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Title: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Hawkinole on March 13, 2020, 02:04:18 AM
There are no Olympic sports, no basketball, no baseball. The only thing left is COVID-19. The Mayor, Fred Hoiberg, Nebraska's coach, had influenza A on the sidelines. Not a good pic. 

Hoping we can have MLB. I am thinking that as coronavirus amps up, if countries have implemented restrictions, it amps back down. I am thinking two months of issues for sports. Maybe MLB starts in mid-May, or to be safe, in June?
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: MarqHusker on March 13, 2020, 02:31:22 AM
Volleyball tournaments canceled here in Indy this weekend.  Interestingly, IHSAA hasn't canceled basketball state playoffs, but no fans.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2020, 06:11:44 AM
I hesitate to "believe" anything about this.  The latency period is very concerning, I think.  It is possible this is just something that becomes "routine" over time.  It may be seasonal (or not).  We may find in a couple weeks it was not as bad as feared.  Maybe we all contract it and develop immunity.  Maybe this. maybe that.

I can appreciate folks wanting to be careful.  We had fairly recently zika scares and swine flu and whatever else and "survived".  My advice is to buy any toilet paper you can find anywhere.  (JK).

Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: MrNubbz on March 13, 2020, 08:22:37 AM
My advice is to buy any toilet paper you can find anywhere.  (JK).
I have a 1/2 gallon of Mr Beam's Elixir
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: utee94 on March 13, 2020, 08:30:24 AM
I've got Amazon delivering 16 pallets of toilet paper to my home this afternoon, so I'm good.

As far as sports, if you consider them such, Indycar and NASCAR will both be running this weekend, with no fans in attendance.  I'm actually more of a Forumla1 fan, but they've canceled this weekend's season opening race that was supposed to occur in Australia.  Since the next few races beyond that are in Bahrain, Vietnam, and China, I'm assuming the entire first 20% of the season will be canceled. 

Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: LetsGoPeay on March 13, 2020, 08:41:47 AM
Volleyball tournaments canceled here in Indy this weekend.  Interestingly, IHSAA hasn't canceled basketball state playoffs, but no fans.
My daughter was supposed to have an AAU basketball tournament this weekend and an All-Star game on Sunday. Those were both cancelled. 

I'm in wait and see mode on the IHSAA regionals this weekend. My son's team won their sectional and play in the regional at Frankfort. They can definitely win that and move on. IHSAA sent out a memo to all the AD's (I am one) and they are actually allowing each school to have 75 admittances to the tournament games, not counting the 12 kids on the roster. That includes administration, coaches, managers, trainer, bookkeeper, and bus driver. The only other people allowed to attend are supposed to be immediate family and that is being defined as parents or siblings.  Last night we had to list 6 people who wanted to attend from our family and prioritize them from 1-6. The school is then going to make a list for the remaining 63 or 64 slots that are available after counting the essential personnel who will be able to attend.

Personally, I fully expect that the regionals will be cancelled.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: utee94 on March 13, 2020, 09:06:51 AM
My daughter was supposed to have an AAU basketball tournament this weekend and an All-Star game on Sunday. Those were both cancelled.

I'm in wait and see mode on the IHSAA regionals this weekend. My son's team won their sectional and play in the regional at Frankfort. They can definitely win that and move on. IHSAA sent out a memo to all the AD's (I am one) and they are actually allowing each school to have 75 admittances to the tournament games, not counting the 12 kids on the roster. That includes administration, coaches, managers, trainer, bookkeeper, and bus driver. The only other people allowed to attend are supposed to be immediate family and that is being defined as parents or siblings.  Last night we had to list 6 people who wanted to attend from our family and prioritize them from 1-6. The school is then going to make a list for the remaining 63 or 64 slots that are available after counting the essential personnel who will be able to attend.

Personally, I fully expect that the regionals will be cancelled.
Yeah I'd say that's a safe assumption.

My kids' school district is on spring break next week, and so far hasn't announced closure beyond that, but it's inevitable.  Houston ISD and all districts in that metro canceled through 3/30. They have multiple cases in their town, but Austin metro just announced its first two cases, and so everything here will be shutting down as well.

Sure would be nice to have some NCAA basketball tourney to watch over the next few weeks of being shut-in...
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: GopherRock on March 13, 2020, 11:02:53 AM
The MSHSL ordered playoff games the rest of the week, starting today, to be behind closed doors with immediate family only present. I was more surprised that the League didn't close doors Thursday. I also suspect that next week's state boys basketball tournament will be cancelled. The closed-door move was to buy some time and guidance from MDH, MDE, and others. 
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: bwarbiany on March 13, 2020, 11:12:14 AM
Hoping we can have MLB. I am thinking that as coronavirus amps up, if countries have implemented restrictions, it amps back down. I am thinking two months of issues for sports. Maybe MLB starts in mid-May, or to be safe, in June?
I think the hope is that with an ultra-aggressive response up front, that we'll contain the spread until we get into warmer weather and hopefully this thing naturally tapers off. 

I'm surprised though. In my 41 years on the planet, I've never seen anything like this. Which is why (like a lot of people) I have no frame of reference whether this is an underreaction, appropriate response, or an overreaction. 
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2020, 11:12:30 AM
I watched the state high school boys basketball playoffs last night on TV

entertaining enuff
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: Kris60 on March 13, 2020, 11:33:30 AM
Daughter’s travel softball tournament in Charlotte this weekend cancelled.  Girls and boys state basketball tournaments here in WV cancelled (or postponed, don’t remember).  Spring sports in the county we live in have been put on hiatus until April.  School hasn’t been cancelled yet but I think it’s coming.

Had kind of a tense conversation with my kids’ school administrator yesterday.  My kids go to a small, private Christian school.  They sent a letter home Wednesday that any child who leaves the state will be required to be tested before being allowed back in school.  I went to the office yesterday and told them simply leaving the state doesn’t meet the criteria to be tested and there isn’t enough test kits out there to just test anyone.  She said their attorney assured them they were within their rights to set that standard.  I told her that as a private institution they can set whatever rules they want but it doesn’t mean they are pragmatic or based in common sense, and that when my wife emailed the letter to the administrator at the county health department she laughed and said someone from the school needed to contact her immediately.


They sent a new letter home yesterday walking back that part but made sure to put in bold print they were within their legal rights to demand that.  Just discouraged anyone from leaving the state.  This whole thing is surreal.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: GopherRock on March 13, 2020, 12:14:02 PM
MSHSL cancels the rest of the winter tournaments. 
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2020, 12:19:06 PM
Leaving the state?  Interesting.  Obviously there are not nearly enough test kits to check patients who lack obvious symptoms, much less folks who left the state.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 13, 2020, 12:32:10 PM
Right about now I'm wishing I'd had ignored @OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) and made his game electronic...

We could all assume a year and team, and have at "the greatest team ever" in style.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2020, 01:03:23 PM
we could all get together to play the card game (gathering of less than 50)

each person shall bring one roll of TP to the party!
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: MrNubbz on March 13, 2020, 01:22:36 PM
Damn if I'm hearing this right the State of Ohio is banning group gatherings of 100 or more.Evidently except for libraries/restuarants - hope the potential virus gets the memo.May have heard that wrong though
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: rolltidefan on March 13, 2020, 02:03:33 PM
I've got Amazon delivering 16 pallets of toilet paper to my home this afternoon, so I'm good.




what's new about that?
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2020, 02:08:07 PM
Which is why (like a lot of people) I have no frame of reference whether this is an underreaction, appropriate response, or an overreaction.
This is directly due to the lack of tests being done.  People are being sent home with flu-but-not-the-flu symptoms because they haven't traveled abroad and haven't officially been exposed to someone with the virus.....except since no one is tested, we don't know if we've been exposed.  
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It's a cluster-fuq.  
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2020, 02:08:38 PM
we could all get together to play the card game (gathering of less than 50)

each person shall bring one roll of TP to the party!
I have zero doubt in my mind if we all sat around playing Whoa Nellie with some choice beverages, we'd have the time of our lives.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: bwarbiany on March 13, 2020, 02:33:18 PM
This is directly due to the lack of tests being done.  People are being sent home with flu-but-not-the-flu symptoms because they haven't traveled abroad and haven't officially been exposed to someone with the virus.....except since no one is tested, we don't know if we've been exposed. 
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It's a cluster-fuq. 
On that we agree. 
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2020, 02:37:12 PM
I'm unsure of the "when should someone get tested"

gotta have a decent reason above, "I feel funny and I'm worried"
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2020, 02:44:38 PM
The problem is people are seeking medical care with flu-like symptoms, but are being told they don't have the flu and it's uncertain what they have.  THOSE people are being sent home if they don't meet either of the (paltry) 2 parameters:
1 - have traveled abroad recently
2 - have been explosed to someone diagnosed with Coronavirus
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#1 is fine, whatever, but there are plenty of domestic cases you could have been exposed to
#2 is the problem - with almost no one having been tested, none of us has knowingly been exposed to someone that's been diagnosed.  

Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: rolltidefan on March 13, 2020, 02:47:49 PM
I'm unsure of the "when should someone get tested"

gotta have a decent reason above, "I feel funny and I'm worried"
agreed. on the other hand, "i've had high fever for a couple days and flu/strep/etc is all negative" is a good candidate to test. right now, unless they've traveled abroad, come in contact with a known infected person which they can name, or are hospitalization sick, those people aren't being tested.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: huskerdinie on March 13, 2020, 03:13:53 PM
My health clinic called today to 'prescreen' me for coronavirus as I have a pre-op physical next Monday (for cataract surgery).  I was told they are limiting patients to have only one person accompany them to appointments.  I was asked about respiratory problems in the last 14 days or a fever above 100.  I am beginning to wonder if my eye doc is going to cancel / postpone my surgery for a later date.  

My daughter lives in Kentucky and they have cancelled school until March 25 and that could be extended, I believe.  My sons have kids in Alaska and Wyoming and so far, no school cancellations that I know of.  Kind of reminds me of the early 70's when both my dad and I had the Hong Kong flu and we stayed home but school was not cancelled and as far as I can remember no sports or other public events were cancelled.  This is the first time in my lifetime that I can remember major sports of all kinds being cancelled.  

My husband works at a truck stop here in Lincoln and I can't imagine how many people have come through his restaurant in the last two weeks and not just locals but the truckers coming from all over.  He keeps expecting the restaurant to be shut down but says as far as he knows, the truck stop has to stay open.  Imagine if truckers are quarantined - talk about an economic disaster waiting to happen.  

Makes me glad I recently ordered a ton of books that I have been missing from my library; at least I have something to read while stuck at home - not to mention all my DVD's I can watch.  No need to leave the house as I can even have my groceries delivered. 
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2020, 04:21:57 PM
Best of luck, HD.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2020, 04:42:20 PM
The problem is people are seeking medical care with flu-like symptoms, but are being told they don't have the flu and it's uncertain what they have.  THOSE people are being sent home if they don't meet either of the (paltry) 2 parameters:


I would hope they are being sent home to self quarantine and are then tested if they gain more symptoms
I also hope the tests are being denied to some because there is fear of a shortage and they are making progress in producing tests for large scale.

I understand not giving tests if they are in short supply and some folks are just nervous and would like to be tested.  Heck, some folks would probably like to be tested every few days.

If you think you need to be tested, you should quarantine yourself until you qualify for the test or until you are confident you are not carrying.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2020, 04:58:24 PM
Yes, let's trust the masses to act responsibly.  For the first time in human history.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: Hawkinole on March 13, 2020, 07:31:58 PM
I think the hope is that with an ultra-aggressive response up front, that we'll contain the spread until we get into warmer weather and hopefully this thing naturally tapers off.

I'm surprised though. In my 41 years on the planet, I've never seen anything like this. Which is why (like a lot of people) I have no frame of reference whether this is an underreaction, appropriate response, or an overreaction.
We have had HIV which started mysteriously circa 1980. We had swine flu in 1976 under Gerald Ford, who rolled out a huge government sponsored swine flu vaccine program. I stood in line for that at our local hospital. These events never resulted in widespread cancellation of mass gatherings or sports events.

I too am curious if the spread will slow with warming weather, but then I read an article asserting that COVID-19 spreads just fine in Singapore and Australia.

I'm unsure of the "when should someone get tested"

gotta have a decent reason above, "I feel funny and I'm worried"
The problem is people are seeking medical care with flu-like symptoms, but are being told they don't have the flu and it's uncertain what they have.  THOSE people are being sent home if they don't meet either of the (paltry) 2 parameters:
1 - have traveled abroad recently
2 - have been explosed to someone diagnosed with Coronavirus
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#1 is fine, whatever, but there are plenty of domestic cases you could have been exposed to
#2 is the problem - with almost no one having been tested, none of us has knowingly been exposed to someone that's been diagnosed. 
My secretary was out all week with a respiratory issue, loss of voice, migraine, and fever. Tests for influenza and strep proved negative. No other test was offered.




Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2020, 08:10:19 PM
Here's a genuine problem (and an optics problem):
9 cases in Arizona. 
No big deal, right?  9 cases in 7 million people.  Big whoop.
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Except....only 100 people have been tested. 
PROBLEM!
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Optic:  9 out of 7 million
Actuality:  9 out of 100 tested
BIG DIFFERENCE
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: Hawkinole on March 13, 2020, 11:47:50 PM
I didn't realize until reading this opinion piece that spring football had not been cancelled by the NCAA.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/randy-peterson/2020/03/13/coronavirus-ncaa-should-shut-down-spring-football/5042740002/ (https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/randy-peterson/2020/03/13/coronavirus-ncaa-should-shut-down-spring-football/5042740002/)

I don't really know if it would make all the difference if spring ball were cancelled because these guys would still be doing weight training, and conditioning. They could reduce the risk by not doing the conditioning all at once, i.e. 120 guys wouldn't be in the same venue sweating and snorting at the same time. And with weights there are alcohol wipes and hand sanitizer, that is if you can buy them.

The moment one player gets seriously sickened in spring ball by coronavirus, and it spreads to his teammates the fingers will be pointing at the school where it happened, and especially at the NCAA, for not calling off spring practice, and making whatever adverse effect that has on player development, uniform.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: bayareabadger on March 14, 2020, 12:03:12 AM
I didn't realize until reading this opinion piece that spring football had not been cancelled by the NCAA.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/randy-peterson/2020/03/13/coronavirus-ncaa-should-shut-down-spring-football/5042740002/ (https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/randy-peterson/2020/03/13/coronavirus-ncaa-should-shut-down-spring-football/5042740002/)

I don't really know if it would make all the difference if spring ball were cancelled because these guys would still be doing weight training, and conditioning. They could reduce the risk by not doing the conditioning all at once, i.e. 120 guys wouldn't be in the same venue sweating and snorting at the same time. And with weights there are alcohol wipes and hand sanitizer, that is if you can buy them.

The moment one player gets seriously sickened in spring ball by coronavirus, and it spreads to his teammates the fingers will be pointing at the school where it happened, and especially at the NCAA, for not calling off spring practice, and making whatever adverse effect that has on player development, uniform.
The Big Ten, Big 12 and SEC have shut down all team activities, which I think means in some cases locking the weight rooms. 

Football could be a little ragged early next year. 
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: ELA on March 14, 2020, 12:21:53 AM
We all are starting fresh with new coaches though right...?...guys...?
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: Hawkinole on March 14, 2020, 01:43:57 AM
The Big Ten, Big 12 and SEC have shut down all team activities, which I think means in some cases locking the weight rooms.

Football could be a little ragged early next year.
 The Big Ten website does now show the Big Ten canceled team activities Friday. But conferences other than the three you mention appear may not to have done so. Some individual schools have done so in the PAC-12. If some conferences do it and not others then competitive advantages slip into the system. Spring ball  should be shut down now by the entire NCAA. Some teams have already had the advantage of practices.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: Hawkinole on March 14, 2020, 01:47:50 AM
We all are starting fresh with new coaches though right...?...guys...?
No, this is the way it will work.

Each team must have a head coach in his 21st year as head coach. Those teams with less head coaching experience can still play, but must forfeit to any team that has a head coach in his 21st season.
Title: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MaximumSam on March 14, 2020, 09:38:24 AM
School is cancelled until April. Court is continuing nearly everything for a month. It looks like I'll be home with my kids for an extended period of time.

What's good on TV? Movies? Video games? Other ideas?
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: FearlessF on March 14, 2020, 09:44:55 AM
HBO is running a free weekend special on our cable system - great timing

I assume they will pick up many subscribers
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: utee94 on March 14, 2020, 09:57:32 AM
Disney+ has a lot of options, I'll probably do a short-term subscription to them.

We'll do a lot of outdoor activities at the neighborhood parks.  My kids are getting a little too old for the playground equipment which is just as well since this virus can live on plastic and metal surfaces for extended periods of time.  However, like most of these bugs, it does appear vulnerable to sunlight and fresh air, so that will help keep the parks a little cleaner and a little less infected.

Recently DVD-released movies that we've enjoyed with the kids are Frozen 2 and Knives Out (lots of language in this one but it's nothing they haven't heard before).   There are others, don't recall them but if I do I'll throw them out.

I still haven't canceled my RV camping trip to the beach next weekend.  The campsites themselves are plenty distant from one another, and the beach is as crowded or non-crowded as you choose, based on where you park.  My main concerns are logistical ones-- the trips is a couple hundred miles and what happens if a quarantine comes down and we're not allowed to return home? Or what happens if there's a panic-run on gas and we're unable to return?  Or what happens if there's further panic-runs on food and we're unable to get something necessary?  It could be most prudent just to stay home, but I'll play it by ear and see how the next 5 days go.  I can cancel last-minute if need be.


Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: FearlessF on March 14, 2020, 09:58:19 AM
Yes, let's trust the masses to act responsibly.  For the first time in human history.
as you know, stupidity of the masses can't be controlled, only slowed
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: Cincydawg on March 14, 2020, 10:17:02 AM
I presume those tested were selected as being from the high risk group, so 9 out of 100 is not such a bad figure.

That does not mean of course that 9% of population at large is infected.

It doesn't mean it doesn't either.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: bayareabadger on March 14, 2020, 10:17:59 AM
The Big Ten website does now show the Big Ten canceled team activities Friday. But conferences other than the three you mention appear may not to have done so. Some individual schools have done so in the PAC-12. If some conferences do it and not others then competitive advantages slip into the system. Spring ball  should be shut down now by the entire NCAA. Some teams have already had the advantage of practices.

Per this release (https://t.co/ZeNnHJYpfC?amp=1)
"The Big Ten Conference announced today that all organized team activities have been suspended until April 6, 2020 and will be re-evaluated at that time."

Unsure if that means locking weight rooms, but it does mean offseason weights and practices. 
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: rolltidefan on March 14, 2020, 10:29:28 AM
not sure if it's been posted here or not, but spring sport athletes WILL get another year of eligibility. ncaa working on solution for winter sports.

https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1238515080456810499?s=21 (https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1238515080456810499?s=21)
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 14, 2020, 12:40:25 PM
Denison and OWU played a w lacrosse game last night (Friday) as a season finale that was initially scheduled for March 25. Commendable devotion to a rivalry, but I didn't know that you could do that. Didn't the NCAA mandate no more games? Weird.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 14, 2020, 01:07:14 PM
I presume those tested were selected as being from the high risk group, so 9 out of 100 is not such a bad figure.

That does not mean of course that 9% of population at large is infected.

It doesn't mean it doesn't either.
Of course, but even 9% of people at high risk is huge and scary.  I assume most people with the symptoms have a cold or the flu.  The fact that only 100 people have been tested in a medium-sized state is criminal/insane.  THAT is the problem.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 14, 2020, 01:34:24 PM
I'm just printing & cutting.  This order I'm working on now is the 2019 Big Ten conference.  
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 14, 2020, 02:04:00 PM
Take them golfing
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: Cincydawg on March 14, 2020, 02:45:36 PM
In 7-10 days, I think we will probably have some "reliable" information instead of ridiculous rumors and partisan spin.  My GUESS is we'll be adjusting by then and largely back to quasi-normalcy with additional precautions.  We were out walking and while there were a lot of folks out and about it was probably about half "normal" for a nice day hereabouts.  We went in Whole Foods and it was probably half normal.  They had plenty on the shelves.  The bar next door to us is full right now.

The public library closed for a while on us.  Bummer.  The art museum has closed.  I presume the symphony is cancelling, I have not heard from them.

The botanical garden was open yesterday.  They had a guy opening doors to the orchid center for everyone with a rag and spray bottle.  The park is pretty close to normal.

I worry about the smaller restaurants around.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: Cincydawg on March 14, 2020, 02:46:15 PM
I would put mine to work in the yard on spring cleanup.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MarqHusker on March 14, 2020, 02:54:52 PM
Jigsaw puzzles are perfect for this.  We have a few in the queue.

State flags and capitols, which is really tricky with the columns and domes.   The flag similarities are really tough to distinguish.   

Then one of early 20th century baseball cards.  My kids loved doing that one during an ice storm a couple years ago.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: ELA on March 14, 2020, 03:10:36 PM
We've done three puzzles already.  I've always loved them, my wife hates them, but now the oldest loves them, so Ive got a partner.

Also, can't lie, I'm watching each and every one of these basketball sims.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 14, 2020, 03:16:02 PM
In 7-10 days, the number of confirmed cases may be peaking....
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MaximumSam on March 14, 2020, 05:27:58 PM
Puzzles sound good. We got a decent amount of snow today so they had fun playing in that
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: huskerdinie on March 14, 2020, 05:44:47 PM
My husband and I are taking turns playing Fallout 4.  I play when he is at work, he plays when he gets home and on his days off we play Age of Wonders III together.  In between, I am catching up on recorded shows and reading books I recently bought.  Unfortunately for me, I read way fast so I will run out of those pretty quickly then it's back to my home library and starting over with my series.  Still trying to decide between Sherrilyn Kenyon's Ichidian Universe, her Dark-Hunter series or immersing myself in Anne Perry's William Monk novels.  Decisions, decisions.  

If all else fails, my sister and I will play Quiddler or Scrabble.  Can't talk anyone into playing Trivial Pursuit with me, ha ha.  
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: Cincydawg on March 14, 2020, 06:37:08 PM
In 7-10 days, the number of confirmed cases may be peaking....
Sure, I don't know.  The number of asymptomatic folks walking around could be enormous.  I'm making a GUESS  based on little more than hope and experience with past viral pandemics.  Americans may decide "it's not that bad" even if it is that bad for many folks.

As we get more folks analyzed, we'll see a climb obviously.  At some point, people will poke their heads out and sniff the air and decide it's OK out there.  Alternatively, this could well be horrendous and the country virtually shuts down for weeks.  That would be a grim scenario indeed.  We already have had calls in our building for folks to help older residents get groceries.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 14, 2020, 06:40:35 PM
I would like an official, national answer to what's the sliding scale of deaths vs inconvenience.  What's the acceptable number of deaths crossed with the number of days/weeks of standstill?
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For cars, the number is around 35,000 in the U.S.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: Cincydawg on March 14, 2020, 06:55:47 PM
An old saying is "A recession is when your neighbor loses his job, a depression is when you lose your job."

Statistics for most are largely meaningless unless personal.  If a LOT of us knew people killed in car accidents each year, folks would be more upset.  No one I've ever known has been killed in a car accident.  The figure used to be 50-60,000 a year.  It's the same with all categories of risk.  Few humans deal well with probabilities of that ilk.

We say that driving is more dangerous than flying.  Each flight disaster makes the news, a car accident makes the 11 PM news, perhaps, unless it's a busload of kids.  A shooting of 3-4 people barely makes the local news, a mass shooting of 50 is news for a week, or more, even if they are somewhat rare (thankfully).

When I was a kid, quicksand worried the heck out of me.  I've never seen any.  Most of us die of issues associated with obesity or pulmonary issues.  Think how dangerous smoking is for your health, and 20% of us do it routinely.  My Grandad smoked for 60 years and just died of old age, they think.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: Cincydawg on March 14, 2020, 07:04:21 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-italy-hospitals-doctor-lockdown-quarantine-intensive-care-a9401186.html?fbclid=IwAR24O5dI2hXDWQrn8kzyXmh_cRCYZJeH9ByxA8TVxjXoG4bil3zCP7PNrPk (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-italy-hospitals-doctor-lockdown-quarantine-intensive-care-a9401186.html?fbclid=IwAR24O5dI2hXDWQrn8kzyXmh_cRCYZJeH9ByxA8TVxjXoG4bil3zCP7PNrPk)

Things in Italy sound really bad.  Our daughter is in lock down in a tiny village in France.  Everything is closed except essentials.  She has four boys.  

If the Italian hospital system collapses, things will get worse quickly.  I fear that the health care workers will get sick in time.  Is this headed here?
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: bwarbiany on March 14, 2020, 08:02:07 PM
My husband and I are taking turns playing Fallout 4.  I play when he is at work, he plays when he gets home and on his days off we play Age of Wonders III together.  In between, I am catching up on recorded shows and reading books I recently bought.  Unfortunately for me, I read way fast so I will run out of those pretty quickly then it's back to my home library and starting over with my series.  Still trying to decide between Sherrilyn Kenyon's Ichidian Universe, her Dark-Hunter series or immersing myself in Anne Perry's William Monk novels.  Decisions, decisions. 

If all else fails, my sister and I will play Quiddler or Scrabble.  Can't talk anyone into playing Trivial Pursuit with me, ha ha. 
I use the Kindle so getting new books is easy for me. But even with Amazon prime, it's only a 1-2 day wait.

I do words with friends because nobody in real life play will scrabble with me.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 14, 2020, 09:26:01 PM
I get to return to work Monday, with 980 kids and 100 staff coming back from Spring Break.  Unknown how many kids and their families traveled to California, Mexico, etc.  Unknown if they've done a damn thing to avoid getting sick.  
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Lucky me.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 14, 2020, 09:27:41 PM
We're 11 days behind them on a very similar tragectory.  
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: bayareabadger on March 15, 2020, 12:08:55 AM
In 7-10 days, I think we will probably have some "reliable" information instead of ridiculous rumors and partisan spin.  My GUESS is we'll be adjusting by then and largely back to quasi-normalcy with additional precautions.  We were out walking and while there were a lot of folks out and about it was probably about half "normal" for a nice day hereabouts.  We went in Whole Foods and it was probably half normal.  They had plenty on the shelves.  The bar next door to us is full right now.

The public library closed for a while on us.  Bummer.  The art museum has closed.  I presume the symphony is cancelling, I have not heard from them.

The botanical garden was open yesterday.  They had a guy opening doors to the orchid center for everyone with a rag and spray bottle.  The park is pretty close to normal.

I worry about the smaller restaurants around.
To avoid that, trust Anthony Fauci.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: Hawkinole on March 15, 2020, 01:59:12 AM
An old saying is "A recession is when your neighbor loses his job, a depression is when you lose your job."

Statistics for most are largely meaningless unless personal.  If a LOT of us knew people killed in car accidents each year, folks would be more upset.  No one I've ever known has been killed in a car accident.  The figure used to be 50-60,000 a year.  It's the same with all categories of risk.  Few humans deal well with probabilities of that ilk.

We say that driving is more dangerous than flying.  Each flight disaster makes the news, a car accident makes the 11 PM news, perhaps, unless it's a busload of kids.  A shooting of 3-4 people barely makes the local news, a mass shooting of 50 is news for a week, or more, even if they are somewhat rare (thankfully).

When I was a kid, quicksand worried the heck out of me.  I've never seen any.  Most of us die of issues associated with obesity or pulmonary issues.  Think how dangerous smoking is for your health, and 20% of us do it routinely.  My Grandad smoked for 60 years and just died of old age, they think.
The U.S.A. had taken many steps not mandated by the federal government, and so I do have some optimism since the federal response has been opposite of robust.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: MrNubbz on March 15, 2020, 02:16:16 AM


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Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2020, 07:39:57 AM
The weather here is quite warm, we hit 81°F yesterday, so folks can get outside.  One's kids can play in the yard etc. some of the time here.

They will whine if they can't go to Johnnie's house of course.  Will we at some point experience a trucking disruption?  

Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MaximumSam on March 15, 2020, 07:58:30 AM
I get to return to work Monday, with 980 kids and 100 staff coming back from Spring Break.  Unknown how many kids and their families traveled to California, Mexico, etc.  Unknown if they've done a damn thing to avoid getting sick. 
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Lucky me.
Where are you that still has school?
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2020, 10:00:10 AM
We could read up on what virii actually are.

The slightly longer story is that most viruses consist of three key building blocks: ribonucleic acid (RNA), proteins and lipids. A virus-infected cell makes lots of these building blocks, which then spontaneously self-assemble to form the virus. Critically, there are no strong covalent bonds (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covalent_bond) holding these units together, which means you do not necessarily need harsh chemicals to split those units apart. When an infected cell dies, all these new viruses escape and go on to infect other cells. Some end up also in the airways of lungs.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/12/science-soap-kills-coronavirus-alcohol-based-disinfectants?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&linkId=84195997&fbclid=IwAR2_6AdaWEyhQlYAh6bBABGZ-RCIsgoKD6LSzQA1nGhOt413Xr2PvbrYigk (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/12/science-soap-kills-coronavirus-alcohol-based-disinfectants?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&linkId=84195997&fbclid=IwAR2_6AdaWEyhQlYAh6bBABGZ-RCIsgoKD6LSzQA1nGhOt413Xr2PvbrYigk)
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2020, 10:04:40 AM
Soap is interesting, it was made back in the day from fat and alkali usually from wood fire ash.  The fat is saponified, something that rips off the glycerol attached to it leaving a charged end (COO-).  One end remains fatty, olephilic, and the other is charged. In water, it forms micelles, with the charged ends pointing out and the fatty parts pointing in.  Any fatty stuff in the water tends to get trapped inside the micelles.

Detergents do the same thing but are made synthetically (from oil etc.).  So, soap rips apart the lipid (fatty) component of a virus and the rest falls apart.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MaximumSam on March 15, 2020, 10:30:03 AM
Dewine talking about closing schools for the rest of the year
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: FearlessF on March 15, 2020, 10:38:08 AM
Take them golfing
two inches of snow Friday evening saturday morning
cooler temps

rat farts!
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MarqHusker on March 15, 2020, 10:39:18 AM
That's the thinking around some folks in our biz.

Our BCP already has us working apart from each other through end of April.  Some other units will do this through May.  We simply cant close down no matter what,  hence some very aggressive measures.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MaximumSam on March 15, 2020, 01:20:17 PM
Watching the 2015 A-10 championship between Dayton and VCU. Randomly googled a guy for VCU named Mo Alie-Cox. Apparently he's a tight end for the Colts now.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MrNubbz on March 15, 2020, 02:07:29 PM
Soap is interesting, it was made back in the day from fat and alkali usually from wood fire ash.  The fat is saponified, something that rips off the glycerol attached to it leaving a charged end (COO-).  One end remains fatty, olephilic, and the other is charged. In water, it forms micelles, with the charged ends pointing out and the fatty parts pointing in.  Any fatty stuff in the water tends to get trapped inside the micelles.

Detergents do the same thing but are made synthetically (from oil etc.).  So, soap rips apart the lipid (fatty) component of a virus and the rest falls apart.
I read awhile back about lye,hard to believe how it was made from natural substances and could be so caustic.Had something to do with wood ash and water and different stages and ingrediants but I'm not dialed into to chemistry
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2020, 02:30:16 PM
Yeah, wood ash and fat was the old way of making soap, and if you got the proportions wrong you'd have caustic soap.  Ivory was different because they got a chemist to measure the alkalinity of the caustic they were buying so as to adjust the amount appropriately.  Cincinnati was a big hog slaughtering place so hog fat was cheap.  The story is that a worker went off for lunch and left the pot stirring too long and it whipped air into the soap, and people started asking for the soap that floats, confusing that with purity.  The ad claim of 99 44/100ths was one of the early advertising efforts in the US.

Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: FearlessF on March 15, 2020, 02:33:00 PM
gotta love cheap hog fat!
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2020, 02:52:24 PM
Those early chemists were really good, I think, with such limited equipment.  If you put me in one of those labs I'd be totally useless I suspect.  I imagine they could titrate for alkalinity using phenolphthalein.  
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: huskerdinie on March 15, 2020, 03:09:32 PM
I use the Kindle so getting new books is easy for me. But even with Amazon prime, it's only a 1-2 day wait.

I do words with friends because nobody in real life play will scrabble with me.
Yeah, I have quite a few books myself on my Nook, but I am one of those people who prefer being able to touch the pages and the smell of books brings back wonderful memories.  Weird, I know.  E-books just don't have the same feel.  Unfortunately for me, some of the authors I like to read have not switched to e-books exclusively but will for example have the first three books of a series in paperback, the next one only as an e-book, and the next two are back to paperback again.  Irritates me to be missing a part of a continuing story and being forced in a sense to buy the e-book if I want to know what's going on.  

I have the Scrabble board game to play with my sister but I also have it on my computer so I play against the computer when I'm by myself.  When my kids were little, we played Monopoly a lot but don't have the time for long extended games anymore which kinda takes the fun out of it, lol
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: FearlessF on March 15, 2020, 03:44:25 PM
I'm watching diners
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MaximumSam on March 15, 2020, 03:46:06 PM
Dewine ordering all bars and restaurants to close tonight
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: FearlessF on March 15, 2020, 03:47:21 PM
that sucks

take-out?

drive through service?
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: FearlessF on March 15, 2020, 03:48:11 PM
how many confirmed cases in Ohio?

any deaths?
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MaximumSam on March 15, 2020, 03:54:25 PM
Take out and delivery still ok. 36 confirmed cases and no deaths, though chief doctor has estimated 100,000 people in state has it. 
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MaximumSam on March 15, 2020, 03:55:55 PM
She compares this to a hurricane and these steps are necessary. Says there will be multiple Wuhans in this country
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: FearlessF on March 15, 2020, 04:06:23 PM
hope she's wrong
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 15, 2020, 04:16:09 PM
Show the kids how to cook. There is a cookbook at the top of the B1G board with recipes galore.

If the kids are old enough.. maybe they could organize said cookbook so it looks like it used to!!
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 15, 2020, 04:31:16 PM
I'm leaving DC tomorrow stay with my parents for the next few weeks. They just announced occupancy restrictions so it's only a matter of time before the whole city is effectively shut down. Hopefully the worst will be over by the end of the month, but I'm not getting my hopes up at this point.....
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: FearlessF on March 15, 2020, 04:31:31 PM
I pan seared a couple boneless pork loin chops and then simmered in some Bertolli tomato and basil sauce

cheap easy quick and tasty
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: bwarbiany on March 15, 2020, 06:23:32 PM
I like to have sporting events on the TV during the day on the weekend. I'm often not "watching" them per se, but it's a good thing for background noise that doesn't require a lot of active attention.

There's not even any of that going on...

Although, of all things I'm sitting here watching the XFL -- I guess they are still having games because it's not a mass gathering?
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MaximumSam on March 15, 2020, 06:27:56 PM
I like to have sporting events on the TV during the day on the weekend. I'm often not "watching" them per se, but it's a good thing for background noise that doesn't require a lot of active attention.

There's not even any of that going on...

Although, of all things I'm sitting here watching the XFL -- I guess they are still having games because it's not a mass gathering?
I thought they cancelled their season
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MaximumSam on March 15, 2020, 06:30:28 PM
I did buy a game called Dreams for PS4. Supposedly you can make your own games with it. Seemed like a worthy effort. Shakespeare wrote King Lear and I'll make a game where a bunny jumps across a bridge
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MarqHusker on March 15, 2020, 06:39:22 PM
Indiana did finish the HS gymnastics state tournament yesterday wo spectators.  I suppose a few parents were there.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 15, 2020, 08:09:17 PM
Play out the games yourself, with Whoa Nellie! college football board game!  :72:

https://whoanelliecollegefootball.com/ (https://whoanelliecollegefootball.com/)
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https://www.facebook.com/Whoa-Nellie-College-Football-Board-Game-1890813767885854/?modal=admin_todo_tour (https://www.facebook.com/Whoa-Nellie-College-Football-Board-Game-1890813767885854/?modal=admin_todo_tour)
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: FearlessF on March 15, 2020, 08:51:08 PM
watching a rerun of Hee Haw on the RDF channel

Bruce Jenner playing with Hee Haw's all jug band

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d0/30/fd/d030fd1d82b7ec589d103f743707a0ae.jpg)
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: CWSooner on March 15, 2020, 11:22:18 PM
Yeah, wood ash and fat was the old way of making soap, and if you got the proportions wrong you'd have caustic soap.  Ivory was different because they got a chemist to measure the alkalinity of the caustic they were buying so as to adjust the amount appropriately.  Cincinnati was a big hog slaughtering place so hog fat was cheap.  The story is that a worker went off for lunch and left the pot stirring too long and it whipped air into the soap, and people started asking for the soap that floats, confusing that with purity.  The ad claim of 99 44/100ths was one of the early advertising efforts in the US.
Ivory soap is good for soldiers in the field to use because it doesn't have any scent.  So the soldiers are without an artificial scent to attract bugs or to alert enemies of their presence.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: CWSooner on March 15, 2020, 11:27:32 PM
watching a rerun of Hee Haw on the RDF channel

Bruce Jenner playing with Hee Haw's all jug band

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d0/30/fd/d030fd1d82b7ec589d103f743707a0ae.jpg)
Is that Bruce with the gasoline can?
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: CatsbyAZ on March 15, 2020, 11:39:47 PM
As a project manager for construction out here in California, today I sent a concerning email to headquarters in Virginia questioning if they understand the liability of continuing construction projects amidst a global pandemic, National Emergency, restrictions on gatherings, expected rise in cases, etc.

Our (sub)contractors keep asking whether I plan to halt operations which HQs don’t give me the power to do (or I would). And my contractors won’t unilaterally decide for themselves because 1) their management only cares about getting paid and 2) they believe that standing down hurts their reputation for future bidding, and 3) my employer is on the hook when it comes to liability because we are the ones facilitating the environment where illness might spread.

My legal department soon responded with an email that began by barring me from discussing the details of their email.

And just a few hours ago the Governor of California announced a statewide closure of all Bars.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 16, 2020, 12:35:58 AM
Cue the speakeasies.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MarqHusker on March 16, 2020, 01:35:56 AM
That's already underway.  I see some discreet discussion of this in corners of my world.   I dont need unfamiliar company for my drinking. 

We've got a tight network of a few families near us where we've agreed to help each other cover w help w kids when absences are required.   Some, not all of us can work at home, though we've all agreed to lay low, outside of what's required of us.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: Cincydawg on March 16, 2020, 09:04:18 AM
Just back from Kroger here, it is nearly all restocked except TP and most canned goods.  Busier than usual but not crazy at all, no panic buying.  I imagine the companies that make TP and paper towels are making nearly all TP right now.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: CatsbyAZ on March 16, 2020, 08:17:04 PM
As a project manager for construction out here in California, today I sent a concerning email to headquarters in Virginia questioning if they understand the liability of continuing construction projects amidst a global pandemic, National Emergency, restrictions on gatherings, expected rise in cases, etc.


Day 2 of Pandemic Construction and early this morning we received a letter on behalf of all contractors citing their concerns over potential delay, especially given the school closures conflicting with employee availability. Between the lines they’re saying two things: 1) “we don’t want to be the ones deciding whether our employees should continue working - that’s your call!” AND 2) “we’re making a case to alleviate our responsibility for potential progress delays.”

Whenever there’s a contract delay the lawyers get involved and investigate who’s to blame to determine who does and doesn’t receive continued payment.

And to top it off, two subcontractors scheduled to fly in from Seattle and Florida informed us that their new precautions will not allow them to attend our project.

Off to a good start!
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: Kris60 on March 16, 2020, 08:47:14 PM
Company has me working remotely until April 3.  I have no idea how that is going to look but I can only do so much from home.  Kids are off indefinitely at this point but do have work to keep them somewhat busy.  Wife is an administrator at a primary care clinic so her workload and stress has intensified.  Looks like the grocery shopping, cooking, and general household duties is all mine for a little while anyway.

Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: FearlessF on March 16, 2020, 09:22:26 PM
I could work from home almost as effectively as from the office.  My boss knows this.  I'll be at the office as normal unless I have a fever
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MarqHusker on March 17, 2020, 12:36:38 AM
Some of us managers/middle managers have been talking about one of the long term (potential) impacts of this crisis, is a number of companies will come to realize or at least be able to validate that they sure don't need to have as much expensive office space.  (a question considered already I know, but now we're going to have a really good beta test).

Now, this is already happening in all kinds of industries, and WFH has become mostly acceptable in many industries, but some of the metrics on this will tell quite a story 6, 9, 12+ months down the road on this.   This will be a very interesting social experiment, among others.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 17, 2020, 12:39:59 AM
Natural progression towards the inevitable?
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MarqHusker on March 17, 2020, 01:49:02 AM
Another, and I'm not excited or happy about these convos, will be how crime rates and types will be impacted by this.  These conversations I've been having at a safe distance with friends and neighbors have been fascinating.  Really .  
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2020, 07:04:39 AM
We had optional "work from home" back in the day 1-2 days a week.  What many did was check their email regularly and then do whatever they wanted to do.  Of course, this is what many of them did at work, but they'd make some effort to appear to be "busy".  One guy would get up and walk at a brisk pace around the building every hour or so to "be seen".  He'd carry a notepad and look very purposeful.  He'd make a point to walk by the "Leadership Zone" several times and then go back to his office.  We had so many useless people there who basically made work for others.

Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: LetsGoPeay on March 17, 2020, 08:17:24 AM
I'm a high school administrator in East Central Indiana. We are closed until April 13 but I still have to come in every day. Starting tomorrow I will just be doing half days until the end of this thing. My kids are all at home. My oldest two are extremely frustrated. They are the two athletically inclined ones and with the schools and the Y being closed they don't really have a lot of options for basketball. Its still too cold and windy for outdoor games. 
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MrNubbz on March 17, 2020, 08:22:18 AM
Another, and I'm not excited or happy about these convos, will be how crime rates and types will be impacted by this.    
Bad time to get into porch pirating
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MrNubbz on March 17, 2020, 08:23:44 AM
. Its still too cold and windy for outdoor games.
Pretty sure Grouse season is over to
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2020, 08:41:49 AM
The most remarkable things about my "career" was that I spent my last 12 years doing almost nothing, and when I left, I was replaced with two people at the same pay grade.  When I first started that new assignment, for a year I kept thinking there surely was something I was supposed to be doing, but I never figured it out.  So, I posted here a lot.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 17, 2020, 09:55:18 AM
Another, and I'm not excited or happy about these convos, will be how crime rates and types will be impacted by this.  These conversations I've been having at a safe distance with friends and neighbors have been fascinating.  Really . 
Our school is replacing the solar panels on the covered parking out front, and they made a huge mistake.  They left their lifts (5 or 6 of them) over the weekend and the batteries were stolen out of them.  I'm not sure if it was for the batteries themselves or a copper component or whatever, but in the ghetto, you don't leave anything overnight you still want to possess the next morning.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 17, 2020, 10:00:13 AM
Our school is replacing the solar panels on the covered parking out front, and they made a huge mistake.  They left their lifts (5 or 6 of them) over the weekend and the batteries were stolen out of them.  I'm not sure if it was for the batteries themselves or a copper component or whatever, but in the ghetto, you don't leave anything overnight you still want to possess the next morning.
So.. Who is to blame for this?

The contractor who left the items, or the criminals who stole the items?
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: bwarbiany on March 17, 2020, 10:15:29 AM
So.. Who is to blame for this?

The contractor who left the items, or the criminals who stole the items?
The criminals are to blame, of course...

...the contractor is certainly guilty of poor judgement, though. 
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2020, 10:23:17 AM
Kid #2 works for a large trucking company and tells me theft of wheels and tires is a big issue for them.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: bwarbiany on March 17, 2020, 10:28:23 AM
It was common practice on job sites in my teenage years that contractors often had a big "Jobox" job box containing tools, equipment, and whatnot.

When they left for the day, they would suspend the Jobox 30-40 feet off the ground using a crane, which was more than effective to secure it for the evening. 
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 17, 2020, 10:37:39 AM
These people need jobs, but that starts with parenting and education.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: utee94 on March 17, 2020, 10:40:56 AM
Our school is replacing the solar panels on the covered parking out front, and they made a huge mistake.  They left their lifts (5 or 6 of them) over the weekend and the batteries were stolen out of them.  I'm not sure if it was for the batteries themselves or a copper component or whatever, but in the ghetto, you don't leave anything overnight you still want to possess the next morning.
My grandpa was a trader out in West Texas from the 50s through the 80s, and made frequent trips into the deep interior of Mexico.  He'd go down there with tools and electronics or whatever, and come back with random things like 25' fishing boats or Mexican army surplus, and sell that stuff in the US.

(As an aside, one time he came back with his long 32' cargo trailer stacked high with steel 4x8' utility trailers.  He had driven into the US from a town on the western shores of Mexico along the Sea of Cortez, and traveled through a snow storm in New Mexico, before arriving at our house in Austin.  This was probably some time in late March, maybe Spring Break, and it was warm and sunny here.  But those trailers were all full of snow, and my entire block of neighborhood kids had a huge snowball fight.  One of our local TV stations was nearby and one of their newspeople drove by and saw it, and came back a half-hour later with a camera crew, and we made the local news that night.  That was big news in Austin, Texas in 1979, I guess.)

Anyway, stealing car batteries was a big thing in Mexico at the time, and he had a giant hasp with a massive padlock bolted to the top of his pickup truck's hood, to prevent easy theft of his truck battery.


Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MrNubbz on March 17, 2020, 10:53:19 AM
The most remarkable things about my "career" was that I spent my last 12 years doing almost nothing, and when I left, I was replaced with two people at the same pay grade.  When I first started that new assignment, for a year I kept thinking there surely was something I was supposed to be doing, but I never figured it out.  So, I posted here a lot.
Hell I could moved to Cinci for a stretch - where do i apply.Fairly certain I'm as good to doing next to nothing as the next guy
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2020, 12:35:00 PM
boy howdy!
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2020, 12:36:04 PM
Pretty sure Grouse season is over to
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Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2020, 12:59:51 PM
https://www.wired.com/story/fda-approves-the-first-commercial-coronavirus-tests-in-the-us/?mbid=social_facebook&utm_brand=wired&utm_medium=social&utm_social-type=owned&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1ld6tlIjurmPqgkyWbtoWaa0qE2kXNDISY32rOailvxmqA7WbHNufMwzE (https://www.wired.com/story/fda-approves-the-first-commercial-coronavirus-tests-in-the-us/?mbid=social_facebook&utm_brand=wired&utm_medium=social&utm_social-type=owned&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1ld6tlIjurmPqgkyWbtoWaa0qE2kXNDISY32rOailvxmqA7WbHNufMwzE)

Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MaximumSam on March 17, 2020, 01:15:52 PM
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Nice I went there when I was in Scotland
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2020, 01:19:56 PM
https://www.wired.com/story/fda-approves-the-first-commercial-coronavirus-tests-in-the-us/?mbid=social_facebook&utm_brand=wired&utm_medium=social&utm_social-type=owned&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1ld6tlIjurmPqgkyWbtoWaa0qE2kXNDISY32rOailvxmqA7WbHNufMwzE (https://www.wired.com/story/fda-approves-the-first-commercial-coronavirus-tests-in-the-us/?mbid=social_facebook&utm_brand=wired&utm_medium=social&utm_social-type=owned&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1ld6tlIjurmPqgkyWbtoWaa0qE2kXNDISY32rOailvxmqA7WbHNufMwzE)


so the previous tests were not commercial?
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2020, 01:52:15 PM
Obviously not.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2020, 01:58:28 PM
Daughter hear at home just learned she's out of work at the Olive Garden

Governor has shut down everything

guess I'll be eating and drinking at home - easy for me

not good for my daughter, but she's lucky, doesn't pay much for rent and her grocery bill isn't bad.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: bwarbiany on March 17, 2020, 02:00:29 PM
Apparently Orange County is about to release some sort of health order shutting down all dine-in establishments. Take-out and delivery only. 

I logged into a live stream of the board of supervisors meeting this morning, but late, so I don't know if it's more expansive as in the Bay Area, or only restaurants/bars/etc.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: Hawkinole on March 17, 2020, 02:05:58 PM
Daughter hear at home just learned she's out of work at the Olive Garden

Governor has shut down everything

guess I'll be eating and drinking at home - easy for me

not good for my daughter, but she's lucky, doesn't pay much for rent and her grocery bill isn't bad.
Everything means, bars, restaurants, schools, gyms, theaters, and casinos. Our courthouse is still open, but courthouses in two adjacent counties are closed. Carry out and delivery remain available.

My daughter works at a grocery store. In Iowa grocery stores are packed with people. Initially, because school was shutdown yesterday, and now with the bars and restaurants closed even more people will be congregating in grocery stores. She is home for spring break so fortunately is not working this week. Grocery stores will be a place of potential spread unless they do as they do in Italy and limit the #s of people inside the store at one time.

With only 23 cases confirmed in Iowa, and very limited testing, I am guessing the government has more information than it is giving. I suspect there have been a lot of negative tests for influenza at times COVID-19 wasn't being tested. Just a guess.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 17, 2020, 02:33:58 PM
I just got laid off until this all blows over. Sucks, but I sorta saw it coming. I make helmet decals, and no one is playing sports; nor are any schools open, and they are the bulk of our customer base obviously. 
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: bwarbiany on March 17, 2020, 02:35:55 PM
I just got laid off until this all blows over. Sucks, but I sorta saw it coming. I make helmet decals, and no one is playing sports; nor are any schools open, and they are the bulk of our customer base obviously.
Sorry to hear that, man. Good luck. 
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 17, 2020, 02:58:42 PM
Good luck B.B.

We're getting takeout tonight, to help support the locals. Pick up at the curb.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: huskerdinie on March 17, 2020, 04:16:37 PM
Fairly quiet here in Lincoln.  I am retired, so no work problem for me.  Husband works at a truck stop and as of today, no plans to shut down the restaurant part, so he is still going in to work.  My son works as a security guard for a company here in Lincoln and probably 99% of employees I think are working from home, so he sits at his desk and plays games all day, lol.  I think he said it's pretty much him and the receptionist who are actually physically there.  

