header pic

Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

The 'Old' CFN/Scout Crowd- Enjoy Civil discussion, game analytics, in depth player and coaching 'takes' and discussing topics surrounding the game. You can even have your own free board, all you have to do is ask!!!

Anyone is welcomed and encouraged to join our FREE site and to take part in our community- a community with you- the user, the fan, -and the person- will be protected from intrusive actions and with a clean place to interact.


Author

Topic: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy

 (Read 514305 times)

CWSooner

  • Team Captain
  • *******
  • Posts: 6044
  • Liked:
Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2842 on: May 19, 2020, 05:56:22 PM »
This time, Substitute corporation with “government”.  Hah
So, whose point does that make, yours or mine?  ~???
Play Like a Champion Today

CWSooner

  • Team Captain
  • *******
  • Posts: 6044
  • Liked:
Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2843 on: May 19, 2020, 05:58:34 PM »
I stick to this because I feel like it glosses over a lot. (Gen Z maybe)

I wonder if the trend of switch outs aligns with different approaches for grades and such. Getting a C used to be a normal thing, now it's bad. The payoff for gritting through an AP class is more personal than tangible, and we've built things on such a result-oriented axis.

When I was in college, there was some mark on your transcript if you dropped after the first two weeks. I don't think it mattered in real life, though I recall very much not wanting one (I still have stress dreams where I have to take one, but that's better than the F I'm in line for). I also remember gritting out bio one and JUST barely sneaking out with a B, like by half a percent with a flat C on the final. Maybe sucking that up made me more resilient? That class sucked all around.
I feel like I'm missing something here and I'm not sure if you want a response.
Maybe I don't know what it is that I'm glossing over that I didn't already stipulate that I was glossing over.
Play Like a Champion Today

bayareabadger

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 7844
  • Liked:
Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2844 on: May 19, 2020, 06:17:46 PM »
I feel like I'm missing something here and I'm not sure if you want a response.
Maybe I don't know what it is that I'm glossing over that I didn't already stipulate that I was glossing over.
Oh, no real need to respond. Just the whole generation tension thing. It's by and large a broad brush situation. 

I'd much rather dig in on people and their reaction to grades. I think that's always interesting. 

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 24995
  • Liked:
Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2845 on: May 19, 2020, 09:04:17 PM »
So... Education is good here in the USA?

Not for the investment it takes. Not even close. The stupidity in education today makes my skin crawl.

HEY!! 

Let's have 17,000 SUPERINTENDENTS making over $300K per year, protected by UNION contracts. Then, let's hire 50 people to work under that SUPER, who will protect those knuckleheads, in the UNION, who keep the powers who be in place.

What could go wrong?

Glad my boys saw through it and decided to seek guidance from me and Mrs. 847, and educate themselves, with our help. 

They did not want to be brainwashed.

Thank God.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

CWSooner

  • Team Captain
  • *******
  • Posts: 6044
  • Liked:
Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2846 on: May 19, 2020, 10:05:26 PM »
In studies I've seen, we rank in the bottom half of the industrialized world in public-education outcomes.

I think BBTS (or was in bayareabadger?) made some good points (if true) about American schools costing more because they take on more other activities, including sports and (maybe?) effectively babysitting.

We should disconnect these things from schools.  All that doing it the way that we do it is hide the cost of social services by bundling them with school budgets.  Schools do not have the appropriately trained personnel to be social workers.  Schools should be about teaching students academic subjects.  Let the departments of human services deal with the social-welfare problems.

And, as far as I'm concerned, sports could be made not part of public schools.  Then maybe we could re-emphasize gym class and graduate fewer morbidly obese 18-year-olds.

I could add that to the discussion of today's yoots vs. those of days gone by.  The armed forces have huge trouble recruiting these days because an ever-larger percentage of the shrinking numbers of HS graduates are physically unfit for military service.
Play Like a Champion Today

MichiFan87

  • Player
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 796
  • Liked:
Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2847 on: May 19, 2020, 10:17:34 PM »
It's interesting how grades-focused high-achieving students are and then how failure is celebrated in some professional environments, especially in the tech sector.

With a few exceptions, I did quite well academically all the way through high school and got admitted to Michigan, of course, but because I never learned how to study (because I never really needed to), I struggled in college and finished with a 2.7 GPA. Part of that was also not really having my life / career goals at all figured out at that point in my life. But sure enough, I only vaguely recall getting asked about my grades and only in a few interviews until I was 2 years removed from college and not since (except for my graduate program application). More recently, I graduated with a 3.8 GPA in my graduate program (albeit that was all online and only took 1 or 2 courses at a time, most of which I was genuinely interested in).

