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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #462 on: November 21, 2021, 12:56:30 AM »
They still need one more win to be eligible for it.

Granted I'm excited to see the pregame tradition where each school sends out their largest boosters to flush millions down a midfield toilet, as they do each offseason
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #463 on: November 21, 2021, 06:54:14 AM »
A couple of things on Mullen/Florida:
1 - this is a glimpse of what it will be like for some very strong SEC programs in the near future:  a perfectly good HC and a perfectly good team struggling because the losses pile up - you're going to be playing 1-2 juggernauts at any given time plus teams good enough to beat you more often than not and you cannot be on the wrong end of these 1-point and 1-possession games (conference depth like we've never seen, once UTA & OU join).
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2 - Florida isn't immune to the cycles of being good and bad that everyone seems to face, but to be down when both FSU and Miami are down makes it especially bad.  My view is that Alabama and Clemson are the top 2 pillagers of FL HS talent, but it doesn't matter - if FSU AND Miami are down, Florida should be overwhelmingly talented and playing for NCs.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #464 on: November 21, 2021, 07:24:47 AM »
I'm not sure Florida is a perfectly good team with a perfectly good coach.  They did beat Tennessee though.

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #465 on: November 21, 2021, 07:49:49 AM »
I'm not sure Florida is a perfectly good team with a perfectly good coach.  They did beat Tennessee though.
If the 1-score games went the Gators' way, we'd be 9-2 with a win over Bama and a very bizarre loss to USCe.  I'm not saying this is a 9-2 team or anything like that, but in the grand scheme of things, teams tend to have good spurts and bad spurts in 1-score games.  Based on Florida's overall program and Mullen's overall coaching record, both have been very good.

I really don't think I'm overstepping here, I actually found those claims to be quite vanilla.  But I guess I was wrong again.  As usual.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #466 on: November 21, 2021, 07:58:24 AM »
I have a different opinion about a team that loses to USCe and Missouri and LSU and has zero "good wins" unless you count Samford.

I guess you can count Tenn as a good win though.

Differing opinions are OK around here.  I agree a 9-2 team generally is pretty good, if we're discussing a 9-2 team.  Even if they win HALF those one score losses, which is possible, they are but 7-4.  A close loss to a very good team is not bad, even for a very good team.  But a perfectly good team should be able to blow out bad teams fairly readily.

But if this is what Florida fans find OK, or perfectly good, fine with me.

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« Reply #467 on: November 21, 2021, 08:19:30 AM »
You're focusing on this season, when I'm intentionally using the word "program."  
We're talking about 2 different things.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #468 on: November 21, 2021, 08:24:45 AM »
A couple of things on Mullen/Florida:
1 - this is a glimpse of what it will be like for some very strong SEC programs in the near future:  a perfectly good HC and a perfectly good team struggling because the losses pile up - 
Sorry, for some reason I thought you meant this was a "perfectly good team".  It isn't.  The program should be fine, I think, but whether Mullen is The Guy is in serious question.

I could opine USC and Texas are perfectly good programs, but their TEAMS this year are pretty bad.  Even Blue Bloods can have a lengthy period of bad teams.

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« Reply #469 on: November 21, 2021, 08:51:57 AM »
Sorry, for some reason I thought you meant this was a "perfectly good team".  It isn't.  The program should be fine, I think, but whether Mullen is The Guy is in serious question.

I could opine USC and Texas are perfectly good programs, but their TEAMS this year are pretty bad.  Even Blue Bloods can have a lengthy period of bad teams.
Well this year's team has lost to 3 teams less talented than it is.  The Florida roster isn't as good as Alabama's or Georgia's and its probably similar to LSU's.  
That's what I was talking about in the bit you quoted.  Florida isn't suddenly bereft of talent is all.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #470 on: November 21, 2021, 09:04:54 AM »
I never said they were bereft of talent.  I merely OPINED they were not a "perfectly good team".

I don't think perfecrtly good teams lose to teams like USCe and Mizzou and LSU (this year) and let Samford score however many.

It's my OPINION.


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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #471 on: November 21, 2021, 09:23:54 AM »
I wonder how many Gator fans out there believe this year's team is "perfectly good".  I hope that is a prevailing opinion and they keep Mullen in charge.  If this version is "perfectly good", it means they are content with a team that, to me, looks rather inept and weak, but claiming most of their losses are close can keep them hopeful.  I am all for it.

So, this is a perfectly good team with a perfectly good coach.  I rescind my comments.  not really.

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #472 on: November 21, 2021, 09:38:32 AM »
If the 1-score games went the Gators' way, we'd be 9-2 with a win over Bama and a very bizarre loss to USCe.  I'm not saying this is a 9-2 team or anything like that, but in the grand scheme of things, teams tend to have good spurts and bad spurts in 1-score games.  Based on Florida's overall program and Mullen's overall coaching record, both have been very good.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #473 on: November 21, 2021, 10:13:54 AM »
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]With elite jobs already open in USC and LSU and a number of quality intermediate-level jobs like Washington and Virginia Tech also open, one has to wonder what athletic director Scott Stricklin is waiting for. If he wants to have a chance at landing any of the most coveted options, he needs to start the process sooner rather than later.[/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]I’m not a huge fan of publicly calling for a coach’s job, but at this point, Mullen’s tenure at UF coming to an end this season just feels like an inevitability. It’s starting to look very unlikely this team even reaches a bowl game, and after notching the worst SEC finish in program history, whatever highs Mullen took this program to feel like a distant memory.[/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]It’s become clear that Mullen isn’t the guy to win national titles at Florida. I’m not sure what Stricklin needed to see in this one to reassure him that Mullen was the guy, but I feel comfortable assuming he didn’t see it. Regardless of what happens next week against a Seminoles team that also needs a win to reach bowl eligibility, there isn’t much Mullen can do to make that case. At least not this season.[/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]With how far this team has fallen and the continued struggles when it comes to recruiting, it’s hard to imagine next year plays out much differently if Mullen returns. To reference the oft-used quote from former Gators AD Jeremy Foley, “What should be done eventually must be done immediately.”[/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]The Dan Mullen era in Gainesville is over. It’s now just a question of timing.[/color]
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #474 on: November 21, 2021, 11:09:39 AM »
I think the better question is, "Is this Florida team better than their record?"

Sometimes a team loses a lot of close games and we want to write a narrative about them not handling pressure, or about bad coaching, etc. But maybe it's just chance.

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #475 on: November 21, 2021, 11:17:50 AM »
Their record is horrible, I think they are more talented than their record, but perhaps not much better.  If you give them half the close games they lost, they are only 7-4.  I thought they had the talent to be 10-2ish.

 

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