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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #84 on: October 18, 2017, 08:33:53 AM »
France has 58 nuclear power reactors.  They are roughly the same size as ours in output.

A key difference is that they reprocess spent fuel and the US cannot because of an executive order by Nixon, I think it was.

There are two new power reactors going in at the Vogtle plant in Georgia near Augusta.  They have had "issues" many relating to bankruptcy by the principle contractor.  There was a lot of concern earlier this year that the project would have to be abandoned partially completed.

https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060059449

https://southerncompany.mediaroom.com/2017-08-31-Georgia-Power-files-recommendation-to-complete-construction-of-Vogtle-nuclear-expansion

If you have not read anything about ITER, it may be of interest to some here:

https://www.iter.org/

I don't think anyone has a good guess as to when, if ever, that approach might come to fruition and generate usable power.  Soon, would be my preference, but not my expectation.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #85 on: October 18, 2017, 11:01:38 AM »
It is quite a sight to come up over a slight incline on the otherwise flat I-65  (North of Lafayette) to see the dozens and dozens of wind turbines on the horizon (particularly at night with the red lights pulsating).

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #86 on: October 18, 2017, 11:28:33 AM »
I wonder how birds feel about it.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #87 on: October 18, 2017, 12:00:24 PM »
It is quite a sight to come up over a slight incline on the otherwise flat I-65  (North of Lafayette) to see the dozens and dozens of wind turbines on the horizon (particularly at night with the red lights pulsating).
I did all of the survey work and some of the engineering work on all of those.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #88 on: October 18, 2017, 12:01:35 PM »
Agreed.  Look at the frequency of earthquakes in Oklahoma before and after they started putting in injection wells.  The difference is striking.

Exactly. And they want to do it in Southern Illinois. There is a fault line there... One of the deadliest quakes ever.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #89 on: October 18, 2017, 12:06:29 PM »
Some folks think more smaller earthquakes is better than one really bad quake.

There could be a benefit to this, possibly.  I recall some work decades back about injecting "lubricant" into fault lines so they would slip more gradually instead of building up and then breaking bad.

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« Reply #90 on: October 18, 2017, 01:13:34 PM »
It's not about lubricant, everything at those depths is generally saturated.  It's about pore pressurepushing apart cracks and reducing the amount of contact to pieces of rock have, thereby reducing friction.

I understand about the thought of smaller quakes relieving built up pressure.  In the case of Oklahoma, some of the quakes that have occurred after fracking began are just as strong as the strongest ones that recorded before, occasionally above 5.0.  In the New Madrid Fault zone, my scientists believe we are already overdue for a big one.  Fracking there might be the last straw that allows it to release.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #91 on: October 18, 2017, 02:18:51 PM »
I figure an agent that reduces friction might be called a lubricant.

At any rate, as you know, this notion about relieving pressure gradually is not well tested.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #92 on: October 18, 2017, 02:19:19 PM »
I must note I am not an expert in tribology.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #93 on: October 19, 2017, 02:23:28 PM »
It is quite a sight to come up over a slight incline on the otherwise flat I-65  (North of Lafayette) to see the dozens and dozens of wind turbines on the horizon (particularly at night with the red lights pulsating).
this occurs in Iowa obviously, but there are 100s
flying over in a small plane (10,000') at night with the red lights pulsating in unison is interesting
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #94 on: October 19, 2017, 03:43:16 PM »
Yeah, I think the Meadow Lake wind farm has 330 turbines, and the Fowler Ridge windfarm has about 350 turbines.  Meadow Lake is on the east side of 65, and Fowler Ridge is on the west side.  they are fairly close to each other.   I know they are amongst the 15 or so largest in the country.  There's the one in Cali which is about 3 times the size based on capacity, and one in Texas that looks enormous from the skies.  I remember seeing a huge one from the sky in Oregon too.

If I recall the really big one in Iowa is in the NW part of the state.  I remember seeing it when flying out west this summer.

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« Reply #95 on: October 19, 2017, 10:21:15 PM »
The wind farm that you all are referencing near Purdue (which I passed to/from when Michigan played there a few weeks ago) is one of the largest in the country:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fowler_Ridge_Wind_Farm

Wind turbines kill a very insignificant number of birds compared to skyscrapers, cats, rats, and other natural (and artifical) predators.

The best hope for nuclear is through smaller-scale plants. France's plants, unlike America's somehow have the ability to fluctuate their generation to an extent (I'm admittedly not sure how), so they're not just so-called baseload power (the DOE study on so-called baseload power to prop up coal and nuclear and the subsequent request to FERC for grid resilience is all BS....), where as gas plants have a great ability to fluctuate their generation to counteract the intermittent nature of wind and solar (and in the future, grid-balancing services will increasingly be done through energy storage and demand-side technologies, as well). I'm skeptical that small-scale nuclear will ever take off because other forms of dispatchable and distributed generation (namely CHP / cogeneration) are already more cost-effective, especially for universities, hospitals, and other campuses of sorts. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #96 on: October 20, 2017, 01:36:33 AM »
Yeah, I think the Meadow Lake wind farm has 330 turbines, and the Fowler Ridge windfarm has about 350 turbines.  Meadow Lake is on the east side of 65, and Fowler Ridge is on the west side.  they are fairly close to each other.   I know they are amongst the 15 or so largest in the country.  There's the one in Cali which is about 3 times the size based on capacity, and one in Texas that looks enormous from the skies.  I remember seeing a huge one from the sky in Oregon too.

If I recall the really big one in Iowa is in the NW part of the state.  I remember seeing it when flying out west this summer.

That's the one we did.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #97 on: October 20, 2017, 07:05:34 AM »
NG provides about a third of our grid electricity today, as does coal.  Nuclear is around 20%.  Hydro is what 8% or so?

The rest is kind of in the weeds, though wind is growing, 5-6%.

Hawaii historically, like most islands, used fuel oil to burn to make steam and electricity.  I would think they would benefit most by a wind/solar focus, but to date it has been rather limited.  I read they are trying to move in that direction but capital is scarce.

The place we visit in Hawaii when we go gets 3" of rain a year, usually in one day (I've been there on that day).  It is both consistently sunny and much of it is lava fields (from an 1860 flow).  There is very little solar around, a handful of wind turbines up in the mountains.  There is a Federal geothermal/magma research center there that has a few PVs outside.  I suspect that place is a boondoggle as geothermal has not seemed to make any progress that I can discern (I don't mean the heat pumps.).

 

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