programs might not ever be able to sustain. LA there is just too much to do. Same thing with Miami. These programs are after thoughts to the people who live in these cities. He thinks college football is all about the small towns where everyone is all-in all the time.
Maybe for very large cities, but Columbus, OH isn't a small college town and the city (and really the state) care very much about Buckeye football.
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I think it's quasi-regional, few in NY state care about CFB. Many in say Georgia, and Atlanta, do.
I'm sure folks in Houston and Dallas do.
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so- saw Ryan Leaf talk about USC and I think he may have a point- he says he thinks big city college football programs might not ever be able to sustain. LA there is just too much to do. Same thing with Miami. These programs are after thoughts to the people who live in these cities. He thinks college football is all about the small towns where everyone is all-in all the time.
Ehh... I'm not sure I entirely buy it. Texas would be a potential counterpoint there, given that Austin is a pretty sizable town (if not exactly "big city"), state capitol, etc.
I think part of it might be school size. UT-Austin enrolls ~40K undergrads and ~10K grad students. USC is ~20K/8K. Miami is ~11K/7K.
This is important for two reasons:
- Having a large, captive, student population on campus fills seats on Saturday. You're not going to get all of them, of course, but let's say you get 50%. Half of 50K is a lot more seats filled than half of 28K or half of 18K.
- Having a large enrollment means that you have a LOT more alumni than schools with smaller enrollments. Thus if you only get 5-10% of the alumni regularly following the teams and/or attending games, that's a MUCH bigger group for a school with larger enrollment.
I think there's something to it, of course. When the football team is literally the only game in town, you probably tend to see a lot fewer fairweather fans. They're coming to the game when the team sucks, and coming to the game when the team is good, because watching bad football on a fall Saturday is at least an event.
That is harder to sustain fan engagement in a big city when the team sucks. In SoCal, for example, there were TONS of USC fans around during the Pete Carroll era, and they're not wearing Trojan gear now that USC sucks. But you see USC or Miami catch a little resurgence, and all of a sudden those fans will be all-in again.
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a winner attracts fans and support
when Pete the Cheat was there winning USC was doing swell
same with John McKay, Ted Tollner, Larry Smith, and John Robinson
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Ehh... I'm not sure I entirely buy it. Texas would be a potential counterpoint there, given that Austin is a pretty sizable town (if not exactly "big city"), state capitol, etc.
I think part of it might be school size. UT-Austin enrolls ~40K undergrads and ~10K grad students. USC is ~20K/8K. Miami is ~11K/7K.
This is important for two reasons:
- Having a large, captive, student population on campus fills seats on Saturday. You're not going to get all of them, of course, but let's say you get 50%. Half of 50K is a lot more seats filled than half of 28K or half of 18K.
- Having a large enrollment means that you have a LOT more alumni than schools with smaller enrollments. Thus if you only get 5-10% of the alumni regularly following the teams and/or attending games, that's a MUCH bigger group for a school with larger enrollment.
I think there's something to it, of course. When the football team is literally the only game in town, you probably tend to see a lot fewer fairweather fans. They're coming to the game when the team sucks, and coming to the game when the team is good, because watching bad football on a fall Saturday is at least an event.
That is harder to sustain fan engagement in a big city when the team sucks. In SoCal, for example, there were TONS of USC fans around during the Pete Carroll era, and they're not wearing Trojan gear now that USC sucks. But you see USC or Miami catch a little resurgence, and all of a sudden those fans will be all-in again.
No pro sports in Austin, either, while there are tons of pro sports in LA and Miami.
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Every 25-30 yrs all of the old Timers repeat this
And in truth, it’s us that changed more than the game itself.
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No pro sports in Austin, either, while there are tons of pro sports in LA and Miami.
True, and that's a thing. But up until a few years ago, there was no pro football in LA (if you don't count players getting paid at USC to be "pro").
If USC actually starts being good again, they'll get interest. Even with the Rams and Chargers (and a sizable Raiders fan contingent).
The other thing is scale. There's 20M people in the LA megalopolis. Sure, you're not going to get 80% of them caring about USC, but you don't need 80% to end up with a big number of supportive fans when your percentage is out of 20M.
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No pro sports in Austin, either, while there are tons of pro sports in LA and Miami.
no beaches with half naked women either in Austin- FYI. There's just a shitload of stuff to do in LA and Miami- stuff to get into that there just isn't in Austin or Columbus.
I know they have grown quite large over the last couple decades, but I still don't think of Austin or Columbus as big-cities in the same way I think of LA- which obviously a massive city-2nd largest in US- or Miami/SoFL which has just a shitload of people.
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Even with the Rams and Chargers (and a sizable Raiders fan contingent).
I like how Raiders fans in Oakland and LA just remain loyal to the team as they move around from one city to the next.
Quite different to the reaction in other places.
Maybe it's a Cali thing, I dunno. Do San Diego fans still follow the Chargers?
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My LA Rams friends rooted for them even when they were in St. Louis. Weird.
Houston Oilers fans were decidedly NOT rooting for the Titans.
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Yeah, I doubt many St Louis Rams fans still root for them. Unless of course they have relocated to LA themselves.
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I like how Raiders fans in Oakland and LA just remain loyal to the team as they move around from one city to the next.
Quite different to the reaction in other places.
Maybe it's a Cali thing, I dunno. Do San Diego fans still follow the Chargers?
My LA Rams friends rooted for them even when they were in St. Louis. Weird.
Houston Oilers fans were decidedly NOT rooting for the Titans.
Yeah, a lot of local Rams fans still rooted for them when they were in STL. And Raiders fans are a completely psychotic subculture, which didn't dissipate when they left for Oakland, nor when they went to LV.
Nobody cares about the Chargers.
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Mel Tucker is getting a big raise. This very likely ends with MSU paying him a large chunk of change to not coach MSU. What a time.
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Apparently not MSUs money
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The Chargers fan base in San Diego gave up as soon as Dean Spanos moved the team to Carson.
Unfortunately they are locked into something like a 40 year lease at Sofi, so the next owner couldn't do anything even if they felt so inclined. Lots of empty seats and visiting fans for the foreseeable future.
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The Chargers fan base in San Diego gave up as soon as Dean Spanos moved the team to Carson.
And the LA fans are so happy to have the Rams back that they're like "Char-who?"
Chargers became the immediate #2 redheaded stepchild much like the Clippers and the Angels. But at least the Angels are in Orange County, so they have a local fan base--even if they changed their name to the stupid-ass "Los Angeles Angels" when they're not even in LA County...
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I still root for the Brooklyn Dodgers.
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Nobody cares about the Chargers.
Ok we'll take Justin Herbert
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Mel Tucker is getting a big raise.
He better sign before Saturday 😎
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SEC Shorts - Florida tries to win a hot seat - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNNLl5WYdFs)
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SEC Shorts - Inside Lane Kiffin's mind during 4th downs - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myW5FTLpUgs)
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LSU reportedly offering Lincoln Riley an 8-year, $96 million contract. $12 mil a year. Holy chit.
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Apparently not MSUs money
Dan Gilbert taking Quicken/Rocket public was bad for Michigan. He went from being worth a few billion to like $40-50 billion overnight. He's got A LOT more money to donate to Sparty now.
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Dan Gilbert taking Quicken/Rocket public was bad for Michigan. He went from being worth a few billion to like $40-50 billion overnight. He's got A LOT more money to donate to Sparty now.
Wrong MSU alum mortgage wholesaler
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LSU reportedly offering Lincoln Riley an 8-year, $96 million contract. $12 mil a year. Holy chit.
That's a lotta clams!
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Imagine if Tucker or Riley won a National Championship,they'd be neck and neck with Bezos/Musk
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Imagine if Tucker or Riley won a National Championship,they'd be neck and neck with Bezos/Musk
yeah no shit lol. If Riley actually won a playoff game or a title at Oklahoma, LSU would probably be offering him $20 million a year.
Tucker getting $9.5 million a year is nuts to me. I think he's a hell of a coach- but that just seems cray cray.
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https://twitter.com/BFQuinn/status/1461165256818974721?t=rJ_HB4KtHEYiHTTg85wY1A&s=19
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At $10 million a year, with no taxes and saving all of it, one would need to earn that much for 100 years to be a billionaire, and some of the latter are that times 50 or more.
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if Tucker gets that extension at $9.5 mil a year- he'll be making almost $3 million more per year than Ryan Day. That's nuts to me.
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Whichever top coach gets an extension is going to get paid the most, in general.
If Day gets one soon he'll rise near the top.
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Whichever top coach gets an extension is going to get paid the most, in general.
If Day gets one soon he'll rise near the top.
I'm surprised he hasn't already gotten one. He's taken OSU's offenses to levels that they've never seen. Not even Urban was this good at offense.
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he wins the playoff by putting points on Georgia's defense - he'll break the bank
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I think OSU could well score in the 30s on UGA.
Alabama might as well.
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the Vols are the only team to score 2 TDs on Georgia and the 2nd TD was scored with less than 4 minutes left in the game
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I think OSU could well score in the 30s on UGA.
Alabama might as well.
OSU is the one team I see in the country- where if they are clicking on all cylinders- they can drop 40+ on anyone- even Georgia.
They have 3 WR's that will all be 1st round picks. They have one of the best true freshman RB's I've seen in a long time- a guy that was an OMERGG FIVE STARZZZ for a reason- dude has serious jets, moves, and catches the ball extremely well. They have a good OL, good TE group, and they have a really good young QB who has the arm talent to make every throw in CJ Stroud.
IF they are hitting on all cylinders- they just have so much firepower it's hard to stop. You can't cover all 3 of their WR's and they have a RB who can hit the home-run and can also catch the football. It's just hard to stop. You have to get to Stroud with the pass rush and hope Ryan Day has a bad day calling plays. Only shot you've got.
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One reason it's tougher to score on UGA is the kind of offense they run, they tend to control clock time, so even an OSU might not hit 40. They COULD certainly, but it's tougher just because you get fewer plays than against some other opponents. Their TOP is not extraordinary but it's decent when the game is in doubt.
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One reason it's tougher to score on UGA is the kind of offense they run, they tend to control clock time, so even an OSU might not hit 40. They COULD certainly, but it's tougher just because you get fewer plays than against some other opponents. Their TOP is not extraordinary but it's decent when the game is in doubt.
yeah I should've mentioned this as well- you have to do this as well- run the ball, convert 3rd downs and control the clock on OSU- AND you have to get to Stroud with the pass rush AND you have to hope Ryan Day has a bad day at the office calling plays.
Not many teams can do this to them. Georgia is one of the few.
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Huskers did a good job vs the Bucks.
Sacked Stroud twice, hurried him 5 times, picked him off twice, forced a Stroud fumble but the Bucks recovered
allowed only 3 yards per carry on 30 rushes
a measly 26 points
I think Michigan's defense is better than Nebraska's and of course Georgia's defense is much better than either
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I know the Dawg D has been called "generational", and I agree it's good, but I think a few folks on ESPN have gone over the top with it. They have had quite a few fourth down stops deep in their own territory because the opponents were trying to get back in it and needed the TD instead of 3.
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The Badgers are No. 1 nationally in rushing defense (60.1 yards per game), total defense (216.3 yards per game), third-down defense (23% conversion for opponents), and No. 2 in pass defense (155.7 yards per game) and scoring defense (14.6 points per game). Again, that's No. 1 and 2 NATIONALLY in all those stats.
In the yards-per-play stat, Wisconsin is giving up just 3.72 (No. 1 nationally). Nebraska's defense, having a solid year, is averaging giving up 5.08 per play (31st)
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of course the Badgers haven't had to try to slow down the Buckeyes YET.
and the Badger's D vs Notre Dame(242yds) and Michigan(365yds) wasn't bad in losses
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Tucker is legit.
MSU was a dumpster fire when he took that thing over. Year one he beats Michigan in their own house. Year 2 he beats Michigan again and has a Heisman candidate RB and his team in the top 10.
He would kick ass and take names at LSU.
I believe you. My comment was meant only to express my disagreement with Tate's preferred route to a new coach, i.e., he wants a "legacy hire."
Any coaching search should be conducted with as wide a net as possible, and I disagree with ruling out any white coaches due to the fact they don't check enough of Tate's boxes. That crap can GTFO.
A guy like Tucker can earn a job like that on his own merits if he wanted it. You don't have to try to shoehorn him in because of his ethnicity, like he can't get the job any other way. That's disrespectful to his coaching ability.
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I think from an optics sense, it's important to recruits and fans to prove you at least want to play with the big boys. MSU decided not to do that with Saban, and they suffered through back to back terrible regimes. The difference between MSU and the helmet schools is that MSU has to get the hire right. UM, OSU and PSU just can't get the hire wrong. They got this hire right, and they are sending the right message. Is he overpaid? Probably. Is the extra money worth removing the risk of getting it "right" for the third straight hire? Maybe, we'll see.
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keeping the head guy is one thing, paying the top assistants stupid money doesn't always keep them around. They sometimes leave to take a head coaching job.
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I think from an optics sense, it's important to recruits and fans to prove you at least want to play with the big boys. MSU decided not to do that with Saban, and they suffered through back to back terrible regimes. The difference between MSU and the helmet schools is that MSU has to get the hire right. UM, OSU and PSU just can't get the hire wrong. They got this hire right, and they are sending the right message. Is he overpaid? Probably. Is the extra money worth removing the risk of getting it "right" for the third straight hire? Maybe, we'll see.
Same with Purdue. Two bad hires in a row (Hope, Hazell) put the program on life support. Brohm came in and revitalized the program. It hasn't been perfect, but when you're climbing out of the cellar, it rarely is. But they had to prove they'd reward success and not cheap out.
One can argue that 2019 and 2020 didn't provide great ROI. But if they'd let him walk, what are the odds you can find anyone willing to take over the rebuild process who also has the ability to actually rebuild?
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...and if he winds up sucking, you can always give him the ole restructured contract, like Harbaugh and Frost.
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OSU is the one team I see in the country- where if they are clicking on all cylinders- they can drop 40+ on anyone- even Georgia.
They have 3 WR's that will all be 1st round picks. They have one of the best true freshman RB's I've seen in a long time- a guy that was an OMERGG FIVE STARZZZ for a reason- dude has serious jets, moves, and catches the ball extremely well. They have a good OL, good TE group, and they have a really good young QB who has the arm talent to make every throw in CJ Stroud.
IF they are hitting on all cylinders- they just have so much firepower it's hard to stop. You can't cover all 3 of their WR's and they have a RB who can hit the home-run and can also catch the football. It's just hard to stop. You have to get to Stroud with the pass rush and hope Ryan Day has a bad day calling plays. Only shot you've got.
Jonathon Taylor wasn't that long ago.
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Lane Kiffin reportedly interested in the Miami job.
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helluva recruiting opportunity there
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helluva recruiting opportunity there
Miami? Nah. It's a shithole.
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Miami? Nah. It's a shithole.
Miami is awesome. If you're rich. If you don't have money- and these college kids sure as shit don't- they aren't going to enjoy it. And nobody really gives a shit about Miami football in Miami so it's not like the star players get treated like royalty wherever they go and get hook ups like they would in say Columbus or Austin.
I think the big problems with Miami are; it's a private school, small campus, no stadium on campus, poor facilities, little to no fan support, and while they have tons of elite talent to recruit from in the area- I doubt most of these kids lived and breathed Miami football and grew up dying to play for Miami like a lot of kids in Ohio grow up diehard OSU. A lot of them are fans of other teams growing up- even Florida or Florida State.
I'm not sure Miami can ever comeback.
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Only if Jimmie Johnson comes back with his very fat wallet.
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You know I'm just baiting you, MDot. I actually like Miami, it's a cool town.
But you make some good points. Miami made itself a power in the 80s with a lot of underhanded recruiting dealings-- the kinds of things which NLI are making available to kids everywhere, and completely within the rules.
I've speculated that NLI would actually end up disadvantaging many of the historical cheater-programs. The ones that were more than willing to pay players, while other schools that actually had a lot more money, declined to engage in the cheating, or at least kept it minimal.
Now those programs that have a lot of money, that have a lot of boosters with money, will be able to funnel that to the players by completely acceptable means. It didn't just even the playing field, it tilted it heavily away from the less-monied and less-scrupulous programs.
You know, like Miami. :)
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Miami is awesome. If you're rich. If you don't have money- and these college kids sure as shit don't- they aren't going to enjoy it. And nobody really gives a shit about Miami football in Miami so it's not like the star players get treated like royalty wherever they go and get hook ups like they would in say Columbus,Austin or AnnArbor
FIFY
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FIFY
that's certainly true.
my point was- any college town where it's ALL college football and the fans are diehard and the players are worshipped- those kids getting into any bar, club, restaurant and getting free shit. Miami? Most people wouldn't even know who the f any of them are. Aidan Hutchinson right now or Braylon or Mike Hart or Woodson or any top player during their playing days walks into somewhere in Ann Arbor- it's like Elvis just walked into the building- everyone loses their shit.
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I got kicked out of line for a bar in East Lansing for yelling at the bouncer that Chris Hill wasn't good enough to get to skip the line. I stand by that, but if a decent but forgettable starting PG gets that treatment.
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I got kicked out of line for a bar in East Lansing for yelling at the bouncer that Chris Hill wasn't good enough to get to skip the line. I stand by that, but if a decent but forgettable starting PG gets that treatment.
Lol exactly.
In the college towns- the players are worshipped like gods. The big cities- no one cares.
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I never saw a football player off campus. I saw them plenty on campus. Athens is a fair sized town with a lot of bars, so they could have been out and I never noticed them, and players back then were not as large as those of today.
Maybe they had a bar in the athletic dorm. Maybe Dooley rode herd on them.
Tennis was, and is, a huge sport at UGA.
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I never saw a football player off campus. I saw them plenty on campus. Athens is a fair sized town with a lot of bars, so they could have been out and I never noticed them, and players back then were not as large as those of today.
Maybe they had a bar in the athletic dorm. Maybe Dooley rode herd on them.
Tennis was, and is, a huge sport at UGA.
most state schools have gigantic campus. problem with big-city private schools like USC and Miami are the campus size. They might be a couple hundred acres each, max. The giant state schools usually at least a couple thousand acres. Literally 10's of times bigger. And typically there isn't much to do in these towns but football anyways.
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Hell, I saw Michigan players all the time, just around Ann Arbor.
My dad was in line at Brueggers a couple years ago, and the only guys in line were him and Jordan Poole. He said normally he ignores it, but when it's just the two of you, it's almost more awkward to say nothing, because you wouldn't say nothing to the one random guy in there with you.
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UGA main campus is 762 acres, about 30 K undergrad and 10 K grad. Medical school is in Augusta, the engineering school is in Atlanta.
Oddly enough, Berry College in Rome, GA has 27,000 acres. You probably never heard of it.
Ohio State has 1,665 acres.
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I once got in line at Kroger behind our CEO, who at that time was a really nice fellow. I said "Hey, I work for you!"
He laughed and checked out.
I would not have said that to any of our other CEOs.
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Miami is awesome. If you're rich. If you don't have money- and these college kids sure as shit don't- they aren't going to enjoy it.
This is true about everywhere.
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This is true about everywhere.
It's more true the more expensive a place is.
Miami is now the 2nd most expensive place to live in the US behind only NYC according to a brand new study from Realtyhop. And all the new condo developments, shopping, single family housing, nightlife spots & restaurants are on the more high end scale and pretty much expensive as shit. Rents for apartments have gone up like 26% in Miami in the last 6 months alone.
Your dollars will take you a lot farther in Gainesville or Tallahassee or Ann Arbor or Athens or any college town than it will in a place like Miami.
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It's more true the more expensive a place is.
the Res might be a decent place if you are rich, but it wouldn't meet my definition of awesome
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My daughter in Columbus does pretty well salarywise, and it's Columbus, where prices are relatively reasonable. You don't need to make $200 K a year to have a nice life there, but you probably do in Miami, or close to it.
She majored in French and English as now is a web designer, Internet stuff. She's a go getter and like her company.
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The Tucker story reminds me of another coach, one who folks here will not think of in that light.
Darrell Hazell.
Hazell delivered a coaching job that in a similar timeframe is frankly worlds more impressive than what Tucker has done at MSU. Hazell went 11-2 at Kent State in 2012. You might say, MAC job, whatever. But here's the thing, that's a program that had two winning seasons between 1977 and that year. And he had them a game away from the Orange Bowl in Year 2.
That's insane, and it didn't mean anything.
He showed up at Purdue, had maybe the worst tenure of any Purdue coach (a high bar) and was gone. Does this mean I think Mel is going to bomb out? No. But it means I'm hesitant to crown a guy on a very good start with basically one very good win.
(For fun, the mythology if the Urban Bowling Green run has been modestly overstated, though folks in the coaching world could also see he was a high end rising star)
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It's more true the more expensive a place is.
Miami is now the 2nd most expensive place to live in the US behind only NYC according to a brand new study from Realtyhop. And all the new condo developments, shopping, single family housing, nightlife spots & restaurants are on the more high end scale and pretty much expensive as shit. Rents for apartments have gone up like 26% in Miami in the last 6 months alone.
Your dollars will take you a lot farther in Gainesville or Tallahassee or Ann Arbor or Athens or any college town than it will in a place like Miami.
Dot, you gave me a ray of hope for a second, but that's not exactly what it says.
It says Miami is the second least affordable housing market to locals. Which is to say the ratio of housing prices to median income is least favorable.
The rental prices thing is interesting, though I'm not sure what to make of it. It's a year-over-year number, and the pandemic was a damn mess for rental prices. I know the apartment I live in (In a good location in a more understated southern metropolis) is asking for 50% more than I pay for the type of unit I'm in.
This is not really the point, but the flows of home prices interest me, and that study sent me down a rabbit hole. It's gotta be an interesting change for career coaches whose families are in college towns most of the time
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(For fun, the mythology if the Urban Bowling Green run has been modestly overstated, though folks in the coaching world could also see he was a high end rising star)
What was is about UM at BGSU that got him noticed that way, other than his WL record?
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With a lacking supply of top coaching candidates, Florida's hesitancy to part with Dan Mullen crystalizes - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/with-a-lacking-supply-of-top-coaching-candidates-floridas-hesitancy-to-part-with-dan-mullen-crystalizes/)
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What was is about UM at BGSU that got him noticed that way, other than his WL record?
So, he went 17-6. Which is good. He upset a bad Mizzou team, scored a bunch of points. And he did it at a place that had a previous coach who was good, but stayed too long, got old, lost that drive and let things slip. Urban did a good job.
But it seemed like, as the years went on, you would've thought he led Kent to 11 wins or something. He had two teams that finished third in the standings. Because the league only had two bowl spots, that meant he never got to the postseason. He had a good resume, and it seemed like he was a better coach than that resume, but that history just got puffed and puffed up, in part because he turned out to be very, very good.
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OK, how was it folks in the coaching world spotted him as a clear up and comer?
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OK, how was it folks in the coaching world spotted him as a clear up and comer?
Soft skills, drive, personality, teaching, etc. These guys work together a lot, and you can see someone has a mind for it.
The guy got an OK HC job when his biggest job before that was wide receivers coach.
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Can folks in the coaching world assess potential HCs pretty well before they get a big job?
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history says, NO
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That's why I wonder how UM was spotted. Or was it chance?
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Can folks in the coaching world assess potential HCs pretty well before they get a big job?
Yes and no.
I mean, it's like any job. You can hire the best engineer in the world, but when he or she gets the job, those signs can mean something, or sometimes they don't.
With him, there's the bias that we already know it worked. People probably said the same of Will Muschamp. And then that happend.
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Initially Urban turned down the BG gig, and Earle Bruce was furious with him because he had really stuck his neck out for him in order to get him the interview. He said "Sorry coach, I just didn't think that it was a very good job." Bruce said "Of course it's not a very good job! That's why they're calling YOU!" So he changed his mind and took the job.
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Coaches have likely predicted 24 of the last 3 head coaching "greats"...
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He probably should relinquish his vote, if he is going to pull that kinda crap.
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Maybe OSU lost to the only good team it played so far?
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Maybe
Maybe Dabo is a jackwagon and a little butthurt by his team's performance
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It was last year that he did it, then he drew OSU in the playoffs and got beat.
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well then I blame facebook
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Mullen might be gone now, a loss to Mizzou, and it's not a shock.
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Sark???
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Florida and Texas should play in the Toilet Bowl.
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winning coach keeps his job
to the utter dismay of the fan base
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Florida and Texas should play in the Toilet Bowl.
They still need one more win to be eligible for it.
Granted I'm excited to see the pregame tradition where each school sends out their largest boosters to flush millions down a midfield toilet, as they do each offseason
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pre-season, post season, pregame post game, halftime, homecoming? who cares, the $$$ gets flushed a coaching staff is the benefactor. Hopefully those wives stimulate the local economy
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The actual Dan Mullen Wikipedia right now:
(https://i.imgur.com/LMwpqdp.jpg)
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The actual Dan Mullen Wikipedia right now:
(https://i.imgur.com/LMwpqdp.jpg)
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Update on the top 3 HC hires that year:
34-15 Mullen
17-25 Kelly
15-28 Frost
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crap shoot when you jump on the carousel
all 3 soon to be fired
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Update on the top 3 HC hires that year:
34-15 Mullen
17-25 Kelly
15-28 Frost
Jimbo Fisher 34-13.
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https://twitter.com/AndrewABC17/status/1462227393234579458?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1462227393234579458%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com%2FArticle%2FMissouri-coach-Eli-Drinkwitz-trolls-Dan-Mullen-Darth-Vader-costume-after-OT-win-over-Florida-175852910%2F
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Didn't think his Wiki would stay that way for long. Glad I got a screenshot, lol.
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Wow, Nebraska is 3-8???
Frost getting another season.
And to think, they got rid of Solich for going 9-3 once upon a time.
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Update on the top 3 HC hires that year:
34-15 Mullen
17-25 Kelly
15-28 Frost
Kind of shocking,I'd give Mullen 1 more year as IMO he has it in him and because UF would have to nail it on a hire as there are many openings
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better than getting Mullen next season
or Sark next season
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And to think, they got rid of Solich for going 9-3 once upon a time.
The "Skers would have stood pat but they thought the guy who replaced the guy who replaced the legend would be THE MAN
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the Skers panicked and F'ed up
no need to panic and F up again and again
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Like me at the Horse Track
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They still need one more win to be eligible for it.
Granted I'm excited to see the pregame tradition where each school sends out their largest boosters to flush millions down a midfield toilet, as they do each offseason
That’s quite good
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A couple of things on Mullen/Florida:
1 - this is a glimpse of what it will be like for some very strong SEC programs in the near future: a perfectly good HC and a perfectly good team struggling because the losses pile up - you're going to be playing 1-2 juggernauts at any given time plus teams good enough to beat you more often than not and you cannot be on the wrong end of these 1-point and 1-possession games (conference depth like we've never seen, once UTA & OU join).
and
2 - Florida isn't immune to the cycles of being good and bad that everyone seems to face, but to be down when both FSU and Miami are down makes it especially bad. My view is that Alabama and Clemson are the top 2 pillagers of FL HS talent, but it doesn't matter - if FSU AND Miami are down, Florida should be overwhelmingly talented and playing for NCs.
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I'm not sure Florida is a perfectly good team with a perfectly good coach. They did beat Tennessee though.
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I'm not sure Florida is a perfectly good team with a perfectly good coach. They did beat Tennessee though.
If the 1-score games went the Gators' way, we'd be 9-2 with a win over Bama and a very bizarre loss to USCe. I'm not saying this is a 9-2 team or anything like that, but in the grand scheme of things, teams tend to have good spurts and bad spurts in 1-score games. Based on Florida's overall program and Mullen's overall coaching record, both have been very good.
I really don't think I'm overstepping here, I actually found those claims to be quite vanilla. But I guess I was wrong again. As usual.
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I have a different opinion about a team that loses to USCe and Missouri and LSU and has zero "good wins" unless you count Samford.
I guess you can count Tenn as a good win though.
Differing opinions are OK around here. I agree a 9-2 team generally is pretty good, if we're discussing a 9-2 team. Even if they win HALF those one score losses, which is possible, they are but 7-4. A close loss to a very good team is not bad, even for a very good team. But a perfectly good team should be able to blow out bad teams fairly readily.
But if this is what Florida fans find OK, or perfectly good, fine with me.
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You're focusing on this season, when I'm intentionally using the word "program."
We're talking about 2 different things.
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A couple of things on Mullen/Florida:
1 - this is a glimpse of what it will be like for some very strong SEC programs in the near future: a perfectly good HC and a perfectly good team struggling because the losses pile up -
Sorry, for some reason I thought you meant this was a "perfectly good team". It isn't. The program should be fine, I think, but whether Mullen is The Guy is in serious question.
I could opine USC and Texas are perfectly good programs, but their TEAMS this year are pretty bad. Even Blue Bloods can have a lengthy period of bad teams.
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Sorry, for some reason I thought you meant this was a "perfectly good team". It isn't. The program should be fine, I think, but whether Mullen is The Guy is in serious question.
I could opine USC and Texas are perfectly good programs, but their TEAMS this year are pretty bad. Even Blue Bloods can have a lengthy period of bad teams.
Well this year's team has lost to 3 teams less talented than it is. The Florida roster isn't as good as Alabama's or Georgia's and its probably similar to LSU's.
That's what I was talking about in the bit you quoted. Florida isn't suddenly bereft of talent is all.
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I never said they were bereft of talent. I merely OPINED they were not a "perfectly good team".
I don't think perfecrtly good teams lose to teams like USCe and Mizzou and LSU (this year) and let Samford score however many.