Back to the problems in the corporate world, the key to success there is getting along well with everyone you work with, but I just didn't have the patience for all of the BS.

As for the problems in primary / secondary education, my mom retired from teaching last year but her final few years she was increasingly frustrated. The pandemic is clearly showing that remote learning is not a good option for the elementary level and only arguably for middle school (depending on how much the kids can take care of themselves and are trusted to be unsupervised). It can be useful at the high school level (especially for high-achievers), but it's still not possible for some classes, much less various clubs and activities..... Part of the problem is excessive testing but maybe that will start to go down as more colleges don't pay attention to SAT/ACT scores. Of course, with the continued decline of fertility rates, there might not be as much competition as in the past for spots at the top universities. The aftermath of the pandemic affects how this may play out, too.
“When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing”
― Bo Schembechler

Big Beef Tacosupreme

  • Player
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 930
  • Liked:
Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2848 on: May 19, 2020, 10:57:54 PM »
So, whose point does that make, yours or mine?  ~???
Exactly. 

MrNubbz

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 17078
  • Liked:
Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2849 on: May 20, 2020, 01:26:12 AM »
I'd be ok if we just got rid of Ohio...:)
That would affect PA tax base as we have a hell of alot of Yuengling drinkers here
Suburbia:Where they tear out the trees & then name streets after them.

MrNubbz

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 17078
  • Liked:
Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2850 on: May 20, 2020, 01:27:08 AM »
A funny fact is I am not qualified to teach high school here, but I am to teach college.


Toga - Toga - Toga..........
Suburbia:Where they tear out the trees & then name streets after them.

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 24995
  • Liked:
Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2851 on: May 20, 2020, 07:02:36 AM »
We need to think about education, and how it relates to being useful later. How about more stuff on weather, climate and environment topics and less on the arts? Illinois has its minimum HS criteria:

All graduates must complete 4 years of language arts, 3 years of mathematics (including algebra I and geometry), 2 years of science, 2 years of social studies (1 must be U.S. history and government) and 1 year of either music/art/foreign language or vocational education.

Something is not right here.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

MaximumSam

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 13046
  • Liked:
Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2852 on: May 20, 2020, 07:19:21 AM »
We need to think about education, and how it relates to being useful later. How about more stuff on weather, climate and environment topics and less on the arts? Illinois has its minimum HS criteria:

All graduates must complete 4 years of language arts, 3 years of mathematics (including algebra I and geometry), 2 years of science, 2 years of social studies (1 must be U.S. history and government) and 1 year of either music/art/foreign language or vocational education.

Something is not right here.
Language arts is just reading and writing, which is rather important.  

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 24995
  • Liked:
Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2853 on: May 20, 2020, 07:34:27 AM »
I know. 4 years of it. Only a combined 5 years of math and science is the issue.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 70998
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2854 on: May 20, 2020, 09:02:19 AM »
My kids' HS in Cincy had an IB program because there were a lot of foreign kids in the district.  An IB Diploma is accepted in Europe as a "real diploma".  It also looks good on your college app here apparently.  It was interesting to compare those courses with the more standard AP courses, which also were available.

My guess is the IB program is basically equivalent to the college track HS courses in Europe.  And I'll note again that in Europe, only about half as many HS graduates go to college as here.  We are more egalitarian, which means we send students with academic credential below the mean to college.  They don't, they also "stream" kids from an early age.  It is not easy to get "upstreamed" in France, my step grandson is facing that now in 9th grade, about to be 10th.  His mom worries about him.  He's more artistic/design oriented and doesn't like math etc.

Europe does it differently, and by and large they educate a rather homogeneous society.  There is no "busing" of course to meet some kind of racial mix.  The schools my step grand sons attend are "all white".  There are a lot of immigrants of course from north Africa and Lebanon etc. and they live in highly segregated communities.  Their schools are all African, perhaps with a sprinkling of Asians or whatever, I don't know, but the communities are basically all African.  They do fund education nationally and the curriculum and standards are national.  They don't have a federated system as we do obviously, or not to this extent.


847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 24995
  • Liked:
Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2855 on: May 20, 2020, 09:19:12 AM »
Do we need a Federal Department of Education? If so, why? Does it need to be at the cabinet level?
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

 

Support the Site!
Purchase of every item listed here DIRECTLY supports the site.