Went to both Wal-Mart and Hy-Vee today and had no problems stocking up my grocery list for the next couple of weeks.  Of course, the only thing I couldn't get was TP but Hy-Vee said hopefully would get more in tonight (fingers crossed).  

We went out yesterday and bought our new car and the salesman was very accommodating, offering wipes / hand sanitizers.  So far, most people I have interacted with have been very nonchalant and as friendly as ever, just eliminating handshakes and doing elbow bumps instead.  No one was obnoxious and while we maintained a fair distance from one another when possible, there were no overt acts of aggression.  Most people were pretty calm and it really felt like just any other day at the grocery store. 

My daughter in Kentucky said today was the first day of homeschooling.  I am glad I gave her our family heirloom table which, when all six leaves are in, can seat 22 people.  Plenty of room for the kids to spread out homework.  She says most of her kids have had sinus colds so she is staying close to home and her husband (who works at a brewery) is doing all the errand running and shopping.  

Family members in South Dakota and Wyoming all seem to be doing well. My uncle who lives in NJ was planning on coming down for the internment of Mom's ashes, but was hesitant to do so.  Probably couldn't fly anyway.  So, that has been postponed for another month or so.  Luckily, it is only family who will be there, so not too many schedules to juggle, since all four of us kids are retired / semi-retired.  

Hope all of you living in more infected areas stay safe and healthy.  This too shall pass.  
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MrNubbz on March 17, 2020, 04:19:49 PM
I just got laid off until this all blows over. Sucks, but I sorta saw it coming. I make helmet decals, and no one is playing sports; nor are any schools open, and they are the bulk of our customer base obviously.
Sign up for unemployment you've earned and paid into it - good luck.Of course now that is prolly electronically tabulated.Back when I 1st got walking papers you had to hoof it and sign up at the local state office
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: utee94 on March 17, 2020, 04:37:22 PM
Yes my condolences to all who are already being affected financially, this is going to be tough.  I'm fortunate enough to be able to work from home 100%, I already did probably 95% of the time and my team is distributed nationally so no worries there.

My i s c & a aggie wife is a physical therapist and her clinic has closed its doors for the next 3 weeks, and I believe it'll likely be longer.  She will not be paid during the shutdown.  We could use her vacation time and personal business allowance, but we're  fine without it, for now.  We'll save it for later in the year if/when things get worse around here.

Like many other places, restaurants and bars are shut-down in Austin, Houston, and Dallas as of today, excluding take-out.  

Y'all hang in there!
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: MrNubbz on March 17, 2020, 04:41:59 PM
Send some Tito's and I'll promise to make an effort
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 17, 2020, 04:54:34 PM
Phoenix has shut down all restaurants and bars, etc.  I got sent home for 2 weeks, but I'd be surprised if that isn't extended later.  
The big plus is that our classified staff (non-teachers) are still getting paid - ordinarily, they're the ones who get screwed in times like this.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: bwarbiany on March 17, 2020, 05:03:21 PM
Phoenix has shut down all restaurants and bars, etc.  I got sent home for 2 weeks, but I'd be surprised if that isn't extended later. 
The big plus is that our classified staff (non-teachers) are still getting paid - ordinarily, they're the ones who get screwed in times like this.
Yeah, for my kids the charter school came out a day before the public schools and said they were shutting down through the end of Spring Break (4 weeks).

The public school said they're closing down for 2 weeks, with an option to add a 3rd... Which would then add another week taking them through Spring Break as well for 4 weeks.

They haven't yet said they're adding the 3rd week, but we all know it's going to happen.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Hawkinole on March 17, 2020, 05:47:19 PM
I just learned from a factory worker that one of our town's major employers, Henderson Products, Inc. (Makes dump bodies, road salt spreaders, and snow plows), is closing for two weeks. Its parent company had a confirmed COVID-19 dx, but at a plant in another state. I haven't heard how they made the decision to close the manufacturing plant here.

This is taking such a big bite out of GDP. It is worrisome financially. It will take a long time for our country to recover.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 17, 2020, 06:30:12 PM
I think we will see recovery begin by June or so. GDP will be down this year, but the economy doesn't have any fundamental flaws. We need to stay strong, optimistic and vigilant. This shall pass.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on March 17, 2020, 06:48:46 PM
This is surreal to me on several levels.  

First, driving through my normally bustling downtown business district and seeing almost no parked cars with just a few parked at the new makeshift curbside pick-up points in front of what were busy restaurants a few days ago is just surreal.  

Second, the speed at which this went from seeming like a problem mostly abroad and probably not that big of a deal into massive shut-downs is just astounding:


Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 17, 2020, 06:51:00 PM
Yep, it's F'd up.

I need a haircut!! My hair hasn't been more than 1/2" long since I don't remember. I look like the Shaggy D.A.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 17, 2020, 06:53:18 PM
This is surreal to me on several levels. 

First, driving through my normally bustling downtown business district and seeing almost no parked cars with just a few parked at the new makeshift curbside pick-up points in front of what were busy restaurants a few days ago is just surreal. 
Well, all I can say is get your grocery shopping done, i.e. get enough shelf-stable foods (pasta, canned goods, frozen items) to cover yourself for ~2 weeks before everyone else does.

Here on the west coast it got surreal last week.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2020, 07:02:33 PM
This is surreal to me on several levels. 
  •  
  • Thursday morning (3/12) things were sounding ominous but still proceeding.  The Michigan and Rutgers BB squads were actually on the court doing warmups for their noon game and I was looking forward to watching tOSU/PU when I got home from work. 
  • Then the world blew up.  They cancelled the BTT just before tip-off of the M/RU game.  Within a rapid succession after that the NCAA Tournament was cancelled, then Bars and Restaurants were ordered to shut down and now we are living in this weird ghost-town. 


thank God this didn't blow up during football season
and pray to God that this is over enough for football to start up and run almost normally in Sept
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2020, 08:14:40 PM
Sign up for unemployment you've earned and paid into it - good luck.Of course now that is prolly electronically tabulated.Back when I 1st got walking papers you had to hoof it and sign up at the local state office
told both daughters to get in line early
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2020, 08:20:22 PM
Good luck B.B.

We're getting takeout tonight, to help support the locals. Pick up at the curb.
I stopped by the brewery, took out a 32 oz and a growler

left a hefty tip
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2020, 08:25:25 PM
Fairly quiet here in Lincoln.  I am retired, so no work problem for me.  Husband works at a truck stop and as of today, no plans to shut down the restaurant part, so he is still going in to work.  My son works as a security guard for a company here in Lincoln and probably 99% of employees I think are working from home, so he sits at his desk and plays games all day, lol.  I think he said it's pretty much him and the receptionist who are actually physically there. 

truck stop restaurants are exempt?  cool
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Honestbuckeye on March 17, 2020, 08:38:07 PM
I think we will see recovery begin by June or so. GDP will be down this year, but the economy doesn't have any fundamental flaws. We need to stay strong, optimistic and vigilant. This shall pass.
Amen.   Being in banking- we feel it is our responsibility to do whatever it takes to keep the framework strong.  Low interest loans (no interest in some cases), forgiven late payments with no credit reporting, skip a payment on auto, home and other loans.   Plus- working nearly round the clock to ensure atms are filled, clean and functional, call center is staffed and digital banking remains in compromised. On top of that many of our employees are volunteering to help with things like day care, shopping for the elderly and other things.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 17, 2020, 08:46:50 PM
I'm as financially savvy as a 2 year-old, but with a 0% interest rate, why shouldn't I borrow a million bucks and just spend the rest of my life paying it back, bit-by-bit?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2020, 08:49:13 PM
Just because the Fed reduces rates to near 0% for short term loans to member banks doesn't mean any of us can get a loan at that rate, with no collateral, or even with.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2020, 08:49:46 PM
Some of the EU country bonds are paying negative interest right now.  We might see that here.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: CatsbyAZ on March 17, 2020, 08:52:02 PM

And to top it off, two subcontractors scheduled to fly in from Seattle and Florida informed us that their new precautions will not allow them to attend our project.


A missing piece of information in all this is that construction is funded by federal money. As of today four personnel have tested positive on the base of probably 12,000 where were working. From a statistical standpoint it’s an inevitability that I’ll be exposed to COVID-19 given the high interaction required on construction sites.

I’ve raised the red flag over liability to HQs via several emails and their stance is “Mission First Mission First.” 

Anyone got any advice when it comes to what I can do to legally represent myself if I get sick? I’d rather for those I answer to have to hear it from a lawyer rather than me personally.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2020, 08:58:34 PM
I will be receiving a refund on my spring game tickets

on the bright side, it frees me up to play a two day tournament at my home golf course
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 17, 2020, 09:00:29 PM
I'm as financially savvy as a 2 year-old, but with a 0% interest rate, why shouldn't I borrow a million bucks and just spend the rest of my life paying it back, bit-by-bit?
Because nobody would give it to you without an 820?


Seriously. To get that kind of credit, you need history. Lots and lots of history.



I'll be at my bank tomorrow.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2020, 09:08:30 PM
I spoke with my financial advisor this afternoon

moved some things around

will max my Roth account this year
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 17, 2020, 09:19:13 PM
Yeah, well, for people who are able, they're all going to take advantage of this, or should.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 17, 2020, 09:26:27 PM
Of course. Why not?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2020, 09:28:06 PM
I'm not looking to take on debt, even at 0%

it will cost you something upfront

not sure what I'd purchase that will be assured to gain value over the next few months or even years
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 17, 2020, 09:40:41 PM
Kegerator
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 17, 2020, 09:45:24 PM
Of course. Why not?
Serious question,would you buy Corona stock - gotta be heading down and out.Thinking the preppies will return to it when everyone comes out to play
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2020, 09:47:16 PM
buying Amazon and internet stocks and medical stocks

well that's what my guy said he bought for me before the market closed this afternoon
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: CWSooner on March 17, 2020, 10:53:18 PM
Phoenix has shut down all restaurants and bars, etc.  I got sent home for 2 weeks, but I'd be surprised if that isn't extended later. 
The big plus is that our classified staff (non-teachers) are still getting paid - ordinarily, they're the ones who get screwed in times like this.
Our non-teachers are also going to be paid.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: CWSooner on March 17, 2020, 10:57:13 PM
Yep, it's F'd up.

I need a haircut!! My hair hasn't been more than 1/2" long since I don't remember. I look like the Shaggy D.A.
Would Mrs. Badge cut your hair if you got her some clippers?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: CWSooner on March 17, 2020, 10:59:47 PM
Some of the EU country bonds are paying negative interest right now.  We might see that here.
Why would anyone buy bonds at a negative interest rate rather than just putting the money in a savings account, or even in a cookie jar?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MaximumSam on March 18, 2020, 07:11:13 AM
Kegerator
LOL wish I had one - my buddy's friend's bar has like 10 kegs of green beer they can't do anything with
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 18, 2020, 08:56:07 AM
Would Mrs. Badge cut your hair if you got her some clippers?
Nah. She wants me to grow it long.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 18, 2020, 09:20:56 AM
Serious question,would you buy Corona stock - gotta be heading down and out.Thinking the preppies will return to it when everyone comes out to play
Will probably head even lower for a while? Some are recommending it as a buy.

Sounds like BUD (Anheuser-Busch makes Corona) has a lot of debt, which is a problem, but they are addressing it, which is good.
Title: Re: Quarantine Entertainment
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on March 18, 2020, 09:55:53 AM
I just got laid off until this all blows over. Sucks, but I sorta saw it coming. I make helmet decals, and no one is playing sports; nor are any schools open, and they are the bulk of our customer base obviously.
Sad to hear, good luck!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 18, 2020, 10:01:54 AM
LOL wish I had one - my buddy's friend's bar has like 10 kegs of green beer they can't do anything with
I can think of something
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: TyphonInc on March 18, 2020, 11:16:12 AM
I just got laid off until this all blows over. Sucks, but I sorta saw it coming. I make helmet decals, and no one is playing sports; nor are any schools open, and they are the bulk of our customer base obviously.

Condolences. Are things going to be ok during this time? Are you local to Columbus? If you could use more than an encouraging word send me a PM.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 18, 2020, 11:26:03 AM
Yeah, I'm not in Columbus but I know this board will come together to help one another.

Anyone... let us know.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Honestbuckeye on March 18, 2020, 12:17:04 PM
Yeah, I'm not in Columbus but I know this board will come together to help one another.

Anyone... let us know.
Ditto 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 18, 2020, 01:12:20 PM
Yeah, I'm not in Columbus but I know this board will come together to help one another.

Anyone... let us know.
I could use a platter of Utee's enchiladas 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 18, 2020, 01:18:38 PM
I could use a platter of Utee's enchiladas
I took @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) 's instructions and put them in a word document, and saved it as a PDF. See attached.

I don't suppose you expect we'll actually cook them for you, right? :57:
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: huskerdinie on March 18, 2020, 01:36:02 PM
truck stop restaurants are exempt?  cool
The restaurant may still close, but the truck stop itself has to stay open; I think there might be plans to have the restaurant staff be available for some type of pick up orders for the truckers; who knows it's all wait and see at this point. Whatever we gotta do to keep the supply lines open because God knows we all need what the truckers deliver.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 18, 2020, 01:51:22 PM
after hurricane florance and a huge number of people losing their homes in my region, many kids went back to school without basic needs being met at home... 

some rich person local to the area did something nobody anticipated- and did it anonymously.  they donated 'free meals' for kids for the rest of the year.... they picked up the tab for all school kids.  that is no small 'donation'.  the idea was that kids get fed and parents can apply that money, however small (but more valued by some than others) where it was needed. 

since then, there has been several organizations stand up and do the same thing.  kids still pay for 'snacks' at school, but they don't pay for primary meals, which includes breakfasts. 

as mentioned elsewhere on the site today, buses are running twice a day still.... this is fantastic... no kids go to school, but those bus's run and bring both breakfast and lunch to kids.  all the kid has to do is be standing at the regular bus stop to get them...... courtesy a 'wealthy donor'.... which prompted many others to join in. 

I freakin' LOVE America.  We talk smack and have our differences, but we stand together and are one hellacious force to be reckoned with in times like these. 
Title: fun with ArcGIS and this thing
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 18, 2020, 02:26:56 PM
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)

almost live tracking of the virus... you can drill down to your neighborhood. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 18, 2020, 02:46:31 PM
Our district is doing the same, at the district's expense.  We've had about 3 different plans since Saturday, and with news that they're likely calling for the cancellation of the rest of the school year, the plan is going to change again. 

I absolutely can't complain, though, as we're getting paid regardless.  The "we're all coming together" part that's beautiful is the paying of the hourly classified staff. 

I am going to need some TP soon....down to a roll and a half.  I guess I could just eat less.  The last grocery trip I took, I found myself tossing out my dietary restrictions and just looking for high-calorie stuff.  That was the panic creeping in.  On the plus side, I'm enjoying foods I haven't had in 8 months, lol.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 18, 2020, 02:53:42 PM
More fun reading:

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/history-of-pandemics-deadliest/
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Hawkinole on March 18, 2020, 03:04:10 PM
Testing is way too restrictive. These are the testing restrictions in Iowa.

Please DO NOT send samples to the State Hygienic Laboratory if they do not meet these criteria:
Iowa State Hygienic Lab Testing Resrictions for COVID-19 (http://shl.uiowa.edu/dcd/covid19.xml)


The restrictive testing is damaging the economy, and risks health and safety.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 18, 2020, 03:09:10 PM
I took @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) 's instructions and put them in a word document, and saved it as a PDF. See attached.

I don't suppose you expect we'll actually cook them for you, right? :57:
Slacker
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 18, 2020, 03:18:30 PM
THey had an advisor from the county board of health interrupting my favorite radio program.Saying that when/if purchasing frozen goods that the boxes should be wiped down with a disinfectant then hands washed.Gotta say i never thought of that considering all the frozen pizzas I've wolfed down.looked in the freezer there were enchiladas,burgers,dogs,etc.I know freezing itself can kill many germs 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 18, 2020, 03:23:10 PM
you fellers in colder climates need to find a good Sauna and get it... three or four times a day go in that thing and breathe deeply.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 18, 2020, 03:26:54 PM
I was thinking of joining the local polar bear club.Wouldn't virus/germs multipy under warmer conditions?As a precaution I'm applying Mr Beam's Elixir
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 18, 2020, 03:31:22 PM
Testing is way too restrictive. These are the testing restrictions in Iowa.

The restrictive testing is damaging the economy, and risks health and safety.
Part of this is limits on available tests. Yesterday morning I was tipped off to a live stream of the Orange County Board of Supervisors who were discussing the [now released] health order basically shutting everything except essential services down. 

One of the things that they were talking about is that they'd only tested 300 people in Orange County--and furthermore, they only had a little over 1,000 test kits available for testing more people. This is in a county of >3M people. 

I think the testing restrictions aren't because they don't want to test these people, it's because they're trying to ration very few test kits to the most necessary cases.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 18, 2020, 03:34:57 PM
supposedly this one is vulnerable to temperatures above 110* which is why some are recommending a lot of outside time in the sunshine and getting those lungs working... or inhaling warm air deeply several times a day... bringing the nasal and sinus cavities temperature up in effort to kill it.  

who the frick knows what's a fact and not.... 

i'm considering using my electronic footprint to start a rumor that women being naked and men looking at naked women cures this after ten full fifteen minute sessions. 

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 18, 2020, 03:44:03 PM
i'm considering using my electronic footprint to start a rumor that women being naked and men looking at naked women cures this after ten full fifteen minute sessions.
If they really cared they would move forward with these scientific findings.Feels good to headline the news
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Hawkinole on March 18, 2020, 04:00:30 PM
Part of this is limits on available tests. Yesterday morning I was tipped off to a live stream of the Orange County Board of Supervisors who were discussing the [now released] health order basically shutting everything except essential services down.

One of the things that they were talking about is that they'd only tested 300 people in Orange County--and furthermore, they only had a little over 1,000 test kits available for testing more people. This is in a county of >3M people.

I think the testing restrictions aren't because they don't want to test these people, it's because they're trying to ration very few test kits to the most necessary cases.
I understand the reasons for rationing tests, but had we gotten out front on testing, we would be better targeted in our responses to the pandemic, which I think we can have almost universal agreement.

I want to know if this is spreading in rural Iowa. If it is, I can tell you that with all the people flocking to Fareway and Hy-Vee,  those places would be a cesspool for spread of COVID-19. There are no limits on the number of people congregating in grocery stores.  I suspect by the end of the week there will be security at the entrance to grocery stores limiting the # who can be inside at any one time.

If it is not spreading in rural Iowa, it would help calm things down a bit. And we could open things up a bit more; we should not be closing factories if it is not spreading here. We should restrict travel outside each county to essential travel.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 18, 2020, 04:22:07 PM
Agreed. The ball was clearly dropped on testing. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 18, 2020, 05:08:48 PM
Yesterday, the governor of our state allowed elections to happen. I have no idea why, since he closed schools, bars, restaurants, gyms, etc. But, they happened. Decent turnout, all things considered, but it was a shit show. No hand sanitizer or wipes at many polling places. Machines right on top of each other. Just a complete cluster, and he owns it.

So, we'll probably see spread here.

It was the first time I haven't voted in an election in 35 years, before I was allowed to.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 18, 2020, 05:21:02 PM
Yesterday, the governor of our state allowed elections to happen. I have no idea why, since he closed schools, bars, restaurants, gyms, etc. But, they happened. Decent turnout, all things considered, but it was a shit show. No hand sanitizer or wipes at many polling places. Machines right on top of each other. Just a complete cluster, and he owns it.

So, we'll probably see spread here.

It was the first time I haven't voted in an election in 35 years, before I was allowed to.
I'm a permanent vote-by-mail participant. 

I did that after literally two Presidential elections in a row (2008/2012) I happened to be traveling for work on election day and couldn't vote. 

And vote-by-mail doesn't spread any germs lol :72:
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 18, 2020, 06:07:08 PM
I'm a permanent vote-by-mail participant.

I did that after literally two Presidential elections in a row (2008/2012) I happened to be traveling for work on election day and couldn't vote.

And vote-by-mail doesn't spread any germs lol :72:
Better yet make online voting widely adopted.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 18, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
Testing is way too restrictive. These are the testing restrictions in Iowa.

Please DO NOT send samples to the State Hygienic Laboratory if they do not meet these criteria:
  • Hospitalized patient with fever and respiratory failure and no alternate diagnosis
  • Hospitalized older adult (> 60 years of age) with fever or respiratory symptoms (e.g., cough, difficulty breathing) and chronic medical conditions (e.g., diabetes, heart disease, immunosuppressive medications, chronic lung disease, or chronic kidney disease)
  • Any person (including healthcare providers) with household contact with a laboratory confirmed case of COVID-19 in the 14 days prior to becoming ill with fever or respiratory symptoms (e.g., cough, difficulty breathing)
  • Any person with a history of international travel to a country with a Level 3 CDC travel health warning (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/index.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/index.html)) or has taken an international cruise in the 14 days prior to becoming ill with fever and respiratory symptoms (e.g., cough, difficulty breathing) and no alternate diagnosis
Iowa State Hygienic Lab Testing Resrictions for COVID-19 (http://shl.uiowa.edu/dcd/covid19.xml)


The restrictive testing is damaging the economy, and risks health and safety.


I assume this is because there are not enough tests for anyone that simply wants a test.  Hopefully this will resolve itself soon.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 18, 2020, 06:26:19 PM
Testing is way too restrictive. These are the testing restrictions in Iowa.

The restrictive testing is damaging the economy, and risks health and safety.


Woodbury County Heath Dept addressed this restricted testing this morning.
They would not say how many tests had been administered or how many tests were available, but with these restrictions ALL tests had come back negative.

Perhaps only 3 folks have been tested, but it's still good news
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on March 18, 2020, 06:26:55 PM
Yesterday, the governor of our state allowed elections to happen. I have no idea why, since he closed schools, bars, restaurants, gyms, etc. But, they happened. Decent turnout, all things considered, but it was a shit show. No hand sanitizer or wipes at many polling places. Machines right on top of each other. Just a complete cluster, and he owns it.

So, we'll probably see spread here.

It was the first time I haven't voted in an election in 35 years, before I was allowed to.
In an A-political way, that was deeply foolish and shame on him. Terrible. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 18, 2020, 06:28:37 PM
supposedly this one is vulnerable to temperatures above 110* which is why some are recommending a lot of outside time in the sunshine and getting those lungs working... or inhaling warm air deeply several times a day... bringing the nasal and sinus cavities temperature up in effort to kill it. 

I'm not a doctor, but it would seem to me that if the virus made it into my lungs, it would be too late
perhaps you could lessen the symptoms?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: huskerdinie on March 18, 2020, 07:15:53 PM
The restaurant may still close, but the truck stop itself has to stay open; I think there might be plans to have the restaurant staff be available for some type of pick up orders for the truckers; who knows it's all wait and see at this point. Whatever we gotta do to keep the supply lines open because God knows we all need what the truckers deliver. 
My husband's boss called this afternoon; they are going to strictly take-out orders and while they may have to cut some hours, the plan right now is to take advantage of closing the dine-in areas and doing a deep clean from ceilings to floors which will also have the benefit of giving workers the opportunity to maintain close to their regular hours and avoid being laid off.  They may have to apply for partial unemployment but at least they will still have a job.  I'll be curious to hear how it all went today when my hubby gets home.   
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: FearlessF on March 18, 2020, 07:53:40 PM
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]Nebraska is listed among six Big Ten teams [/color]hurt the most (https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/the-b1g-teams-that-will-be-hurt-most-by-the-loss-of-spring-practice/)[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] by the loss of spring drills.[/color]
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 18, 2020, 08:00:37 PM
supposedly this one is vulnerable to temperatures above 110* which is why some are recommending a lot of outside time in the sunshine and getting those lungs working... or inhaling warm air deeply several times a day... bringing the nasal and sinus cavities temperature up in effort to kill it. 

who the frick knows what's a fact and not....

i'm considering using my electronic footprint to start a rumor that women being naked and men looking at naked women cures this after ten full fifteen minute sessions.


If the air in your lungs was that hot, you'd be hospitalized.  
Even when you exhale as much as you can, your lungs still have plenty of air to cool very warm air you're breathing back in.  It's a fantasy.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 18, 2020, 08:10:10 PM
My gym, with the steam room, is now closed. Good idea, but, nope.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Razorchique on March 18, 2020, 08:11:43 PM
I play this ridiculous online multiplayer game and have for about four years.  It's called Grepolis.  You take cities from people.  And it's real time.  So unless you're crazy enough to like to be woken up in the middle of the night with attack alarms, I don't suggest it....but it does pass the time.  And I highly doubt my job will close.  My office has three people in it on the top floor, so unless the government makes us shut down, my boss will always find something for us to do.

For the rest of you, stay safe and well.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 18, 2020, 08:13:41 PM
I play this ridiculous online multiplayer game and have for about four years.  It's called Grepolis.  You take cities from people.  And it's real time.  So unless you're crazy enough to like to be woken up in the middle of the night with attack alarms, I don't suggest it....but it does pass the time.  And I highly doubt my job will close.  My office has three people in it on the top floor, so unless the government makes us shut down, my boss will always find something for us to do.

For the rest of you, stay safe and well. 
Hi!!

Mrs. 847 retired yesterday.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Razorchique on March 18, 2020, 08:14:28 PM
Hi Sweetie!  I'm happy for her.  Give her my congrats and a hug from me.  Miss you, Badge.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 18, 2020, 08:48:20 PM
Hi Sweetie!  I'm happy for her.  Give her my congrats and a hug from me.  Miss you, Badge.
Me too. If you're up for a call tomorrow, let us know. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 18, 2020, 08:52:05 PM
Mrs. 847 retired yesterday.
Corngrats to her

I'd guess you are now in more trouble than usual! ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 18, 2020, 08:55:50 PM
gas price dropped to $1.65 here today
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 18, 2020, 09:06:38 PM
gas price dropped to $1.65 here today
What is 93 octane?

Asking for a friend...
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 18, 2020, 09:18:34 PM
SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) — South Dakota's public health lab has halted testing for the coronavirus due to a shortage of supplies, Gov. Kristi Noem said Wednesday.

Noem said the lab had been expecting a shipment of supplies earlier this week, but that it was canceled due to a nationwide shortage of enzymes and reagents, which are used for chemical analysis.

The governor said she hoped the lab would be supplied later on Wednesday, though the state's Department of Health said earlier that there was “no time frame” for when tests would be available. It last ran tests for medium- and high-risk patients on Monday. There are 350 tests pending at the lab.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 18, 2020, 09:26:30 PM
What is 93 octane?

Asking for a friend...
$2.20
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 18, 2020, 09:29:24 PM
$2.20
Our price is $3.25. Big taxes in (D) Illannoy.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 18, 2020, 09:33:53 PM
And vote-by-mail doesn't spread any germs lol :72:
For you,it may suck on the other end
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 18, 2020, 09:47:47 PM
Our price is $3.25. Big taxes in (D) Illannoy.
nice place to visit for a boat ride, baseball game, and an Italian Beef sammich
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MarqHusker on March 18, 2020, 10:04:28 PM
Our price is $3.25. Big taxes in (D) Illannoy.
Damn.   I'm right next door Badge and its $2.60ish.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Hawkinole on March 18, 2020, 11:15:58 PM
E-10 in NE Iowa on 3/18/20 was 1.81.9
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 19, 2020, 06:32:30 AM
Costco here had regular under $2 last week, premium was $2.28 as I recall.  The wife wants to go there this morning for some reason, almond "milk" or something.  I'll probably top off the tank.  It'll be interesting to see how busy it is.  They experienced some panic buying last week.

Kudus to the local Kroger for managing restocking as well as they have.  I think that can help calm nerves.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 19, 2020, 07:40:12 AM
There is a lot of construction going on near me and it appears to be continuing apace.  Most of the folks I see out walking are construction workers, and joggers, and folks with dogs.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 19, 2020, 08:20:00 AM
Governor in WV ordered all gyms and health clubs closed down for two weeks.  That’s a real bummer for me.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MarqHusker on March 19, 2020, 08:37:13 AM
There is a lot of construction going on near me and it appears to be continuing apace.  Most of the folks I see out walking are construction workers, and joggers, and folks with dogs.
Bricklayers have been busy next door all week.  If it wasn't for construction buzz it would be all runners, walkers and dogs.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 19, 2020, 10:17:06 AM
Governor in WV ordered all gyms and health clubs closed down for two weeks.  That’s a real bummer for me.
push ups and sit ups and squats

lack of ladies in spandex, but..............
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 19, 2020, 10:20:18 AM
I'm going to the grocery store after work, after I visit the financial planner

buddy says the meat counters are bare, so I called my favorite locker about 40 miles away - they know me by name - ordered 8 fresh cut rib eyes.

https://tqmeats.com/ (https://tqmeats.com/)

Might pick them up Saturday morning since I can't go to the usual bar for a schooner
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 19, 2020, 10:31:36 AM
Went for a Costco run last night, and it wasn't particularly crazy, but it wasn't particularly well-stocked either. Plenty of beer and wine though ;-)

The big annoyance was a complete lack of meat. All the chicken (we hadn't planned on buying any due to my wife's allergy) and all the pork were gone, including things like pork belly that most people don't know how to cook. All the "mainstream" beef was gone too. All that was left were things like prime tri-tip and high-dollar steaks. 

We weren't trying to hoard, but needed a package of ground beef, a package of pork tenderloin, and some chuck roast. That was a no-go, and we asked the cashier, who said they restock in the mornings. So I might go back around midday Friday and see if I can get what I need.

Other than that, most things were ok. Produce was there, their prepared [heat at home] meals were well-stocked, and while many frozen items were low-stocked, they were there. We often buy their frozen fish (individually vacuum-sealed filets in 2- or 3-lb bags), so we got some mahi and a bag of frozen shrimp.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 19, 2020, 11:03:24 AM
Just back from Costco, they were fully stocked, a bit crowded but managing well.  They had TP that everyone I saw picked up but us.

It was going fast, they had a stack in front of the store.

Premium gas was $1.88.  Premium.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: TyphonInc on March 19, 2020, 11:30:19 AM
I wouldn't call myself a prepper/hoarder. But...

I do have in our basement a pantry of non-perishables. I had no idea that TP would be the panic item of choice. I've been calling this day 6 of lock-down and I've been to 7 stores since lock-down started. The first 6 stores had no TP, yesterday I went to Kroger as they opened at 7am, they had 3 pallets right by the registers, I grabbed 3 packs (1 for upstairs, 1 for downstairs, and 1 for the Prepper Pantry! (I'm not a prepper I swear.) 


(My prepper rules in case anyone cares)  
1) Must be food that we already eat.
2) Shelf life of 6 months or more. (I do Rotate older basements items with new purchases.)
3) Doesn't need to be cooked.

Some of the people we know have panicked a little with the lock-down. I looked at my wife shrugged and said "We're good, just buy a normal's week worth of stuff." And she was able to get it all (or equivalent) except for TP.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 19, 2020, 11:42:42 AM
Just back from Costco, they were fully stocked, a bit crowded but managing well.  They had TP that everyone I saw picked up but us.

It was going fast, they had a stack in front of the store.

Premium gas was $1.88.  Premium.
Oil surges 23%, on track for best day ever, rebounding from Wednesday's steep losses
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 19, 2020, 11:43:58 AM
I wouldn't call myself a prepper/hoarder. But...

I do have in our basement a pantry of non-perishables. I had no idea that TP would be the panic item of choice. I've been calling this day 6 of lock-down and I've been to 7 stores since lock-down started. The first 6 stores had no TP, yesterday I went to Kroger as they opened at 7am, they had 3 pallets right by the registers, I grabbed 3 packs (1 for upstairs, 1 for downstairs, and 1 for the Prepper Pantry! (I'm not a prepper I swear.)

crazy prepper! ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 19, 2020, 12:16:47 PM
I've got enough food to last 2 weeks of normal eating, and another 2 weeks rationed if need be.

But I've also been going to the store at odd times and buying fresh food, so haven't really had to touch my stores.

Aside from the aforementioned toilet paper (of which I have plenty), the other items that have been hard to come by are milk and eggs.  Oh, and fresh onions and potatoes.  I don't eat potatoes all that often, but the kids like them mashed.  

Frozen vegetables have been low, but available, for the most part.  And aside from the initial hoarding frenzy over a week ago, canned vegetable are in plenty of supply.

Oh, there was also a run on tortillas and salsa.  Texicans, go figure...



Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 19, 2020, 12:27:28 PM
(My prepper rules in case anyone cares) 
  • Must be food that we already eat.
  • Shelf life of 6 months or more. (I do Rotate older basements items with new purchases.)
  • Doesn't need to be cooked.

Some of the people we know have panicked a little with the lock-down. I looked at my wife shrugged and said "We're good, just buy a normal's week worth of stuff." And she was able to get it all (or equivalent) except for TP.
My wife has already said that she's going to learn from this and keep certain non-perishables in the house at all times going forward. 

I expect we'll end up with a bin in the garage full of pasta, canned goods, etc, and I'll have to probably remind her quarterly to go check expiration dates and make sure that we're rotating out anything that's getting close. 

But she keeps an incredibly well-stocked house anyway. I think we would have made it through two weeks without buying food with nearly zero change to our eating habits. Weeks 3-4 would be rough. Only beyond that would we be scrounging for calorie intake regardless of what it is...
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 19, 2020, 12:37:01 PM
I bet most of us can go a month in a pinch IF we have the ability to boil water.  This place is all electric.  My fancy range would be dead weight if we lose power.

They do have picnic grills in the park that I could use in extremis if I can get charcoal.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: Cincydawg on March 19, 2020, 12:39:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Eciu7h9.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/bJR0Zwf.jpg)
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: Cincydawg on March 19, 2020, 12:39:36 PM
We dine there pretty often already and know the manager.  I'll be supporting them however I can.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 19, 2020, 12:41:58 PM
Because I have a kamado grill, and because the Kamado Joe charcoal is a great deal [at least at Costco road shows], I keep my eyes open every time I'm running low to buy in bulk. Last time (late January) I bought 240 lbs of charcoal and I still have 180+ left. So I'm good there.

I have to drive down to San Diego to drop off some products at a customer because it's too important to waste even a day shipping it overnight from Irvine.

The customer [like us] is currently not allowing supplier visits, so this might be me setting them down on the ground in the parking lot and slowly backing away so they can pick them up once I'm 6' away lol...

My route takes me right past Stone in Escondido, which is closed for on-site dining but open for takeout and to-go (beer or food) orders. What I can't seem to figure out is whether that includes growler fills--the Stone company store (where they fill growlers) is listed as closed... So I'll have to call them from the car after they open.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 19, 2020, 12:47:57 PM
The Kroger here has put a limit of 3 packages of meat per customer.  Other than meat we haven’t really had any trouble finding anything. If one store is out there seems to be another that has it. We haven’t needed TP yet.  My wife has our TP delivered periodically and we have a case of 36 rolls we haven’t even opened yet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 19, 2020, 12:55:16 PM
I bet most of us can go a month in a pinch IF we have the ability to boil water.  This place is all electric.  My fancy range would be dead weight if we lose power.

They do have picnic grills in the park that I could use in extremis if I can get charcoal.
We have 4 containers of propane, so I can grill for a long time with that. It gets hot enough to boil water too, thank you Weber.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 19, 2020, 01:14:42 PM
I bet most of us can go a month in a pinch IF we have the ability to boil water.  
Let's see i have these instructions somewhere.......how about pull tabs I've got that down
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 19, 2020, 01:17:32 PM
Went for a Costco run last night, and it wasn't particularly crazy, but it wasn't particularly well-stocked either. Plenty of beer and wine though ;-)

Man can't live on bread alone
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 19, 2020, 01:31:08 PM
I found this funny - at the grocery store, all of the ground beef was gone.  Ground turkey was nearly fully stocked.  I got plenty.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 19, 2020, 01:33:04 PM
I went around yesterday afternoon on a TP hunt.  None at  2 Walmarts.  Okay, gotta get clever.  None at Staples.  Hmm.  None at the big Asian grocery store.  Damn.  
So I'm actually having my brother mail me some.  How nuts is that?
.
He runs an organic grocery store and had a lady trying to buy 2 cart-fulls of TP.  He kindly refused her.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 19, 2020, 01:51:08 PM
My route takes me right past Stone in Escondido, which is closed for on-site dining but open for takeout and to-go (beer or food) orders. What I can't seem to figure out is whether that includes growler fills--the Stone company store (where they fill growlers) is listed as closed... So I'll have to call them from the car after they open.

the breweries here won't fill an outside growler, but will fill one if I purchase new from them
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 19, 2020, 01:51:40 PM
We have 4 containers of propane, so I can grill for a long time with that. It gets hot enough to boil water too, thank you Weber.
I have a Weber and 3 tanks - not sorry
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 19, 2020, 01:54:55 PM
I went around yesterday afternoon on a TP hunt.  None at  2 Walmarts.  Okay, gotta get clever.  None at Staples.  Hmm.  None at the big Asian grocery store.  Damn. 
So I'm actually having my brother mail me some.  How nuts is that?
.
He runs an organic grocery store and had a lady trying to buy 2 cart-fulls of TP.  He kindly refused her. 

She's a Bitch!


Hopefully the package will be discrete. Otherwise, you know, lost in the mail and all that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: longhorn320 on March 19, 2020, 01:55:45 PM
Only problem here in Houston is bottled water and baby wipes

Other then that Kroger has come through so far
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 19, 2020, 01:58:10 PM
I'm waiting until next week to hit the stores. Hopefully the hoarders will run out of storage space by then. Assholes. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 19, 2020, 02:22:47 PM
I'm just hitting the stores every couple of days and grabbing what's available.

For the most part, they're not all that crowded and I can keep my distance from those around me.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on March 19, 2020, 02:23:38 PM
Living out in the country, I have a 500 gallon propane tank for the furnace, stove and water heater. I also have 3 25lb tanks for the grill. So I'm good for a while.

But if I run low, I have a couple of fire pits and plenty of oak, apple, cherry wood that I can use to cook over. Also the occasional deer runs through the yard if the meat supplies run low. Not to mention the rabbit, turkey and other eatable critters that roam around here.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 19, 2020, 02:34:18 PM
One can make do living in the country.  I have been spying on the squirrels over in the park of late, but I left my rifle behind in Cincy.

And my shotgun.  There are raccoons in the park on occasion and of course ducks and geese, but my 9 mm might not be ideal for them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 19, 2020, 02:36:54 PM
I'm just hitting the stores every couple of days and grabbing what's available.

For the most part, they're not all that crowded and I can keep my distance from those around me.

Yeah, avoid the spread.

Very encouraging news out of DC today, with the malaria drug treatment. Hopefully it works!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 19, 2020, 02:42:13 PM
One can make do living in the country.  I have been spying on the squirrels over in the park of late, but I left my rifle behind in Cincy.

And my shotgun.  There are raccoons in the park on occasion and of course ducks and geese, but my 9 mm might not be ideal for them.
Cut out both ends of a 2 liter plastic bottlle.Put you arm thru it and pull the pistol back thru inside - makes a decent silencer and you and the wife can have a decent French Duck Dinner.I'd pair it up with Yuengling
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 19, 2020, 02:48:12 PM
Yeah, avoid the spread.

Very encouraging news out of DC today, with the malaria drug treatment. Hopefully it works!
Supposedly HIV treatment/meds also evidently simililar internal delivery system or sum-such as near as I understand.Taking a belt of Jim Beam everyday,so far so good
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 19, 2020, 02:50:30 PM
I'm not sure I could hit a duck with my 9 mm, noise issues aside.  Maybe if I fed him and was 3 feet away.  I'd probably have mostly duck feathers left.

I did bring down a duck with my shotgun back in the day, cooked him and ate him, very stringy.

The French do duck (canard) really well in general.  Burgundian pinot noir would be my pairing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 19, 2020, 02:52:18 PM
I have mentioned before that the Kirkland Napa Cab in a 3-L box is amazingly good for $13.  They now have a pinot gris out, haven't tried it.  They also have for $20 in bottle some Oakville Napa Cab which is superb at that price, needs a bit of time to open.

The wife drink's their Kirkland prosecco like water, which is almost is.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 19, 2020, 03:15:39 PM
I'm not sure I could hit a duck with my 9 mm, noise issues aside.  Maybe if I fed him and was 3 feet away.  I'd probably have mostly duck feathers left.

head shot!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 19, 2020, 03:16:37 PM
I'm just hitting the stores every couple of days and grabbing what's available.

For the most part, they're not all that crowded and I can keep my distance from those around me.

I go once as week as my norm..... no trouble yet
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 19, 2020, 03:17:59 PM
Only problem here in Houston is bottled water and baby wipes

Other then that Kroger has come through so far
tap water no good in Houston?

never will understand paying for water that comes out of the tap for a penny per gallon
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 19, 2020, 03:44:12 PM
push ups and sit ups and squats

lack of ladies in spandex, but..............
For my cardio today I simply jogged up and down the set of stairs in my house for 30 minutes.  My legs are jelly even though I routinely do the stair master at my gym.  Great workout.  I was dripping sweat afterwards.  I’ve done that before in really inclement weather that I didn’t want to get out in but it had been a while.  If it isn’t raining tomorrow I may take a jog even though I really hate running.  

My typical home workout is pushups, sit-ups, dumbbell curls, lateral raises for the shoulders, and air squats.  My wife bought one of those Chuck Norris Total Gyms in January (that she hasn’t used once🤬)so at some point I might actually mess around with it and see what kind of workout I can get.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: bwarbiany on March 19, 2020, 04:57:18 PM
So they're basically sitting on a whole bunch of product they can't sell and making sure it goes to a good use? Kudos to them. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 19, 2020, 05:00:53 PM

I did bring down a duck with my shotgun back in the day, cooked him and ate him, very stringy.
rabbit season - duck season,rabbit season - duck season
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 19, 2020, 05:02:15 PM
There a few places in DC (and I'm sure other cities throughout the country) that are essentially becoming temporary food kitchens. Food waste is a big problem as it is.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: Cincydawg on March 19, 2020, 05:04:11 PM
Just back from a walk about the 'hood.  I'd say 80% of the restaurants are just closed.  The others are take out only.  The Cafe above is closed, and I suppose they cooked everything they had yesterday.  It very very sad to see, this is such a vibrant community in normal times.  The park is rather crowded in a sense, the weather is near perfect.

None of these restaurants are large chains other than a Chipotle and Panera Bread.  I don't know how long they can last as is.  I talked with a couple guys who are working to open a burger place called Sam's in a couple weeks they said.  I told them I would come by and get take out when they open.  One guy was older and eastern European and the other was a young black guy, both very friendly.

If this doesn't somehow loosen up in a week or two, half the country may be out of work.  It's bad.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 19, 2020, 05:07:05 PM
Remember to support your local restaurants by ordering takeout or delivery once in a while.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 19, 2020, 05:10:13 PM
Remember to support your local restaurants by ordering takeout or delivery once in a while.
Are you crazy - that's money that could be spent on toilet paper ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 19, 2020, 05:13:57 PM
We have 4 containers of propane, so I can grill for a long time with that. It gets hot enough to boil water too, thank you Weber.
That reminds me. I need more propane. Planning to brew this weekend :-) 

I found this funny - at the grocery store, all of the ground beef was gone.  Ground turkey was nearly fully stocked.  I got plenty.
That's weird. Turkey is usually cheaper than beef too, right? 

You say you live on/near the reservation, right? Is this a cultural thing with the tribes? 

At Costco last night the only remaining meat was the high-dollar stuff, USDA prime steaks, seafood, and the organic ground beef and bison was fine. That's how I can tell the panic is subsiding, because people aren't buying "at whatever price"; they're buying up all the cheap proteins and even within beef, the cheap cuts.

But I fail to see why ground turkey wouldn't have a similar run. 
the breweries here won't fill an outside growler, but will fill one if I purchase new from them
That's what I ran into. I called to see if they were filling growlers and on the phone they said yes, but didn't highlight that point. I walked in and they clarified (as they saw me with my cooler) that they aren't filling growlers from outside. We did spring cleaning in the garage two weekends ago and one of the things I did was pitched a lot of my low-use growlers to save space, so I wasn't about to buy a new one.

But they do sell crowlers, so I got 3 crowlers full of beer. And I think somehow they really undercharged me, which was nice.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 19, 2020, 05:16:12 PM
Most are just closed down totally.  They are not the type to have take out orders at all.  The few remaining open are more casual places.  The shame is that about 5 more are scheduled to open for the first time soon, including a Persian restaurant.  Our French restaurant is trying to do take out and we'll order something tomorrow from them.  That doesn't help their alcohol business nor their servers.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 19, 2020, 05:18:55 PM
Slap the shit out of these f-balls, and also deny them any healthcare if they get "corona". Their names are out there.

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1240371160078000128

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETbQZ9OUMAEBq5P?format=jpg&name=small)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETbQZ9PUcAAxDJP?format=jpg&name=small)

Kid already looks sick.
Title: Re: Sports, and Coronavirus
Post by: bwarbiany on March 19, 2020, 05:20:08 PM
I'm sure the little wine bar that my wife and I call home [where we were legally married!] is hurting. They are keeping their retail business open and offering to-go charcuterie platters.

So on Friday we're going to buy a nice bottle and a charcuterie platter to bring home. Not like we need any more nice wine in this house, but we want to do our part to keep money coming in for them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 19, 2020, 05:20:58 PM
Most are just closed down totally.  They are not the type to have take out orders at all.  The few remaining open are more casual places.  The shame is that about 5 more are scheduled to open for the first time soon, including a Persian restaurant.  Our French restaurant is trying to do take out and we'll order something tomorrow from them.  That doesn't help their alcohol business nor their servers.


It helps the owners and helps the food prep people and helps keep a person or two employed to push out the orders or delivery, etc.


If you can help the owners, the job might be there when this blows over. If the owner is forced to close, there is nothing to come back to.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 19, 2020, 05:23:00 PM
Nice job Brad I'm sure future employers won't do a web search and see that
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 19, 2020, 05:26:38 PM
The two coronavirus topics are now merged.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 19, 2020, 05:28:03 PM
two inches of snow Friday evening saturday morning
cooler temps

rat farts!
Spalding you'll go and you'll like it !!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: CWSooner on March 19, 2020, 06:39:34 PM
Slap the shit out of these f-balls, and also deny them any healthcare if they get "corona". Their names are out there.

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1240371160078000128

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETbQZ9OUMAEBq5P?format=jpg&name=small)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETbQZ9PUcAAxDJP?format=jpg&name=small)

Kid already looks sick.
Repeal the 26th Amendment.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 19, 2020, 06:47:31 PM
That reminds me. I need more propane. Planning to brew this weekend :-)
That's weird. Turkey is usually cheaper than beef too, right?

You say you live on/near the reservation, right? Is this a cultural thing with the tribes?

At Costco last night the only remaining meat was the high-dollar stuff, USDA prime steaks, seafood, and the organic ground beef and bison was fine. That's how I can tell the panic is subsiding, because people aren't buying "at whatever price"; they're buying up all the cheap proteins and even within beef, the cheap cuts.

But I fail to see why ground turkey wouldn't have a similar run. 
I moved down to Phoenix a couple of years ago.  
The beef being gone with all the ground turkey being available made me laugh, as (poor) people have no interest in a healthy alternative - even in a crisis.  
Cookies and chips filling carts, nuts and salad shelves still full.  Fruit snacks gone, dried fruit still available.  
It's just revealing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 19, 2020, 06:49:51 PM


If this doesn't somehow loosen up in a week or two, half the country may be out of work.  It's bad.
That ain't happening.
My dad was "hopeful" of the same thing, but this is a mathematical equation and we have other countries to provide the answer.  I can personally guarantee there will be far more cases and deaths 2 weeks from now than today.  It's a certainty.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 19, 2020, 06:50:06 PM
Repeal the 26th Amendment.

At least 30 years of age, and not living in Mom's basement?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 19, 2020, 06:52:59 PM
That ain't happening.
My dad was "hopeful" of the same thing, but this is a mathematical equation and we have other countries to provide the answer.  I can personally guarantee there will be far more cases and deaths 2 weeks from now than today.  It's a certainty.
That's strong. What makes you state this?

Not that I entirely disagree. Of course the cases will explode with testing now available (assclown f-balls coming home from Florida, etc. won't help).

Not sure about deaths.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 19, 2020, 07:03:23 PM
Ehhhh, because math. 
3/1 - 1 death
3/2 - 5 more deaths
3/3 - 3 more
3/4 - 2 more
3/5 - 1 more
3/6 - 3 more
3/7 - 4 more
3/8 - 3 more
3/9 - 4 more
3/10 - 4 more
3/11 - 8 more
3/12 - 3 more
3/13 - 8 more
3/14 - 8 more
3/15 - 11 more
3/16 - 18 more
3/17 - 23 more
3/18- 41 more
.
This creates a trend line, a line that is expanding further and further.  Exponential, even.  It's accelerating. 
If we had started testing like South Korea since early Feb, maybe there'd be a reason to be optimistic right now.  But no.  We didn't.  There isn't. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 19, 2020, 07:13:44 PM
I didn't disagree with your premise. I think the medical profession is going to gain much more understanding on this and help beat it. Of course, the elderly and sick will be hit hard, no matter the intervention.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 19, 2020, 07:15:05 PM
That's strong. What makes you state this?

Not that I entirely disagree. Of course the cases will explode with testing now available (assclown f-balls coming home from Florida, etc. won't help).

Not sure about deaths.
We're not taking enough precautions and people aren't taking precautions seriously, especially outside of the hard-hit areas. 

We don't have enough testing capacity so people who are potentially contagious are continuing to circulate.

This thing is going to grow, and we don't have anywhere near the capacity to care for severe cases.

One of the doctors at my wife's office is on the Coronavirus task force for her hospital in Long Beach, and says that the peak deaths will be about 40 days away here in OC. Also predicting 1M deaths nationally. 

We're way behind on this thing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 19, 2020, 07:31:48 PM
The state of Texas, you know - the one with 29 million people, has done jack-squat.  We might actually want them to secede because they're going to need an inordinate percentage of resources because of their inaction.  
But oh, you know, when it gets bad there, it'll be an act of god or some crap.  Mysterious ways n such.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 19, 2020, 07:32:29 PM
Optimism is a waste of time when there's math involved.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 19, 2020, 07:41:53 PM
We're not taking enough precautions and people aren't taking precautions seriously, especially outside of the hard-hit areas.