It's my OPINION.
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I wonder how many Gator fans out there believe this year's team is "perfectly good". I hope that is a prevailing opinion and they keep Mullen in charge. If this version is "perfectly good", it means they are content with a team that, to me, looks rather inept and weak, but claiming most of their losses are close can keep them hopeful. I am all for it.
So, this is a perfectly good team with a perfectly good coach. I rescind my comments. not really.
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If the 1-score games went the Gators' way, we'd be 9-2 with a win over Bama and a very bizarre loss to USCe. I'm not saying this is a 9-2 team or anything like that, but in the grand scheme of things, teams tend to have good spurts and bad spurts in 1-score games. Based on Florida's overall program and Mullen's overall coaching record, both have been very good.
Scott Frost shaking his graying head
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[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]With elite jobs already open in USC (https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/) and LSU (https://lsutigerswire.usatoday.com/) and a number of quality intermediate-level jobs like Washington and Virginia Tech also open, one has to wonder what athletic director Scott Stricklin is waiting for. If he wants to have a chance at landing any of the most coveted options, he needs to start the process sooner rather than later.[/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]I’m not a huge fan of publicly calling for a coach’s job, but at this point, Mullen’s tenure at UF coming to an end this season just feels like an inevitability. It’s starting to look very unlikely this team even reaches a bowl game, and after notching the worst SEC finish in program history, whatever highs Mullen took this program to feel like a distant memory.[/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]It’s become clear that Mullen isn’t the guy to win national titles at Florida. I’m not sure what Stricklin needed to see in this one to reassure him that Mullen was the guy, but I feel comfortable assuming he didn’t see it. Regardless of what happens next week against a Seminoles team that also needs a win to reach bowl eligibility, there isn’t much Mullen can do to make that case. At least not this season.[/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]With how far this team has fallen and the continued struggles when it comes to recruiting, it’s hard to imagine next year plays out much differently if Mullen returns. To reference the oft-used quote from former Gators AD Jeremy Foley, “What should be done eventually must be done immediately.”[/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]The Dan Mullen era in Gainesville is over. It’s now just a question of timing.[/color]
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I think the better question is, "Is this Florida team better than their record?"
Sometimes a team loses a lot of close games and we want to write a narrative about them not handling pressure, or about bad coaching, etc. But maybe it's just chance.
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Their record is horrible, I think they are more talented than their record, but perhaps not much better. If you give them half the close games they lost, they are only 7-4. I thought they had the talent to be 10-2ish.
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If the 1-score games went the Gators' way, we'd be 9-2 with a win over Bama and a very bizarre loss to USCe. I'm not saying this is a 9-2 team or anything like that, but in the grand scheme of things, teams tend to have good spurts and bad spurts in 1-score games. Based on Florida's overall program and Mullen's overall coaching record, both have been very good.
I really don't think I'm overstepping here, I actually found those claims to be quite vanilla. But I guess I was wrong again. As usual.
It's similar for Texas. If every 1-score loss went the other way, Texas would be 8-3 right now with wins over Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Baylor. What's more, Texas was leading each of those games by double digits in the 3rd quarter.
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I wonder how many Gator fans out there believe this year's team is "perfectly good". I hope that is a prevailing opinion and they keep Mullen in charge. If this version is "perfectly good", it means they are content with a team that, to me, looks rather inept and weak, but claiming most of their losses are close can keep them hopeful. I am all for it.
So, this is a perfectly good team with a perfectly good coach. I rescind my comments. not really.
Why, after pointing out our misunderstanding, do you continue to misunderstand?
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And for Alabama, they'd be 11-0 and #1. I'm eyeing tickets for the SEC CG. Even the Tech game is showing $100+.
I might go if the weather is decent.
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Why, after pointing out our misunderstanding, do you continue to misunderstand?
Because you clearly stated "perfectly good TEAM", not program. It's not my misunderstanding of your post.
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I think the better question is, "Is this Florida team better than their record?"
Sometimes a team loses a lot of close games and we want to write a narrative about them not handling pressure, or about bad coaching, etc. But maybe it's just chance.
The talent question is what makes it a sonofabtich in the SEC.
Your recruiting class is 10th in the nation? Great. That's 6th in the SEC. You're screwed.
If Florida keeps Mullen, it has the resources to grab almost any great DC to help out.
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Because you clearly stated "perfectly good TEAM", not program. It's not my misunderstanding of your post.
I'm guessing we're misaligned on the definition of "perfectly good," and I don't care to clarify it.
Let's move on.
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If you view a 5-6 Florida team as being "perfectly good", I can only hope your opinion is widely shared among Gator fans.
They do have those moral losses of course by less than a TD, so there is that, and a win over the Vols. And Samford. Heck, we should write them up as being 9-3 or 10-2, at least.
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If you view a 5-6 Florida team as being "perfectly good", I can only hope your opinion is widely shared among Gator fans.
They do have those moral losses of course by less than a TD, so there is that, and a win over the Vols. And Samford. Heck, we should write them up as being 9-3 or 10-2, at least.
Thanks for moving on.
JESUS CHRIST
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I'm hearing on line a LOT of Gator fans are perfectly fine with this season and want to retain Mullen and even rehire Grantham.
Well, not really. I actually have not heard any claim the team is perfectly good, but I'm sure some have.
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It's similar for Texas. If every 1-score loss went the other way, Texas would be 8-3 right now with wins over Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Baylor. What's more, Texas was leading each of those games by double digits in the 3rd quarter.
was not gonna say a thing, but the Sooners wouldn't be happy if this applied to Texas and Nebraska
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Bob Stoops 'might be interested' in Florida job if Gators fire Dan Mullen, columnist says (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Bob-Stoops-might-be-interested-in-Florida-job-if-Gators-fire-Dan-Mullen-columnist-says-175909100/?fbclid=IwAR0SX0A2HM-cpeX0ctKqtElcixU5DS4Ictgs12QYCDiF992zQZWVB2wBJBc)
Misleading headline IMHO, it is a columnist who is saying Stoops MIGHT be interested, not Stoops.
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Out of 24 games that were decided by a single score, Nebraska has 5 wins and 19 losses under Coach Frost. I still support him, but as I’ve stated before, being a Nebraska fan is a special kind of hell right now…
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I'm guessing we're misaligned on the definition of "perfectly good," and I don't care to clarify it.
Let's move on.
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Head coach Dan Mullen and the Florida Gators parted ways Sunday, first reported by Matt Zenitz and confirmed by ESPN's Chris Low. The move comes less than 24 hours after the Gators fell in overtime at Missouri, that coming after the Gators Florida suffered a 40-17 blowout loss at South Carolina and then had a scare at home with Samford one game later. Florida has not yet achieved bowl eligibility entering the final weekend of the regular season.
Mullen was in his fourth season with the Gators. He was hired away for Mississippi State in late 2017, filling the vacancy left behind in Gainesville by Jim McElwain. Mullen exits his run as Florida's head coach with a 34-15 overall mark.
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Wow
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damnnnn.....
LSU, UF, AND USC all open.
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Ed Orgeron to UF,why not he's tried the other two
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wonder if Dan Mullen would be interested in the O coordinator job in Lincoln?
He could easily take over as head coach if Frost is fired
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Mullen is a perfectly good coach
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Mullen is a perfectly good coach
he's a perfectly good OC. he's not cut out to be a head coach. not everyone is. dude was a bad ass OC for a long time. he should go back to doing that.
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Mullen is a perfectly good coach
Stop It,Moriarty
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I see what he did there :)
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Mullen is a perfectly good coach
103–61 overall in the SEC
Perfectly good
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I see what he did there :)
Taking over Pot Stirrer duties,better ratchet up your game FF
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plot twist....Urban Meyer goes back to Florida!
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He's already there
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he's a perfectly good OC. he's not cut out to be a head coach. not everyone is. dude was a bad ass OC for a long time. he should go back to doing that.
Disagree.
Though Mullen’s time at Florida cratered with shocking suddenness, I absolutely believe Dan Mullen had long proven himself as one of the better (top 20% nationally?) head coaches during his 9 years of piloting a stable tenure at Mississippi State, 7 of which were winning seasons.
Along with his collapse at Florida, what didn’t help was the stranger, sort of flippant side of Mullen emerging in Gainesville these past 2 or 3 seasons that previously was not on display anywhere else.
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I'd rank the jobs like this....
1) Florida - most talent rich state, close to GA & Carolinas which also have tons of talent, great fan support, stadium, facilities, environment, campus, etc.., plus they play in SEC E -the easier of the two divisions at the moment. drawbacks: other big-time programs in the state in Miami & FSU- so can't lock-up all that talent.
2) LSU - tons of in-state talent and no other game in town, close to talent rich FL & TX as well. great fan support, stadium, facilities, environment, campus, etc.., drawbacks: have to play Bama in the West. Somewhat unrealistic fan expectations.
3) USC - this job sucks, imo.
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He's already there
if you see the USC chatter- these guys actually think they have a shot at getting him.
I don't think he's coming back to college, and IF he did, doubt he'd take the USC job. They just would not pour the money into the program that he'd demand imo.
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Disagree.
Though Mullen’s time at Florida cratered with shocking suddenness, I absolutely believe Dan Mullen had long proven himself as one of the better (top 20% nationally?) head coaches during his 9 years of piloting a stable tenure at Mississippi State, 7 of which were winning seasons.
69–46 overall 33–39 SEC
perfectly good in Starkville
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He's already there
is Dan Mullen his OC?
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I'd rank the jobs like this....
1) Florida - most talent rich state, close to GA & Carolinas which also have tons of talent, great fan support, stadium, facilities, environment, campus, etc.., plus they play in SEC E -the easier of the two divisions at the moment. drawbacks: other big-time programs in the state in Miami & FSU- so can't lock-up all that talent.
2) LSU - tons of in-state talent and no other game in town, close to talent rich FL & TX as well. great fan support, stadium, facilities, environment, campus, etc.., drawbacks: have to play Bama in the West. Somewhat unrealistic fan expectations.
3) USC - this job sucks, imo.
Good jobs? Florida canned a guy a year after winning the SEC East, LSU Shanghaied Orgeron out of town two years after winning a NC, and USC frogmarched a guy a year after winning the Pac South.
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perfectly good jobs
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A good job is Nebraska or Michigan where you get paid out the ass for a while, and then if you don't do anything for a number of years they just restructure your deal. Not where you get canned if you aren't Saban.
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A good job is Nebraska or Michigan where you get paid out the ass for a while, and then if you don't do anything for a number of years they just restructure your deal. Not where you get canned if you aren't Saban.
kinda agree lol. Ohio State used to be a job like this...they gave Cooper 13 years of going 2-10-1 vs Michigan. Do you think they'd still do the same thing today?
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Mullen's buyout is $12 million and would've been lessened had Florida made the decision after the 2022 season.
Mullen's buyout figure ranks No. 8 in the SEC.
Florida athletic director Scott Stricklin and Mullen agreed to the buyout numbers upon signing, and the total was not altered after the Florida coach agreed to a three-year contract extension with a raise during the offseason after the Gators won the SEC East last fall.
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kinda agree lol. Ohio State used to be a job like this...they gave Cooper 13 years of going 2-10-1 vs Michigan. Do you think they'd still do the same thing today?
They'd burn through at least 5 HCs if they endured another stretch like that in the series.
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Ohio State gave Cooper 13 years of going 2-10-1 vs Michigan.
Shaved at least a year off my life,I don't blame him I blame the guy who hired him.
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https://twitter.com/PickSixPreviews/status/1462207274735263744?s=20
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7 is OSU's record for total losses in one season, attributed to Luke Fickel.
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and Luke Fickel seems to be a top candidate
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I'd let Mullen be the OC, Muschamp be the DC, and have Spurrier as a figurehead. He could borrow Bowden's old safari hat.
Are there any career coordinators anymore? I feel like there were a lot back in the day, but now, everyone has to try their hand at being THE guy. Why not just be great at what you do?
$$$ I guess.
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Bud Foster
Brent Venables
seems more likely for D coordinators
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I don't see any obvious hires out there, nor anyone who would leave their HC spot.
I don't want a coordinator. The only HC out there that interests me is Riley, but he's at a helmet and I wouldn't want him without some sort of extra confidence in who'd be coordinating the defense.
Florida should have a "holy sh*t" hire, but I don't see it out there.
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Florida's last 5 HCs:
.694 Mullen
.647 McElwain
.571 Muschamp
.813 Meyer
.622 Zook
Looks like it's pretty easy to win 65% of your games at Florida. But to win 80+ percent, IE - "the guy" - it takes someone special.
Meyer and Spurrier remain the only two.
I'm glad we're not settling for relative mediocrity. 65% buys you a decade at a Missouri or an Arkansas, and it probbly gets you a statue at other places, but Florida is Florida. We should be winning the East a third to half the time, and winning the SEC occasionally.
Instead of FSU and Miami, we've now got Alabama, Clemson, and Georgia battling for FL's top talent.
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I don see a "holy sh*t" hire, out there for ANY program
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so, question for the group
who's a "holy sh*t" hire????
Urban, Spurrier, Mel Tucker, Jimbo, an NFL coach that gets the ax?
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Urban is a "holy crap" hire, though if you compare to when Florida originally hired him then Fickell compares pretty favorably.
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Brady Hoke is doing big things at San Diego State. :098:
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Brady Hoke is doing big things at San Diego State. :098:
Brady Hoke, and a lot of guys, are kind of interesting because you could see him still being at Michigan if he hired a good offensive coordinator instead of Al Borges
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Florida should have a "holy sh*t" hire, but I don't see it out there.
That's why I'd have waited,1 more season my belief was he could rebound.If not then at least you don't have LSU/USC looking for the same guy.Unless they already have a handshake behind the scenes on an up and comer
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so, question for the group
who's a "holy sh*t" hire????
Urban, Spurrier, Mel Tucker, Jimbo, an NFL coach that gets the ax?
Cristobal maybe inspite of last nite's results
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I'd rank the jobs like this....
1) Florida - most talent rich state, close to GA & Carolinas which also have tons of talent, great fan support, stadium, facilities, environment, campus, etc.., plus they play in SEC E -the easier of the two divisions at the moment. drawbacks: other big-time programs in the state in Miami & FSU- so can't lock-up all that talent.
2) LSU - tons of in-state talent and no other game in town, close to talent rich FL & TX as well. great fan support, stadium, facilities, environment, campus, etc.., drawbacks: have to play Bama in the West. Somewhat unrealistic fan expectations.
3) USC - this job sucks, imo.
I’d take LSU over UF. Better proximity to talent, better brand value in-state in a place that’s less trafficked
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https://twitter.com/PickSixPreviews/status/1462207274735263744?s=20
Brutal well I guess on the bright side there is promise
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Mullen's buyout is $12 million and would've been lessened had Florida made the decision after the 2022 season.
Mullen's buyout figure ranks No. 8 in the SEC.
Florida athletic director Scott Stricklin and Mullen agreed to the buyout numbers upon signing, and the total was not altered after the Florida coach agreed to a three-year contract extension with a raise during the offseason after the Gators won the SEC East last fall.
Not sure that’s true. His buyout was a flat $12 mil, or what was left on the deal, which only fell below that with one year left on the deal. And almost no one coaches with only two years left
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Brady Hoke, and a lot of guys, are kind of interesting because you could see him still being at Michigan if he hired a good offensive coordinator instead of Al Borges
or wore a headset....
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I’d take LSU over UF. Better proximity to talent, better brand value in-state in a place that’s less trafficked
you may be right...I personally think it's UF- but it's splitting hairs. And to boot they both have athletic departments that are all-in all the time on football and are all football.
Regardless, both are much better jobs than USC- which honestly does not have any of that stuff except for the fact it's in the 2nd largest city in the US and the largest state in the US and it has a ton of talent in it's own backyard. That's literally the only good thing about the job- pretty much everything else about it sucks.
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Cristobal maybe inspite of last nite's results
that's a BIG maybe
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I don't see any obvious hires out there, nor anyone who would leave their HC spot.
I don't want a coordinator. The only HC out there that interests me is Riley, but he's at a helmet and I wouldn't want him without some sort of extra confidence in who'd be coordinating the defense.
Florida should have a "holy sh*t" hire, but I don't see it out there.
there rarely are any "holy sh*t" hires out there. Meyer to OSU certainly was as was Saban to 'Bama, but when Meyer was first hired to UF and Saban first hired to LSU- they weren't exactly "HOLY SH*T!" hires- because neither had really done very much. Meyer had some impressive seasons at Utah and Saban had some impressive seasons at Sparty- but neither one of them had won anything and were not close to what they were when OSU/Bama hired them.
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Urban is a "holy crap" hire, though if you compare to when Florida originally hired him then Fickell compares pretty favorably.
yup. I'd say Fickell is in that Urban/Saban mold before they were hired by UF/LSU respectively. He's been really impressive at a difficult job- but that's it- so far.
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that's a BIG maybe
gigantic maybe. Cristobal is nothing special.
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there rarely are any "holy sh*t" hires out there. Meyer to OSU certainly was as was Saban to 'Bama, but when Meyer was first hired to UF and Saban first hired to LSU- they weren't exactly "HOLY SH*T!" hires- because neither had really done very much. Meyer had some impressive seasons at Utah and Saban had some impressive seasons at Sparty- but neither one of them had won anything and were not close to what they were when OSU/Bama hired them.
Ed Zachery, there are only a few holy shits per decade
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you may be right...I personally think it's UF- but it's splitting hairs. And to boot they both have athletic departments that are all-in all the time on football and are all football.
Regardless, both are much better jobs than USC- which honestly does not have any of that stuff except for the fact it's in the 2nd largest city in the US and the largest state in the US and it has a ton of talent in it's own backyard. That's literally the only good thing about the job- pretty much everything else about it sucks.
Also the Pac 12 blows so you can get a perfectly good coach and run the table
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Also Mullen getting 6 million now and six more over the next six years. No offsets.
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We've picked the wrong line of work
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The crew of College GameDay likes one veteran coach, specifically. During Saturday morning’s show, Kirk Herbstreit floated Notre Dame’s Brian Kelly as a potential perfect fit. It was an idea Herbstreit previously brought up.
"I'd hire Brian Kelly, no questions asked," Herbstreit said. "You laugh (wait for) when it happens. I'd hire Brian Kelly."
Desmond Howard echoed Herbstreit’s thoughts, raising an interesting point about Kelly.
"I said Brian Kelly," Howard said. "I think that would be a great hire. I would go hard. I think he's taken Notre Dame as far as he can take them."
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Now that Florida parted ways with head coach Dan Mullen, yet another large college football job is vacant. As for what's next for the Gators, The Athletic and Fox college football insider Bruce Feldman thinks an in-division coach might be the answer. Feldman said Kentucky head coach Mark Stoops could be an option as the next Gators head coach.
Kentucky is now 8-3 on the season after a dominating win over New Mexico State and they conclude their season at Louisville next weekend. Stoops joined Kentucky as the head coach in 2013 and is over .500 in his lone head coaching stop.
Feldman said he “thinks Florida will look closely at the Kentucky coach.
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Mark Stoops or Lane Kiffin would be the guys I was targeting if Florida wants to keep it SEC.
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Mark Stoops is a great coach, and I think could be a great hire. But as AfroMan alluded to earlier - will he get enough time? If you keep kneecapping guys when they have some adversity, it is tough to build a real contender.
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Troy has fired Chip Lindsey as its head football coach, the school announced.
Defensive coordinator Brandon Hall was named interim head coach.
"I appreciate Coach Lindsey's hard work over these last three years," athletic director Brent Jones said in a statement. "However, after significant review, a change in leadership is needed. I met with Coach Lindsey this afternoon and informed him that we would be making a change effective immediately. Our expectation for our football program is to compete for championships, and that resolve has not waivered. A full national search will begin immediately for the next head coach of our storied program."
Lindsey went 15-19 in his three seasons at Troy, including 5-6 this season. Before that, he was offensive coordinator at Auburn, Arizona State and Southern Miss.
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Kiffin would harken back to the arrogant offensive-minded Spurrier days, but his defenses have been garbage.
I swear to god, these offensive coaches are incapable of fielding great defenses because they're getting waxed everyday at practice and never get that swagger a great defense requires.
Yet if we've learned anything, Florida needs an offensive-minded HC. That's just the truth.
And the only SEC HCs I'd want are Saban or Smart. Brian Kelly is random AF, he's a midwest guy. I think he'd really enjoy the type of players he could get at UF, it'd help him out against big-boy opponents he seems to struggle against.
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Kiffin would harken back to the arrogant offensive-minded Spurrier days, but his defenses have been garbage.
I swear to god, these offensive coaches are incapable of fielding great defenses because they're getting waxed everyday at practice and never get that swagger a great defense requires.
Yet if we've learned anything, Florida needs an offensive-minded HC. That's just the truth.
And the only SEC HCs I'd want are Saban or Smart. Brian Kelly is random AF, he's a midwest guy. I think he'd really enjoy the type of players he could get at UF, it'd help him out against big-boy opponents he seems to struggle against.
Brian Kelly feasts on weak scheduling. I'd take a hard pass if I was UF. He will get exposed and eaten alive in the SEC.
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Kelly is random, and the idea probably is about what you think of Notre Dame. Is it a difficult place to recruit to? If so, he's doing a great job and is a no brainer hire for a place like Florida.
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Kelly is random, and the idea probably is about what you think of Notre Dame. Is it a difficult place to recruit to? If so, he's doing a great job and is a no brainer hire for a place like Florida.
First of all, I think there's about a 0% chance Kelly goes to Gainesville.
I think ND lacks the high-end skill position guys that the name SEC programs have. ND still recruits nationally, but I'd say at the B+ level. It's not 1975 anymore. ND hasn't won a NC since these kids' PARENTS were in middle school. All they've done is be on a (for college football purposes) random-ass channel all the time and gotten absolutely curb-stomped in the brightest arenas.
Hell, if I'm a random 5* from North Carolina, to me, ND is probably a fancy Wisconsin. Tends to have good line play and gets those guys drafted, but not a lot of elite WR/CBs, and an oddly-high number of white guys.
I know that's random and doesn't matter, but it's still true.
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First of all, I think there's about a 0% chance Kelly goes to Gainesville.
I think ND lacks the high-end skill position guys that the name SEC programs have. ND still recruits nationally, but I'd say at the B+ level. It's not 1975 anymore. ND hasn't won a NC since these kids' PARENTS were in middle school. All they've done is be on a (for college football purposes) random-ass channel all the time and gotten absolutely curb-stomped in the brightest arenas.
Hell, if I'm a random 5* from North Carolina, to me, ND is probably a fancy Wisconsin. Tends to have good line play and gets those guys drafted, but not a lot of elite WR/CBs, and an oddly-high number of white guys.
I know that's random and doesn't matter, but it's still true.
Oh no I think you are right. ND was pretty irrelevant after Lou Holtz left up until the time Kelly was hired, and it took him a minute to get the program back to a contender type status. They haven't been able to assemble quite as much talent as you need, but they have assembled a lot of talent. If you think it is hard to recruit to ND, then you have to think Kelly would really do well at schools where it is a whole lot easier.
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Don Brown to UMass makes sense. He's got deep ties there, was the HC there before and he's a Boston/MA guy. I think he'll do well.
His 2016 defense was pretty spectacular vs everyone- but man did his defenses wane over time. He got "figured out" and never adjusted. It showed it's ugly head in 1 game in 2017- on the road vs Penn State but otherwise in 2017 that was the only embarrassment- but 2018, 2019, & 2020 just got a little worse and worse.
His scheme is WAY too blitz heavy and man coverage reliant. He basically sent the house every god damn snap and routinely put LB's and Safeties in man to man coverage with WR's and RB's like Olave & Barkley. His scheme is awesome if you have the talent to run it- but who the hell has that kind of talent? Bama doesn't even have that kind of talent- how many LB's can run with backs like Barkley or how many safeties can run with WR's like Olave in straight up man coverage with no help? Oh yeah, like none.
He needed to mix up his coverages play more zone and blitz less- but the guy basically does not believe in that sort of stuff at all.
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Sounds like my video game defense, lol. I'd give up 1-2 long TDs per game, but otherwise shut the other team down.
But video game AI is dumb.
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Smart is obviously a good recruiter. Currently I think he has two excellent assistants who make him look good. Is he a high level HC? I hope so, don't know so. It may not matter. Recruit at that level long enough and things will happen.
With all these openings, one would think Fickell will be gone soon enough, is there anything "bad" about him at all?
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I think Kiffin would be the one I'd fear most. Aranda doesn't match their style, I think. Mark Stoops is doing an excellent job at UK but again doesn't offer the style points.
Fickell is a maybe. Were I him, I'd be more interested in USC.
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I think Kiffin would be the one I'd fear most. Aranda doesn't match their style, I think. Mark Stoops is doing an excellent job at UK but again doesn't offer the style points.
Fickell is a maybe. Were I him, I'd be more interested in USC.
I wouldn't fear Kiffin. He'd only be there three years until his eye catches some other shiny thing anyway.
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Probably so, but I think his style matches Florida better than the others, and he probably would run up a lot of points on folks. Get out the popcorn.
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Bobby Petrino has Missouri State humming.
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Frank Solich is unemployed
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I wouldn't fear Kiffin. He'd only be there three years until his eye catches some other shiny thing anyway.
So Joey Freshwater is advantageous and undependable
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I wouldn't fear Kiffin. He'd only be there three years until his eye catches some other shiny thing anyway.
24-year-old blonds are shiny people, not shiny things.
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https://youtu.be/YYOKMUTTDdA
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24-year-old belongs are shiny people, not shiny things.
Mr. Freshwater treats objects like women, man!
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I!
The royal, "we," you know?
The editorial.
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I'd love to see Lane at Florida just for the Tennessee games.
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There is something very Florida about Kiffin. He's kind of the heir-apparent to Hatin'-Ass Spurrier, in the attitude department.
I don't know about "fit," but in a vacuum I think Napier would be worth Florida's time. I think he's done a great job at ULL. If we're not gonna give him a shot, seems like one of the big boys ought to.
847,
you mentioned Aranda for LSU. I wouldn't mind it as far as coaching acumen, but he's admittedly not a recruiter, and I have serious questions about that working in Baton Rouge. You've got to get the big time talent to match what even the reasonable fan base and admin expect. You can't play Alabama, Auburn, A&M, Florida, and the occasional UGA and whoever else shows up on your schedule that's having a good year if you can't recruit like a mofo. And then of course, if you win the conference and can make the playoffs, there's always Ohio States and the like out there. I'm not sure what Aranda is doing at Baylor translates. He could keep Baylor at this level and retire a god-like figure someday. For the Tigers, we'd be asking wtf was he doing losing to Okie Lite, warm his seat up.
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based on overall greatness
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I'd probably be looking real long at Jamey Chadwell
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it would seem to me that Texas Tech would have a better recruiting situation and Washington State
not by much, but better
Brandon Huffman don't know sic'em
Let's GO Brandon!
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VaTech isn't usually know for having deeply talented teams, but I guess those around it aren't either, on the ranking.
I'd go with USC, but that could be my mistake of course.
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also not sure why USC would have better recruiting opportunity than LSU, but not Florida
I'd guess Florida and LSU are nearly the same. Almost have the try to shoehorn the Trojans in there
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it would seem to me that Texas Tech would have a better recruiting situation and Washington State
not by much, but better
I guess the assumption is that Wazzu is getting maybe the 5th or 6th crack at the California talent, while Texas Tech is getting 8th or 9th crack at the Texas talent.
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Wazzu has actually had some really high draft picks. Bledsoe was #1 overall and I think Leaf was #2. Has Texas Tech even ever produced a 1st round pick outside of Crabtree? I honestly can't remember.
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A lot of teams get a handful of elite players. The top teams get scads of them. And they might not be the skill position guys.
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Wazzu has actually had some really high draft picks. Bledsoe was #1 overall and I think Leaf was #2. Has Texas Tech even ever produced a 1st round pick outside of Crabtree? I honestly can't remember.
Patrick Mahomes...
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Has Texas Tech even ever produced a 1st round pick outside of Crabtree? I honestly can't remember.
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Patrick Mahomes...
wow...I am dumb. forgot he even played there. how the f did Texas/OU/A&M let Mahomes go to Texas Tech?
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Tech also sent a 1st round LB named Jordyn Brooks to the Seahawks in 2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_in_the_NFL_Draft
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They also had Gabe Rivera back in the 80s. Hell of a college player, but paralyzed himself in a drunk driving accident his rookie year in the NFL.
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wow...I am dumb. forgot he even played there. how the f did Texas/OU/A&M let Mahomes go to Texas Tech?
Can't speak for TAMU or OU, but here at Texas, since 2010, making terrible QB evaluation and recruiting decisions is part of our special set of skills.
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so, those QBs and other players were developed/blossomed at Tech and Wassu, but were they 4 or 5 star recruits?
maybe a couple of them were - Leaf, Bledsoe? Mahomes wasn't
and what type of high level recruiters were coaching there at the time and how does the program recruit on average when those big time recruiters are not on staff?
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how was Mahomes not a 5* recruit? he's physically almost the perfect QB. 6'2/6'3, 220-230, can run and has a rocket launcher for an arm.
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and he's not from rural Nebraska
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how was Mahomes not a 5* recruit? he's physically almost the perfect QB. 6'2/6'3, 220-230, can run and has a rocket launcher for an arm.
Oklahoma State and Texas Tech were his only P5 offers
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If I remember right wasn't he a big baseball prospect and there was some question whether he would play football?
