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ELA

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1120 on: December 06, 2021, 03:19:27 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 06, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
He was a dominant high school head coach at a private school in Texas. Dude can coach.
I thought he kind of bombed out as a HS coach?  Didn't he start his own school, which went under, then coached somewhere else for a year or two and got fired?
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1121 on: December 06, 2021, 03:47:27 PM »
Quote from: ELA on December 06, 2021, 03:19:27 PM
I thought he kind of bombed out as a HS coach?  Didn't he start his own school, which went under, then coached somewhere else for a year or two and got fired?
I think he started his own school- but he had nothing to do with it as a coach- not sure they even had a football team. And I think there was some sort of controversy with the funding/finances of that school. It was a whole mess. 

I believe when he got into coaching he was coaching at an established very expensive private christian high school that his kids went to school at. I want to say they only lost 1 game and won 3 state championships in the 3 or 4 years Deion coached them.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1122 on: December 06, 2021, 11:58:56 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 06, 2021, 03:47:27 PM

I believe when he got into coaching he was coaching at an established very expensive private christian high school that his kids went to school at. I want to say they only lost 1 game and won 3 state championships in the 3 or 4 years Deion coached them.
He was the OC, not HC.

From some modest research, it appears they played in a division with 24 total teams, all private schools. So on the one hand, wins are wins. But on the other, when you can recruit and kids want to come play for Deion Sanders, it's gonna make it pretty easy to talent a team to the top.

But it would be fun to watch. Sanders made a show of it this year. He also had four four-stars and 14 three-stars on an FCS team, so they might have had a considerable talent edge. 
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1123 on: December 07, 2021, 09:27:09 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on December 06, 2021, 10:37:31 AM
Certainly not as much confidence as Miami has shown. But he's a good recruiter - could see it work, I guess.


But who doesn’t recruit well to Miami? From Larry Coker to Randy Shannon to Al Golden to Manny Diaz, Miami recruits itself. Yes Cristobal can recruit, as he did very well to Oregon, but not since Butch Davis (skipping Ritch who wasn’t there enough) has Miami had a coach devoted to top notch game planning or talent development. Despite the talent advantage Cristobal held at Oregon, Ducks fan will be the first to say how sorely Cristobal was outcoached 4 to 5 times a season in pretty much a crap conference. Meaning it’s already looking like Cristobal is a much higher paid repeat of Coker-Shannon-Golden-Diaz.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1124 on: December 07, 2021, 09:36:00 AM »
Quote from: CatsbyAZ on December 07, 2021, 09:27:09 AM

But who doesn’t recruit well to Miami? From Larry Coker to Randy Shannon to Al Golden to Manny Diaz, Miami recruits itself. Yes Cristobal can recruit, as he did very well to Oregon, but not since Butch Davis (skipping Ritch who wasn’t there enough) has Miami had a coach devoted to top notch game planning or talent development. Despite the talent advantage Cristobal held at Oregon, Ducks fan will be the first to say how sorely Cristobal was outcoached 4 to 5 times a season in pretty much a crap conference. Meaning it’s already looking like Cristobal is a much higher paid repeat of Coker-Shannon-Golden-Diaz.
Hey, I'm not saying it's a great decision to outlay that much money for a guy who has been somewhat up and down. But the recruiting has been ok for Miami, which isn't good enough. When was the last time they had a top 5 class? 
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1125 on: December 07, 2021, 05:51:04 PM »
Been meaning to say re: Mickey Joseph to Nebraska, maybe that'll be a recruiting boon for the Huskers.  Dude was a meh WR coach imo--didn't help that he was hired with no WR coaching experience and somebody else was actually coaching WRs for a while--but he was hired for his recruiting ties to NOLA, which LSU sorely needed.  He did that job very well, and for a guy whose heart was always with his alma mater deep down, he worked his butt off for LSU.  Strikes me as a very high character guy.  He was interviewed on a local coverage podcast a couple days ago and sounds like everything was handled well all the way around.  He's a hustler as a recruiter, and may get NU some Louisiana kids.  

LSU needs to act to get somebody in to try to keep NOLA shored up....that city is definitely its own thing, whatever sway people assume LSU has there via proximity and/or being the state flagship, they don't.  Those high school coaches almost seem like they try to actively steer their kids away from Baton Rouge and aren't quick to help us out any.  Unless you play their silly games, which Joseph knew how to do as a hometown guy, and even then the attitude is still pretty meh.  Despite how good Miles and his staffs recruited, that area deteriorated under him and one thing O got right was bringing in Joseph to fix that.  
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1126 on: December 07, 2021, 08:41:04 PM »
This is bonkers.
USC......OU.......LSU........ND.......Florida.... ..Miami.......now Oregon.......