We don't have enough testing capacity so people who are potentially contagious are continuing to circulate.

This thing is going to grow, and we don't have anywhere near the capacity to care for severe cases.

One of the doctors at my wife's office is on the Coronavirus task force for her hospital in Long Beach, and says that the peak deaths will be about 40 days away here in OC. Also predicting 1M deaths nationally.

We're way behind on this thing.

It's so contagious that containment was never, EVER an option.  It's been in the USA since December.  More testing and earlier testing might have slowed the rate of the spread, and it also might have caused the panic a month earlier.

People are only going to social distance/SIP for 4-6 weeks.  After that, whatever the virus is going to go, it's going to do.  It was always going to be that way, anyway.

Flattening the curve doesn't mean preventing the spread, that's been impossible since Day 1.  It just means slowing it down so that health services, ERs, and ICUs aren't completely overrun.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 19, 2020, 07:45:45 PM
The state of Texas, you know - the one with 29 million people, has done jack-squat.  We might actually want them to secede because they're going to need an inordinate percentage of resources because of their inaction. 
But oh, you know, when it gets bad there, it'll be an act of god or some crap.  Mysterious ways n such.
Not sure what you're talking about here?  The major cities in Texas have all had the no-gatherings>10 people rule in place since Sunday, which is within a day or two of when the metros in NYC, SF, and LA enacted similar rules.

All major cities and counties in Texas also have shut down the dining rooms of all bars and restaurants.

The beaches of Texas and Florida, on the other hand, are still crowded with Spring Breakers.  And they're all going back to their homes-- all over the country-- in a couple of days.  That's going to be a major problem for the entire country.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 19, 2020, 07:46:45 PM
It's so contagious that containment was never, EVER an option.  It's been in the USA since December.  More testing and earlier testing might have slowed the rate of the spread, 


Please don't use the word "might" here.  It's dishonest.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 19, 2020, 07:49:36 PM
Please don't use the word "might" here.  It's dishonest.

You're stating your opinion as fact.  I'm not being dishonest at all.

There are plenty of naive and ignorant people that, even up to this very moment, all over this country, are still choosing to gather in large groups and potentially spreading the virus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 19, 2020, 07:49:42 PM
We're not taking enough precautions and people aren't taking precautions seriously, especially outside of the hard-hit areas.

We don't have enough testing capacity so people who are potentially contagious are continuing to circulate.

This thing is going to grow, and we don't have anywhere near the capacity to care for severe cases.

One of the doctors at my wife's office is on the Coronavirus task force for her hospital in Long Beach, and says that the peak deaths will be about 40 days away here in OC. Also predicting 1M deaths nationally.

We're way behind on this thing.
Yeah, that place.

Where my beloved 50 y/o Iron Man brother-in-law (brother) passed due to a medical error, during a routine (anal fissure) surgery. Sepsis.

F that hospital.

Got the call while on the I-80 Mississippi River bridge, coming home from a UW victory in Lincoln.


Sorry to change the subject...
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 19, 2020, 08:09:29 PM
Public service announcement...

I received an email from a friend today, stating that the entire country would be on lockdown in a few days. Oh boy.

Yesterday I was alerted to the fact (via my local state rep) that Russia, China and Iran (shocking) were infiltrating BookFace with misinformation, to scare our people.

I think this is that. So do our local pols.

Be careful out there, but also be careful on what you read on social media.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 19, 2020, 08:33:52 PM
Can't tell you how many folks I've seen discussing emails or texts they've received that are "Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw:" messages, as completely factual, and even worse, as personal insider info.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 19, 2020, 08:39:37 PM
You're stating your opinion as fact.  I'm not being dishonest at all.

There are plenty of naive and ignorant people that, even up to this very moment, all over this country, are still choosing to gather in large groups and potentially spreading the virus.
You might not want to call a mathematical certainty as a fact, but I'll consider them synonymous.  
I have no idea what your point is here, besides agreeing with what I've already stated.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 19, 2020, 10:00:41 PM
I believe much more testing would have slowed the spread and saved some lives, but I haven't been convinced that it would have made a huge difference

even if we had unlimited tests, how much would it help?

to qualify for the limited tests you have all the symptoms and most of those tests are coming back negative

if your test comes back positive, you either self isolate and wait it out at home or are hospitalized

if your test comes back negative you wash your hands and practice social distancing (waiting to be infected later), then you'd need another test later.  When?  every 10 days?  every day?

tested or not, you're supposed to avoid spreading the virus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 19, 2020, 10:05:08 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-mass-testing-experiment-italian-town-covid-19-outbreak-1493183 (https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-mass-testing-experiment-italian-town-covid-19-outbreak-1493183)

Testing as many people as possible as early-on as possible leads directly to the spreading slowing and stopping.  It's not complicated. 

Identification = isolation = that case can no longer spread
.
Lack of testing = unknown cases spreading = what we have now....continued exponential spread
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 19, 2020, 10:08:17 PM
well then, with testing ramping up rapidly, this thing should slow and stop soon
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 19, 2020, 10:20:40 PM
Just got off a text string with our local state rep (Tom Morrison R-Palatine).

Rumors of a state lockdown - not true YET. The GOP conference call is at Noon tomorrow, and I will know more after that.

Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 19, 2020, 10:43:09 PM
I got nowhere else to go
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Hawkinole on March 20, 2020, 12:30:53 AM
Public service announcement...

I received an email from a friend today, stating that the entire country would be on lockdown in a few days. Oh boy.

Yesterday I was alerted to the fact (via my local state rep) that Russia, China and Iran (shocking) were infiltrating BookFace with misinformation, to scare our people.

I think this is that. So do our local pols.

Be careful out there, but also be careful on what you read on social media.
This afternoon Iowa's governor said, Iowa is not considering a lock down. Things are changing rapidly. But, Iowa has had no confirmed instance of death. If it gets into a jail or nursing home, there will be a big problem. It's too bad testing is so restrictive it does not include frequent testing of asymptomatic health care workers, jailers and prison guards, and long term care facility workers.

I was visiting with my brother today. He shut down his dental practice Monday except to emergencies, about a day or so ahead of the Illinois dental association telling them dentists needed to do so. He felt reaffirmed. Now the issue becomes defining what constitutes an emergency.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 20, 2020, 01:20:33 AM
well then, with testing ramping up rapidly, this thing should slow and stop soon
It could have
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MarqHusker on March 20, 2020, 01:40:11 AM
Yeah, my internist is closing save, urgent related matters.  Dentist also pulled plug.   My wife is an anesthesiologist at a (outpatient) surgery center, and yes they have called off any elective surgeries entirely.    There's a narrow band of necessary surgeries which they are still performing (broken ankles, etc. patients that would otherwise see increased health risks, or significant burden to Q of life if not performed).

One of the items her colleagues and adjacent hospital peers are concerned about are 'other' medical centers still performing cases, which could create pressure on supplies, which may be needed in the event...of, well you know.    Another interesting note on her world, ventilators.   The big ones, are really huge btw.   Hospitals don't stockpile ventilators by the dozens or thousands, for obvious reasons,  there's never been a reason to have 100s, 1,000s in one or more location in a market.   Furthermore, there's only so many qualified persons who can operate such machines (apparently about 135,000, one wonders how quickly that could be addressed.).  Usual heavy cluster in high population centers, very few in rural areas.  The Feds do actually have a stockpile of ventilators (amounts to about 12,000 or so) in a country that has about 200,000 in operation.   Those of course will be put to use if needed.   What's developing is a war effort type deployment of resources and personnel, really at all levels of medicine/govt.   Regrettably one of my wife's partners tells me the four major manufacturers are overseas. (Europe and Asia).
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 20, 2020, 08:32:04 AM
I asked about the symptoms my child in Texas has:

"I now have mild symptoms of occasional fever, sore throat, and chest pain. Very little coughing. Monday through Wednesday wasn't fun but didn't need to go to hospital or anything. I never had any congestion or runny nose. Had a lot of fatigue and body aches but mostly better now. 

Quarantined until March 30. My office is closed until April 6. Having to spend $30/day on food and delivery. Lol. Grocery stores are still messed up down here. "


They had a client visit their office who later tested positive.  Said client was "out and about" and traveling on a plane etc.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: TyphonInc on March 20, 2020, 09:30:19 AM
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-mass-testing-experiment-italian-town-covid-19-outbreak-1493183 (https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-mass-testing-experiment-italian-town-covid-19-outbreak-1493183)

Testing as many people as possible as early-on as possible leads directly to the spreading slowing and stopping.  It's not complicated.

Identification = isolation = that case can no longer spread
.
Lack of testing = unknown cases spreading = what we have now....continued exponential spread

Accurate testing of people leads to identification, isolation, slowing and stopping of the virus. The first test that Korea was running was only %90 accurate. That lead to a few people who had it getting missed, but lead to a lot of panic and confusion due to an overwhelming number of false positives. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 20, 2020, 09:37:29 AM
How often do you need to test a person?  Daily?  Weekly?  How many tests is that?  If we try and test folks across the board, it seems herculean to me.

And the person who tests positive has likely been out and about to some extent spreading it before they get tested.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 20, 2020, 09:46:34 AM
If you can, just stay home. Go to the grocery store one time per week, and that's it. Go out for a walk, and that's it.

Yeah, it sucks and I honestly never thought we'd be at this point with this thing. We are at this point.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MarqHusker on March 20, 2020, 10:02:35 AM
Testing is no panacea.  The incubation period believed to be 14 days, would really undermine accuracy to a material degree. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 20, 2020, 10:04:47 AM
The health professionals should be tested often, if possible, and perhaps the police and anyone else that has to be out and about.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 20, 2020, 10:20:20 AM
Yeah, that place.

Where my beloved 50 y/o Iron Man brother-in-law (brother) passed due to a medical error, during a routine (anal fissure) surgery. Sepsis.

Lost my oldest brother a few years back almost same.Original hernia operation had symptoms.Went back twice we believe something pierced - doesn't take much.Recovery went back-forth for 8 months,started to look good then took a turn for the worse.SIL didn't take legal action but certainly would have been in the right to do so.She had already been thru hell and let it be
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 20, 2020, 10:23:13 AM
with or w/o a test, stay at home unless going to the golf course or the grocery store

my store wasn't bad last night

only lacking one thing at 7pm - toilet paper

4 inches of snow this morning - spring is coming
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 20, 2020, 10:39:49 AM
So, my neighbor who flew back from Europe Monday said when they landed, some CDC types come onto the plane handing out directions and asked if anyone was feeling ill.  The plane had about 120 passengers, probably less than half full.  After that, he said there was no line at immigration, he was out in a few minutes.  I just offered to pick up a lamb burger for him for lunch from the place next door.  He was concerned about being that long in a plane of course with possibly infected people.  He has no symptoms as yet, he seems to be enjoying himself.  I took him a plate of grilled steelhead trout last night, I think he's getting used to this.

The wife went to her hairdresser this AM, against my subtle advice.  I told her she couldn't possibly look any better.  It's a gorgeous day here today so we'll be out walking soonish.  No snow.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MarqHusker on March 20, 2020, 10:43:53 AM
The health professionals should be tested often, if possible, and perhaps the police and anyone else that has to be out and about.


They are even talking about whether the Docs should continue working if infected.   Decent contingent says yes. very fascinating to keep tabs on my wife's internal office debates.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 20, 2020, 10:43:58 AM
Need to run to Costco and hopefully find some of the meat items that were depleted the other night.

Also need to run through Home Depot, if they're open, for a propane tank swap and some grass seed. I'm hoping Home Depot stays open through all this stuff, because if we're going to be confined to home all the time I might as well get some projects done. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 20, 2020, 10:46:26 AM
The wife went to her hairdresser this AM, against my subtle advice.  I told her she couldn't possibly look any better.  It's a gorgeous day here today so we'll be out walking soonish.  No snow.
Yeah, that was the joke on instagram yesterday... That with this lockdown, we're soon going to be able to see womens' true hair color :57:

I told my wife that I would be expecting her to cut my hair when it gets long. I've got the clippers. I don't think she's going to be up for it, but hopefully she'll be up for fixing it when I fail at doing it myself. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: ELA on March 20, 2020, 10:47:48 AM
Need to run to Costco and hopefully find some of the meat items that were depleted the other night.

Also need to run through Home Depot, if they're open, for a propane tank swap and some grass seed. I'm hoping Home Depot stays open through all this stuff, because if we're going to be confined to home all the time I might as well get some projects done.
I went to the grocery store this morning as soon as it opened at 7, and it was a zoo.  I went midday on Sunday, and it was fairly empty, but so were the shelves.  It was a pain, and I didn't like being there, but same issue, we keep some meat frozen for stir fry and stuff like that, but they were out of meat and bread by midday.

They are going to start opening an hour earlier for seniors next week, but judging from the shopping carts, they are just as prone to hoarding as anyone.  They need to change the 12 items or less lines to like $150 or less lines or something.  I just did a normal weekly shopping, but the people with two overflowing carts are killing this for everyone.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 20, 2020, 10:57:56 AM
This area must be doing better with supply/distribution than others.  Obviously, this is a major trucking/rail/distribution hub, so that should help.  Once stores are largely restocked, folks will stop panic buying.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 20, 2020, 11:03:44 AM
I'm just annoyed that the stay at home order had to happen last night. I worry that's going to trigger another round of panic buying, and all I want is to get the meat necessary to run through a decent menu over the next two weeks.

I realized I have a meeting at 11 AM that I need to dial into, which means I have to either go to Costco closer to opening time than I'd like (and risk being part of long lines and panic) or go to Costco later in the day than I'd like (and risk not finding what I need).
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 20, 2020, 11:07:35 AM
I ordered a 2 in 1 Dell last night from Costco, and for the hell of it, checked the groceries and such. They are out of anything made from paper, out of garbage bags, coffee, etc.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 20, 2020, 11:13:07 AM
I ordered a 2 in 1 Dell last night from Costco, and for the hell of it, checked the groceries and such. They are out of anything made from paper, out of garbage bags, coffee, etc.
Good for you, I have a couple of those myself! :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Honestbuckeye on March 20, 2020, 11:17:42 AM
Those who owe taxes now have until July 15 to file and pay.  Great move!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 20, 2020, 11:34:31 AM
Good for you, I have a couple of those myself! :)

This one is for Mrs. 847. No computer now that she is retired/repurposed. I'm a Surface guy, but those are too expensive for what she needs/wants.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 20, 2020, 12:19:50 PM
I'm just annoyed that the stay at home order had to happen last night. I worry that's going to trigger another round of panic buying, and all I want is to get the meat necessary to run through a decent menu over the next two weeks.

no lockers or butcher shops in Cali?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 20, 2020, 12:20:56 PM
Those who owe taxes now have until July 15 to file and pay.  Great move!
I filed an amendment last night due to a 1099 coming in the mail late

I'll wait until July to send the check for $700
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 20, 2020, 12:55:19 PM
Help your country. Pay it now, and double it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on March 20, 2020, 12:57:33 PM
I just got laid off until this all blows over. Sucks, but I sorta saw it coming. I make helmet decals, and no one is playing sports; nor are any schools open, and they are the bulk of our customer base obviously.
Well my family has now been hit with a layoff as well.  My wife got laid off last night.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 20, 2020, 01:01:08 PM
Help your country. Pay it now, and double it.
great idea, but hard no
I've been helping my country for decades
let's say I paid it forward
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 20, 2020, 01:11:25 PM
Well my family has now been hit with a layoff as well.  My wife got laid off last night. 
Sorry to hear that, hang in there.

We don't have a layoff, but while my wife's clinic is closed down, she's not getting paid.  As soon as they reopen, she'll be paid normally as per usual.  Assuming her clinic makes it, of course.  It's a private shop, no corporate backing, so if they're not seeing patients, there's no money coming in, and they still have to cover fixed expenses.  If that goes on too long, they'll go under.

Anyway, we're down to just one income for the duration.  We have savings to cover, but scrimping and saving is now the name of the game.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on March 20, 2020, 01:11:35 PM
I filed an amendment last night due to a 1099 coming in the mail late

I'll wait until July to send the check for $700
I'm in the same boat for about the same amount of money. They can wait until July to get my money. I also have been doing my part for 33 years. A couple of months on this one won't hurt them. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 20, 2020, 01:13:14 PM
As for helping my country, they've been making money off the interest of what they've forced me to pay in, all year long.  And all year long every year before that, for the past 32 years, since I've been working and paying Federal taxes.

If they didn't save that money and spend it wisely, it's definitely not MY fault.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 20, 2020, 01:16:47 PM
Maybe I should have put a sarcasm meter on my post.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 20, 2020, 01:23:23 PM
The lamb burger was tasty.  They are doing a pretty solid business over there with take out.  They are set up on their patio, so you go up to the low brick wall and collect your order.  I left a nice tip and thanked them, and dropped of my neighbor's burger.

I'm drinking a can of IPA my neighbor insisted I take, it's rather hoppy, from Catawba, NC.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 20, 2020, 01:35:28 PM
Maybe I should have put a sarcasm meter on my post.
Oh I got it.

Just felt like soapboxing a bit.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 20, 2020, 01:39:19 PM
I think "we" should note an exception to anything OAM posts forever.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 20, 2020, 01:41:30 PM
no lockers or butcher shops in Cali?
There definitely are. I have a really awesome butcher shop just a few miles away: El Toro Gourmet Meats (https://www.eltorogourmetmeats.com/)

It's where I go for "special occasion meat" though, usually, due to price. In a couple weeks my wife and I have our 2 year anniversary, and we planned to go to Ruth's Chris... Thinking that's not an option. So I'll buy her the $32/lb filet mignon and buy myself the $24/lb ribeye and grill it myself... But I'm not feeding the kids from that joint!

I hit Costco this morning. I got really lucky in that I thought they opened at 9:30, when they open at 10, and I showed up at 9:30. But they apparently have started letting in normal shoppers after the 8-9 AM "senior hour", so I walked right in. When I left at 9:55, it was like a flood of people into the store because they were coming for the normal store opening time.

No chuck roast or pork tenderloin, which was annoying. But I managed to get flank steak, some baby back ribs, and a rack of lamb. They didn't have fresh ground beef, but I realized they sell 5# bags of individually-wrapped 1# chubs of ground beef. And it's 85/15 rather than their usual 88/12, which I prefer. 

Given that I end up portioning out the big packages of fresh roast beef, vacuum sealing, and freezing it anyway, I'm going to be looking for this stuff in the future. 

I think we're all set on groceries now. Absent maybe a run to the normal store for fresh produce next week, we're good on meat/fish/etc for the foreseeable future. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 20, 2020, 01:49:55 PM
How I feel every time I leave the house now:

(https://media.tenor.com/images/b0cb8464a62e24901bed6302a4a7393c/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 20, 2020, 01:59:09 PM
Lots of the nicer cuts have been selling out. Kinda weird, but whatever. I got shank, short ribs, a couple of roasts and ground instead. 

I do have a flank and 3 strips, and some skirt, which I already had on hand.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 20, 2020, 02:03:07 PM
problem solved, just cheat and go to the store early with the old folks
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 20, 2020, 02:09:38 PM
My hope that the death rate in Italy had peaked has gone to the toilet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 20, 2020, 02:34:31 PM
math > hope
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on March 20, 2020, 02:38:39 PM
The lamb burger was tasty.  They are doing a pretty solid business over there with take out.  They are set up on their patio, so you go up to the low brick wall and collect your order.  I left a nice tip and thanked them, and dropped of my neighbor's burger.

I'm drinking a can of IPA my neighbor insisted I take, it's rather hoppy, from Catawba, NC.
Nook?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 20, 2020, 03:00:20 PM
Yeah, The Nook.  It's decent foodwise and they have a nice patio area.  It caters to younger folks than us, but we feel welcome there.  We don't dine there that often, just when we're tired and don't feel like cooking or walking further.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 20, 2020, 03:09:00 PM
wish I didn't have to walk any further than that

but then sometimes I'm happy no one is walking to my place
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 20, 2020, 03:23:34 PM
I'm drinking a can of IPA my neighbor insisted I take, it's rather hoppy, from Catawba, NC.
Ya he's drinking the good stuff and didn't want to poor it out.Friends don't let friends drink IPAs
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 20, 2020, 03:26:23 PM
math > hope
Hope > snarky remarks
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on March 20, 2020, 03:41:58 PM
Yeah, The Nook.  It's decent foodwise and they have a nice patio area.  It caters to younger folks than us, but we feel welcome there.  We don't dine there that often, just when we're tired and don't feel like cooking or walking further.
The only time I went there I had the lamb burger. Was impressed. Need to try the totchos next time around 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 20, 2020, 03:51:33 PM
Lots of the nicer cuts have been selling out. Kinda weird, but whatever. I got shank, short ribs, a couple of roasts and ground instead.

I do have a flank and 3 strips, and some skirt, which I already had on hand.

Hearing rumors your Gov is about to put all of Illinois on lockdown.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 20, 2020, 03:53:23 PM
should have stocked the boat for a 30 day tour and escaped to Lake Michigan
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 20, 2020, 03:54:11 PM
Yeah, boy!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 20, 2020, 04:14:30 PM
We just walked around the park again, it's pretty crowded which makes sense given how many folks are off and it's a very nice day, a bit warm.  People were not in close groups though.  Folks are lined up outside the Nook getting beverages right now, about 10 of them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 20, 2020, 04:15:36 PM
The only time I went there I had the lamb burger. Was impressed. Need to try the totchos next time around
The totchos are good, and filling, for $10.  Too filling really.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 20, 2020, 04:24:14 PM
Too early to tell what it means, but the governor issued a shelter in place order, through 4/7, beginning tomorrow at 5PM.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 20, 2020, 04:29:59 PM
So, if you're out and about, and they arrest you under some charge I can't imagine, they throw you in a crowded jail with 25 other people?

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on March 20, 2020, 04:38:49 PM
So, if you're out and about, and they arrest you under some charge I can't imagine, they throw you in a crowded jail with 25 other people?
There are some lawyers on here, I'm not one of them.  

That said, I did go to lawschool for a while, I just didn't finish.  The executive has pretty wide discretion in responding to a crisis so I imagine the charge would be something along the lines of a failure to disperse or failure to comply with a lawful order.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 20, 2020, 04:51:16 PM
So, if you're out and about, and they arrest you under some charge I can't imagine, they throw you in a crowded jail with 25 other people?
The issue is that there are TONS of loopholes in these orders.

People in essential/critical industries are still going to work. People who need to go to the grocery store, the bank, etc can still be out and about.

I believe that nothing in the order precludes me from setting up a meeting to transfer my kids from my ex-wife per our custody agreement next Friday... (But I'm still looking!)

Heck, the one that occurred in the Bay Area said that walking, running, hiking was all still fine as long as appropriate social distancing was observed. So frankly if I wanted to go hiking this weekend I'd be fine. 

Basically nobody in power wants to "enforce" this. The idea is that by setting the order, people will get the idea that it's not just a suggestion, and they'll modify their behavior because they realize it's serious. The bulk of people staying home except when it's absolutely necessary to go out is a hell of a big step in the right direction.

If it were to become an enforcement issue, it would be on businesses flouting the rules, not really on individuals.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 20, 2020, 04:54:02 PM
The irony of being jailed for disobeying an order that likely is unconstitutional (that is irrelevant to my point) is ironic.

In France, you can be fined for being out and about, but you can print out a GOOJFC on line that explains why and where you were going.  Some people don't have access to printers etc. of course.  Unless they go out.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 20, 2020, 05:06:32 PM
The irony of being jailed for disobeying an order that likely is unconstitutional (that is irrelevant to my point) is ironic.

In France, you can be fined for being out and about, but you can print out a GOOJFC on line that explains why and where you were going.  Some people don't have access to printers etc. of course.  Unless they go out.
I read about similar in Italy. If you have a legitimate work or family reason to travel [and "travel" was loosely defined in the story I read--I assume it's primarily intercity or air travel, not going to the grocery store] you merely have to carry your own affidavit to why it's necessary.

We had an all-hands call today to talk about all this and one of my colleagues in Italy was on the line, and said basically nothing's open except the grocery stores. So while it might be possible to go out, there's nowhere to go. 

That said, my wife has been talking about having her office print up an official-looking piece of paper for her as the office manager and for the medical assistant in the office such that they could justify their employment in an "essential" sector if stopped. But nobody is planning on stopping people, the best as I can tell. On that all-hands they mentioned that our management has been in near-daily contact with the mayor of San Jose and he flat out said that there is no plan to stop people and demand they justify why they're out.

It's about changing behavior, not about punishment.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 20, 2020, 05:09:27 PM
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/20/815408287/how-the-novel-coronavirus-and-the-flu-are-alike-and-different (https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/20/815408287/how-the-novel-coronavirus-and-the-flu-are-alike-and-different)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 20, 2020, 05:17:49 PM
For anyone worried about exposure through food (takeout/delivery/grocery/etc), this should assuage your fears somewhat:

https://www.seriouseats.com/2020/03/food-safety-and-coronavirus-a-comprehensive-guide.html (https://www.seriouseats.com/2020/03/food-safety-and-coronavirus-a-comprehensive-guide.html)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: ELA on March 20, 2020, 05:50:30 PM
https://twitter.com/Sheehan_Sports/status/1241037015182905361?s=19
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 20, 2020, 06:27:46 PM
https://twitter.com/Sheehan_Sports/status/1241037015182905361?s=19
Sparty left Zavier Simpson wide open from 3 several times for no apparent reason in the last game.....
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 20, 2020, 06:59:00 PM
The state of AZ is still using hope instead of the math, closing schools through April 10th.  As if in 3 weeks, Trump's miracle would have happened by then.  
Let's see.....we're about 10 days behind Italy, and they had their deadliest day from the virus 2 days ago.....so in 3 weeks here, things will be peachy.
.
Our governor is a dipshit.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 20, 2020, 07:07:08 PM
My business has been deemed essential, by the executive order just posted. So, we are open and working (from home and in the field - not office).

Thank goodness. I was dreading laying off so many good people.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Honestbuckeye on March 20, 2020, 07:28:12 PM
Just went out to run some errands including hitting the pharmacy and the grocery store. In Florida they ordered all restaurants to close except for delivery plus closure of gyms and physical fitness centers. That was around 5 o’clock

I’m now wondering if or when it’s going to take affect because I just traveled quite a ways in multiple directions and the traffic was heavier than normal and most of the restaurants I saw were not only open but had plenty of people inside of them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 20, 2020, 07:42:16 PM
 most of the restaurants I saw were not only open but had plenty of people inside of them.
Brilliant.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 20, 2020, 07:45:18 PM
drove 30 miles after work to my favorite locker for the (8) fresh cut rib eyes for the party at my place Saturday night

a huge sign in the parking lot, another very large sign outside the door, and a large sign just inside the door,  all state: "Only One Person per vehicle in the store!"

wasn't helping at all - the owner was asking folks to step out and wait in the car.

a guy showed up and bought one package of beef sticks - he was scolded at the checkout.  Not a good enough reason to be out and about for one package.

good people and not obviously stupid, just hard to get used to the idea.  Especially when there's not a confirmed case within 100 miles of your small town
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 20, 2020, 07:46:51 PM
Brilliant.
probably goes into effect Sunday night after the evening meal

everyone wants their "last" supper 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: ELA on March 20, 2020, 08:19:31 PM
Sure Mike, as "toilet paper"

https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/1241004717855080448?s=19
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 20, 2020, 08:27:03 PM
cobs really do work

helps if they are dried 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 20, 2020, 09:09:36 PM
Got take out from our favorite local place in town tonight.  Owner thanked me profusely.  Even insisted on having me drink a beer at the bar on him while I waited.

Took my daughter to Wal-Mart because she was freaking out because she needed a folder for a research project that is due when (if)  they go back in a couple of weeks.  They actually had a few packages of TP.  I bought one for the hell of it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 20, 2020, 09:12:44 PM
Gonna need TP in about 10 days. Hopefully the asshat hoarding is done by then.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Hawkinole on March 21, 2020, 01:34:23 AM
So, if you're out and about, and they arrest you under some charge I can't imagine, they throw you in a crowded jail with 25 other people?
I spoke to a jailer. In our county they are limiting the overnight arrests of people to the extent possible, and when they are brought in, instead of placing them in a cell, they are putting them in the "rec" room, which is devoid of any equipment, and not mixing new inmates with the longer term inmates. We have an older jail a bull pen for about 5-10 inmates, and about 5 individual cells with bars. Our law enforcement is dispersing new inmates who must be held overnight, to other area county jails that are newer style jails with the pods surrounded by "dorm rooms." But the dorm rooms can house up to 6-people. I don't know how much separation modern jails are actually keeping between inmates, although I do know the use of the capacity in the newer jails is on average one-sixth to one-third of capacity in this area of rural NE Iowa. So many of these jails were built on the hope that federal inmates would be housed there, that would pay for the jail. These counties were drinking the Kool-Aide of unjustifiable hope for a windfall profit.

Peace officers are not being dispatched to first responder calls unless they are required to maintain security.

Courts are allowing defendants more time now before inmates must report after conviction to serve their sentence. We are using more teleconference and videoconference with the Court. Felony pleas can now be taken by written plea rather than in-person plea (we have had written pleas for misdemeanors my entire legal career at the state level).
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 21, 2020, 08:32:30 AM
A crowd of 20 or so had gathered last night outside the Nook because they were making mixed drinks.  The police asked them to disperse, so the crowd went across the street into the park, drinks in hand (which is  technically illegal), still a crowd standing around or sitting on benches in close proximity.

The issue is if his becomes common the mayor will shut down whatever is still open.

The average person around this area is 30ish with a dog, couples have a young kid., and of course a LOT of singles.  Some of the latter are nice to look at, I hear, I of course don't look so I wouldn't know.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 08:58:44 AM
singles are gonna mingle

police should have gone into the park and asked them again to disperse - explaining (perhaps again) the mayor's motivation

no reason to have a few ruin this for the entire community
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2020, 09:08:20 AM
I just got an email message from Publix (grocery chain serving Florida). They are reserving the hours between 7 and 9AM for seniors to shop.

10,000,000 seniors in two hours - store empty rest of day.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 09:20:39 AM
Be patient, you'll be a senior soon enough
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 21, 2020, 09:37:50 AM
The police have their hands full around here there are so many bars and hangouts and millenials.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 09:43:40 AM
start writing citations, the fine $$$ will help stimulate donut shops
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: ELA on March 21, 2020, 10:09:42 AM
I just got an email message from Publix (grocery chain serving Florida). They are reserving the hours between 7 and 9AM for seniors to shop.

10,000,000 seniors in two hours - store empty rest of day.
Same here with Giant Eagle.  I didn't notice any correlation between age and hoarding.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 21, 2020, 10:16:32 AM
I think he's just saying there are so many seniors, there won't be anything left. 

Around here grocery stores are doing the same thing, allowing 2 hours before "regular openeing" for seniors." 

But there are long lines to get in though, at any time of say, as the number of people within each store at any given time, is being regulated.

I haven't been in a few days because I have food and no desire to stand around in line for an hour.

But at this point we're beyond panic buying and hoarding-- this is the consequence of so many people staying at home, eating more meals at home, and not having anywhere else to go.  Also, the shortened store hours are forcing more people into a smaller time window.  I don't see this getting better until the quarantine bans are lifted.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2020, 10:24:25 AM
I think he's just saying there are so many seniors, there won't be anything left. 

Around here grocery stores are doing the same thing, allowing 2 hours before "regular openeing" for seniors."

But there are long lines to get in though, at any time of say, as the number of people within each store at any given time, is being regulated.

I haven't been in a few days because I have food and no desire to stand around in line for an hour.

But at this point we're beyond panic buying and hoarding-- this is the consequence of so many people staying at home, eating more meals at home, and not having anywhere else to go.  Also, the shortened store hours are forcing more people into a smaller time window.  I don't see this getting better until the quarantine bans are lifted.


I'm glad at least one person here understands me. :03:


Store here are doing it too. I get it for here. But in Florida?

They should do special hours for non-seniors!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 10:26:27 AM
my usual grocery was open 24 hours in the past, I'd rather go there late or early and avoid crowds

I understand they might be doing deep cleaning while closed, just not sure how much that helps after the first 15 minutes of opening the doors to the mob waiting in line
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2020, 10:31:18 AM
I'd hope by now that people have enough food in the house to just stay home for a while.

I read somewhere that chest freezers are sold out. 

REALLY?!?!?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 21, 2020, 10:42:35 AM
I'd hope by now that people have enough food in the house to just stay home for a while.

I read somewhere that chest freezers are sold out.

REALLY?!?!?
Yep. You can't really hoard if you don't have room to put it. 

FYI Costco has apparently been refusing returns on the commonly-hoarded items, and I've heard the big box stores are saying they won't take back chest freezers when this is all said and done, even if it's within their normal return policies. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 21, 2020, 10:55:55 AM
I will say that's an advantage of being a homebrewer--I have four refrigerators (three of which have freezers). There's the main kitchen fridge, the garage overflow fridge, the fermentation fridge, and the kegerator/beer/wine fridge. The fermentation fridge, when fermenting beer, uses an external relay to keep the fridge temp in the low 60s, so when I'm fermenting I can't use the top freezer. But if there is beer cold crashing or lagering / cold conditioning, then the fridge is running normal temps and it becomes an overflow freezer.

My kegerator is actually a 21 cu ft convertible fridge/freezer, so if I took all the kegs and beer out of it, I could store a a frozen side of beef with room to spare. But I don't plan on doing that, so I don't consider that a "freezer" at all.

We bought a new fridge before this thing all hit (President's Day weekend) but it isn't getting delivered until Monday. It's a nice 26 cu ft french door model with two freezer drawers. But at that point the primary kitchen fridge will go out to the garage and become the overflow fridge, the oldest/smallest garage fridge, which is currently the fermentation fridge, will go away, and the nicer overflow fridge becomes the fermentation fridge. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: CWSooner on March 21, 2020, 11:05:55 AM
At least 30 years of age, and not living in Mom's basement?
That would be a good start.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 21, 2020, 11:15:19 AM
Yeah I actually have 3 refrigerator/freezers right now, plus my chest freezer.  I've always had 2 fridges, one in the main house and one in the garage,  but we just got a new one for the house, and rotated our old house one to the garage.  I was going to get rid of the second garage fridge, but then all this happened, so it remains.  It's completely full of beer so my stock is good for a while.  Especially since I'm not drinking hooch right now.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2020, 11:23:45 AM
We just have the one, but it's a big Subzero model, so it's kinda like having 2.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2020, 11:24:30 AM
Maybe the lockdown that starts at 5PM today will help curb these numbers. Maybe not.

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Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: ELA on March 21, 2020, 11:45:12 AM
I think he's just saying there are so many seniors, there won't be anything left. 

No, I was agreeing with him.  There were tons of seniors, and a similar percentage was hoarding as everyone else, so by the time its open to the public, the shelves will be empty
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: ELA on March 21, 2020, 11:46:40 AM
Honestly, aside from meat and bread, it's fine mid-day.  We have enough frozen meat to get by, but it's not great.

Anyone ever done the Omaha Steaks thing?  Are they at least fine?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2020, 11:51:54 AM
I'm not a big fan of Omaha steaks. I guess "fine" would be a good way to describe. I think this company is better, to be very honest. Much less $$ too.

https://www.nonamesteaks.com/

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2020, 11:53:44 AM
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Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 21, 2020, 11:55:29 AM
I'd rather support the local butcher shop, which has some high end stuff.  We don't eat much meat any more, the wife prefers fish or chicken or lamb.  The steelhead trout is excellent, that is almost all we eat, grilled, when it comes to fish.

The butcher shop is not cheap obviously.  Costco has prime cuts if you want them around $20 a pound or so.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 12:00:06 PM
Omaha Steaks are fine or better, just overpriced

I get a gift box each xmas from a contractor for Kansas City Steaks, I prefer them to Omaha

https://www.kansascitysteaks.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIkdv33fer6AIVSP_jBx2jyQt3EAAYASAAEgL_9_D_BwE (https://www.kansascitysteaks.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIkdv33fer6AIVSP_jBx2jyQt3EAAYASAAEgL_9_D_BwE)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 21, 2020, 12:03:45 PM
https://www.wsbtv.com/tower-cams/ (https://www.wsbtv.com/tower-cams/)

ATL airport tower cams.  Not much happening.  

https://www.georgiaaquarium.org/webcam/ocean-voyager/ (https://www.georgiaaquarium.org/webcam/ocean-voyager/)

Closed, but with web cams you can imagine fishing.

https://www.earthcam.com/usa/georgia/atlanta/?cam=atlanta (https://www.earthcam.com/usa/georgia/atlanta/?cam=atlanta)

Centennial park is deserted.  I guess air pollution is way down.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 12:04:02 PM
the local butcher I went to yesterday is a much better option than a place like Omaha Steaks

I haven't opened the package with the 8 rib eyes yet, but I totaled up the bill - Charged me $12.49 a pound

all 8 right about 16 ozs = $97

fresh cut, never frozen
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 21, 2020, 12:04:46 PM
I'm glad at least one person here understands me. :03:


Store here are doing it too. I get it for here. But in Florida?

They should do special hours for non-seniors!!

Until you move down there ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 12:06:36 PM
the chest freezer I have in my basement is smaller than some, probably about as old as I am.  Almost always chuck full as it is today and has been since long before this crisis

the fools running out to buy chest freezers are probably filling them with gallon jugs of milk!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 21, 2020, 12:09:43 PM
my usual grocery was open 24 hours in the past, I'd rather go there late or early and avoid crowds

I understand they might be doing deep cleaning while closed, just not sure how much that helps after the first 15 minutes of opening the doors to the mob waiting in line
Ever notice the mob or the problem is always someone else except for our selves of course.They're talking about us on Blogs/Boards/Face Space
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 21, 2020, 12:09:55 PM
How good is a freezer without electricity?  Asking for a non-friend.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 12:13:24 PM
27 degrees here this morning, w/o electricity I could simply drag the freezer onto the back patio
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 12:15:14 PM
OMG Italy just closed parks

maybe could have thought of this a few days ago if not a few weeks
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 21, 2020, 12:16:10 PM
My kegerator is actually a 21 cu ft convertible fridge/freezer, so if I took all the kegs and beer out of it, I could store a a frozen side of beef with room to spare. But I don't plan on doing that, so I don't consider that a "freezer" at all.
Priorities,foamy,fermented elixirs is the way to go
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 21, 2020, 12:20:40 PM
How good is a freezer without electricity?  Asking for a non-friend.
You got reason to believe you're going to lose electricity?  Work crews cutting lines in your area or something?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 21, 2020, 12:21:55 PM
OMG Italy just closed parks

maybe could have thought of this a few days ago if not a few weeks

Are parks especially dangerous or something?  The populace already has orders not to mingle.  If they're still doing it, the parks aren't the problem.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 21, 2020, 12:23:22 PM
I don't think parks are a problem unless folks are clustering together.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 21, 2020, 12:25:11 PM
I don't think parks are a problem unless folks are clustering together.
Yup.  And if they are clustering together, then closing the parks will simply push them into the alleyways and such.  Welding their doors shut might be the only option.


Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 21, 2020, 12:26:15 PM
Sure Mike, as "toilet paper"

https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/1241004717855080448?s=19
Well if this is circulated enough people will eat less after reading it therefore using less TP.Mother Huckabee must be so proud,so proud,perhaps he should have included his critique of leaves,pin oaks,sugar maples,birch,dogwood,chestnut,elm.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 12:27:26 PM
I don't think parks are a problem unless folks are clustering together.
similar to your story from last night

folks can't be trusted to do the right thing

close the beaches on Spring Break
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 21, 2020, 12:28:18 PM
 Welding their doors shut might be the only option.
They're out of propane/acetylene it's all been hoarded
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2020, 12:31:48 PM
Florida is about a week behind the rest of the large states in closing things. The governor screwed the pooch in allowing spring break to happen.

Now all of those assclowns are going to come back North.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 21, 2020, 12:36:54 PM
Florida is about a week behind the rest of the large states in closing things. The governor screwed the pooch in allowing spring break to happen.

Now all of those assclowns are going to come back North.

Texas beaches were a shitshow too, up until midway through this past week.

I do not plan to interact with anyone I know who was down there, or anyone who has kids who went down there, like my neighbors down the street.  Their two kids, who go to Texas Tech and University of Arkansas, were down at the beaches over Spring Break, and are now at home since their classes are canceled.  My neighbor wanted to get together and talk over some beers, and I told him I'd  be happy to do so-- in two weeks.  I love the guy, but he's not taking it very seriously, and I won't be interacting with him until it's all clear.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: ELA on March 21, 2020, 12:40:05 PM
I'd rather support the local butcher shop, which has some high end stuff.  We don't eat much meat any more, the wife prefers fish or chicken or lamb.  The steelhead trout is excellent, that is almost all we eat, grilled, when it comes to fish.

The butcher shop is not cheap obviously.  Costco has prime cuts if you want them around $20 a pound or so.
We tried that, but they are sold out on special orders.  We are going to put in an order for a couple weeks out today.  I've never been overly impressed with their cuts.  I know I'm biased, but Knight's in Ann Arbor is still the best northern butcher I've found, nothing has ever topped it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: ELA on March 21, 2020, 12:41:06 PM
Yup.  And if they are clustering together, then closing the parks will simply push them into the alleyways and such.  Welding their doors shut might be the only option.



Our playground closed yesterday, which is obviously different from a park.  That makes sense, all those kids, all the surfaces.  But as far as large parks go, I woudl think you'd want to leave those open for walking and jogging.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2020, 12:45:04 PM
Yeah, our local butcher doesn't have a lot of stock right now. He got hit by the hoarders too. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2020, 12:46:05 PM
Until you move down there ;D
I'm 53. Gonna be a much longer wait for me to be called a senior.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 12:51:45 PM
hopefully you'll make it
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 12:52:15 PM
Our playground closed yesterday, which is obviously different from a park.  That makes sense, all those kids, all the surfaces.  But as far as large parks go, I woudl think you'd want to leave those open for walking and jogging.
as long as they're only used properly
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Entropy on March 21, 2020, 12:54:44 PM

I bet Schwan's business will increase during this time...  curb side delivery will be appealing.   
 
I find it funny that all the people FB posting nonstop about staying home last week are now posting about food trucks coming around.   Yes, standing in line for a food truck is soooo much safer than social distancing in a restaurant.    

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 21, 2020, 01:04:38 PM
I bet Schwan's business will increase during this time...  curb side delivery will be appealing. 
 
I find it funny that all the people FB posting nonstop about staying home last week are now posting about food trucks coming around.  Yes, standing in line for a food truck is soooo much safer than social distancing in a restaurant.   



I see people posting on Facebook about how they're social-distancing and keeping groups under ten, while socializing with a DIFFERENT group of ten every evening.

Those are called dinner parties, folks. 

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: ELA on March 21, 2020, 01:44:12 PM
I bet Schwan's business will increase during this time...  curb side delivery will be appealing. 
 
I find it funny that all the people FB posting nonstop about staying home last week are now posting about food trucks coming around.  Yes, standing in line for a food truck is soooo much safer than social distancing in a restaurant.   


I can see the street from my home office, and we live about 1/3 of the way up a cul de sac, in the back of a neighborhood, so the only reason we get traffic is if it's to one of the 20 or so houses farther up, and I still see the Schwanns truck once or twice a day
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 01:48:21 PM
socializing with a DIFFERENT group of ten every evening.

Those are called dinner parties, folks.


no chance of "spread" there
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 21, 2020, 02:12:05 PM
We're trying to set up a "virtual happy hour" with our friends in Indianapolis and North Carolina tonight, but the Indy crew might bow out because it's his mom's birthday...

...if it were me, Coronavirus is the best excuse to get OUT of family events that one could have. "Sorry, mom, you know the governor said we shouldn't go out..."
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: ELA on March 21, 2020, 02:14:58 PM
We're trying to set up a "virtual happy hour" with our friends in Indianapolis and North Carolina tonight, but the Indy crew might bow out because it's his mom's birthday...

...if it were me, Coronavirus is the best excuse to get OUT of family events that one could have. "Sorry, mom, you know the governor said we shouldn't go out..."
We got out of even having to find an excuse for my wife's cousin's baby's first birthday 2 hours away next weekend.  We were never going, but now we don't even have to take crap for it
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on March 21, 2020, 02:23:27 PM
We got out of even having to find an excuse for my wife's cousin's baby's first birthday 2 hours away next weekend.  We were never going, but now we don't even have to take crap for it
Two hours? Yeesh.

I think I might be one of the few adults who doesn't mind kids birthday parties, mostly because it lets me see friends with kids who are usually too busy for much. Granted, I don't have my own kids.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 02:24:52 PM
I don't mind kid's Bday parties as long as there's good food and drink!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on March 21, 2020, 02:27:02 PM
One of our local food trucks did a preorder thing. Go online and get BBQ by the pound, not cheap, but they do good work. I was too late to get some, but they said they had their usual Saturday workload, which was great.

Instead I went to a local market/cafe for one of their very good sandwiches. They had everyone working, but the tone of the "thanks for coming in" from the owner just made my heart break. Really hoping they make it through. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 21, 2020, 02:33:57 PM
Yup, I hear ya.  I grew up in the restaurant business, and it's tough enough without any eternal problems.  I feel for those folks.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: ELA on March 21, 2020, 02:37:02 PM
Two hours? Yeesh.

I think I might be one of the few adults who doesn't mind kids birthday parties, mostly because it lets me see friends with kids who are usually too busy for much. Granted, I don't have my own kids.
When they are local, I actually enjoy them.  Kids don't really have friends at least until school age.  Their "friends" are just the kids of your friends.  So really all you do is hang out with your friends and day drink.  My kids are with me either way, and that is more enjoyable.

But driving to Akron, to see a cousin we see at Christmas and maybe one other time a year, and my extended family in laws?

Pass.  No matter the occasion.  The easiest part is that she doesn't want to go either.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on March 21, 2020, 03:21:07 PM
When they are local, I actually enjoy them.  Kids don't really have friends at least until school age.  Their "friends" are just the kids of your friends.  So really all you do is hang out with your friends and day drink.  My kids are with me either way, and that is more enjoyable.

But driving to Akron, to see a cousin we see at Christmas and maybe one other time a year, and my extended family in laws?

Pass.  No matter the occasion.  The easiest part is that she doesn't want to go either.
I would not drive to Akron from most anywhere, though the one place I've eaten there (Luigi's maybe?) was excellent. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: ELA on March 21, 2020, 03:30:45 PM
Technically Richfield, which is just north, but same difference
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 21, 2020, 03:35:24 PM
I bet Schwan's business will increase during this time...  curb side delivery will be appealing. 
 
I find it funny that all the people FB posting nonstop about staying home last week are now posting about food trucks coming around.  Yes, standing in line for a food truck is soooo much safer than social distancing in a restaurant.   


Well, it is.  You're exposing yourself to the person in front of you and behind you, and the food handler.
In a restaurant, you're exposing yourself to whoever comes near you AND everyone who sat at that table, previously.  IF they're disinfecting the tables, I doubt they're doing much with the chairs.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 21, 2020, 04:02:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/8FiTuNE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/DwnEHzz.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/z2nVqvH.jpg)

The park today, people were spread out but it was fairly crowded overall.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2020, 05:19:15 PM
So.. football.

Calling it now. It's not happening this year guys. 

Baseball is done too, and there will be no playoffs for NHL and NBA.

Discuss.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 21, 2020, 05:41:02 PM
Pass.  No matter the occasion.  The easiest part is that she doesn't want to go either.
Hey you don't have to explain your guilt pangs to us.Unless your close and much closer mileage wise 2 hrs is a long way to go for a B-Day party.Just tell them they don't have to come to your kids party,unless they already did.Then I'd fall back on the taking precautions route,which in fact you are.Now go have a beer you must feel terrible
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 21, 2020, 05:42:40 PM
I'd say there is some chance of a part season for baseball, I hope anyway.  CFB?  If we cancel that it means the wheels have well and truly come off and we're in a deep depression with huge unemployment numbers.  

I wonder at some point if the "authorities" realize a depression is worse than just letting the disease do its thing.  That sounds awful of course.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 21, 2020, 05:43:06 PM
So.. football.

Calling it now. It's not happening this year guys.

Baseball is done too, and there will be no playoffs for NHL and NBA.

Discuss.
Well then do the berks get paid?They should have to bare the burden like the rest of us.No coin sorry fellas.The one good thing that may come out of this is society might seewhat a sham pro sports really is
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2020, 05:57:29 PM
IF sports do happen, and I think it's a B1G IF, there will be no fans in the stands.

There has been some good news today on the medical front. We shall see.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 21, 2020, 06:10:46 PM
I don't know how this plays out.  It is POSSIBLE the virus "disappears" this summer.  It is possible we figure out how to manage it, akin to the regular flu.

And maybe "we" decide it's out and we just have to let it run its course after having hopefully prevented the hospitals from being overrun.

Sunlight almost certainly is its nemesis.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 21, 2020, 06:16:11 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/who-officials-say-at-least-20-coronavirus-vaccines-are-in-development-in-global-race-for-cure.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/who-officials-say-at-least-20-coronavirus-vaccines-are-in-development-in-global-race-for-cure.html)

Some absurdity here IMHO.  If we get a vaccine but not enough for everyone, the health care workers should be first in line, then other folks exposed to the public.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2020, 06:33:23 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/who-officials-say-at-least-20-coronavirus-vaccines-are-in-development-in-global-race-for-cure.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/who-officials-say-at-least-20-coronavirus-vaccines-are-in-development-in-global-race-for-cure.html)

Some absurdity here IMHO.  If we get a vaccine but not enough for everyone, the health care workers should be first in line, then other folks exposed to the public.
First responders, grocery store workers, pharmacists, restaurant staff, delivery staff, etc. Health care workers for sure.


Certainly not spring break assclowns or their idiot parents.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 21, 2020, 06:59:58 PM
I'd say there is some chance of a part season for baseball, I hope anyway.  CFB?  If we cancel that it means the wheels have well and truly come off and we're in a deep depression with huge unemployment numbers. 