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I don't remember that, but his father was a baseball player
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Oh no I think you are right. ND was pretty irrelevant after Lou Holtz left up until the time Kelly was hired, and it took him a minute to get the program back to a contender type status. They haven't been able to assemble quite as much talent as you need, but they have assembled a lot of talent. If you think it is hard to recruit to ND, then you have to think Kelly would really do well at schools where it is a whole lot easier.
ND's recruiting issues really have more to do with the emergence of Cincinnati, Kentucky and Louisville (for a while) and Ohio State doing a better job in the Cincinnati area. Back in the 60', 70's and 80's, ND had the pick of the litter in the Cincinnati area that is awash in great Catholic HS programs. Back then, the ND head coach didn't really have to travel to far for most of his recruiting needs. Simply extending an offer was enough to build most of the class. Today, not so much.
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Florida coaching search: Lincoln Riley, Lane Kiffin and intel on potential candidates (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/LongFormArticle/Florida-coaching-search-Lincoln-Riley-Lane-Kiffin-and-intel-on-potential-candidates-176084655/#176084655_8)
Nothing new here, the usual suspects being rounded up.
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Can't speak for TAMU or OU, but here at Texas, since 2010, making terrible QB evaluation and recruiting decisions is part of our special set of skills.
Oh we evaluate them just fine. In fact we'v had two heisman winners since then, but only one won the Heisman wearing this shade of maroon.
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Oklahoma State and Texas Tech were his only P5 offers
Johnny Unitas was drafted in 9th rd by Pittsburgh and cut before ever throwing a pass
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They also had Gabe Rivera back in the 80s. Hell of a college player, but paralyzed himself in a drunk driving accident his rookie year in the NFL.
I was wondering what happened to him.You hear about so much off field foolery it all sort of segues in together
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sounding like Franklin is going to sign a big extension at Penn State.
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He's a PA guy and knows the terrain,if they get decent Coordinators the Lions should be fine.Spartan/Ninnies was shaping up to be a good one but MSU might not be able to field a punt return team.Guys either hobbled or on the DL
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He's a PA guy and knows the terrain,if they get decent Coordinators the Lions should be fine.Spartan/Ninnies was shaping up to be a good one but MSU might not be able to field a punt return team.Guys either hobbled or on the DL
With the MSU pass defense, will they need a punt return team?
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Drinkwitz was asked Tuesday for his initial thoughts on Florida pulling the plug (https://247sports.com/Article/Dan-Mullen-fired-Dismissed-Florida-Gators-football-coach-releases-statement-after-departure-175948956/) on his coaching peer.
“My father was a farmer, and there’s an old saying you reap what you sow," Drinkwitz said on 1010XL (https://twitter.com/1010XL), via Matt Hayes (https://twitter.com/MattHayesCFB/status/1463210650885316608). “If you sow kindness, you reap kindness. If you sow jackass, you reap jackass.”
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Sounds like James Franklin getting locked up at PSU
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I personally wouldn't especially make a play for Franklin. I think he's a decent coach, but I think some are better for the main teams we're talking about.
Lane K. at Florida would be a hoot, like a mini-Steve reprise.
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Sounds like James Franklin getting locked up at PSU
Oh No not again
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I personally wouldn't especially make a play for Franklin. I think he's a decent coach, but I think some are better for the main teams we're talking about.
Lane K. at Florida would be a hoot, like a mini-Steve reprise.
I'd take Franklin,that Lane is a dead end.
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Franklin has a worse record than Dan Mullen over the same time period.
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Kiffin's a much bigger douche nozzle and prolly wouldn't fly in Happy Valley
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Kiffin has been ultra mercurial, no doubt, but he'd be fun at Florida.
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Franklin has a worse record than Dan Mullen over the same time period.
This.
We don't need a HC who loses 4 games following every season he loses only 2.
We need an .800 HC. I don't care who it is, but 2 losses should be the bad seasons for Florida.
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This.
We don't need a HC who loses 4 games following every season he loses only 2.
We need an .800 HC. I don't care who it is, but 2 losses should be the bad seasons for Florida.
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Franklin has a worse record than Dan Mullen over the same time period.
apparently Mullen hated recruiting. Finebaum on ESPN floated the idea of Mullen as an NFL coach for the mere fact that the guy hates recruiting. I think Mullen is a heckuva offensive coach- but not much else. HC at Florida needs to be a guy that recruits his ass off and also cares about the defense too.
Offensive head coaches are great- but they can't be one track mind and only care about that side of the ball. Looking at you RichRod.
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Franklin has a worse record than Dan Mullen over the same time period.
In a vastly better division of a conference
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In a vastly better division of a conference
Year - FL SOS - PS SOS
2018 - 10th - 16th
2019 - 10th - 9th
2020 - 5th - 26th
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Pre-Mullen @ UF
2014 - 21st - 53rd
2015 - 17th - 54th
2016 - 16th - 12th
2017 - 45th - 5th
I guess you worded it carefully, but Florida tends to have the tougher schedule, with perma-crossover LSU and sometimes-good FSU OOC. But I guess focusing on the divisional half of the schedule is fun.
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I'd opine the Big Ten East of late has been stronger than the SEC East of late.
Mullen obviously wasn't fired for his record before this year, he was fired for the loss at Mizzou, in effect, the straw in other words.
They were in the SEC CG last season of course.
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My LSU source says Napier to UF. Let's see if he knows what he's talking about.
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Mel Tucker contract: Michigan State takes risk overpaying its coach hoping to raise program's prominence - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/mel-tucker-contract-michigan-state-takes-risk-overpaying-its-coach-hoping-to-raise-programs-prominence/)
The reminds me of the conference expansion flurry, everyone had a desire to expand and they often weren't very choosy. Now folks want to tie up their coach for a decade and they might regret it in a few years. If Franklin or Tucker left their current jobs, I suspect the programs could find someone as good as they without too much challenge.
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So you're saying Tucker is Rutgers?
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My LSU source says Napier to UF. Let's see if he knows what he's talking about.
The entire internet is saying that...
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I view most coaches who last a while as good coaches, but not singularly elite, that takes a while to become clear of course. Somebody spotted Urban Meyer and gave him a shot, he had success everywhere. Saban of course reloads each year and has an incredible run. Who else? I would lump the rest in the "pretty good" category, interchangeable in effect, you could swap them out with the coach at another school and see about the same results, aside from the "gimmick" coaches like Paul Johnson.
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4 thoughts on Florida Gators’ coaching search: Watch Billy Napier, and be patient (tampabay.com) (https://www.tampabay.com/sports/gators/2021/11/24/4-thoughts-on-florida-gators-coaching-search/?fbclid=IwAR1_tXqDNdMmp1Vh3CPUzY3ckvJl9GdFFrbXBo0iIIOI_TLD973wDYOZf-U)
This says, logically, that hiring will be soon but not until each team finishes their regular season, which for Napier will be another week plus. It also implies Napier remains on UF's list.
I suspect Napier will end up somewhere, LSU or UF.
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I view most coaches who last a while as good coaches, but not singularly elite, that takes a while to become clear of course. Somebody spotted Urban Meyer and gave him a shot, he had success everywhere. Saban of course reloads each year and has an incredible run. Who else? I would lump the rest in the "pretty good" category, interchangeable in effect, you could swap them out with the coach at another school and see about the same results, aside from the "gimmick" coaches like Paul Johnson.
As much as I dislike the guy, Dabo should probably be in the elite category. Brian Kelly is another worth considering, while Day, Riley, and Smart will probably reach that in a few more years.
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aside from the "gimmick" coaches like Paul Johnson.
At a place like EMU he would have killed it
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As much as I dislike the guy, Dabo should probably be in the elite category. Brian Kelly is another worth considering, while Day, Riley, and Smart will probably reach that in a few more years.
I agree, though I'd put Kelly and Smart more in the successful category, which I view as different. Napier MIGHT be elite. Maybe.
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Sportswriters generally don't know more than we, and perhaps often less.
Rarely has college football experienced so much high-level coaching turnover in one season. Openings at Florida, LSU, USC, Washington, Washington State, Virginia Tech and TCU remain at the Power Five level while Texas Tech already filled its opening. Miami could be in the market for a new coach as well if it opts to move on from Manny Diaz (https://247sports.com/coach/manny-diaz-295/). All in all, there will be a ton of competition for top coaching prospects over the next few weeks.
Pete Thamel compiled a list (https://sports.yahoo.com/who-will-coach-at-florida-lsu-or-usc-timing-is-everything-002549496.html) of the top six "A-list" candidates aside from Michigan State coach Mel Tucker (https://247sports.com/Coach/Mel-Tucker-3447), who could receive a reworked deal from the Spartans that significantly increases his compensation and keeps him there for next season. Thamel named Penn State coach James Franklin (https://247sports.com/Coach/James-Franklin-56), Cincinnati coach Luke Fickell (https://247sports.com/Coach/Luke-Fickell-88), Iowa State coach Matt Campbell (https://247sports.com/Coach/Matt-Campbell-1154), Baylor coach Dave Aranda (https://247sports.com/Coach/Dave-Aranda-837), Oregon coach Mario Cristobal (https://247sports.com/Coach/Mario-Cristobal-1032) and Ole Miss coach Lane Kiffin (https://247sports.com/Coach/Lane-Kiffin-523) as the top names and quoted an "industry source" who said there might not be enough quality candidates for all of the open jobs.
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Lincoln Riley to LSU? For $12-13 million a year. LSU rumors heating up that it's happening.
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Sportswriters generally don't know more than we, and perhaps often less.
In this case, how do you mean this?
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Thamel named Penn State coach James Franklin (https://247sports.com/Coach/James-Franklin-56), Cincinnati coach Luke Fickell (https://247sports.com/Coach/Luke-Fickell-88), Iowa State coach Matt Campbell (https://247sports.com/Coach/Matt-Campbell-1154), Baylor coach Dave Aranda (https://247sports.com/Coach/Dave-Aranda-837), Oregon coach Mario Cristobal (https://247sports.com/Coach/Mario-Cristobal-1032) and Ole Miss coach Lane Kiffin (https://247sports.com/Coach/Lane-Kiffin-523) as the top names and quoted an "industry source" who said there might not be enough quality candidates for all of the open jobs.
Hoping this is true so that the Washington Huskies get boxed out of the higher market by the likes of more competitive jobs. Falling back on having to hire Justin Wilcox will serve the Huskies right - the whiniest, most embittered and ungrateful fanbase west of the Mississippi. Go speak a dead language.
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In this case, how do you mean this?
They have to write and often, so they write speculative stuff no better than what we post here, with few exceptions. Anyone can write a speculative piece on X going to Y.
They add a lot of qualifiers of course. And then in a few days the truth is announced, I can wait. Washington would be a good job, I think, fairly lowish expectations, decent recruiting options, nice place generally, less rain than Atlanta gets.
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Florida football ‘deep in negotiations’ with Louisiana HC Billy Napier (usatoday.com) (https://gatorswire.usatoday.com/2021/11/26/florida-football-head-coach-search-billy-napier-deep-in-negotiations/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=NFLdraftmaverickTony&fbclid=IwAR3E8qk_OkTkkHEvUvS6ccBVsWhfHvuOKW1v74meQEigsURyjgykW1z6gWY)
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If LSU lets Napier go to Florida, that's a major whiff by the administration
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They have to write and often, so they write speculative stuff no better than what we post here, with few exceptions. Anyone can write a speculative piece on X going to Y.
They add a lot of qualifiers of course. And then in a few days the truth is announced, I can wait. Washington would be a good job, I think, fairly lowish expectations, decent recruiting options, nice place generally, less rain than Atlanta gets.
Ahh. I mean, I buy that to a degree. But, a guy like Thamel is on the phone with agents, coaches, admins, power brokers basically non-stop this time of year. So when he's reporting stuff, it likely respects talking to some or many of the players.
That said, it is a weird kind of news because it is the kind of thing you'll find out later if it happens. Though if it doesn't, it's some interesting reading.
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If LSU lets Napier go to Florida, that's a major whiff by the administration
apparently they are still going all-in on Lincoln Riley.....
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Well Riley's getting richer either way.
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Florida coaching search: Matt Campbell, Billy Napier reportedly viewed as Gators' top choices (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Florida-coaching-search-Matt-Campbell-Billy-Napier-reportedly-viewed-as-Gators-top-choices-176364292/?fbclid=IwAR0-aq9YXwxEnM-sP6sxmTOSs2mC3gTGZynRAeft2Qwufh_xC5UIYuCU1q4)
Interesting, a bit, if true. Folks had Napier staying in the state of LA.
I am content to wait and simply be a bit amused at the sportswriters.
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Napier would take the lsu gig if offered--he came on Moscona's show to openly campaign for the job--but I'm pretty sure he hasn't been offered and won't be.
I'd rather take a shot with a guy like him than the splash hire like Riley. There's winning the press conference and there's winning the hire, and they're not necessarily the same thing. But that's Woody's m.o. and that's what he was hired for and what (possibly shortsighted) power brokers want. He brought Pedersen to U-dubb and Jimbo to A&M, and the majority of the people who matter expect him to get a name like Riley or Franklin or someone of that recognition. They didn't bring Woody to hire a Napier...however much the right decision that may or may not be.
I don't really look forward to him being UF's coach.
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The entire internet is saying that...
The entire internet is not saying it's effectively a done deal.
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The entire internet is saying that...
Or not
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Napier would take the lsu gig if offered--he came on Moscona's show to openly campaign for the job--but I'm pretty sure he hasn't been offered and won't be.
I'd rather take a shot with a guy like him than the splash hire like Riley. There's winning the press conference and there's winning the hire, and they're not necessarily the same thing. But that's Woody's m.o. and that's what he was hired for and what (possibly shortsighted) power brokers want. He brought Pedersen to U-dubb and Jimbo to A&M, and the majority of the people who matter expect him to get a name like Riley or Franklin or someone of that recognition. They didn't bring Woody to hire a Napier...however much the right decision that may or may not be.
I don't really look forward to him being UF's coach.
Riley's a darn good coach, he'd be by far the best coach LSU has had since Nick Saban.
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Riley's a darn good coach, he'd be by far the best coach LSU has had since Nick Saban.
would his style of not playing any defense work though in the SEC?
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would his style of not playing any defense work though in the SEC?
SEC offenses aren't as prolific as B12 offenses. His defenses would look significantly better in the SEC.
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SEC offenses aren't as prolific as B12 offenses. His defenses would look significantly better in the SEC.
we sure about that? cause I'm not.
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we sure about that? cause I'm not.
Yeah pretty sure about that.
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Riley's a darn good coach, he'd be by far the best coach LSU has had since Nick Saban.
I agree he's a good coach, but he seems to have a definite ceiling...OU doesn't fare too well outside of the big 12 and that would concern me. My preference is to take chances on someone that may have a higher ceiling with the risk of a lower floor (Napier, say).
It's academic still...I'm not really sure why Riley would leave OU, even for the rumored $12 mil/year.
Your other comment....you're a few years behind...the SEC offenses have been amongst the best for several years now. I don't know by what metric I should buy that sec offenses aren't as good as big 12 ones. Riley would have to field a stout defense or the base won't be with him. That's the gig in BR.
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Riley's a darn good coach, he'd be by far the best coach LSU has had since Nick Saban.
selling snake oil to help the cause
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I agree he's a good coach, but he seems to have a definite ceiling...OU doesn't fare too well outside of the big 12 and that would concern me. My preference is to take chances on someone that may have a higher ceiling with the risk of a lower floor (Napier, say).
It's academic still...I'm not really sure why Riley would leave OU, even for the rumored $12 mil/year.
Your other comment....you're a few years behind...the SEC offenses have been amongst the best for several years now. I don't know by what metric I should buy that sec offenses aren't as good as big 12 ones. Riley would have to field a stout defense or the base won't be with him. That's the gig in BR.
I'm comfortable with my assertion.
Riley's defense would look plenty good against shit-ass offenses like the one LSU is facing tonight, for example.
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Meh, by your own admission you don't watch sec unless it's a national deal. I'm comfortable in not buying your assertion, and I'll see your a&m with ole miss, possibly the best o and qb in the country, bama whose been an outstanding offense most of the last decade, clanga with leach and Florida with mullen. I'm fine putting up our best of the last several years with the big 12s best of the last several years. Which includes lsu curbstomping the big 12s best in the playoffs because Riley's offense, as I said would concern me, doesn't do much against the non b12 teams, that I can recall. I don't think they've won a playoff game despite getting several chances.
Not that I'm saying he's a bad coach. He'd be a surefire upgrade from where we are with likely a pretty high floor. I don't know if he can win an nc and that's the standard, right or wrong. As far as being easily the best since Saban, maybe, but that's a bold claim considering its Miles who is the school's most successful coach in history. Better winning %, and he did it for far longer, and he did it with Alabama on the greatest run in history in his division. It's hardly a given to surpass an 80% win rate for 11+ years. Not that any of that has anything to do with how Riley would do here, which is probably pretty good. If we won't try napier and can't get Fickell (probably not a good fit anyway) then Riley is an excellent alternative.
....if he's interested.
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Meh, by your own admission you don't watch sec unless it's a national deal.
I watch pretty much every A&M game, which means I watch all of the SEC West.
The rest of your post, then becomes irrelevant. :)
Anyway, I guess we'll see what happens. I'd be every bit as concerned about Riley at LSU, as I am about Riley at OU. Neither is particularly good for Texas, after the move to the SEC.
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SEC offenses aren't as prolific as B12 offenses. His defenses would look significantly better in the SEC.
Riley has coached 4 games vs SEC teams, allowing an average of 45 points per game.
OU was the higher-ranked team in 2 of those games.
Tell us more.
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Riley has coached 4 games vs SEC teams, allowing an average of 45 points per game.
OU was the higher-ranked team in 2 of those games.
Tell us more.
OU didn't want to be there.
Next?
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Same-same for the good guys the outhouse
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OU didn't want to be there.
Next?
Thanks.
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Thanks.
You're very welcome. Happy to help. It's what Thanksgiving is all about.
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Anything but admitting you're wrong.
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Anything but admitting you're wrong.
Lulz.
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I agree he's a good coach, but he seems to have a definite ceiling...OU doesn't fare too well outside of the big 12 and that would concern me. My preference is to take chances on someone that may have a higher ceiling with the risk of a lower floor (Napier, say).
The take of Riley having a low ceiling is ... interesting.
But the nature of the sport is fascination with what we don't see, and that powers a lot of interest.
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Florida coaching search: Billy Napier emerges as Gators' top candidate (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/florida/Article/Florida-coaching-search-Billy-Napier-emerges-as-Gators-top-candidate-176402655/?fbclid=IwAR14RZBC8fbesRa0O2yZ9dkNrQTfkRYbp7oSjkzf9BwnAhGJvW_-6MqwHOo)
Interesting, he's not headed to LSU then?
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The whole Internet has Napier headed to Florida....
Louisiana coach Billy Napier addresses Florida coaching search reports (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Louisiana-coach-Billy-Napier-addresses-Florida-coaching-search-reports-176542942/?fbclid=IwAR3epgJVhnxXtZL_Y1KGAO25LN4YTXsiMfuF-q3sNMl4LpoUas1YYzPtXck)
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good luck Billy
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Dumb move.
The Ragin' Cajuns are WAY better than the Gators.
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Michigan just scored again....
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That was Samford.
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Dumb move.
The Ragin' Cajuns are WAY better than the Gators.
Who pays better?
Is Aranda locked down? I don't see his name bounced about much. I have a notion Kiffin is on the market.
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Who pays better?
Florida is an instant payday, followed by a quick firing if you don't win the division every year.
At Louisiana you might coach there 20+ years with statues built in your honor.
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I personally would go to UF from ULL given a chance back in the day when I was aspirational. And yes, you could get fired in 3-4 years, it may even be probable. Mullen was there for four years and won one divisional title, and had three NY6 bowls in four years.
He was fired for some lip, some apparent indifference to recruiting, and going 6-6.
I'm not sure it really was his fault, other than a few casual comments.
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Florida is an instant payday, followed by a quick firing if you don't win the division every year.
At Louisiana you might coach there 20+ years with statues built in your honor.
How many people will see a statue in Lafayette, LA?
Maybe he wants to live in a place where you don't need subtitles to understand people. He's not a Louisiana person. He just needed to take a piss break, going east on I-10 to get to Gainesville. Lafayette served its purpose.
Hell, I myself got a blizzard at the Dairy Queen there my last drive cross-country this past summer.
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He'd be long gone before his statue got torn down by a future vegan society, for being a meat eater.
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Who pays better?
Is Aranda locked down? I don't see his name bounced about much. I have a notion Kiffin is on the market.
no one is locked down
Aranda will be a hot commodity if Baylor gets the win and the conference championship over the Pokes and the Mullet
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He'd have something like a 5+ year contract for $35-40 million, most of which is payable.
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He'd be long gone before his statue got torn down by a future vegan society, for being a meat eater.
Post of the year nominated.
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Florida hires Louisiana's Billy Napier as coach: Gators swipe one of most in-demand names - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/florida-hires-louisianas-billy-napier-as-coach-gators-swipe-one-of-most-in-demand-names/)
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The take of Riley having a low ceiling is ... interesting.
But the nature of the sport is fascination with what we don't see, and that powers a lot of interest.
No....let me clarify, because you'd be right to raise your eyebrows if that were my opinion.
I'm not saying Riley has a low ceiling. I'm saying there's a decent chance we know what Riley's ceiling is....and it isn't what LSU is going to want. There's a chance he might not get LSU to another NC--nothing about his playoff appearances inspire confidence there, although I think they did take UGA to the wire that year UGA and Bama played for the NC (I might be misremembering). The ceiling is probably pretty high with Riley, but is it high enough? Some reason to think it might not be.
Napier on the other hand could flame out spectacularly. His floor would be significantly lower. No guarantees that leading some stout Ragin Cajun teams translates to anything similar at LSU. And his ceiling is unknown. It's possible he could take what works at Lafayette (I'm not calling them Louisiana, I'm just not) and with better resources and recruits at LSU light the SEC's ass on fire. Or....he could flame out, or anywhere in between.
I think there's pros and cons to both. All I mean here is that my personality is geared towards rolling the dice with a Napier or a Fickell than bringing in a known quantity with reason to think they'll be very good but maybe never great.
That's just by way of explanation, Riley has of course now firmly denied interest in the job....for whatever that's worth. You won't see me complaining if he did come though. I don't want my preferences to be mistaken for pessimism of the job Riley could probably do. I'd be rather happy if we could pull him in. Although I still don't know why you'd leave OU for LSU.
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Riley's had all the pluses an LSU would have and he's had fewer obstacles to the NC than he'd have at LSU. @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) isn't making some bizarre point here.
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Florida hires Louisiana's Billy Napier as coach: Gators swipe one of most in-demand names - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/florida-hires-louisianas-billy-napier-as-coach-gators-swipe-one-of-most-in-demand-names/)
Good for him. Probably not good for us. Florida got the coach I would've picked for us, if I were in charge. Dude practically begged LSU for the gig and they weren't interested. Something similar happened one time....some guy named Spurrier interviewed for the LSU job and didn't get it, by his own admission he never forgot the slight, and he spent the next long while running up the score on us, making sure nobody in Baton Rouge ever forgot what they missed out on. This better not be the sequel.
From what I gather, Woody is a big-name hunter, and Napier is not in his wheelhouse. He wants a Jimbo or a Riley (no thx on the first one). He brought Pedersen to UW and Jimbo to A&M, and his first two LSU hires have been similar. He's brought Kim Mulkey to women's basketball (doesn't get any bigger than that) and Johnson to LSU baseball (maybe not quite the same thing, but had a great track record at UA). For better or worse, I don't know that people like Napier get the same consideration as "name" candidates with that guy. Woody has a history of winning the press conference. I'd rather he win the hire.
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Good for him. Probably not good for us. Florida got the coach I would've picked for us, if I were in charge. Dude practically begged LSU for the gig and they weren't interested. Something similar happened one time....some guy named Spurrier interviewed for the LSU job and didn't get it, by his own admission he never forgot the slight, and he spent the next long while running up the score on us, making sure nobody in Baton Rouge ever forgot what they missed out on. This better not be the sequel.
Crazy,is that for real?Either someone has direct contact,dirt or an axe to grind.Their whole committee can't be that damn dumb
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That was Samford.
Yeah.....we won that game.
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Lol, Lincoln Riley negotiating with USC the whole time, headed there. He wasn't lying about not being the LSU coach.
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Damn so much for devotion,looks like that may be the case
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Lol, Lincoln Riley negotiating with USC the whole time, headed there. He wasn't lying about not being the LSU coach.
Guy is a pussy. Scared of OU going to the SEC if you ask me.
Makes perfect sense. Continue to play zero defense and beat up on a horrible PAC that also does not play much defense.
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$$$$$$ might have something to do with it.I'd start eating quiche for the right price.If it's true then Fickell to Norman - maybe
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$$$$$$ might have something to do with it.I'd start eating quiche for the right price
USC AD does not have the kind of money that OU does.
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Wonder if OU could keep after the Texas pipeline.Parents could see their kids in FLA/Bama/Geo
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$$$$$$ might have something to do with it.I'd start eating quiche for the right price.If it's true then Fickell to Norman - maybe
LSU is going to be paying $12 mil/yr. USC may have more $ than us, I don't know, but I doubt they're going to pay that much. Maybe he doesn't like that our money smells like crawfish.
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Is he avoiding the SEC?
It's weird that it was just a given that he was going somewhere, as if OU is chopped liver. Bizarre. What else could it be?
He's a Texas guy, can bring in talent and wins at OU.
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LSU is going to be paying $12 mil/yr. USC may have more $ than us, I don't know, but I doubt they're going to pay that much. Maybe he doesn't like that our money smells like crawfish.
USC does not have more money than LSU. Not even close. They don't get the same kind of money from their PAC TV deals than LSU gets from the SEC TV deals, they don't sell anywhere near the merchandise or tickets as LSU, and they don't get anywhere near the same kind of money from boosters donating money that LSU does.
USC football generates a fraction in revenue/donations of what LSU football does.
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Is he avoiding the SEC?
It's weird that it was just a given that he was going somewhere, as if OU is chopped liver. Bizarre. What else could it be?
He's a Texas guy, can bring in talent and wins at OU.
He is 100% avoiding the SEC.
The guy is a gamble hire by USC if you ask me. What has he really done except pad stats in a weak conference? He's never built anything, he took over a winning program for Bob Stoops. He's never won anything, every single time that OU has been in the playoff they've been curb-stomped. And his teams literally have been some of the worst defensive teams since he's been a head coach. He really just doesn't seem to care about defense.
OU leaving for the SEC is why he's leaving. He does not want to go 7-5/8-4 in the SEC then get on the hot-seat. He flips the scrip and starts to wins 10-11 games a year at USC after taking over an awful program in a weak Pac, they'll build statues for him.
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If this wild gas station story is true, it is no surprise that Ed Orgeron is out at LSU
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/ed-orgeron-lsu-separation-agreement-college-football-pick-up-line?utm_medium=email&utm_source=112821&utm_campaign=hitlist&utm_content=DM23211&uuid=dad16635f47a415d8273b5b271b98d54 (https://www.golfdigest.com/story/ed-orgeron-lsu-separation-agreement-college-football-pick-up-line?utm_medium=email&utm_source=112821&utm_campaign=hitlist&utm_content=DM23211&uuid=dad16635f47a415d8273b5b271b98d54)
“It [Orgeron's new bachelor status] created messes for him, like the time Orgeron pulled up to a woman at a gas station wearing exercise attire. “Hey, you look like you work out,” he said, according to multiple sources. “We could work out together.” The woman informed Orgeron she was married and pregnant, to which he responded, “Why does that matter?”
Well, here’s why, Coach …
“That woman was the wife of a high-ranking LSU official. Word of this reached the LSU Board of Supervisors, the collection of prominent Louisiana attorneys and business owners appointed by the governor who make the most important decisions at LSU. And of course, it reached LSU athletic director Scott Woodward.”
Yeeeeikes. Hitting on your boss' boss' pregnant wife at a gas station is as bulletproof a way of getting sh*tcanned as exists in the capitalist world. It’s also potentially the most Coach O thing ever. According to The Athletic, in addition to the on-field product, the womanizing (Orgeron divorced his wife of 23 years in early 2020 shortly after signing a six-year, $42-million extension) has played a key role in Orgeron’s fall from grace, with one player even saying, “It was just a distraction. In 2019, there was no, ‘What’s Coach O doing postgame or Sunday during the day? Is he laying by the pool with a lady?’”
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He is 100% avoiding the SEC.
The guy is a gamble hire by USC if you ask me. What has he really done except pad stats in a weak conference? He's never built anything, he took over a winning program for Bob Stoops. He's never won anything, every single time that OU has been in the playoff they've been curb-stomped. And his teams literally have been some of the worst defensive teams since he's been a head coach. He really just doesn't seem to care about defense.
OU leaving for the SEC is why he's leaving. He does not want to go 7-5/8-4 in the SEC then get on the hot-seat. He flips the scrip and starts to wins 10-11 games a year at USC after taking over an awful program in a weak Pac, they'll build statues for him.
and he can get a nice beach house, the wife and family are happy
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Maybe he doesn't like that our money smells like crawfish.
maybe Eddie O spilled his low country boil & dirty rice all over the cash drawer
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He is 100% avoiding the SEC.
The guy is a gamble hire by USC if you ask me. What has he really done except pad stats in a weak conference?
You don't think Baylor/OU/OSU could beat UM on any given day?
