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MrNubbz

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2800 on: April 24, 2020, 02:06:17 PM »
Herd immunity doesn't tend to take hold until you have MUCH higher infection rat
Stands to reason the virus hit the west coast/Cali earlier than other spots.Because of Chinese travelers  coming/going on business and visiting relatives in sizeable W.C.Communities.But right now that's 50% accurate
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2801 on: April 24, 2020, 02:09:16 PM »
we also know that there probably huge numbers of folks that have had it gotten over it that no body knows about'

again we really dont know its any more deadly then the flu


We've already had more deaths in a month than the flu causes all year.  more than 1 in 1000 New Yorkers has died from COVID.

Yes, percentage wise, it is looking like the flu and COVID are probably similar.  But considering how much more contagious COVID is, it is far more deadly.  

Watch this video, it's 8 minutes and it is very well done.  

Coronavirus video



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2802 on: April 24, 2020, 02:11:14 PM »
You better be careful, you are approaching the argument of the "anti-government" folks who say the constitution guarantees you the right to travel with no interference from the government
"a little revolution every know and then is a good thing,don't you think?"  Captain Ramius to Jack Ryan
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2803 on: April 24, 2020, 02:11:59 PM »
we also know that there probably huge numbers of folks that have had it gotten over it that no body knows about'

again we really dont know its any more deadly then the flu
That's what antibody testing should show us. 

The New York article Mdot cited yesterday, where they've done a lot of antibody testing, suggests that COVID-19 is 5-8x as deadly as the flu. My response to that article is here: https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/sports-and-coronavirus/msg209100/#msg209100

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2804 on: April 24, 2020, 02:14:18 PM »

We've already had more deaths in a month than the flu causes all year.  more than 1 in 1000 New Yorkers has died from COVID.

Yes, percentage wise, it is looking like the flu and COVID are probably similar.  But considering how much more contagious COVID is, it is far more deadly. 

Watch this video, it's 8 minutes and it is very well done. 

Coronavirus video
Here's from the CDC... https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html



For all the people that worry COVID-19 is being exaggerated because flu deaths are being classified as COVID-19, I think this shows that what would be normal trends for pneumonia and/or flu as cause of death are being blown straight out of the water by this.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2805 on: April 24, 2020, 02:14:41 PM »

We've already had more deaths in a month than the flu causes all year.  more than 1 in 1000 New Yorkers has died from COVID.

Yes, percentage wise, it is looking like the flu and COVID are probably similar.  But considering how much more contagious COVID is, it is far more deadly. 

Watch this video, it's 8 minutes and it is very well done. 

Coronavirus video




This isn't entirely true.  It's true in New York, but it's not true in Texas.  We have not had more deaths in Texas due to COVID19, than we do from the flu, in an entire year, or really more like the 6 or so months of the flu season that we get down here.

I'm NOT making a statement regarding how deadly, or not, COVID is.  But we should start from a place of factual data if we're going to try to draw conclusions.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2806 on: April 24, 2020, 02:16:58 PM »
 But we should start from a place of factual data if we're going to try to draw conclusions.
That's just crazy talk
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2807 on: April 24, 2020, 02:27:35 PM »
This isn't entirely true.  It's true in New York, but it's not true in Texas.  We have not had more deaths in Texas due to COVID19, than we do from the flu, in an entire year, or really more like the 6 or so months of the flu season that we get down here.

I'm NOT making a statement regarding how deadly, or not, COVID is.  But we should start from a place of factual data if we're going to try to draw conclusions.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2808 on: April 24, 2020, 02:28:53 PM »
I'm obviously not sure either, as it isn't known at this point, but IF it mutates, a vaccine could still be effectively annually.

I don't think anyone has an effective vaccine against any corona virus.
They’ve never had a reason to make a vaccine for a coronavirus. Not really has anything to do with effectiveness of a vaccine. They’ve just never really had to do it. 

There’s only a handful of them that have infected humans with serious disease like SARS and MERS and they were contained and basically disappeared.  

The others basically just cause a common cold. No need to develop a vaccine for a common cold. 

This coronavirus is much different. Causes more servere disease than a common cold and spreads way more readily- hence why we have a world wide pandemic right now. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2809 on: April 24, 2020, 02:29:00 PM »
That's just crazy talk
whats causing the NYC hotspot is the non closing of subways and trains

not saying they should have shut down the subway system just that they didnt
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2810 on: April 24, 2020, 02:30:52 PM »
Is there a Texas gene that make's y'all different from yankees?
I mean... probably?  I sure would love to think so! :)

But there are clearly some factors that are resulting in differences in the outcomes from place to place.  What are they?  Characterizing and understanding those factors is incredibly important in our ability to fight this thing, with the fewest possible deaths and serious cases.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2812 on: April 24, 2020, 02:35:52 PM »
This isn't entirely true.  It's true in New York, but it's not true in Texas.  We have not had more deaths in Texas due to COVID19, than we do from the flu, in an entire year, or really more like the 6 or so months of the flu season that we get down here.

I'm NOT making a statement regarding how deadly, or not, COVID is.  But we should start from a place of factual data if we're going to try to draw conclusions.



I sometimes wonder about comparing the "factual" data because I find myself unsure if we're comparing like things. I mean, we're comparing numbers of deaths, but I've no true sense if these pots of data are comparable in testing rate and the like. I mean, last year's flu numbers come from six or so months of as-needed testing. So I just find that interesting. 

In the end, it is factual, but it's entirely possible and even probably to ascribe extra meaning to it. 

I also still find the idea of "in Texas" because of course places are so different even if we have the state borders drawn. I'm sure people in Ithaca are saying "It's true in NYC but not here." And in the same token, Houston isn't Plainview and Pampa isn't Dallas. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2813 on: April 24, 2020, 02:40:34 PM »
Is there a Texas gene that make's y'all different from yankees?
Well Yinzers and Appalachian Hillbillies are now Yankees?As Briars(S.Ohioans/Hoosiers) and Bucknuts - this is all complicated
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