I wonder at some point if the "authorities" realize a depression is worse than just letting the disease do its thing.  That sounds awful of course.
I think your last two sentences is an interesting point.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: longhorn320 on March 21, 2020, 07:47:21 PM
So.. football.

Calling it now. It's not happening this year guys.

Baseball is done too, and there will be no playoffs for NHL and NBA.

Discuss.
Wrong

Wrong

Wrong

Wrong
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 21, 2020, 08:09:43 PM
Our idiot governor announced a press conference for this evening at 7 that caused a statewide panic because everyone assumed more restrictions were coming.  There was a huge run on the grocery stores. So he has the press conference to announce he isn’t shutting the state down yet but to keep up the social distancing.

He probably caused the virus to spread more than anyone in the state by causing people to panic and congregate at stores.  The other day he held a press conference where he said, “the only way to beat this thing is to join hands and stay apart.”
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: ELA on March 21, 2020, 08:16:27 PM
Wrong

Wrong

Wrong

Wrong

I think we'll get a half season of baseball.  There will be no NBA or NHL playoffs though
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: ELA on March 21, 2020, 08:18:01 PM
I don't know how this plays out.  It is POSSIBLE the virus "disappears" this summer.  It is possible we figure out how to manage it, akin to the regular flu.

And maybe "we" decide it's out and we just have to let it run its course after having hopefully prevented the hospitals from being overrun.

Sunlight almost certainly is its nemesis.
It's certainly better for the "greater good" to let it run its course.  But tyranny of the majority is an awful way to run any civilization
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 21, 2020, 09:17:10 PM
At some point, I think "we" let it run its course, or we lose our entire civilization, seriously.  We can't maintain this for very long.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 21, 2020, 09:31:51 PM
this afternoon i was mowing and trimming, fiddling around in the wood shop, pressure washing and generally making a lot of noise.. 

between the weed eater and leaf blower, i thought i heard a voice crying for help.  turns out i did. 

the lady across the street is 85 years old, and was dragging herself across her back/side yard.  i sprinted over there to lend a hand.  she had 'fallen and couldn't get up'.... not really a joking matter, but... well... i joke about everything. 

after determining she didn't break anything by asking a series of questions and poking at her hip which she said took the brunt (that and her head), i went to scoop her up... carried her to her sofa and set her down, and went to retrieve her other neighbors who are some younger than her and have known her a lot longer than i have. 

so.. anyway.. i was a little short of breath after carrying her, and after she realized she was actually going to see the inside of her house tonight (she is a slow crawler) as opposed to tomorrow, it dawned on her i was breathing somewhat hard.. (i'd sprinted over to her when i saw her, and then carried her a considerable distance- all in the last three or so minutes)- she asked me "do you think you may have been exposed to that covid?" and said "if you have, i'm a goner"... I thought she was making a joke (she was embarrassed and it would have made sense)..... she wasn't... she was serious.. i think... 

i hope she didn't get the 'covid' from me... she promised to make me a pie in appreciation.  she's made a few for me in the past for various things i've helped her with... she does a fine job of it. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2020, 11:07:24 PM
Holy shit Drew. HOLY SHIT.


CDawg... No more lamb burgers for you. Sit tight.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 22, 2020, 12:13:17 AM
Technically Richfield, which is just north, but same difference
Some nice country there if it hasn't been developed already.Tore down the Coliseum - one of the finest BBall/Hockey Arenas I've ever been in.Made sense when they built it though
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Hawkinole on March 22, 2020, 12:34:45 AM
so.. anyway.. i was a little short of breath after carrying her, and after she realized she was actually going to see the inside of her house tonight (she is a slow crawler) as opposed to tomorrow, it dawned on her i was breathing somewhat hard.. (i'd sprinted over to her when i saw her, and then carried her a considerable distance- all in the last three or so minutes)- she asked me "do you think you may have been exposed to that covid?" and said "if you have, i'm a goner"... I thought she was making a joke (she was embarrassed and it would have made sense)..... she wasn't... she was serious.. i think...

i hope she didn't get the 'covid' from me... she promised to make me a pie in appreciation.  she's made a few for me in the past for various things i've helped her with... she does a fine job of it.
Drew, She is not the only elderly person who is scared. My dad is scared; he is 87, and has his full faculties. He works to keep busy, and believes he would die without being on a work schedule. This week he told the person who schedules him at Safeway in Tucson where he sacks groceries, to suspend him from the schedule.

He has two squamous cell cancers that were to be removed this week, and he took himself off the surgical calendar, fearing he could be infected by COVID-19 at the doctor's office and bring it home to my mother. Squamous cell should be removed quickly.

I think I will send him the surgical masks I was going to wear on my flight to Tucson, which I am canceling, so he feels better about going to the doctor.

My 25-year old daughter is scared. She works as a checker at a grocery store. Checkers are on the frontlines of the COVID-19 crisis. She has had a week off work for spring break from physical therapy school. She is scared of unknowingly passing something to an elderly PT patient and living with the lifelong guilt if that were to happen. I am not so sure she will be working with patients, though, now that school is being handled remotely.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 22, 2020, 12:39:12 AM
Hope > snarky remarks
I hadn't seen this.  It's not snarky to be realistic about this, man.  Living in some sort of optimistic fantasyland about it is how even more people get infected/die.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 22, 2020, 12:45:58 AM
Cases in the U.S.:
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March 14:  2,943
March 15:  3.680
March 16:  4,663
March 17:  6,411
March 18:  9,259
March 19:  13,789
March 20:  19,383
March 21:  24,207...and the day isn't over yet
.

Just under 10x growth in a week.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Hawkinole on March 22, 2020, 12:51:03 AM
So.. football.

Calling it now. It's not happening this year guys.

Baseball is done too, and there will be no playoffs for NHL and NBA.

Discuss.
I am of the opinion the deaths are coming in waves, and that the timing of such waves will vary with geography, and that will stretch out the chronology.

I cannot see MLB resuming before August, and I would guess the odds of MLB in 2020 are probably about 30%. Right now COVID-19 is raging in New York, Washington, and perhaps California. But not as much in other areas. Those other areas will get it later in the natural course of events, and you just cannot play MLB only in NYC in August when COVID-19 calms down there but is raging in Chicago and Detroit.

I would guess there is a 40% chance of college football starting in October. But, I am probably overly optimistic. Do they start practice the 2nd or 3rd week of September to resume football in Mid-October? My guess is that there still could be hotspots in September. 

My further guess is this will play out a bit like the 1918 flu where there were three waves, or humps in the chronological graph. We tamp it down, relax restrictions, and it takes off again, and there will be restrictions back in place, and the pattern will repeat. I now see the talking news heads and their experts estimating about as many as 80% of the population becoming infected. That is very bad news for people in my parents' age category, and perhaps for me, even though I am still somewhat robust.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 06:52:32 AM
I don't  trust figures on "confirmed cases" as being relevant to much.  My kid would not be counted obviously, but has every symptom and had exposure.  I presume (?) confirmed means a person who has been tested positive, which could well be only 10% of the cases out there.  And, as testing becomes more prominent the number should grow just because we test more people.  The folks who need testing are health care workers and others who are essential, not a patient who presents with every symptom.

My neighbor thus far is asympotomatic.  His potential exposure was his flight from Paris to here Sunday.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 22, 2020, 07:50:00 AM
I hadn't seen this.  It's not snarky to be realistic about this, man.  Living in some sort of optimistic fantasyland about it is how even more people get infected/die.
Hope isn't fantasy land it's a thing and nobody said ignore precautions - where did you get that fantasy land?You don't have to respond really
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 08:43:01 AM
https://www.atlantamagazine.com/news-culture-articles/atlantas-latest-coronavirus-updates-saturday-march-21/?fbclid=IwAR1mUYMCibm-0Mesb_grdpZJXl5GkmR6QPHbIjK7kcaPclg58dKpk_pvSL8 (https://www.atlantamagazine.com/news-culture-articles/atlantas-latest-coronavirus-updates-saturday-march-21/?fbclid=IwAR1mUYMCibm-0Mesb_grdpZJXl5GkmR6QPHbIjK7kcaPclg58dKpk_pvSL8)

Not really much new around here, cases continue to rise as expected.  Italy looking worse and worse, they may not be anywhere near a peak.

China and Russia to me have faked their figures.

I'd like to know what is meant by "confirmed cases".  Does that mean only those who tested positive, or does it include those who doctors determined by symptoms they are positive?  If a person has all the symptoms, should "we" really waste a rare test kit on them?  (

I'd reserve testing for HC workers and any others more exposed than say I am.  If I get it, I'll stay low and won't need a test, I think.  It doesn't change my treatment.  The wife would get it as well and we might need support from neighbors, just as we are supporting our neighbor.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 22, 2020, 08:51:31 AM
There is no doubt China and Russia are lying about their numbers. The only question is by how much.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 22, 2020, 09:24:10 AM
I too have some n95 masks that I picked up a good while back for when I sand woods like Sapele, purple heart, or bloodwood.. they're semi kinda pseudo toxic.  I'll gladly "donate" them... a matter of fact the guy two doors down is a paramedic on the island who is off today ( I wish he was around yesterday)....

@Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) how is #2 fairing?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 09:36:48 AM
#2 is over the worst of it, two days were pretty bad apparently (Tue/Wed).  #1 has been clear thus far, working from home, has a computer based job anyway.  She was just offered another job with a large raise and turned it down fearing that company situation was potentially unstable.  She likes her current job and has money to spare.  She was just asking me about refinancing her home loan in a month or three.

That child has always been very "tight" with money to the extent that at times I've had to encourage her to spend something on herself.  She lived in NYC for four years and hardly spent anything, part of that was working as an unpaid intern, so I was paying her bills.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 22, 2020, 09:40:37 AM
Good for her. 

When lenders start reacting to the rates dropping it may be the best time in history of time to refinance... 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 09:47:17 AM
I refinanced in November.  I took out the original loan in May 2018.  I had no idea rates would drop from there.  My payment dropped $500 a month and it went from a 5 year ARM to a ten (which gives me more flexibility).  I will look at the numbers in a month or so.

They told me they were really backed up in November on refis, but it got done in very short order and the closing attorney came here for closing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 09:50:26 AM
I just saw a news item that Border Patrol uncovered a large stash of toilet paper coming in from Mexico.  It was hidden under a pile of cocaine.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 11:11:48 AM
first confirmed case in my county

hopefully folks here will take this more seriously now
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 11:17:29 AM
if it's a good idea for NYC and New Jersey and San Fran to limit all travel (being outside your home or esential business)

why wouldn't it be a good idea for all other major cities and minor cities?

heck, why not for everyone?

obviously the public needs a strict definition of essential travel:  

I'm not sure a trip to Olive Garden for carry out is essential
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 22, 2020, 11:26:51 AM
if it's a good idea for NYC and New Jersey and San Fran to limit all travel (being outside your home or esential business)

why wouldn't it be a good idea for all other major cities and minor cities?

heck, why not for everyone?

obviously the public needs a strict definition of essential travel: 

I'm not sure a trip to Olive Garden for carry out is essential
Only if you have no food in the house.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 11:39:21 AM
if that's the case, do NOT go to Olive Garden for a single meal or a few meals, go to the grocery and purchase 2 weeks worth of meals in one trip out

as you know both daughters work in the service food area as do their friends, tough on that industry and tough on folks that don't cook for themselves well, but standing inline at the food truck or the human interaction that takes place for delivered or picked up single meals

I feel we should try locking things down VERY tightly and see if it's effective.  If not, then F it and open things up and let the virus run it's course

this "half in" crap doesn't seem to be working on either end
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 11:42:39 AM
I feel we should try locking things down VERY tightly and see if it's effective.  If not, then F it and open things up and let the virus run it's course

this "half in" crap doesn't seem to be working on either end
Not a bad thought.  We are pretty effectively shot down here.  Folks getting take out are generally not standing in larger groups waiting.  I called in my order and just picked it up.  I'm interested in whether the city sees any benefit in slowing this thing down.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 11:54:22 AM
If it's contactless pickup, which all the ones I have seen are, then I'm not sure what the danger is?  

People need to go to the grocery store.  People need to get food.  I don't see that limiting avenues to do so, when there is little or no risk, is a necessary step.  It's actually the opposite.



Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 22, 2020, 12:00:15 PM
In a way, I'm happy to Illinois on lockdown. I don't like our governor, but I'm pleased with his decision on this.

I'm still very pissed about holding the election last Tuesday though. He should have postponed it.

(https://mcusercontent.com/7fe208d3c85ffa1d03aeaade4/images/82366e1b-968b-428f-ac23-64f34798c2c9.png) (https://illinoispolicy.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7fe208d3c85ffa1d03aeaade4&id=bfc2e0d60c&e=97303474eb)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 12:35:07 PM
watching Iowa Press

IOWA -- Twenty-three more Iowans have tested positive for COVID-19, according to the Iowa Department of Public Health.

There are now 68 cases that have been confirmed in Iowa. The Iowa Department of Public Health says 1,049 negative tests have been conducted at the State Hygienic Lab.


and now tests are in short supply
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 12:50:23 PM
If it's contactless pickup, which all the ones I have seen are, then I'm not sure what the danger is? 

People need to go to the grocery store.  People need to get food.  I don't see that limiting avenues to do so, when there is little or no risk, is a necessary step.  It's actually the opposite.




utee, as you know the public isn't intelligent enough to do what's right.  See this pic on the front page of our local paper showing a "pickup"


(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/siouxcityjournal.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/7/d9/7d92b85e-a51d-5d4a-9ef8-d3e1dbc4c7ca/5e768494cff69.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C785)

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdata%3Aimage%2Fpng%3Bbase64%2CiVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAJCAQAAACRI2S5AAAAEklEQVR42mM8U8%2BAFzCOKgADAHdUC60wg0dkAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC&hash=46c944d3baca823867255edb2ee811df)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 12:54:43 PM
utee, as you know the public isn't intelligent enough to do what's right.  See this pic on the front page of our local paper showing a "pickup"
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdata%3Aimage%2Fpng%3Bbase64%2CiVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAJCAQAAACRI2S5AAAAEklEQVR42mM8U8%2BAFzCOKgADAHdUC60wg0dkAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC&hash=46c944d3baca823867255edb2ee811df)

But we're not going to be able to enforce martial law, which is the only way to prevent idiots from being idiots.  There just aren't enough military, national guard, and police, to enforce it.  So it's fruitless to suggest it.

Meanwhile, cutting off access to food is absolutely certain to create further panic.  Not just panic buying, I'm talking about people reacting violently, with weapons.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 01:16:08 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/uVF2Ddy.jpg)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 01:20:33 PM
But we're not going to be able to enforce martial law, which is the only way to prevent idiots from being idiots.  There just aren't enough military, national guard, and police, to enforce it.  So it's fruitless to suggest it.

Meanwhile, cutting off access to food is absolutely certain to create further panic.  Not just panic buying, I'm talking about people reacting violently, with weapons.


I'm not suggesting martial law or cutting off access to food.
Merely cutting off access to some opportunities for the idiots. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 22, 2020, 01:24:40 PM
this "half in" crap doesn't seem to be working on either end
We don't know that, actually. Because of the lack of testing resources, and because of the median incubation period being ~5 days (but it can be more than that), we haven't been on restriction long enough to have a clue. 

The first lockdown was the Bay Area, 6 days ago. Orange County followed the day after. NY/IL just basically over the weekend. NJ just announced. A lot of states are still only halfway there. 

It'll be at least a week before we can tell if we've slowed anything. And even then we may not know, because the shortages of test kits might mean that as tests become available, we'll start actually confirming the cases that we all expect exist and the numbers may still show exponential growth. 

But I wouldn't say for a second that we can claim the measures taken so far aren't helping. We don't have enough time to claim they are, either. It's too soon to call.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 22, 2020, 01:38:53 PM
utee, as you know the public isn't intelligent enough to do what's right. 
This.This.This.This.This.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 22, 2020, 01:46:18 PM
Please note the date of this post by the WHO. China lies.

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 01:46:49 PM
Who is intelligent enough to do what is right?  Bob McNamara and the Whiz Kids?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 02:14:21 PM
We don't know that, actually. Because of the lack of testing resources, and because of the median incubation period being ~5 days (but it can be more than that), we haven't been on restriction long enough to have a clue.

The first lockdown was the Bay Area, 6 days ago. Orange County followed the day after. NY/IL just basically over the weekend. NJ just announced. A lot of states are still only halfway there.

It'll be at least a week before we can tell if we've slowed anything. And even then we may not know, because the shortages of test kits might mean that as tests become available, we'll start actually confirming the cases that we all expect exist and the numbers may still show exponential growth.

But I wouldn't say for a second that we can claim the measures taken so far aren't helping. We don't have enough time to claim they are, either. It's too soon to call.
I would say the measures taken so far are helping, just not enough to fend off lockdowns to this point.
If the end game is lockdown, better to be doing it today than waiting
I'd guess the Bay Area, Orange County, NY, NJ, and IL wish they would have done this sooner in hindsight
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 22, 2020, 02:18:39 PM
I would say the measures taken so far are helping, just not enough to fend off lockdowns to this point.
If the end game is lockdown, better to be doing it today than waiting
I'd guess the Bay Area, Orange County, NY, NJ, and IL wish they would have done this sooner in hindsight
Yeah, but elections!!

I sent a scathing message to our governor on this. I'm thinking I won't hear back.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 22, 2020, 02:19:44 PM
Please note the date of this post by the WHO. China lies.

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152

I would edit this to say "dictators lie when there's really bad news".
(yes this includes Jinping and Trump)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 22, 2020, 02:21:11 PM

If the end game is lockdown, better to be doing it today than waiting
I'd guess the Bay Area, Orange County, NY, NJ, and IL wish they would have done this sooner in hindsight
This is part of the stupidity. 
Half-measure, check and see how bad it is.
Another half-measure, check and see how bad it is.
Repeat.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 22, 2020, 02:21:31 PM
Who is intelligent enough to do what is right?  Bob McNamara and the Whiz Kids?
Not these dumbass kids.


(https://s28209.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/beach-florida-3.jpg.optimal.jpg)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 02:23:57 PM
Yeah, but elections!!

I sent a scathing message to our governor on this. I'm thinking I won't hear back.
can you imagine the november election being called off for public safety?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 02:25:28 PM
I'm not suggesting martial law or cutting off access to food.
Merely cutting off access to some opportunities for the idiots.
If you're suggesting anything further than the current shut-downs already in place in the largest, most population-dense cities in our country, then you are calling for martial law.  It would be the only way to enforce anything further than what's currently happening.

And martial law isn't going to work for any number of reasons.  

You can call it the dangers of living in a free society, but that's where we are right now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 22, 2020, 02:26:29 PM
can you imagine the november election being called off for public safety?
Hopefully we will be past this by then, but yeah, I could see it if it were to happen today.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 02:27:58 PM
I assume the Chinese implemented martial law in Wuhan.  

If they did, was it effective?

I suppose their stats aren't reliable, but it would be helpful

I assume Italy did NOT implement martial law or even lock downs since they just restricted parks yesterday.

We have a pretty good idea that what they've done has not been effective
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 02:28:08 PM
Hopefully we will be past this by then, but yeah, I could see it if it were to happen today.
There are conspiracy theorists asserting this is the end-game of our current president...
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 02:30:27 PM
If you're suggesting anything further than the current shut-downs already in place in the largest, most population-dense cities in our country, then you are calling for martial law.  It would be the only way to enforce anything further than what's currently happening.

And martial law isn't going to work for any number of reasons. 

You can call it the dangers of living in a free society, but that's where we are right now.
I'm not calling for martial law.

I'm calling for the lock downs in the cities being for everyone

under the current big city lock downs, is a trip to Olive Garden to pickup a single meal allowed??
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 02:32:56 PM
I'm not calling for martial law.

I'm calling for the lock downs in the cities being for everyone

under the current big city lock downs, is a trip to Olive Garden to pickup a single meal allowed??

Probably?  And why shouldn't it be?  It's a method of getting food. It can be done in a contactless manner.  Arguably it's less risky than going into a grocery store.

Like I said, just TRY to stop people from having access to avenues for getting food, and see how quickly the violent response comes.




Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 02:33:10 PM
There are conspiracy theorists asserting this is the end-game of our current president...
some crazies reach to politicize EVERYTHING

Donkeys are using the virus to assure Trump isn't re-elected

Elephants are using the virus to assure Trump is re-elected

neither side of the isle knows what the F is going to happen

 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 02:35:39 PM
Probably?  And why shouldn't it be?  It's a method of getting food. It can be done in a contactless manner.  Arguably it's less risky than going into a grocery store.

Like I said, just TRY to stop people from having access to avenues for getting food, and see how quickly the violent response comes.





obviously, I've just stated that this seems like an ineffective way to acquire food with more risk of contamination than is needed.
no one need starve if carry out / pickup service is banned
no need for riots and looting
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 02:40:17 PM
obviously, I've just stated that this seems like an ineffective way to acquire food with more risk of contamination than is needed.
no one need starve if carry out / pickup service is banned
no need for riots and looting

I can get carry-out pickup much much faster than a trip to the grocery store right now, which now takes several hours currently, in my town.  It also involves standing in a long line of people.  The pickup window at the pizza place requires only minutes and the closest I come to another human is maybe 10 feet.

So tell me which one is riskier?

You're dying on the wrong hill here.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 22, 2020, 02:43:12 PM
When (not if) a food-handler is infected, everyone picking up their pasta primavera is infected.  That's the argument.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 22, 2020, 02:45:01 PM
can you imagine the november election being called off for public safety?
There would be no need for this.  But if you believe Trump wouldn't leave, even if he lost, this would be a convenient outcome for him.  You can do anything in the name of national security, why not public safety?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 22, 2020, 02:45:52 PM
I actually want the media to lie when/if we do flatten the curve and our efforts pay off.  The minute people think "we did it!", they'll go back out into the world and it'll start back up again.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 03:10:19 PM
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/22/819840467/sen-rand-paul-has-tested-positive-for-the-coronavirus?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=nprblogscoronavirusliveupdates (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/22/819840467/sen-rand-paul-has-tested-positive-for-the-coronavirus?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=nprblogscoronavirusliveupdates)

I presume this thing is simple already out there and we're just trying to slow the spread.  It seems like it is headed into very deep waters.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 03:19:13 PM
I can get carry-out pickup much much faster than a trip to the grocery store right now, which now takes several hours currently, in my town.  It also involves standing in a long line of people.  The pickup window at the pizza place requires only minutes and the closest I come to another human is maybe 10 feet.

So tell me which one is riskier?

You're dying on the wrong hill here. 

Dude,

If you're picking up enough pizza at the window to feed your family for two weeks w/o another trip out for food I'll die on the hill
2 trips a day for 2 weeks =more risk than one trip to the market
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 03:24:53 PM
When (not if) a food-handler is infected, everyone picking up their pasta primavera is infected.  That's the argument.
Same thing for a checker at the grocery store.

No difference at all, except the checker is processing far more people per day.

So, there's no argument at all.

Heck, YOU'RE the one that was arguing in favor of food trucks just yesterday.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 03:28:51 PM
Dude,

If you're picking up enough pizza at the window to feed your family for two weeks w/o another trip out for food I'll die on the hill
2 trips a day for 2 weeks =more risk than one trip to the market

Plenty of people aren't eating out 2x per day.  Also, plenty of people aren't buying 2 weeks worth of  food at the grocery store, many of them because they can't afford it.  Buying one cheap-ass XL pizza at the drive-thru is something they CAN manage, though.


Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 03:38:39 PM
food

and especially pizza is much cheaper at the grocery

and most folks that can't afford two weeks of food at the grocery probably wasted their budgets on toilet paper
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 03:39:50 PM
Tulip bulbs, I'm cornering the market on tulip bulbs....
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 03:46:11 PM
food

and especially pizza is much cheaper at the grocery

and most folks that can't afford two weeks of food at the grocery probably wasted their budgets on toilet paper

This is really a stupid argument FF.  I can get an XL from my cheapest take-out place for $6.  That's cheaper than the grocery store for the same amount of food by weight. It is NOT more expensive, it simply isn't.

I also don't have to wait in a multiple-hours-long line around hundreds of potentially infected people to do it.  I can wait in my car and interact with only one person, a person I never come into close contact with.  

Again, this is a stupid hill to die on but your trademark is stirring the pot on stupid shit so I'll leave you to it.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 22, 2020, 04:02:37 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3150686661632153&set=a.199445616756287&type=3

shared this elsewhere... great idea... 

elderly given two pieces of construction paper.. one green one red... if they need help, meds, food, ect... swap the red one for the green and folks can see it.. i'm heading to drug store to get some now- a friend works there and is holding it for me... going to hand them to some elderly on my street. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 04:07:41 PM
volume of food by weight and the pizza shop beats the grocery?

and it's cheaper

you win

we should close walmart and the grocery and have everyone go thru the McDonalds drive thru and olive garden for curb service or just get Dominos to deliver stacks of pizza
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 04:21:02 PM
volume of food by weight and the pizza shop beats the grocery?

and it's cheaper

you win

we should close walmart and the grocery and have everyone go thru the McDonalds drive thru and olive garden for curb service or just get Dominos to deliver stacks of pizza

It might be less risky.  Have you seen the people that shop at Walmart?  Infected carriers, the entire lot of them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 04:29:05 PM
I don't go to Walmart ever

I'm relatively fearless regarding most things in life, but Walmart is scary 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 04:37:43 PM
I venture to Wally World about once a month for some basics and go early in the morning where the only folks there are their folks restocking.  It is a rather strange place.

I recall watching K-Mart erode from being an OK discount place to get stuff to a run down place to a flat out nasty place where no one should shop to closed up.  Walmart is in Step 2 I think.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 04:57:34 PM
Iowa's salons, barber shops, medical spas, massage therapists, tattoo shops and swimming pools will be closed until March 31, Gov. Kim Reynolds announced at a news conference Sunday.

She signed an executive order Sunday, which will take effect at 10 p.m., she said. She has also suspended foreclosures on residential, commercial and agriculture properties.


_________________________________________________ _____

and more than a few times during her press conference she pleaded with Iowans to do the right thing......

stay home if you feel ill


why not simply stay home if you don't need to be out and about

some folks are contagious w/o feeling symptoms
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 22, 2020, 06:36:25 PM
I really don't understand these 1-week measures at all.  For us at work, it was we're off until March 30th.  Then April 11th.  THIS IS A MATHEMATICAL PROBLEM - and these 1 and 2-week measures only get us to when more people will be infected and dying. 
It's evidence that the various decision-makers across the country don't know what in the hell they're doing.  Not even a little.
.
Normally, giving something some time and then checking on it is a prudent idea.  Sure.  I get it.  But this is not that.  We know, with certainty, that it will be worse in a week. Worse in 2.  It is not a 'maybe' thing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 22, 2020, 06:39:18 PM
Same thing for a checker at the grocery store.

No difference at all, except the checker is processing far more people per day.

So, there's no argument at all.

Heck, YOU'RE the one that was arguing in favor of food trucks just yesterday. 
I was explaining his point.  You seemed not to fathom it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 06:42:18 PM
I was explaining his point.  You seemed not to fathom it.
I understood it fine, thanks.

Didn't agree with it, certainly.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 22, 2020, 06:42:45 PM
I just saw a news item that Border Patrol uncovered a large stash of toilet paper coming in from Mexico.  It was hidden under a pile of cocaine.
Gives a whole new meaning to the word "crackhead"
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 06:47:15 PM
I really don't understand these 1-week measures at all.  
this week shut down hair salons

next week?

then the week after that

until it's too late, then ban all unneeded activity

the only explanation is to ease folks into this so they don't panic - I think most are past that point
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 07:00:38 PM
this week shut down hair salons

next week?

then the week after that

until it's too late, then ban all unneeded activity

the only explanation is to ease folks into this so they don't panic - I think most are past that point

The most dangerous thing, is that these half-measuers are already burning out the populace.  By the time we get to the "ban all unneeded activity" point, a large chunk of people will have already been hunkered down for 4 weeks.  Then you're going to ask them do do another 2 months?  

Good luck with that.

Like CD already said, we're realistically only a couple weeks away from the point where we're going to have to abandon it completely and let it run its course. I;m not advocating that, it's certainly not what I'd like to see, but that's where we're going to find ourselves.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: GopherRock on March 22, 2020, 07:23:18 PM
Checking in quickly. 

Gov. Tim Walz has been doing a good job at the helm during this crisis. Driving the point home that this isn't anything to screw around with. I'm expecting the shelter-in-place order to come soon. I'll admit the initial . Schools are currently closed in MN until at least Friday, and I'm expecting a sizable extension of that during the week. I'm also firmly in the close-it-down camp, but it took some convincing to get the Mrs. there.

Both the Mrs. and I are fortunate enough to be able to work from home, and whose positions aren't going anywhere in the coming bloodletting. If anything, my wife has had a very very busy week getting all of her colleagues up to snuff on online teaching, as well as supporting her students as their careers have been turned upside down on a dime.  Speaking of bloodletting, unemployment insurance claims went from 2,500 the week ending March 13 to 98,000 a week later.

Our agency leadership had the foresight to tell us Thursday the 12th to start operating under the assumption you won't be physically at your desk for a while, and to make yourself as mobile as possible. Last week actually worked out pretty good, but we did some furniture reconfiguration to make it easier to delineate when the workday is done for both of us.

As far as to-go food goes, I would think that using wipes or soapy water to clean the outside of the containers breaks up anything there, and throwing said food into the oven and heat it to bacteria-killing temperature solve that issue.

We're getting a curbside pickup tomorrow from a regional grocery chain, and I'm still working on the procedure for bringing the stuff into the house. Leave the non-perishables in the car for 24 hours, then wash down the perishables with soapy water or the Lysol wipes prior to placement? Any advice is greatly appreciated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NywTcGOUkE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NywTcGOUkE)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 22, 2020, 08:21:06 PM
this week shut down hair salons

next week?

then the week after that

until it's too late, then ban all unneeded activity

the only explanation is to ease folks into this so they don't panic - I think most are past that point
How many ribeyes did you serve last night? Medium rare, rare? well? How many people?

8?

Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 08:34:25 PM
served 6 guys, my golf cart partner turned 55.

I failed to grill all 6 to rare/med rare - 130 degrees

2 or 3 were med rare, 3 or 4 were med.

I'm still upset about it.

no complaints from the guys, all compliments 

the rib eyes were rated choice, but they were either top of the choice rating or prime

wish I would have taken pics of the marbling 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 08:36:09 PM
the 2 steaks that weren't grilled were sent home with the Birthday boy.

He cares for his 94 year old father.  I'd guess they can get two meals out of them by sharing a 16oz rib eye
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: mcwterps1 on March 22, 2020, 09:09:15 PM
Wondering if the Flu Task Force is going to help with this hoax? 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 09:43:26 PM
watching the Blues Brothers on Starz Comedy
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 09:44:41 PM
Watching Star Wars on Bluray.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 09:58:33 PM
Curtis:
Well, the Sister was right. You boys could use a little churching up. Slide on down to the Triple Rock, and catch Rev. Cleophus. You boys listen to what he's got to say.

Jake:
Curtis, I don't want to listen to no jive-ass preacher talking to me about Heaven and Hell.

Curtis:
Jake, you get wise. You get to church.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 10:01:29 PM
Darth Vader:

Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed.  The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of The Force. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 10:16:15 PM
Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 10:22:47 PM
Admiral Motti:

Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Rebels' hidden fort...
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 10:37:10 PM
Jake: "Give us a bottle of your finest Champagne, five shrimp cocktails, and some bread for my brother."

PeeWee: "We have a Dom Perignon '71 at 120 dollars"

Jake: "That'll be fine, pal."
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 10:49:43 PM
Luke:

She's rich
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: CWSooner on March 22, 2020, 11:07:23 PM
Please note the date of this post by the WHO. China lies.

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152

China lies and the WHO covers for China because it gets a lot of money from China.
The Chicoms know who (heh! it should be whom) to buy off.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 22, 2020, 11:09:07 PM
CDC > WHO when it comes to info.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: CWSooner on March 22, 2020, 11:11:46 PM
I would edit this to say "dictators lie when there's really bad news".
(yes this includes Jinping and Trump)
You're doing the equivalent of saying, "I hate you, therefore you are a Nazi!"
I'm no fan of Trump, but he's not a dictator.  Maybe he would like to be, but he's not.  Federal judges have been overturning his executive orders since the early days of his administration.

Dictators don't have to worry about stuff like that.
Jinping doesn't have to worry about stuff like that.
You undercut your legitimate points when you say stupid political stuff like Trump = dictator.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: CWSooner on March 22, 2020, 11:16:59 PM
I actually want the media to lie when/if we do flatten the curve and our efforts pay off.  The minute people think "we did it!", they'll go back out into the world and it'll start back up again.
Do you believe in self-government or not?
You say Trump = dictator = bad, but then you say you hope the media will lie to us for our own good because we are too stupid to come in out of the raid without the government making us do it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: CWSooner on March 22, 2020, 11:24:41 PM
CDC > WHO when it comes to info.
See?  This is a legit point.  Right on the money.
So why say all the crazy stuff that does nothing but undermine your own credibility?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MarqHusker on March 23, 2020, 12:00:13 AM
I see the Golf courses of America are on the same page.  I received no fewer than five emails today from courses that I frequent laying out how they are handling tee times, replete with 'ten rules' for play, which included all the usual,  no handshaking, don't touch or remove the pin flags,  no rakes in the bunkers (use your feet),   use your own tee, nobody else's.   Riders will drive their own carts, if they run out of carts, you're to walk, no exceptions.  No sand bottles/or divot mix stations.    No on course bathrooms, water or food or beverage service of any kind.   I know one local course is putting the cup above the surface, the instruction is to putt the ball to make contact with the 'cup' but not to hole out.  (keep your filthy mitts from the cup!)

All tee times booked/paid on line, narrowed hours, off the course by Xpm.      When weather cooperates, these places will be jammed IMO.   They were mid week, till weather turned.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Hawkinole on March 23, 2020, 12:08:17 AM
Iowa's salons, barber shops, . . . closed
Damn. I thought about getting a haircut Saturday on condition my barber wore an exam mask while I did so as well. He is rather conservative but I think he would have gone along with it, and probably worn it the remainder of the day, if I asked.

By Saturday a.m. mid-day, I thought, to play it really safe, I'll go back to my mid-to-late 1970s look. Then 6-weeks from now I will adopt a new look. I'll buy Brylcream, and comb it back like Trump and Calif. Gov. Gavin Newsome. However, I refuse to buy orange spray-on facial dye, and goggles. If I am still breathing, that's one line I won't cross.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 23, 2020, 12:13:18 AM
I had already let my hair get pretty out of control before all this started.  Now, I don't consider my haircut to be "essential" so  I'll continue to led it grow.  (though I did venmo my hair gal my normal pay in advance because she could probably use it).

So for those who've seen me in person, I'm now very much starting to resemble full-on mullet 80s/90s John Stamos, rather than current/more recent clean cut John Stamos.

But the middle aged GenXer ladies are really digging me, so I got that going for me... which is nice.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 23, 2020, 12:34:41 AM
You're doing the equivalent of saying, "I hate you, therefore you are a Nazi!"
I'm no fan of Trump, but he's not a dictator.  Maybe he would like to be, but he's not.  Federal judges have been overturning his executive orders since the early days of his administration.

Dictators don't have to worry about stuff like that.
Jinping doesn't have to worry about stuff like that.
You undercut your legitimate points when you say stupid political stuff like Trump = dictator.
This is all I was saying, sheesh.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 23, 2020, 12:36:21 AM
Do you believe in self-government or not?
You say Trump = dictator = bad, but then you say you hope the media will lie to us for our own good because we are too stupid to come in out of the raid without the government making us do it.
Tongue-in-cheek.  
Interesting that I only said the media, but you link that with the government.  Our gov't under Trump has made it clear they're at war with each other, not one and the same.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MaximumSam on March 23, 2020, 07:22:04 AM
If you are looking for something to watch, Tiger King on Netflix is absolutely bananas
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 23, 2020, 08:02:47 AM
If our President tries to mislead us, we have other avenues to ascertain reality.  I suspect in a true dictatorship those avenues are largely eliminated.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Honestbuckeye on March 23, 2020, 08:13:53 AM
Silliness.  In A dictatorship the press is controlled by the dictator. Here in United States the press has been very liberal and extremely anti-Trump to the point of not even being honest.

They don’t even try to hide it.   

That’s why I ignore them now- nothing constructive or balanced/ just criticism.   As I said before that has worked against them and appears to be working against them now.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 23, 2020, 08:58:50 AM
If you are looking for something to watch, Tiger King on Netflix is absolutely bananas
I finished it last night.  Words escape me.  My wife would catch bits and pieces as she walked in and out of the room and finally asked me, “What on earth are you watching?”  Truly bizarre.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: GopherRock on March 23, 2020, 09:20:59 AM
Darth Vader:

Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed.  The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of The Force.
You stole my line!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 23, 2020, 09:24:58 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/fed-announces-a-slew-of-new-programs-to-help-markets-including-open-ended-asset-purchases.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/fed-announces-a-slew-of-new-programs-to-help-markets-including-open-ended-asset-purchases.html)

“We are now in QE infinity, again,” Peter Boockvar, chief investment officer at Bleakley Advisory Group, said in a note.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 23, 2020, 09:39:42 AM

So why say all the crazy stuff that does nothing but undermine your own credibility?
cause he's crazy???
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Riffraft on March 23, 2020, 09:45:44 AM
cause he's crazy???
He is not crazy, just blinded by his bias and his elitism. He knows better than everyone else, we are all stupid animals who cannot think properly and make smart decision for ourselves. He must make them for us for our own good. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 23, 2020, 10:30:44 AM
Hair clippers just showed up at the door.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 23, 2020, 10:44:22 AM
He is not crazy, just blinded by his bias and his elitism. He knows better than everyone else, we are all stupid animals who cannot think properly and make smart decision for ourselves. He must make them for us for our own good.
in my book, that's crazy ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 23, 2020, 11:37:28 AM
When (not if) a food-handler is infected, everyone picking up their pasta primavera is infected.  That's the argument.
That's not true, though... I posted this a few days ago:

https://www.seriouseats.com/2020/03/food-safety-and-coronavirus-a-comprehensive-guide.html (https://www.seriouseats.com/2020/03/food-safety-and-coronavirus-a-comprehensive-guide.html)

Coronavirii (not just this one, but all known variants) are airborne, not foodborne. There are no known cases of transmission through food. 

There is a small risk of an infected food-handler touching a surface (plastic bag, cardboard box for pizza, etc) and then you touching that surface and picking your nose, which would be a potential vector. But as long as you get home and wash your hands without touching your face, the food should be safe to eat. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 23, 2020, 11:40:46 AM
Hair clippers just showed up at the door.
I already had some, so going forward it's going to be self-cut hair for me until this blows over.

I'm trying to rope my wife into helping, but she's worried about screwing it up. Yet if I do myself it'll be the 1/2" guard over the whole head, so I don't think she can screw it up worse than my *best* case. 

Before this is all over, I'll probably have to cut both my sons' hair too. That I can probably do a better job, because I'll be able to see and use scissors. I might actually be able to make it not look horrible.

But either way, the advantage of short hair is that when this all ends, another 2-3 weeks is all it will take for it to grow long enough to be appropriately cut/styled. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 23, 2020, 12:00:59 PM
I was watching a bit of TV last night, mostly Law and Order reruns, and pondered how long commercials will last.  I presume most we see now were preplanned under contract.  I see car commercials etc.  The travel commercials seem to have largely disappeared.  I have not seen a toilet paper commercial in a while.

This obviously would cut the money string for network TV in a large way.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 23, 2020, 12:10:33 PM
One thing I wonder is when people become forced to do things for themselves, how many of them will continue after this is over. 

I'm already there with food. Most of the meals my wife and I make at home are better and cheaper than any comparable restaurant food. When we eat at restaurants it's either a special occasion, or it's a day that we are deliberately paying for it because it's easy and we're taking a night off. I think maybe people are going to realize that cooking isn't all that hard, and maybe long-term eat out less frequently. 

Take the haircut thing, for example. For me to take my two sons for haircuts, after tax+tip, is $24/each. It's an hour+ event given drive time [although sometimes I fold it into school pickups or other errands], so it's not like I'm saving time by paying for it. 

If I get to start cutting their hair and can do it without making them look like circus clowns, why go back to the barber with them after this ends?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 23, 2020, 12:13:37 PM
One thing I wonder is when people become forced to do things for themselves, how many of them will continue after this is over.

I'm already there with food. Most of the meals my wife and I make at home are better and cheaper than any comparable restaurant food. When we eat at restaurants it's either a special occasion, or it's a day that we are deliberately paying for it because it's easy and we're taking a night off. I think maybe people are going to realize that cooking isn't all that hard, and maybe long-term eat out less frequently.

Take the haircut thing, for example. For me to take my two sons for haircuts, after tax+tip, is $24/each. It's an hour+ event given drive time [although sometimes I fold it into school pickups or other errands], so it's not like I'm saving time by paying for it.

If I get to start cutting their hair and can do it without making them look like circus clowns, why go back to the barber with them after this ends?

Dude, you need to go hit the hair salons in the barrios.  How's your Spanish?

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 23, 2020, 12:14:45 PM
We dine out rather than eat out for that reason.  It's more of an event for us when we go.  We don't eat at chains but rarely.  Our local French restaurant is closed, not even take out.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 23, 2020, 12:24:09 PM
Dude, you need to go hit the hair salons in the barrios.  How's your Spanish?
With gas prices, I might end up spending more ;-) 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 23, 2020, 12:45:13 PM
with gas prices this low you could drive to Tijuana

oh crap, the border is closed
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 23, 2020, 01:37:08 PM
"Low" gas prices here are high nationally... Looking at GasBuddy the average in Orange County is $3.21.

I don't think I can find <$3.09 in my town.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 23, 2020, 01:45:42 PM
I saw gas at $1.50 in a small town Thursday afternoon
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 23, 2020, 02:12:48 PM
$1.49 at my normal gas station up the road.  It's a shame there's nowhere to go...

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 23, 2020, 02:25:04 PM
There's speculation at this point that a lot of the small oil & gas companies could go out of business as soon as this year.

Meanwhile, the big ones become even bigger, but this price collapse is now giving them incentive to look to invest more in renewables (which they're already starting to) because while those investments are much less risky and there isn't as big of a trade-off in potential profit like there has been. The big European energy companies are already making this transition so it's only a matter of time.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 23, 2020, 02:39:46 PM
My sense is the investment in renewables by companies  like Exxon is PR.  They kept running ads about fuel from algae, which is old technology and with known major issues.  I don't know if there is a practicable way around these major issues, one being gunking up your filters.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 23, 2020, 03:01:03 PM
There's speculation at this point that a lot of the small oil & gas companies could go out of business as soon as this year.

Meanwhile, the big ones become even bigger, but this price collapse is now giving them incentive to look to invest more in renewables (which they're already starting to) because while those investments are much less risky and there isn't as big of a trade-off in potential profit like there has been. The big European energy companies are already making this transition so it's only a matter of time.
My sense is the investment in renewables by companies  like Exxon is PR.  They kept running ads about fuel from algae, which is old technology and with known major issues.  I don't know if there is a practicable way around these major issues, one being gunking up your filters.
What I think you see with this is that no matter what people think is necessary to do, Coronavirus gives a great reason for people to do what they already want to do.

For example, on the various libertarian blogs (Cato, Reason), they're all talking about how the fact that we're relaxing FDA requirements, reducing occupational licensing requirements for economic reasons, and allowing things like home delivery of booze without the world ending suggest that what they've been advocating for all along make sense. 

The idea that a price collapse in oil means that investment in renewables will suddenly spike is counterintuitive. Renewables are typically more expensive, and investment/push for renewables tends to be most popular when fossil fuel energy sources are most expensive, not cheap. 

If high fossil fuel prices mean that companies should invest more in renewables and low fossil fuel prices mean that companies should invest more in renewables, it makes you think that the decision precedes the rationale... 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 23, 2020, 03:06:21 PM
And of course the petroleum industry is geared to transportation while renewable power is electricity, which is not nearly as relevant to transportation (yet).  As EVs come along of course that evolves, but a windmill doesn't get your gasoline powered car any further along.  Something close to 10%  of petroleum and NG is used by the chemical industry, that is a part that won't readily change.  And we make a lot of fertilizer using the Haber process from NG and ammonia.  

I've seen first hand how much large companies will spend on what is in effect PR by pretending to do something "eco-conscious" or whatever when nothing is expected of it.  I was smack in the middle of one of those circa 1992.  It was interesting and unpleasant politically.  Very.

I messed with the wrong lady.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 23, 2020, 04:07:34 PM
Local vodka distiller Tito's has converted some of its manufacturing to hand sanitizer and is delivering 24 tons of the stuff, for free.  They're also donating $2M to CV relief efforts.

https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/titos-handmade-hand-sanitizer/ (https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/titos-handmade-hand-sanitizer/)

Just a great company that's always been great to the community, going back 20 years when I was their first (and only) charitable tailgate party.  These days, they sponsor scores and perhaps even hundreds of them. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 23, 2020, 04:11:33 PM
and Tito's is dog friendly
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 23, 2020, 04:28:11 PM
$&#^! So we're gonna have a vodka shortage now? 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 23, 2020, 04:47:01 PM
I have two handles at my house

that should last a couple weeks
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 23, 2020, 04:50:11 PM
and Tito's is dog friendly
Hairy naked men in their factory.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MarqHusker on March 23, 2020, 04:53:07 PM
I want to punch the lawyers in the face that sued Titos over their hand made/crafted claims.

I dont even drink vodka. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 23, 2020, 05:58:10 PM
still says handmade on the label

must not have been successful
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 23, 2020, 06:47:54 PM
And of course the petroleum industry is geared to transportation while renewable power is electricity, which is not nearly as relevant to transportation (yet).  As EVs come along of course that evolves, but a windmill doesn't get your gasoline powered car any further along.  Something close to 10%  of petroleum and NG is used by the chemical industry, that is a part that won't readily change.  And we make a lot of fertilizer using the Haber process from NG and ammonia. 

I've seen first hand how much large companies will spend on what is in effect PR by pretending to do something "eco-conscious" or whatever when nothing is expected of it.  I was smack in the middle of one of those circa 1992.  It was interesting and unpleasant politically.  Very.

I messed with the wrong lady.
Yes, the price range at which the oil & gas industry can be successful is slowly being squeezed by profitability on the low side and renewables, electrification, and (eventually) hydrogen on the high side.. China and Europe are already electrifying transportation and other sectors and starting to scale up hydrogen production, and it's only a matter of time until that really starts taking off in the US and elsewhere..... Transforming the industrial sector will be challenging to be sure, but even carbon-capture could become cost-effective for its processes eventually.

In other news, the Philadelphia area is officially locked down for at least two weeks so I'm stuck at my parents' place at least until that ends, not that there's anything to do in DC now, anyway.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 23, 2020, 07:02:01 PM
Hydrogen is not an energy source.  It's an energy storage tactic, and very expensive to generate in terms of energy requirements.

Carbon capture is an entropy nightmare.  I see a lot of PR with both and not much substance.  Thermodynamics is not something that we can change.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 23, 2020, 07:32:23 PM
In other news, the Philadelphia area is officially locked down for at least two weeks so I'm stuck at my parents' place at least until that ends, not that there's anything to do in DC now, anyway.
The lockdown would not likely stop you from going from Philly to your place in DC...

...but if you want to eat your parent's free food, don't tell them that :72:
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 23, 2020, 08:41:21 PM
Hydrogen is not an energy source.  It's an energy storage tactic, and very expensive to generate in terms of energy requirements.

Carbon capture is an entropy nightmare.  I see a lot of PR with both and not much substance.  Thermodynamics is not something that we can change.


Neither are ready to be commercialized yet by any means, though hydrogen is closer to it than most realize. There's an increasing amount of renewable generation that goes to waste because otherwise it destabilizes the grid. However, if you put electrolyzers and energy storage systems nearby, much more of it could be put to use and stored. Here's some of the latest news related to this:

https://www.smart-energy.com/industry-sectors/distributed-generation/nsw-announces-first-hydrogen-storage-new-solar-storage-plants/
 (https://www.smart-energy.com/industry-sectors/distributed-generation/nsw-announces-first-hydrogen-storage-new-solar-storage-plants/)https://www.h2-view.com/story/australia-wants-to-produce-hydrogen-under-2-per-kg/
 (https://www.h2-view.com/story/australia-wants-to-produce-hydrogen-under-2-per-kg/)https://www.forbes.com/sites/dipkabhambhani/2020/03/20/could-sinking-oil-prices-open-door-for-green-hydrogen-some-hope/#398916ac3b6e (https://www.forbes.com/sites/dipkabhambhani/2020/03/20/could-sinking-oil-prices-open-door-for-green-hydrogen-some-hope/#398916ac3b6e)

Once this all gets depoliticized in (hopefully / presumably) 2021 and beyond, most people will realize this is the way of the future.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 24, 2020, 07:51:11 AM
This is the wrong thread for energy discussion. C'mon.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 24, 2020, 08:23:08 AM
Milwaukee's Summerfest has been postponed from June/July to September. Hopefully it's not cancelled completely.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 24, 2020, 10:08:51 AM
We will send police. With flame-throwers': Italian mayors lose it at people refusing to self isolate

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/we-will-send-police-with-flame-throwers-italian-mayors-lose-it-at-people-refusing-to-self-isolate (https://nationalpost.com/news/world/we-will-send-police-with-flame-throwers-italian-mayors-lose-it-at-people-refusing-to-self-isolate)

Italian soldiers patrol downtown Milan, Italy, Sunday, March 22, 2020. Italian Premier Giuseppe Conte has told the nation he is tightening the lockdown to fight the rampaging spread of coronavirus, shutting down all production facilities except those that are “necessary, crucial, indispensable to guarantee” the good of the country
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 24, 2020, 10:10:40 AM
https://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-news/breaking-atlanta-mayor-signs-day-stay-home-order-due-coronavirus-pandemic/HpYoORZDNNqdIWc3QfKWwK/?fbclid=IwAR0AoKAz00LqQYSW7jaE02FCo9ns-4EnuK8js0f3xQXHE_jJ23WkBjoev24 (https://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-news/breaking-atlanta-mayor-signs-day-stay-home-order-due-coronavirus-pandemic/HpYoORZDNNqdIWc3QfKWwK/?fbclid=IwAR0AoKAz00LqQYSW7jaE02FCo9ns-4EnuK8js0f3xQXHE_jJ23WkBjoev24)

We are officially shut down, but this was already a reality anyway.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 24, 2020, 10:54:07 AM
I was watching the news early today and the story of that princess came up. 17 days later, workers found evidence of the virus living on hard surfaces. 17 days.


