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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2926 on: May 22, 2020, 01:42:58 PM »
Supposedly, those containers broke down into cornstarch or something of that nature.
We put them into recycling bins, with food remnants sticking to many of them.  I didn't seem kosher to me.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2927 on: May 22, 2020, 01:51:12 PM »
My guess is they went to landfill, and are still there.  There is a very outside chance they were sent to some composting operation, but I thought those had all shut down for MSW.  You can and should compost yard waste. There were "great hopes" back in the day for something called PLA, Polylactic acid.  It does degrade and was fairly cheap.  The physical properties were so-so.  It never caught on except as an advertising gimmick for a while.  I think Coke bottles for a bit claimed to be 20% PLA or something, I don't recall now, it all disappeared.

The marketers feed our emotional needs with their tripe.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2928 on: May 22, 2020, 04:09:05 PM »
https://www.eenews.net/stories/1062893583

A growing number of prognosticators expect that global carbon dioxide emissions could fall 5% this year as a result of the coronavirus pandemic, amounting to the largest annual reduction on record. But climate researchers say there is little reason for celebration, for people or the planet.
CO2 is a long-lived gas. An annual drop in emissions, even one of historic proportions, is unlikely to dramatically change the concentrations of carbon dioxide swirling around Earth's atmosphere. Then there is the nature of the reductions. Few think draconian economic lockdowns, like those implemented to halt the virus's spread, represent a viable decarbonization strategy.
Mostly, the emissions projections show just how much work the world needs to do to green the economy. Holding global temperature rise below 1.5 degrees Celsius, for instance, would require annual emission reductions of 7.6% over the next decade, according to the United Nations' projections.
"If this is all we get from shutting the entire world down, it illustrates the scope and scale of the climate challenge, which is fundamentally changing the way we make and use energy and products," said Costa Samaras, a professor who studies climate and energy systems at Carnegie Mellon University.


I think it's time to face facts and 'fess up about this climate change thing.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2929 on: May 25, 2020, 03:46:49 PM »
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/05/plunge-in-carbon-emissions-lockdowns-will-not-slow-climate-change/?fbclid=IwAR12ddxbHrVsrNZujY7qGIII5Y7Al-kNOfHMZ-xUK9Ug7mGsd2geZ8aESaA

The virus outbreak will have a fairly modest impact on CO2 emissions globally, according to this, down perhaps 8% or so.

Even with all this economic upheaval and the emotional toll of isolating, our emissions have dropped only 17 percent in the short term and will likely drop by less than 10 percent for the year. The effects of those declines on the overall greenhouse gas problem are infinitesimal.

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« Reply #2930 on: May 25, 2020, 05:02:35 PM »
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/05/plunge-in-carbon-emissions-lockdowns-will-not-slow-climate-change/?fbclid=IwAR12ddxbHrVsrNZujY7qGIII5Y7Al-kNOfHMZ-xUK9Ug7mGsd2geZ8aESaA

The virus outbreak will have a fairly modest impact on CO2 emissions globally, according to this, down perhaps 8% or so.

Even with all this economic upheaval and the emotional toll of isolating, our emissions have dropped only 17 percent in the short term and will likely drop by less than 10 percent for the year. The effects of those declines on the overall greenhouse gas problem are infinitesimal.
Yeah, I don't think we should put much weight behind pandemic CO2 decreases.  

They aren't permanent.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2931 on: May 25, 2020, 07:43:01 PM »
Popular Mechanics
Will the World's Biggest Carbon Capture Facility Work?
It better. This coal-burning plant is making a $1 billion bet.
BY CAROLINE DELBERT
MAY 25, 2020


minnkota power cooperative
MINNKOTA POWER COOPERATIVE
  • A record-setting carbon recapture facility is planned for a North Dakota coal-burning plant.
  • Carbon recapture is a huge and growing interest, with two existing large facilities at other coal plants.
  • Advocates say carbon recapture is a way to help neutralize coal while we continue to use it.

A coal power plant in North Dakota wants to build the largest ever carbon recapture facility as a way to try to keep its plant viable. Could the plan really work?
Minnkota Power Cooperative in Grand Forks, North Dakota owns both the plant, the Milton R. Young Station, and the new facility, Project Tundra. Minnkota says its efforts to sequester and recapture waste carbon are motivated both by keeping its plant running and the amount of carbon it can save from reentering the environment.

“To sequester CO₂ from the Young station, Project Tundra will make use of technology similar to that employed at the only two other existing carbon capture and storage (CCS) facilities operating at power plants in the world—Petra Nova in Texas and Boundary Dam in Saskatchewan, Canada,” IEEE Spectrum explains.


How does it work? First, waste CO₂ goes through a “scrubber,” in this case a cooling scrubber that leads into an absorber for amine gas treating. Special chemicals called amines readily bond with CO₂ so it can be filtered out of the rest of the through-flowing gases. Then, the carrying amines are separated from the CO₂. The amines can be reused, and the CO₂ is compressed into a liquid that can be pumped underground for inert storage. What’s left is mostly nitrogen, which already makes up more than three-quarters of our atmosphere.

Reporting on the predecessor Petra Nova plant, the Department of Energy’s Energy Information Administration (EIA) says this process can recover up to 90 percent of CO₂. There are two similar technologies that can work better in different scenarios, and a working version installed in a coal plant can combine elements from each.


