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Topic: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3472 on: September 08, 2020, 11:43:06 AM »
and they think this increase is caused by man?
Depending on who "they" means, yes, the best scientific evidence indicates this increase is due to burning fossil fuels to increase CO2 levels in the air.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3473 on: September 08, 2020, 11:56:05 AM »
I blame Trump
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3474 on: September 08, 2020, 12:11:50 PM »
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

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« Reply #3475 on: September 08, 2020, 12:27:23 PM »
and Bob Stoops
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3476 on: September 08, 2020, 12:38:49 PM »
puppy kicking bastage

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3477 on: September 08, 2020, 01:51:38 PM »
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/climate-change-plastic-pollution

In September, the US consultancy A.T. Kearney asked 1,500 Germans what they thought had the strongest impact on reducing the carbon dioxide (CO2) footprint of an average person. Of the seven choices listed, 22 per cent of them thought that cutting out plastic bags had the biggest impact on reducing CO2 – more than any other option. In reality, this saved the least of any of the proposed lifestyle changes: a reduction of just three kilograms of CO2 per person per year. Cutting out meat would reduce emissions by 450 kilograms, but respondents put it second-bottom in their ranking of the most impactful things they could do to reduce CO2 emissions.

In other words, we drastically overestimate the environmental impact of the small changes we are prepared to make, while underestimating the impact of changes that seem more extreme. These results weren’t from a scientific study – so take them with a pinch of salt – but they imply that our beliefs conform to what we think is tolerable, not what is best for the environment.
Stupid Germans!

OAM, please take note.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3478 on: September 08, 2020, 01:56:48 PM »
The span between 1940 and 1980 is not understood, nearly as I can discern, and is an obvious problem for the various models.  The climate appears to have warmed 1920 to 1940 or so and then the warming trend abated.  Then it kicked in again.  The increase in CO2 levels in the atmosphere (which we can measure quite precisely) didn't show a corresponding decrease.

Then you throw in the enormous heat capacity of the oceans, changes in albedo, possible melting of permafrost, deforestation, changes in ocean currents, and a few other items and you have a very complex climate system.
Is there any thought that WWII might have been the big contributor in the 1940s?
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3479 on: September 08, 2020, 01:58:37 PM »
if we cut out plastic bags Im guessing wed make them out of paper which would kill more trees

trees take in co2 and give off oxygen

fewer trees would add to the co2 buildup
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« Reply #3480 on: September 08, 2020, 02:10:10 PM »
could make bags out of hemp

like rope!
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« Reply #3481 on: September 08, 2020, 02:34:41 PM »
could make bags out of hemp

like rope!
except I think youre still dealing with plants
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3482 on: September 08, 2020, 02:58:08 PM »
hemp plants are different from trees

or so I've been told on this thread
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3483 on: September 08, 2020, 04:06:10 PM »
Is there any thought that WWII might have been the big contributor in the 1940s?
It correlates, and it's plausible it threw a lot of stuff up into the air, including contrails.  Aerosols at high altitude may deflect solar radiation significantly.

Of course, we dropped more ordinance on Vietnam than Germany/Japan by a good measure.

It makes sense to me to make some effort to limiting GHG, especially from coal, but we just might need to think about some alternatives given that the world isn't going to meet the Paris requirements, which in event are judged as being inadequate by a large factor.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3484 on: September 08, 2020, 06:17:48 PM »
Making paper out of trees oddly enough is a CO2 sink (if we ignore the energy needed to make paper).  Paper generally gets entombed in a landfill (in the US) where the carbon is largely recalcitrant for a long time.  Of course, so are plastic bags.

Stuff put in landfills doesn't degrade if done properly.  Some does, and it causes issues.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3485 on: September 08, 2020, 06:20:11 PM »
So let's imagine the US invests say a trillion dollars in combating climate change, to pick a round figure.  And in a decade we discover that out efforts have removed only a tenth of a percent of the CO2 in the air that would otherwise be there.

Good investment?  I'd say not.  And the 0.1% figure if being quite generous.  On the other hand, we could use the money to prepare for the inevitable by building dams and dikes and what not, as @badgerfan advises.




 

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