Whoever designed this virus is really good at it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 24, 2020, 11:17:02 AM
This is the wrong thread for energy discussion. C'mon.
Congress evidently was doing sumsuch - while voting down the stimulus package - according to C-Span.They should give these douche nozzles time in Leavenworth or Lucasville.Insider trading fucks should be fitted for rope
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 24, 2020, 11:33:24 AM
https://atlanta.curbed.com/atlanta-photo-essays/2020/1/30/21115532/atlanta-skyline-drone-photos-downtown-west-midtown?fbclid=IwAR1K8UKO1CQam8LJFU_ZX1Zrjh2XN_ffDA_BpVxPR6FkkR-U8bVcxTOB_0I (https://atlanta.curbed.com/atlanta-photo-essays/2020/1/30/21115532/atlanta-skyline-drone-photos-downtown-west-midtown?fbclid=IwAR1K8UKO1CQam8LJFU_ZX1Zrjh2XN_ffDA_BpVxPR6FkkR-U8bVcxTOB_0I)

Some pretty photos of the ATL with almost no traffic from a couple days back.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 24, 2020, 11:53:38 AM
Of course this stupid institution does this: https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/thousands-of-liberty-students-expected-to-return-to-campus-amid/article_a7b91be3-217a-598e-a367-34950271e6c6.html (https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/thousands-of-liberty-students-expected-to-return-to-campus-amid/article_a7b91be3-217a-598e-a367-34950271e6c6.html)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 24, 2020, 12:01:49 PM
IDIOTS
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: CWSooner on March 24, 2020, 12:50:26 PM
Local vodka distiller Tito's has converted some of its manufacturing to hand sanitizer and is delivering 24 tons of the stuff, for free.  They're also donating $2M to CV relief efforts.

https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/titos-handmade-hand-sanitizer/ (https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/titos-handmade-hand-sanitizer/)

Just a great company that's always been great to the community, going back 20 years when I was their first (and only) charitable tailgate party.  These days, they sponsor scores and perhaps even hundreds of them.
Local distillers here are doing much the same.  Good for them!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 24, 2020, 12:52:20 PM
Congress evidently was doing sumsuch - while voting down the stimulus package - according to C-Span.They should give these douche nozzles time in Leavenworth or Lucasville.Insider trading fucks should be fitted for rope
this is also NOT the thread for politics!

where's my flamethrower!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 24, 2020, 01:42:30 PM

where's my flamethrower!
Save it for the insiders
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: ELA on March 24, 2020, 02:11:19 PM
this is also NOT the thread for politics!

where's my flamethrower!
Lets use all the stimulus money on flamethrowers for all, then let the chips fall where they may!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on March 24, 2020, 02:16:51 PM
I was watching the news early today and the story of that princess came up. 17 days later, workers found evidence of the virus living on hard surfaces. 17 days.


Whoever designed this virus is really good at it.
We mess with mother nature long enough, eventually she'll come after us. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 24, 2020, 02:19:54 PM
So we should remove all dams and levees then. Ugh...
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 24, 2020, 02:28:10 PM
Lets use all the stimulus money on flamethrowers for all, then let the chips fall where they may!
I'm gonna get me one o' them flamethrower DRONES.  Then I can practice proper social distancing whilst laying waste to mine enemies.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 24, 2020, 02:51:41 PM
I started watching "Almost Human" which is a cop show set in 2048 (which is odd because the cops are driving gasoline powered 2018 Fords).  Anyway, they use a lot of drones.  They have a combination of insane android technology and almost nothing very updated otherwise.  Lila from Friday Night Lights is in it, still looking pretty good.

We walked in the park today amidst some weather later.  Not many folks out today.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 24, 2020, 02:55:32 PM
We too live across from a park - Town Square it's called.

The only people are see are being walked around by hairy naked men, on leashes.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MarqHusker on March 24, 2020, 02:57:53 PM
Our company is being sold, to close next week, the movers deemed non essential have said they cant move our stuff the four blocks we are moving.  Great.  Now dealing w federal regulators to tell them we won't be in compliance w federal laws because State Law won't let us do what is required (maintaining continuous ownership of records) .

Where's that flamethrower. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 24, 2020, 03:20:53 PM
Maybe call a lawyer to help you?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Entropy on March 24, 2020, 03:32:27 PM
We told our cleaning service (one person owns it has her daughter help) not to come to our house tomorrow, but we'd still send her the money.   She started crying thanking my wife.   We talk about food industry being hit, but a lot of service businesses are being crushed.   
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 24, 2020, 03:36:53 PM
Yeah, we did the same.  We have them come every two weeks.  They are not allowed in the building now.  I think the folks who run the building are making good choices so far.  They have even waived penalties for anyone unable to pay the HOA.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Entropy on March 24, 2020, 03:45:46 PM
We decided to pay everyone as if life was normal.   
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 24, 2020, 03:50:48 PM
https://atlanta.eater.com/maps/restaurant-markets-neighorhood-groceries-atlanta-covid-19 (https://atlanta.eater.com/maps/restaurant-markets-neighorhood-groceries-atlanta-covid-19)

I imagine this is wide spread.

Some restaurants have gone one step beyond delivery and takeout, transforming dining rooms into temporary neighborhood markets and food pantries.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 24, 2020, 03:51:18 PM
Haircuts, pedicure, massage... All of that is shut down.

My wife is not good at any of them either. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 24, 2020, 03:52:04 PM
https://atlanta.eater.com/maps/restaurant-markets-neighorhood-groceries-atlanta-covid-19 (https://atlanta.eater.com/maps/restaurant-markets-neighorhood-groceries-atlanta-covid-19)

I imagine this is wide spread.

Some restaurants have gone one step beyond delivery and takeout, transforming dining rooms into temporary neighborhood markets and food pantries.
We are seeing some of that. They are still getting supplies and they need to sell them if they cannot use them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MarqHusker on March 24, 2020, 04:49:03 PM
Our neighborhood bar is gifting a roll of TP with each family dinner take out order.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MarqHusker on March 24, 2020, 04:50:33 PM
My wife ordered her hair coloring materials a couple weeks ago.   

Priorities!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 24, 2020, 08:42:07 PM
We told our cleaning service (one person owns it has her daughter help) not to come to our house tomorrow, but we'd still send her the money.  She started crying thanking my wife.  We talk about food industry being hit, but a lot of service businesses are being crushed. 
Send her to WV.  The two ladies who clean for us told us “until all this is over” (whenever the hell that will be) they feel like they should stay away for a little while.  Despite the fact that I’m home now I’m still busy enough with useless busy work from the company, helping the kids with school work, grocery shopping, and cooking that keeping the house clean is a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MarqHusker on March 24, 2020, 08:52:16 PM
We kept our crew.  They were pleased to come, but also get why some are bailing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 24, 2020, 08:55:53 PM
Mrs. 847 does not cut hair. She does not do pedicures. She does not do massage.

She cleans the F out of a house. No need for a house cleaner here. 

The other stuff, yeah... This stuff I need.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 24, 2020, 09:31:35 PM
Haircuts, pedicure, massage... All of that is shut down.

My wife is not good at any of them either.
soon you will be a hairy man, hopefully not naked
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 24, 2020, 09:34:42 PM
soon you will be a hairy man, hopefully not naked
Or licking my ass.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 24, 2020, 09:35:33 PM
only because you're not able
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 24, 2020, 09:44:26 PM
uhhhhhhh

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 24, 2020, 09:49:58 PM
uhhhhhhh


Yeah.. yuck.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 24, 2020, 10:02:53 PM
I didn't bring it up, I merely stirred it a wee bit
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: longhorn320 on March 24, 2020, 10:43:13 PM
When you have attained the dont give a shit zone as I have

the length of your hair means nothing
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 24, 2020, 11:38:31 PM
Hippy!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 25, 2020, 08:17:57 AM
Just back from Kroger, went during "senior hour", which wasn't really being enforced, the security guard showed up as I was leaving.  They were at about 85% stockage, even some TP was present, not much left.  No quotas.  Bread was in short supply was enough was there for an hour or so.  Eggs were there.  Veggies aplenty.  Dried beans were rare.  Plenty of canned goods.  Ground beef was low.




Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: longhorn320 on March 25, 2020, 09:13:07 AM
Hippy!
I prefer mountain man
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 25, 2020, 12:16:44 PM





Consider doing this to keep busy


https://www.youtube.com/embed/HyuE1XnY (https://www.youtube.com/embed/HyuE1XnYO0I)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 25, 2020, 12:22:34 PM
I am dong at least 100 push ups in three sets each day, and we walk if the weather is nice (which it is).  Our building gym is closed, I doubt anyone was using it anyway.  Our party area is closed.  The front desk has a stay back 6 feet sign on it.  Our janitor who is outstanding is really making a great effort.  I rarely see someone as diligent and hard working as he is when no one is looking.

There is a guy at Kroger servicing the self checkout lanes who is in a wheel chair missing two legs.  I told him today how his cheerfulness was much appreciated when we visit, we always speak to him.  He said "I'm a retired civil engineer, I just enjoy helping people.", which he does, 74 years old, in a wheel chair, working at Kroger.

We should remember people like that instead of the goofs.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 25, 2020, 01:09:52 PM
If he wants to un-retire, we're hiring good people who are also civil engineers.

I'll be starting that Florida office by this time next year.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 25, 2020, 02:24:50 PM
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/who-launches-global-megatrial-four-most-promising-coronavirus-treatments?fbclid=IwAR2aurRn-y5wJxOXj8g45rYsbLV5Q7hr_Sg3MnW5Oq2s3iCTKcKl7ELDsRU (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/who-launches-global-megatrial-four-most-promising-coronavirus-treatments?fbclid=IwAR2aurRn-y5wJxOXj8g45rYsbLV5Q7hr_Sg3MnW5Oq2s3iCTKcKl7ELDsRU)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 25, 2020, 02:30:09 PM
If he wants to un-retire, we're hiring good people who are also civil engineers.

I'll be starting that Florida office by this time next year.
Where in Florida you headed, again?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 25, 2020, 02:32:47 PM
Everglades
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 25, 2020, 02:39:38 PM
Where in Florida you headed, again?
Burnt Store Marina. Gulf side, away from the New Yorkers...
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 25, 2020, 02:48:26 PM
Burnt Store Marina. Gulf side, away from the New Yorkers...
Strange name... :)


Looks nice on the intergooglez though.  Maybe I'll come visit.  Save some amberjack for me!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 25, 2020, 03:47:31 PM
They call it Burnt Store because back in the day there was a trading post at that location. It was a natural harbor spot.

The store manager screwed some Indian traders and they returned that night and burned the store down.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 25, 2020, 03:50:35 PM
Park was crowded today, people still in small groups though, beautiful day.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Entropy on March 25, 2020, 04:00:28 PM

We've been ordering supplies/items from Amazon instead of going to stores.  Yesterday I picked up a box that felt really light and then noticed someone took a box cutter to the tape, opened it and removed all the contents.  This was not done at our doorstep, but rather at the FedEx facility.  I was outside with my son when delivered and asked that he set them on the porch while we finished playing horse.    FedEx has been.... well... extremely unresponsive and nonchalant about the event.  The Amazon seller is resending without issues.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 25, 2020, 04:58:31 PM
I'm told the stores around here are starting to catch up. I guess the hoarders are about done.

Mrs. 847 was able to get essentials today.

Looks like certain vitamins are running low (C in particular). I understand why. We always have EmergenC on hand, as well as Airborne. Good stuff.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 25, 2020, 05:48:49 PM
I have a notion the distinctive features of this virus are that it survives on hard surfaces a long time and the infected are asymptomatic for quite a few days often as not.  That makes it ideal for a pandemic.

The most serious aspect of the illness seems to be shortness of breath, which for any with respiratory issues is quite serious.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 25, 2020, 06:37:53 PM
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-chicago-lakefront-arwady-lightfoot-20200325-feqjcndbmzebrctivt7r4trp3u-story.html

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 25, 2020, 06:43:36 PM
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-chicago-lakefront-arwady-lightfoot-20200325-feqjcndbmzebrctivt7r4trp3u-story.html
One of the things that I love about America is our healthy disregard for authority. It's kinda what started us off as a country, after all...

But I think there are a lot of dumbasses that are going to make this whole situation worse for NO reason, because they're just determined to be idiots.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 25, 2020, 06:56:45 PM
Yep.

(https://c.tadst.com/gfx/750w/st-patricks-day-global2.jpg)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 25, 2020, 07:05:20 PM
Oh yeah, I heard that they'd canceled the St Patrick's Day parade in Chicago.

My first thought was "well that ain't gonna stop 'em all from getting piss-drunk together."

And I was right.

I know my city, even if I don't live there any more...
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 25, 2020, 07:17:05 PM
I told a friend in NOLA not to go out last month, but she did...they all did....and Louisiana had the fastest spread in the world for a time.  DUHHHHH.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 25, 2020, 07:34:09 PM
Oh yeah, I heard that they'd canceled the St Patrick's Day parade in Chicago.

My first thought was "well that ain't gonna stop 'em all from getting piss-drunk together."

And I was right.

I know my city, even if I don't live there any more...
Parade cancelled. Bars open. Packed. Next day governor shuts down bars. Two days later election held.


Only in Chicago.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 25, 2020, 07:40:51 PM
Parade cancelled. Bars open. Packed. Next day governor shuts down bars. Two days later election held.


Only in Chicago.
Hey, they're known for the dead voting in Chicago.

Why not the very soon to be dead?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 25, 2020, 08:32:43 PM
Hey, they're known for the dead voting in Chicago.

Why not the very soon to be dead?
THE BOSS LIVES!!!


And, as Rham would say.. 


Wrong board.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 25, 2020, 08:34:55 PM
THE BOSS LIVES!!!


And, as Rham would say..


Wrong board.
I think I voted Daley this year.

I haven't lived in Illinois for 20 years now, and I don't believe I filled out a ballot for Daley... But that doesn't mean my vote doesn't count... Right?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: GopherRock on March 25, 2020, 08:43:48 PM
One of the things that I love about America is our healthy disregard for authority. It's kinda what started us off as a country, after all...

But I think there are a lot of dumbasses that are going to make this whole situation worse for NO reason, because they're just determined to be idiots.
That's who the governor of Minnesota was talking to this afternoon: those who don't think it can happen to them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 25, 2020, 09:19:41 PM
(https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/495/700/9700495.jpg)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 25, 2020, 09:49:52 PM
That's who the governor of Minnesota was talking to this afternoon: those who don't think it can happen to them.
Like THESE idiots that did the "Corona Virus Challenge" and licked public facilities... allegedly one of them is now positive.  Which surprises no one.

(https://i2.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/comp-1585143206.png?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=480%2C270&ssl=1)

(https://i2.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/clout-13b3.png?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=265%2C431&ssl=1)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 25, 2020, 10:07:35 PM
I wish they'd caught something else... 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: CWSooner on March 25, 2020, 10:22:55 PM
Yep.

(https://c.tadst.com/gfx/750w/st-patricks-day-global2.jpg)
The wisdom of youth and the senility of old age captured in one pic.  Impressive!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 25, 2020, 11:34:24 PM
alcohol is to blame, obviously
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 26, 2020, 08:03:56 AM
Of course. They all went out so they could sober up together.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 26, 2020, 08:12:26 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/will-the-2020-college-football-season-be-canceled-coaches-ads-weigh-possibility-and-impact/


My favorite part, from Florida's AD:


"I saw somebody said, 'If you threatened college football season, everybody in the South would lock themselves in their house for two weeks to get it over with,'" Stricklin said. "I kind of feel like we're not far from that. I think people are really taking it seriously."
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 26, 2020, 08:46:10 AM
Folks around here are playing by the rules because the Mayor threatened to close the parks and the beltline.  The park was crowded yesterday, but people were maintain small groups (which they generally do anyway in reality).

The wife was worried about getting sweat from some sweaty jogger.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 26, 2020, 09:20:01 AM
https://atlanta.curbed.com/2020/3/24/21191905/coronavirus-atlanta-good-news-covid-19-atlanta?fbclid=IwAR0zcgRe3j9NJ2ProjsCyzUyE21mGPkm5c6y2LRBuICEb1tCWpdm3h4eOXw (https://atlanta.curbed.com/2020/3/24/21191905/coronavirus-atlanta-good-news-covid-19-atlanta?fbclid=IwAR0zcgRe3j9NJ2ProjsCyzUyE21mGPkm5c6y2LRBuICEb1tCWpdm3h4eOXw)

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 26, 2020, 10:09:44 AM
Folks around here are playing by the rules because the Mayor threatened to close the parks and the beltline.  The park was crowded yesterday, but people were maintain small groups (which they generally do anyway in reality).

The wife was worried about getting sweat from some sweaty jogger.
Here in my suburb, the city council closed all city and hoa parks.  I've been running through every park within about 5 miles of my house for the past 2 weeks, every single day, sometimes 2x or 3x per day, and not once have I seen any evidence of "congregating."

This was a solution in search of a problem.  Crap like that isn't going to help, it'll work in the opposite direction, driving people even further stir-crazy than they already are.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 26, 2020, 10:31:04 AM
Here in my suburb, the city council closed all city and hoa parks.  I've been running through every park within about 5 miles of my house for the past 2 weeks, every single day, sometimes 2x or 3x per day, and not once have I seen any evidence of "congregating."

This was a solution in search of a problem.  Crap like that isn't going to help, it'll work in the opposite direction, driving people even further stir-crazy than they already are.
Seriously,e-mail/write your councilman and tell him that.Their cure could become a curse
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 26, 2020, 11:32:49 AM
In not good news, I read Atlanta hospitals are not maxed out on ICU capacity.  The regular flu should be easing up now, but of course there are still strokes and coronaries, probably many fewer bad traffic accidents.

MARTA is in a bad way because hardly anyone is riding for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 26, 2020, 11:50:39 AM
We're handing out all of our reading series materials and consumables if families come by the school.  We're getting a new reading series next school year.  Most won't come get it, but it's A LOT of great grade-level specific materials they could keep.  Sigh.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on March 26, 2020, 04:06:49 PM
Oh yeah, I heard that they'd canceled the St Patrick's Day parade in Chicago.

My first thought was "well that ain't gonna stop 'em all from getting piss-drunk together."

And I was right.

I know my city, even if I don't live there any more...
I'm not from Chicago but I was there with my wife a few years ago for the St. Patrick's Day Parade (in town for BTT).  We saw the parade and the river turned green and when I saw this, I thought the same thing.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 26, 2020, 04:13:54 PM
They didn't do the river this year.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 26, 2020, 04:44:05 PM
Zoonose is my word for the day.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 26, 2020, 05:01:40 PM
Mine is bioweapon.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 26, 2020, 05:03:07 PM
They didn't do the river this year.
I feel safer
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 26, 2020, 05:04:02 PM
Zoonose is my word for the day.
mine is Amboy
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 26, 2020, 06:20:32 PM
I'm not from Chicago but I was there with my wife a few years ago for the St. Patrick's Day Parade (in town for BTT).  We saw the parade and the river turned green and when I saw this, I thought the same thing. 
They didn't do the river this year.
The river is always green.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 26, 2020, 06:36:50 PM
Brown. 

It's brown!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 26, 2020, 06:40:39 PM
Well, I'm colorblind. Green, brown, it's all the same to me...

I still maintain that the most Chicago thing ever is recognizing that your river is polluting your lake, and instead of fixing the pollution problems, you just decide to pump it the opposite direction so downstate can deal with it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 26, 2020, 06:51:55 PM
Ahhhh, so THAT's the Chicago way?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 26, 2020, 06:53:25 PM
J. B. Pritzker is a genius 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 26, 2020, 06:57:06 PM
Just ask him. Then you will know for sure.


Ask him about toilets while yer at it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 26, 2020, 06:58:00 PM
Licking public toilets?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 26, 2020, 07:18:39 PM
So I just read that the US now leads the world in confirmed cases. 

CCP lies, so I don't believe that for a minute second.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 26, 2020, 07:23:50 PM
So I just read that the US now leads the world in confirmed cases.

CCP lies, so I don't believe that for a minute second.
Yep. I don't trust the China numbers as remotely plausible. 

But hey, we're #1!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 26, 2020, 07:50:34 PM
China's numbers are complete crap.  

The rest of the world could really use their help in communicating real data from the virus that started in their country, and they're hell-bent on trying to look good and displaying to The West that they are "better" than us.

Fuck those assholes.  It makes me ragey.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 26, 2020, 07:52:09 PM
Well, I'm colorblind. Green, brown, it's all the same to me...
Traffic Lights ?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 26, 2020, 07:57:26 PM
mine is Amboy
As in the Amboy Dukes(Ted Nugent)?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 26, 2020, 07:58:53 PM
China's numbers are complete crap. 

The rest of the world could really use their help in communicating real data from the virus that started in their country, and they're hell-bent on trying to look good and displaying to The West that they are "better" than us.

Fuck those assholes.  It makes me ragey.

Lighten up round eyes 👀
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 26, 2020, 08:12:40 PM
As in the Amboy Dukes(Ted Nugent)?
how'd you know?

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 26, 2020, 08:30:19 PM
China's numbers are complete crap. 

The rest of the world could really use their help in communicating real data from the virus that started in their country, and they're hell-bent on trying to look good and displaying to The West that they are "better" than us.

Fuck those assholes.  It makes me ragey.

Preach on, my brother.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 26, 2020, 08:34:54 PM
Traffic Lights ?
Red looks red. Yellow looks yellow. Green looks white. Basically I can't distinguish a green light from a street light except by shape/context. 

Somehow I'm still alive.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 26, 2020, 09:32:59 PM
Colorblindness has always fascinated me.  And I believe it's supposed to be pretty common among males?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 26, 2020, 09:59:17 PM
Red looks red. Yellow looks yellow. Green looks white. Basically I can't distinguish a green light from a street light except by shape/context.

Somehow I'm still alive.
I have the problem too. Remember in Chicago when the lights used to be horizontal? Heh. 


I played Russian Roulette a few times.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 26, 2020, 10:01:24 PM
Lakefront, beaches and most parks are now closed in The City.


People out playing football and basketball sealed the deal. Asshats abound.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 26, 2020, 10:11:05 PM
Colorblindness has always fascinated me.  And I believe it's supposed to be pretty common among males?

it's common here
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 26, 2020, 11:39:21 PM
Colorblindness has always fascinated me.  And I believe it's supposed to be pretty common among males?

Blonde, brunette, redhead....
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 26, 2020, 11:48:03 PM
Blonde, brunette, redhead....
Ha!  Indeed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2020, 06:19:46 AM
You can't pass a flight medical exam if you are colorblind, interestingly enough.  You also can't be diabetic (they may have modified that rule).

This is a Class III, the lowest class.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2020, 07:19:29 AM
Interestingly enough, I've gotten better over the years. I was able to pass the coast guard exam for my license 10 years ago. 

Could not have done that 30 years ago.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 27, 2020, 08:35:22 AM
how'd you know?

Come along if you care

Come along if you dare
Take a ride to the land inside of your mind
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2020, 08:36:49 AM
https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894
This post is under investigation... link says that. At least for me.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Honestbuckeye on March 27, 2020, 08:38:42 AM
I have tried a dozen different ways to attach it.  It’s not working🤨

I will keep trying
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 27, 2020, 08:51:45 AM
You can't pass a flight medical exam if you are colorblind, interestingly enough.  You also can't be diabetic (they may have modified that rule).

This is a Class III, the lowest class.
A friend years back entered USAF flight school in Del Rio Texas.He was almost disqualified for a slight acne problem.Fortunately this seemed to be a thing and it was corrected by some dermatologists
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 09:25:28 AM
my eyes were only one reason I'm not a pilot
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 27, 2020, 10:05:34 AM
I'm sure Trans-Debris Airlines would be more than happy to have you
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Riffraft on March 27, 2020, 10:29:10 AM
Red looks red. Yellow looks yellow. Green looks white. Basically I can't distinguish a green light from a street light except by shape/context.

Somehow I'm still alive.
My father was red/green colorblind and worked as an electrician for years. In this day and age he would never get licensed. On really complicated wiring where there were multi colored/striped wires he would bring a piece how and go over again and again with my mom so he could identify the various wires by the "intensity" of the color. 

It was fun playing Uno with him. And we always had a good laugh when he picked out his own clothes instead of mom.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 27, 2020, 10:31:01 AM
Colorblindness has always fascinated me.  And I believe it's supposed to be pretty common among males?

Not "pretty common" among males, but extremely rare among females.

It's a recessive gene on the X chromosome. So for a woman (two X chromosomes) to be colorblind, she has to have a colorblind father, and a mother who is either a carrier for colorblindness (50% chance daughter becomes colorblind) or who is colorblind (100% chance daughter becomes colorblind).

But since men only have one X chromosome, and there is no corresponding gene on the Y chromosome, all it takes is to be male and your mother be a carrier of the gene to have a 50% chance that you'd be colorblind yourself.

It also means that I didn't pass any colorblindness to my two sons, but my daughter is definitely a carrier of the gene. 

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Riffraft on March 27, 2020, 10:31:28 AM
Colorblindness has always fascinated me.  And I believe it's supposed to be pretty common among males?

Most colorblindness is past on through from father to Daughter (Carrier) to son.

So my father was colorbind and my sister's two boys are both colorblind.  None of my sons nor my brother's sons are colorblind.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Riffraft on March 27, 2020, 10:35:37 AM
my eyes were only one reason I'm not a pilot

I had an appointment to West Point, 2 weeks before I was suppose to leave for boot camp, I was disqualified because of my eyesight. I am extremely myopic (-14.75 diopters). 

I thought after I received the nomination and then the appointment that I had received a waiver for my eyesight. I figure at the last moment some big mucky-muck wanted his kid to get in at the last moment and they found me who they could disqualify because of my eyesight. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 27, 2020, 10:35:44 AM
My father was red/green colorblind and worked as an electrician for years. In this day and age he would never get licensed. On really complicated wiring where there were multi colored/striped wires he would bring a piece how and go over again and again with my mom so he could identify the various wires by the "intensity" of the color.

It was fun playing Uno with him. And we always had a good laugh when he picked out his own clothes instead of mom.
I'm an electrical engineer. Resistors have their resistance value identified by colored stripes. 

I had trouble with that in college, not because I didn't know the system, but because I'd have to ask people "what color is this?" in order to identify resistor values. 

I was so happy when I started dealing with surface mount resistors that have the value silkscreened into the top of them. 

I mostly avoid any issues with picking out my own clothes... Because everything I own is basically gray or blue or black, so it's pretty easy. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Honestbuckeye on March 27, 2020, 10:48:12 AM
I have tried a dozen different ways to attach it.  It’s not working🤨

I will keep
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/covid-19-evidence-over-hysteria


try again.   
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2020, 10:55:32 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/WA2weQt.png)

I think this is why pilots can't be color blind.  That thin red line is called "Never Exceed Speed".  I'm told bad things happen above that, like wings shearing off etc.  And you shouldn't be in the yellow in "turbulent conditions".
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 11:01:47 AM
I mostly avoid any issues with picking out my own clothes... Because everything I own is basically gray or blue or black, so it's pretty easy.
well, you live in Cali

that's all they wear
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 11:02:25 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/WA2weQt.png)

I think this is why pilots can't be color blind.  That thin red line is called "Never Exceed Speed".  I'm told bad things happen above that, like wings shearing off etc.  And you shouldn't be in the yellow in "turbulent conditions".
what red line?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 27, 2020, 11:42:09 AM
I'm an electrical engineer. Resistors have their resistance value identified by colored stripes.

I had trouble with that in college, not because I didn't know the system, but because I'd have to ask people "what color is this?" in order to identify resistor values.

I was so happy when I started dealing with surface mount resistors that have the value silkscreened into the top of them.

I mostly avoid any issues with picking out my own clothes... Because everything I own is basically gray or blue or black, so it's pretty easy.
Yup, can't imagine how troubling that would have been!

I still have and use the soldering station I bought for myself during those glorious old lab days.  EE321 and EE321K were the labs, if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2020, 01:39:54 PM
We are just back from a 4 mile walk mostly through the very nice residential area north of us.  The azaleas and dogwoods are in full bloom and they have a golf course which made me sad the Masters is delayed.  It won't be the same.  Glorious weather, I feel sorry for the local restaurants that have outdoor dining, which is most of them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Abba on March 27, 2020, 01:57:01 PM
what red line?

So outdated technology is why the colorblind can't fly?  Just digitize it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2020, 02:53:57 PM
Digital readouts would be a nightmare for pilots.  You don't want to look down and see 107 knots, you want to see where the needle is very quickly in relation to the various other gauges you need to read with a glance.  The position of the indicator is what you notice, not the specific airspeed or attitude or compass heading.  The frequencies on the radios and transponder are digital.  Even in "glass cockpits", they display analog style gauges for most things of importance.

You learn to scan the gauges in a specific T shape and you notice if something is "off" without having to read some digital output.  This is why nearly all cars went back to analog gauges even if they are LEDs.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 03:06:23 PM
many groups out on the golf course?

I played Tuesday afternoon here and plan to play Sunday afternoon

highs in the mid 50s
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2020, 03:08:21 PM
Maybe put further colorblind talk on the stream thread?


In other news, the governor closed all golf courses in Illinois.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 03:09:19 PM
brilliant!!!

for both statements
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 27, 2020, 03:58:08 PM
 This is why nearly all cars went back to analog gauges even if they are LEDs.

Yeah my instrument cluster is all LED but the speedo is analog.  It also has a middle section with dozens of readouts that you can cycle through, including adding in a digital numerical speedo, but any time I've done this, I find it very distracting and look at the analog gauge anyway.




Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 27, 2020, 03:59:59 PM
Oh, and in Corona news, apparently China has re-shut=down all its movie theaters once again.  They were starting to open up, but now are closing down again.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-china-orders-all-movie-theaters-to-close-again-2020-3 (https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-china-orders-all-movie-theaters-to-close-again-2020-3)

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 04:08:13 PM
Hollywood and Bollywood taking a hit
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2020, 04:22:57 PM
Governor Cuomo closed the "broad" definition of construction services today, which will probably trickle to other states. Like mine.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 27, 2020, 04:34:08 PM
Oh, and in Corona news, apparently China has re-shut=down all its movie theaters once again.  They were starting to open up, but now are closing down again.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-china-orders-all-movie-theaters-to-close-again-2020-3 (https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-china-orders-all-movie-theaters-to-close-again-2020-3)


I guarantee we do this 2-3 times after cases start to decrease.  Because people are even more allergic to statistics (and bell curves and math) than they are to the virus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 27, 2020, 04:38:11 PM
Oh, and in Corona news, apparently China has re-shut=down all its movie theaters once again.  They were starting to open up, but now are closing down again.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-china-orders-all-movie-theaters-to-close-again-2020-3 (https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-china-orders-all-movie-theaters-to-close-again-2020-3)
I've been watching all the numbers closely, and have been thinking that there's no way that the numbers coming out of China are remotely accurate. Even countries lauded for how well they're managing, countries with <10x the number of cases as China, have been reporting new daily case counts higher than China. 

Now, if the China numbers were accurate, there'd be no reason to order movie theater closures. If they're hiding the numbers, then closing the theaters makes perfect sense. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 27, 2020, 04:40:21 PM
I've been watching all the numbers closely, and have been thinking that there's no way that the numbers coming out of China are remotely accurate. Even countries lauded for how well they're managing, countries with <10x the number of cases as China, have been reporting new daily case counts higher than China.

Now, if the China numbers were accurate, there'd be no reason to order movie theater closures. If they're hiding the numbers, then closing the theaters makes perfect sense.
China's been lying out their ass all along.  As recently as 1/15 they were informing the rest of the world that it was not communicable from human-to-human, even though they were already in the midst of shutting major areas down as a result of the virus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2020, 04:47:30 PM
The combination of ability to stay "alive" for long periods on hard surfaces and for the contagious to show no symptoms for 5-11 days is the problem (or a lot of the problem).

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: CWSooner on March 27, 2020, 04:57:13 PM
You can't pass a flight medical exam if you are colorblind, interestingly enough.  You also can't be diabetic (they may have modified that rule).

This is a Class III, the lowest class.
When I was flying Apaches, we had a great young lieutenant come up diabetic on his annual flight physical.  He was permanently grounded.  He didn't want to transfer to another branch of the Army, so he received an honorable discharge.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2020, 05:05:11 PM
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Coronavirus-SEC-Commissioner-Greg-Sankey-confident-CFB-College-Football-season-starts-on-time-SEC-145460208/?fbclid=IwAR0C5Ow5UFvmpzlbo4BkmPjf4fR4I21ExbxlWnwAkDbweZca1gaFUBG1zCI (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Coronavirus-SEC-Commissioner-Greg-Sankey-confident-CFB-College-Football-season-starts-on-time-SEC-145460208/?fbclid=IwAR0C5Ow5UFvmpzlbo4BkmPjf4fR4I21ExbxlWnwAkDbweZca1gaFUBG1zCI)

“The focus is on beginning the football season labor day weekend like we’re accustomed to,” Sankey said. “I do think, my focus is on, how do we help our teams prepare so at some point we anticipate emerging from this stay at home, social distancing expectation. Our (leaders) will guide us through that so I don't think anyone really knows (when the coronavirus will end). There's all kinds of predictions.”

While Sankey seems confident the season will be unaffected, ESPN commentator and former Ohio State quarterback Kirk Herbstreit would be “shocked” if there were college football this Fall. (https://247sports.com/Article/Kirk-Herbstreit-would-be-shocked-if-college-football-happens-coronavirus-cancels-sports-COVID-19-145450010/)

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2020, 05:18:22 PM
I think Sankey is saying nothing here.  He's trying to intimate a feeling of optimism based on ... hope.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 27, 2020, 05:46:27 PM
@847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) you'll love this one...

https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status/1243309216930168834?s=20 (https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status/1243309216930168834?s=20)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2020, 06:11:06 PM
Thank you for posting coronavirus information in the coronavirus thread.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 06:56:27 PM
I found plenty of eggs this afternoon t the grocery, but still no toilet paper

I was most excited about finding the new Budweiser Nitro Reserve Gold
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 06:58:49 PM
I'll take the Budweiser Nitro Reserve Gold talk to the appropriate thread - see ya
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: GopherRock on March 27, 2020, 07:36:41 PM
Governor Cuomo closed the "broad" definition of construction services today, which will probably trickle to other states. Like mine.
Our regularly scheduled bid opening went as normal today. 

Walz's stay-at-home order starts tonight. You can already see the effects of the work-from-home edict on the automatic traffic counters. RTMC hasn't needed to turn the ramp meters on in a week. 

Minneapolis Parks has already closed a few parkways down by St Anthony Falls, with the idea being to give more space. I don't see a Chicago-style trail shutdown, but I've been surprised before. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2020, 08:05:00 PM
Just joined our nightly 8 PM applause on the balcony "tradition", one I'd like to be over soonish.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2020, 08:06:13 PM
Illannoy Tollway is losing its ass right now. Nobody is driving.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 08:34:08 PM
Just joined our nightly 8 PM applause on the balcony "tradition", one I'd like to be over soonish.
annoying
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 27, 2020, 11:57:36 PM
I doubt this happens, but it's an interesting thought.

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/college-football-season-move-up-july-report (https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/college-football-season-move-up-july-report)

Of course the SEC schools would be whining about how they have to play their games in extreme heat and humidity.....
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 08:23:56 AM
IF the virus abates this summer (which is by no means assured), I fear fall practice will start up and maybe two games are played and then it is shut down.

Polio virus was more active in the summer.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 28, 2020, 08:35:52 AM
We're virtually guaranteed of opening things back up too early - having the virus flare up again, and basically delaying normalcy another 2 months or so.  
Watch it happen.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 08:53:13 AM
The shut down orders have come from mayors and governors, so only they can reverse that decision.  Obviously, NYC is in no shape to open up any time soon.  I doubt any large city will.  Albany, GA is a hot spot as a small city.  Few people will be willing to fly obviously even if the planes are nearly empty.

I think that hand washing is perhaps the most critical step.  A friend who is a nurse practitioner posted an interesting piece about how wearing gloves can be bad if you are not trained in the protocol.  I worry a lot about our health care workers coming down with this in larger numbers.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 28, 2020, 09:11:55 AM
My hands are really dry right now.

The Mayor of Chicago is thinking this will peak here mid-April or so. We're not going to be out of the woods until June, most likely, maybe July.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 09:24:46 AM
hand washing is great, but only if you also disinfect your cell phone each time you wash your hands
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 28, 2020, 09:36:09 AM
I've made bleach wipes for the car - wheel,shifter,door latches also for house doors when I enter.Trying to get in the habit of everytime,but I haven't head out alot either
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 09:47:40 AM
a squirt gun full of clorox should be on your hip at all times
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 10:09:37 AM
damn, was scrolling thru the TV guide, encouraged to see, "The Longest Yard" on TBS

disappointed to find out it's the 2005 version with Adam Sandler

he's no Burt Reynolds
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 28, 2020, 10:33:16 AM
Not sure the summer will stop this. It's spreading fine in Malaysia right now. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 10:37:23 AM
Mel Gibson got it in Australia - during the summer 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 11:13:05 AM
The wife just told me our daughter in France (mother of four boys) has it, which means her husband will get it for sure.  Their son is the one who had open heart surgery in January.  He should be OK by now, I hope, and of course we can't get over there to help this time.

We'd probably get it and make things worse.  So that's two in my immediate family.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 28, 2020, 11:27:41 AM
Sorry to hear, @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) -- best wishes to you and your family. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 11:30:32 AM
good luck and God Bless
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 28, 2020, 11:36:36 AM
Prayers for you and yours, CD.  Very sorry to hear this, pls keep us posted.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 28, 2020, 11:38:40 AM
All the best to your family, CDawg.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: CWSooner on March 28, 2020, 11:46:21 AM
Best wishes to you and your loved ones, CD.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 12:33:23 PM
 friend just called, wondering about video conferencing a group of us can use to host a virtual get together.  Probably should ask my daughters, but thought I'd throw it out here for recommendations.

I've heard of an App called Houseparty

anything else out there?  Maybe something you've used for business?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 28, 2020, 12:36:19 PM
Speakeasy
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 28, 2020, 12:37:38 PM
a squirt gun full of clorox should be on your hip at all times
Corona won't killz me - clorox perhaps
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 28, 2020, 12:39:09 PM
Prayers for you and yours, CD.  Very sorry to hear this, pls keep us posted.
THIS
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 12:40:34 PM
Speakeasy
says its an app for interpreters and cost $$$
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 12:44:20 PM
found the conference call speakeasy - pricing options as well

I'm a cheap ass if ya hadn't noticed
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 12:53:09 PM
Just back from a walk.  One of our favorite restaurants is now doing curbside by pastries, wine, and coffee only.  WE'll order a cheesecake at 5 PM.  The largest hotel nearabouts is totally closed down.  We talked to the guy in front a bit.  

https://www.fourseasons.com/atlanta/ (https://www.fourseasons.com/atlanta/)

Construction if continuing.  Nothing else is open.  Museum, symphony, playhouse of course all shuttered.  MARTA is dying for lack of revenue.  Whole Foods is open.  I can't imagine the economic cost of this right now.  $2 trillion is not going to touch it.

I should stay in the park, it's too depressing to walk about town and see the devastation.  And the weather is perfect again today.



Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 28, 2020, 12:54:32 PM
I'm a cheap ass if ya hadn't noticed
Nope - too many greedy knobs
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 28, 2020, 01:02:14 PM
We're using Zoom to do a virtual dock party tonight.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 28, 2020, 01:13:41 PM
Just wait until the Jehovah's Witnesses find out we're all home

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 28, 2020, 01:15:52 PM
Yeah I did a ZOOM happy hour with friends from Austin and San Diego yesterday afternoon.  It was good to see/hear from several of them.  Also a little sad and depressing.  But more happy than sad.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 01:20:43 PM
thanks, I'll give Zoom a try
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 28, 2020, 01:20:58 PM
I'm sorry CD, I hope they'll be okay.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 28, 2020, 01:30:22 PM
Just wait until the Jehovah's Witnesses find out we're all home


Now that's funny. I don't care who you are.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 28, 2020, 01:37:05 PM
We've used Skype. I've used Google Hangouts a long time ago, and found it pretty good. But haven't tried it for a few years.

I haven't really used Zoom personally, but it seems to be the "hot" app right now. That might be a downside though. I've noticed for work that Webex has been much more flaky lately, largely because I think the increase in traffic is overwhelming them. Zoom might have the same issue.

Picking a less trendy app might be a better option. Though that it's on a Saturday evening maybe will help somewhat. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 01:46:39 PM
options are good, Skype, Zoom, and HouseParty
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: ELA on March 28, 2020, 02:01:36 PM
We use Zoom and Go-to meeting for work, and I'm not a huge fan of either.  Left to our own, my small team has been using Google Hangouts with good results.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 28, 2020, 02:06:02 PM
In my experience there's not much difference between Google, Skype, and Zoom for personal use, even in the past few weeks. I just let other people decide which to use.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MarqHusker on March 28, 2020, 03:01:22 PM
We have web ex at work and use it a ton. I probably have had 10 web ex a day the past two weeks.  The best strategy in these times is to try and have off time meetings.    Start at quarters and 25s.  

We do mostly old school 3 and 4 ways and that remains foolproof. 

Web ex is very temperamental these past few weeks.

I have resorted to using Skype im which I'd swear I'd never use.   As a BD using im used to be forbidden as you couldn't reliably archive all messages, that's been figured out recently.  It's been useful on a small scale.  

Kids use zoom and facetime 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 03:15:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s49nfxStZXY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s49nfxStZXY)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 03:42:58 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/abbott-launches-5-minute-covid-19-test-for-use-almost-anywhere?fbclid=IwAR1h3aPTKtMWupAabZDFOKbM3S2xMwVC33Pp2SlNJ3a-rNt5s0f7nX9g0EQ (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/abbott-launches-5-minute-covid-19-test-for-use-almost-anywhere?fbclid=IwAR1h3aPTKtMWupAabZDFOKbM3S2xMwVC33Pp2SlNJ3a-rNt5s0f7nX9g0EQ)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 28, 2020, 03:49:55 PM
My very large computer manufacturing corporation used to be standardized on Skype, but is currently switching to Zoom.  Both are still currently supported, but Zoom is way more stable these days, which makes sense if the company is committing the majority of its infrastructure resources to the new platform.

We run all of it on our own servers, so increased usage from the rest of the world isn't our issue, but since so many more people are WFH within out own company, that's where the resources are being stretched thin.

Anyway, it's working well enough to get business done.

It's funny watching all of the "n00b" work-from-home folks attempting to set up video conferences, while all of the grizzled old veterans are all... "nah, I'm good, laptop camera is covered with duct tape anyway... ":)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 03:58:05 PM
good tip on the duct tape
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 28, 2020, 04:07:20 PM
good tip on the duct tape
I had to remove it last night for that virtual happy hour we did over Zoom.

Reminds me, I need to put it back on.  Don't want it randomly turning on in the middle of a conference call with my executive VP whilst I'm working from home in my Winnie the Pooh pajamas.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 28, 2020, 04:45:22 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/abbott-launches-5-minute-covid-19-test-for-use-almost-anywhere?fbclid=IwAR1h3aPTKtMWupAabZDFOKbM3S2xMwVC33Pp2SlNJ3a-rNt5s0f7nX9g0EQ (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/abbott-launches-5-minute-covid-19-test-for-use-almost-anywhere?fbclid=IwAR1h3aPTKtMWupAabZDFOKbM3S2xMwVC33Pp2SlNJ3a-rNt5s0f7nX9g0EQ)
This was on the news here last night.


Good company. I bought some of it last week. Long play, of course.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 28, 2020, 04:46:21 PM
My camera is covered too. My wife's is not. We'll use her machine for tonight.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 28, 2020, 04:54:49 PM
Reminds me, I need to put it back on.  Don't want it randomly turning on in the middle of a conference call with my executive VP whilst I'm working from home in my Winnie the Pooh pajamas.
Could be worse might catch you in Longhorn gear
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 05:13:56 PM
Winnie the Pooh pajamas are burnt orange
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 28, 2020, 07:20:31 PM
Could be worse might catch you in Longhorn gear
Both my executive VP, and his boss, the multi-billionaire founder/owner of my employer (which is named for him) are Longhorns, so that would be A-OK. :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 28, 2020, 07:23:21 PM
So Dell?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 28, 2020, 07:25:42 PM
So Dell?
I've never mentioned the name of the extremely large computer manufacturing corporation headquartered in Round Rock, Texas, that I work for. :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MarqHusker on March 28, 2020, 08:53:40 PM
My latest laptop issue has a slide tab which can block the camera.  Pretty nice addition and inconspicuous. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 28, 2020, 09:32:09 PM
Awesome dock party on Zoom tonight.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 28, 2020, 10:19:33 PM
I will say the one problem with Zoom is the free version limits you to 40 minutes. The other times I've used it I got a 10 minute warning, but tonight I didn't....
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 29, 2020, 12:31:24 PM
My latest laptop issue has a slide tab which can block the camera.  Pretty nice addition and inconspicuous.
was it manufactured by a corporation headquartered in Round Rock, Texas?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 29, 2020, 12:31:51 PM
I will say the one problem with Zoom is the free version limits you to 40 minutes. The other times I've used it I got a 10 minute warning, but tonight I didn't....
40 minutes?
that sucks
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 29, 2020, 01:15:29 PM
To extend it costs $15. Not a big deal.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 29, 2020, 01:24:10 PM
$15 each?

another 40 minutes?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 29, 2020, 01:32:17 PM
Anyone finding good sales online now that stores are floundering with brick and mortar shutdowns? 

My wife needed new pants and found them 55% off and free shipping. So I looked and my normal jeans were 33-50% marked down plus 20% on top of that at Gap. So I stocked up with 4 new pairs. 

I wonder if it's a good time to stock up on other things while they're artificially cheap... 

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 29, 2020, 01:33:13 PM
$15 each?

another 40 minutes?
$15 total, for unlimited time.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 29, 2020, 01:36:38 PM
sweet
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 29, 2020, 01:37:22 PM
There were 16 people total. So less than $1 each person. Well worth it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 29, 2020, 02:08:53 PM
I misspoke. It's $15/month, not $15 per meeting.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 29, 2020, 02:18:47 PM
even better
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 29, 2020, 02:30:49 PM
If this thing doesn't abate during summer (which is looking more dubious), CFB is the least of our worries.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 29, 2020, 05:01:23 PM
A friend sent me this

I told my wife how thankful I was to have someone I enjoyed be quarntined with......she said "it must be nice"
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 29, 2020, 05:06:09 PM
Anyone finding good sales online now that stores are floundering with brick and mortar shutdowns?
Fairly certain this virus started in China,makes ya wonder though if Jeff Bezos sponsered the lab.....or Bat
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 29, 2020, 07:58:42 PM
A friend sent me this

I told my wife how thankful I was to have someone I enjoyed be quarntined with......she said "it must be nice"
Ouch.  I am very blessed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 29, 2020, 09:33:30 PM
Fairly certain it was in jest
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 29, 2020, 09:58:55 PM
as far as you know.........
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 30, 2020, 06:42:48 AM
I ordered three pieces of cheesecake from our local favorite restaurant.  The manager added two more pieces to the order.  I chatted with him a bit, he says they are starting limited carry out main menu Monday, so we'll probably do that for dinner.  I gave the extra to our neighbors.  I try and avoid dessert, I was just trying to help, each slice is $9.50, it's really good stuff.

The manager was optimistic, I told him we'd do what we can to help out.  This is the guy who cooked up free meals for anyone in the industry on Thursday before the closed.  He was in the kitchen cooking and the staff had bags of meals for a long line outside.  I may try the new burger place for lunch.  Imagine opening into the middle of this mess.  I never heard of the place.

http://metroatlantaceo.com/news/2019/07/famous-sf-burger-spot-sams-expanding-atlanta/ (http://metroatlantaceo.com/news/2019/07/famous-sf-burger-spot-sams-expanding-atlanta/)

Sam’s is heading to ATL

Long-running North Beach burger spot Sam’s, praised by the late Anthony Bourdain as the home of a “top three” burger in the world, is opening a much larger location in Atlanta, Georgia. The unfussy late-night favorite for foodies and chefs at 618 Broadway will unveil a southern spinoff in a shiny new building in midtown Atlanta. “Sam’s of San Francisco will be a hybrid spinoff of what we currently have in San Fran,” co-owner Fadi El Shawa told What Now Atlanta (https://whatnowatlanta.com/sams-of-san-francisco-midtown/). He and brothers Hani and Emad have run the business sine the passing of their father, Mike “Sam” El Shawa, whose own uncle Sam opened the counter in 1966. Not only will the new Sam’s be bigger than the hole-in-the-wall original, it will feature a larger menu, with as many as 50 burgers and 100 sandwiches, and beer and wine from San Francisco and Napa for Atlantans to enjoy.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 30, 2020, 02:35:14 PM
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections (https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections)

Sobering charts therein for the US.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 30, 2020, 02:59:17 PM
Oil drops more than 6% to 18-year low as global demand evaporates

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 30, 2020, 03:05:36 PM
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections (https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections)

Sobering charts therein for the US.
And what's potentially worse about this? 


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The estimated excess demand on hospital systems is predicated on the enactment of social distancing measures in all states that have not done so already within the next week and maintenance of these measures throughout the epidemic, emphasizing the importance of implementing, enforcing, and maintaining these measures to mitigate hospital system overload and prevent deaths.

So this is assuming that the entire country actually gets on board with these measures.

I assume it's also predicated on compliance with social distancing measures, which as we've been discussing has not been nearly as strong as it should be. 