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You don't think Baylor/OU/OSU could beat UM on any given day?
of course, but Riley wouldn't have the same string of Big 10 championships as he does Big 12 trophies
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You don't think Baylor/OU/OSU could beat UM on any given day?
SEC is tougher than the B1G if you ask me. Both are a lot tougher than the Big 12. On a given day, yes they could beat UM. Anyone can be beaten. On most days? No, I don't think they can.
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If this wild gas station story is true, it is no surprise that Ed Orgeron is out at LSU
Nothing screams romance like Eddie O in his tights growling like a musk ox by the pumps of the local filling station
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the way I read it and the only way I want to envision it, is with the young lady wearing the spandex
but, tanks fer nuttin
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Hey if it wasn't for the camera's she would have swooned and fell for his charms
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the man can recruit
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Crazy,is that for real?Either someone has direct contact,dirt or an axe to grind.Their whole committee can't be that damn dumb
The impression I get is none of those things. See previous post....I think our AD is a big-name hunter and names like "Fisher" and "Riley" are what he's after while names like "Napier" are not. He already hired Fisher once at A&M, no secret Fisher was his first choice with us if he were interested. I still don't think the board would let that happen or that Fisher has any interest, but I think that's how Woodward's mind works.
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If this wild gas station story is true, it is no surprise that Ed Orgeron is out at LSU
That's not substantiated, but it is a story that definitely made its rounds amongst the people who are paid to give us schmucks "insider" info. It is also not the only story like that. I've said several times, O was not fired for his on-field stuff. That was a convenient excuse to get rid of him for 1) perpetually embarrassing the university lately (off-field), and 2) running afoul of the admin with stuff like this.
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The impression I get is none of those things. See previous post....I think our AD is a big-name hunter and names like "Fisher" and "Riley" are what he's after while names like "Napier" are not. He already hired Fisher once at A&M, no secret Fisher was his first choice with us if he were interested. I still don't think the board would let that happen or that Fisher has any interest, but I think that's how Woodward's mind works.
This sort of reminded me when JimTressel was right down the road at Youngstown State(Winning Div III Titles).Yet the AD and Prez kept giving Tennessee John contracts - like he had their party pictures
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You don't think Baylor/OU/OSU could beat UM on any given day?
Silly wording. Any team can beat any other team on any given day.
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In response that one conference was shit.UM wouldn't go undefeated there IMO,just like Cinci wouldn't
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yup, Cincy could even beat ND
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In response that one conference was shit.UM wouldn't go undefeated there IMO,just like Cinci wouldn't
Idk where going undefeated came from....but okay.
But we all know if UM was in the Big 12, Harbaugh wouldn't have been in the hot seat entering 2021. He wouldn't have been 0-6 vs anyone. He'd have a couple of conference titles, probably.
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In response that one conference was shit.UM wouldn't go undefeated there IMO,just like Cinci wouldn't
The Big 12 is shit.
LOL, here, in my first moment of researching the Big 12 from 2015 (Harbaugh's first year) to now, revealed everything you need to know.
7 bowl teams, going 3-4. But win or lose, EVERY opponent scored at least 37 points against them. Jesus Christ.
Their 3 wins were by an average of 6 points.
Their 4 losses were by an average of 25 points.
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I'll continue, but this was an orgy of evidence I had to share right away.
2016 - 6 bowl teams went 4-2 and played decent defense overall. Good job. Although it COULD have something to do with not getting anyone into the playoff.
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2017 - 8 bowl teams, going 5-3. They show they can score, as all but 2 Big 12 teams put up 30+ points.
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2018 - 7 bowls, going 4-3. But their top team (OU) loses again in the playoff.
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2019 - uh oh....1-5 in bowls. The Big 12 seems like a 1-trick pony, with OU winning it every year, then losing annually in the playoff. Aside from Texas coming up with 2 upsets in a row, it's not a strong case.
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2020 - Success! 5-0!!! Great showing! Buuuuut, no playoff representative.
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22-19 in bowls. Zero playoff wins. 4 appearances, all by the same team. And if all of this isn't convincing, don't forget Kansas is in this conference.
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Idk where going undefeated came from....but okay.
But we all know if UM was in the Big 12, Harbaugh wouldn't have been in the hot seat entering 2021. He wouldn't have been 0-6 vs anyone. He'd have a couple of conference titles, probably.
In your opinion The Sooners run a high octane offense that gave Harbaighs teams fits.Not sure JH has won the last game of the year - maybe once.So theory and not a strong one.UM is 4-10 vs MSU the last 14 seasons so that's proof in your opinion they win the Big 12 at least twice?
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Idk where going undefeated came from....but okay.
But we all know if UM was in the Big 12, Harbaugh wouldn't have been in the hot seat entering 2021. He wouldn't have been 0-6 vs anyone. He'd have a couple of conference titles, probably.
we don't all know this
Harbaugh could easily have been 0-6 vs the Sooners, if they were his rival
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OU leaving for the SEC is why he's leaving. He does not want to go 7-5/8-4 in the SEC then get on the hot-seat. He flips the scrip and starts to wins 10-11 games a year at USC after taking over an awful program in a weak Pac, they'll build statues for him.
Dot, you're making him sound smart as hell.
So let's say the culture shock isn't quite so bad. Let's say he doesn't bump Oklahoma up two levels, but they end up a 9-3/10-2 program, about a win per year worse than now. That'll hold for a bit, but eventually people will ask why he's not more consistently beating Bama or playing Bama in the conference title game. They're Oklahoma, after all.
Simply put, Oklahoma should be, at best, at the low end of the SEC's top class. If that's the case, folks will get unhappy it isn't as winning as before. So you trade that to live in LA, try to jump start a dormant program with a high ceiling, and if it fails, well, you get fired like you would have at Oklahoma (and you get some leash LSU won't give you).
In the end, they're all hired to be fired. Some grind to the buyout, some look ahead and beat the posse out of town. Buzz Williams had a great bit on that, leaving before they tire of you.
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Not all are hired to be fired. Ferentz, Gundy and Wittingham have all been where they are forever, and each made it to their CCG this year. Not one has done enough to necessitate a statue either.
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Yeah.....we won that game.
And the locker room celebration proved it.
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Not all are hired to be fired. Ferentz, Gundy and Wittingham have all been where they are forever, and each made it to their CCG this year. Not one has done enough to necessitate a statue either.
3rd class programs
Riley wasn't interested
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The Big 12 is shit.
LOL, here, in my first moment of researching the Big 12 from 2015 (Harbaugh's first year) to now, revealed everything you need to know.
7 bowl teams, going 3-4. But win or lose, EVERY opponent scored at least 37 points against them. Jesus Christ.
Their 3 wins were by an average of 6 points.
Their 4 losses were by an average of 25 points.
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I'll continue, but this was an orgy of evidence I had to share right away.
Did you stop at 2015 or did you keep going?
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Did you stop at 2015 or did you keep going?
See above.
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3rd class programs
Riley wasn't interested
That explains why Florida wasn't on his radar.
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That was shit not the conference,throwing shyt against the wall hoping it sticks is not evidence of anything
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SEC 41-25 in bowls since 2015.
B1G 27-24
ACC 27-33
PAC 17-24
Wow, I was totally wrong. The Big 12 is merely average. Silly me.
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See above.
That's what has been discussed.Throwing shyt against the wall hoping it sticks is not evidence of anything
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That explains why Florida wasn't on his radar.
We got our first choice.
Ask Tennessee how hard that is.
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the SEC is the queen of saying bowl games don't matter
no motivation
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Wow, I was totally wrong. The Big 12 is merely average. Silly me.
You've left off your point MICHIGAN hoping some one would bite.UM has routinely feasted on the lesser squads .Look their record up vs Ohio State,Michigan State and the Bowls.There is a reason Jim took a paycut you can explain that to the congregation.There is not a conversion table that flips the script that applies these losses to other conference championships except in your land of make believe.You and reality have but a fleeting acquaintance
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That's what has been discussed.Throwing shyt against the wall hoping it sticks is not evidence of anything
Remove your hater goggles for a moment.
I'm doing real-time research (that...lemme guess, you're not willing to do), not knowing the outcome. I'm taking the risk of being shown to be wrong. And I'm doing it on display for a small army of posters who dislike me.
I'm all about following where the evidence leads. Are you?
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the SEC is the queen of saying bowl games don't matter
no motivation
We only do that when we lose.
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the SEC is the queen of saying bowl games don't matter
no motivation
Imagine the record if we were fully motivated!
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Obviously a lot worse, since the other teams would be fully motivated as well.
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Well yeah, they do that already. It's their Super Bowl. A chance to beat an SEC team, no matter how many players have opted out.
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I'm all about following where the evidence leads. Are you?
But we all know if UM was in the Big 12, Harbaugh wouldn't have been in the hot seat entering 2021. He wouldn't have been 0-6 vs anyone. He'd have a couple of conference titles, probably.
Well I've waited for this cascade of evidence
You make me larf since JH was hired, here is were UM has finished in the BIG Ten East
2015 3rd
2016 3rd
2017 4th
2018 2nd
2019 3rd
2020 5th
You've shared with the congregation these are clear indicators he would win the Big 12 probably twice with an average of slightly below 3rd place
That doesn't even pass the say it out loud test.Look in the mirror and say that out loud
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I will say out loud that after doing the bowl research, I overestimated how good the B1G is. Happy? lol
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so, some conferences are better during bowl season, the exhibition season, the post season that doesn't count?
cool
and what point are you trying to prove?
that bowl games are important?
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I will say out loud that after doing the bowl research, I overestimated how good the B1G is. Happy? lol
you made a generalization based on nothing but skewed views.Walk yourself back and look who introduced the assertion.I followed the evidence and it didn't indicate UM,tOSU,UW,MSU,PSU or anyone else would win another conference title twice.OU alone had 2 heisman winners under center that led high octane offenses.TOSU lost to both UT/OU the last time they played but won the previous contests.Sometimes you're the bug sometimes the windshield
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$$$$$$ might have something to do with it.I'd start eating quiche for the right price.If it's true then Fickell to Norman - maybe
BTW quiche is just a fancy french name for an omelette in a pie crust. Not all that scary :57:
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My wife makes a great quiche, we all love it. Delicious.
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the SEC is the queen of saying bowl games don't matter
no motivation
Probably explains our last hire and the one that's about to happen. AD wasn't up for it.
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While the amount that USC offered in the reported deal has not been disclosed, 247Sports' Carl Reed reported earlier Sunday that LSU had offered Riley $12 million and that Oklahoma was trying to match that number. It appears that USC offered an amount north of that mark that Oklahoma was unable to reach.
Riley, 38, is 55-10 overall and 37-7 against Big 12 play since taking over as OU's head coach in 2017.
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BTW quiche is just a fancy french name for an omelette in a pie crust. Not all that scary :57:
Dessert belongs in a pie crust. Not omelettes nor chicken pots, whatever those are.
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USC does not have more money than LSU. Not even close. They don't get the same kind of money from their PAC TV deals than LSU gets from the SEC TV deals, they don't sell anywhere near the merchandise or tickets as LSU, and they don't get anywhere near the same kind of money from boosters donating money that LSU does.
USC football generates a fraction in revenue/donations of what LSU football does.
Boosters. USC has them, and they have more money than anyone else, including ND.
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I had not though LA would have wealthy folks that interested in USC football, but it only takes a handful.
I had thought USC would be the best spot for most coaches because the money would be good and the expectations would be manageable, at least initially. Mullen is gone of course after three NY6 bowls in three years and one collapse season, and some comments. At USC that would be epic. I also like their cheerleaders' outfits.
I presume he can up their recruiting and compete in the Pac.
UGA snagged a tight end out of Napa who is epic as a freshman, can't let that continue. Their backup QB is from USC also.
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USC has a very strong alumni base, and many of them are loaded.
You kinda have to be loaded to go to USC in the first place, to be honest.
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There is loaded, as in comfortable, and loaded, as in truly wealthy of course. The latter can write enormous checks the former could only wish for.
I'm sure they have plenty who earn half a million a year, but that is a lot different from someone with half a billion in assets. They both can afford tuition.
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I know a guy who played on the 1945 Rose Bowl team that beat Tennessee.
He was a lawyer, and a very wealthy one at that. He donates $2.5 Million per year to football (as of 4 years ago - last time I saw him). He has many friends who do the same. Lives in a monster in Beverly Hills, with mansions on Laguna Beach and Hawaii.
Filthy rich.
I'm hoping to be in the will. :)
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I imagine LSU has some large donors as well, as does Oklahoma State. Some programs like say Duke have wealthy alumni but not many interested in CFB, apparently.
I'd guess programs like LSU and USC and Florida can pay a coach just about any figure, and pay other coaches not to coach, comfortably. Maybe one is wealthier than another, but they call can pay, and will.
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I'm sure Coach K gets some of their love,though hoops is much cheaper to run
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I know a guy who played on the 1945 Rose Bowl team that beat Tennessee.
He was a lawyer, and a very wealthy one at that. He donates $2.5 Million per year to football (as of 4 years ago - last time I saw him). He has many friends who do the same. Lives in a monster in Beverly Hills, with mansions on Laguna Beach and Hawaii.
I could match that but it means selling the extensive collection of Beer Lights in my rec room and pawning that bottle of Pappy,so screw it
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Lincoln Riley made a calculated move turning his back on Oklahoma for USC, but it may pay off massively - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/lincoln-riley-made-a-calculated-move-turning-his-back-on-oklahoma-for-usc-but-it-may-pay-off-massively/)
LSU has to be kicking itself. AD Scott Woodward was apparently throwing around $100 million deals for the right coach to replace Ed Orgeron. Riley's name had bubbled up in the speculation. Now, 42 days after Coach O was fired, LSU is the last of three top-tier programs without a coach.
The money was going to be the money no matter where Riley ended up. Mel Tucker recently made sure that every coach of substance was going to get a raise after his $95 million deal with Michigan State. Riley chose his path picking a downtrodden 4-7 program that just fired its coach over a program in LSU that had won a national championship two years ago.
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USC has a very strong alumni base, and many of them are loaded.
You kinda have to be loaded to go to USC in the first place, to be honest.
USC is called the University of Spoiled Children 'round here for a reason...
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So what's the current picture on HC changes for P5?
Original openings:
Florida - Napier
USC - Riley*
TCU - Sonny Dykes*
WSU - Jake Dickert
Texas Tech - Joey McGuire
Washington - ?
LSU - ?
Virginia Tech ?
Duke - ?
*Trickle-down openings:
OU - ?
Did I miss anything?
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USC is called the University of Spoiled Children 'round here for a reason...
Oldie but a goodie,seems appropriate
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USC is called the University of Spoiled Children 'round here for a reason...
'round here too.
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everywhere
huge filthy rich alumni base, they can match anyone's $$$
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If LSU had $100 million, I don't think they had a problem, even if USc has more of it.
In my lifetime, I hope, we'll have a billion dollar coach.
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Riley took his whole staff.
Gonna be a bit of a culture shock for them and their families.
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Bob Stoopes is the Sooners interim coach for the bowl game. What are the chances they bring him back for good? They need someone good a couple years out from joining the SEC.
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the Beverly Hillbillies
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the Beverly Hillbillies
(https://www.imago-images.com/bild/sp/0005934316/w.jpg)
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hah, google some Okies
that ain't nuttin
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everywhere
huge filthy rich alumni base, they can match anyone's $$$
I don't see any garb around for them,they have a small enrollment I thought.W/O looking it up
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Around 50,000
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Matt Campbell is still sitting there with his 0 conference titles/cyhawk wins. Last year everyone was ready to crawl across broken glass to Aims for a chance to sign this guy. Now all of a sudden there are some new shiny objects to distract people with, I suppose.
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Sounds like Washington is going to hire current Fresno State coach and former IU OC Kalen DeBoer. IU's offensive return to normalcy since he left is a pretty good indicator of how good he is.
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LSU making a run at Brian Kelly. This dumb sport
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Can we stop with the 'he's going to X because of the weather....'.
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Matt Campbell is still sitting there with his 0 conference titles/cyhawk wins. Last year everyone was ready to crawl across broken glass to Aims for a chance to sign this guy. Now all of a sudden there are some new shiny objects to distract people with, I suppose.
Our new HC beat Campbell with his G5 team.
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The Campbell Camels?
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Everything reported about LSU originates from agents and sports-writers who have to put out something to generate clicks and fulfill their mandates. This is a strange go-round for us....we haven't had an AD in my lifetime who successfully kept this much of a lid on things. There are 3 or 4 people who know what's really going on, and none of them are anybody making the headlines or twitter feeds.
I'm as guilty of it as anybody. Everything I've written here came from the usual "insider" guys who cover the team (and to be fair, have had a lot of good info over the years). The interesting thing about it is when they have time to expound a little more, such as on their podcasts, they all say the same thing....they don't really know anything, because their sources in the program don't know anything and can only tell their guess and that there's about 3, maybe 4 people who know what Woody is up to (see above) and they ain't talking. When they're honest, they've never done this much guessing.
I'm saying, maybe Riley really was a target and maybe Brian Kelly really is....but it's a guess, they don't know that. Woody, for his part, either knows something we don't or is some kind of sociopath. He just smiles and plays golf and acts super relaxed and tells people they'll really like it when it all shakes out. I was listening to one of the usual suspects last night and more or less agreed with his assessment.....either Woody is shitting his pants right now, or he's laughing at all the rest of us shitting our pants.
So we don't know anything, but there are a few things we know from outside the AD's office that tell us something....but not much, imo. We know from Aranda's people and from Napier's people that they were never contacted. We didn't even put any feelers out to them. There may be others but I've only heard confirmations from those two camps that they weren't contacted. That sounds like Woody either has his guy or thought he had his guy (that's why I say it still doesn't tell me much). That still could mean he thought he had Riley and is now shitting his pants.
It also tells us something (just not sure what) that LSU did not announce yesterday. Again, that could point to LSU not having their guy, or it could point to they've got their guy but he's still coaching. All I know for sure is the fans are starting to wet the bed. If he does have somebody locked up, it would need to be really worth it, because when they failed to announce anything yesterday, this recruiting class is starting to get restless.
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Minnesota OC Mike Sanford Jr will be cashiered today.
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Minnesota OC Mike Sanford Jr will be cashiered today.
there is a God
i know people think of Minnesota as a non factor program but with a different OC this year at worst we would have been 11-1 even with our 1-4 RB's getting injured throughout the year
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Can we stop with the 'he's going to X because of the weather....'.
Having grown up in the Chicago area, I've said numerous times that I have absolutely NO desire to go back due to the weather. I like perfect weather every damn day, and SoCal is that.
My company has a big facility in Rochester MN. Which sounds like the bad part of Siberia to me... If they said they'd double my salary but I had to move to Rochester? I'd be on the way immediately, and my California girl wife would deal with it for the decade it would take to pay for our retirement when we could move somewhere warmer.
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LA is definitely a paradise.
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More smoke for Brian Kelly to LSU. What if he goes to LSU and ND makes the playoff?
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If ND opens up, the top two candidates would be Urban and Fickell, I would imagine
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If ND opens up, the top two candidates would be Urban and Fickell, I would imagine
https://twitter.com/DanPom69/status/1465484854074691587?t=VZY8-4vSuKS5qxKaBnj8jg&s=19
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More smoke for Brian Kelly to LSU. What if he goes to LSU and ND makes the playoff?
Fickel coaches two playoff teams?
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https://twitter.com/WorldofIsaac/status/1465459728348233729?t=ERQWmPuL7hy_cLVkwkDjPg&s=19
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Fickel coaches two playoff teams?
What is it this year? Cotton Bowl and Orange Bowl? Could probably fly from one to the other without missing too much of the first quarter.
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https://twitter.com/WorldofIsaac/status/1465459728348233729?t=ERQWmPuL7hy_cLVkwkDjPg&s=19
https://twitter.com/offtackleempire/status/1465453527346655247?t=AqMTv-N3VRd06L8h-oTjqA&s=19
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If ND opens up, the top two candidates would be Urban and Fickell, I would imagine
They wouldn't touch URBZ after that last handful
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BK already hand picked Marcus Freeman as his successor.
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They wouldn't touch URBZ after that last handful
He just went one knuckle deep. Don't think that's enough to keep him out of South Bend.
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BK already hand picked Marcus Freeman as his successor.
I definitely think he's in the mix here. If Fickell and Urbs say no, then they are looking to someone like Matt Campbell or promoting from within.
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They wouldn't touch URBZ after that last handful
Brian Kelly killed a kid
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Ya but he's Irish
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Brian Kelly killed a kid
Thought it was two. The camera guy, and that girl with the groping cover up.
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LA is definitely a paradise.
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Not where I live.
I'm sure some of my vehicle emissions (and/or BBQ smoke) blew up that way though.
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Also holy hell if Freeman isn't coaching at ND I hope Ryan Day is blowing up his phone
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He just went one knuckle deep. Don't think that's enough to keep him out of South Bend.
If it gets really hairy, they'll just transfer him to another congregation Boston College.
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https://twitter.com/Matt_Fortuna/status/1465499247357345794?s=20
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Brian Kelly killed a kid
I should probably find out what that meme is about.
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*sees BK to LSU*
*fart noises*
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https://twitter.com/Matt_Fortuna/status/1465499247357345794?s=20
If things don't work out he could just run for senator
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Cincinnati brass has got to be like, "ah shit!"
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Well the SC/ND rivalry just swung the other way.
Guess it's Fickell to ND not Norman
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I'm not convinced they don't promote Freeman. If they don't, I'm guessing he would be Cincinnati's top choice to replace Fickel.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da_2ZAOsoSs
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I should probably find out what that meme is about.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/news/story?id=6219373
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Also holy hell if Freeman isn't coaching at ND I hope Ryan Day is blowing up his phone
If Fickel goes to ND, Freeman to UC?
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Kelly to LSU at age 60. LSU doesn't want to keep coaches around very long. And Kelly isn't going to stay long anyway.
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Kentucky worried Mark Stoops will leave for Oklahoma.
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I wouldn't want Mark Stoops.
UK has simply replaced Tennessee for 3rd in the East (generally). Once UTK ceases to be a dumpster fire, UK will resort back to what it was.
Hell, if they didn't get Robinson from Nebraska this year, they'd have lost 2-3 more games.
He's certainly improved their program, but not anything special.
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They finished second behind Georgia, and Tennessee was third.
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I think Notre Dame will go Freeman. Things aren't bad right now and a little continuity this time will be viewed well. This wouldn't have been a type of hire a decade ago, but it worked well enough for Oklahoma and Ohio State (promoting a coordinator who is obviously quickly rising up). I am not sure that is the best move, but it limits recruiting damage and sets things up better if they make one of the playoff bowls. Those shouldn't be deciding factors, but if it is close, they will definitely be considered.
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I wouldn't want Mark Stoops.
UK has simply replaced Tennessee for 3rd in the East (generally). Once UTK ceases to be a dumpster fire, UK will resort back to what it was.
Hell, if they didn't get Robinson from Nebraska this year, they'd have lost 2-3 more games.
He's certainly improved their program, but not anything special.
I don't know if I'd call him not anything special. He took a doormat and made it deeply competent. That's not at all easy to do, especially in terms of maintaining. Like, we can say "if X happened, then yada, yada" but even if they lose the bowl, you're getting one of the four best records since like 1950.
THAT SAID, being able to make Kentucky super competent is not the same skill as getting Oklahoma to a consistent 10 wins in the SEC. He has one of the best jobs in CFB for his skill set, and leaving is only gonna make a mess for all involved.
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If Fickel goes to ND, Freeman to UC?
This is what I would do.
Promoting Freeman would be bold, I think. Not that he's a bad coach. But that's a big boy job for a guy with a short resume.
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Brian Kelly killed a kid
Tressel before had ordered people down from stands and scaffolding and sent a memo to other Big Ten Progams regarding conditions
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Brian Kelly killed a kid
Craig James killed five hookers at SMU.
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Boy I missed a lot in a few hours here.
I might just wait until all the dust settles. Or not.
I get sucked into speculation too.
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Oklahoma coaching search: Sooners top potential replacements for Lincoln Riley, per CBS Sports (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/LongFormArticle/Oklahoma-coaching-search-Sooners-top-potential-replacements-for-Lincoln-Riley-per-CBS-Sports-176627822/#176627822_6)
Interesting rampant speculation, but at this point, it's obvious large things could happen, and likely will.
If Heupel moved, I'd be, well, amused?
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Brian Kelly has taken a lot of shit from Notre Dame's fan base over the years. Can't say I blame him for jumping on the big money.
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Brian Kelly says if you can't beat em, join em.
Lincoln Riley says if you can't beat em, flee em.
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Have we ever seen this level of high level coaching moves? Blue bloods and near BBs all hiring firing and poaching?
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Never to this level, in my fan lifetime.
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Oklahoma coaching search: Sooners top potential replacements for Lincoln Riley, per CBS Sports (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/LongFormArticle/Oklahoma-coaching-search-Sooners-top-potential-replacements-for-Lincoln-Riley-per-CBS-Sports-176627822/#176627822_6)
Interesting rampant speculation, but at this point, it's obvious large things could happen, and likely will.
If Heupel moved, I'd be, well, amused?
I thought he and Oklahoma were not on great terms?
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Who nows? Not I.
Someone said he wasn't not on good terms with Stoops. I find it all rather entertaining, up to the point we hear Smart just left UGA for Duke.
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I thought he and Oklahoma were not on great terms?
I think that's correct. They did fire him as OC if I recall correctly.
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Have we ever seen this level of high level coaching moves? Blue bloods and near BBs all hiring firing and poaching?
Never to this level, in my fan lifetime.
Same here. I don't ever recall anything like this, either.
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Kelly's clearly ducking that home and home with IU in 2030-31.
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Kelly's clearly ducking that home and home with IU in 2030-31.
I would as well.
Indiana could be great by then.
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Have we ever seen this level of high level coaching moves? Blue bloods and near BBs all hiring firing and poaching?
nope. i would have put money on both ou and nd being able to hold onto any coach they wanted vs anyone else except for maybe an alum. crazy.
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I would as well.
Indiana could be great by then.
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nope. i would have put money on both ou and nd being able to hold onto any coach they wanted vs anyone else except for maybe an alum. crazy.
Same here. I think we're seeing some fundamental shifts in the nature of where, and why, coaches want to coach.
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I'm not convinced they don't promote Freeman. If they don't, I'm guessing he would be Cincinnati's top choice to replace Fickel.
Freeman was going to be our DC until he backed out last year. Was kinda hoping Kelly could convince him to come with.
We do pay our coordinators a heckavu lot of money. Not as good as ND HC money, obviously.
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Same here. I think we're seeing some fundamental shifts in the nature of where, and why, coaches want to coach.
In our last changeover when LSU tried to get Fisher, someone looked into it and found, iirc, that no coach had ever left a destination (helmet) job for another job without being fired, unless there were some special ties (alum, etc.) A&M became the first to pull that off. Gigem says FSU didn't support him, so I thought maybe that would stay an anomaly.
Maybe not so much. Leaving OU for SC never occurred to me. Though now that it happened I can think of several good reasons for it.
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Have we ever seen this level of high level coaching moves? Blue bloods and near BBs all hiring firing and poaching?
Have we every seen the level of idiocy unfolding paying coaches and players Multi millions of dollars with or with out stated aims accomplished as the national economy teeters?Sense has turned to nonsense
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Kelly will make double at LSU as ND.
Riley got a hundred million plus they bought both of his houses from him, bought him a new house, and lent him a private jet.
Not much mystery there.
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no wonder Scott Frost got another year!
holy sheep shit, Batman
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Kelly will make double at LSU as ND.
Riley got a hundred million plus they bought both of his houses from him, bought him a new house, and lent him a private jet.
Not much mystery there.
i don't know what cost of living is in norman, but getting double what i make and moving to la would effectively be a paycut for cost of living. now at 10mil/year it doesn't really matter, but still.
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i don't know what cost of living is in norman, but getting double what i make and moving to la would effectively be a paycut for cost of living. now at 10mil/year it doesn't really matter, but still.
I bet that they are paying all of his taxes too.
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I bet that they are paying all of his taxes too.
not just taxes. housing, gas, and many other normal expenses are double what it is here, some (like housing) are well over double.
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LSU wide receivers coach and assistant head coach Mickey Joseph is being pursued by his alma mater, Nebraska, multiple sources tell Geaux247. The Journal Star was first to report that Cornhuskers head coach Scott Frost is working on bringing in the New Orleans native.
Football Scoop reported on Monday that the former Archbishop Shaw star is being targeted as wide receivers coach and recruiting coordinator.
Sources told Geaux247 that the door is certainly open for Joseph to head to Lincoln, looking for a fresh start under Frost.
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Waiting to hear what Baylor does to try to anchor Aranda in Waco. Rumor was there was something in the works a few days ago.
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there is no anchor big enough if ND wants him
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Sounds like Brent Pry may head to Va. Tech
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Some scary things are coming out about the state of the IU football program. Given this past season and the historical context of IU football, that statement should carry some weight. Tom Allen actually took a personal pay cut in order to fund the buyout of OC Nick Sheridan. Connecting the dots, that indicates that there isn't enough money currently available to fund any more staff changes. So some of the incompetents that helmed this season (Tim Hiller - O-line coach chief among them) simply can't be fired because there's not enough money available to do so. This has been verified by a writer with inside access to the program and athletic department. So with this and already having 10 players in the portal it looks like Tom Allen is going to have to perform a miracle with the staff he currently has or the catastrophic season that just occurred could soon spiral into several apocalyptic seasons in a row.
It sure would be nice if the football program had some deep pocketed donors like the ones who ponied up the dough to get Archie Miller out of town last spring.
