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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2940 on: May 26, 2020, 07:50:46 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 26, 2020, 07:06:33 AM
Ironically, the trend has been to replace soap BARS with shower gel in bottles.  That would be easy to reverse, in theory, with regulation.

The problem with plastic trash in the ocean originates in Asia of course.  A lot of problems seem to originate in Asia.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2941 on: May 26, 2020, 09:45:21 AM »
Quote from: MichiFan87 on May 22, 2020, 10:52:15 AM
The deposit system is really successful in Michigan. There were even trucks from Chicago that would transport ones from other states to get money, but they got caught, and I think the system got changed somehow to prevent fraud. After Michigan games, there are people that will walk around all of the tailgates to collect left over cans and bottles, as well.

I'm pretty pessimistic and cynical about the future of recycling. The best solution to me seems to be reducing plastic consumption and use more compostable products, at least in places with programs for composting, which will hopefully be more common place in the future.... Otherwise, waste-to-energy systems (be it to hydrogen, electricity, and/or something else) seem to be best solution.
  When we first moved to Michigan I hated it.  After a few months, it was part of our routine.  Living in Missouri now, there are cans and bottles along every road.  I'm a fan of the deposit system.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2942 on: May 26, 2020, 09:48:51 AM »
The liquor store near us has 15 or so bins for different color glass, and I imagine it does get recycled there.  I just forget to take ours when we go, need to start.

I'd be fine with a 10 cent bottle charge nationwide.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2943 on: May 26, 2020, 10:30:35 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 22, 2020, 04:09:05 PM
https://www.eenews.net/stories/1062893583


I think it's time to face facts and 'fess up about this climate change thing.
I agree,deforesting - plant a tree.Mostly 40s-50s this spring got to 70s a few times.High 80's with humitiy to match last 3 days,seemingly no acclimation period just spikes
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2944 on: May 26, 2020, 11:19:32 AM »
Iowa has a nickle deposit on cans and bottles

the problem started when the place you purchase from is not required to take them back

we now have a few locations that take cans and bottles, but they are not required to take them all.

So, I end up tossing a few in the trash each week.

I take 7-8 flats in once a month or 6 weeks.  $8-$10 is enough to motivate me.  That buys a couple beers and a sammich.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2945 on: May 26, 2020, 11:53:21 AM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2946 on: May 26, 2020, 12:48:25 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on May 26, 2020, 11:19:32 AM
Iowa has a nickle deposit on cans and bottles

the problem started when the place you purchase from is not required to take them back

we now have a few locations that take cans and bottles, but they are not required to take them all.
to motivate me. 
Lot of gray area if you have a small grocery or large one for that matter a staff dedicated just to recycling would need to be hired.Then they would have to pass that price hike off to consumers.So just keep with curbside pick up and enforce littering laws if need be
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2947 on: May 26, 2020, 01:52:51 PM »
When I was a kid, all pop bottles were glass and there was a 2-cent deposit on them.  Another 3 cents for the carton.  So we kids would walk along the highway looking for bottles in the drainage ditch.  25 bottles would pay for a Revell 1/72-scale P-40 Warhawk model kit.

What would be the downside of going back to glass bottles with deposits?
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2948 on: May 26, 2020, 01:58:26 PM »
The downside is it is somewhat inconvenient.  I personally am fine with the trade off there.  

Now that "we" all think we have to have bottled water to lug around and throw out, it might be even more important.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2949 on: May 26, 2020, 02:03:03 PM »
Bottled water in individual-sized bottles has to be the activity that produces the most non-biodegradable trash per value of the product of anything out there.

First, bottled water in those sizes is more expensive than an equal amount of gasoline.

Second, nearly everywhere in the USA, tap water is perfectly OK.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2950 on: May 26, 2020, 07:03:55 PM »
I dern near refuse to drink bottled water

mostly just principle, but the cost really bothers me
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2951 on: May 26, 2020, 07:08:54 PM »
My bottled water is usually in the form of a sudsy grain based concoction
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2952 on: May 26, 2020, 07:11:08 PM »
The wife usually has a bottle of water nearby, but it's one she refills.  She hates the cheap flimsy bottles, she keeps the nice ones.

We have a filter on the fridge, but when it goes red, I just reset it without buying a filter.

Coke and Pepsi had to treat their water before making their sodas, so this is like manna from heaven for them.

The use RO and then add back a bit of salts.  Pure water tastes horrible.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2953 on: May 26, 2020, 07:11:50 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on May 26, 2020, 07:08:54 PM
My bottled water is usually in the form of a sudsy grain based concoction
I tell the wife that wine is "mostly water".  So is gin, and vodka, etc., though 151 is not.
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