My neighbors had guests over every night this past weekend, and someone who I'm quite sure doesn't live there was hanging out with them in their garage. That's what you get for living near Raiders fans :96:
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 30, 2020, 03:07:44 PM
https://www.atlantamagazine.com/news-culture-articles/atlantas-latest-coronavirus-updates-wednesday-march-25/?fbclid=IwAR2z9tIDhu47kHfyjAgv9ohFSn42znfJCiKBmIatLWXlfZ-8FwDbiNTHSgA (https://www.atlantamagazine.com/news-culture-articles/atlantas-latest-coronavirus-updates-wednesday-march-25/?fbclid=IwAR2z9tIDhu47kHfyjAgv9ohFSn42znfJCiKBmIatLWXlfZ-8FwDbiNTHSgA)

In my area, I'd say everyone I see is actively maintaining distance.  We have not walked today but I went to Kroger.

The Waffle House Index is broken.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 30, 2020, 03:12:24 PM



https://www.cafeintermezzo.com/midtown-atl-ga (https://www.cafeintermezzo.com/midtown-atl-ga)

The manager has in interesting CV and life story, a geophysics degree.

Ahmet was surprised by the warm reception and patience displayed by those he met when he began studying at the University of Georgia. There, he worked as a dishwasher for the UGA dining hall system, and climbed his way up the chain at Damon’s Steakhouse, while learning English and completing grad school.


Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 30, 2020, 05:32:25 PM
So my mother in law has a situation with a few employees she is dealing with. She is running a successful small  family business that has been in business over 50 years now.

It’s a hardware store but they also do outside jobs such as install doors, windows, awnings, etc.  It isn’t shut down because it is considered an essential business.

They have 4 guys who do the outside work.  The unofficial leader of that group has been encouraging the others to tell my MIL how unsafe they feel.  He’s a long time employee but has been a royal PITA over the years on different issues. She has tried to be sympathetic but she is coming to work everyday as are the rest of the in-store employees. She told them they could use their vacation time but they didn’t want to do that. The in store employees have a lot more contact with the public than the outside guys. Anyway, none of the outside guys showed up for work today. They told her they weren’t quitting but didn’t feel safe working right now.

She called my wife looking for advice on how to handle it.  We told her to contact each of them and tell them they are open for business and she has work that needs to be done. If they don’t report for work tomorrow then she will work under the assumption they have voluntarily resigned and will fight any unemployment claims.  She’s a little more soft hearted than my wife though.  I’ll be interested to see what happens.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 30, 2020, 05:41:38 PM
So my mother in law has a situation with a few employees she is dealing with. She is running a successful small  family business that has been in business over 50 years now.

It’s a hardware store but they also do outside jobs such as install doors, windows, awnings, etc.  It isn’t shut down because it is considered an essential business.

They have 4 guys who do the outside work.  The unofficial leader of that group has been encouraging the others to tell my MIL how unsafe they feel.  He’s a long time employee but has been a royal PITA over the years on different issues. She has tried to be sympathetic but she is coming to work everyday as are the rest of the in-store employees. She told them they could use their vacation time but they didn’t want to do that. The in store employees have a lot more contact with the public than the outside guys. Anyway, none of the outside guys showed up for work today. They told her they weren’t quitting but didn’t feel safe working right now.

She called my wife looking for advice on how to handle it.  We told her to contact each of them and tell them they are open for business and she has work that needs to be done. If they don’t report for work tomorrow then she will work under the assumption they have voluntarily resigned and will fight any unemployment claims.  She’s a little more soft hearted than my wife though.  I’ll be interested to see what happens.
I don't think you can do that. This new CARE act might provide a way out. Need to talk to an attorney.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 30, 2020, 06:18:31 PM
I don't think you can do that. This new CARE act might provide a way out. Need to talk to an attorney.
Idk.  I’m certainly not an expert on the CARE act.  As I understand it part of the money to small businesses is to incentivize them not to lay off employees.  These guys are wanting to be laid off.  Between unemployment and the stimulus money coming their way I think they think they can weather the financial storm a while, get a little time off, and then come back to work.  I think that’s why they were careful to say they weren’t quitting.

Are they legitimately worried about their health?  Idk the real answer to that.  Knowing the ring leader a little I have my doubts about him. I think he’s an opportunist but I may be unfairly judging him.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 30, 2020, 06:31:22 PM
Idk.  I’m certainly not an expert on the CARE act.  As I understand it part of the money to small businesses is to incentivize them not to lay off employees.  These guys are wanting to be laid off.  Between unemployment and the stimulus money coming their way I think they think they can weather the financial storm a while, get a little time off, and then come back to work.  I think that’s why they were careful to say they weren’t quitting.

Are they legitimately worried about their health?  Idk the real answer to that.  Knowing the ring leader a little I have my doubts about him. I think he’s an opportunist but I may be unfairly judging him.
Yeah, but the key point you mention is her fighting the unemployment claims. That's where there'd be trouble. 

If she just agreed with them, laid them off (which is what they want given the stimulus), and they got their unemployment plus the extra money, they'd probably enjoy being "paid" without having to work. But she doesn't agree with them--she has plenty of work and is an essential business--so she doesn't want to lay them off. 

So if she's trying to terminate them for cause [absenteeism], she might be able to get away with it because her business has work available. But I don't know if there's anything in the law that protects an employee who is "afraid to come to work" in this environment. 

But I agree with @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) -- as a business owner I would HOPE she has a lawyer retained. This is one of those things she needs to ask her lawyer, not us. Because none of us bear the cost of being wrong, and she does. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 30, 2020, 06:46:28 PM
Yeah, but the key point you mention is her fighting the unemployment claims. That's where there'd be trouble.

If she just agreed with them, laid them off (which is what they want given the stimulus), and they got their unemployment plus the extra money, they'd probably enjoy being "paid" without having to work. But she doesn't agree with them--she has plenty of work and is an essential business--so she doesn't want to lay them off.

So if she's trying to terminate them for cause [absenteeism], she might be able to get away with it because her business has work available. But I don't know if there's anything in the law that protects an employee who is "afraid to come to work" in this environment.

But I agree with @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) -- as a business owner I would HOPE she has a lawyer retained. This is one of those things she needs to ask her lawyer, not us. Because none of us bear the cost of being wrong, and she does.
This.

I have 2 field guys (out of 8) who are refusing to go out, due to conditions they had. We asked for a doctor note for each and they did not provide. We told them they could use up their PTO and to hope that the Fed comes through with help for them (and probably us). Neither has resigned, nor have they provided any note. One is back to work.

The CARE act is too new for me (or anyone) to know WTF to do with it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Honestbuckeye on March 30, 2020, 07:33:50 PM
So, the county I live in has been fortunate so far, despite the fact that it is on the 95 corridor and filled with people from New York and New Jersey.

But the surrounding counties are shelter in place.  None of the northeasterners are paying any attention to it. Despite them being mostly older, and all the restaurants and businesses are closed, the roads are clogged and any business that is open ( gas station, car wash, grocery, convenience store) is jammed all day every day.

Went to the local golf course which is typically empty on Monday’s.  Tee times taken for two weeks, driving range was waiting list, and parking lot filled with New York and New Jersey plates.

Guys behind the counter in pro shop said virtually none of these people are from this county. They have not only bolted New York against the shelter in place, they freely leave the counties down here where they are supposed to stay.  Frustrating is an understatement.  Especially when they come from a place where they encourage illegal immigrants, shelter those who happen to be felons from ICE, have a Health Commissioner who openly and on camera told them in early February that New York was more than prepared for the virus and they should be comfortable dining out, using the subway, and by all means attending the big parade ( next day).  And then they have the gall to blame others for their own negligence.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 30, 2020, 07:37:32 PM
So, the county I live in has been fortunate so far, despite the fact that it is on the 95 corridor and filled with people from New York and New Jersey.

But the surrounding counties are shelter in place.  None of the northeasterners are paying any attention to it. Despite them being mostly older, and all the restaurants and businesses are closed, the roads are clogged and any business that is open ( gas station, car wash, grocery, convenience store) is jammed all day every day.

Went to the local golf course which is typically empty on Monday’s.  Tee times taken for two weeks, driving range was waiting list, and parking lot filled with New York and New Jersey plates.

Guys behind the counter in pro shop said virtually none of these people are from this county. They have not only bolted New York against the shelter in place, they freely leave the counties down here where they are supposed to stay.  Frustrating is an understatement.  Especially when they come from a place where they encourage illegal immigrants, shelter those who happen to be felons from ICE, have a Health Commissioner who openly and on camera told them in early February that New York was more than prepared for the virus and they should be comfortable dining out, using the subway, and by all means attending the big parade ( next day).  And then they have the gall to blame others for their own negligence.
Running into that in WV some as well.  It is when one of the least infected states so far.  Apparently flocks of people from NY/NJ are making their way down here staying at camp grounds, shopping at our stores, etc.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 30, 2020, 07:44:44 PM
We thought about going down to Florida. We are not, even though the area we own in is still not hit that hard. It's only a matter of time, and the healthcare up here is what I know better - IF needed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 30, 2020, 09:10:33 PM
Running into that in WV some as well.  It is when one of the least infected states so far.  
Least infected simply means least tested.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 30, 2020, 09:11:39 PM
We thought about going down to Florida. We are not, even though the area we own in is still not hit that hard. It's only a matter of time, and the healthcare up here is what I know better - IF needed.
FL is one of the states that hasn't issued a shelter-in-place order or whatever its called.  A lot of old people that are being needlessly exposed anytime they venture out.

AZ just did it today.  Our school year is officially ended, although we're doing online teaching.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 30, 2020, 09:15:32 PM
Running into that in WV some as well.  It is when one of the least infected states so far.  Apparently flocks of people from NY/NJ are making their way down here staying at camp grounds, shopping at our stores, etc.
Condescending corksuckers make fun of the hill folk/mid west then come down and pollute the place with them shitty selves.They Love New York - stay there
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: longhorn320 on March 30, 2020, 09:17:32 PM
FL is one of the states that hasn't issued a shelter-in-place order or whatever its called.  A lot of old people that are being needlessly exposed anytime they venture out.

AZ just did it today.  Our school year is officially ended, although we're doing online teaching.
sure bout that?


https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/490159-governor-to-issue-stay-at-home-order-for-south-florida (https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/490159-governor-to-issue-stay-at-home-order-for-south-florida)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 30, 2020, 09:20:42 PM
Least infected simply means least tested.
possibly, possibly not
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 30, 2020, 09:22:37 PM
That governor should be brought up on charges.Finally following responsible protocol after letting spring break go on weeks ago.MORON
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 30, 2020, 09:30:35 PM
sure bout that?


https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/490159-governor-to-issue-stay-at-home-order-for-south-florida (https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/490159-governor-to-issue-stay-at-home-order-for-south-florida)
Only the very bottom end of the state. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 30, 2020, 09:40:46 PM
I don't get that, why not the entire state?

it's like they are encouraging the spread, just wanting to control it
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 30, 2020, 09:42:38 PM
Least infected simply means least tested.
There is something to that but it’s also a very isolated state.  Mountains separate communities from each other. It’s a poor state. People here don’t have the means to travel as some others.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 30, 2020, 10:02:58 PM
Got a lot of use this weekend out of a little fire pit we built in the backyard last summer.  Perfect nights for it. Warm enough that you weren’t cold sitting out there but cool enough that a fire and a light jacket or blanket felt good.

Just sat out there, binge watching Ozark on Netflix while sipping a beer or two.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on March 30, 2020, 10:34:33 PM
Running into that in WV some as well.  It is when one of the least infected states so far.  Apparently flocks of people from NY/NJ are making their way down here staying at camp grounds, shopping at our stores, etc.
On the one hand, I'm sure its a burden. On the other, I was listening to a podcast by a basketball writer who lives in queens and left for Connecticut. He felt it wasn't fair to his 5-year-old daughter to coop her up in a two-bedroom apartment for months on end. And in a free country where someone has the means to pursue space, they'll probably do it. 

(And if they're there, should they leave the stores to y'all and just not eat?)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on March 30, 2020, 10:39:31 PM
Condescending corksuckers make fun of the hill folk/mid west then come down and pollute the place with them shitty selves.They Love New York - stay there
If I've learned something in living in places of all different sizes and multiple regions, the simple reality is this: folks are folks. Some are jerks, some are not. New Yorkers are no more a monolith than midwesterners. We often paint with a broad brush, but these places are wildly different across pretty piddling distances. A 30 minute drive from where I live takes me to a whole different kind of place. 

Anyway, the urban folks who think they're special are wrong, and they're wrong if they look down on folks from WV or the midwest. But there's plenty of looking down coming the other direction too, like the post above. And in the end, people are people, not special nor magical. And the differences are often played up for one reason or another. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 30, 2020, 11:18:19 PM
On the one hand, I'm sure its a burden. On the other, I was listening to a podcast by a basketball writer who lives in queens and left for Connecticut. He felt it wasn't fair to his 5-year-old daughter to coop her up in a two-bedroom apartment for months on end. And in a free country where someone has the means to pursue space, they'll probably do it.

(And if they're there, should they leave the stores to y'all and just not eat?)
Nah, I see that too.  I asked my wife just the other day as our kids were outside playing in our yard, “What do kids in these big cities who live in apartments do?  The playgrounds are closed up. They don’t have yards to play in.”  So, I get that part of it.

With that being said, NY has roughly 10x the population of WV but roughly 180x the number of positive CV cases.  So, it shouldn’t be a big surprise that some locals down this way are less than thrilled to see an influx of New Yorkers making their way to the mountains.  They are making their way down here for their selfish reasons so there’s a tendency for people down here to be critical of it for our own selfish reasons.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 30, 2020, 11:27:17 PM
sure bout that?


https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/490159-governor-to-issue-stay-at-home-order-for-south-florida (https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/490159-governor-to-issue-stay-at-home-order-for-south-florida)
This is exactly the problem.
Reactive, not proactive.
You counties with 58% of the virus cases, you stay home.
The other parts, with 42% of the cases, do what you want.
.
Again, MATH.  It's only a matter of time before the whole state does it.  The waiting (for whatever the hell reason) is what will make it worse WHEN it happens.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MarqHusker on March 30, 2020, 11:46:04 PM
I've been enjoying talking w my Dad this week about some of the extended 'sheltered' situations hes had in life, whether that was aboard ship for months or some of his particular tedious stakeout assignments which lasted weeks at a time.  I remember the later.  Where's Dad?  Uh, on a detail in X, back in 3 weeks.  

It's not a get off my lawn story hour but in his words 'it's all of that that makes this an easy, 'temp' (his word for an assignment).   I should note OAM, part of those temps involved playing the old SI college football board game, later known as Bowl Bound, with his fellow agents on assignment.

The more things the change the more they stay the same.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Honestbuckeye on March 31, 2020, 12:23:19 AM
On the one hand, I'm sure its a burden. On the other, I was listening to a podcast by a basketball writer who lives in queens and left for Connecticut. He felt it wasn't fair to his 5-year-old daughter to coop her up in a two-bedroom apartment for months on end. And in a free country where someone has the means to pursue space, they'll probably do it.

(And if they're there, should they leave the stores to y'all and just not eat?)
So really-what you are advocating is those who are being asked to shelter in place have every right to disobey? 

I am not even agreeing or disagreeing/ just clarifying. 


so like New York Michigan has a very bad hotspot going on right now and many of those people have second homes in Florida or could escape to Florida but apparently are just not doing that. But the New Yorkers are. Does that make them smarter or better or dumber or what?

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 31, 2020, 12:38:47 AM
So really-what you are advocating is those who are being asked to shelter in place have every right to disobey? 

I am not even agreeing or disagreeing/ just clarifying. 


so like New York Michigan has a very bad hotspot going on right now and many of those people have second homes in Florida or could escape to Florida but apparently are just not doing that. But the New Yorkers are. Does that make them smarter or better or dumber or what?


Before too long, people who live in Metro Detroit and other wealthy areas of the state will be going to up to their lake houses in Northern and Western Michigan, too. Same story with people from metro Chicago going to Michigan or Northern Wisconsin, or Bostonians going to ME/NH/VT.

The problem is there's no national restrictions and in many cases not even state-wide ones.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Honestbuckeye on March 31, 2020, 12:44:00 AM
Before too long, people who live in Metro Detroit and other wealthy areas of the state will be going to up to their lake houses in Northern and Western Michigan, too. Same story with people from metro Chicago going to Michigan or Northern Wisconsin, or Bostonians going to ME/NH/VT.

The problem is there's no national restrictions and in many cases not even state-wide ones.
Good point.  And where there are restrictions- not much enforcement. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MarqHusker on March 31, 2020, 12:45:30 AM
Northern WI counties are asking folks not to visit, even if they OWN, homes in these locales.   Some of these counties still have zero reported cases. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 31, 2020, 01:07:43 AM
Northern WI counties are asking folks not to visit, even if they OWN, homes in these locales.  Some of these counties still have zero reported cases.
The county I live in still has zero reported cases but I hold out no hope that will remain the case.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 31, 2020, 06:24:50 AM
That governor should be brought up on charges.Finally following responsible protocol after letting spring break go on weeks ago.MORON
So should JB Pritzker, for allowing the Illinois primary election to happen on March 17.


He has a lot of blood on his hands for that one.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Honestbuckeye on March 31, 2020, 06:27:55 AM
So should JB Pritzker, for allowing the Illinois primary election to happen on March 17.


He has a lot of blood on his hands for that one.
At least DeSantis, the Florida Governor, has put up checkpoints on 95 and 75 coming into Florida. 
he also has established security checkpoints for all flights landing from New York and there are lots of them.

They caught a guy the other day who landed in Jacksonville from New York who knowingly was diagnosed with the virus but took the plane anyway.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 31, 2020, 06:29:49 AM
At least DeSantis, the Florida Governor, has put up checkpoints on 95 and 75 coming into Florida.
he also has established security checkpoints for all flights landing from New York and there are lots of them.

They caught a guy the other day who landed in Jacksonville from New York who knowingly was diagnosed with the virus but took the plane anyway.
Domestic terrorist.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 31, 2020, 08:28:07 AM
Anyway, the urban folks who think they're special are wrong, and they're wrong if they look down on folks from WV or the midwest. But there's plenty of looking down coming the other direction too, like the post above. And in the end, people are people, not special nor magical. And the differences are often played up for one reason or another.
Perhaps but the post above isn't PC or possibly speading a virus by not staying at home - can't have it both ways
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 31, 2020, 08:35:11 AM
Wisconsin is set to hold its primary next week, April 7, in the midst of a "stay at home" order.

Unreal.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 31, 2020, 08:39:18 AM
Great time to be a hacker/technology crook
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 31, 2020, 10:12:40 AM
So really-what you are advocating is those who are being asked to shelter in place have every right to disobey? 

I am not even agreeing or disagreeing/ just clarifying. 

so like New York Michigan has a very bad hotspot going on right now and many of those people have second homes in Florida or could escape to Florida but apparently are just not doing that. But the New Yorkers are. Does that make them smarter or better or dumber or what?
Well, the idea is to shelter in place. Essentially avoid people, only leave the house for essentials, etc. 

But which place? 

As long as someone from NY is going to their other house and following the same sort of shelter in place options that they are asked to follow in NY, I don't really see an issue. They're just as likely or unlikely to catch/spread COVID-19 at a grocery store in CT or WV than in NY--perhaps LESS likely because the population density of NY doesn't allow as much opportunity for social distancing. 

The restrictions don't bother me much because I have a yard and I can still go for walks--it's easy to social distance in my suburban environment. Much harder in NYC, where most people live in cramped apartments and going for a walk would entail being close to tons of people. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on March 31, 2020, 10:18:56 AM
So really-what you are advocating is those who are being asked to shelter in place have every right to disobey? 

I am not even agreeing or disagreeing/ just clarifying. 


so like New York Michigan has a very bad hotspot going on right now and many of those people have second homes in Florida or could escape to Florida but apparently are just not doing that. But the New Yorkers are. Does that make them smarter or better or dumber or what?


Hmmm, the use of the word "right" is interesting. In the grand scale, I suppose they have more than a few "rights" to disobey because rights tend to be narrowly defined and somewhat powerful. In this case, I'd assume it would fall into a gray area. There's no outright ban on city-to-country travel or even city to city travel. You shouldn't do it, but then you find yourself in an interesting discussion of social contract. Can I concretely reduce my own risk at the theoretical risk to others? I don't know.

I also don't even have a concrete feel on the timing of all of it. The testing and testing for antibodies is so limited right now, we're just in a state of flux. 

(I'd assume the Michigan/Florida dynamic is slightly different because you can't get there in one contained car trip. The going to a lake house thing up north is more interesting, especially when it comes to "rights," as that's depriving you use of your own property)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 31, 2020, 10:24:19 AM
Well, the idea is to shelter in place. Essentially avoid people, only leave the house for essentials, etc.

But which place?

As long as someone from NY is going to their other house and following the same sort of shelter in place options that they are asked to follow in NY, I don't really see an issue. They're just as likely or unlikely to catch/spread COVID-19 at a grocery store in CT or WV than in NY--perhaps LESS likely because the population density of NY doesn't allow as much opportunity for social distancing.

The restrictions don't bother me much because I have a yard and I can still go for walks--it's easy to social distance in my suburban environment. Much harder in NYC, where most people live in cramped apartments and going for a walk would entail being close to tons of people.

In a semi-related vein, I've been wondering what the threat of pandemic spread within dense urban environments, will do to the relatively recent trend of building more densely in urban areas in the Western United States.

Like many other cities, Austin has been pushing for development of more dense, mixed-use buildings in its urban core.  Initially those types of developments were simply offered more incentives, tax abatements, etc.  But for the past several years, the city codes themselves have been modified to restrict or even prohibit the types of construction that the city council deems undesirable, and only allow the more population-dense urban developments.

There are certainly disadvantages to urban and suburban sprawl, but during times like these, I wonder if folks will have some second thoughts.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on March 31, 2020, 10:26:11 AM
Perhaps but the post above isn't PC or possibly speading a virus by not staying at home - can't have it both ways
I don't know exactly what this sentence fragment means. 

I don't 100 percent even know if the post wasn't PC, since that's a squishy term that borders on meaninglessness. 

But in the end, we often pretend that some folks are very the same and some folks are very different, and neither is particularly correct.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 31, 2020, 10:36:33 AM
(I'd assume the Michigan/Florida dynamic is slightly different because you can't get there in one contained car trip. The going to a lake house thing up north is more interesting, especially when it comes to "rights," as that's depriving you use of your own property)
You almost can. If we were to go, and it's highly doubtful we will for a number of reasons, we'd contain in the car by sleeping in it at a rest area.

The only time outside of the car would be to relieve ourselves, and with that you just keep your distance.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 31, 2020, 11:10:21 AM
Well, the idea is to shelter in place. Essentially avoid people, only leave the house for essentials, etc.

But which place?

As long as someone from NY is going to their other house and following the same sort of shelter in place options that they are asked to follow in NY, I don't really see an issue. They're just as likely or unlikely to catch/spread COVID-19 at a grocery store in CT or WV than in NY--perhaps LESS likely because the population density of NY doesn't allow as much opportunity for social distancing.

The restrictions don't bother me much because I have a yard and I can still go for walks--it's easy to social distance in my suburban environment. Much harder in NYC, where most people live in cramped apartments and going for a walk would entail being close to tons of people.
I guess I assumed that wherever you were residing when the shelter in place was issued is where you stayed.  If I keep changing where I shelter in place then it seems like that defeats the purpose to me.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 31, 2020, 11:16:45 AM
Humans forget quickly and resume normal practices.  I live in an area of very intense development and housing.  The typical building is apartments about 30 stories tall.  There are projects still going all over to build new ones.  Most of the growth is still outside the Perimeter which is mostly suburbs.  I don't think this changes.  We have about half a million inside ATL city limits and 11 times that many outside.  The inside is growing some now after years of decline, but not as fast as outside.

https://atlanta.curbed.com/maps/map-midtown-atlanta-development-apartment-condo-office (https://atlanta.curbed.com/maps/map-midtown-atlanta-development-apartment-condo-office)

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 31, 2020, 11:17:35 AM
I guess I assumed that wherever you were residing when the shelter in place was issued is where you stayed.  If I keep changing where I shelter in place then it seems like that defeats the purpose to me.
This is one of the many reasons we are not going to Florida.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 31, 2020, 11:30:27 AM
I don't know exactly what this sentence fragment means.

I don't 100 percent even know if the post wasn't PC, since that's a squishy term that borders on meaninglessness.

But in the end, we often pretend that some folks are very the same and some folks are very different, and neither is particularly correct.
If your including the above post then obviously yes
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 31, 2020, 11:36:26 AM
I guess I assumed that wherever you were residing when the shelter in place was issued is where you stayed.  If I keep changing where I shelter in place then it seems like that defeats the purpose to me.
Yes correct,some folks want to lecture even question/chastise others feelings regarding this.If the folks who visit your area are consistent vacationers it's one thing.Not sure I'd be drinking from the same fountain or getting into the same car as any of them.Good Luck
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 31, 2020, 12:51:31 PM
I guess I assumed that wherever you were residing when the shelter in place was issued is where you stayed.  If I keep changing where I shelter in place then it seems like that defeats the purpose to me.
Not really. It's about minimizing contact with people. Outside of truly remote rural areas, it's assumed that the virus is basically everywhere. And even in the NYC metro area (8.6M people), confirmed case counts of 75K suggest that fewer than 1 in 100 people has a confirmed case - and that's comparing JUST the population of NYC, where we don't know that all 75K cases are NYC versus the rest of the state.

If you combine NY, NJ, CT and PA case counts (~100K), assuming every case in every one of those states is only in the NYC metro, and compare them against the NYC metro area population in total (23M), that's one person in less than 200 having a confirmed case.

So you assume that if you're asymptomatic, you're trying to avoid becoming infected more than you're trying to avoid spreading infection.

Obviously you don't want to constantly go back and forth from place to place, and you don't want to go to a place with fewer restrictions just to go galavanting out and about. But I think the risks of moving from one place to another, THEN staying there and sheltering in that place, are minimal.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on March 31, 2020, 12:53:16 PM
So my mother in law has a situation with a few employees she is dealing with. She is running a successful small  family business that has been in business over 50 years now.

It’s a hardware store but they also do outside jobs such as install doors, windows, awnings, etc.  It isn’t shut down because it is considered an essential business.

They have 4 guys who do the outside work.  The unofficial leader of that group has been encouraging the others to tell my MIL how unsafe they feel.  He’s a long time employee but has been a royal PITA over the years on different issues. She has tried to be sympathetic but she is coming to work everyday as are the rest of the in-store employees. She told them they could use their vacation time but they didn’t want to do that. The in store employees have a lot more contact with the public than the outside guys. Anyway, none of the outside guys showed up for work today. They told her they weren’t quitting but didn’t feel safe working right now.

She called my wife looking for advice on how to handle it.  We told her to contact each of them and tell them they are open for business and she has work that needs to be done. If they don’t report for work tomorrow then she will work under the assumption they have voluntarily resigned and will fight any unemployment claims.  She’s a little more soft hearted than my wife though.  I’ll be interested to see what happens.
The company that my wife works for has had this same issue. Some workers stated that they didn't feel safe coming to work. The owner told them they are more than welcome to not come to work, but he is not laying them off. They can take vacation if they have any, otherwise they will be going without pay. He also explained that the company was deemed essential and they had customers that expected their shipments. Therefore, he could not guarantee that anyone refusing to work would have a job when this thing was over. 

At the same time, the county health department was called and came into inspect the business. After an inspection, the county health official stated that the company was in compliance with the COVID regulations, with one of them being that employees work stations were at least 6 feet apart. 

The funny thing was that the employees that claimed to be in the greatest fear of their health, would congregate in the break room, sitting together at a small table. Apparently all they really wanted was paid time off. They didn't get it.

Also when the county health department showed up, they informed the owner that anyone that calls off sick with a soar throat, high fever or a bad cough, will have to provide a note from a doctor before returning to work. That was a shock to a few that tried that route. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 31, 2020, 12:58:29 PM
Sounds about exactly what we did 10 days ago.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on March 31, 2020, 01:06:01 PM
If your including the above post then obviously yes
That is was not PC? 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on March 31, 2020, 01:10:50 PM
I guess I assumed that wherever you were residing when the shelter in place was issued is where you stayed.  If I keep changing where I shelter in place then it seems like that defeats the purpose to me.
There's a case for that, but when this all started up, it's not like we told everyone who was in Europe, who seemed like prime disease vectors, to just stay right there, so clearly there is some gray area. 

I kind of read those orders as being about bunkering down, but not necessarily a command to bunker down right exactly where you are at that moment. On that note, I'm going to go for a walk. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on March 31, 2020, 01:16:35 PM
It's not a huge deal, just a pet peeve, but I really dislike the term "shelter in place" as it is being used in the context of this quarantine.

Shelter-in-place is a disaster-related term, which means extreme danger is imminent.  Around here, specifically,  it's used for hurricanes and tornadoes.  It doesn't imply "stay at home" at all-- to the contrary,  when a shelter-in-place order is issued, and you're not at your home, it means DO NOT go home.  You should find physical shelter wherever you currently happen to be, and stay there, until the physical threat has passed and you are told it's okay to move about once again.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 31, 2020, 01:40:43 PM
Not really. It's about minimizing contact with people. Outside of truly remote rural areas, it's assumed that the virus is basically everywhere. And even in the NYC metro area (8.6M people), confirmed case counts of 75K suggest that fewer than 1 in 100 people has a confirmed case - and that's comparing JUST the population of NYC, where we don't know that all 75K cases are NYC versus the rest of the state.

If you combine NY, NJ, CT and PA case counts (~100K), assuming every case in every one of those states is only in the NYC metro, and compare them against the NYC metro area population in total (23M), that's one person in less than 200 having a confirmed case.

So you assume that if you're asymptomatic, you're trying to avoid becoming infected more than you're trying to avoid spreading infection.

Obviously you don't want to constantly go back and forth from place to place, and you don't want to go to a place with fewer restrictions just to go galavanting out and about. But I think the risks of moving from one place to another, THEN staying there and sheltering in that place, are minimal.
But we’ve also been told you can be asymptomatic and still be a carrier and still be contagious.  So it puts people on edge that people, even though they may be asymptomatic, are leaving the biggest hot spot in the country and seeking refuge down here.  I understand why they are coming but it isn’t hard to understand why locals aren’t thrilled about it.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 31, 2020, 01:47:23 PM
I was reading a bit more about the virus being present 17 days on a cruise ship, and they measured RNA, not "live" virus.  The virus could have denatured by then and given a positive reading on RNA.  I believe the best data is survival for 1-2 days under ideal conditions on smooth hard surfaces, which is bad enough obviously.  Sunlight will kill it as will any surfactant in water.

I can't find anything reliable about how often it is spread by a sneeze or cough.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 31, 2020, 02:00:51 PM
I was reading a bit more about the virus being present 17 days on a cruise ship, and they measured RNA, not "live" virus.  The virus could have denatured by then and given a positive reading on RNA.  I believe the best data is survival for 1-2 days under ideal conditions on smooth hard surfaces, which is bad enough obviously.  Sunlight will kill it as will any surfactant in water.

I can't find anything reliable about how often it is spread by a sneeze or cough. 
That is good. I have been waiting for some context on that thing. Hopefully that detail makes it to the same front pages that reported the 17 day thing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 31, 2020, 02:11:57 PM
But we’ve also been told you can be asymptomatic and still be a carrier and still be contagious.  So it puts people on edge that people, even though they may be asymptomatic, are leaving the biggest hot spot in the country and seeking refuge down here.  I understand why they are coming but it isn’t hard to understand why locals aren’t thrilled about it.
Oh, I get that, and why people aren't thrilled about it. Especially if people are fleeing NYC and then being stupid about how they conduct themselves wherever they end up. And I'm sure there's a lot of that.

But if I lived in a tiny NYC apartment and at the same time had a vacation home in WV, I'd much rather go to the house in WV. I'd make sure I had all the supplies I needed for a few weeks so that I wasn't just running all over the place interacting with people, but at least I'd be able to go outside my door, take a walk, etc without thinking I'd be endangering myself or others. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 31, 2020, 02:15:46 PM
To add a little levity to the discussion I’ll share this story.  My kids hadn’t had Chick-Fil-A since all this started and had been asking for it.  So yesterday I took them through the CFA drive through to get something.  CFA, being CFA, had a big white canopy for their workers to stand under to shelter them.  I guess this confused enough people they had to put a sign up in the drive through that read, “Not a Covid 19 Testing Site.”

Naturally, as soon as I pulled up I asked if this was a Covid 19 testing site.😀
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 31, 2020, 02:25:10 PM
That is was not PC?
I'm really not getting your pointless vernacular bitchery.You started in on me defending someone who had a legitimate concern.No need to reply-really
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 31, 2020, 02:41:04 PM
I was reading a bit more about the virus being present 17 days on a cruise ship, and they measured RNA, not "live" virus.  The virus could have denatured by then and given a positive reading on RNA.  I believe the best data is survival for 1-2 days under ideal conditions on smooth hard surfaces, which is bad enough obviously.  Sunlight will kill it as will any surfactant in water.

I can't find anything reliable about how often it is spread by a sneeze or cough. 
Thanx CD
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 31, 2020, 03:43:24 PM
We need glasses like these to spot the infected.  Plus this clip is just legendary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp_K8prLfso (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp_K8prLfso)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Honestbuckeye on March 31, 2020, 03:47:28 PM
We need glasses like these to spot the infected.  Plus this clip is just legendary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp_K8prLfso (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp_K8prLfso)
Bravo!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 31, 2020, 04:16:02 PM
Apparently our Governor shut down any more out of staters trying to bed down at privately owned camp grounds.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 31, 2020, 04:24:31 PM
Just in case anyone missed it:

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 31, 2020, 04:24:43 PM
Apparently our Governor shut down any more out of staters trying to bed down at privately owned camp grounds.
Just out of staters? Or did he shut down the campgrounds entirely? 

If it's just out of staters, that would be a clear violation of interstate commerce and not Constitutional. Though I wonder if it would be upheld under the grounds of a health emergency...
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 31, 2020, 04:26:47 PM
Just out of staters? Or did he shut down the campgrounds entirely?

If it's just out of staters, that would be a clear violation of interstate commerce and not Constitutional. Though I wonder if it would be upheld under the grounds of a health emergency...
Yeah.. we can't become separate countries. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 31, 2020, 04:32:33 PM
Just out of staters? Or did he shut down the campgrounds entirely?

If it's just out of staters, that would be a clear violation of interstate commerce and not Constitutional. Though I wonder if it would be upheld under the grounds of a health emergency...
I'm thinking it's like "national security" - you can do whatever you want in crisis mode.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 31, 2020, 05:00:22 PM
https://wvva.com/2020/03/31/breaking-gov-justice-orders-halt-to-elective-medical-procedures-closes-private-campgrounds-to-out-of-state-visitors/

Says closed to out of staters.  Idk.  He’s already closed all state park campgrounds.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 31, 2020, 05:12:53 PM
Apparently our Governor shut down any more out of staters trying to bed down at privately owned camp grounds.
Does that include squatters who've already pitched tents?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 31, 2020, 05:16:36 PM
Does that include squatters who've already pitched tents?
He said if you are already there then you can stay as long as you are self-isolating.  No one new though.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on March 31, 2020, 05:37:59 PM
https://wvva.com/2020/03/31/breaking-gov-justice-orders-halt-to-elective-medical-procedures-closes-private-campgrounds-to-out-of-state-visitors/

Says closed to out of staters.  Idk.  He’s already closed all state park campgrounds.
I'm interested in what the calculus of allowing in-staters would be? I suppose they could be leaving some of the state's urban centers, though those tend to be pretty small. 

I also wonder if it wouldn't hold up in court, but it would need to be challenged, and by the time it was, it would all be over.

The most interesting part of that is the phrase "We remain the highest risk state in the nation." That got my attention. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: GopherRock on March 31, 2020, 05:38:36 PM
Apparently our Governor shut down any more out of staters trying to bed down at privately owned camp grounds.
This past weekend, the Minnesota DNR shut down all state park and forest campgrounds and revoked all active camping permits. Parks are still open for day use, with appropriate distancing. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 31, 2020, 05:40:46 PM
I'm interested in what the calculus of allowing in-staters would be? I suppose they could be leaving some of the state's urban centers, though those tend to be pretty small.

I also wonder if it wouldn't hold up in court, but it would need to be challenged, and by the time it was, it would all be over.

The most interesting part of that is the phrase "We remain the highest risk state in the nation." That got my attention.
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Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on March 31, 2020, 05:54:20 PM
I'm really not getting your pointless vernacular bitchery.You started in on me defending someone who had a legitimate concern.No need to reply-really
Listen man, I'll say this nicely. I literally didn't understand what in the hell your reply meant. And each reply was meant to untangle it in this system in which only the quoted text stays up there. 

I think that quoted phrasing was pretty uncalled for. But rather than reply in kind, I'll just say whatever. I assume since there's no need to reply, I won't get one and we'll move on. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 31, 2020, 05:54:38 PM
The most interesting part of that is the phrase "We remain the highest risk state in the nation." That got my attention.
I'm assuming that means that due to state poverty, health issues, etc, that they think those in WV are more at risk for mortality due to COVID-19 than average.

I.e. a history of coal mining, and the associated respiratory issues that go with it, probably make it a much more dangerous disease to anyone who came from that field. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 31, 2020, 05:54:52 PM
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I was going to say that
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on March 31, 2020, 05:55:38 PM
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To veer this off course, Badge, the rate at which one's calculus knowledge atrophies is something to behold. That's like a muscle that needs near constant work.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 31, 2020, 05:56:46 PM
To veer this off course, Badge, the rate at which one's calculus knowledge is something to behold. That's like a muscle that needs near constant work.
I'm sure I agree. I doubt I can do trigonometry without a refresher, much less calculus. 

Of course these days, I can't even help my damn 7 year old first-grader with her math homework. Stupid new math. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on March 31, 2020, 05:56:53 PM
I'm assuming that means that due to state poverty, health issues, etc, that they think those in WV are more at risk for mortality due to COVID-19 than average.

I.e. a history of coal mining, and the associated respiratory issues that go with it, probably make it a much more dangerous disease to anyone who came from that field.
Interesting. I was wondering if there was a deficit in hospital resources, but the coal thing makes sense too. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 31, 2020, 06:02:29 PM
Listen man, I'll say this nicely. I literally didn't understand what in the hell your reply meant. And each reply was meant to untangle it in this system in which only the quoted text stays up there.

I think that quoted phrasing was pretty uncalled for. But rather than reply in kind, I'll just say whatever. I assume since there's no need to reply, I won't get one and we'll move on.
I'm not quoted phrasing anything you can go stay with the New Yorkers - those that don't seem to want play by the rules in Florida or WV that was pointed out by two different posters.That you feel the need to dress me down for pointing it out .Put your PC to work and those rose colored glasses on ignore the problem and by all means hammer on.SMDH
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 31, 2020, 06:02:57 PM
And before @OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) jumps on me for my criticism of "new math"... I get it. I see what they're doing--trying to actually make students understand the concepts of what they're teaching in a way that doesn't come across with rote learning of skills. If it ends up working, it might make these students grow up to understand numbers in a way that too few adults these days do.

But hell... The method I was taught addition worked freaking great. It still works great. It scales up easily to big numbers. 

Instead I'm trying to draw "quick tens" and figure out what the heck a "number bond" is, so that I can then re-learn these techniques myself and figure out how to explain them to her. 

OAM--what grade do you teach? I gotta say, all respect to you, because there's no way I could survive more than a week as a teacher, unless I was MAYBE at AP math/science levels in high school, or a college prof. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: GopherRock on March 31, 2020, 06:10:56 PM
To veer this off course, Badge, the rate at which one's calculus knowledge atrophies is something to behold. That's like a muscle that needs near constant work.
Yup, but the quick derivation trick helps move up and down the scale quickly. 

I'll admit I use trig far more than I should probably admit, but I'm also in a line of work that uses it regularly. And I just got my license to hang on the wall. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: GopherRock on March 31, 2020, 06:14:19 PM
Also, if anyone here is in need of some STEM-related material for their distance learning, let me know. I do a lot of stuff with our agency's STEM outreach, and would love to help. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Kris60 on March 31, 2020, 06:14:36 PM
I'm assuming that means that due to state poverty, health issues, etc, that they think those in WV are more at risk for mortality due to COVID-19 than average.

I.e. a history of coal mining, and the associated respiratory issues that go with it, probably make it a much more dangerous disease to anyone who came from that field.
Yeah, he means with all the underlying health issues the residents of our state already have.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on March 31, 2020, 06:15:47 PM
My math skills are gone.  My piano playing is slowly recovering.

I can drink like a fish.

I made it through diff eq back in the day, never had a use for it really.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Honestbuckeye on March 31, 2020, 06:17:12 PM
In an interesting development a nearby high end ( but reasonably priced) golf course just sent an interesting email.  

It basically it says that effective immediately in order to gain entry or make a Tee Time, you must produce a drivers license proving you reside in this county or the one directly north- where the virus has not yet proliferated.  

As I had mentioned before- it was overrun by people from two counties to the south where Shelter in place is in place and courses are closed. Additionally/ a high % of those are visitors from New York and New Jersey. 

Curious- how do you all feel about that?

For me- it makes total sense.   If you are coming from a place where the disease has spread strongly- to play golf with people who come from a place where it hasn’t-only to go right back to where you were supposed to stay in place - you are wrong to be doing that.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 31, 2020, 06:20:49 PM


OAM--what grade do you teach? I gotta say, all respect to you, because there's no way I could survive more than a week as a teacher, unless I was MAYBE at AP math/science levels in high school, or a college prof.
You wouldn't believe me if I told you.
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The "new" math is only useful AFTER the students get their math facts down (traditional learning) first.  Once that's done, then yeah, they're simply explicitly DOING what our minds are thinking quickly.  It's just tedious because you have to slow it down enough to write it out and ideally EXPLAIN it.  If they can explain how they got something, that's a kid without any more hurdles in front of them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 31, 2020, 06:26:22 PM
The WV thing, keeping people out, is fine, but it's not going to change the future.  Rural areas will get hit hard, just on a delay.  Yes, jack-wagons from NYC may infect some in WV, but it's going to happen either way.  
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A great (horrible) example that's on a fast-forward timeline is the Navajo reservation.  You couldn't find a more isolated place.  BUT - probably 80% of the adult males work down in Phoenix/Mesa (or elsewhere) and go back home every week or two.  Bringing that virus up with them - a SUPER isolated place that isn't on the way to anywhere, is now inundated with cases.
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It's a fast-forwarded timeline because they go to the big city and back like clockwork, on a schedule.  
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The people in tiny towns in WV or WY or ND are going to see the cities start to improve (eventually) and start "going to town" for doctor visits or a big grocery trip or whatever and bring it back to their small town with them.  As the cities improve, the rural will flare.  It's a (sad) certainty.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on March 31, 2020, 06:31:51 PM
I'm not quoted phrasing anything you can go stay with the New Yorkers - those that don't seem to want play by the rules in Florida or WV that was pointed out by two different posters.That you feel the need to dress me down for pointing it out .Put your PC to work and those rose colored glasses on ignore the problem and by all means hammer on.SMDH
I shoulda been clearer, the quoted phrasing referred to the term “vernacular bitchery.” I felt that was uncalled for.

But for the sake of civility, I should not have dressed you down for calling millions of folks cocksuckers and human pollutants. A man should not be contradicted on such things.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on March 31, 2020, 07:20:51 PM
I made it through diff eq back in the day, never had a use for it really.
Many never get to Calculus. After Calculus, I still had to take multivariate calculus, differential equations, and linear algebra. 

I don't use any of it. But I'm not sad I went through it, honestly... 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: longhorn320 on March 31, 2020, 07:33:32 PM
Many never get to Calculus. After Calculus, I still had to take multivariate calculus, differential equations, and linear algebra.

I don't use any of it. But I'm not sad I went through it, honestly...
we business majors never had to do anything like that

debit credit and amortize thats about it
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on March 31, 2020, 07:55:54 PM
Many never get to Calculus. After Calculus, I still had to take multivariate calculus, differential equations, and linear algebra.

I don't use any of it. But I'm not sad I went through it, honestly...
I got as far as calc 3. Ran into the issue of not wanting to study something that was going to carry me through all that. Also seeing the future Drs and engineers slice through the science classes that were making my semesters unpleasant. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 31, 2020, 07:58:26 PM
When I took that test to steer you into the correct math class in college, it recommended Business Calculus.
I was like "F that" and took algebra, lol.  My ability exceeded my desire, to be sure.
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What is "Business Calculus"?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 31, 2020, 08:08:43 PM
The WV thing, keeping people out, is fine, but it's not going to change the future.  Rural areas will get hit hard, just on a delay.  Yes, jack-wagons from NYC may infect some in WV, but it's going to happen either way. 
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Watch it there buster or the board sheriff will put you in the shackles of shame - this is no place for sarcasm
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 31, 2020, 09:33:41 PM
that's not sarcasm
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 31, 2020, 09:34:28 PM
I don't use any of it. But I'm not sad I went through it, honestly...
this might indicate a problem

;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 31, 2020, 09:36:36 PM
I have friends that live in small towns and rural areas of Minnesooota that are coming to Iowa to play golf

not much risk, but always some

doubt they will be checked by local courses
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on March 31, 2020, 09:41:46 PM
also, I drove 4 1/2 hours across the state of Iowa to pickup a trailer for work - purchased new

I will be going to Cedar Rapids either yet this week or next week to pickup a fiber splicing trailer purchased new for the company

I found a similar trailer in Indiana for over $2,000 less, but the boss didn't want me driving to Indiana to pick it up.  Crossing state lines and all.

I got out of the truck to purchase gas and use the restroom once.  I signed the paper in the trailer manufacturer's office.  Stopped at a subway sammich shop for food.  That was it for over 9 hours of travel.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on March 31, 2020, 11:10:05 PM
that's not sarcasm
That's what I thought
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 01, 2020, 12:33:52 AM
Many never get to Calculus. After Calculus, I still had to take multivariate calculus, differential equations, and linear algebra.

I don't use any of it. But I'm not sad I went through it, honestly...
Yup, Calculus, DiffEQ, Vector Calc, and Matrices and Linear Algebra. 

If I were designing radar antennae they'd all be quite useful.  As it is, I still enjoyed the theory.

I'll never forget, though, when I learned that I could use a transform and simple algebra to solve in the frequency domain, problems that called for differential equations in the time domain.  I was actually pissed and almost walked out of class that day.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2020, 08:17:29 AM
When I took that test to steer you into the correct math class in college, it recommended Business Calculus.
I was like "F that" and took algebra, lol.  My ability exceeded my desire, to be sure.
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What is "Business Calculus"?

It's not calculus. It's bulljive.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2020, 08:21:16 AM
Many never get to Calculus. After Calculus, I still had to take multivariate calculus, differential equations, and linear algebra.

I don't use any of it. But I'm not sad I went through it, honestly...
I did differential equations and matrix and linear algebra.

I can still do calculus, believe it or not. The "new" math, to me, is garbage. It's like re-writing history to match a narrative. Or everyone gets a trophy.


Pussification of America at its un-finest.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 01, 2020, 08:27:34 AM
When I took DiffEq, the professor's son was in the class, he was 16.  He was also smart, duh.  It was amusing.

I ran into some smart people in my life.  A few were arrogant about it, but I'd opine most were unassuming and modest.  I would have been arrogant.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 01, 2020, 08:54:36 AM
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-do-face-masks-work.html (https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-do-face-masks-work.html)

https://va.news-republic.com/a/6810058810942554629?app_id=1239&c=fb&gid=6810058810942554629&impr_id=6810199815281510661&language=en&region=us&user_id=6498349256930231306 (https://va.news-republic.com/a/6810058810942554629?app_id=1239&c=fb&gid=6810058810942554629&impr_id=6810199815281510661&language=en&region=us&user_id=6498349256930231306)

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 01, 2020, 09:41:56 AM
I did differential equations and matrix and linear algebra.

I can still do calculus, believe it or not. The "new" math, to me, is garbage. It's like re-writing history to match a narrative. Or everyone gets a trophy.


Pussification of America at its un-finest.
Yeah, no.  There's plenty of that going on elsewhere, but how you learn math has nothing to do with toughness, lol.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 01, 2020, 09:44:00 AM
Watch it there buster or the board sheriff will put you in the shackles of shame - this is no place for sarcasm
No, no, no - I love that phrase!  Others use jaggoff or something similar.  But anytime I can use jack-wagon, I genuinely enjoy it!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2020, 09:55:30 AM
Yeah, no.  There's plenty of that going on elsewhere, but how you learn math has nothing to do with toughness, lol.
Does too.


Learn it the old fashioned way. You earn it!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 01, 2020, 10:04:07 AM
Yup, Calculus, DiffEQ, Vector Calc, and Matrices and Linear Algebra.

If I were designing radar antennae they'd all be quite useful.  As it is, I still enjoyed the theory.

I'll never forget, though, when I learned that I could use a transform and simple algebra to solve in the frequency domain, problems that called for differential equations in the time domain.  I was actually pissed and almost walked out of class that day.

Ahh, the old FFT... Forgot about those!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Riffraft on April 01, 2020, 10:07:42 AM
I did all my calculus when I was in High School. Started college taking differential Equation and a number theory class. Number theory was the only math class that I took that totally kicked my a$$. I actually have 3 years of a Mechanical Engineering degree before I decided it just wasn't what I wanted to do. Switch to business because it was the easiest and quickest way I could finish school and get some kind of degree. 

somehow years later I ended up being an accounting without an accounting degree. Eventually getting my CPA certification, so now I work with numbers all the time. But with excel, accounting software and such, my math skills are fairly gone. Could just be old age. :03:
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 01, 2020, 10:11:18 AM
I had calculus in HS and started college in honors calculus.  It was completely different stuff, I think we covered the basics on day one and then got into weirdness.  We certainly were not learning how to differentiate some equation after day one.  Some folks in there never had calculus in HS and managed to get by.

