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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #98 on: October 20, 2017, 12:11:57 PM »
NG provides about a third of our grid electricity today, as does coal.  Nuclear is around 20%.  Hydro is what 8% or so?

The rest is kind of in the weeds, though wind is growing, 5-6%.

Hawaii historically, like most islands, used fuel oil to burn to make steam and electricity.  I would think they would benefit most by a wind/solar focus, but to date it has been rather limited.  I read they are trying to move in that direction but capital is scarce.

The place we visit in Hawaii when we go gets 3" of rain a year, usually in one day (I've been there on that day).  It is both consistently sunny and much of it is lava fields (from an 1860 flow).  There is very little solar around, a handful of wind turbines up in the mountains.  There is a Federal geothermal/magma research center there that has a few PVs outside.  I suspect that place is a boondoggle as geothermal has not seemed to make any progress that I can discern (I don't mean the heat pumps.).
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #99 on: October 20, 2017, 02:02:44 PM »
That chart is for all energy sources, including transportation.  My figures were for the electricity production only, hence the grid comment.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #100 on: October 20, 2017, 06:41:03 PM »
Hawaii has a 100% RPS by 2040. They are making a lot of progress towards that and will become a great case study not only for other islands and isolated locales (eg. rural Alaska), but distributed generation will gradually overtake utility-scale plants, thus reducing the importance of the transmission infrastructure.

Coal has no future and will continue to decline. Plants are closing due to economics, alone, which is why there are no new coal plants in most parts of the country. Gas will definitely continue to overtake it in the short-term, but eventually their growth will stagnate while wind and solar continue to grow. How soon this happens will largely depend on the volatility and overall direction of gas prices.... This legal case by Sunniva and Solarworld to impose tariffs on solar panels, could definitely be an issue, but only a short term one.

As for overall energy usage, electrification (as well as automation) of transportation and other sectors will result in the gradual decline of oil, as well. There's been too much production for awhile, which is what's causing the low prices and high inventories. That's not a viable long-term solution.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #101 on: October 21, 2017, 01:12:15 AM »
I've not been to most of the dams on the Ohio.  I have been on many on the Tennessee and Cumberland Rivers.  Nearly all of them have powerplants, I mistakenly thought power production on the larger dams was typical.
I am not an engineer. The Mississippi River dams do not generate hydroelectric. Articles I read say it would be inefficient. But can you explain why it would not be worthwhile to generate power from a dam? These dams in some instance are about a mile wide, and so quite a few turbines could turn.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #102 on: October 21, 2017, 01:18:01 AM »
I'm not against that.  I like the concept that France uses, numerous smaller nuclear plants, instead of massive one.
I think we need a mix of power sources, including some nuclear. But, nuclear power has become uneconomic, and unless there are advances in that area I don't see it expanding as a percentage of our power supply.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #103 on: October 21, 2017, 01:20:32 AM »
Over 35% of Iowa's power generation comes from wind. By 2020, that percentage should exceed 40%.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #104 on: October 21, 2017, 07:45:48 AM »
I am not an engineer. The Mississippi River dams do not generate hydroelectric. Articles I read say it would be inefficient. But can you explain why it would not be worthwhile to generate power from a dam? These dams in some instance are about a mile wide, and so quite a few turbines could turn.


As I noted, four on the Ohio do generate power.  The amount of power obviously depends on the flow, which is substantial, and the "drop", which is not with dams made for navigation as their primary purpose.  You want a tall dam, like Hoover/Boulder or other dams out west for the "drop".  At some point, the cost of installing the turbines is not economical.
I don't think the Mississippi has many dams south of Minneapolis, but I have not checked.  The Ohio has them because the river can almost dry up in summer making navigation difficult or impossible.  The dams in the Appalachians (TVA) originally were designed for flood control as well as electrification.  Some were built WAY back by Alcoa in Maryville, TN to provide power for aluminum smelting.  Most of those have been acquired by the TVA in later years.  You can see some of them off US 129 (Tail of the Dragon) at times.  They are impressive in a way considering they were built by a company in ca. 1917.  Fontana Dam is the largest, tallest dam east of the Rockies, and was built in part to provide power to the Oakridge Manhattan bomb project.
It's over 400 feet high on a decent sized river and generates a good bit of power.  But adding more hydro these days by building more dams is not a likely option.  Folks do look at updating turbines and installing them on a few dams, but that's about it for hydro in the US.  The dams on the Ohio River are more in the 40-70 foot high range, equipped with locks for the barge traffic.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #105 on: December 30, 2017, 06:53:06 PM »
It's hella cold here in Chicago

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #106 on: December 30, 2017, 07:44:26 PM »
It's hella cold here in Chicago

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #107 on: December 30, 2017, 08:47:07 PM »
A balmy 15 here in Cleveland.Better than the 116 they were perpetually having in the SW in summer.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #108 on: December 30, 2017, 08:53:01 PM »
I will still take 4 seasons over "death heat summers" down south.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #109 on: December 31, 2017, 10:12:57 AM »
-11 here this AM, it has warmed up a bit with some bright sunshine
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #110 on: December 31, 2017, 11:15:33 AM »
15 here in balmy Tulsa, OK.

Supposed to get down to 4 tonight, I think.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #111 on: December 31, 2017, 12:14:01 PM »
It's hella cold here in Chicago

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