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Every big ten team is making money hand over fist from the TV deals alone.
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Every big ten team is making money hand over fist from the TV deals alone.
It's a well known fact that the previous IU president was siphoning significant amounts of BTN money into building projects and other university ventures. His term ended just this past July. So the football program wasn't always getting what other conference programs got. Couple that with IU's typical attendance issues and a season with no fans at all and now the chickens have come home to roost.
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anyone interested in one bill o'brien? extensive work with belichick and saban, nfl and major p5 hc experience. national coty and bear bryant coty award winner.4 time afcs division title winner. most wins for a first year hc in psu history. currently on staff as oc for a playoff contender.
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It's a well known fact that the previous IU president was siphoning significant amounts of BTN money into building projects and other university ventures. His term ended just this past July. So the football program wasn't always getting what other conference programs got. Couple that with IU's typical attendance issues and a season with no fans at all and now the chickens have come home to roost.
Yeah, that's what I am saying. It is a self inflicted poverty.
It's like saying that you only have a dollar to your name because that's all that you put in your wallet.
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Yeah, that's what I am saying. It is a self inflicted poverty.
It's like saying that you only have a dollar to your name because that's all that you put in your wallet.
basketball school
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It sure would be nice if the football program had some deep pocketed donors like the ones who ponied up the dough to get Archie Miller out of town last spring.
All of these guys should be given base salaries and the rest objective met incentives.Giving goofballs millions to fail,should have gotten into coaching....or politics
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not just taxes. housing, gas, and many other normal expenses are double what it is here, some (like housing) are well over double.
Are you in AL or somewhere else? I can't recall...
If in AL, nearly anywhere in AL, then yeah housing would probably be more than double for an equivalent place. Even in ritzy areas of Texas where 94 lives, I look at houses and a 3000 sf house is going for maybe ~$500K, whereas a 1500 sf house where I live is likely to cost $1M. So housing is a HUGE difference. I assume it would be an even wider gap in AL.
Gas was always low when I lived in GA, partly due to proximity to the refineries in the Gulf states and also due to lower state excise taxes on gasoline. CA has high gas taxes, and sometimes the unique blends/additives we have raise the cost. And then you add the cost of real estate for the actual gas station that they need to cover... Gas is definitely higher here, but not often double what it was in GA IIRC.
All that said, I'm pretty sure that cost of living or even taxes isn't really something that worries Lincoln Riley. You can live slightly above middle class in LA on $10M a year :57:
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My step son in SF envies our rental prices here, which are relatively high, most nicer 2 bdr units are $3 K a month and up.
A condo near us went for $2.8 recently. It was a nice condo.
There is an amenity war happening, similar to the weight room wars in CFB.
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My step son in SF envies our rental prices here, which are relatively high, most nicer 2 bdr units are $3 K a month and up.
A condo near us went for $2.8 recently. It was a nice condo.
There is an amenity war happening, similar to the weight room wars in CFB.
High rise everything walkable city life might be for me a couple decades from now... For now I'm quite happy with the SFH in suburbia.
I can't imagine having a tiny patio where I can't use my smokers/grills tho lol...
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High rise everything walkable city life might be for me a couple decades from now... For now I'm quite happy with the SFH in suburbia.
I can't imagine having a tiny patio where I can't use my smokers/grills tho lol...
I've often thought about the walkable city life, after the kids finish high school and move out. It seems like a fun and vibrant lifestyle.
But that's when I remember how much I hate people, and being stacked right on top of so many of them, likely wouldn't work out well for me.
So my actual downsizing/retirement plan is to build my dreamhouse on a boatload of acreage in the middle of nowhere and perhaps never again interact with another human outside of my immediate family. :)
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I don't feel crowded here, I don't have to "interact" with people very often, and it's minimal, like saying good morning to security.
I told my wife I'd take her to breakfast (and did). We walked to her bank and then around a bit, I was snooping for a new place and found one which was OK. it's a wonderful day, I'm about to go out again.
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We are in a "midrise" of course, the high rise life over say 25 floors seems different. There is a proposal for a 61 floor condo building near us, not for me. It helps enormously that the park is across the street, we can get very away from people in the park if we choose. Or I sit on the deck and read.
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I've often thought about the walkable city life, after the kids finish high school and move out. It seems like a fun and vibrant lifestyle.
But that's when I remember how much I hate people, and being stacked right on top of so many of them, likely wouldn't work out well for me.
So my actual downsizing/retirement plan is to build my dreamhouse on a boatload of acreage in the middle of nowhere and perhaps never again interact with another human outside of my immediate family. :)
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It's hard. I hate people but I love convenience.
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anyone interested in one bill o'brien? extensive work with belichick and saban, nfl and major p5 hc experience. national coty and bear bryant coty award winner.4 time afcs division title winner. most wins for a first year hc in psu history. currently on staff as oc for a playoff contender.
Not sure why he's not getting calls.
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In our last changeover when LSU tried to get Fisher, someone looked into it and found, iirc, that no coach had ever left a destination (helmet) job for another job without being fired, unless there were some special ties (alum, etc.) A&M became the first to pull that off. Gigem says FSU didn't support him, so I thought maybe that would stay an anomaly.
Maybe not so much. Leaving OU for SC never occurred to me. Though now that it happened I can think of several good reasons for it.
Ashamed to admit but A&M did it when we brought Dennis Franchione to A&M from Alabama after he won 10/11 games in 2002. Boy what a mistake that was.
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Not sure why he's not getting calls.
Hell, I had to turn my phone off.
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Are you in AL or somewhere else? I can't recall...
If in AL, nearly anywhere in AL, then yeah housing would probably be more than double for an equivalent place. Even in ritzy areas of Texas where 94 lives, I look at houses and a 3000 sf house is going for maybe ~$500K, whereas a 1500 sf house where I live is likely to cost $1M. So housing is a HUGE difference. I assume it would be an even wider gap in AL.
Gas was always low when I lived in GA, partly due to proximity to the refineries in the Gulf states and also due to lower state excise taxes on gasoline. CA has high gas taxes, and sometimes the unique blends/additives we have raise the cost. And then you add the cost of real estate for the actual gas station that they need to cover... Gas is definitely higher here, but not often double what it was in GA IIRC.
All that said, I'm pretty sure that cost of living or even taxes isn't really something that worries Lincoln Riley. You can live slightly above middle class in LA on $10M a year :57:
yeah that's all about right.
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It's hard. I hate people but I love convenience.
Amen, brutha!
I also like good restaurants and bars, good live music, good breweries, etc.
I just don't like the things I have to do to get to it-- namely, interacting with people.
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In our last changeover when LSU tried to get Fisher, someone looked into it and found, iirc, that no coach had ever left a destination (helmet) job for another job without being fired, unless there were some special ties (alum, etc.) A&M became the first to pull that off. Gigem says FSU didn't support him, so I thought maybe that would stay an anomaly.
Maybe not so much. Leaving OU for SC never occurred to me. Though now that it happened I can think of several good reasons for it.
It has been 75 years since a coach voluntarily left OU for another job.
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It's been 75 yrs since USC offered
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SEC SEC SEC
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Sounds like ND is all in for Fickell. Btw ND plays at OSU next year.
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Would Fickell leave Cincinnati before the playoff *IF* they get a CFP bid?
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if Notre Dame tells him to, he will
he wouldn't "have" to
Frost coached UCF in the Peach bowl after taking the job in Lincoln
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Not sure why he's not getting calls.
The way things went in Houston, not good.
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The way things went in Houston, not good.
on field side of things were fine. just don't let him be the gm.
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Would Fickell leave Cincinnati before the playoff *IF* they get a CFP bid?
Man tough call I'd go for the NC no guarantee you get back with ND - that prolly why kelly left .
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Kelly left Cincinnati before a BCS Bowl game, fwiw.
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Clearly because of the weather.
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Kelly left Cincinnati before a BCS Bowl game, fwiw.
Well it wasn't the BCSCG.
BTW if you're trying to make a moral, ethical, or just plain common decency argument and your excuse is "well Brian Kelly did it first", I do believe you've already lost. :57:
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Good as an excuse as any and better than many that get coughed up here
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Sounds like ND is all in for Fickell. Btw ND plays at OSU next year.
was hearing it was Matt Campbell. Fickell would be a great hire. Campbell would wind up being a disaster imo.
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Clearly because of the weather.
I'm betting it was because of the "chili."
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I'm betting it was because of the "chili."
South Bend has a Skyline Chili location actually.
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Kelly left Cincinnati before a BCS Bowl game, fwiw.
I remember that game.
Not a feather in the G5 cap, I'm afraid.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/300010057
(https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/300010057)37-3 early in the 3rd quarter....
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Dantonio left Cincinnati before an International Bowl, and Kelly came in and coached it. So in the end it evened out for Kelly
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on field side of things were fine. just don't let him be the gm.
Getting your boss fired makes future bosses want you less, especially when you're even more powerful on this level. (Also unclear about the quality of the job he's done or affinity for recruiting)
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Dantonio left Cincinnati before an International Bowl, and Kelly came in and coached it. So in the end it evened out for Kelly
I watched that game. They had some weird plastic ramp at the end of the end zone, and one of the players tried to run up it after a TD and it was an instant cartoon banana peel slip.
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South Bend has a Skyline Chili location actually.
Heh, didn't realize that. Maybe that's the real reason he's leaving ND now, too. :)
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Heh, didn't realize that. Maybe that's the real reason he's leaving ND now, too. :)
Eh, I just checked and it's actually Ft Wayne.
They do have 5 locations in Florida though, which is awfully random.
https://www.skylinechili.com/florida/
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Skyline chili=gross.
As someone who spent my formative years in New Mexico, all midwest "chilis" are nothing but mildly spiced beef and tomato soups.
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Not all, you may be referring to Cincy chili, which is localized to Cincy, and a bit spread around Ohio. I've had "real" chili in Cincinnati.
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Skyline chili=gross.
As someone who spent my formative years in New Mexico, all midwest "chilis" are nothing but mildly spiced beef and tomato soups.
Cannot contain beans. NO BEANS.
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Skyline chili=gross.
As someone who spent my formative years in New Mexico, all midwest "chilis" are nothing but mildly spiced beef and tomato soups.
And all South Western Beer is muddy water pulled from wagon ruts.
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Cannot contain beans. NO BEANS.
The price of meat has been skyrocketing here.There will be beans in my pot
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The first time I had Cincy chili, I thought it was indeed awful. It was several years before I was encouraged to try it again as a 4 way. I got used to it. Blue Ash Chili has a 6 way.
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The first time I had Cincy chili, I thought it was indeed awful. It was several years before I was encouraged to try it again as a 4 way. I got used to it. Blue Ash Chili has a 6 way.
Along with this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4zWFsPGdX4
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They have the fried jalapenoes as a side dish also, very tasty, but they build up some heat.
I don't miss the stuff but I usually have lunch there when we go back. Once.
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Cannot contain beans. NO BEANS.
It is known.
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did a new guy join the board?
or did youse fells just need a reminder bout chili?
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I like MY "chili", I don't fix it often enough really especially now.
I often serve it over rice.
I like rice.
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I sometimes eat rice with oriental foods when out
I rarely eat oriental
no rice in my kitchen or pantry
taters, bread, and pasta are my choices of starch
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Can't wait to make some bean chili later
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too warm for chili here, mid 60's and sunny
Golf and hot wing weather
18 holes with Budweiser and a cigar, then to the local small town bar for hot wings and more Budweiser
Perfect December afternoon/evening in NW Iowa!!!
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Columbus has a chili cook off in the Iron Pony parking lot every august.
95 degrees, humid as Hell, scorching hot Sun, on a gigantic patch of molten black top.
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It's 63°F here, I was just running and am sweating big time.
Still cool enough at night for chili.
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cool enough, but not optimal
the folks in Columbus, OH must concentrate on football
they seem to know football
sure as hell don't know chili
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Maybe the coaching changes will alter the chili landscape. Ever had Wendy's chili? It's pretty, well, below average.
I've lost track of who has openings now. I guess ND is the prime one. Do you think Mullen really should have been fired? OK, they looked bad THIS year, no doubt. What can Napier fix quickly, if anything? Recruiting? Maybe.
I seen rumors about Huepel to OU, just the usual rumors of course. If Mama calls?
The Tech fans on FB are quite unhappy. 45-0 will do that.
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Getting your boss fired makes future bosses want you less, especially when you're even more powerful on this level. (Also unclear about the quality of the job he's done or affinity for recruiting)
he's done... ok. a ton of bama fans, myself included, aren't very happy with him (and marone). our oline has been really poor, especially the right side, and i don't mean just by bama standards. we are 111th in tfl allowed, 108th in sacks, 77th in rush offense (83rd in rush yr/attempt, so not really a volume stat either). good thing we have a heisman level qb, cause the passing game is only thing keeping our offense moving and scoring.
and while bob deserves some credit for keeping it moving only way we can, he's also not been great at overcoming when we've struggled even there. like the auburn/lsu games. they were just pinning ears back and rushing us hard. but we didn't call any plays to stop that. no screens, draws, quick slants/pass routes, flairs, etc. anything to catch the d too far up field.
i fully expected our offense to take a step back this year. but there is no reason for our oline to be that weak. it's not like they're young either. 1 sr, 3 jr and 1 so. there was 1 injury right before season, but it should be solved by now with the talent we have.
to his defense, he (and marone) came in a had to learn our offense, not other way around. that's how saban does it. this is the bama offense/defense, and you'll learn it and run it with your own style/flair, but we don't implement your offense. so being first season, he might have had a learning curve to overcome. but it's been a full season and seems to be getting worse as it goes on.
as far as recruiting, he's ok. it's hard to tell. he's only credited with 2 recruits, but they're both highly rated (5* qb, 4* te). not much sample size, but what's there is really good.
imo, he' still a good coach. too much history says he is. but he isn't a good fit at bama for whatever reason.
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I like MY "chili", I don't fix it often enough really especially now.
I often serve it over rice.
I like rice.
Basmati Rice,sheesh
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I sometimes eat rice with oriental foods when out
I rarely eat oriental
no rice in my kitchen or pantry
taters, bread, and pasta are my choices of starch
You have rice in your beer - look it up.Saki sucker
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Ever had Wendy's chili? It's pretty, well, below average.
I suppose that would be Columbus's most famous Chili.
While not the best in the world, it doesn't have to be. It's like the old adage that you don't have to outrun the bear, you just have to outrun the slowest guy. Columbus doesn't have to have the best Chili in the world, they just have to outdo Cincinnati.
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You have rice in your beer - look it up.Saki sucker
True story. Fearless drinks rice regularly.
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It dips below 70 this time of year in Florida (at night). That's about as good as you'll get for Florida chili weather.
Actually making it for dinner tonight, with beans, served over spaghetti (not that sweet Skyline style chili, the normal flavor).
I've never had it over rice. However we do make something similar to chili served over rice. It's a Cuban dish called picadillo. Absolutely delicious. Had that last night for dinner.
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Some smoke that ND will announce Marcus Freeman as head coach
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Mante Ta'o gonna coach LBs?
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It dips below 70 this time of year in Florida (at night). That's about as good as you'll get for Florida chili weather.
Actually making it for dinner tonight, with beans, served over spaghetti (not that sweet Skyline style chili, the normal flavor).
I've never had it over rice. However we do make something similar to chili served over rice. It's a Cuban dish called picadillo. Absolutely delicious. Had that last night for dinner.
I love picadillo, minus the olives.
If you're serving chili over rice, throw a shrimp on it and call it etouffee, lol.
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It does indeed sound like Marcus Freeman will be ND's head coach. Dude is 35. Still has his 247 profile up.
https://247sports.com/Player/Marcus-Freeman-25937/college-42033/
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I love picadillo, minus the olives.
If you're serving chili over rice, throw a shrimp on it and call it etouffee, lol.
I love the olives. Especially the flavor they add to the dish as a whole
I don't like raisins in it. We don't add them to ours.
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If portly bowl committee members are worth the price of those blazers they'll invite Notre Dame to the Sugar in NOLA this year
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There's a place where I used to live that had a turkey chili that was unreal good. I don't know how, as turkey should be meh, but not this one.
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I love the olives. Especially the flavor they add to the dish as a whole
I don't like raisins in it. We don't add them to ours.
Most Latin American countries have a version of picadillo. Mexican picadillo has raisins, and no olives. That's primarily what you'll find here in Texico.
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An old co-worker - made White Chicken Chili.Damn that was good should have got the recipe
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Freeman hired at Notre Dame.
https://twitter.com/UnnecRoughness/status/1466253293202595847?s=20
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Yeeesh.
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That's very bad. Jeez.
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WTF?
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the recruits and players were publicly and privately pushing for Freeman to be the next HC. If he wasn't hired their recruiting class probably would've started to fall apart and some players would've even hit the portal. their class and team should remain intact now.
but this is a huge gamble. guy is super young and has never been a head coach anywhere, let alone at a high profile program like ND. he's either going to fail miserably or be very successful. don't see any in between.
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So I guess the rumor of Freeman to Ohio State as DC is BS.
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So I guess the rumor of Freeman to Ohio State as DC is BS.
After all the work I put in starting it, this is terrible news. :)
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wonder who Oklahoma will get. Rumors are that Clemson DC Brett Venables is the #1 candidate.
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True story. Fearless drinks rice regularly.
nothing wrong with drinking fermented rice, in fact I highly recommend it.
Some dern fine vodka and gin from Japan
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put chili over pasta or rice or another starch??? wth?
chili can be put on/over a hot dog or a burger
crackers, corn chips, tortillas, a grilled cheese sammich can be served w/chili
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Venables has probably had as many head coaching opportunities as Bud Foster
just smart enough to coordinate a great defense and avoid the drama - coordinators are paid pretty well these daze
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I think Notre Dame would be 9-3ish with almost any coach who recruits well. Of course, I'd think that about Texas and USC also.
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the recruits and players were publicly and privately pushing for Freeman to be the next HC. If he wasn't hired their recruiting class probably would've started to fall apart and some players would've even hit the portal. their class and team should remain intact now.
but this is a huge gamble. guy is super young and has never been a head coach anywhere, let alone at a high profile program like ND. he's either going to fail miserably or be very successful. don't see any in between.
I mean...I don't see it as much different than Ryan Day and Lincoln Riley getting hired. ND and LSU tried to pick him off from Cincy for a reason, he's a good recruiter and good coach. ND not exactly looking for a whole new system - they've been a top program the past five years. The biggest gamble (IMO) for him is keeping Tommy Rees as offensive coordinator. Not that it is good or bad, but Kelly was heavily involved with the offense, and Freeman is a defensive guy.
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the recruits and players were publicly and privately pushing for Freeman to be the next HC. If he wasn't hired their recruiting class probably would've started to fall apart and some players would've even hit the portal. their class and team should remain intact now.
but this is a huge gamble. guy is super young and has never been a head coach anywhere, let alone at a high profile program like ND. he's either going to fail miserably or be very successful. don't see any in between.
possibly the best move this season...
save the recruiting class and save the roster from jumping in the portal
wait a year and then pick a HC when there are better options available
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put chili over pasta or rice or another starch??? wth?
chili can be put on/over a hot dog or a burger
crackers, corn chips, tortillas, a grilled cheese sammich can be served w/chili
I did a fusion one time that turned out really nice.
My regular chili, served over veg fried rice and topped with chow mien noodles and kimchee.
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if you're cooking I'll eat it
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put chili over pasta or rice or another starch??? wth?
chili can be put on/over a hot dog or a burger
crackers, corn chips, tortillas, a grilled cheese sammich can be served w/chili
I don't put it over pasta or rice, but I often eat it over cornbread, or corn chips. Frito pie is a delicacy.
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I don't put it over pasta or rice, but I often eat it over cornbread, or corn chips. Frito pie is a delicacy.
This!
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My regular chili, served over veg fried rice and topped with chow mien noodles and kimchee.
I don't put it over pasta or rice, but I often eat it over cornbread, or corn chips. Frito pie is a delicacy.
You two carnival barkers have any more of those drugs?Go about stating "No Beans" like you're culinary Royalty then turn around and toss a bowl of red over crappy cabbage,cheap chips or corn bread like pigeons on a bag of popcorn.Hell invite fearless he'll bring the saki.What's next you going to hook up with Andrew Zimmern and toss back some fermented walrus colon?SMDH
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Chili is pretty good over rice, my family did it often...My Texan wife not so much. But consider the source....where I'm from people say "I'm starting the rice" before they even decide what they're cooking.
Chili over cornbread or fritos is fantastic. Don't think I've tried both at once.
We call the fritos version Frito Pie.
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When I remember I use CD's suggestion of Basmati Rice.I get the Himlayan stuff Costco sells
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Rice is one of my favorite things to eat. Of course I also like grits.
Both need amendment.
My wife is getting some ground chuck right now for me to make my style of chili and we will have it over rice.
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We call the fritos version Frito Pie.
Uhhhh, yeah. Dude. I already mentioned that. ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/imDflBn.png)
It's a classic at ballparks in Texas, where it's often served "walkin' taco" style.
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What's next? Stuffing chili in Bugle Chips, and calling it the Tex Mex Cornucopia?
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White rice with butter salt and pepper is one of my favorites.
For pasta, cacio e pepe is the same concept and a delicious comfort food.
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Rice is really good when you want to eat 10,000 of something.
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I have consumed some odd things in my life, I think sieche is the strangest.
My wife said it was a kind of fish, which technically is correct.
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Oklahoma class has fallen apart and they've had lot of players enter the portal. They need to make a move....fast. Don't know what they are waiting for.
ND promoted Freeman and it stopped the bleeding before it ever began. Didn't lose a single recruit or player enter the portal.
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When rice was served in school lunch, it was always served with sugar and cinnamon. Coming from a house where rice is/was a staple instead of a dessert, I still can't figure out what that was trying to accomplish.
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What's next? Stuffing chili in Bugle Chips, and calling it the Tex Mex Cornucopia?
Not a bad idea.
I'm gonna start marketing that down here in Texico, and I'll claim all credit for the invention, too.
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Oklahoma class has fallen apart and they've had lot of players enter the portal. They need to make a move....fast. Don't know what they are waiting for.
ND promoted Freeman and it stopped the bleeding before it ever began. Didn't lose a single recruit or player enter the portal.
Much of OU's decommitment problem is coming from the Southern California recruits who decommitted and are expected to follow Riley to USC. There's not anyone they could have named as head coach at OU, that would have prevented that from happening.
That doesn't necessarily affect the portal issues, of course, but everyone knew 6 weeks ago when Rattler was first benched in favor of Caleb, that he'd be hitting the portal at season's end, so that one is no surprise.
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The other difference is Riley is a great recruiter on his own. He got those kids.
Kelly not so much compared to Riley. Freeman is an excellent recruiter, a players coach, and no doubt was a big factor for keeping that team together.
Freeman coached LBs for Purdue under Hazell. He was one of the only bright spots during the dark ages. I was hoping Brohm would promote him to DC.
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The other difference is Riley is a great recruiter on his own. He got those kids.
Kelly not so much compared to Riley. Freeman is an excellent recruiter, a players coach, and no doubt was a big factor for keeping that team together.
Freeman coached LBs for Purdue under Hazell. He was one of the only bright spots during the dark ages. I was hoping Brohm would promote him to DC.
Freeman was without a doubt ND's ace recruiter- and that class would've fallen apart had they not kept him. Doesn't mean it was the right move for the long haul though. No one has any idea if this guy can be a legit head coach. We'll find out very soon- but his could blow up in their faces.
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White rice with butter salt and pepper is one of my favorites.
For pasta, cacio e pepe is the same concept and a delicious comfort food.
I don't see no cacio in that rice recipe!
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Italian restaurant last night had a bleu cheese guacamole that they were serving atop a ribeye.
Uhh, whut?!
I got the seafood pasta.
Boss ordered three bottles of wine for the 9 people at the table. That's... Not enough.
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Italian restaurant last night had a bleu cheese guacamole that they were serving atop a ribeye.
That'd get you shot 'round these parts.
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The other difference is Riley is a great recruiter on his own. He got those kids.
Kelly not so much compared to Riley. Freeman is an excellent recruiter, a players coach, and no doubt was a big factor for keeping that team together.
You're saying Kelly isn't a good recruiter?
That won't fly 'round these parts.
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You're saying Kelly isn't a good recruiter?
That won't fly 'round these parts.
Not really. Great coach, OK recruiter.
LSU doesn't need a recruiter. They need a guy that can coach. Ed O was a recruiter- awful coach.
BK will hire guys like Freeman that are ace recruiters and help him get the talent he needs.
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How much does a head coach have to do with recruiting? I know Spurrier didn't like it, at all, can't blame him.
My notion is some assistants handle most of the contact and the HC comes in to make an impression later.
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Italian restaurant last night had a bleu cheese guacamole that they were serving atop a ribeye.
Uhh, whut?!
I got the seafood pasta.
Boss ordered three bottles of wine for the 9 people at the table. That's... Not enough.
Wow. Not nearly.
My boss is French. We haven't gotten together since the pandemic of course, but before then it was regular, and suffice to say, having too little wine was never a problem.
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Also, bleu cheese on top of a steak can be magnificent.
Don't ruin it with guacamole. I don't hate avocado but I'd probably consider it the most overrated of all fruits.
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I wouldn't have pegged the avocado as a fruit. Weird.
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I wouldn't have pegged the avocado as a fruit. Weird.
I actually looked it up because I know how ticky-tacky some of you internet jackwagons can be when someone makes even the slightest mistake.
:)
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That's when you are supposed to confidently state that it is a legume.
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Italian restaurant last night had a bleu cheese guacamole that they were serving atop a ribeye.
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Italian restaurant last night had a bleu cheese guacamole that they were serving atop a ribeye.
I got the seafood pasta.
Boss ordered three bottles of wine for the 9 people at the table. That's... Not enough.
guac on a steak might get you shot here
I'd get the seafood in Cali as well
3 bottles of wine would be fine if 6 of the men were drinkin beer or whiskey
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Even a BUD,agreed why crap up a good steak.Knock it's horns off wipe it's ass and get it to the table
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some flavorings for a good steak don't F up the intent, but they aren't really needed
Bone Marrow Butter Bath
Cognac Butter & Portabella Mushroom Ragout
Black Truffle Butter
Béarnaise
my fav steakhouse doesn't offer any of these options
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Lot of things you can bathe in that potion - a good steak shouldn't be one of them
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agreed
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I don't see no cacio in that rice recipe!
Lol, no there is not.
For the pasta, same ingredients, just add the grated pecorino romano. Then call it something fancy, instead of "buttered noodles with cheese".
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Football Scoop and the OWH* are reporting that Mickey Joseph has accepted a position on Scott Frost’s staff and that a deal is being finalized.
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https://twitter.com/JeffDarlington/status/1466602743573856262?t=zsGJxUDmiIkeAU2Ja7lFOg&s=19
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Lol, no there is not.
For the pasta, same ingredients, just add the grated pecorino romano. Then call it something fancy, instead of "buttered noodles with cheese".
There's no butter in cacio e pepe.
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https://twitter.com/JeffDarlington/status/1466602743573856262?t=zsGJxUDmiIkeAU2Ja7lFOg&s=19
Next step, castrate some livestock?
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There's no butter in cacio e pepe.
There's also no crying in baseball.
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Brian Kelly develops Southernish accent overnight:
https://twitter.com/TremendousUM/status/1466601734588059653 (https://twitter.com/TremendousUM/status/1466601734588059653)
Nick Saban did the same thing when he was introduced as LSU's new coach.
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There's no butter in cacio e pepe.
My family has always made it with butter.
Do you use olive oil instead?
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Italian restaurant last night had a bleu cheese guacamole that they were serving atop a ribeye.
Uhh, whut?!
I got the seafood pasta.
Boss ordered three bottles of wine for the 9 people at the table. That's... Not enough.
You know where you are, right?
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I wonder how the fan base feels about Kelly. My guess is something like "Hum, he's not a very nice person but he wins, so OK."
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I wonder how the fan base feels about Kelly. My guess is something like "Hum, he's not a very nice person but he wins, so OK."
Probably similar to how UNC basketball fans viewed Roy Williams.
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Winning covers almost anything.
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At least he didn't email somebody a gay joke over a decade ago.
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At least he didn't email somebody a gay joke over a decade ago.
He may have of course. I'd guess nearly all of us have said a gay joke at some point. My gay friends have some good ones.
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No amount of winning will save him if that transgression surfaces.
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It's official. Marcus Freeman is Notre Dame's Head Coach.
https://twitter.com/NDFootball/status/1466754340224385036 (https://twitter.com/NDFootball/status/1466754340224385036)
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At least he didn't email somebody a gay joke over a decade ago.
Lmao. Yeah....but he did kill a guy.....but the private email gay joke is worse imo.
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He may have of course. I'd guess nearly all of us have said a gay joke at some point. My gay friends have some good ones.
I don't think Gruden was actually calling Goodell gay. I think he was more or less calling him a bitch, a pussy, a....faggot. Doesn't necessarily mean he's calling the guy gay. Words have more than one meaning. Even derogatory ones. Gruden obviously knows that Goodell isn't a gay man. But what he also does know is that Goodell is a slimy phony piece of shit bitchboy.
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My family has always made it with butter.
Do you use olive oil instead?
There are 4 ingredients in cacio e pepe. Water, pasta, cheese, pepper. Butter and/or olive oil are cheating. Romans would bite their thumb at you, sir!
The key is that you need starchy pasta, cooked in barely enough water to cook the pasta, so that you end up with a VERY starchy water. That emulsifies the cheese into a sauce. Butter/olive oil shouldn't be necessary.