Oxy-combustion is when fossil fuels are burned in almost completely pure oxygen instead of regular air or other gas mixes, which produces purer CO₂ that’s simpler to recapture. Pre-combustion is a system of fossil fuel burning that produces a controlled, pure hydrogen and CO₂ gas.
Without reinventing the wheel, Project Tundra will save a lot of time and money, and Minnkota plans to begin construction in 2022 if it can raise $1 billion in funding by then. Sometimes, especially in the world of renewable energy, the compromise solution is the only one people will accept. World Resources Institute’s James Mulligan says he believes even this costly compromise is a politically smart idea that will still do some good.
“Are we looking for perfect or are we looking for good?” Mulligan told IEEE Spectrum. At Petra Nova, the recovered CO₂ is even repurposed to improve efficiency of a nearby oil well. For now, Project Tundra and the Petra Nova plant represent a way to mitigate coal’s damage to the atmosphere. The cost is high, but proponents say it’s worth it.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2932 on: May 25, 2020, 08:24:08 PM »
Wind farms paid record £.9.3m to switch off their turbines
The Telegraph
Phoebe Southworth
23 May 2020

Wind farms in Britain were paid a record £.9.3m to switch off their turbines on Friday, The Telegraph can disclose.

More than 80 plants across England and Scotland were handed the so-called 'constraint payments', when supply outstrips demand, by National Grid, as thousands of buildings lying empty following the coronavirus lockdown contributed to a nosedive in demand for energy.

In what has been declared a "national embarrassment" and a power management "disgrace" by campaigners, consumers will ultimately foot the bill of £6.9m to 66 Scottish plants and £1.9m to 14 offshore plants in England.

This is almost double the previous single day record payout to wind farm operators, which was £4.8m on Oct 8, 2018, when turbines were switched off because it became too windy.

It is believed the low demand for electricity on May 22 was due to windy and sunny weather this week, with solar panels likely to have produced a lot of energy, combined with the lack of demand for power given the Covid-19 lockdown which has seen many businesses close.

So worrying was the development that National Grid issued an alert to stop it happening for a second day running.

Dr John Constable, director of the Renewable Energy Foundation, a UK charity that monitors energy use, said: “Overdeployment of renewables in the UK, particularly uncontrollable wind and solar, has resulted in a very fragile electricity system, which is inflexible and unable to deal with accidents and unexpected circumstances at a reasonable cost to consumers.

"Grid balancing expenditure so far this year is already horrific and by the end of the summer it will be terrifying.

"This is a national embarrassment and a disgrace to the management of the electricity sector who have complacently allowed this crisis to develop over the last decade.”

The charity previously revealed that the operators of 86 wind farms in Britain were handed a record of more than £136m in constraint payments last year.

RenewableUK’s director of strategic communications, Luke Clark, said: “Wind is one of the UK’s biggest power sources, generating 30 per cent of our electricity in the first quarter of this year.

"Investing in new grid infrastructure is vital so that renewable generators can continue to provide consumers with the massive quantities of cheap electricity we need to achieve net zero emissions.

“Constraint payments are the cheapest way for National Grid to run the electricity network within its current limits.

"All types of generation, including fossil fuels, receive them, but unlike older technologies, wind farms can turn off or on within a matter of seconds, and so wind is often called on by National Grid to vary its output. So it’s actually the best way to keep bills as low as possible."
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2933 on: May 25, 2020, 08:58:56 PM »
It's unfortunate that the UK has more transmission constraints and significantly lacks in energy storage infrastructure compared to the US, among other countries. It's a fixable issue, though.

Texas occasionally has negative electricity prices at night, too, when wind generation is highest and demand is lowest. Consequently, some large energy consumers schedule their operations at nights to take advantage of that, which then increases wholesale prices back above zero on similar future days..... The inverse strategy also reduces peak demand (generally on the hottest summer weekdays), which electricity prices are highest.

CCS hasn't been cost-effective to date, especially for coal plants, where the Kemper demonstration project was a complete failure. I do think it will be utilized in gas plants in the future, though.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2934 on: May 25, 2020, 09:00:09 PM »
This is all a BIG Cluster F, Ponzi scheme, silliness, technical garbage ....

Some will get rich while the CO2 levels continue to rise, and rise, and rise, while some delude themselves.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2935 on: May 25, 2020, 10:48:06 PM »
Poll question:
To get rid of all shampoo containers (plastic trash), would you rather:

have a shampoo bar (like soap), or 
have the shampoo bottle be made of soap?


Sorry, weird text with a friend brought this on.  
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« Reply #2936 on: May 25, 2020, 11:03:39 PM »
are shampoo bottles killing dolphins and/or whales?
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2937 on: May 26, 2020, 01:24:08 AM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2938 on: May 26, 2020, 02:37:52 AM »
are shampoo bottles killing dolphins and/or whales?
All plastics kill all the smartest/cutest marine animals, don't you know that?!?
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2939 on: May 26, 2020, 07:06:33 AM »
Ironically, the trend has been to replace soap BARS with shower gel in bottles.  That would be easy to reverse, in theory, with regulation.

The problem with plastic trash in the ocean originates in Asia of course.  A lot of problems seem to originate in Asia.

 

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