My HS calculus teacher admittedly was a bit old and weak.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 01, 2020, 10:19:46 AM
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-do-face-masks-work.html (https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-do-face-masks-work.html)

https://va.news-republic.com/a/6810058810942554629?app_id=1239&c=fb&gid=6810058810942554629&impr_id=6810199815281510661&language=en&region=us&user_id=6498349256930231306 (https://va.news-republic.com/a/6810058810942554629?app_id=1239&c=fb&gid=6810058810942554629&impr_id=6810199815281510661&language=en&region=us&user_id=6498349256930231306)



My mom and a bunch of her church-lady friends make pillowcases for the children's hospital, but their contacts at the hospital asked them to switch over to making cloth masks for hospital personnel instead.  Not the frontline workers of course, they still need the full respirators, but the cloth masks do offer at least some protection for other staff.  Or so they are saying.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: GopherRock on April 01, 2020, 10:26:13 AM
Our HS AP Calc teacher was a great guy, and I think we had all the brainpower in my graduating class in the AP2 class. Of the 16 of us in the class, 15 of us either got a 4 or 5. Good stuff. 

I got routed into the liberal arts calculus route, which was different from engineer calc in that engineer calc had us working with and familiarizing ourselves with computer programs that would frequently be used down the line. Two of the three calc professors had completely useless lectures. When it came to matrices, the class required us to grind through a system of equations. Ugh.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 01, 2020, 10:29:16 AM
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-its-so-freaking-hard-to-make-a-good-covid-19-model/ (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-its-so-freaking-hard-to-make-a-good-covid-19-model/)

Interesting discussion about models in this.

I THINK the mask idea is to prevent a contagious person from spreading the virus by sneezing or coughing, not as protection from.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 01, 2020, 10:38:32 AM
Our HS AP Calc teacher was a great guy, and I think we had all the brainpower in my graduating class in the AP2 class. Of the 16 of us in the class, 15 of us either got a 4 or 5. Good stuff.
Our AP Physics teacher has a "wall of fame" up for all of his students who got 5s on both the mechanics and the electricity & magnetism portions of the AP Physics test. About a year ago, my friend's daughter was taking his class and saw that both his and my name are still on it, from 25 years ago. 

He was a phenomenal teacher. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 01, 2020, 10:39:42 AM
https://va.news-republic.com/a/6810058810942554629?app_id=1239&c=fb&gid=6810058810942554629&impr_id=6810199815281510661&language=en&region=us&user_id=6498349256930231306 (https://va.news-republic.com/a/6810058810942554629?app_id=1239&c=fb&gid=6810058810942554629&impr_id=6810199815281510661&language=en&region=us&user_id=6498349256930231306)


Hopeful and Helpful perspective,Thanx
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 01, 2020, 10:43:13 AM
We didn't have AP when I was in HS, just 1-2-3 level courses.  My kids' HS had both AP and IB classes.  They were interestingly different, the IB teachers had to be specifically certified for teaching that.  My son took three years of IB physics in HS.  The chemistry teacher didn't have certification.  IB also had a senior level course called "Theory of Knowledge" which was pretty interesting, to me.

We had a lot of European/French families in out district.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: GopherRock on April 01, 2020, 10:44:47 AM
Also, I'm glad that I took the PE exam last fall. Just looked on the NCEES website, and they've outright canceled the spring exam. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 01, 2020, 10:47:16 AM
UT engineering didn't allow you to place out of engineering physics, or anything beyond the first semester of calculus.  I got 5s on both, but only got credit for Physics for Physics majors, not engineering physics, and only the first semester of calculus.

Also placed out of history and literature, which I wish I hadn't because those would have been really great classes to take at the college level, but there's no way I would have graduated in 4 years if I hadn't, and back in those days, scholarship money ran out after 4.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Riffraft on April 01, 2020, 10:51:33 AM
Sorry Couldn't Resist

(https://i.imgur.com/8oWkl8d.jpg)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 01, 2020, 10:55:22 AM
well it is April Fool's - good luck to us
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: ELA on April 01, 2020, 12:27:31 PM
The local market/apple orchard is doing daily food packages.  You have to sign up online at noon, and they only put together like 10 of them a day, sell out in less than 2 minutes each day.  It's expensive, but it's fresh, fairly comprehensive, and pre-packaged for you, of a known good quality.  You don't get to pick what you get though.

We finally "won" for the first time today

Milk, cider, eggs, butter, pulled pork, mac & cheese, corn, lunch meat, cheese, bread, chili, 2 lbs of mixed veggies, apples, bananas, potatoes, lettuce, cinnamon swirl bread, fresh baked pie

Then I can go off hours to the grocery store for a limited run.  I did the curbside pickup last week, and the problem is all of the slots are filled 6 days out, so you need to plan WAY in advance to put in your order, and then they had to make 9 substitutions.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: GopherRock on April 01, 2020, 12:45:09 PM
Ok, let's try this:

Bad: Confirmed cases way up in MN, including 5 more fatalities yesterday. 

Good: over half of the confirmed cases no longer need to be isolated. Also, UMN and Mayo Clinic researchers are well into antibody trials. Much work yet to do, but all involved are pleased with the early returns. 


https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/situation.html
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 01, 2020, 12:48:39 PM
Sorry Couldn't Resist

(https://i.imgur.com/8oWkl8d.jpg)
LMAO. And then get crushed by Ohio at the end....
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2020, 12:48:49 PM
That is very encouraging news. Thanks.

We had our networking group meeting on Zoom this morning. First time and it worked well. We had 17 people show up.

My town has 22 cases, most of them in nursing homes. The store director from our local Jewel (grocery) store was also in the meeting. He confirmed that his store has zero (confirmed) cases. 2 of his older workers are staying home for their own sake. There are no symptoms in the store. He will update the group with any changes.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 01, 2020, 01:12:34 PM
don't know if it's been discussed yet, but US lawmakers passing that pathetic stimulus bill was a joke. It is essentially just the largest transfer of wealth in the history of this country. I seriously can't believe they decided to do means testing and delay getting money to families that need it. Some won't get it for a month or months. Could've been very easy for the government to just send everyone CashApp, Venmo, PayPal, Zelle instantly. Look at how Canada handled this crisis vs. look at how America handled it. Makes me wish I was Canadian for the first time ever in my life. Let's not to forget about the millions of most vulnerable who need the money most but won't get a single red cent. Think of all the mom and pop places that have been forced to shut down and all the millions of people working at those places living paycheck to paycheck and don't make enough to even bother filing taxes. They aren't getting shit.

I am so sick and fed up with American politicians. They are the most worthless, spineless, useless people on planet earth.

The lawmakers should try to aggressively hammer China. I would LOVE to see them just cancel the $1 trillion US debt with China as punishment for the CCP covering this thing up and for the CCP failing to shutdown the disgusting inhumane, FILTHY disease breeding wet markets that brought this thing upon the world. Would LOVE to see US lawmakers bring manufacturing of essential industries like health/pharmaceuticals back to US soil and pressure the hell out of other US multinationals to bring their manufacturing as well.

This should be a HUGE wake-up call to everyone in this country. The CCP is evil and China is NOT your friend. They are the enemy of the United States of America and the singe largest threat to continued American hegemony. And our stupid, lazy, crooked politicians and our greedy US multinationals turned China into the power that it is. These dumb assholes made it happen. I really think a war with China might actually be necessary in the near future. We need to stop China. Period. And all this Russia Russia Russia bullshit from the Democrats for the last 3 plus years when Russia is a 3rd rate country that's essentially just a giant gas station that Putin controls and not a threat to America at all has done nothing but waste critical time and effort that should've been directed squarely at China.

Trump should've never stopped calling it Chinese virus, and the mainstream media and twitter are a joke by the way. Twitter is banned in China by the CCP, but high-ranking CCP officials have twitter accounts with the checkmarks and can go online on twitter claiming that America started this virus and bio-engineered it in a lab. Give me an F'ing break. CEO of twitter should jump off a bridge. How about you grow a pair and ban CCP officials from using twitter if they ban it from being used in their country.

/END RANT. Sorry guys.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 01, 2020, 01:26:13 PM
" I seriously can't believe they decided to do means testing and delay getting money to families that need it. Some won't get it for a month or months."

I'm a bit confused by this.  I understood it to be based on one's tax return last year and if you made "too much", you would get less, or none, right?

What did Canada do differently?  I read they basically offered expanded UE insurance for those who lost income.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2020, 02:09:20 PM
don't know if it's been discussed yet, but US lawmakers passing that pathetic stimulus bill was a joke. It is essentially just the largest transfer of wealth in the history of this country. I seriously can't believe they decided to do means testing and delay getting money to families that need it. Some won't get it for a month or months. Could've been very easy for the government to just send everyone CashApp, Venmo, PayPal, Zelle instantly. Look at how Canada handled this crisis vs. look at how America handled it. Makes me wish I was Canadian for the first time ever in my life. Let's not to forget about the millions of most vulnerable who need the money most but won't get a single red cent. Think of all the mom and pop places that have been forced to shut down and all the millions of people working at those places living paycheck to paycheck and don't make enough to even bother filing taxes. They aren't getting shit.

I am so sick and fed up with American politicians. They are the most worthless, spineless, useless people on planet earth.

The lawmakers should try to aggressively hammer China. I would LOVE to see them just cancel the $1 trillion US debt with China as punishment for the CCP covering this thing up and for the CCP failing to shutdown the disgusting inhumane, FILTHY disease breeding wet markets that brought this thing upon the world. Would LOVE to see US lawmakers bring manufacturing of essential industries like health/pharmaceuticals back to US soil and pressure the hell out of other US multinationals to bring their manufacturing as well.

This should be a HUGE wake-up call to everyone in this country. The CCP is evil and China is NOT your friend. They are the enemy of the United States of America and the singe largest threat to continued American hegemony. And our stupid, lazy, crooked politicians and our greedy US multinationals turned China into the power that it is. These dumb assholes made it happen. I really think a war with China might actually be necessary in the near future. We need to stop China. Period. And all this Russia Russia Russia bullshit from the Democrats for the last 3 plus years when Russia is a 3rd rate country that's essentially just a giant gas station that Putin controls and not a threat to America at all has done nothing but waste critical time and effort that should've been directed squarely at China.

Trump should've never stopped calling it Chinese virus, and the mainstream media and twitter are a joke by the way. Twitter is banned in China by the CCP, but high-ranking CCP officials have twitter accounts with the checkmarks and can go online on twitter claiming that America started this virus and bio-engineered it in a lab. Give me an F'ing break. CEO of twitter should jump off a bridge. How about you grow a pair and ban CCP officials from using twitter if they ban it from being used in their country.

/END RANT. Sorry guys.
I told my brother this morning that we need to beat this virus, and then declare war on China.

Good rant.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2020, 03:07:41 PM
I'm asking again.

Take it to the stream thread.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on April 01, 2020, 04:15:42 PM
FORE!!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: ELA on April 01, 2020, 05:05:51 PM
You can move them, I've done it
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 01, 2020, 05:18:51 PM
I told my brother this morning that we need to beat this virus, and then declare war on China.

Good rant.
Agreed. But the mainstream media and the dems seem to be the propaganda arm of the CCP. It absolutely blows me away. And sadly most people in this country are mindless sheep. I hate to say it but it’s true. 

China would be nothing if it weren’t for US multinationals setting up shop there to exploit cheap labor. Nothing. And our stupid government allowed it to happen. And the dumbass execs running these companies willingly agreed to enter into CCP backed joint ventures and voluntarily transfer over trade secrets, tech, and ip. What was China before the US? Nothing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 01, 2020, 05:25:20 PM
My, times have changed...

A hundred years ago, the global pandemic came after the world war.

If you guys get your way, the global pandemic will come after and cause the world war this time. 

:smiley_confused1:
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 01, 2020, 05:37:49 PM
My, times have changed...

A hundred years ago, the global pandemic came after the world war.

If you guys get your way, the global pandemic will come after and cause the world war this time.

:smiley_confused1:
Not sure it’d be much of a world war. Who would even side with China? Russia, Venezuela, and Iran? Lol.

The rest of the entire world would align with the US against China. 

I don’t think it’d be a very long war. And honestly wouldn’t be a bad thing for the world to bring China to it’s knees get rid of the CCP once and for all.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2020, 05:51:49 PM
I think "we" could bring China to its knees economically, as was in progress until this virus was unleashed upon us.

I don't believe for a minute that this thing wasn't spread intentionally, starting in Italy - one of the most traveled-to countries in the World.

Of course, I don't trust China, I've never trusted China, and I never will trust China. Hence, my potential bias.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 01, 2020, 05:56:26 PM
How do y'all expect this war will go? Do we need a ground invasion? Obviously we're not going to try to "conquer" China. What's the goal... Regime change? 

I dunno... I'm not sure it's a great idea to pick a fight with 1.3B people...
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2020, 05:59:17 PM
How do y'all expect this war will go? Do we need a ground invasion? Obviously we're not going to try to "conquer" China. What's the goal... Regime change?

I dunno... I'm not sure it's a great idea to pick a fight with 1.3B people...

If their weapons work like their test kits and masks... no worries. 


So long as nobody sold our weapons technology to them, of course. Which is a big IF.


Anyway, even still. Yeah, they have a big army. They don't have the naval means to get that army here. Not even close.



I wonder what Stormin' Norman would do.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 01, 2020, 06:04:40 PM
It's not a military war.

It's an economic war.  And we've been in it for more than a couple of decades.

Status Report?  They're beating the crap out of us, right now-- and that's largely because a majority in our country don't even realize we're in a war.

But I think this is opening some eyes.  It'll start with revamping our emergency supply chain.  Medications, medical equipment, sensitive technical equipment, etc. We'll have no choice but to push that to more domestic production.

And then as the enemy fights back against us on THOSE fronts, more people will begin to understand the nature, and the extent, of this war.

Just imagine investing all of that capital into Mexico and Latin America, rather than overseas.  Not only would it cripple the enemy, but it could significantly enhance the quality of life to our neighbors to the south, diminishing their suffering which would ultimately help them become independent and less likely to overwhelm our own national resources.  That part won't be easy at all of course.  But it has to start somewhere.



Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 01, 2020, 06:08:50 PM
How do y'all expect this war will go? Do we need a ground invasion? Obviously we're not going to try to "conquer" China. What's the goal... Regime change?

I dunno... I'm not sure it's a great idea to pick a fight with 1.3B people...
Basically do the opposite of the Iraq and Afghanistan war. Smash them up, topple the government and then leave. No need to try to conquer them and occupy them for years and force a government down their throats. That never works. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 01, 2020, 06:13:15 PM
From what I understand, companies are already trying to leave China. And not because of the current administration's trade policies [although that had an effect].

China is barely even considered a low cost country [LCC] any more... Now they're too close to the first world to be cheap.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 01, 2020, 06:14:36 PM
If their weapons work like their test kits and masks... no worries.


So long as nobody sold our weapons technology to them, of course. Which is a big IF.


Anyway, even still. Yeah, they have a big army. They don't have the naval means to get that army here. Not even close.



I wonder what Stormin' Norman would do.
Don’t have to sell them technology- the dirty f’ers steal tech and ip like you wouldn’t believe.

And so many of our stupid ass corporations willingly set up brand new joint venture CCP backed companies and WILLINGLY transferred tech and ip in order to set up production facilities over there. Boeing, GM, Honeywell, GE, etc..

As far as I can tell though US weapons manufacturers aren’t over there. I could be wrong on that don’t quote me. Doesn’t really matter if they aren’t, because China operates the largest espionage ring aimed the US in the entire world. 

Their sole aim is to overthrow the US as the worlds power and they will do anything and everything they can to make that happen. US needs to fight back and fight back dirty. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 01, 2020, 06:19:40 PM
From what I understand, companies are already trying to leave China. And not because of the current administration's trade policies [although that had an effect].

China is barely even considered a low cost country [LCC] any more... Now they're too close to the first world to be cheap.
Doesn’t matter if they want to leave or not. It’s still cheaper for them to produce in China than it is in the US. Even with the tarrifs and wage increases. And these soulless, lifeless mega US multinationals care about nothing more than the bottom line period. The people running them have sold out their own country all in the name of the almighty dollar. 

And even if they leave, doesn’t matter. Those f’n MORONS actually WILLINGLY handed over tech and ip to the CCP in order to operate in China. They sold out their own future and their own people in order to make a quick buck today. China would be a poor 3rd rate backwater still if US/European multinationals never decided to move all of their f’n production to China and transfer over tech/ip.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: GopherRock on April 01, 2020, 06:24:43 PM
I'm just glad that we did our thing in Italy before things went totally haywire. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 01, 2020, 06:34:10 PM
Doesn’t matter if they want to leave or not. It’s still cheaper for them to produce in China than it is in the US. Even with the tarrifs and wage increases. And these soulless, lifeless mega US multinationals care about nothing more than the bottom line period. The people running them have sold out their own country all in the name of the almighty dollar.

And even if they leave, doesn’t matter. Those f’n MORONS actually WILLINGLY handed over tech and ip to the CCP in order to operate in China. They sold out their own future and their own people in order to make a quick buck today. China would be a poor 3rd rate backwater still if US/European multinationals never decided to move all of their f’n production to China and transfer over tech/ip.
I don't disagree with the general sentiment that we need to move manufacturing out of China, but it's not a question of corporate greed, but rather an issue of corporate survival--  and it's the American consumer that's to blame.

Do you think American consumers will buy Dell or HP computers that cost 30% more than their Lenovo counterparts?  Do you think they'll buy the $500 Dell laptop, or the identically-spec'd $350 Lenovo one?

You don't have to answer that one, we've already tested the hypothesis and verified the conclusion in real life.  American consumers only "buy American" if it's priced the same.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 01, 2020, 06:35:03 PM
I think "we" could bring China to its knees economically, as was in progress until this virus was unleashed upon us.

I don't believe for a minute that this thing wasn't spread intentionally, starting in Italy - one of the most traveled-to countries in the World.

Of course, I don't trust China, I've never trusted China, and I never will trust China. Hence, my potential bias.
CCP delayed to act and tried just covering it up at first. If the CCP had taken action 3 weeks earlier than they did- instead of trying to cover it up and DISAPPEAR whistleblowers- when they already KNEW there was a problem- this thing would’ve been contained to China and the number cases China “reported” would’ve been reduced by 95%. 

They 100% are lying about the numbers of infected and dead. It’s way more than they are letting on. And it spread like wildfire in Italy because there are a ton of Chinese nationals in the Milan area and a ton of Italian businesses that are owned by Chinese companies. My guess is the spread has more to do with that than any kind of conspiracy. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 01, 2020, 06:38:36 PM
I'm just glad that we did our thing in Italy before things went totally haywire.

Tourism will be back, no worries.  I love Italy and will most definitely return someday.  Sooner than later I hope.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 01, 2020, 06:39:47 PM
CCP delayed to act and tried just covering it up at first. If the CCP had taken action 3 weeks earlier than they did- instead of trying to cover it up and DISAPPEAR whistleblowers- when they already KNEW there was a problem- this thing would’ve been contained to China and the number cases China “reported” would’ve been reduced by 95%.

They 100% are lying about the numbers of infected and dead. It’s way more than they are letting on. And it spread like wildfire in Italy because there are a ton of Chinese nationals in the Milan area and a ton of Italian businesses that are owned by Chinese companies. My guess is the spread has more to do with that than any kind of conspiracy.
Something like 300,000 Chinese workers in the Italian textile industries in/near Milan.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 01, 2020, 06:43:39 PM
From what I understand, companies are already trying to leave China. And not because of the current administration's trade policies [although that had an effect].

China is barely even considered a low cost country [LCC] any more... Now they're too close to the first world to be cheap.
It's still significantly cheaper for many/most American tech companies, but that's largely because the Chinese government will subsidize Chinese corporations to work at a loss in order to maintain their stranglehold on the production.  It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy then, and it doesn't help that they buy up our debt and then finance the subsidies with our very own interest payments.

Like I said, this is a war they've been intentionally fighting for decades, whilst the average American has no idea such a war is even possible.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on April 01, 2020, 06:44:41 PM
If their weapons work like their test kits and masks... no worries.


So long as nobody sold our weapons technology to them, of course. Which is a big IF.


Anyway, even still. Yeah, they have a big army. They don't have the naval means to get that army here. Not even close.



I wonder what Stormin' Norman would do.
Chances are good they possess the ability to reach us with WMDs. 

Would they incinerate a few west coast cities? Considering how they treat their own folks, not a bad chance of it. 

Also, never get into a land war in Asia. We couldn't avoid long, bloody stalemates in countries far smaller. Now there's a chance that hierarchy is rickey enough it would come apart, but the cost of being wrong would be extremely high. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on April 01, 2020, 06:48:11 PM
It's not a military war.

It's an economic war.  And we've been in it for more than a couple of decades.

Status Report?  They're beating the crap out of us, right now-- and that's largely because a majority in our country don't even realize we're in a war.


But I think this is opening some eyes.  It'll start with revamping our emergency supply chain.  Medications, medical equipment, sensitive technical equipment, etc. We'll have no choice but to push that to more domestic production.

And then as the enemy fights back against us on THOSE fronts, more people will begin to understand the nature, and the extent, of this war.

Just imagine investing all of that capital into Mexico and Latin America, rather than overseas.  Not only would it cripple the enemy, but it could significantly enhance the quality of life to our neighbors to the south, diminishing their suffering which would ultimately help them become independent and less likely to overwhelm our own national resources.  That part won't be easy at all of course.  But it has to start somewhere.




... it's weird to see it as a war to me. It just seems like free markets working at their most lubricated. Cheap khaki pants at Walmart won out. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2020, 06:50:05 PM
Chances are good they possess the ability to reach us with WMDs.

Would they incinerate a few west coast cities? Considering how they treat their own folks, not a bad chance of it.

Also, never get into a land war in Asia. We couldn't avoid long, bloody stalemates in countries far smaller. Now there's a chance that hierarchy is rickey enough it would come apart, but the cost of being wrong would be extremely high.
Good is not a promise.

As I said, if their weapons work like most of the shit they sell to the world, we have no issues. Their garbage will be in the ocean (well, it is already, in the plastic form) before it gets half way to Hawaii.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2020, 06:51:16 PM
... it's weird to see it as a war to me. It just seems like free markets working at their most lubricated. Cheap khaki pants at Walmart won out.
Damn Harbaugh has to get brought up in this?


Every thread turns into a Michigan thread here.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 01, 2020, 06:54:00 PM
I don't disagree with the general sentiment that we need to move manufacturing out of China, but it's not a question of corporate greed, but rather an issue of corporate survival--  and it's the American consumer that's to blame.

Do you think American consumers will buy Dell or HP computers that cost 30% more than their Lenovo counterparts?  Do you think they'll buy the $500 Dell laptop, or the identically-spec'd $350 Lenovo one?

You don't have to answer that one, we've already tested the hypothesis and verified the conclusion in real life.  American consumers only "buy American" if it's priced the same.
You’re kind of proving my point for me brother. Lenovo was NOT a serious player at all in the US or European PC market AT ALL until it was gifted tech/name brand recognition by a stupid American company. Lenovo was a piss ant that bought IBM’s PC business and that IMMEDIATELY put them on the map. 

Chinese companies never made viable pc computers before then. Chinese companies really didn’t make anything of value. China was a poor backwater shithole before American multinationals started moving in beginning in the 80s. The Chinese didn’t have the technology to make jackshit. It was GREED from soulless lifeless American corporations that set up shop in China to exploit cheap labor and not have an EPA to deal with in order to make more and more money. And in order to gain access these dumbass US multinationals WILLINGLY gave up their trade secrets/tech/ip to China. 

Apple very easily could’ve made their products here, charged the same amount of money for them, people still would’ve bought them by the shitloads and maybe they’d have accumulated $80 billion or $100 billion in cash instead of the TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY billion in CASH they had at one point. That’s nothing but greed. They produce there for one reason and one reasons only- it’s cheaper and they make more money by producing there. 

Apple has spent about $175 billion on stock buybacks. Imagine if they had spent that money investing in American factories and jobs. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 01, 2020, 06:55:29 PM
Doesn’t matter if they want to leave or not. It’s still cheaper for them to produce in China than it is in the US. Even with the tarrifs and wage increases. And these soulless, lifeless mega US multinationals care about nothing more than the bottom line period. The people running them have sold out their own country all in the name of the almighty dollar.
And my point is that when those jobs move out of China, they're not moving to the US. They're moving to other LCCs. 

A lot of the remaining LCCs are Southeast Asia. We haven't yet tried to exploit Africa yet... But wait. 

And as @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) points out, as long as we make pricing decisions based on $, that's what corporations are going to do. 

We've gotten to the point, comparison shopping, that even our "premium" airlines like American, United, Delta, etc are charging to actually select a seat. Because once you have the internet and can look at prices head-to-head, typical travelers will sit outside the airplane on the wing if it saves $3. (Of course, then they'll bitch about the wind noise--because 'Murica.)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 01, 2020, 06:57:42 PM
CCP delayed to act and tried just covering it up at first. If the CCP had taken action 3 weeks earlier than they did- instead of trying to cover it up and DISAPPEAR whistleblowers- when they already KNEW there was a problem- this thing would’ve been contained to China and the number cases China “reported” would’ve been reduced by 95%.

They 100% are lying about the numbers of infected and dead. It’s way more than they are letting on. And it spread like wildfire in Italy because there are a ton of Chinese nationals in the Milan area and a ton of Italian businesses that are owned by Chinese companies. My guess is the spread has more to do with that than any kind of conspiracy.
Maybe the spread has the most to do with the fact that this thing spreads like freakin' crazy. 

Even in Italy, where they've instituted lockdowns for basically 3 weeks, all they can do is get the spread to go from exponential growth to linear growth. 

Sure, the CCP tried to hide this. But I don't think they had any chance of stopping it. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 01, 2020, 07:01:21 PM
Apple very easily could’ve made their products here, charged the same amount of money for them, people still would’ve bought them by the shitloads and maybe they’d have accumulated $80 billion or $100 billion in cash instead of the TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY billion in CASH they had at one point. That’s nothing but greed. They produce there for one reason and one reasons only- it’s cheaper and they make more money by producing there.

Apple has spent about $175 billion on stock buybacks. Imagine if they had spent that money investing in American factories and jobs.
Apple is a strange case. Nobody in any industry they operate in can get the sort of sale prices or gross margins they get. It more closely approximates a cult than anything else to the extent that people will overpay for Apple products compared to other products with similar specifications.

It's like they're a combination of a technology company but with the "brand cachet" of someone like Gucci or Louis Vuitton. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 01, 2020, 07:02:23 PM
... it's weird to see it as a war to me. It just seems like free markets working at their most lubricated. Cheap khaki pants at Walmart won out. 

That is not free markets lol. Free market doesn’t exist here and it sure as hell doesn’t exist in China. 

Khaki pants being made in China is not a big deal. If that’s as far as production moving to China ever went, then China would be nothing more than a bigger, more successful Vietnam.

It’s the high-tech/medical equipment/pharmaceuticals/chemicals/vehicles/battery tech/solar - all the IMPORTANT shit you know- that’s ALL based on AMERICAN TECH/IP that’s the problem. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on April 01, 2020, 07:05:27 PM
Good is not a promise.

As I said, if their weapons work like most of the shit they sell to the world, we have no issues. Their garbage will be in the ocean (well, it is already, in the plastic form) before it gets half way to Hawaii.
The lives of millions bet on confidently underestimating the enemy. 

We've done the latter part before. It often doesn't end well. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on April 01, 2020, 07:06:00 PM
Damn Harbaugh has to get brought up in this?


Every thread turns into a Michigan thread here.
I thought about picking something else, but it was just too delicious. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on April 01, 2020, 07:07:47 PM
That is not free markets lol. Free market doesn’t exist here and it sure as hell doesn’t exist in China.

Khaki pants being made in China is not a big deal. If that’s as far as production moving to China ever went, then China would be nothing more than a bigger, more successful Vietnam.

It’s the high-tech/medical equipment/pharmaceuticals/chemicals/vehicles/battery tech/solar - all the IMPORTANT shit you know- that’s ALL based on AMERICAN TECH/IP that’s the problem.
We allowed our companies to cheaply make shit in china. We as people bought tons and tons of it. That's the market part. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2020, 07:10:36 PM
Maybe the spread has the most to do with the fact that this thing spreads like freakin' crazy.

Even in Italy, where they've instituted lockdowns for basically 3 weeks, all they can do is get the spread to go from exponential growth to linear growth.

Sure, the CCP tried to hide this. But I don't think they had any chance of stopping it.
Or, maybe it had something to do with the CCP covering it up, and sending its "insignificant" lambs out into the world, starting in Italy.


Bring down the US economy? Short-term success.

Collude with Russia to convince them to cut oil by increasing production, thereby hurting the US producers? Short-term success.


The war starts now, and it starts with bringing China down - Economically or otherwise.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 01, 2020, 07:11:26 PM
You’re kind of proving my point for me brother. Lenovo was NOT a serious player at all in the US or European PC market AT ALL until it was gifted tech/name brand recognition by a stupid American company. Lenovo was a piss ant that bought IBM’s PC business and that IMMEDIATELY put them on the map.

Chinese companies never made viable pc computers before then. Chinese companies really didn’t make anything of value. China was a poor backwater shithole before American multinationals started moving in beginning in the 80s. The Chinese didn’t have the technology to make jackshit. It was GREED from soulless lifeless American corporations that set up shop in China to exploit cheap labor and not have an EPA to deal with in order to make more and more money. And in order to gain access these dumbass US multinationals WILLINGLY gave up their trade secrets/tech/ip to China.

Apple very easily could’ve made their products here, charged the same amount of money for them, people still would’ve bought them by the shitloads and maybe they’d have accumulated $80 billion or $100 billion in cash instead of the TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY billion in CASH they had at one point. That’s nothing but greed. They produce there for one reason and one reasons only- it’s cheaper and they make more money by producing there.

Apple has spent about $175 billion on stock buybacks. Imagine if they had spent that money investing in American factories and jobs.

Yes, Lenovo bought IBM's PC business.  That immediately brought them into the same IP range as their competitors.  Once they did that, manufacturing at lower prices than their American competitors was easy to do, especially with subsidies from the Chinese government-- subsidies that they derive from interest money that WE are paying them for owning our debt.

You really don't want to argue the basics of this stuff with me.  Overall I'm agreeing with you, but I can assure you I know the details better than you do.   I've stood up manufacturing lines at Chinese ODMs for American company's products.  I've worked directly with Chinese employees both of my own company, and our ODM vendors, throughout the process.  I know the business.  I know what I'm talking about.

Apple is an outlier and not really part of the overall discussion.  I agree that they could manufacture entirely in the USA and still be alright-- and indeed they've already moved some significant portions of their manufacturing into the USA, with more planned.  Austin is a major hub for that activity.

But computers, displays, most other consumer electronics-- that'a a different story.

Again, American consumers aren't willing to pay more for American goods.  I've literally, directly, performed this exact experiment.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2020, 07:11:51 PM
The lives of millions bet on confidently underestimating the enemy.

We've done the latter part before. It often doesn't end well.
This is different.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 01, 2020, 07:12:36 PM
Highly doubt the CCP would use nukes. First of all their arsenal isn’t that big. They are thought to have 250-300 nuclear warheads. The US has what- like 7,000? The US is still to this day the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons in war. Does China really want to risk getting wiped out with nukes? I don’t think so. We’ve got a shitload more of them than they do. 

America might be a broken country that has morphed into an oligarchy and a society that doesn’t give a shit about one another anymore- but were still pretty damn good at war.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 01, 2020, 07:16:01 PM
... it's weird to see it as a war to me. It just seems like free markets working at their most lubricated. Cheap khaki pants at Walmart won out.

But the Free Markets aren't working.  You CAN'T have free market competition with China, they're not a capitalist country.  The government is so intertwined with the corporations that the government IS the corporations.  Their nationalized banking industry is taking our money from us, funneling it to subsidize their nationalized manufacturing sector, and beating us over the head with it.  

This is NOT the free market at work, at all.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2020, 07:17:09 PM
Highly doubt the CCP would use nukes. First of all their arsenal isn’t that big. They are thought to have 250-300 nuclear warheads. The US has what- like 7,000? The US is still to this day the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons in war. Does China really want to risk getting wiped out with nukes? I don’t think so. We’ve got a shitload more of them than they do.

America might be a broken country that has morphed into an oligarchy and a society that doesn’t give a shit about one another anymore- but were still pretty damn good at war.
To the "elite", perhaps.

The CCP would Nuke their own, rather than go down to us. They just proved this, with this "virus".
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 01, 2020, 07:19:52 PM
They don't want us dead.  They want us consuming their goods.

This isn't a military war and never will be.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 01, 2020, 07:20:24 PM
This is different.
"It's different this time" is possibly the scariest phrase in human history.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 01, 2020, 07:22:26 PM
My, times have changed...

A hundred years ago, the global pandemic came after the world war.

If you guys get your way, the global pandemic will come after and cause the world war this time.

:smiley_confused1:
It'll be a pillow fight,Everbody will be too weak and have to stop and get their breath - except evidently you,CD and maybe 94,Fearless and I will be testing our new schooners
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 01, 2020, 07:25:15 PM
They don't want us dead.  They want us consuming their goods.

This isn't a military war and never will be.
They don’t just want us consuming their goods. They want to end global American hegemony. They want to knock the US off the mountain top of the world stage. They want the entire world consuming their goods and they want influence and power over the entire world. 

We have to end them. Period. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 01, 2020, 07:26:34 PM
They don't want us dead.  They want us consuming their goods.

This isn't a military war and never will be.
You're prolly too young to remember F-Troop - O'Roarke and Agarn - classic.Indians and the cavalry - well they're really not all that
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 01, 2020, 07:27:58 PM
 They want to knock the US off the mountain top of the world stage. 
Hell we'll do that ourselves
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 01, 2020, 07:29:33 PM
It'll be a pillow fight,Everbody will be too weak and have to stop and get their breath - except evidently you,CD and maybe 94,Fearless and I will be testing our new schooners
Mmmmmmm schooners.


Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 01, 2020, 07:30:38 PM
"It's different this time" is possibly the scariest phrase in human history.
I dunno WW I and the Spanish flu just off the top of my head
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 01, 2020, 07:30:58 PM
Hell we'll do that ourselves
True lol. We’ve been doing that ourselves consistently over the last 30 years. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2020, 07:36:36 PM
True lol. We’ve been doing that ourselves consistently over the last 30 years.
Snowflakes, move aside and resume your positions in your safe spaces.

We got this. 

Hopefully you'll appreciate it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 01, 2020, 07:38:21 PM
I dunno WW I and the Spanish flu just off the top of my head
I was thinking of the dot com boom of the late 90s and the mortgage boom of the mid-2000s as options... Financial bubbles are often propped up by people who claim "it's different this time" and have plausible-sounding rationale for why it's actually different this time... 

The human capability for self-deception is something to behold...
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 01, 2020, 07:47:48 PM
Looking at the numbers across the globe...

Italy appears to have achieved linearity WRT both daily new cases and deaths. However, it's questionable whether any of these are decreasing, although Mar 29-31 are showing lower new case rates than previous [not yet reflected in death rates but I expect a lag there].

Spain showing linearity in daily new cases and deaths. Also no indication of decrease in either, just linear rather than exponential growth.

South Korea (one of the "best" responses, or so is believed) showing very low relative new case numbers compared to peak new infection rates. Deaths are not worth tracking because the sample size is SO low that the difference between 3 daily deaths and 10 looks HUGE on a bar graph but if the day after is 4, it doesn't mean much.

Norway and Sweden are an interesting case. Norway is following the lockdown/social distancing protocols. Sweden announced they're not going to do that. So it's a good comparison. Norway has linearity on new infections, and so far death rates are too minimal to draw any trends. Sweden doesn't show a HUGE exponential trend on new infections, but it's definitely non-linear. Death rates in Sweden look exponential, though. So both countries might be interesting to watch to see how different policies are affecting the results.

As for the US? With still some reporting to go today, we've hit new records for daily new infections and daily deaths. So we're not approaching linearity yet, nor "flattening the curve" which would require seeing some decreases in daily case rates.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 01, 2020, 07:58:23 PM
The "daily new cases" data is pretty irrelevant,at least here in the USA.

I believe we're currently just barely dipping our toe into testing into a much, much larger population of already existing infections.  So basically, all an increasing rate on "confirmed cases" tells us, is that our testing is increasing overall.  The exponential growth we're seeing is nothing more than an artifact of increasing testing rates around the country, as more and more testing facilities come online and tests are more widely available around the country.

Note, that doesn't mean I don't think the growth rate of infection of the virus itself isn't exponential, I just don't believe our testing has any way of determining that.  And it likely never will, in this country, for this particular virus.

So for me, the only real statistic worth tracking, is death rate.  When that begins flattening out, we'll know we're getting somewhere.  The rate of increase (or even decrease) of "confirmed cases" is meaningless if it doesn't correlate to the deltas in the death rate.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 01, 2020, 08:05:21 PM
The "daily new cases" data is pretty irrelevant,at least here in the USA.

I believe we're currently testing into a much, much larger population of already existing infections.  Basically all an increasing rate on "confirmed cases" tells us, is that our testing is increasing overall.  The exponential growth we're seeing is an artifact of increasing testing rates around the country, as more and more testing facilities come online and tests are more widely available around the country.

So for me, the only real statistic worth tracking, is death rate.  When that begins flattening out, we'll know we're getting somewhere.  The rate of increase (or even decrease) of "confirmed cases" is meaningless if it doesn't correlate to the deltas in the death rate.

Agreed. And one aspect of the modulation of the case rate, where we go from strongly exponential to much more weakly exponential, appears to be limits in NY. They've been only testing ~20K cases per day over the last week+, which suggests that their case rate can't go strongly exponential if their test capability isn't ramping exponentially. I think a lot of the exponential areas are other parts of the country where they're ramping testing rates.

Death rates are somewhat noisy when the numbers are small, but I think we've moved well beyond that. So I agree that it's more important now to be looking at death rates rather than confirmed cases. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on April 01, 2020, 08:27:22 PM
Highly doubt the CCP would use nukes. First of all their arsenal isn’t that big. They are thought to have 250-300 nuclear warheads. The US has what- like 7,000? The US is still to this day the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons in war. Does China really want to risk getting wiped out with nukes? I don’t think so. We’ve got a shitload more of them than they do.

A desperate authoritarian backed into a corner? They might not care. 

And even if we have more, that still implies being willing to risk the potential of millions of people incinerated. And we won't if not provoked by something somewhat real. And this mostly ain't it. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 01, 2020, 08:30:05 PM
A desperate authoritarian backed into a corner? They might not care.
Wait, are we still talking about China?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on April 01, 2020, 08:31:03 PM
This is different.
In what sense would it be different?

I'm just saying, anything that starts with, that military is more backward and toppling them on their turf will be easy sound like textbook overconfidence. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 01, 2020, 08:31:58 PM
Agreed. And one aspect of the modulation of the case rate, where we go from strongly exponential to much more weakly exponential, appears to be limits in NY. They've been only testing ~20K cases per day over the last week+, which suggests that their case rate can't go strongly exponential if their test capability isn't ramping exponentially. I think a lot of the exponential areas are other parts of the country where they're ramping testing rates.

Death rates are somewhat noisy when the numbers are small, but I think we've moved well beyond that. So I agree that it's more important now to be looking at death rates rather than confirmed cases.
For sure, the noise in the system is diminishing, and the real data is beginning to roll in.

I'll just add a blanket "Unfortunately" to all of this because while I discuss the analytics dispassionately, I understand the deaths are all real people and loved ones.  Some of us are going to lose someone we know, probably well, and it's really possible we'll lose loved ones.  That all sucks really really badly.

And I suspect that, sooner rather than later, we as a nation are going to have to make a decision that might further jeopardize those loves ones in the most at-risk groups.  But realistically, this nation isn't built for prolonged periods of inactivity.  It's going to get wild, and dangerous, if we don't relieve the pressure, likely sooner than we'd prefer.


Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on April 01, 2020, 08:40:48 PM
For sure, the noise in the system is diminishing, and the real data is beginning to roll in.

I'll just add a blanket "Unfortunately" to all of this because while I discuss the analytics dispassionately, I understand the deaths are all real people and loved ones.  Some of us are going to lose someone we know, probably well, and it's really possible we'll lose loved ones.  That all sucks really really badly.

And I suspect that, sooner rather than later, we as a nation are going to have to make a decision that might further jeopardize those loves ones in the most at-risk groups.  But realistically, this nation isn't built for prolonged periods of inactivity.  It's going to get wild, and dangerous, if we don't relieve the pressure, likely sooner than we'd prefer.



I can't recall if it was on here, but someone suggested the big test is gonna be when we can start testing people to see if they have antibodies (assuming you can't catch it twice). Once we start getting people on the other side, perhaps they can start getting after it. 

It would also be nice so we can find the truth of folks saying "I felt bad in December, must've been it."
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 01, 2020, 08:46:14 PM
For sure, the noise in the system is diminishing, and the real data is beginning to roll in.

I'll just add a blanket "Unfortunately" to all of this because while I discuss the analytics dispassionately, I understand the deaths are all real people and loved ones.  Some of us are going to lose someone we know, probably well, and it's really possible we'll lose loved ones.  That all sucks really really badly.

And I suspect that, sooner rather than later, we as a nation are going to have to make a decision that might further jeopardize those loves ones in the most at-risk groups.  But realistically, this nation isn't built for prolonged periods of inactivity.  It's going to get wild, and dangerous, if we don't relieve the pressure, likely sooner than we'd prefer.
Yeah... I'm a data geek, so this is a fascinating thing to analyze. 

But... Yeah. If either of my parents got it, their prognosis would be dire. If my father-in-law got it, I don't know how comorbid Szogren's Syndrome is, but I don't want to find out. 

When I got the kids last Friday I found out they were strolling around Balboa Island with their grandparents... When I sent them back this morning I had to tell their mom "uhh, don't freakin' do that..." I'm actually less worried about the kids, or even them bringing something to my wife and I. We're in age/health cohorts that aren't at high risk. But I can't imagine my son--who idolizes my ex's dad--having to wonder if he passes whether he infected his grandpa.

I don't see this slowing down anytime soon...
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on April 01, 2020, 08:51:26 PM
Since we're talking data, I'm interested in presentation. 

I'm looking at a chart of daily deaths. It jumped from 588 to 912 to 1,094 the past three days. This doesn't necessarily mean anything other than us knowing more. It wouldn't make sense to hold back on that data, but it obviously induces certain feelings presented that way (it's bad, but there's a range of how bad). 

I wonder if there's a more context-ed way to present it. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 01, 2020, 09:15:23 PM
I was thinking of the dot com boom of the late 90s and the mortgage boom of the mid-2000s as options... Financial bubbles are often propped up by people who claim "it's different this time" and have plausible-sounding rationale for why it's actually different this time...

The human capability for self-deception is something to behold...
Misread it as phase - bit of a difference
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 01, 2020, 09:18:41 PM
Looking at the numbers across the globe...

Norway and Sweden are an interesting case. So both countries might be interesting to watch to see how different policies are affecting the results.

Who ever has the most Lutefisk will prevail or pickled herring
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 01, 2020, 09:22:45 PM
A desperate authoritarian backed into a corner? They might not care.
So,New Yorkers
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: ELA on April 02, 2020, 12:03:01 AM
No British Open
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 02, 2020, 07:39:43 AM
I'll admit it is a tad bit morbid w/o sports but the not having pools/squares or even a side bet to spice events up is a grind.As long as it's a healthy grind
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 02, 2020, 08:40:43 AM
No British Open
They canceled the tennis too.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 02, 2020, 09:02:18 AM
IF this thing peaks in mid-April (which obviously is a ????), the current trend is terrible.  The US had 1,000 yesterday, if that doubles each day to the 15th and then does the reverse going down, we'd have 2,000 on the 3rd and so on.  We hit 1.6 million on the 15th.

Hopefully it doesn't get anywhere remotely near that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 02, 2020, 09:09:43 AM
IF this thing peaks in mid-April (which obviously is a ????), the current trend is terrible.  The US had 1,000 yesterday, if that doubles each day to the 15th and then does the reverse going down, we'd have 2,000 on the 3rd and so on.  We hit 1.6 million on the 15th.

Hopefully it doesn't get anywhere remotely near that.

I don't think it's currently doubling every day, is it?  Doubling rate is still between 2-3 days last I looked.  I mean, it's still bad, but not quite as bad.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 02, 2020, 09:12:54 AM
I don't think it's currently doubling every day, is it?  Doubling rate is still between 2-3 days last I looked.  I mean, it's still bad, but not quite as bad.


Correct.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 02, 2020, 09:16:58 AM
Also, we're now on day 21 since a large part of the country began serious social distancing efforts, large gatherings were canceled and then prohibited, etc.  As a nation, we haven't been perfect by any means, but there's also no doubt that a very large amount of contact has been eliminated.

So IF our efforts are going to have any effect on the spread of the virus, we should start seeing those death rates bending down in the next 1-7 days, since the infection---> death timing seems to be around 3-4 weeks. 

If we don't see a large bend downward over the next week, well, it means our efforts aren't helping.  And THAT means, there's no point in continuing them.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 02, 2020, 09:27:38 AM
I don't know about that UTee. I think we have only started to see the beginning of the spring break stupidity. Hell, as of LAST WEEKEND there were still some crowded beaches in Florida.

https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1243990179557359616
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 02, 2020, 09:28:21 AM
For the record, Duval County is Jacksonville. St. John's is just South.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 02, 2020, 09:42:41 AM
Florida is likely to be a shitshow.  New York already is.

The nation as a whole, is doing better than the hot spots.

Take a look at California-- data seems pretty good there, compared to the population and population density.  I'd expect worse, and so far it's not happening.  That's a great sign.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 02, 2020, 09:44:54 AM
I'll say this again-- I think the parts of the country that have been buckled down since mid-March, are only going to be able to continue to the end of April at the longest.  Then, things are going to get ugly.  There are already millions out of work.  Hundreds of thousands starting to starve.

The risk utility function is going to look very, very different if/when those people become violent.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 02, 2020, 09:47:21 AM
I read "somewhere" it may start doubling every day, not that it has already.  Let's presume it increases by 1.3x each day, that puts us at 160,000 total by April 15, and a like amount "on the way down".  At 1.2x, we hit 76,000 total by mid April.

So, that increase per day factor merits attention.

https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/04/01/white-house-coronavirus-death-models-scarpino (https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/04/01/white-house-coronavirus-death-models-scarpino)





Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 02, 2020, 09:49:25 AM
If we don't see a large bend downward over the next week, well, it means our efforts aren't helping.  And THAT means, there's no point in continuing them.
I disagree with this CD left a great link a few pages back.There will be a leveling off and the precautions can play a big roll to start trimming this thing back.This is a classic case of patience is a virtue,throwing caution to the wind would be disasterous at this point
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 02, 2020, 09:52:52 AM
Take a look at California-- data seems pretty good there, compared to the population and population density.  I'd expect worse, and so far it's not happening.  That's a great sign.
The Spicoli's are taking things serious - good on them
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 02, 2020, 09:57:05 AM
The risk utility function is going to look very, very different if/when those people become violent.
Could get there and hope/pray not
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 02, 2020, 10:00:05 AM
I disagree with this CD left a great link a few pages back.There will be a leveling off and the precautions can play a big roll to start trimming this thing back.This is a classic case of patience is a virtue,throwing caution to the wind would be disasterous at this point
We've got to flatten.  If we're doing all of this distancing, and don't see the flattening, it means we're doing the wrong thing.

Also, I'm getting really annoyed with folks saying things like, "we can't end the quarantines and risk the virus spreading just for the sake of the economy."

Because, "The Economy" isn't a thing.  It's the millions that are out of work that are a thing.  It's the hundreds of thousands that are in danger of starving, that are a thing.

I don't give one flying shit about "The Economy." I do care about the people in danger of starving, and the violence that could result from that.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 02, 2020, 10:03:44 AM
I read "somewhere" it may start doubling every day, not that it has already.  Let's presume it increases by 1.3x each day, that puts us at 160,000 total by April 15, and a like amount "on the way down".  At 1.2x, we hit 76,000 total by mid April.

So, that increase per day factor merits attention.

https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/04/01/white-house-coronavirus-death-models-scarpino (https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/04/01/white-house-coronavirus-death-models-scarpino)







It's not even close to doubling every day here in the USA, and I'm pretty sure neither Italy nor Spain nor any other country has ever reported daily doubling in deaths.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on April 02, 2020, 10:04:42 AM
We've got to flatten.  If we're doing all of this distancing, and don't see the flattening, it means we're doing the wrong thing.

Also, I'm getting really annoyed with folks saying things like, "we can't end the quarantines and risk the virus spreading just for the sake of the economy."

Because, "The Economy" isn't a thing.  It's the millions that are out of work that are a thing.  It's the hundreds of thousands that are in danger of starving, that are a thing.

I don't give one flying shit about "The Economy." I do care about the people in danger of starving, and the violence that could result from that. 
I assume the worry is that if it spikes and hospitals are overwhelmed, you see an economic crash anyway. Maybe not this severe, but if people see images of older folks turned away at hospitals, they'll stay home (ideally). 

There's also gonna be a follow up medical crisis because older folks with chronic issues are probably putting off some things for fear of doctors offices. 

The many externalities are just bad, bad, bad
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 02, 2020, 10:07:57 AM
what is the actual fatality rate? I believe they are saying it’s under 2% in the US. 

But how many millions of people have been exposed to this thing and had little to no symptoms and never got tested. There was a study done by a European country I think it was Sweden or something that suggests that nearly 50% of the people who contract this virus don’t even get sick. 

All I know is, I was sicker than a dog for almost two weeks in the middle of January. Never in my life got that sick from a regular flu. I think it’s possible that I may have already had this thing already and got better. I can guarantee you this thing was circulating in the US well before March. 

So far there have been 5,000 deaths in the US. This is a country close to 350 million people if you’re including illegals. We can’t shut down the entire country and risk going into a depression over a disease that quiet honestly just isn’t that deadly. If it was a disease like Ebola that had a fatality rate of 60% or something insane like that- sure- shut the shit down. 

I think a lot of this hysteria is driven by the media and by people that want to take down Trump. This virus is terrible don’t get me wrong, any amount of people dying is just sad, but I honestly don’t believe it’s as bad as “they” say it is. Millions and millions of people aren’t going to die from this. And millions and millions wouldn’t have died even if they didn’t lock everything down.