(My actual recipe uses butter and olive oil. It's really hard to get enough starch with some Barilla or other grocery store brand pasta. But I'm looking to try it with starchy pasta from the Italian market next time and omit the cheater ingredients.)
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Cacio e Pepe Recipe | Bon Appétit (bonappetit.com) (https://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/cacio-e-pepe)
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Kosher salt
6
oz. pasta (such as egg tagliolini, bucatini, or spaghetti)
3
Tbsp. unsalted butter, cubed, divided
1
tsp. freshly cracked black pepper
¾
cup finely grated Grana Padano or Parmesan
⅓
cup finely grated Pecorino
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There are 4 ingredients in cacio e pepe. Water, pasta, cheese, pepper. Butter and/or olive oil are cheating. Romans would bite their thumb at you, sir!
The key is that you need starchy pasta, cooked in barely enough water to cook the pasta, so that you end up with a VERY starchy water. That emulsifies the cheese into a sauce. Butter/olive oil shouldn't be necessary.
(My actual recipe uses butter and olive oil. It's really hard to get enough starch with some Barilla or other grocery store brand pasta. But I'm looking to try it with starchy pasta from the Italian market next time and omit the cheater ingredients.)
Yeah well the Italians are horrified at our Americanized abomination of "meat sauce" where we add meat to the red tomato sauces, but they can have my Sunday gravy when they pry it from my chubby, dead, American fingers.
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A good friend is visiting from France now, he's a professor of mathematics who does work at Tech several months out of a year. He says there isn't any "real French" food in the US. I suspect there isn't any real Italian food either. The Mexican restaurants are all authentic.
Anyway, he says the ingredients are just not the same here, and even French chefs tailor their cuisine to American tastes. Our favorite French restaurant has a French chef and owners. My wife likes it a lot, but she says it too is Americanized. It's quite good and I probably lack the discernment to know.
We have some really good Italian places around us, and a new Persian restaurant is about to open up he street called Rumi's.
Future Openings - Rumi’s Kitchen (rumiskitchen.com) (https://www.rumiskitchen.com/future)
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A good friend is visiting from France now, he's a professor of mathematics who does work at Tech several months out of a year. He says there isn't any "real French" food in the US. I suspect there isn't any real Italian food either. The Mexican restaurants are all authentic.
Anyway, he says the ingredients are just not the same here, and even French chefs tailor their cuisine to American tastes. Our favorite French restaurant has a French chef and owners. My wife likes it a lot, but she says it too is Americanized. It's quite good and I probably lack the discernment to know.
We have some really good Italian places around us, and a new Persian restaurant is about to open up he street called Rumi's.
Future Openings - Rumi’s Kitchen (rumiskitchen.com) (https://www.rumiskitchen.com/future)
Yeah I don't know. We have several good French restaurants here in Austin, and they all taste authentic and comparable to what I've eaten during the many months I've spent working/living over there.
There are also plenty of Italian restaurants here that specialize in Italy-Italian, and they tend to focus by region. What's common and popular in Tuscany isn't really anywhere close to what they eat in the South or in Sicily. And the Ligurian coast has its own unique wine and cuisine. What I've had at our local Tuscan-inspired restaurants is very true to what I had in that same region in Italy.
Americanized NY/NJ style Italian is something else entirely, but we all know it's not really true Italy-Italian food and I've never really heard anyone claim it to be such.
I suppose it's possible that my palate simply can't pick up the differences, but I also think that pride and nationalism come into play. It's not all that different than a Texan claiming it's impossible for anyone outside of the state lines to make good BBQ. In reality, I've had good BBQ as far away as Sunnyvale, CA.
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Most people in America have never had Chinese food either. They've had American Chinese food, which is quite heavily different from Chinese food.
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Most people in America have never had Chinese food either. They've had American Chinese food, which is quite heavily different from Chinese food.
I think that's true but it's not necessarily because it's not available. If you look around most large metropolitan areas, you can find authentic Chinese food. I used to bring in my vendors from Foxconn, Compal, and some others, for week-long Quarterly Business Reviews. They always liked to hit up the BBQ and Tex-Mex places, but they also always wanted to have one meal at this local Chinese place right next to our headquarters. They loved it, and told me that it was very authentic. They were often surprised because I told them just to order whatever they felt like, I wasn't afraid to try anything, and in general I liked all of it.
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Yeah well the Italians are horrified at our Americanized abomination of "meat sauce" where we add meat to the red tomato sauces, but they can have my Sunday gravy when they pry it from my chubby, dead, American fingers.
Oh man I agree 100%. I need to make a meat sauce now. Looks like that will be Sundays dinner.
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And tomatoes weren't even indigenous to Europe, they were brought back from South America by the Spanish, so the Italians can go jump in a lake if they think they own the only proper ways to use that particular food.
Now, if the Aztecs come along and tell me I'm doing it wrong, I might listen.
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There are 4 ingredients in cacio e pepe. Water, pasta, cheese, pepper. Butter and/or olive oil are cheating. Romans would bite their thumb at you, sir!
The key is that you need starchy pasta, cooked in barely enough water to cook the pasta, so that you end up with a VERY starchy water. That emulsifies the cheese into a sauce. Butter/olive oil shouldn't be necessary.
(My actual recipe uses butter and olive oil. It's really hard to get enough starch with some Barilla or other grocery store brand pasta. But I'm looking to try it with starchy pasta from the Italian market next time and omit the cheater ingredients.)
so, it's a fancy starch/carbs with cheese seasoned with salt and pepper?
Could just have a potato or hunk of bread
or rice!!!
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And tomatoes weren't even indigenous to Europe, they were brought back from South America by the Spanish, so the Italians can go jump in a lake if they think they own the only proper ways to use that particular food.
Now, if the Aztecs come along and tell me I'm doing it wrong, I might listen.
you don't listen to anyone
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Yeah well the Italians are horrified at our Americanized abomination of "meat sauce" where we add meat to the red tomato sauces, but they can have my Sunday gravy when they pry it from my chubby, dead, American fingers.
Ha. So true. And as you said- Italian food is so regionalized.
Here is a great cookbook from Northern Italy where my grandparents were from. Exquisite recipes- and like most authentic Italian food-quite simple.
The red meat sauce that I make is probably a couple hundred years old, very simple, and something I have yet to taste in any restaurant.
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Would you rather have great Italian or great French food for every meal?
I really like good spaghetti.
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Ha. So true. And as you said- Italian food is so regionalized.
Here is a great cookbook from Northern Italy where my grandparents were from. Exquisite recipes- and like most authentic Italian food-quite simple.
The red meat sauce that I make is probably a couple hundred years old, very simple, and something I have yet to taste in any restaurant.
Very cool, thanks, I might buy that for myself for Christmas. I love cooking Italian food, I find it to be very approachable.
Here's an Amazon link, be sure to go through this website for anyone that wants to order! :)
https://www.amazon.com/Friuli-Food-Wine-Mountains-Vineyards/dp/0399580611/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3GXV3LUZEKPLT&keywords=friuli+food+and+wine+cookbook&qid=1638546595&s=books&sprefix=fruili+%2Cstripbooks%2C235&sr=1-2
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FRIED JING KUNG (hcfoods.net) (http://www.hcfoods.net/FRIED-JING-KUNG_p_31.html)
Amazon.com : Jing Kung Fried (Fried Criket Snacks) - 1.05oz [Pack of 1] : Everything Else (https://www.amazon.com/jing-kung-fried-criket-snacks/dp/b00ihrhzsi)
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Would you rather have great Italian or great French food for every meal?
I really like good spaghetti.
I really don't have much experience with French food unfortunately.
There was a very good french place here in the area of 100,000 people, but it was too expensive for this river town to survive. My daughters and I enjoyed it, but only a handful of times before it closed down.
I've been to a French place in Omaha that I thought was good, but only a few times. Again, a bit expensive.
Just many more Italian options
I understand why you would have much more experience with French dining
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I think that's true but it's not necessarily because it's not available. If you look around most large metropolitan areas, you can find authentic Chinese food. I used to bring in my vendors from Foxconn, Compal, and some others, for week-long Quarterly Business Reviews. They always liked to hit up the BBQ and Tex-Mex places, but they also always wanted to have one meal at this local Chinese place right next to our headquarters. They loved it, and told me that it was very authentic. They were often surprised because I told them just to order whatever they felt like, I wasn't afraid to try anything, and in general I liked all of it.
Agreed. You have to search out the authentic stuff.
My point was that most people don't even know that what they call "Chinese" food is a completely made up Americanized version of Chinese food and not authentic at all.
Just as most people in this country think of the NY/NJ "Italian" food that has promulgated throughout the country as actually Italian, when it's a made up Americanized version of Italian food.
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I'll take Italian over French any time.
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I'd probably choose Italian if I could only eat that the rest of my life.
Don't tell my wife.
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i used to like most of you and consider y'all friends. @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) being the exception.
after reading some of the stuff you guys eat and how you eat it, i'm not so sure anymore. again, @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) being the exception. :)
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so, it's a fancy starch/carbs with cheese seasoned with salt and pepper?
Could just have a potato or hunk of bread
or rice!!!
Done right, it's pasta with a rich creamy sauce that you'd swear had cream or other ingredients in it, but it doesn't. Amazingly simple, but sublime.
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I'll take Italian over French any time.
I'd probably choose Italian if I could only eat that the rest of my life.
Don't tell my wife.
I'd choose Italian if I'm the one cooking, and French if a chef's doing all the dirty work. :)
I'd definitely choose French wine and cheese above all others.
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i used to like most of you and consider y'all friends. @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) being the exception.
after reading some of the stuff you guys eat and how you eat it, i'm not so sure anymore. again, @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) being the exception. :)
...and that's fair...
:)
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Ha. So true. And as you said- Italian food is so regionalized.
Here is a great cookbook from Northern Italy where my grandparents were from. Exquisite recipes- and like most authentic Italian food-quite simple.
The red meat sauce that I make is probably a couple hundred years old, very simple, and something I have yet to taste in any restaurant.
We had some really good food in Trieste. I'm gonna get that book.
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My point was that most people don't even know that what they call "Chinese" food is a completely made up Americanized version of Chinese food and not authentic at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Search_for_General_Tso
Eating cacio e pepe in Rome is one of life's great foods.
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I'd choose Italian if I'm the one cooking, and French if a chef's doing all the dirty work. :)
I'd definitely choose French wine and cheese above all others.
Man, I don't know. I just ordered a case from this place. It's absolutely wonderful.
Home - La Sala (https://www.lasala.it/site/?lang=en)
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https://twitter.com/JoeyMulinaro/status/1466789400042483715?s=20
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Agreed. You have to search out the authentic stuff.
My point was that most people don't even know that what they call "Chinese" food is a completely made up Americanized version of Chinese food and not authentic at all.
Just as most people in this country think of the NY/NJ "Italian" food that has promulgated throughout the country as actually Italian, when it's a made up Americanized version of Italian food.
We "know" we just don't care.
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Man, I don't know. I just ordered a case from this place. It's absolutely wonderful.
Home - La Sala (https://www.lasala.it/site/?lang=en)
I've spent a lot of time in both countries. Italy certainly has some good wines.
But French wine is just so much better across the board. I don't really think it's even close to be honest.
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And tomatoes weren't even indigenous to Europe, they were brought back from South America by the Spanish, so the Italians can go jump in a lake if they think they own the only proper ways to use that particular food.
Now, if the Aztecs come along and tell me I'm doing it wrong, I might listen.
The Aztecs might sacrifice you to the tomato God if you're doing it wrong.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Search_for_General_Tso
Eating cacio e pepe in Rome is one of life's great foods.
Yeah, I've watched The Search for General Tso. Good stuff.
And yeah, my wife and I got cacio e pepe and a pizza at a sidewalk restaurant in Rome and although the pizza was delicious, we felt like we should have just ordered two [hell, or more] helpings of cacio e pepe. It was amazing.
We "know" we just don't care.
That's fair. It was obviously tailored to American tastes, which is why nearly everything in American Chinese food is covered in huge quantities of sweet sugary sauce.
If that's what y'all are into...
I've spent a lot of time in both countries. Italy certainly has some good wines.
But French wine is just so much better across the board. I don't really think it's even close to be honest.
French wines are more romantic, but American wines consistently fare better in blind tastings...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Paris_(wine)#Tasting_replications
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That's fair. It was obviously tailored to American tastes, which is why nearly everything in American Chinese food is covered in huge quantities of sweet sugary sauce.
Yeah, I'll take Kung Pao Chicken over Kung Pao Kitten anyday.
Heap that cheese on my taco while you are at it. I want the cheese to occupy more than 50% of the overall volume, if that's not too much trouble.
Meat in the meat sauce? Not good enough, I want meatballs. Big ones, and lots of them. I don't even want to be able to see what's underneath.
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French wines are more romantic, but American wines consistently fare better in blind tastings...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Paris_(wine)#Tasting_replications
Yeah, no thanks. California wines are a distant, DISTANT 5th or 6th place for me. Like, after France, Italy, Spain, Argentina, Texas, North Dakota, Guam...
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I can't lump California wines under some massive generalization. Many better known brands are over priced, that's true for most things. I have had some lesser known ones that are truly exceptional. Steltzner made some incredible wines when he had his place. But if you buy Silver Oak, you could buy another brand at 2/3rds the price as good or better.
I like Far Niente a lot when I feel like affording them. Nickel and Nickel as well, same outfit. The great French wines almost all really need 25 years laying down to really be excellent, though that is changing I'm told.
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Very cool, thanks, I might buy that for myself for Christmas. I love cooking Italian food, I find it to be very approachable.
Here's an Amazon link, be sure to go through this website for anyone that wants to order! :)
https://www.amazon.com/Friuli-Food-Wine-Mountains-Vineyards/dp/0399580611/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3GXV3LUZEKPLT&keywords=friuli+food+and+wine+cookbook&qid=1638546595&s=books&sprefix=fruili+%2Cstripbooks%2C235&sr=1-2
Page 105 is my favorite! Great for a cool day or Sunday meal. If any one wants the recipe before the book on me!
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I'll take that recipe.
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I'll take that recipe.
Just buy the book. If you buy it through Amazon linked to this site, I hear you get a huge kickback. Basically should be free, for you. ;)
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I'll take that recipe.
On its way. Look for a PM.
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Just buy the book. If you buy it through Amazon linked to this site, I hear you get a huge kickback. Basically should be free, for you. ;)
We don't do Amazon here anymore. To much censorship and crap.
Seriously...
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I'd go for Mediterranean (Greek, Syrian, Lebanese, Israel) over Italian and or French.
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Cajun Creole or Texan for me
I like it spicy
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I'd go for Mediterranean (Greek, Syrian, Lebanese, Israel) over Italian and or French.
Yeah, I like that style also, but not quite as much as Italian, for me. Italian is quite varied as noted. Pasta was "invented" in China.
So was paper.
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Tomatoes from America, noodles from China... sounds like "authentic" Italian is about as inauthentic as can be. What did those MFers eat before globalization?
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Tomatoes from America, noodles from China... sounds like "authentic" Italian is about as inauthentic as can be. What did those MFers eat before globalization?
according to reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/bqysah/what_did_italians_eat_before_pasta_and_tomatoes/), they just threw a bunch of shit in milk and ate it. polenta, stale rye bread, rice, capers, chesnuts, olives...
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Alright Alpha Beta, put your money where your mouth is and eat some of that stale bread in spoilt milk slop with olives and chestnuts floating in it. Otherwise yer just a poseur.
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We all borrow food items, words, phrase, etc., n'est pa?
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Tomatoes from America, noodles from China... sounds like "authentic" Italian is about as inauthentic as can be. What did those MFers eat before globalization?
Buckeyes
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Buckeyes
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Yeah, no thanks. California wines are a distant, DISTANT 5th or 6th place for me. Like, after France, Italy, Spain, Argentina, Texas, North Dakota, Guam...
I can't lump California wines under some massive generalization. Many better known brands are over priced, that's true for most things. I have had some lesser known ones that are truly exceptional. Steltzner made some incredible wines when he had his place. But if you buy Silver Oak, you could buy another brand at 2/3rds the price as good or better.
I like Far Niente a lot when I feel like affording them. Nickel and Nickel as well, same outfit. The great French wines almost all really need 25 years laying down to really be excellent, though that is changing I'm told.
There ya go. Just like you can't lump any wines from any country [incl. France] under some massive generalization.
I've never been a big oaky Cab guy. So I'm not a huge Bordeaux or Napa Cab guy. I'm more of a Sonoma Zin guy, particularly the Dry Creek Valley appelation. I'm a fan of some GSMs, which I understand are more common in the Rhone area in France than Bordeaux, and are bigger in Paso Robles for CA than Napa/Sonoma. I don't drink a lot of white; buttery Chard is horrific to me, but I like clean dry whites. Pinot Grigio or a dry Riesling are great.
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Alright Alpha Beta, put your money where your mouth is and eat some of that stale bread in spoilt milk slop with olives and chestnuts floating in it. Otherwise yer just a poseur.
I'll bet there are some good versions of it out there.
I didn't see it on the menus in Rome, Cinque Terre, or Florence though...
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I hope you find some in your xmas stocking
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There ya go. Just like you can't lump any wines from any country [incl. France] under some massive generalization.
I've never been a big oaky Cab guy. So I'm not a huge Bordeaux or Napa Cab guy. I'm more of a Sonoma Zin guy, particularly the Dry Creek Valley appelation. I'm a fan of some GSMs, which I understand are more common in the Rhone area in France than Bordeaux, and are bigger in Paso Robles for CA than Napa/Sonoma. I don't drink a lot of white; buttery Chard is horrific to me, but I like clean dry whites. Pinot Grigio or a dry Riesling are great.
I think some of the Washington wines blow Cali out of the water.
I too am a Zin fan, and Cali has that locked down.
Try the Inzinerator and Barbera from this place:
Scott Harvey Wines - Homepage (https://www.scottharveywines.com/)
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I hope you find some in your xmas stocking
Yuck.
Chocolate and Peanut Butter are each fine on their own, but together? There's not enough toothpaste in America to scrub that foul taste out of my mouth.
They look cool though. A fine work of culinary artistry.
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GSMs are from the Rhone. None in Bordeaux or Burgundy.
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The most expensive US wine is Sauvignon Blanc.
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Yuck.
Chocolate and Peanut Butter are each fine on their own, but together? There's not enough toothpaste in America to scrub that foul taste out of my mouth.
You're the worst.
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You're the worst.
Yes, I am like a human Reese's Peanut Butter Cup.
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Yeah well the Italians are horrified at our Americanized abomination of "meat sauce" where we add meat to the red tomato sauces, but they can have my Sunday gravy when they pry it from my chubby, dead, American fingers.
they absolutely do make a ragu in Southern Italy and Sicily very similar to American-ized "meat sauce" or "gravy" - there are some differences but it's pretty damn close actually.
the big difference is in the bolognese sauce- American's call anything with meat in it bolognese - and they make it with spaghetti- and they overload it with tomato. this is blasphemy in italy. a true bolognese in italy has very little tomato and in some receipes no tomato- just tomato paste- it's made with celery, onion, and carrot as the base- meats are usually ground beef, ground pork, ground veal and maybe ground beef heart or ground chicken heart- NO garlic- NO basil or parsley- and it would never in a million years be made with spaghetti as the pasta- spaghetti is too thin and with no ridges and does not catch the meat. they pretty much ONLY make bolognese with pappardelle or tagliatelle- usually fresh made pasta- but it can be dried.
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Would you rather have great Italian or great French food for every meal?
I really like good spaghetti.
Italian. Not even close. And I love French food.
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I'll take Italian over French any time.
Amen brother.
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Done right, it's pasta with a rich creamy sauce that you'd swear had cream or other ingredients in it, but it doesn't. Amazingly simple, but sublime.
cacio e pepe is maybe my favorite pasta when done correct.
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they absolutely do make a ragu in Southern Italy and Sicily very similar to American-ized "meat sauce" or "gravy" - there are some differences but it's pretty damn close actually.
the big difference is in the bolognese sauce- American's call anything with meat in it bolognese - and they make it with spaghetti- and they overload it with tomato. this is blasphemy in italy. a true bolognese in italy has very little tomato and in some receipes no tomato- just tomato paste- it's made with celery, onion, and carrot as the base- meats are usually ground beef, ground pork, ground veal and maybe ground beef heart or ground chicken heart- NO garlic- NO basil or parsley- and it would never in a million years be made with spaghetti as the pasta- spaghetti is too thin and with no ridges and does not catch the meat. they pretty much ONLY make bolognese with pappardelle or tagliatelle- usually fresh made pasta- but it can be dried.
All correct!
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There is an Italian chicken dish made with a lot of lemon that I really like when I find it, I can't recall the name.
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There is an Italian chicken dish made with a lot of lemon that I really like when I find it, I can't recall the name.
Chicken Piccata
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Francaise too. I make that a lot, with chicken, veal or grouper.
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Francaise too. I make that a lot, with chicken, veal or grouper.
Well that doesn't sound very Italian.
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I hope you find some in your xmas stocking
That's Christmas,you heathen
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Now I'm hungry.
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Would you rather have great Italian or great French food for every meal?
American Dagwoods - over the sink
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Now I'm hungry.
Going out for authentic Italian for my bday tonight. I always think I'm gonna branch out and get something else, but I'm pretty sure it'll end up being the osso buco.
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For you're Birthday we'll all be migrating to Austin
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There is an Italian chicken dish made with a lot of lemon that I really like when I find it, I can't recall the name.
I like to use some lemon pepper for seasoning on chicken
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For you're Birthday we'll all be migrating to Austin
I think you know better. As you always say, all our beer down here sucks.
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Akron indeed hires Joe Moorhead. Heck of a nice hire there.
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Akron indeed hires Joe Moorhead. Heck of a nice hire there.
is it though? The more closely you scrutinize Joe Moorehead- the less there is to like.
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Eh, it's Akron.
I love lemon pepper wings. And garlic parmesean.
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Akron indeed hires Joe Moorhead. Heck of a nice hire there.
Helluva OC we'll see if he can get it together as a HC.Tough place to rehabilitate those skills though
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is it though? The more closely you scrutinize Joe Moorehead- the less there is to like.
What am I missing? The only "failure" was two average years at Mississippi State, who went on to have two average years after he was canned. Otherwise, strong at Fordham, strong at PSU, and strong at Oregon.
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is it though? The more closely you scrutinize Joe Moorehead- the less there is to like.
Why's that?
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I think you know better. As you always say, all our beer down here sucks.
Free market. Once you get enough people with good taste they'll start stocking better beer.
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Well that doesn't sound very Italian.
But, it is. I've had it in Rome. It's their way of Frenching things up a bit.
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So inauthentic French food made by Italians is fine, but inauthentic Italian food that comes from Jersey is for rubes?
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I never said that.
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i used to like most of you and consider y'all friends. @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) being the exception.
after reading some of the stuff you guys eat and how you eat it, i'm not so sure anymore. again, @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) being the exception. :)
I could never be friends with somebody who says "you guys."
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I'd go for Mediterranean (Greek, Syrian, Lebanese, Israel) over Italian and or French.
If forced to choose between Italian and French cuisine, I'd pick Cajun.
"foreign food" to me means that weird stuff people cook north of the mason-dixon.
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Americanized pizza is superior. Italian pizza looks like they're rationing the good stuff.
Americanized chinese food is superior. Legit chinese has gross textures and/or tastes like fish sauce.
Idk what french food is, besides wine, cheese, and bread that hurts my gums.
And nothing is better than good BBQ.
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Yeah, I'll take foreign food catered to my "palette" as an American. Pretending to have the same "taste" as someone that spent their whole life in China, Italy or Mexico seems silly to me. But to each their own.
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The best meals I've had dining out are in France. Even the casual places there often are superb (once you're away from tourists). They don't have many chains which is good in my opinion, chains are boring (to me), though useful when you're driving and need something quick. I had some great meals in Italy also but haven't been there nearly as much. And there isn't anything wrong with Americanized foreign food, it's just interesting how it's different. Different does not mean worse inherently.
We were friends with the top chef in Cincy, he is French, and he said the ingredients here are different, he said the beef here is way better, and I agree, but other things were difficult to find. His restaurant food is "Americanized" but very good.
Jean-Robert de Cavel - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Robert_de_Cavel)
I fixed lunch for him once, he said usually folks try and make something super fancy and it doesn't work. I grilled some steelhead and he said it was great.
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Americanized pizza is superior. Italian pizza looks like they're rationing the good stuff.
Americanized chinese food is superior. Legit chinese has gross textures and/or tastes like fish sauce.
Idk what french food is, besides wine, cheese, and bread that hurts my gums.
And nothing is better than good BBQ.
I don't often agree with OAM, but when I do, it's about BBQ.
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I don't agree that nothing is better than BBQ at all. I get hungry on nothing, though it's cheaper.
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I don't agree that nothing is better than BBQ at all. I get hungry on nothing, though it's cheaper.
Ha!
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Fro probably likes his BBQ with coleslaw on it.
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Or BBQ Sauce
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sounding like Venables to OU might be announced today.
https://twitter.com/ClowESPN/status/1467479668920139779?s=20
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USA Today reporting the same thing now…
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2021/12/05/brent-venables-oklahoma-coach-clemson-defensive-coordinator/8878260002/
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How this impacts Clemson should be something. Wonder who Dabo goes after, and should Ryan Day go after that guy first
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Or BBQ Sauce
I very almost specified that good BBQ needs no sauce.
But I thought with this crowd, that went without saying.
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Fro probably likes his BBQ with coleslaw on it.
Only if it's lame BBQ and good slaw and I'm in the mood for it.
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How this impacts Clemson should be something. Wonder who Dabo goes after, and should Ryan Day go after that guy first
probably means they'll lose some defensive commits....maybe even one to Michigan; 4* DB Keon Sabb (6'2, 200) ranked the #80 player in the nation, #8 Safety, and #11 player in the state of Florida.
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Helluva OC we'll see if he can get it together as a HC.Tough place to rehabilitate those skills though
He's been a good HC before. Never been worse than 6-7.
That said, he didn't match MSU in a variety of ways, and he's taking over a job where failure is the standard.
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I found one good Q place here, and one is enough. They have an "outlet" across from the Sweetwater beer place, which is not too far from us. It's a small shack really with picnic tables. I'm told the barbecuing is actually done at that location in a building behind them.
The Works: About (foxbrosbbq.com) (http://www.foxbrosbbq.com/the-works/about/index.html)
The boys look like they eat a lot of Q.
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I don't care what anyone says, this sauce is hella good out of SC.
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I don't care what anyone says, this sauce is hella good out of SC.
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Y.E.S.
Even if that fella was a highly questionable at points. The food is excellent.
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Y.E.S.
Even if that fella was a bit questionable at points. The food is excellent.
Is that the same fella that some people called a space cowboy, and some called the gangster of love?
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sounds like Cristobal to Miami is happening.
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The "controversy" is cancel culture/wokester related, of course.
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Miami reportedly going to pony up $8 mil a year for Cristobal. Big mistake. Lol.
https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1467531776855838727?s=20
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Is that the same fella that some people called a space cowboy, and some called the gangster of love?
Evidently the pompitous Joker can cook
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Only if it's lame BBQ and good slaw and I'm in the mood for it.
Slaw slander shall not stand. Slaw is the superior side.
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The "controversy" is cancel culture/wokester related, of course.
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Carolina Panthers fire OC Joe Brady. Wonder if he winds up back in college.....he'd be a hell of an OC.
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These ribs are not BBQ. But they'll be delicious.
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The "controversy" is cancel culture/wokester related, of course.
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... Sort of. Cancel culture was only seen in that light years after he was six feet under.
He was generally in favor of the stuff we all feel pretty OK with canceling. The non-heritage stuff the woke folks say that flag represents.
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https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/1467537762509152256?s=20
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will be a tough task for Brent as a first time head coach
screw Clemson and Dabo
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https://twitter.com/ClowESPN/status/1467667674847186945?s=20
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Clemson's defense put up good numbers this season
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Clemson's defense put up good numbers this season
Indeed.
Their offense was a crap salad.
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I'll never understand an affinity for the rebel flag.
Even if you take slavery out of it, it's the banner for the losing side of a treasonous sect.
One could say the US flag is the same......except that we actually won. So our treason became patriotism. Sorry, but when you lose, it's still just treason and embarrassing.
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I'll never understand an affinity for the rebel flag.
Even if you take slavery out of it, it's the banner for the losing side of a treasonous sect.
One could say the US flag is the same......except that we actually won. So our treason became patriotism. Sorry, but when you lose, it's still just treason and embarrassing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5EZhXqKqN0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5EZhXqKqN0
You're right, it was cool to secede and begin a war.
Not treasonous at all.
I was wrong...because....youtube clip.
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Well part of it is that it is a pretty cool design for a flag.
If instead they'd used a Rainbow Flag, then I doubt that there'd be too many people taking pride in it.
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They would if Robert E. Lee fought under it. I meant, southern pride OR tradition OR heritage 'n shit.
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The one that they use isn't even the actual CSA Flag, because the actual CSA Flag was kind of lame.
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Case and point, Georgia had to change their's a while back because of all the blow back from having the Rebel Flag on it, but now they essentially get away with using the actual CSA flag, because it is just so unrecognizable.
Completely flies under the radar.
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Secession was very arguably not treasonous but a state right under the Ninth Amendment. The war only started when the "South" fired on Fort Sumpter. SC had seceded months before that. Lincoln COULD have withdrawn Federal troops ahead of that and let the South leave. That would have been a bad result, but so was the war.
