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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #112 on: January 10, 2021, 09:12:59 PM »
Tony Rice's GOLDEN ARM in 1989:
68 comp
137 att
49.6%
1,122 yds
2 TD
9 INT
110 rating
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Tommie Frazier's GOLDEN ARM in 1995:
92 comp
163 att
56.4%
1.362 yds
17 TD
4 INT
156 rating
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Not all option Golden Arms are the same.  Rice's was silly.
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #113 on: January 10, 2021, 09:43:34 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 10, 2021, 08:46:44 PM
lol, it's always mattered.  Just overlooked, as an inefficiency in traditional thinking. 

The funniest note on Tony Rice is that he won the Johnny Unitas GOLDEN ARM Award in 1989.  You can't make this stuff up!
It's always mattered, but a rush option quarterback shouldn't have prolific passing stats. That's pretty much the biggest sign that the quarterback isn't doing any good.
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #114 on: January 10, 2021, 09:51:53 PM »
Who's asking for prolific?  I'm just pointing out his passing was god-awful AND he was rewarded.  That's not backwards?
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #115 on: January 10, 2021, 10:25:36 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 10, 2021, 09:12:59 PM
Tony Rice's GOLDEN ARM in 1989:
68 comp
137 att
49.6%
1,122 yds
2 TD
9 INT
110 rating
.
Tommie Frazier's GOLDEN ARM in 1995:
92 comp
163 att
56.4%
1.362 yds
17 TD
4 INT
156 rating
.
Not all option Golden Arms are the same.  Rice's was silly.
Dude, think about how hard it would be to throw with an arm made of gold. It's insane the numbers were even that good. 

Also funny, I wonder if Johnny was actually that good a college QB. He threw 27 TDs in four years, though really three starting. Granted it was on some middling to bad Louisville teams. Can't find his INTs or completions percentage.
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #116 on: January 10, 2021, 10:31:58 PM »
a college award named after a player who achieved fame because of his NFL career???
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #117 on: January 11, 2021, 08:03:27 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 10, 2021, 09:51:53 PM
Who's asking for prolific?  I'm just pointing out his passing was god-awful AND he was rewarded.  That's not backwards?
Not really, he was a great quarterback.  It's just how we define a great quarterback today and in 1989 are two different things.  
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #118 on: January 11, 2021, 08:59:01 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on January 10, 2021, 10:31:58 PM
a college award named after a player who achieved fame because of his NFL career???
EXACTLY!  It's madness!
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #119 on: January 11, 2021, 09:07:53 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 11, 2021, 08:03:27 PM
Not really, he was a great quarterback.  It's just how we define a great quarterback today and in 1989 are two different things. 
I don't think you're reading my posts.  Rice's passing stats were bad, even for an option QB.
Major Harris (WV) had more rushing yards @ a higher clip per carry and threw for 17 TD-11 int, with a 142 rating.  Darian Hagan (CU) had rushing stats that dwarfed Rice's, and his pass rating was 162.

Rice got his award because he was a known commodity on the defending national champion.  Why are you allergic to acknowledging he didn't deserve it?
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Lemme guess:  he was a "great leader"...he had the "eye of the tiger".....and other jibberish, right?
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #120 on: January 11, 2021, 09:11:11 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 11, 2021, 09:07:53 PM
I don't think you're reading my posts.  Rice's passing stats were bad, even for an option QB.
Major Harris (WV) had more rushing yards @ a higher clip per carry and threw for 17 TD-11 int, with a 142 rating.  Darian Hagan (CU) had rushing stats that dwarfed Rice's, and his pass rating was 162.

Rice got his award because he was a known commodity on the defending national champion.  Why are you allergic to acknowledging he didn't deserve it?
Because stats like that don't make any sense for an option quarterback.  The most important thing for an option quarterback is to be able to run the option, and nice passing stats are nice, but also not particularly helpful to knowing if the QB is doing a good job.  We don't have great stats on judging when an option QB makes the correct choice in the option, other than the team being good.
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #121 on: January 11, 2021, 09:30:25 PM »
Oh, okay.
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #122 on: January 11, 2021, 09:43:31 PM »
Update: the Heisman winner is not gonna be a bowl dud. 
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #123 on: January 12, 2021, 08:37:20 AM »
unfortunately

but, the real question is............ what kind of NFL career will he have?
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #124 on: January 12, 2021, 12:20:33 PM »
:96:
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #125 on: January 12, 2021, 03:55:06 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on January 12, 2021, 08:37:20 AM
unfortunately

but, the real question is............ what kind of NFL career will he have?
He’s going to be the best of all the Bama WRs imo. He’s so smooth in and out of breaks, his route running is incredible- he creates so much separation it’s ridiculous and his hands are incredible. 

If he is there at #7 and the Lions don’t draft him they are retarded. Matt Stafford and that kid would put up huge numbers together.
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