Matt Campbell is still in Ames.
Kiffin is still in Oxford.
Vrabel is still in Cincinnati.
Bananas.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1127 on: December 07, 2021, 08:44:09 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 07, 2021, 08:41:04 PM
This is bonkers.
USC......OU.......LSU........ND.......Florida.... ..Miami.......now Oregon.......

Matt Campbell is still in Ames.
Kiffin is still in Oxford.
Vrabel is still in Cincinnati.
Bananas.
yeah it really is absolutely insane. 

USC, OU, LSU, ND, Florida, Miami, & Oregon....all have new coaches in the same off-season. Never seen anything like it.
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« Reply #1128 on: December 07, 2021, 08:49:53 PM »
I'm thinking Miami made a mistake.  A common mistake nearly every program makes - they got a 'Miami guy.'

Do these former players produce at a better rate?  Has anyone studied this?  I'll take a wild guess and say no....and I'd go further and guesstimate they do worse.

And I know, I'm a Gator and Spurrier was a Gator and he won a NC.
But Urban Meyer was the dot in O-h-i-o and won 2 with Florida.

A guy can either get it done or he can't - the idea that you need a former player from your school is truly odd and should have expired back in the 1950s.

Back to Miami.
Their HC's Ducks got emasculated by Utah.  Twice.  Beaten like a dead horse.  I recall Cristobal being a lineman at Miami....and that makes it worse!!!
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1129 on: December 07, 2021, 09:25:18 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 07, 2021, 08:44:09 PM
yeah it really is absolutely insane.

USC, OU, LSU, ND, Florida, Miami, & Oregon....all have new coaches in the same off-season. Never seen anything like it.
Few yrs back FLA/UCLA/UNL 2 of those 3 hires are gone,there was another opening in there.But ya this is the mother lode for chaos
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1130 on: December 07, 2021, 10:16:10 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 07, 2021, 08:49:53 PM
I'm thinking Miami made a mistake.  A common mistake nearly every program makes - they got a 'Miami guy.'

Do these former players produce at a better rate?  Has anyone studied this?  I'll take a wild guess and say no....and I'd go further and guesstimate they do worse.

And I know, I'm a Gator and Spurrier was a Gator and he won a NC.
But Urban Meyer was the dot in O-h-i-o and won 2 with Florida.

A guy can either get it done or he can't - the idea that you need a former player from your school is truly odd and should have expired back in the 1950s.

Back to Miami.
Their HC's Ducks got emasculated by Utah.  Twice.  Beaten like a dead horse.  I recall Cristobal being a lineman at Miami....and that makes it worse!!!
Michigan made that mistake with Brady Hoke, who wasn't a former player but a former long-time assistant coach under Lloyd Carr. They went for a "Michigan Man" - and well, didn't work out so well.

Mark Richt was a "Miami guy" and Manny Diaz is from the city of Miami and had been an assistant coach at the school before becoming head coach. Those didn't work out too hot for them.

I agree with you. Ya just need a good coach. Doesn't matter where he's from. I have major doubts about Cristobal. I think the PAC coach they should've went after was Chip Kelly.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1131 on: December 07, 2021, 10:20:53 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on December 07, 2021, 09:25:18 PM
Few yrs back FLA/UCLA/UNL 2 of those 3 hires are gone,there was another opening in there.But ya this is the mother lode for chaos
The fact that Mullen is gone and Frost still has a job shows how far UNL has fallen.  

34-15 vs 15-29

Jesus Christ, their records are practically inverted and it wasn't good enough for Mullen to keep his job.  It's unconscionable to me that a helmet program would have a HC go 15-29 and think, "yeah, let's keep him around."
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1132 on: December 07, 2021, 10:42:19 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 07, 2021, 08:49:53 PM
I'm thinking Miami made a mistake.  A common mistake nearly every program makes - they got a 'Miami guy.'

Do these former players produce at a better rate?  Has anyone studied this?  I'll take a wild guess and say no....and I'd go further and guesstimate they do worse.

And I know, I'm a Gator and Spurrier was a Gator and he won a NC.
But Urban Meyer was the dot in O-h-i-o and won 2 with Florida.

A guy can either get it done or he can't - the idea that you need a former player from your school is truly odd and should have expired back in the 1950s.

Back to Miami.
Their HC's Ducks got emasculated by Utah.  Twice.  Beaten like a dead horse.  I recall Cristobal being a lineman at Miami....and that makes it worse!!!
Agreed. Getting a guy who played for your program is not any more likely to result in success...

...BUT it might mean that if he's successful, hell stick around a while, instead of bolting to the next shiny job.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1133 on: December 07, 2021, 10:51:40 PM »
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