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longhorn320

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2758 on: April 24, 2020, 12:15:17 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on April 24, 2020, 11:54:16 AM
As with a lot of things, there's a balance.

If the gov't said everyone was mandated to wear masks now and forever, that's one thing. If there's a global pandemic and they say "wear a mask until this passes" it's another...
well the Government didnt make that law for wearing masks in Houston (Harris county)

a judge did

which takes me back to my original gripe

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2759 on: April 24, 2020, 12:16:24 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 24, 2020, 12:10:03 PM
A vaccine can still be of value IFF we are able to track how the virus mutates each year.  This is what the CDC attempts to do with influenza vaccine, they track what is happening in China and "predict" which strains will be most prevalent in October.  The flu vaccines of course are not 100% effective, but they are useful enough in generating herd immunity to keep the virus from spreading widely.


agreed bring it on
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2760 on: April 24, 2020, 12:18:12 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on April 24, 2020, 11:21:01 AM
there are many cases of physically impaired citizens having certain rights taken away

I cant drive without my glasses for example

this really isnt what the concern is
Great analogy.  Without glasses, you're at risk of injuries others, through no fault of theirs.  You won't always plow into someone, but the risk is too great, so you wear a device that minimizes that risk.  
Same with the mask.  Same potential probelms, same easy solution.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2761 on: April 24, 2020, 12:19:04 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 24, 2020, 12:10:03 PM
A vaccine can still be of value IFF we are able to track how the virus mutates each year.  This is what the CDC attempts to do with influenza vaccine, they track what is happening in China and "predict" which strains will be most prevalent in October.  The flu vaccines of course are not 100% effective, but they are useful enough in generating herd immunity to keep the virus from spreading widely.


I'm not sure that coronavirii mutate as readily as the influenza type virii...

I think it's expected to be mutating more slowly and that vaccines will need to change less frequently than the flu...


https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-to-know-about-mutation-and-covid-19#The-bottom-line
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2762 on: April 24, 2020, 12:21:49 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on April 24, 2020, 12:15:17 PM
well the Government didnt make that law for wearing masks in Houston (Harris county)

a judge did

which takes me back to my original gripe


If the concern is that this judicial mandate is an overreach, relative to waiting for the governor or state legislature as a rulemaking body, I can understand having a gripe with the mechanism.

But to pick a mask mandate in general as the hill to die on seems... Excessive. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2763 on: April 24, 2020, 12:22:48 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 24, 2020, 12:18:12 PM
Great analogy.  Without glasses, you're at risk of injuries others, through no fault of theirs.  You won't always plow into someone, but the risk is too great, so you wear a device that minimizes that risk. 
Same with the mask.  Same potential probelms, same easy solution.
Nope because its a fact that I need glasses

its not a fact that I need to wear a mask

especially because the person requiring it is a judge

one person deciding for me and 4,000,000 others
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2764 on: April 24, 2020, 12:26:53 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on April 24, 2020, 12:21:49 PM
If the concern is that this judicial mandate is an overreach, relative to waiting for the governor or state legislature as a rulemaking body, I can understand having a gripe with the mechanism.

But to pick a mask mandate in general as the hill to die on seems... Excessive.
well Im not sure where you live but all of a sudden when I leave my house I have to wear a mask and its a big deal to me

this judge made law instead of enforcing it

she way overstepped

She is being sued over this and the local police union has said they wont enforce it
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2765 on: April 24, 2020, 12:27:11 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on April 24, 2020, 12:19:04 PM
I'm not sure that coronavirii mutate as readily as the influenza type virii...

I think it's expected to be mutating more slowly and that vaccines will need to change less frequently than the flu...


https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-to-know-about-mutation-and-covid-19#The-bottom-line
I'm obviously not sure either, as it isn't known at this point, but IF it mutates, a vaccine could still be effectively annually.

I don't think anyone has an effective vaccine against any corona virus.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2766 on: April 24, 2020, 12:29:22 PM »
I think a lot of the "laws" are illegal and can't be enforced.  A judge who mandates everyone wears a mask obviously is out of limits and there is no applicable statute with which to charge anyone.

Our right to peaceably assemble is still extant.  No one can take that away legally, but you might spend a lot of time in court to get there.

It's not even clear this could be done under US martial law.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2767 on: April 24, 2020, 12:29:54 PM »
Masks are required in Illinois now. Governor said so.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2768 on: April 24, 2020, 12:30:18 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on April 24, 2020, 12:26:53 PM
well Im not sure where you live but all of a sudden when I leave my house I have to wear a mask and its a big deal to me

this judge made law instead of enforcing it

she way overstepped

She is being sued over this and the local police union has said they wont enforce it
California, so... Yeah... We've been implementing most of these things before the rest of the country.

I don't like the mask. I feel like a doofus wearing it.

That said, I started wearing it well before the mandate because someone else made a ruling it was necessary and I dare not defy her!

Her enforcement methods might be much more draconian!  :57:
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2769 on: April 24, 2020, 12:31:55 PM »
Wearing a mask in public is ILLEGAL in some jurisdictions.
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« Reply #2770 on: April 24, 2020, 12:34:57 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #2771 on: April 24, 2020, 12:37:06 PM »
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