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Topic: Your vote for Hypesman?

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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #98 on: January 07, 2021, 08:12:36 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on January 07, 2021, 02:07:58 PM
Yup, anyone that thinks the Heisman is just now a ridiculously subjective and biased joke, doesn't really know the history of the Heisman.
It's worth thinking about how much college football has changed. Notre Dame ran a lot of run option, and Tony Rice was unquestionably great at running it. But you ain't compiling a bunch of passing stats doing that and there was a time when touchdown to interception ratios truly didn't matter
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #99 on: January 08, 2021, 12:33:27 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 06, 2021, 12:20:02 AM
Down-ballot Heisman voting is a fun (crazy) study:
Going back to 1980 to now.....
1980:More people thought QB Neil Lomax of Portland State should win the Heisman than did Anthony Carter and Kenny Easley COMBINED.
1981:  3 people thought RB Rich Diana of Yale should win it over Marcus Allen or Herschel Walker, while rushing for fewer carries, yards, ypc, and TDs (vs Yale's schedule)
1982:  Dan Marino got 1 first-place vote in a season he threw 17 TDs and 23 INTs......also, Anthony Carter had his best Heisman showing (4th) in perhaps his worst season as a starter
1983:  Out of about 700 voters, only 6 thought the 'best' OL should win the Heisman (Fralic).  Only 7 thought the award should go to the 'best' DB (Hoage)
1984:  Fralic must have fallen off, as his support to win the Heisman fell to 1 single voter.
1985:  Sports Illustrated put their pseudo ballot on its cover, advocating for RB Joe Dudek of Plymouth State over Bo Jackson or Chuck Long.  Dudek would finish 9th, with 12 first-place votes (11 more than Thurman Thomas).
1986:  Three LBs appear in the top 10 of voting!  WTF??  9 thought Bosworth should win the Heisman, 3 chose Cornelius Bennett, and 5 picked Spielman....Auburn RB Brent Fullwood finished with just 4 first-place votes after a 1400 yard season @ 8.3 ypc, probably because he wasn't Bo.
1987:  The only FR player to finish in the top 10 since Herschel, Florida RB Emmitt Smith gets 2 first-place votes.
1988:  The news here isn't that Okie State RB Barry Sanders won, it's that 156 voters thought someone else should have won it over him....Alabama LB Derrick Thomas gets 3 first-place votes for a season with 27 sacks (unofficially)...and FSU CB Deion Sanders received zero first-place votes.
1989:  72 voters wanted to give ND QB Tony Rice the Heisman for a 2 TD pass, 9 INT season....MSU LB Percy Snow had 7 first-place votes, 4 more than ND WR Raghib Ismail, who did not have a single receiving TD, yet finished 10th in the voting.
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That's a lot for now, I can do another decade if anyone cares to read it. 

Alabama LB Derrick Thomas gets 3 first-place votes for a season with 27 sacks (unofficially)...
Derrick Thomas’ 27 Sacks Deserves to Be the NCAA Record

The NCAA did not recognize the ‘sack’ as an official statistic until 2000. Even the NFL — which made it a stat in 1982 — understood that sacking the quarterback while he’s attempting to pass is vital to a defense’s success and should have its own metric. New York Giants great Lawrence Taylor logged 9.5 sacks during his rookie season in 1981, but they don’t count towards his career total. Sadly, L.T. isn’t the only player who’s missing out because career-defining numbers aren’t counted, either.

No defender was more dominant in the history of college football than the late Derrick Thomas was for the Alabama Crimson Tide. Wearing No. 55, the Miami native terrorized defenses for three seasons in Tuscaloosa, but in 1988, he put on a show that likely will never be topped again.

Thomas’ highlights of that 1988 season look like someone playing Madden on rookie mode. He was bigger, faster and stronger than everybody on the field. In his final regular season game against Texas A&M, Thomas had five sacks and recovered a fumble to stamp his legacy that this season is still the greatest ever.

https://fanbuzz.com/college-football/sec/alabama/derrick-thomas-sack-record/
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #100 on: January 08, 2021, 01:02:28 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 07, 2021, 12:24:07 PM
Here's some names, just from recruits:
Chubba Purdy
Navy Shuler
Gavin Beerup
Tank Bigsby
Jay'Veon Sunday
Ajou Ajou
Money Parks
T.J. Tampa
Mookie Cooper
Wing Green
Sedrick Van Pran
Tonka Hemmingway
Jay Max Jacobsen
Prince Darboh
Moon Ashby
Major Burns
Cody Stufflebean

Ga'Quincy McKinstry - nicknamed kool-aid. sounds like a key and peele skit name.
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #101 on: January 08, 2021, 02:45:27 PM »
The NCAA's most odd deficiency is its unwillingness to incorporate stats THAT WE ALREADY KNOW AND HAVE into the official records.  Bowl games, sacks, FG %, etc. going back in time are widely known and if not, kept by the universities themselves.

I consider myself a relative expert on this, as I've had to deep-dive over 1,600 teams going back 50+ years for this stuff. 
Take Miami....they have PDFs of every game going back decades that include sack numbers.  PDFs of the hand-written, day-of-the-game totals...those aren't faked.  They may ebb and flow when it comes to accuracy, but when a sack happened, the guy keeping track put a 1, or a 1/2 next to 2 names he'd written in himself, because those were the players on the actual field that day.

Would it kill each athletic dept to grab some kid and have him go through it all for season totals?  No, that'd be great.  But the NCAA just sits on its ass, even when these stats are well-known.

It's truly bizarre.
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #102 on: January 08, 2021, 05:44:00 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 07, 2021, 12:24:07 PM
Here's some names, just from recruits:
Chubba Purdy
Navy Shuler
Gavin Beerup
Tank Bigsby
Jay'Veon Sunday
Ajou Ajou
Money Parks
T.J. Tampa
Mookie Cooper
Wing Green
Sedrick Van Pran
Tonka Hemmingway
Jay Max Jacobsen
Prince Darboh
Moon Ashby
Major Burns
Cody Stufflebean

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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #103 on: January 08, 2021, 06:15:17 PM »
OU had a last-string CB in '18 and '19 named Starrland Baldwin.

Great name, mediocre football player.
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #104 on: January 08, 2021, 08:45:35 PM »
How about Pork Chop Womack?
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #105 on: January 09, 2021, 03:49:09 PM »
I miss my granny's fried pork chops.
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #106 on: January 09, 2021, 03:53:01 PM »
my granny used to use a light four breading, lots of grease

good chops
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #107 on: January 09, 2021, 03:56:02 PM »
Pork Chop Womack was an All American offensive lineman from Mississippi State who played 12 years in the League. I nominate him for best name.
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #108 on: January 09, 2021, 04:04:41 PM »
if porkchop is his given name I give

if it's a nickname maybe not
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #109 on: January 09, 2021, 05:02:38 PM »
You would have had a hard time with names like Babe Ruth, Yogi Berra, Duke Snider, Pee Wee Reese, and Rocky Marciano.
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #110 on: January 10, 2021, 08:46:44 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 07, 2021, 08:12:36 PM
 there was a time when touchdown to interception ratios truly didn't matter
lol, it's always mattered.  Just overlooked, as an inefficiency in traditional thinking.  

The funniest note on Tony Rice is that he won the Johnny Unitas GOLDEN ARM Award in 1989.  You can't make this stuff up!
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #111 on: January 10, 2021, 08:54:24 PM »
Tommie Frazier won the Johnny Unitas GOLDEN ARM Award in 1995
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