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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3500 on: September 09, 2020, 03:15:00 PM »
I would sign up for your plan. Nuclear needs to be part of the plan.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3501 on: September 09, 2020, 03:16:13 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on September 09, 2020, 03:15:00 PM
I would sign up for your plan. Nuclear needs to be part of the plan.
It's nonactionable.  Folks want cake AND ice cream, not one or the other.

We have a null set of solutions in practical terms.

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« Reply #3502 on: September 09, 2020, 03:17:52 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on September 09, 2020, 02:56:48 PM
It wasn't that long ago that we did, but over the last twenty years, we have had the ridiculous combination of increasing spending and cutting taxes. That's not Keynesian, that's stupid. But it also isn't directly related to weather, climate, and the environment.

Oh, and our private ownership of the grid is stupid, too.
I'm not convinced the government would be a better owner
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« Reply #3503 on: September 09, 2020, 03:18:46 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 09, 2020, 03:16:13 PM
It's nonactionable.  Folks want cake AND ice cream, not one or the other.

We have a null set of solutions in practical terms.


and folks get want they want from politicians because they cast ballots
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3504 on: September 09, 2020, 03:33:37 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 09, 2020, 03:17:52 PM
I'm not convinced the government would be a better owner
I should have been more specific, our disparate ownership of transmission lines is stupid. The U.S. has an inefficient grid because it isn't economically rational for any one owner of transmission lines to upgrade its portion of the system when the hundreds of other power line owners don't upgrade theirs. As a result, we have a relatively inefficient set of transmission lines. It may well be that private ownership is better than public ownership, but more consolidated ownership would make a great deal more sense than what we have now.
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« Reply #3505 on: September 09, 2020, 03:46:41 PM »
so, a much larger monopoly?  Just kidding...

Apparently, Warren Buffett doesn't want to own and operate the entire grid, possibly because of some of the issues you're referring to
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« Reply #3506 on: September 09, 2020, 03:53:59 PM »
A strictly regulated (it's already regulated, but not strictly) oligopoly might make the most sense. It would make more sense than what we have now.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3507 on: September 09, 2020, 04:40:15 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 09, 2020, 03:18:46 PM
and folks get want they want from politicians because they cast ballots
They get what they thing they want, like more spending and lower taxes.  Short term, great idea, lots of fun while the sun shines.
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« Reply #3508 on: September 09, 2020, 04:54:33 PM »
I'd prefer much less spending and lower taxes, but what the hell

why I don't like voting for them

they spend more and my taxes aren't much less
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« Reply #3509 on: September 09, 2020, 06:06:04 PM »
I think with a bit of work and some technical help I could devise "A PLAN" that wouldn't satisfy everyone, or even a majority, but it would perhaps provide the most benefit for the fewest dollars spent.

I'm fairly optimistic about EVs (and autonomous), and that is another demand side for the System, even if a lot of it is at night.

My PLAN would include nuclear, and spent fuel reprocessing, and a standardized reactor design.  Maybe the SMRs could play a role, they seem to be getting closer to reality, maybe.  The Grid thing might not need to be nationalized IFF we could harmonize its components with some sensible "regulation".  Texas is doing its own thing.

I am curious why more private homes in Phoenix and LV don't have PVs on the roof.  What is the barrier there?  Upfront capital could be allayed variously.

I'd want every wind turbine to include decommissioning fees upfront.  Same with anything else.  The goal would be to eliminate nearly all coal fired e generation by say 2030.  Nuclear is the best substitute.
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« Reply #3510 on: September 09, 2020, 06:15:25 PM »
There is some huge "solar tree" field in Delta Utah that cost millions and never worked. It just sits there all abandoned, as it drifts into a state of disrepair.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wI7YePPNPY&ab_channel=RoadTrippinNomad
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« Reply #3511 on: September 09, 2020, 06:40:33 PM »
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« Reply #3512 on: September 09, 2020, 07:02:27 PM »
Yep.

Someone thought that they should DO SOMETHING to combat climate change, and surprise, surprise. An opportunist figured out a way to line his pockets by exploiting their mindless devotion to political activism.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3513 on: September 10, 2020, 01:10:47 PM »
Warren Buffett isn't putting up thousands of windmills to lose money
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