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Did Michigan fire Harbaugh yet?
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Secession was very arguably not treasonous but a state right under the Ninth Amendment. The war only started when the "South" fired on Fort Sumpter. SC had seceded months before that. Lincoln COULD have withdrawn Federal troops ahead of that and let the South leave. That would have been a bad result, but so was the war.
Years back I watched PBS-Ken Burns "The Civil War" documentary. Some SC representative said "South Carolina is too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum"
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In my fictional books, I tried to explore a bit what would have happened had the South prevailed, aside from the obvious. Basically it was a mess in my mind, three separate countries in effect (nationally) with a fourth trying to secede.
The Confederacy, "Franklin" in the mountainous areas, the northeast, and the midwest.
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In my fictional books, I tried to explore a bit what would have happened had the South prevailed, aside from the obvious. Basically it was a mess in my mind, three separate countries in effect (nationally) with a fourth trying to secede.
The Confederacy, "Franklin" in the mountainous areas, the northeast, and the midwest.
That would have been sweet.
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It got messy. I'm considering a Book 5 where the South decides to take on Mexico or Cuba.
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thoughts on Cristobal to Miami? Not sure he's even a good coach, and not sure he's the right guy to turn that program around.
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thoughts on Cristobal to Miami? Not sure he's even a good coach, and not sure he's the right guy to turn that program around.
Certainly not as much confidence as Miami has shown. But he's a good recruiter - could see it work, I guess.
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Certainly not as much confidence as Miami has shown. But he's a good recruiter - could see it work, I guess.
he was legitimately awful as a head coach at FIU- where he would've had to do a complete re-build/build it from the ground up.
He was an interim for Oregon and took over a program that was an established program that had fallen on hard times- but just a couple year prior it was a hot program- he didn't have to really re-build it from scratch. This Miami job- is a complete rebuild.
And Miami does not have the stadium/facilities/fan-support or boosters with endless cash (*cough* Phil Knight *cough*) that Oregon has. He's going to have to talk those South Florida kids into going to Miami instead of Alabama or LSU or Ohio State. Good luck.
Miami officially just announced the firing of Manny Diaz. Looks like Cristobal to Miami should be announced officially today.
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who does Oregon go after now?
https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1467882279003635715?s=20
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$8 million. Whatcha wanna bet they pay him not to coach in 5 years?
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I hope Akron doesn't get screwed
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$8 million. Whatcha wanna bet they pay him not to coach in 5 years?
A lot. Not sure he's the right guy to rebuild a program. It's a risk if you ask me.
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I hope Akron doesn't get screwed
probably about to lose Moorehead any day now....
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what if Oregon did something really out of the box....DEION SANDERS.
They'd be able to recruit the shit out of high school players, tell ya that right now.
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what if Oregon did something really out of the box....DEION SANDERS.
They'd be able to recruit the shit out of high school players, tell ya that right now.
prime had a really good season, if you missed it.
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I would enjoy seeing Prime in the Bigs.
He makes nice commercials with Satan.
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prime had a really good season, if you missed it.
yep, think he went 11-1 at Jackson State and won some kind of league championship. He was a dominant high school head coach at a private school in Texas. Dude can coach.
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yep, think he went 11-1 at Jackson State and won some kind of league championship. He was a dominant high school head coach at a private school in Texas. Dude can coach.
Maybe? He can acquire talent at levels where his name carries all the weight, that’s for sure.
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Would an FSU guy really want to go to Miami, when he could probably go to FSU in a year?
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Would an FSU guy really want to go to Miami, when he could probably go to FSU in a year?
talking about Deion to Oregon.
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Gotcha.
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He was a dominant high school head coach at a private school in Texas. Dude can coach.
I thought he kind of bombed out as a HS coach? Didn't he start his own school, which went under, then coached somewhere else for a year or two and got fired?
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I thought he kind of bombed out as a HS coach? Didn't he start his own school, which went under, then coached somewhere else for a year or two and got fired?
I think he started his own school- but he had nothing to do with it as a coach- not sure they even had a football team. And I think there was some sort of controversy with the funding/finances of that school. It was a whole mess.
I believe when he got into coaching he was coaching at an established very expensive private christian high school that his kids went to school at. I want to say they only lost 1 game and won 3 state championships in the 3 or 4 years Deion coached them.
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I believe when he got into coaching he was coaching at an established very expensive private christian high school that his kids went to school at. I want to say they only lost 1 game and won 3 state championships in the 3 or 4 years Deion coached them.
He was the OC, not HC.
From some modest research, it appears they played in a division with 24 total teams, all private schools. So on the one hand, wins are wins. But on the other, when you can recruit and kids want to come play for Deion Sanders, it's gonna make it pretty easy to talent a team to the top.
But it would be fun to watch. Sanders made a show of it this year. He also had four four-stars and 14 three-stars on an FCS team, so they might have had a considerable talent edge.
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Certainly not as much confidence as Miami has shown. But he's a good recruiter - could see it work, I guess.
But who doesn’t recruit well to Miami? From Larry Coker to Randy Shannon to Al Golden to Manny Diaz, Miami recruits itself. Yes Cristobal can recruit, as he did very well to Oregon, but not since Butch Davis (skipping Ritch who wasn’t there enough) has Miami had a coach devoted to top notch game planning or talent development. Despite the talent advantage Cristobal held at Oregon, Ducks fan will be the first to say how sorely Cristobal was outcoached 4 to 5 times a season in pretty much a crap conference. Meaning it’s already looking like Cristobal is a much higher paid repeat of Coker-Shannon-Golden-Diaz.
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But who doesn’t recruit well to Miami? From Larry Coker to Randy Shannon to Al Golden to Manny Diaz, Miami recruits itself. Yes Cristobal can recruit, as he did very well to Oregon, but not since Butch Davis (skipping Ritch who wasn’t there enough) has Miami had a coach devoted to top notch game planning or talent development. Despite the talent advantage Cristobal held at Oregon, Ducks fan will be the first to say how sorely Cristobal was outcoached 4 to 5 times a season in pretty much a crap conference. Meaning it’s already looking like Cristobal is a much higher paid repeat of Coker-Shannon-Golden-Diaz.
Hey, I'm not saying it's a great decision to outlay that much money for a guy who has been somewhat up and down. But the recruiting has been ok for Miami, which isn't good enough. When was the last time they had a top 5 class?
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Been meaning to say re: Mickey Joseph to Nebraska, maybe that'll be a recruiting boon for the Huskers. Dude was a meh WR coach imo--didn't help that he was hired with no WR coaching experience and somebody else was actually coaching WRs for a while--but he was hired for his recruiting ties to NOLA, which LSU sorely needed. He did that job very well, and for a guy whose heart was always with his alma mater deep down, he worked his butt off for LSU. Strikes me as a very high character guy. He was interviewed on a local coverage podcast a couple days ago and sounds like everything was handled well all the way around. He's a hustler as a recruiter, and may get NU some Louisiana kids.
LSU needs to act to get somebody in to try to keep NOLA shored up....that city is definitely its own thing, whatever sway people assume LSU has there via proximity and/or being the state flagship, they don't. Those high school coaches almost seem like they try to actively steer their kids away from Baton Rouge and aren't quick to help us out any. Unless you play their silly games, which Joseph knew how to do as a hometown guy, and even then the attitude is still pretty meh. Despite how good Miles and his staffs recruited, that area deteriorated under him and one thing O got right was bringing in Joseph to fix that.
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This is bonkers.
USC......OU.......LSU........ND.......Florida.... ..Miami.......now Oregon.......
Matt Campbell is still in Ames.
Kiffin is still in Oxford.
Vrabel is still in Cincinnati.
Bananas.
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This is bonkers.
USC......OU.......LSU........ND.......Florida.... ..Miami.......now Oregon.......
Matt Campbell is still in Ames.
Kiffin is still in Oxford.
Vrabel is still in Cincinnati.
Bananas.
yeah it really is absolutely insane.
USC, OU, LSU, ND, Florida, Miami, & Oregon....all have new coaches in the same off-season. Never seen anything like it.
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I'm thinking Miami made a mistake. A common mistake nearly every program makes - they got a 'Miami guy.'
Do these former players produce at a better rate? Has anyone studied this? I'll take a wild guess and say no....and I'd go further and guesstimate they do worse.
And I know, I'm a Gator and Spurrier was a Gator and he won a NC.
But Urban Meyer was the dot in O-h-i-o and won 2 with Florida.
A guy can either get it done or he can't - the idea that you need a former player from your school is truly odd and should have expired back in the 1950s.
Back to Miami.
Their HC's Ducks got emasculated by Utah. Twice. Beaten like a dead horse. I recall Cristobal being a lineman at Miami....and that makes it worse!!!
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yeah it really is absolutely insane.
USC, OU, LSU, ND, Florida, Miami, & Oregon....all have new coaches in the same off-season. Never seen anything like it.
Few yrs back FLA/UCLA/UNL 2 of those 3 hires are gone,there was another opening in there.But ya this is the mother lode for chaos
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I'm thinking Miami made a mistake. A common mistake nearly every program makes - they got a 'Miami guy.'
Do these former players produce at a better rate? Has anyone studied this? I'll take a wild guess and say no....and I'd go further and guesstimate they do worse.
And I know, I'm a Gator and Spurrier was a Gator and he won a NC.
But Urban Meyer was the dot in O-h-i-o and won 2 with Florida.
A guy can either get it done or he can't - the idea that you need a former player from your school is truly odd and should have expired back in the 1950s.
Back to Miami.
Their HC's Ducks got emasculated by Utah. Twice. Beaten like a dead horse. I recall Cristobal being a lineman at Miami....and that makes it worse!!!
Michigan made that mistake with Brady Hoke, who wasn't a former player but a former long-time assistant coach under Lloyd Carr. They went for a "Michigan Man" - and well, didn't work out so well.
Mark Richt was a "Miami guy" and Manny Diaz is from the city of Miami and had been an assistant coach at the school before becoming head coach. Those didn't work out too hot for them.
I agree with you. Ya just need a good coach. Doesn't matter where he's from. I have major doubts about Cristobal. I think the PAC coach they should've went after was Chip Kelly.
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Few yrs back FLA/UCLA/UNL 2 of those 3 hires are gone,there was another opening in there.But ya this is the mother lode for chaos
The fact that Mullen is gone and Frost still has a job shows how far UNL has fallen.
34-15 vs 15-29
Jesus Christ, their records are practically inverted and it wasn't good enough for Mullen to keep his job. It's unconscionable to me that a helmet program would have a HC go 15-29 and think, "yeah, let's keep him around."
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I'm thinking Miami made a mistake. A common mistake nearly every program makes - they got a 'Miami guy.'
Do these former players produce at a better rate? Has anyone studied this? I'll take a wild guess and say no....and I'd go further and guesstimate they do worse.
And I know, I'm a Gator and Spurrier was a Gator and he won a NC.
But Urban Meyer was the dot in O-h-i-o and won 2 with Florida.
A guy can either get it done or he can't - the idea that you need a former player from your school is truly odd and should have expired back in the 1950s.
Back to Miami.
Their HC's Ducks got emasculated by Utah. Twice. Beaten like a dead horse. I recall Cristobal being a lineman at Miami....and that makes it worse!!!
Agreed. Getting a guy who played for your program is not any more likely to result in success...
...BUT it might mean that if he's successful, hell stick around a while, instead of bolting to the next shiny job.
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this Lincoln Riley experiment going to work out wonderfully lol
https://twitter.com/TheWilliamRamos/status/1468072493214744576?s=20
https://twitter.com/jga41agher/status/1468297411240280064?s=20
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0% chance that was the weirdest thing that happened in Hollywood today
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https://twitter.com/JuwanWeTrust/status/1468400778708672512?s=20
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Riley already in some hot water for recruiting players to USC on Oklahoma's dime.
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Nothing's going to happen,because nothing ever happens to violators who have coin or connections.I hope you right though if he stooped to that
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Nothing's going to happen,because nothing ever happens to violators who have coin or connections.I hope you right though if he stooped to that
I see what you did there
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I'm thinking Miami made a mistake. A common mistake nearly every program makes - they got a 'Miami guy.'
Do these former players produce at a better rate? Has anyone studied this? I'll take a wild guess and say no....and I'd go further and guesstimate they do worse.
So this is an interesting question, because I think it probably overstates how coach's "produce."
Like, the majority of coaches fail. And if you focus on P5 (rather than G5 where people more commonly get hired away before they can fail), the vast majority fail.
So for example, only one of the past six Florida coaches has not either won the SEC East, finished in the top 10 at least once. However, four of the six have been run out of town on a rail. Did four produce, or just two? And that's a program with no coaches who won fewer than 62 percent of their games since 1984, and the guy before that was also considered a success (looking back, Florida's run of highly competent football coaches runs a lot deeper than people say).
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Sounds like former Pitt OC Whipple headed to Nebraska?
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Hiring a new coach is a gamble, nearly always, as noted above. Most fail. Programs can get into hiring and firing so often they kneejerk fire and then can't find a good enough guy available. Mullen was considered the 2nd or 3rd best SEC coach when the season started. Is Huepel the "answer" at Tenn? Maybe, but folks said nice things abotu Jones early on also. Sam Pittman looks like a very good hire to me. Brooks of course,
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Oops, by the time I posted about Mickey Joseph yesterday, we'd already re-hired Frank Wilson for our New Orleans hookup.
This is a good move by Kelly--it should give us a higher caliber athlete from New Orleans for him to kill.
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Kelly is a good hire for LSU. Only coach I've seen turn purple for real.
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Interesting how many "proven" coaches have bolted this year. They usually are coordinators or G5 coaches getting promoted.
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Sounds like former Pitt OC Whipple headed to Nebraska?
It's a nice hire for sure, and it may save Frost's job. Now let's see if they hit the portal for a QB or roll with Smothers.
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Nebraska next year might win most of those close games and end up top ten, somewhat like Indiana did last year, before the flop.
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It's a nice hire for sure, and it may save Frost's job. Now let's see if they hit the portal for a QB or roll with Smothers.
There is some Rattler smoke
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Rattler's a good QB, that would be a good pickup for them.
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Rattler's a good QB, that would be a good pickup for them.
Certainly didn't have Spencer Rattler as the 2022 opening day starter for Nebraska 3 months ago
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Oops, by the time I posted about Mickey Joseph yesterday, we'd already re-hired Frank Wilson for our New Orleans hookup.
This is a good move by Kelly--it should give us a higher caliber athlete from New Orleans for him to kill.
That's cold
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Certainly didn't have Spencer Rattler as the 2022 opening day starter for Nebraska 3 months ago
Did he announce that? quick search had nothing
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Did he announce that? quick search had nothing
No, just some internet smoke
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Rattler's a good QB, that would be a good pickup for them.
is he though? I think he's pretty meh in terms of talent/ability. don't see anything special there. he also seems like the biggest dochebag of all-time. Caleb Williams- now that kid passes the eyeball test. he can do things that just make you go whoa.
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Most Latin American countries have a version of picadillo. Mexican picadillo has raisins, and no olives. That's primarily what you'll find here in Texico.
Yesterday I posted my dad's recipe for picadillo on the recipe thread. Mexican version, with raisins and no olives.
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That's cold
That's the name of the game. You wanna kill the best, you gotta recruit the best.
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Yikes.....you folks who are optimistic about Kelly at LSU, I hope you're right.
We lost Corey Raymond last night and then Kevin Faulk today. I wouldn't expect many of you to remember Raymond unless you know our coaches for some reason, but those of you who are old enough might remember Faulk's playing days at LSU. He was the first domino to fall, so to speak, when DiNardo changed the narrative that Louisiana kids don't have to leave for Miami, Nebraska, etc. Getting Faulk was a big, big deal. He was the first big hometown kid of my lifetime to stay put, and he made it cool for LA kids not to bolt. Raymond has been the best DB coach in the business, imo....we just lost him to Florida. He's a stellar recruiter.
It seems like at least Raymond (probably Faulk too, if I had to guess) wanted to stay. Doesn't sound like Kelly is getting along with the legacy people around the program. Regardless of his evaluations, he's going to learn--potentially the hard way--these Louisiana high school coaches are some spiteful SOBs who don't like it when their "people" are removed. New Orleans area in particular is famous for actively steering kids away from LSU. He's going to learn how much influence they have on their players too. Kelly better know what he's doing. Inferior talent couldn't save him at Notre Dame and it sure won't save him in the SEC. There's no way this doesn't cost us, both in this class and going forward. And whoever this guy from ND he's bringing in to coach DBs is not better than Raymond.
10 out of 10 for signaling that this is his show and everybody else can STFU, tho.
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Kelly is not a guy people generally want to work for, there are numerous stories out there. Hasn't stopped him from winning yet though
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Yikes.....you folks who are optimistic about Kelly at LSU, I hope you're right.
We lost Corey Raymond last night and then Kevin Faulk today. I wouldn't expect many of you to remember Raymond unless you know our coaches for some reason, but those of you who are old enough might remember Faulk's playing days at LSU. He was the first domino to fall, so to speak, when DiNardo changed the narrative that Louisiana kids don't have to leave for Miami, Nebraska, etc. Getting Faulk was a big, big deal. He was the first big hometown kid of my lifetime to stay put, and he made it cool for LA kids not to bolt. Raymond has been the best DB coach in the business, imo....we just lost him to Florida. He's a stellar recruiter.
It seems like at least Raymond (probably Faulk too, if I had to guess) wanted to stay. Doesn't sound like Kelly is getting along with the legacy people around the program. Regardless of his evaluations, he's going to learn--potentially the hard way--these Louisiana high school coaches are some spiteful SOBs who don't like it when their "people" are removed. New Orleans area in particular is famous for actively steering kids away from LSU. He's going to learn how much influence they have on their players too. Kelly better know what he's doing. Inferior talent couldn't save him at Notre Dame and it sure won't save him in the SEC. There's no way this doesn't cost us, both in this class and going forward. And whoever this guy from ND he's bringing in to coach DBs is not better than Raymond.
10 out of 10 for signaling that this is his show and everybody else can STFU, tho.
He's a great head coach but he doesn't strike me as the CEO and delegate kind of guy. He's the in control of everything kind of guy.
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Did he announce that? quick search had nothing
Doesn't he still have to sit out a year? Or is he a grad transfer? I know the portal changed the rules a little but I thought they still had to sit out.
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Doesn't he still have to sit out a year? Or is he a grad transfer? I know the portal changed the rules a little but I thought they still had to sit out.
New rule is you get one freebie transfer. Anything beyond that, you have to sit out.
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10 out of 10 for signaling that this is his show and everybody else can STFU, tho.
He's use to recruiting kids nationally and as i understand it LSU is more of a provincial lean.He might want to get a little chummy with the locals instead of treating them like lepers
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He's use to recruiting kids nationally and as i understand it LSU is more of a provincial lean.He might want to get a little chummy with the locals instead of treating them like lepers
He's trying. He's already talking like a southerner... They're already family...
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Up next: questioning what a grit is and then getting Ralph Macchio off a BS murder charge.....
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Oregon targeting.....Chip Kelly. Wtf lol.
Poindexter and Tony Elliot both turn down Virginia, and now those stupid assholes are coming after Josh Gattis. Josh, you can do better than that shithole program. Wait around for a better opportunity brother.
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Clemson OC Tony Elliot takes the UVA job. Thank god. Now everyone else leave Josh Gattis alone, please.
AJC newspaper is reporting Georgia DC Dan Lanning has been hired as Oregon's next head coach. Bruce Feldman is refuting this report- and is reporting that no hire has been made at Oregon yet. We'll see what happens.
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Duke hiring former ND/Wake Forrest/Texas A&M DC Mike Elko to be it's next head coach. Nice! Leave Josh Gattis the F alone AD's.
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Is Oregon just pretending Kelly hasn't sucked at UCLA?? When has a HC's 2nd go-round ever worked out nearly as well as the first?
John Robinson @ USC?
Bill Snyder @ KSU?
Randy Edsall @ UConn?
Mack Brown @ UNC?
Johnny Majors @ Pitt?
It's all crap salad the 2nd time around. When will they learn?
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Duke hiring former ND/Wake Forrest/Texas A&M DC Mike Elko to be it's next head coach. Nice! Leave Josh Gattis the F alone AD's.
Only a matter of time. Have a little success and it's hard to keep assistants. Not sure how Dabo was able to keep his whole staff for 10 years, but that bubble finally popped.
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Is Oregon just pretending Kelly hasn't sucked at UCLA?? When has a HC's 2nd go-round ever worked out nearly as well as the first?
John Robinson @ USC?
Bill Snyder @ KSU?
Randy Edsall @ UConn?
Mack Brown @ UNC?
Johnny Majors @ Pitt?
It's all crap salad the 2nd time around. When will they learn?
Gary Andersen at Utah St. :098:
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Is Oregon just pretending Kelly hasn't sucked at UCLA?? When has a HC's 2nd go-round ever worked out nearly as well as the first?
John Robinson @ USC?
Bill Snyder @ KSU?
Randy Edsall @ UConn?
Mack Brown @ UNC?
Johnny Majors @ Pitt?
It's all crap salad the 2nd time around. When will they learn?
Although none of those lived up to the first act, three of those five were generally better than crap salad. Mack Brown could still turn I guess, but at worst, he did resuscitate the program for a short time
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I kinda hate to lose Elko. His defenses have been pretty good to almost great. That being said, the for losses we suffered this year were mostly the fault of the defense. Especially LSU and Ole Miss. MSU was about 50-50.
It’s almost like you could count on the defense playing shitty for 1-1.5 quarters, then waking up and playing lights out for most of the rest of the game, or at least much better.
And why Duke? That place is practically a coaching graveyard. With maybe the exception of Spurrier.
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Manny Diaz headed to Penn State as DC
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Manny Diaz headed to Penn State as DC
That move feels like it should be good, but for some reason, I’m a bit skeptical
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I kinda hate to lose Elko. His defenses have been pretty good to almost great. That being said, the for losses we suffered this year were mostly the fault of the defense. Especially LSU and Ole Miss. MSU was about 50-50.
It’s almost like you could count on the defense playing shitty for 1-1.5 quarters, then waking up and playing lights out for most of the rest of the game, or at least much better.
And why Duke? That place is practically a coaching graveyard. With maybe the exception of Spurrier.
Spent some time in the region. Plus I’m betting it’s harder to get jobs as a defensive guy.
A&M’s defense was interesting. Seemed to do everything pretty well much of the time. That front was just awesome this year, and the back end was pretty good. Linebackers were not much.
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Linebacker has been a problem area for years, almost decades. We’ve been littered with very talented DL and DE, but LB has been almost a black hole in truly talented players.
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Ryan Day to the Chicago Bears rumors/innuendo starting. Doubt anything comes of it. In the off-chance it did, Fickell slides right in there at takes over. So to recap...even if Ohio State somehow lost their excellent young coach, they'd just replace him with maybe the hottest up-and-coming G5 coach who has his team in the playoff. Must be nice to always be able to pull top notch coaches. Will these guys ever just hire an f'ing RichRod or Hoke just once....
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/trace-armstrong-discussed-top-management-position-with-bears-ohio-states-ryan-day-part-of-possible-package/?s=04&fbclid=IwAR10TRh5d0AhPXoNt4mekkVmL74hqrQfhfpRMferObgvCXLHWiEgH-E7q0s
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Ryan Day to the Chicago Bears rumors/innuendo starting. Doubt anything comes of it. In the off-chance it did, Fickell slides right in there at takes over. So to recap...even if Ohio State somehow lost their excellent young coach, they'd just replace him with maybe the hottest up-and-coming G5 coach who has his team in the playoff. Must be nice to always be able to pull top notch coaches. Will these guys ever just hire an f'ing RichRod or Hoke just once....
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/trace-armstrong-discussed-top-management-position-with-bears-ohio-states-ryan-day-part-of-possible-package/?s=04&fbclid=IwAR10TRh5d0AhPXoNt4mekkVmL74hqrQfhfpRMferObgvCXLHWiEgH-E7q0s
Ehh, you only know when you know.
Rich Rod was a super hot candidate, and Michigan fans told us for several years that old Hoke was what the doctor ordered. They'll never land a guy that looks bad.
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Don't get me started
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don't get him started ;)
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Ehh, you only know when you know.
Rich Rod was a super hot candidate, and Michigan fans told us for several years that old Hoke was what the doctor ordered. They'll never land a guy that looks bad.
It could happen on a year like this one, where there were like half a dozen job openings among the helmets and near helmets. If OSU had to settle for their third or fourth choice HC, it would "look bad."
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Ryan Day to the Chicago Bears rumors/innuendo starting. Doubt anything comes of it. In the off-chance it did, Fickell slides right in there at takes over. So to recap...even if Ohio State somehow lost their excellent young coach, they'd just replace him with maybe the hottest up-and-coming G5 coach who has his team in the playoff. Must be nice to always be able to pull top notch coaches. Will these guys ever just hire an f'ing RichRod or Hoke just once....
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/trace-armstrong-discussed-top-management-position-with-bears-ohio-states-ryan-day-part-of-possible-package/?s=04&fbclid=IwAR10TRh5d0AhPXoNt4mekkVmL74hqrQfhfpRMferObgvCXLHWiEgH-E7q0s
To be honest, I don't think we know what Ryan Day is at this point.
- Clearly he's a great offensive mind, and he hasn't been the type of coach to squander the talent he has. But he's only three years into his tenure as a head coach, with one of them being the weird COVID year of 2020.
- This year, he lost two games by having a defense that looked completely and totally lost on defense against Oregon, and by letting the Wolverines just run the ball straight down their throats all game.
- Head coaches inheriting powerhouse programs but who don't measure up often take 3-4 years for the cracks to show. In the first year or two, the upperclassmen who were brought up in the previous coach's culture can sustain it. When you get to years 3-4, then you have players dominating the starting lineup who were brought up in the new coach's culture.
They've got all the talent in the world and an offensive-minded coach who can put up points, so they've looked fine... But did they lose the two games they lost--both mainly due to defensive issues--because Day brought in the wrong DC? Can he fix it? Is the defensive recruiting as successful as it needs to be, or is he the type of coach that's amassing talent on the offensive side of the ball and leaving the defensive recruiting to guys who maybe aren't good enough?
I don't know the answer to these questions... And if he leaves for the Bears, we never will. If he stays... Maybe we find out he's in over his head.
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Actually there is nothing to it. Pure speculation- makes for exciting times on UM fan boards/ they are delusional in the truest sense.
Also- I DO know what we have in Ryan Day. It is very clear.
A coach who recruits at the highest level. A head coach who has lost exactly one conference game-in 3 seasons- to a VERY good team, on the road in the snow.
A coach who lost to Clemson once, and followed up that only loss by BURYING them the following year.
A coach who hired his choice of DCs- a guy few had heard of- a guy named Jeff Hafley. That DC instantly moved OSU to a top 10 defense in his first and only season. Unfortunately that guy got blocked away to be a head coach and a power five conference.
He then took a longtime OSU recruiting and DB coaching wiz- out from the NFL. He gave that guy less than one season to show what he could do as DC- and when it was apparent things weren’t going well- stripped him of his DC duties in mid season. Then went out as soon as the season was over went and hired a highly in demand proven commodity (Knowles) to run the defense next year.
He is fantastic in front of the media: measured, articulate, honest, professional, and above all classy. He and his wife give freely of their time and money, for a cause of those in need ( mental illness)
He has never once been associated with anything remotely unethical: no drunk driving, questionable recruiting, favoritism, nothing.
In reality he has owned Michigan. Remember- he was responsible for the offense that easily beat them 3 out of 4 years. Twice in their stadium. He ran them off the field. This year, Michigan did that.
But this was 2nd youngest team in FBS, and they produced the best offense in CFB, a 10-2 record, a Heisman caliber QB from a totally inexperienced 19 year old who had never even thrown a pass or played in front of a crowd before,and were in the conversation for the playoff until the end of the season.
There are some good coaches in the Big these days- but I wouldn’t even lightly consider trading him for any of them.
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I agree my issue was Coombs as DC time to move on and Day addressed that with Knowles.Hafley looked decent but BC thought so too
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for lovers of iasip...
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To be honest, I don't think we know what Ryan Day is at this point.
I think we do.
He's a dude that took 24 B1G games to get his first loss.
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so,...........he's on a downward trend
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Lots of HC inherited a great roster only to squander it in time. Larry Coker comes to mind, but it’s been awhile.
I think it’s evident Ryan Day is a great coach, but can he sustain it?
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Sustaining a great program year in and year out ain't easy. I was impressed he had the offense going at a high level with guys he largely recruited. The defense was a struggle, but it has been a struggle often over the past few years. Certainly, he is taking steps to fix it - that will probably determine what he ends up being.
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Kelly at LSU will work well...
https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1470193611866349568?t=7oYtzjiyTKaAvMgHqthxdg&s=19
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I can't unsee that. Thanks.
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I can't unsee that. Thanks.
you're welcome. i guess that's LSU's new 'crootin strategy....Brian Kelly dancing awkwardly ass to ass with all the recruits LSU wants to sign.
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apparently Mike Gundy reps reached out to Florida to convey his interest in the job. Florida didn't reciprocate that interest.
Gundy has had 7 10+ win seasons at a school that isn't exactly easy to win consistently at. Surprised no big program has snatched him up yet.
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apparently Mike Gundy reps reached out to Florida to convey his interest in the job. Florida didn't reciprocate that interest.
Gundy has had 7 10+ win seasons at a school that isn't exactly easy to win consistently at. Surprised no big program has snatched him up yet.
I'm not totally sure the deal there. Gundy maybe doesn't have an agent? And I can't imagine any agents are that flat out stupid.
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I'm not totally sure the deal there. Gundy maybe doesn't have an agent? And I can't imagine any agents are that flat out stupid.
Who could doubt this man?
(https://landgrantgauntlet.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Oklahoma-State-coach-Mike-Gundy-takes-his-shirt-off-a-homecoming-pep-rally-Twitter.jpg)
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I’ve loved Gundy as a coach ever since he ripped into that reporter who was trashing a walk-on and he ripped into the guy. The whole “I’m a man, I’m 40” rant.
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I’ve loved Gundy as a coach ever since he ripped into that reporter who was trashing a walk-on and he ripped into the guy. The whole “I’m a man, I’m 40” rant.
He ripped a reporter who wrote, inartfully, that the OkSU staff thought the QB was soft and were on the verge of benching him for that.
The reporter reported that because he and the staff thought the QB was soft and were on the verge of benching him, which they were. Not the best written column, but it was mostly just self-promoting showmanship. Was worse for the kid, but gave a lot of people the sense he was in the kid’s corner.
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https://twitter.com/MrGo30/status/1470497548443992075?s=20
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Who could doubt this man?
(https://www.si.com/.image/ar_4:3%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_1200/MTczMjkyNzQ2NDExMzUzNjc4/gundy-fishing2.png)
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it's the mullet for me. glorious.
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I guess it works in Okie land
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apparently Mike Gundy reps reached out to Florida to convey his interest in the job. Florida didn't reciprocate that interest.
Gundy has had 7 10+ win seasons at a school that isn't exactly easy to win consistently at. Surprised no big program has snatched him up yet.
He'd make a great "Florida man," but not the kind we're looking for.
That's kind of messed up, though. That's his alma mater.
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soooo... I don't remember hearing all these kinds of stories about Urban in college. I thought his players/coaches generally loved him- not hated his guts and that he was just a massive ahole to everyone....but this stuff coming out seemingly every single day about him is shocking and idk wtf to believe anymore.
https://twitter.com/NFLSTROUD/status/1471240256167067659?s=20
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soooo... I don't remember hearing all these kinds of stories about Urban in college. I thought his players/coaches generally loved him- not hated his guts and that he was just a massive ahole to everyone....but this stuff coming out seemingly every single day about him is shocking and idk wtf to believe anymore.
https://twitter.com/NFLSTROUD/status/1471240256167067659?s=20
Yeah I'm not sure what to think here. I have heard of Urbs being an asshole - mostly from Super Mario, who said he was an asshole to him at BG. But as an OSU fan I really didn't see much in the way of asshole behavior. Maybe that's because he was winning all the time. I don't know. Doesn't match up with what I thought of him.
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None of it surprises me. The dude idolizes Woody Hayes. When push comes to shove, he goes with 'WWWD?'. Woody would kick the kicker in the ass.
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None of it surprises me. The dude idolizes Woody Hayes. When push comes to shove, he goes with 'WWWD?'. Woody would kick the kicker in the ass.
"Show me a gracious loser and I'll show you a bus boy."
"If anybody gives you a compliment, kick 'em right in the shins, unless it's a lady over 80."
“There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you.”
Guy had some of the best quotes of all-time. He was a total son of a bitch but man he was a great coach. Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And weak men create hard times.
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Urban fired by Jacksonville. I bet LSU wishes they waited.
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If I’m Texas I fire sark ASAP and send the house at urban.
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speaking of Mike Gundy lol...
"Consistency is the most important thing in building a big-time college football program, in my opinion. Now, I’ve never been at some of these schools where as people say you wake up on third base and you think you hit a triple. I’ve never been there, so I don’t know what it’s like to coach at a school like that. Coach Knowles will know.”
https://pistolsfiringblog.com/the-rundown-mike-gundy-talks-about-his-2022-signing-class/
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If I’m Texas I fire sark ASAP and send the house at urban.
Agree.
But that won't happen.
Texas is stuck for at least one more year. If Urban is still untethered at the end of the 2022 season and Sark hasn't improved the W/L record dramatically, then I suppose it could be a thing.
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Urban takes about a season it so for the stench of his previous job's scandalous end to wash off, anyway...
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Yup timing should be perfect for us after Sark tanks another season.
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Urban fired by Jacksonville. I bet LSU wishes they waited.
HELL no.
And trust me when I tell you I speak for the broader base on that.
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Yeah I'm not sure what to think here. I have heard of Urbs being an asshole - mostly from Super Mario, who said he was an asshole to him at BG. But as an OSU fan I really didn't see much in the way of asshole behavior. Maybe that's because he was winning all the time. I don't know. Doesn't match up with what I thought of him.
I tried to tell y'all years ago that Urban was an asshole. I got called biased, bitter (about him going 3-3 against us??), and didn't know what I was talking about.
He had a relatively small yet meaningful list of offenses at Florida that...let's just say I wasn't surprised by anything that happened at OSU.
Dude is a great college coach. And he's okay with some shady stuff.
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I tried to tell y'all years ago that Urban was an asshole. I got called biased, bitter (about him going 3-3 against us??), and didn't know what I was talking about.
He had a relatively small yet meaningful list of offenses at Florida that...let's just say I wasn't surprised by anything that happened at OSU.
Dude is a great college coach. And he's okay with some shady stuff.
I thought everyone knew Urbs was an asshole? It's just that schools that want to win championships have been willing to put up with it?
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I thought everyone knew Urbs was an asshole? It's just that schools that want to win championships have been willing to put up with it?
There were some Buckeyes here who, shall we say, strongly disagreed with me as they were hiring him. They got a 2014 championship out of it, and a lot of very good seasons, and I don't begrudge them that.
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Urbs is what he is. I don’t think any AD is going to back away from hiring him in a year or two once the stench wears off.
NFL is a different animal that very few college coaches have been successful at. Only two I can think of off the top of my head is Jimmy and Harbaugh.
No shame in failing in the nfl. Urbs has the highest winning % of any cfb coach since ww2. Lot of people will probably say Saban the GOAT cfb coach and that’s certainly fair, but Urbs ain’t far behind.
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Pete Carroll has had success at both levels as well.
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NFL is a different animal that very few college coaches have been successful at. Only two I can think of off the top of my head is Jimmy and Harbaugh.
Bobby Ross won an NC at Georgia Tech, and reached a Super Bowl with the Chargers
Bill Walsh had a few good years both before and after his 3 Super Bowl stint with the 49ers
Barry Switzer sort of just stepped into a working machine, but won multiple national titles at Oklahoma before his Super Bowl win with the Cowboys
Pete Carroll won national titles and a Super Bowl
Tom Coughlin had a couple successful years at BC before winning two Super Bowls with the Giants
Dick Vermeil took UCLA to a Rose Bowl title and top 5 ranking before reaching two Super Bowls, winning one
Don Coryell had a long successful run at San Diego State before jumping to the NFL
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I said off the top of my head. Lol.
Carroll was really an NFL guy who had bounced around the league and went
down to college after being fired from two NFL head coaching jobs.
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Carroll was a heck of a college coach to be really an NFL guy. He excelled at the most important thing in cfb, recruiting, which is where often successful NFL guys fail in college.
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When Ohio State hired him I had serious reservations.
But for most of his time there he actually did pretty well without any real scandals and certainly no cheating that he was ever accused of. Plus he won games and championships and all the feedback from the families and players was glowing.
When the whole thing with Zach Smith popped up that was really the first major issue and that was one of being overly loyal to somebody and not really peeling back the onion to understand what was actually going on. In a position of that high viz.ability authority and compensation you simply cannot do things like that.
I was glad to move to Ryan Day- Who seems to be almost the polar opposite of urban in terms of how he carries himself, relate to the families and the players, and deals with the media.
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Bobby Ross won an NC at Georgia Tech, and reached a Super Bowl with the Chargers
Bill Walsh had a few good years both before and after his 3 Super Bowl stint with the 49ers
Barry Switzer sort of just stepped into a working machine, but won multiple national titles at Oklahoma before his Super Bowl win with the Cowboys
Pete Carroll won national titles and a Super Bowl
Tom Coughlin had a couple successful years at BC before winning two Super Bowls with the Giants
Dick Vermeil took UCLA to a Rose Bowl title and top 5 ranking before reaching two Super Bowls, winning one
Don Coryell had a long successful run at San Diego State before jumping to the NFL
Guy named Paul Brown won a National Championship before taking the Browns to heights not seen since
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https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1471379751222743040?s=20
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There were some Buckeyes here who, shall we say, strongly disagreed with me as they were hiring him. They got a 2014 championship out of it, and a lot of very good seasons, and I don't begrudge them that.
Twasn't I as many spotted his BS blowing up in face and circling around and biting him in the backside.But he could sell sno cones to an Eskimo
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https://twitter.com/CoachZachSmith/status/1471275641454608394?s=20
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https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1471379751222743040?s=20
You can keep him. 😂
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https://twitter.com/CoachZachSmith/status/1471275641454608394?s=20
😂
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That dude is unhinged. I'm sure Urbs is thankful for the twitter "help."
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https://twitter.com/ActionNetworkHQ/status/1471531819744907264?s=20
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https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1471374631399481347?s=20
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But he will always own Michigan
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But he will always own Michigan
Meh. He owned everybody in college except Nick Saban.
Is that pic the website for his bar he owns in Columbus where he stuck his fingers up that chicks asshole? 7 in the O.
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Meh. He owned everybody in college except Nick Saban.
Is that pic the website for his bar he owns in Columbus where he stuck his fingers up that chicks asshole? 7 in the O.
You keep posting how much of a dick he is. Nobody disputes that.
But it is never going to bring any of those losses back.
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You keep posting how much of a dick he is. Nobody disputes that.
But it is never going to bring any of those losses back.
I'm just posting funny tweets is all.
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I'm calling my shot now....Sark is gonna f'ng suck again in 2022, this will all cool down...Texas gonna fire Sark and go all in on Urban. Urban going to win a title at Texas with Ewers year 1 or 2.
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I'm just posting funny tweets is all.
Well they are giving me a good laugh, I must admit.
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Meyer is a known "dick"
if you can't see it, you're a homer
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(https://i.imgur.com/7jixHvR.png)
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I'm calling my shot now....Sark is gonna f'ng suck again in 2022, this will all cool down...Texas gonna fire Sark and go all in on Urban. Urban going to win a title at Texas with Ewers year 1 or 2.
This smells like Beano Cook predicting 2 Heismans for Ron Powlus.
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This smells like Beano Cook predicting 2 Heismans for Ron Powlus.
does it though? Beano was an ND d-rider and Ron Powlus was a high school kid that hasn't done jack.
I don't even like Urban, but I just know the guy is one of the two greatest CFB coaches ever, and that Sark sucks. Logically thinking, not a stretch to assume that Sark will suck again, get fired...and Texas will go after Urban. And only an idiot at this point would bet against Urban winning big in college at a helmet program like Texas. Urban would clean up Texas recruiting and then poach top kids from GA, FL, TX, LA, CA, and everywhere damn else he pleases.
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I think Urbs is done. The brand is tarnished.
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I think Urbs is done. The brand is tarnished.
Agree. I read some stuff that fox might want him back in the booth because, although he is a very polarizing figure, he drew huge ratings and it was quite good at it.
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Meh. He owned everybody in college except Nick Saban.
Is that pic the website for his bar he owns in Columbus where he stuck his fingers up that chicks asshole? 7 in the O.
(https://i.imgur.com/Dcyn7UE.png)
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Agree. I read some stuff that fox might want him back in the booth because, although he is a very polarizing figure, he drew huge ratings and it was quite good at it.
I hope you guys are right, but it would not shock me if one of the big hires from this carousel flames out and the boosters demand Urban be hired.
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(https://www.on3.com/boards/attachments/redditcfb_2021-dec-16-1-jpg.168503/)
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I hope you guys are right, but it would not shock me if one of the big hires from this carousel flames out and the boosters demand Urban be hired.
I mean, it was okay for Florida and Ohio State, but you don't think anyone else should benefit from his coaching skill?
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I mean, it was okay for Florida and Ohio State, but you don't think anyone else should benefit from his coaching skill?
Well despite what everyone says, when he was at Ohio State his players actually loved him, the families of the players actually loved him and he really didn’t have much controversy until the end with the whole Zak Smith thing.
No he’s considered a complete tyrant, A coach who abuses players, a coach who is insensitive to racial issues, and who hard Time keeping his pants zipped up. Granted it appears that much of that is grossly exaggerated and the media is piling on because he is so smug, but the point is his brand is tarnished pretty badly now.
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I think Urbs is done. The brand is tarnished.
Hope you're right,some one has to take the High Road on character behavior.I remember when Urbz signed in C-Bus,Gatorama was saying he'd meet with success/scrutiny and be popular/polarizing - YUP
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Well despite what everyone says, when he was at Ohio State his players actually loved him, the families of the players actually loved him and he really didn’t have much controversy until the end with the whole Zak Smith thing.
No he’s considered a complete tyrant, A coach who abuses players, a coach who is insensitive to racial issues, and who hard Time keeping his pants zipped up. Granted it appears that much of that is grossly exaggerated and the media is piling on because he is so smug, but the point is his brand is tarnished pretty badly now.
He had a reputation for all sorts of things at Florida, and Ohio State still hired him. Did it tarnish Ohio State's reputation? Are y'all striking the record book clean, sending back all the B1G championship and national championship trophies?
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I mean, it was okay for Florida and Ohio State, but you don't think anyone else should benefit from his coaching skill?
I have no problem if he lands on the 40 Acres,seems with each passing campaign he's just more of a skank though
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Hope you're right,some one has to take the High Road on character behavior.I remember when Urbz signed in C-Bus,Gatorama was saying he'd meet with success/scrutiny and be popular/polarizing - YUP
So you plan to strike all of his records at Ohio State, forfeit all those games, and give back all the trophies? That's what "Taking the high road" would entail.
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He had a reputation for all sorts of things at Florida, and Ohio State still hired him. Did it tarnish Ohio State's reputation? Are y'all striking the record book clean, sending back all the B1G championship and national championship trophies?
Well OSU got burned by the Zach Smith thing. While that didn’t change Anything on the field you could say that it did tarnish the buckeyes reputation.
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I have no problem if he lands on the 40 Acres,seems with each passing campaign he's just more of a skank though
I think it's moot, because despite MDot's impassioned insistence, I don't think Urbs will land at Texas.
But it seems somewhat hypocritical for fans of a school that benefitted from his coaching skill, despite his shady character issues, to proclaim that nobody else should hire him.
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I think it's moot, because despite MDot's impassioned insistence, I don't think Urbs will land at Texas.
But it seems somewhat hypocritical for fans of a school that benefitted from his coaching skill, despite his shady character issues, to proclaim that nobody else should hire him.
There’s a difference between “should“ hire him and “will“ hire him.
I don’t care either way. I’m just best guessing that the coaching part might be over just because of the level of media pounding and vitriol associated with this Jacksonville job.
I could be totally wrong about that. Who knows
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I'm calling my shot now....Sark is gonna f'ng suck again in 2022, this will all cool down...Texas gonna fire Sark and go all in on Urban. Urban going to win a title at Texas with Ewers year 1 or 2.
100% down with Texas running off Sark in bad faith and throwing $100M at Meyer. A good Texas is a fun Texas until becoming intolerable again.
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I think Urbs is done. The brand is tarnished.
Nah. The stench will wear off in a year or so, and some program with a lot of money that's never won (A&M) and is desperate to win or a former great program on hard times that is desperate to get back (Texas) will hire him.
Winning washes off any tarnish really quickly. Urban will land somewhere in college and win a crap ton of games.
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Winning washes off any tarnish really quickly. Urban will land somewhere in college and win a crap ton of games.
THIS.
If the Jags were 10-2, Meyer would be dealing with minor non-stories this season. They'd go away. People would care less. Fewer clicks. Because he was winning. The word out of Jacksonville would be all positive.
It's not complicated.
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Yep, I think someone will give him another chance. From what I remember:
Florida Tenure: A ton of player arrests. Gets some blame for Aron Hernandez I guess. To some extent, you can say the coach can't control everything, but maybe it was the character of players he brought in. Even St. Tressel had some issues with this in the early parts of his Buckeye tenure.
Ohio State Tenure: No arrest problems like at Florida, but the Zach Smith debacle was the main problem. It was also pretty obvious he was lying when questioned about it.
At this point, I don't think he had done anything egregious and could be hired on as a CFB coach elsewhere.
Jags "Tenure": Hiring the Iowa strength coach (tone-deaf), the escapade in Cbus (like in 2018, I don't think he understands how technology works -- phones can take video, text messages can be examined), and then all of the other random allegations that came out.
Really, I would think the Jags tenure is what would eliminate him from contention for a CFB job, but I'm sure he will still get offers.
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Maybe this is more serious than laying low for a year.
I sentence Urbs to two years as an analyst in Tuscaloosa before he's considered redeemed.
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Maybe this is more serious than laying low for a year.
I sentence Urbs to two years as an analyst in Tuscaloosa before he's considered redeemed.
He and Nick. Not friends.
I do feel a little satisfaction in predicting this one. That man had the feel of someone who would have issues with adults.
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He and Nick. Not friends.
I do feel a little satisfaction in predicting this one. That man had the feel of someone who would have issues with adults.
I think his biggest issue may have been that he had no idea how to handle losing. He's never lost before. At BG he was 8-3 then 9-3. Next stop was Utah; 10-2 then 12-0. Florida & Ohio State - 3 MNC's and dominance. Dude lost 9 games in 7 years at OSU. He lost 11 in his first year in the NFL. Have heard a lot of people say before he was hired he doesn't deal well with losing. Welp, that's all he did in the NFL was lose. And it's not like that was all his fault. He was starting a rookie at QB and he took over the worst team in the league. You don't just get the #1 pick in the draft, you have to earn that by being truly terrible. So of course there was going to be a lot of losing for the first couple years before the winning started.
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I think his biggest issue may have been that he had no idea how to handle losing. He's never lost before. At BG he was 8-3 then 9-3. Next stop was Utah; 10-2 then 12-0. Florida & Ohio State - 3 MNC's and dominance. Dude lost 9 games in 7 years at OSU. He lost 11 in his first year in the NFL. Have heard a lot of people say before he was hired he doesn't deal well with losing. Welp, that's all he did in the NFL was lose. And it's not like that was all his fault. He was starting a rookie at QB and he took over the worst team in the league. You don't just get the #1 pick in the draft, you have to earn that by being truly terrible. So of course there was going to be a lot of losing for the first couple years before the winning started.
I mean, he has a screw loose and spends 9-3 seasons wanting to die, so that part was assured.
Still, gotta work with actual grown ups. Man kicked a 30-year-old, then got whiny and offended when that 30-year-old snapped back.
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Speaking of kicking, is there anything that would be worse than getting kicked in the nuts by an NFL punter?
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Speaking of kicking, is there anything that would be worse than getting kicked in the nuts by an NFL punter?
Trying to play in a professional rugby match?
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I dunno those punters leave the the ground by a couple of feet so there's some drive.If some cupless DB screaming by missed the ball but caught the foot I'm guessing he'd rather be in the scrum
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perhaps Meyer should be punted in the nuts?
if/when Frost is fired next season, I'd welcome Urban to Lincoln
yes, I'm that desperate
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https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2021/12/16/22840520/urban-meyer-fired-jacksonville-jaguars-worst-moments
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I sentence Urbs to two years as an analyst in Tuscaloosa before he's considered redeemed.
Ditka and Buddy Ryan got on better than those two ever would.Which isn't much of a stretch
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The Jags have a weird history.
After their initial success with Brunell, they've only had consecutive winning seasons once.
Every successful season is from out of nowhere and then they fall off a cliff the very next season.
It's really bizarre.
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Ditka and Buddy Ryan got on better than those two ever would.Which isn't much of a stretch
how about Buddy Ryan and Kevin Gilbride?
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That would be the end result of that marriage
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would be really interested to see who Jags hire. Jags probably going to have the #1 pick this year again. They take Hutchinson they'll have the two most important positions on rookie deals- QB & Pass rusher.
I wonder if McDaniels would jump at that opportunity? Belichik doesn't seem to be slowing down any time soon. Jacksonville is an intriguing job. Lot of cap space. High picks in 2022 and young team.
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would be really interested to see who Jags hire. Jags probably going to have the #1 pick this year again. They take Hutchinson they'll have the two most important positions on rookie deals- QB & Pass rusher.
I wonder if McDaniels would jump at that opportunity? Belichik doesn't seem to be slowing down any time soon. Jacksonville is an intriguing job. Lot of cap space. High picks in 2022 and young team.
I can’t tell if that guys just needs another chance or he’s in that “just better as a coordinator” mold in the NFL.
It’s also interesting how that’s works at that level vs college. Because a lot of the time someone is either “just better as a top program coordinator OR a mid-range program HC.” (EG, Rich Rod)
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he very well may be a guy who is better as an OC than HC. Just throwing ideas out there. Not sure who they'll go after, but it's a super attractive job imo. They'll have 70+ mil in cap space in 2022 and the #1 pick, again. Big-time believer in Lawerence at QB and Hutchinson at DE. You have those two positions on rookie deals plus all that cap space- you can get better in a hurry with the right coaching staff in place.
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Hmm......has the #1 pick and already has "their guy" at QB.....hmm.....what would a smart team do....????
YOU TRADE THE PICK!
THERE IS NO DISCUSSION!
YOU GET VOLUME AND UPGRADE NUMEROUS POSITIONS!
YOU DON'T DRAFT AIDAN *$&%*$#( HUTCHINSON!
:96:
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Hmm......has the #1 pick and already has "their guy" at QB.....hmm.....what would a smart team do....????
YOU TRADE THE PICK!
THERE IS NO DISCUSSION!
YOU GET VOLUME AND UPGRADE NUMEROUS POSITIONS!
YOU DON'T DRAFT AIDAN *$&%*$#( HUTCHINSON!
:96:
You are assuming other teams want to trade up to #1 for value
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Haven't you been reading?
They can get the best defensive player in college football history!!! Jacksonville will have a dozen one-sided trade options to choose from!!!!!
Herschel Walker 2.0!!!!!
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Haven't you been reading?
They can get the best defensive player in college football history!!! Jacksonville will have a dozen one-sided trade options to choose from!!!!!
Herschel Walker 2.0!!!!!
I think someone needs to drive out your way and hose you down. We’ve got some folks in Utah and Ca, so someone can make it.
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Hmm......has the #1 pick and already has "their guy" at QB.....hmm.....what would a smart team do....????
YOU TRADE THE PICK!
THERE IS NO DISCUSSION!
YOU GET VOLUME AND UPGRADE NUMEROUS POSITIONS!
YOU DON'T DRAFT AIDAN *$&%*$#( HUTCHINSON!
:96:
what QB is out there that teams will give up a ransom for? Matt f##$ng Corral? Kenny Pickett? LOL.
There is no Matt Stafford, Andrew Luck, or Trevor Lawerence level prospect out there. And that's the only way you're trading the #1 pick and getting anything of serious value for it.
If you already have the QB set- which the Jags do- you're better off taking a guy that projects to be a Bosa/Watt brother level Pro Bowl player for the next decade and who can help turn around your sorry ass defense.
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Haven't you been reading?
They can get the best defensive player in college football history!!! Jacksonville will have a dozen one-sided trade options to choose from!!!!!
Herschel Walker 2.0!!!!!
stop trolling me bro.
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Haven't you been reading?
They can get the best defensive player in college football history!!! Jacksonville will have a dozen one-sided trade options to choose from!!!!!
Herschel Walker 2.0!!!!!
They can then sign Greg Middleton off the Walmart greeter squad and have basically the same player. Win win!
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They can then sign Greg Middleton off the Walmart greeter squad and have basically the same player. Win win!
Lmao. What's Scooby doing these days?
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I wonder if McDaniels would jump at that opportunity? Belichik doesn't seem to be slowing down any time soon. Jacksonville is an intriguing job. Lot of cap space. High picks in 2022 and young team.
Interesting many coaches catch on after 2nd or 3rd incarnations.Belichick,Carrol,Reid, Josh is a smart guy went to John Carrol down the road.Wonder if Day enters the portal say like Chicago or Jax
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Mike Sanford Jr. hired as OC at Colorado.
He's on the Jedd Fisch trajectory where someday he's going to be a head coach despite not having done a damn thing on the field to earn it.
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Mike Sanford Jr. hired as OC at Colorado.
He's on the Jedd Fisch trajectory where someday he's going to be a head coach despite not having done a damn thing on the field to earn it.
Wasn't he already a head coach?
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Yes.
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Brady Hoke led the Aztecs to their CCG, and won a Bowl Game. :098:
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Brady Hoke led the Aztecs to their CCG, and won a Bowl Game. :098:
it's amazing what getting healthier by losing some weight and actually wearing a headset will do for a coach.
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New Oregon head coach Dan Lanning is looking to build a staff around him, and that process brought him to Lincoln.
Nebraska defensive line coach Tony Tuioti is leaving the Huskers to coach the same position in Eugene, a source confirmed to Hail Varsity. Tuioti has been at Nebraska for the past three seasons after being hired by head coach Scott Frost in 2019.
The move to Oregon will put Tuioti back on the west coast, where he coached for a large majority of his career. Prior to Nebraska, Tuioti coached the d-line at California. He began his college coaching career at his alma mater, Hawaii, and was there for six seasons from 2008-13 where he had two-season stints as director of player personnel and linebackers and d-line coach.
After being a quality control and assistant d-line coach with the Cleveland Browns from 2014-15, Tuioti jumped back into college football in 2016 as Michigan’s director of player personnel.
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Sounds like Florida is targeting MSU RB coach Will Peagler. He was director of player personnel a couple years ago for Napier at Louisiana.
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It feels like we're going from a staff of like 8 dudes to an army of 60 guys.
Like Bruce Willis says about NASA in Armageddon: You're the guys that're thinking sh*t up! I'm sure you got a team of men sitting around somewhere right now just thinking sh*t up and somebody backing them up!
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Sounds like Florida is targeting MSU RB coach Will Peagler. He was director of player personnel a couple years ago for Napier at Louisiana.
They took him. Apparently USC tried to hire away the OL coach and were able to raise the salary to keep him, but it sounds like this includes some recruiting title, and he has coached under Napier at two stops
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Hawaii will need a HC next season. The virus they had was not named Covid, it was named Graham.
University of Hawaii's football team is miserable. Players say the culprit is head coach Todd Graham.
"Meanwhile, according to multiple players, Graham’s own future aspirations are abundantly clear. They recall different instances when Graham had openly discussed his aspirations to leave Hawaii for the NFL. “He basically kept telling us he’s using us as a stepping stone,” as one player put it.
Said another player, “I see why he wants the bowl game so bad. It ain’t for the seniors. It ain’t for Hawaii. It’s for his reputation and the extra bowl game check.” (Graham will receive a $20,000 bonus for participating in the Hawaii Bowl. If Hawaii wins the game, he will receive an additional $40,000.)"
https://www.sfgate.com/collegesports/article/hawaii-football-troubles-under-coach-todd-graham-16670501.php
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Former Baylor head football coach Art Briles once again has a job in college football. A spokesperson confirmed to 247Sports' Brandon Marcello and Chris Hummer that Briles has been hired as Grambling State's offensive coordinator, marking his first job in college football since he was dismissed as the head coach at Baylor in May 2016 after an investigation found the school mishandled allegations of sexual misconduct and violence.
Briles, 66, took the Baylor football program to new heights in eight seasons at the helm — the Bears won two Big 12 titles and produced a Heisman winner in Robert Griffin III — before Briles' tenure ended in turmoil with the fallout from the aforementioned findings. Briles since coached overseas in Italy during the 2018 season before returning to football in Texas as the head coach at Mount Vernon High School from 2019-20. Briles also had a deal in place in 2018 to become the assistant head coach for the CFL' s Hamilton Tiger-Cats, but the offer was quickly rescinded after intense scrutiny for the move.
Given Briles' legacy, harsh criticism quickly followed again Thursday following confirmation that Briles will join the Grambling State staff. Grambling State is entering its first year under former NFL head coach Hue Jackson, who was most recently the offensive coordinator at Tennessee State.
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"Hawai'i (https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/_/id/62/hawai'i) football coach Todd Graham, facing mounting allegations of mistreating players in the program, resigned Friday(1/14/2022) after two seasons with the school."
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/33069304/hawaii-rainbow-warriors-coach-todd-graham-resigns-amid-allegations-mistreating-players
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It's trully amazing how many of these guys land in very good circumstances.Then thru ignorance/arrogance or both just faff things to hell and back
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Ex-Baylor head coach Art Briles will no longer be the offensive coordinator at Grambling State. Sources confirmed to 247Sports' Brandon Marcello that Briles resigned from his role Monday. The hire of Briles, which was announced late last week, was met with considerable pushback due to Briles' ties to the sexual assault scandal at Baylor in the mid-2010s, which led to Briles' dismissal at Baylor in 2016.
Grambling State initially denied any reports of Briles joining first-year Grambling State head coach Hue Jackson's staff but later reversed course, though now the two parties have parted ways.
"Unfortunately, I feel that my continued presence will be a distraction to you and your team, which is the last thing that I want," Briles said in a statement to Grambling State, obtained by ESPN's Pete Thamel. "I have the utmost respect (for) the university, and your players."
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Art will be fine. It's only a matter of time before someone takes a crack at Hugh Freeze again.
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Art is toxic and will never hold a major coaching position in the college ranks again. Which is appropriate.
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He certainly looks toxic