China still needs to be dealt with over this however just purely based on the economic damage that this thing is doing and also because of the potential that something a lot worse could come out of those disgusting wildlife wet markets. I don’t get how the CCP didn’t permanently shut down the wet markets after the SARS outbreak in 2003-2004. The damn CCP let them open right back up. Freaking morons. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 02, 2020, 10:12:39 AM
California's data isn't very good: https://covidtracking.com/data/state/california#history (https://covidtracking.com/data/state/california#history)

The state only appears to have tested 30,000 people. They only appear to be clearing through ~2-3000 tests per day. They keep reporting ~64K "pending" tests and we don't really know what the heck that means. 

I say "appear" because it's unclear if they're actually reporting actual number of negative tests correctly, so we don't know if their total number of tests are accurate. 

However, based on the hard numbers, they show (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/) 215 deaths and 9936 confirmed cases, a case fatality rate of about 2.15%. New York's case fatality rate currently sits at 2.64%. 

So unless California is mis-counting deaths for some reason, maybe they're doing a good job? 

Or maybe it's about to explode.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 02, 2020, 10:14:33 AM
what is the actual fatality rate? I believe they are saying it’s under 2% in the US.

But how many millions of people have been exposed to this thing and had little to no symptoms and never got tested. There was a study done by a European country I think it was Sweden or something that suggests that nearly 50% of the people who contract this virus don’t even get sick.

All I know is, I was sicker than a dog for almost two weeks in the middle of January. Never in my life got that sick from a regular flu. I think it’s possible that I may have already had this thing already and got better. I can guarantee you this thing was circulating in the US well before March.

So far there have been 5,000 deaths in the US. This is a country close to 350 million people if you’re including illegals. We can’t shut down the entire country and risk going into a depression over a disease that quiet honestly just isn’t that deadly. If it was a disease like Ebola that had a fatality rate of 60% or something insane like that- sure- shut the shit down.

I think a lot of this hysteria is driven by the media and by people that want to take down Trump. This virus is terrible don’t get me wrong, any amount of people dying is just sad, but I honestly don’t believe it’s as bad as “they” say it is. Millions and millions of people aren’t going to die from this. And millions and millions wouldn’t have died even if they didn’t lock everything down.

China still needs to be dealt with over this however just purely based on the economic damage that this thing is doing and also because of the potential that something a lot worse could come out of those disgusting wildlife wet markets. I don’t get how the CCP didn’t permanently shut down the wet markets after the SARS outbreak in 2003-2004. The damn CCP let them open right back up. Freaking morons.

They're already reopening in China at this very moment.

Actual fatality rate based on a model I've been running is around .6%.  When all is said and done I suspect it'll remain below 1%, but it's much more infectious than flu or SARS or any of the other things it's being compared to, so that still translates to a lot of deaths, depending on total population penetration%.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 02, 2020, 10:15:34 AM
California's data isn't very good: https://covidtracking.com/data/state/california#history (https://covidtracking.com/data/state/california#history)

The state only appears to have tested 30,000 people. They only appear to be clearing through ~2-3000 tests per day. They keep reporting ~64K "pending" tests and we don't really know what the heck that means.

I say "appear" because it's unclear if they're actually reporting actual number of negative tests correctly, so we don't know if their total number of tests are accurate.

However, based on the hard numbers, they show (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/) 215 deaths and 9936 confirmed cases, a case fatality rate of about 2.15%. New York's case fatality rate currently sits at 2.64%.

So unless California is mis-counting deaths for some reason, maybe they're doing a good job?

Or maybe it's about to explode.

Yeah, like I said last night, I'm only looking at deaths and death rates.  Looking at "cases" is completely useless, for all of the reasons you outline above.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 02, 2020, 10:19:20 AM
They're already reopening in China at this very moment.

Actual fatality rate based on a model I've been running is around .6%.  When all is said and done I suspect it'll remain below 1%, but it's much more infectious than flu or SARS or any of the other things it's being compared to, so that still translates to a lot of deaths, depending on total population penetration%.
Are you serious? That is reason enough for the world to declare war on China imo. CCP needs to permanently shut down the wildlife wet markets or the militaries of the world should invade and do it for them. Those wildlife wet markets are a ticking time bomb of bio WMDs.

I think your model is probably right. Under 1% is probably what this thing is actually at.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 02, 2020, 10:19:29 AM
what is the actual fatality rate? I believe they are saying it’s under 2% in the US.

But how many millions of people have been exposed to this thing and had little to no symptoms and never got tested. There was a study done by a European country I think it was Sweden or something that suggests that nearly 50% of the people who contract this virus don’t even get sick. 
I think you hit on the key issue here and unfortunately, there just isn't enough data (except maybe in S Korea) to answer this question.  

Early on they were talking ~5% fatality rate.  In our country of, as you said, 350M including everyone that is almost 20M people if everybody gets it.  

My understanding now is that the scary-high fatality rates they talked about early on were based on deaths/confirmed cases.  That, however, was highly flawed because the "confirmed cases" only counts people who actually got tested and tested positive.  With tests being limited to only the cases bad enough to be hospitalized that is a HIGHLY flawed figure because the denominator isn't "all cases", it is actually something more like "all cases bad enough to be hospitalized and tested".  

There is an ENORMOUS difference between:

My understanding is that the S Korean's are either already testing everyone or they are getting close to it.  That data could prove extremely informative.  If they test everyone then we should be able to get, from them, the total number of S Koreans that have had it.  Then you can divide S Korean fatalities by S Korean cases and get the ACTUAL fatality rate.  

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 02, 2020, 10:23:21 AM
what is the actual fatality rate? I believe they are saying it’s under 2% in the US.

But how many millions of people have been exposed to this thing and had little to no symptoms and never got tested. There was a study done by a European country I think it was Sweden or something that suggests that nearly 50% of the people who contract this virus don’t even get sick.
It's a hard question to answer. Often we can only know the "case fatality rate", i.e. the rate of confirmed cases to the number of deaths. That's not the true mortality rate, because it doesn't include mild or asymptomatic cases. 

From everything I've been reading, actual mortality rate is closer to 1.2% according to best estimates. 

I've seen a lot of people trying to compare this to the flu or to H1N1. This thing appears to have far a higher true mortality rate than either, and may be more transmissible to boot. Bad combination...


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I think a lot of this hysteria is driven by the media and by people that want to take down Trump. This virus is terrible don’t get me wrong, any amount of people dying is just sad, but I honestly don’t believe it’s as bad as “they” say it is. Millions and millions of people aren’t going to die from this. And millions and millions wouldn’t have died even if they didn’t lock everything down.
Italy went on lockdown long before anywhere in the US did so. Basically all of Europe has done the same. Are they shutting down their own economies just to take down Trump?

Plus, anyone trying to take down Trump should understand that one thing that tends to galvanize support around whatever leader is currently in the White House is a true crisis. Whether it's 9/11, or a war, or a pandemic. His approval numbers have improved, and even the rating of how he's handling COVID-19 is apparently a 60% approval. It's a psychological thing. He's POTUS, and openly rooting against him right now looks like you're rooting for him to fail in handling COVID-19, which means that you're rooting for the virus over him. 

Maybe the much simpler answer is that politicians all around the world listened to their health experts who said "get your head out of your rear and take action, becuase this sh!t is the real deal."
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 02, 2020, 10:25:52 AM
There is also an actuarial question to consider on the fatality rate issue.  

First let me acknowledge that all deaths are sad, I'm not disputing that.  That said, if a 10 year old dies of COVID-19 that deprives them, actuarially, of of somewhere around 70 years of life.  If an 85 year old with extensive co-morbidity factors dies, that deprives them of ~1 year of life.  

Both are sad, but the 10 year old is a much bigger cost in terms of life lost because that cost ~70 years of life vs ~1 year.  

I don't know how this is actually working.  We keep being told that 60+ or 65+ are high risk.  Anecdotally, the 85 year old in my example above wasn't hypothetical.  He was a guy who I have known my entire life who would have turned 86 yesterday but he died on Sunday of COVID-19.  

His death is sad, no doubt.  That said, his death of COVID-19 probably deprived him of ~1 year of life given his age and co-morbidity factors.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 02, 2020, 10:32:29 AM
Anecdotally, the 85 year old in my example above wasn't hypothetical.  He was a guy who I have known my entire life who would have turned 86 yesterday but he died on Sunday of COVID-19. 
Just to tie this thread back to CFB and share this with the group:

The guy I know who died of COVID-19 was the Superintendent of my County's Career Center (JVS).  He retired many years ago.  I knew him because he was in a Service Club with me and before that because he knew my grandmother and parents.  

Here is my fondest memory of him:
My brother and I went to Tempe, Arizona for the NC game against Miami back in 2003 ('02 season).  We had no idea that Chuck and his wife Sue were also in Tempe.  As my brother and I were walking down the street a couple of blocks from Sun Devil Stadium I heard someone yell my name.  I turned and looked and it was Chuck.  That was ~17 years ago so he would have been ~68.  He and his wife were in Tempe for the game.  They were HUGE Ohio State fans and both were graduates of Ohio State.  Chuck and Sue were eating on the restaurant's outdoor patio and saw us so they yelled and came over and chatted with us for a few minutes.  Anyway, great guy and a very sad loss.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 02, 2020, 10:37:14 AM
There is also an actuarial question to consider on the fatality rate issue. 

First let me acknowledge that all deaths are sad, I'm not disputing that.  That said, if a 10 year old dies of COVID-19 that deprives them, actuarially, of of somewhere around 70 years of life.  If an 85 year old with extensive co-morbidity factors dies, that deprives them of ~1 year of life. 

Both are sad, but the 10 year old is a much bigger cost in terms of life lost because that cost ~70 years of life vs ~1 year. 

I don't know how this is actually working.  We keep being told that 60+ or 65+ are high risk.  Anecdotally, the 85 year old in my example above wasn't hypothetical.  He was a guy who I have known my entire life who would have turned 86 yesterday but he died on Sunday of COVID-19. 

His death is sad, no doubt.  That said, his death of COVID-19 probably deprived him of ~1 year of life given his age and co-morbidity factors. 

A report from Italy that I read a few days ago, suggested that a lot of the deaths from COVID19, would have ended in death by the end of the year anyway, based on their underlying conditions.

That's one of the factors that will need to be considered as well, if government leaders believe they want to extend the quarantines much further than they already have.

It's an ugly discussion for sure.  They're ALL ugly discussions at this point.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 02, 2020, 10:40:02 AM
this is a piece on the wet markets in China from 60 Minutes Australia....don’t watch if you’ve got a weak stomach...

https://youtu.be/Y7nZ4mw4mXw
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 02, 2020, 10:41:56 AM
They're already reopening in China at this very moment.
Yeah, but apparently their version of "reopening" is more stringent than our version of "lockdown"...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/china-revs-its-engine-to-move-past-coronavirus-but-its-stuck-in-second-gear/2020/03/31/13c81b20-7230-11ea-ad9b-254ec99993bc_story.html

Quote
People are allowed out of their residential complexes only if they have a return-to-work pass issued by their employer, and only if the government-issued health code on their cellphone glows green — not orange or red — to show that they are healthy and cleared for travel. Residents report that some complexes deemed infection-free have quietly lost that status, without explanation.

In the malls that opened this week, people must stand five feet apart on escalators, and clothes that customers have tried on must be sprayed with disinfectant. Subway passengers must wear masks and sit two seats apart; footage on state media showed near-deserted cars and stations.
China's doing a lot wrong here, but I think it's not clear to say they're "reopening" in the sense it would mean to most of us. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 02, 2020, 10:43:21 AM
Yeah, but apparently their version of "reopening" is more stringent than our version of "lockdown"...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/china-revs-its-engine-to-move-past-coronavirus-but-its-stuck-in-second-gear/2020/03/31/13c81b20-7230-11ea-ad9b-254ec99993bc_story.html
China's doing a lot wrong here, but I think it's not clear to say they're "reopening" in the sense it would mean to most of us.

I'm speaking specifically on the wet markets reopening.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on April 02, 2020, 10:46:19 AM

1. All I know is, I was sicker than a dog for almost two weeks in the middle of January. Never in my life got that sick from a regular flu. I think it’s possible that I may have already had this thing already and got better. I can guarantee you this thing was circulating in the US well before March.

2. So far there have been 5,000 deaths in the US. This is a country close to 350 million people if you’re including illegals. We can’t shut down the entire country and risk going into a depression over a disease that quiet honestly just isn’t that deadly. If it was a disease like Ebola that had a fatality rate of 60% or something insane like that- sure- shut the shit down.

3. I think a lot of this hysteria is driven by the media and by people that want to take down Trump. This virus is terrible don’t get me wrong, any amount of people dying is just sad, but I honestly don’t believe it’s as bad as “they” say it is. Millions and millions of people aren’t going to die from this. And millions and millions wouldn’t have died even if they didn’t lock everything down.
I'll address these by the numbers
1. I've seen all sort of people saying, I felt like crap at some point this winter, very possible that was this. And while it is, lots of things are possible. I might have the start of tumors forming in my body. My shoulder hurts, so it's possible I have the start of a torn rotator cuff. But I'm not going to act as if those things are the case. (Fortunately a test for that may be coming)

2. The problem with the "so far" thing is just that. It's so far. And we've not hit any real hospital issues yet. God willing it stays that way, but it just a massive unknown. I was talking to someone like two weeks ago who wondered the same thing, pointing to Italy. In less than two weeks, their numbers doubled. Now a lot of that is testing, but just sticking with the data we have right now has holes.

3. Are you referring to the media and such political people as one group or two? From what I've read, it's a disaster financial for media, as advertising is the first cut in hard times. (there was also plenty of media saying it wouldn't be bad, but that's another talk). Anyway, if you believe the ... uh, scientists, they projected several million would die. Maybe they're wrong, but they're at worst, a more informed wrong than an "honest belief" of someone who very much wants it to not be that bad. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on April 02, 2020, 10:50:54 AM
A report from Italy that I read a few days ago, suggested that a lot of the deaths from COVID19, would have ended in death by the end of the year anyway, based on their underlying conditions.

That's one of the factors that will need to be considered as well, if government leaders believe they want to extend the quarantines much further than they already have.

It's an ugly discussion for sure.  They're ALL ugly discussions at this point.
I saw the underlying conditions part, not the dead in the next year part. I wish there was a list of such underlying conditions, just because lots of people live with things that could be considered underlying conditions, some that are mostly manageable but for such a situation. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 02, 2020, 10:54:23 AM
If you've ever been to Italy, you'd know that almost everyone is a chain smoker. If I had to guess, I'd call it 75 percent being heavy smokers.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 02, 2020, 10:57:59 AM
If you've ever been to Italy, you'd know that almost everyone is a chain smoker. If I had to guess, I'd call it 75 percent being heavy smokers.
I haven't been to Europe since 1989.  Back then I thought the same thing but back then smoking was MUCH more prevalent here as well.  How long has it been since you were in Italy?  

I'm just curious because if they are anything like the US then I would guess that if your information is 10 years old it is worthless.  I don't know, just guessing.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 02, 2020, 11:00:36 AM
If you've ever been to Italy, you'd know that almost everyone is a chain smoker. If I had to guess, I'd call it 75 percent being heavy smokers.
And if you’ve ever been to Italy, you’d know Italy is also like the oldest country in the world. 

There are more old ass people in Italy than just about anywhere I’ve ever been. And they don’t stay in the home- they get out and about in public and around people.

And actually I think I read that Italy had the 2nd highest % of people 65+ in their population. Only Japan has an older population than Italy.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 02, 2020, 11:08:40 AM
All I know is, I was sicker than a dog for almost two weeks in the middle of January. Never in my life got that sick from a regular flu. I think it’s possible that I may have already had this thing already and got better. I can guarantee you this thing was circulating in the US well before March.
If that's the case in a strange way you are fortunate then
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on April 02, 2020, 11:10:47 AM
I haven't followed this very closely but do we know with any certainty the source of this virus?

was it definitely from a "wet market"?  Was it from eating bats?

can we even pin point it's origin to China?

some folks think the Spanish flu from 1918 was originated in Kansas
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 02, 2020, 11:10:53 AM
I haven't been to Europe since 1989.  Back then I thought the same thing but back then smoking was MUCH more prevalent here as well.  How long has it been since you were in Italy? 

I'm just curious because if they are anything like the US then I would guess that if your information is 10 years old it is worthless.  I don't know, just guessing. 
9 months. They are not like here. Every table has an ash tray on it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 02, 2020, 11:11:29 AM
I saw the underlying conditions part, not the dead in the next year part. I wish there was a list of such underlying conditions, just because lots of people live with things that could be considered underlying conditions, some that are mostly manageable but for such a situation.
I get what you are saying but I'll give you two examples:

First, the 85 year old that I mentioned above.  I know he had at least two prior cancer episodes.  I don't know all of his health information.  I keyed what I knew and some decent guesses into John Hancock's Life Expectancy Calculator and got "86 years" as his life expectancy.  That is one year older than the 85 that he was when he got COVID-19.  Ie, COVID cost him ~1 year of life.  

Second, my dad.  My dad is 79.  He has hearth disease (multiple prior attacks, multiple stents, etc) and he has advanced dementia.  I hope COVID-19 doesn't get him.  I have he and my mom staying in their house and I'm dropping off groceries and prescriptions for them.  I'm doing everything I can to keep them alive.  That said, if COVID-19 does get my dad, it isn't going to take, actuarially, more than a year or two away from him.  His age and co-morbidity factors realistically have already set that in stone.  

A note on statistics:
On a one-to-one basis this is all poppycock.  In the absence of COVID-19 Chuck (the 85 year old I know who died of COVID-19) might have lived to 100 or he might have died of heart failure today instead of COVID-19 four days ago.  Same for my dad.  If he avoids COVID-19 he might die tomorrow or live to 100.  On an individual basis we can't know.  However, on a large-scale we can predict these things very accurately.  If you group together 100 or 1,000 or 10,000 people in similar situations to Chuck or in similar situations to my dad you can predict with VERY high accuracy that:

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on April 02, 2020, 11:13:32 AM
I haven't followed this very closely but do we know with any certainty the source of this virus?

was it definitely from a "wet market"?  Was it from eating bats?

can we even pin point it's origin to China?

some folks think the Spanish flu from 1918 was originated in Kansas
A. I think they pinpointed it to animals (bird or bats) that crapped on the ground. Pigs eat the crap. People eat the pigs. 

B. The Spanish flu was called that because Spain was the only country not pretending it wasn't happening because they were not at war and not censoring newspapers. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 02, 2020, 11:13:49 AM
9 months. They are not like here. Every table has an ash tray on it.
Ok, just curious.  I hope you understood my question as genuine curiosity rather than opposition.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on April 02, 2020, 11:15:00 AM
I was sick with a respiratory illness way back in October.

I rarely go to the doctor for anything, but had a trip planned to the Husker/gopher game in Minneapolis and thought antibiotics might help.

I was checked for flu and strep, all tests came back negative.  Was told it was probably a virus and would have to run it's course.

I felt crappy while in Minneapolis that weekend, but survived the trip.

I'm hoping it was Covid and I'm over it, but not sure the virus was here in October.  Obviously I'm not a world traveler.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 02, 2020, 11:15:26 AM
At this point I believe we still don't know whether having contracted and survived COVID-19 confers immunity, or for how long. 

So while "getting better" is obviously more fortunate than the alternative, it's unclear whether that protects at all against reinfection. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 02, 2020, 11:15:41 AM
And if you’ve ever been to Italy, you’d know Italy is also like the oldest country in the world.

There are more old ass people in Italy than just about anywhere I’ve ever been. And they don’t stay in the home- they get out and about in public and around people.

And actually I think I read that Italy had the 2nd highest % of people 65+ in their population. Only Japan has an older population than Italy.
Yep, Italy is an older population (like Florida, kinda). They are also very social and touchy and kissy people, in general. Even when they started their shutdown, people were gathering in piazzas. It's what they do. Since they've gone to patrolling, people are staying home, for real.


Germany has very strict rules. I talked to my buddy on what's app the other day and he said only one person is allowed to leave the house for groceries (and beer) at a time. The stores can only have 2 customers at a time (they don't have Kroger/Publix type stores there). Germany is doing VERY well with this thing, by the way. Of course, they have a robust healthcare system, like ours and maybe even better, as opposed to state-run healthcare systems in Italy, Spain, etc.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 02, 2020, 11:16:40 AM
Ok, just curious.  I hope you understood my question as genuine curiosity rather than opposition. 
For sure. I know you're not like that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 02, 2020, 11:17:20 AM
A. I think they pinpointed it to animals (bird or bats) that crapped on the ground. Pigs eat the crap. People eat the pigs.

B. The Spanish flu was called that because Spain was the only country not pretending it wasn't happening because they were not at war and not censoring newspapers.
A. Wait, I thought stomach acid would kill it, no?  If you ate infected pig wouldn't that not transfer because either:

B. I always thought it was funny that it was called the "Spanish Flu" because my understanding is that it originated in Turkey and the Spanish just basically got blamed for it.  

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 02, 2020, 11:19:19 AM
I haven't followed this very closely but do we know with any certainty the source of this virus?

was it definitely from a "wet market"?  Was it from eating bats?

can we even pin point it's origin to China?

some folks think the Spanish flu from 1918 was originated in Kansas
It came from China. It originated in bats. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on April 02, 2020, 11:20:38 AM
Guano
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 02, 2020, 11:22:02 AM
It came from China. It originated in bats.
Or in a lab.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 02, 2020, 11:22:29 AM
A. Wait, I thought stomach acid would kill it, no?  If you ate infected pig wouldn't that not transfer because either:
  • Cooking the pig would kill it, or
  • Your stomach acid would kill it, or
  • both?
My understanding is that's largely correct. The infection pathway that would occur through ingestion is much lower likelihood than through a respiratory pathway.

But think of it another way... The virus is on/in a piece of pork. Someone purchases the pork, takes it home, and while preparing the pork, touches their nose or eyes. That would be infection through a respiratory (mucus membrane) pathway even though eating the cooked pork may not have had anything to do with it. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 02, 2020, 11:22:42 AM
At this point I believe we still don't know whether having contracted and survived COVID-19 confers immunity, or for how long.

So while "getting better" is obviously more fortunate than the alternative, it's unclear whether that protects at all against reinfection.
From what I understand, a couple of things:

One problem with this thing is that it is TOTALLY different from the typical "Flu" virus.  All of us older than toddlers have some built-up immunity to the Flu.  Now there are different strains of flu and that is why we still get sick but part of the reason that the death rate is fairly low is that we do have some built-up immunity to the flu even if we aren't completely immune to the particular strain in question.  

My understanding is that the reason this is being called "Novel" coronavirus is that it is new to us entirely.  It isn't just a different strain of the usual Flu, this is a totally different virus that we have no built-up immunity to at all.  There are probably already multiple strains of this thing but any survivor of any strain would have at least some built-up residual immunity to other strains.  

I'm not a doctor and that is just from what I've read and my understanding of it.  Also, as always, remember that Abraham Lincoln said to not believe everything you read on the internet.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on April 02, 2020, 11:24:10 AM
Or in a lab.
Folks gotta make life more spicy than it probably is. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 02, 2020, 11:25:43 AM
Folks gotta make life more spicy than it probably is.
Feel free to trust China all you want. I do not.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 02, 2020, 11:25:51 AM
It came from China. It originated in bats.
I just watched on PBS a nature series about Cuba.there were batcolonies in some big cave and they fly out in force at dusk.Turns out there are snakes that hang down in these caves and pick them off as there flying by.Maybe Amazon can get & mail them some of those snakes
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 02, 2020, 11:27:27 AM
I've always wondered what the phrase "bat shit crazy" meant.

Now I know.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 02, 2020, 11:28:36 AM
847 bringing his "A" game.Unfortunately humanity had to find out
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 02, 2020, 11:34:18 AM
From what I understand, a couple of things:

One problem with this thing is that it is TOTALLY different from the typical "Flu" virus.  All of us older than toddlers have some built-up immunity to the Flu.  Now there are different strains of flu and that is why we still get sick but part of the reason that the death rate is fairly low is that we do have some built-up immunity to the flu even if we aren't completely immune to the particular strain in question. 

My understanding is that the reason this is being called "Novel" coronavirus is that it is new to us entirely.  It isn't just a different strain of the usual Flu, this is a totally different virus that we have no built-up immunity to at all.  There are probably already multiple strains of this thing but any survivor of any strain would have at least some built-up residual immunity to other strains. 

I'm not a doctor and that is just from what I've read and my understanding of it.  Also, as always, remember that Abraham Lincoln said to not believe everything you read on the internet. 
Well, the entire family of coronavirii is different than the family of influenza virii. That said, coronavirii are not new. They cause many common colds. 

Swine flu, bird flu, etc are variants of influenza. SARS and MERS are variants of coronavirii.

So this is called "novel" because we've never seen THIS coronavirus, but that doesn't mean we have never seen coronavirii. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: GopherRock on April 02, 2020, 11:38:42 AM
The Spanish flu was so named because they were the only government in Europe that wasn't actively involved in World War 1, and as such weren't censoring the news. 

Then we have good news from the good folks down in Rochester: their antibody testing will be ready soon. 

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/04/01/mayo-clinic-expects-covid19-antibody-test-to-be-ready-monday

These are the tests that, once dispatched at scale, will allow for the slow unwinding of the SIP restrictions. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 02, 2020, 11:49:10 AM
Well, the entire family of coronavirii is different than the family of influenza virii. That said, coronavirii are not new. They cause many common colds.

Swine flu, bird flu, etc are variants of influenza. SARS and MERS are variants of coronavirii.

So this is called "novel" because we've never seen THIS coronavirus, but that doesn't mean we have never seen coronavirii.
Thank you for clearing that up for me.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on April 02, 2020, 12:07:02 PM
Feel free to trust China all you want. I do not.
Oh I don’t trust them. But I’m doubtful of the ability to pull off such a dramatic pandemic. When my choices are dramatic and reliant on a high skill level, or stupid and bumbling, I usually guess the latter. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 02, 2020, 12:23:52 PM
Oh I don’t trust them. But I’m doubtful of the ability to pull off such a dramatic pandemic. When my choices are dramatic and reliant on a high skill level, or stupid and bumbling, I usually guess the latter.
They probably even surprised themselves with the level of "success" they've carried out with this one, after years of failure... :67:
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Honestbuckeye on April 02, 2020, 12:44:32 PM
Oh I don’t trust them. But I’m doubtful of the ability to pull off such a dramatic pandemic. When my choices are dramatic and reliant on a high skill level, or stupid and bumbling, I usually guess the latter.
They know what kind of bat produced this virus and there are no bats of that type anywhere around Wuhan or in the markets. They are however in the two labs near Wuhan. It’s not a draconian theory it was probably just a big accident as several people in those labs openly worked with the blood and body fluids of those bats
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 02, 2020, 04:54:08 PM
Oh I don’t trust them. But I’m doubtful of the ability to pull off such a dramatic pandemic. When my choices are dramatic and reliant on a high skill level, or stupid and bumbling, I usually guess the latter.
I am generally a strong believer in Hanlon's Razor:
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity".  

However, I have my doubts here.  The Chinese National at Harvard getting arrested right as this thing was blowing up and the existence of labs in the Wuhan area certainly make it a valid question.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on April 02, 2020, 05:25:31 PM
bat rastards
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 02, 2020, 06:09:18 PM
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature?fbclid=IwAR3gxVY73ZVlvmQOqOzGTsRs3nDLm57R-I7UsKBQVsIm4gqmM1UK9FMoOL0 (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature?fbclid=IwAR3gxVY73ZVlvmQOqOzGTsRs3nDLm57R-I7UsKBQVsIm4gqmM1UK9FMoOL0)

The virus may have started with pangolins.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0331/1127645-was-the-pangolin-the-source-of-the-covid-19-outbreak/ (https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0331/1127645-was-the-pangolin-the-source-of-the-covid-19-outbreak/)

(https://i.imgur.com/122PawT.png)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 02, 2020, 06:10:10 PM
Pangolins have large, protective keratin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keratin) scales covering their skin; they are the only known mammals with this feature. They live in hollow trees or burrows (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burrow), depending on the species. Pangolins are nocturnal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocturnal), and their diet consists of mainly ants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ants) and termites (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Termites), which they capture using their long tongues. They tend to be solitary animals, meeting only to mate and produce a litter of one to three offspring, which they raise for about two years.

Pangolins are threatened by poaching (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangolin_trade) (for their meat and scales, which are used in Chinese traditional medicine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_traditional_medicine) for a variety of ailments including excessive anxiety and hysterical crying in children, women thought to be possessed by devils (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil) and ogres (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogre), malarial (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaria) fever, and deafness[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangolin#cite_note-4)) and heavy deforestation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation) of their natural habitats, and are the most trafficked (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildlife_smuggling) mammals in the world.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangolin#cite_note-5) As of January 2020, of the eight species of pangolin, three (Manis culionensis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manis_culionensis)M. pentadactyla (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manis_pentadactyla) and M. javanica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manis_javanica)) are listed as critically endangered, three (Phataginus tricuspis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phataginus_tricuspis)Manis crassicaudata (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manis_crassicaudata) and Smutsia gigantea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smutsia_gigantea)) are listed as endangered and two (Phataginus tetradactyla (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phataginus_tetradactyla) and Smutsia temminckii (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smutsia_temminckii)) are listed as vulnerable on the Red List of Threatened Species (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_List_of_Threatened_Species) of the International Union for Conservation of Nature (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Union_for_Conservation_of_Nature).[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangolin#cite_note-IUCN_Manidae-6)

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on April 02, 2020, 06:30:55 PM
I'd rather deal with bats

these anteaters are ugly and very probably foul smelling

if they happened to become extinct, I wouldn't worry much
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 02, 2020, 06:35:00 PM
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature?fbclid=IwAR3gxVY73ZVlvmQOqOzGTsRs3nDLm57R-I7UsKBQVsIm4gqmM1UK9FMoOL0 (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature?fbclid=IwAR3gxVY73ZVlvmQOqOzGTsRs3nDLm57R-I7UsKBQVsIm4gqmM1UK9FMoOL0)

The virus may have started with pangolins.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0331/1127645-was-the-pangolin-the-source-of-the-covid-19-outbreak/ (https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0331/1127645-was-the-pangolin-the-source-of-the-covid-19-outbreak/)

(https://i.imgur.com/122PawT.png)
Did you read the article? 

The best evidence at the moment points to the virus originating in bats. It’s thought to have jumped to pangolins from bats, and then to have mutated and then jumped from pangolins to humans.

Now how did it jump from species to species to species? At one of China’s many DISGUSTING, inhumane, cruel, wildlife wet markets where these WILD animals are stacked in cages all on top of each other vomiting, shitting, pissing, breathing, and bleeding all over each other and slaughtered alive by humans and sold to other humans right then and there.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 02, 2020, 06:35:26 PM
Was talking to a coworker in Colorado Springs today. They're now officially on lockdown [although as an essential infrastructure company, a lot of those guys are still working in our engineering labs when they can't remote into systems].

He was saying that their county is the highest death rate so far of COVID-19 in Colorado. And, it happens to be nearly the most "conservative". He mentioned that people are still having block parties and basically congregating as if nothing has happened, and that one of our other coworkers from that office (he didn't name him because he knows I would know him) was saying "it's just the flu!"

So... Yeah. Good work, Colorado!

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 02, 2020, 06:40:29 PM
I'd rather deal with bats

these anteaters are ugly and very probably foul smelling

if they happened to become extinct, I wouldn't worry much
You’d rather not. Bats carry more viruses than just about any species in the world.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 02, 2020, 07:19:16 PM
Bat Shit Crazy!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 02, 2020, 07:25:45 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YRuS42J.png)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on April 02, 2020, 08:41:38 PM
gets expensive if you can't spoof your number and have to pay the toll
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 02, 2020, 09:46:14 PM
so has everyone here watched tiger king on Netflix during the quarantine.

Quite possibly the greatest tv show in the history of television.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on April 02, 2020, 09:50:05 PM
not one second

not going there either
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 02, 2020, 09:57:16 PM
not one second

not going there either
You’re missing out. 

I swear to god you’d think the story was written by Danny McBride for an HBO comedy series.

It is utterly fascinating.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 02, 2020, 10:12:57 PM
 where these WILD animals are stacked in cages all on top of each other vomiting, shitting, pissing, breathing, and bleeding all over each other 
This is what I always imagined the poor apartments of NYC were like....
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 02, 2020, 10:16:31 PM
This is what I always imagined the poor apartments of NYC were like....
If you want to see the poor apartments of NYC then watch that Netflix documentary about President Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner’s family business. Holy shit. Slumdog Millionaire lived in nicer conditions in India.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 03, 2020, 12:42:54 AM
so has everyone here watched tiger king on Netflix during the quarantine.

Quite possibly the greatest tv show in the history of television.
No interest. And that's even with my morning radio show (The Woody Show) hyping it constantly. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MarqHusker on April 03, 2020, 01:40:02 AM
It is a long form version of Inside Edition/Hard Copy/Springer.   The people really do deserve each other.   It is fascinating, but by episode three or four I just lose interest.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Hawkinole on April 03, 2020, 02:06:26 AM
Now how did it jump from species to species to species? At one of China’s many DISGUSTING, inhumane, cruel, wildlife wet markets where these WILD animals are stacked in cages all on top of each other vomiting, shitting, pissing, breathing, and bleeding all over each other and slaughtered alive by humans and sold to other humans right then and there.
Someone posted today on Facebook that Chinese wet markets are have reopened. If we could do something now to improve the human condition, and the conditions for animals, by convincing China this practice is too dangerous to the human condition to allow this to continue, I would support it.  

COVID-19 is not the first virus to jump from animal species to humans in China. The 2003 SARS outbreak  originated in China when SARS jumped from bats to humans. It wasn't as virulent as COVID-19. WHO said the SARS infection count was just 8,098 with 774 deaths.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 03, 2020, 05:10:19 AM
Viruses jumping from animals to humans is common, to the extent it has an actual technical name.

We are animals after all, mammals etc.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 03, 2020, 09:07:00 AM
Italy:

The numbers out of Italy are a bit misleading unless you understand that WRT COVID-19 Italy has to be looked at by region.  As of yesterday Italy, as a whole, had 1,333 active cases per 1M population.  That is scary.  However, it is nowhere near uniform across the country.  Instead, Norther/Alpine Italy is a complete catastrophe with cases per 1M ranging from about 900 to almost 2,600.  Meanwhile, Southern/Mediterranean Italy has a lower rate of cases per 1M than the US and most of the rest of Europe.  

In Sicily there are 257 cases per 1M population.  

Putting this into perspective:
I live in a City of ~30k within a County of ~180k.  At 2,600 cases per 1M (like Northern Italy) that works out to:


At 257 cases per 1M (like Sicily) that works out to:



That difference is vast.  I'm pretty sure my City/County have sufficient facilities to deal with 8/46 cases but it goes without saying that we don't have sufficient facilities to deal with 78/468.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 03, 2020, 09:23:12 AM
Ohio:
The good news is that Ohio's rate of doubling slowed from every two days in mid-March to every four days now.  The bad news is that doubling every four days is still SCARY fast.  

NY (3,900/1M), NJ (2,500/1M), LA (1,300/1M), MA (1,100/1M), CT (1,000/1M), MI (900/1M), WA (700/1M), DC (600/1M), and CO (600/1M) are the states with the highest percentage infected.  

US Counties with the highest rates of infection per 1M population:


Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 03, 2020, 09:52:09 AM
We need a spreadsheet, with graphs. I wish I knew someone who was really good at that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 03, 2020, 10:00:18 AM
The service area of our local hospital has 108 known cases. I don't have the data on how many are hospitalized.

My town has 24 cases. I suspect that more than a few of these are in nursing homes. The hospital has 500 beds, not including the emergency room (50).
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 03, 2020, 10:05:15 AM
 If we could do something now to improve the human condition, and the conditions for animals, by convincing China this practice is too dangerous to the human condition to allow this to continue, I would support it.
IMO unless powerful members of their Central Committee are affected(or their families) they would have to find a heart or a conscience.That could be a tall order if this was really cooked up in a lab - hope that is not the case
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 03, 2020, 10:23:38 AM
I'd rather deal with bats
these anteaters are ugly and very probably foul smelling
Sounds like a Frat Boy date
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 03, 2020, 10:23:59 AM
The little village I lived in on the Navajo Rez got their first known case, and it was an employee at the grocery store.  Reeeally bad news - this place has only the grocery store, a gas station, and a subway.  No other commecial properties at all.
.
So they closed the grocery store - the next nearest one is 60 miles away.  Of course their first case is someone working at the only social hub that exists there.  It's going to get bad.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 03, 2020, 10:25:27 AM
gets expensive if you can't spoof your number and have to pay the toll
So you've tried it?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 03, 2020, 10:29:44 AM
Seems like a rather small village to have a subway.  Is traffic that bad there?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 03, 2020, 10:32:08 AM
The little village I lived in on the Navajo Rez got their first known case, and it was an employee at the grocery store.  Reeeally bad news - this place has only the grocery store, a gas station, and a subway.  No other commecial properties at all.
.
So they closed the grocery store - the next nearest one is 60 miles away.  Of course their first case is someone working at the only social hub that exists there.  It's going to get bad.
Hopefully the communication/liason people are working with the Government.Wonder if this a a case of food boxes/containers being infectced before delivery.As the reservation would be somewhat isolated.Probably disinfect and reopen
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on April 03, 2020, 11:58:36 AM
So you've tried it?
I've tried to bill for it
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: GopherRock on April 03, 2020, 11:58:45 AM
Gang, this is a bad prospect for this fall's football season. 

https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavirus/article241741256.html
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on April 03, 2020, 12:03:09 PM
SIOUX CITY -- Woodbury County recorded one new confirmed case of COVID-19 Friday, raising the county's total to eight.

Roughly 4 percent of Woodbury County's tests have come back positive for COVID-19. As of Friday, 228 total tests had been completed on Woodbury County residents and 220 of them were negative.

Three Woodbury County residents who tested positive for COVID-19 have recovered, the health department reported earlier this week.

As the availability of testing increases, health officials said last week they expect the number of confirmed cases of COVID-19 to rise. Local health officials estimate they'll be able to test up to 60 patients a day for the novel coronavirus at a drive-thru testing site that opened March 27 in downtown Sioux City. In order to be tested for COVID-19, patients must call their primary care physician, who will assess their symptoms either in-person or through telehealth, a visit by phone or video chat.


This in a county of just over 100,000.

to qualify for the test, you need to be at serious risk or have ALL the symptoms.  I'm guessing some folks don't have all the symptoms but are simply scared and lying about their situation to get a test.

roughly 4%
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 03, 2020, 12:08:07 PM
Hearing that the tests have roughly a 30% false negative rate. That's... Concerning.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/well/live/coronavirus-symptoms-tests-false-negative.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/well/live/coronavirus-symptoms-tests-false-negative.html)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on April 03, 2020, 12:10:12 PM
that might help explain the spread

folks get a negative test and assume they are NOT contagious - then relax their efforts and give it to many others
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 03, 2020, 12:13:05 PM
My step daughter tested negative, and then her doctor told her it didn't really mean anything, she has all the classic symptoms.

A bad test is worse than no test at all.

I'm not shocked that the test would be dicey at this point.  The Abbot test might be more reliable.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Honestbuckeye on April 03, 2020, 01:15:46 PM
Here in SE Florida today is the first day of the statewide “ shelter in place”.  Being in the financial side I am Allowed to travel to the office- which I do from Time to time because even though we’re working from home many actual loan documents are only legal with a real signature so I do have to go print occasionally

The traffic is unchanged.  Busy as hell
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 03, 2020, 01:15:56 PM
Viruses jumping from animals to humans is common, to the extent it has an actual technical name.

We are animals after all, mammals etc.
Viruses that jump species to species are called zoonotic viruses.

And it’s not as common for them to jump to humans as you think. Why? Because most of these viruses are in WILD animals that belong in the wild and don’t belong anywhere near modern human beings and modern civilization.

You have barbaric savages in third world shit hole countries capturing and/or breeding wildlife and chopping them up and eating them in very densely packed public spaces.

SIV for example would’ve never in a million f’n years come into contact with humans and mutated and turned into HIV if it wasn’t for PEOPLE capturing these WILD monkeys and apes that carried the SIV virus and then chopped them up and butchered them and ate them and got infected with a new virus that previously was NEVER found in human beings.

Wildlife poaching and wildlife markets in Africa and Asia are going to be the end of humanity. This Coronavirus is nothing compared to what’s lurking around the corner. The true fatality rate on this thing is probably less than 1%. There are other viruses out there lurking in wild animals that are WAY more deadly than that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 03, 2020, 01:21:14 PM
Here in SE Florida today is the first day of the statewide “ shelter in place”.  Being in the financial side I am Allowed to travel to the office- which I do from Time to time because even though we’re working from home many actual loan documents are only legal with a real signature so I do have to go print occasionally

The traffic is unchanged.  Busy as hell
Lol I haven’t left the house today but yesterday I was down in Broward county and the traffic was still as insane as ever. 

This shelter in place order that DeSantis put in place is kinda weak. Lots of exemptions and wiggle room for people. He did it just to save face and relieve some political pressure.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 03, 2020, 01:25:15 PM
Lol I haven’t left the house today but yesterday I was down in Broward county and the traffic was still as insane as ever.

This shelter in place order that DeSantis put in place is kinda weak. Lots of exemptions and wiggle room for people. He did it just to save face and relieve some political pressure.
Actually, it's pretty much the same order in every state, except New York. Cuomo tightened theirs down last week.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 03, 2020, 01:25:42 PM
I do need to go out to the day to the "grocery store"...

This particular "grocery store" sells grain, and hops, but because they sell food they're deemed essential. 

I actually do need to go to the butcher as well. Since my wife and I are obviously not going to Ruth's Chris tomorrow for our anniversary dinner, I'll be buying some great steaks. 

What's going to be weird is that my wife bought us some fabric masks. I don't want to have to wear it because I know I'll feel awkward... But I'm going to do so. Also planning on bringing wet wipes to wipe down my hands as soon as I get in the car after each stop. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 03, 2020, 01:28:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Bo4Fjy0.jpg)



From the NYT, apparently derived from cellphone location data. 


Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 03, 2020, 01:34:12 PM
I actually do need to go to the butcher as well. Since my wife and I are obviously not going to Ruth's Chris tomorrow for our anniversary dinner, I'll be buying some great steaks.
how do you cook your steaks? 

Grill? Oven? Cast iron on the stove ?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 03, 2020, 01:35:03 PM
Traffic here has been WAY down for weeks now.  If folks in FL have been carrying on as if nothing much is happening, they are going to have more problems than just New Yorkers coming into the state.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 03, 2020, 01:37:02 PM
Traffic here has been WAY down for weeks now.  If folks in FL have been carrying on as if nothing much is happening, they are going to have more problems than just New Yorkers coming into the state.
It could be bad, but I don’t think it’ll approach NY levels. South Florida is very spread out and nowhere near as many people or as densely populated as NYC/NJ metro area. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 03, 2020, 01:50:14 PM
how do you cook your steaks?

Grill? Oven? Cast iron on the stove ?
Take it to the cookbook thread!!



(Cast iron on the grill)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 03, 2020, 01:50:20 PM
how do you cook your steaks?

Grill? Oven? Cast iron on the stove ?
Grill. Usually I've been doing reverse sear, but recently I've been doing more of the sear on the grill and then finish in the oven. 

Because I'll be doing one ribeye and one filet, different sizes, I'll probably do this entirely reverse sear on the grill though. It'll make it easier to manage the timing and doneness better.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 03, 2020, 01:52:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Bo4Fjy0.jpg)



From the NYT, apparently derived from cellphone location data.



That is really telling right there. Of course, some have no choice. We can walk to our store (and liquor store). Some people have to travel to another county.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 03, 2020, 02:03:06 PM
That is really telling right there. Of course, some have no choice. We can walk to our store (and liquor store). Some people have to travel to another county.

The twitter response to that graph is right here:


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUnY2xTXYAE6chs?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 03, 2020, 02:04:23 PM
Looks pretty familiar doesn't it?  Like, if you overlaid one on the other, there'd be quite a bit of correlation?

Here we are back to your "statistics" discussion.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 03, 2020, 02:26:04 PM
Yep. It would be easy to take that map out of context.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 03, 2020, 02:32:10 PM
The twitter response to that graph is right here:


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUnY2xTXYAE6chs?format=jpg&name=small)
Without digging back into the colorblindness discussion... Does that look wrong to anyone else?

The <2.5 looks pretty yellow, and I don't see that color anywhere on the map. It certainly doesn't appear to match the lightest color on the map.

2.5-5 percent looks too dark for the second-lightest color on the map. 

And how is it REMOTELY possible that the areas of the western states which are SO much lower in population density than the South are not more heavily represented? 

I realize this is "no car" and no supermarket within a mile, and maybe those areas have higher car ownership. But the people without cars probably aren't the ones regularly traveling over 2 miles... I assume the original NYT graph had some sort of a cutoff in population... I.e. my wife is regularly traveling >2 miles because we live 13 miles from her work and she's going every day. And I'm going to Costco which is >2 miles away but it's once a week at most. 

You'd think the ones with no car and >1 mile to the supermarket are already trying to limit their travel because they have no car. 

There's something hinky there...
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 03, 2020, 02:32:49 PM
Yep. It would be easy to take that map out of context.
The first shitheel who posted the NYT graph on twitter simply gave the comment:

"The South"

So fuck that guy and the assholes who think like him.  

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 03, 2020, 02:34:52 PM
Without digging back into the colorblindness discussion... Does that look wrong to anyone else?

The <2.5 looks pretty yellow, and I don't see that color anywhere on the map. It certainly doesn't appear to match the lightest color on the map.

2.5-5 percent looks too dark for the second-lightest color on the map.

And how is it REMOTELY possible that the areas of the western states which are SO much lower in population density than the South are not more heavily represented?

I realize this is "no car" and no supermarket within a mile, and maybe those areas have higher car ownership. But the people without cars probably aren't the ones regularly traveling over 2 miles... I assume the original NYT graph had some sort of a cutoff in population... I.e. my wife is regularly traveling >2 miles because we live 13 miles from her work and she's going every day. And I'm going to Costco which is >2 miles away but it's once a week at most.

You'd think the ones with no car and >1 mile to the supermarket are already trying to limit their travel because they have no car.

There's something hinky there...

Eh.  Can't speak for all of the western states but in West Texas, most of the towns are less than a mile across and so nobody's traveling farther than a mile to go ANYWHERE.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 03, 2020, 02:37:41 PM
Grill. Usually I've been doing reverse sear, but recently I've been doing more of the sear on the grill and then finish in the oven.

Been using the reverse seer and it has worked great
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 03, 2020, 02:38:51 PM
The first shitheel who posted the NYT graph on twitter simply gave the comment:

"The South"

So fuck that guy and the assholes who think like him. 


Preach it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 03, 2020, 02:44:38 PM
This is actually the ship we were supposed to be on right now, from Peru. 

I’m not surprised nobody got sick on an Azamara ship. They take cleanliness and sanitation to a whole different level than I’ve ever seen.
 
I know some of that crew who were mentioned in the article too. Igor is my favorite bartender/server, and Paulo has cleaned my room on 4 of the 5 cruises I’ve taken. I was looking forward to seeing those guys too, and the senior staff, of course. White Night is awesome.
 
Oh well. Not to be.
 
F You, CCP. F. YOU.

 
https://www.azamara.com/blog/azamara-pursuit-journey-remember?cid=aza_lcv_pursuit_returns_040320_allmkts&ecid=em_22963735&rid=1543346945&emsc=AZAUSA_LT_LCVV3ALLMKTSEM0119_LCV&emct=E&lnkid=https%3A//www.azamara.com/pursuitblog%3Fcid%3Daza_lcv_pursuit_returns_040320_allmkts (https://www.azamara.com/blog/azamara-pursuit-journey-remember?cid=aza_lcv_pursuit_returns_040320_allmkts&ecid=em_22963735&rid=1543346945&emsc=AZAUSA_LT_LCVV3ALLMKTSEM0119_LCV&emct=E&lnkid=https%3A//www.azamara.com/pursuitblog%3Fcid%3Daza_lcv_pursuit_returns_040320_allmkts)
 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 03, 2020, 02:45:16 PM
The first shitheel who posted the NYT graph on twitter simply gave the comment:

"The South"

So fuck that guy and the assholes who think like him. 


Well my first thought was "the red are all the people thinking it was a hoax"....just matter-of-factly.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 03, 2020, 02:51:00 PM
Well my first thought was "the red are all the people thinking it was a hoax"....just matter-of-factly. 
That doesn't surprise me in the least.  Just matter of factly.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 03, 2020, 03:31:12 PM
Lol I haven’t left the house today but yesterday I was down in Broward county and the traffic was still as insane as ever.

This shelter in place order that DeSantis put in place is kinda weak. Lots of exemptions and wiggle room for people. He did it just to save face and relieve some political pressure.
It could be bad, but I don’t think it’ll approach NY levels. South Florida is very spread out and nowhere near as many people or as densely populated as NYC/NJ metro area.
I hope you are right.  My in-laws are in Broward County right now.  When this thing was just starting to blow up I offered to fly down and drive them back here because I thought that Ohio would be safer than Florida.  

It now appears pretty clear that I was right.  Ohio is at 212 cases per 1M population.  Summit County (where they live in Ohio) is at 242 cases per 1M population.  Medina County (where I live in Ohio) is at 306 cases per 1M population.  At home they are in Southern Summit County which is adjacent to Wayne County and Stark County which are at 78 and 121 cases per 1M population.  

They stayed for reasons that I don't want to get into right now and now they are in Broward County Florida.  I don't have County data for Florida at my fingertips but Florida as a whole is at 357 cases per 1M population and Miami-Dade County which is immediately South of Broward County (where they are) is at 810 cases per 1M population.  Also, while I can't see the actual figure, I do have a County Map of the Contiguous US and Broward County is the second-worst County in Florida, only better than Miami-Dade.  

I'm worried for them because my FIL is an 83 year old DAV with multiple serious co-morbidity factors while my MIL 69 and his only available caregiver.  If my FIL gets it I think his chances are pretty slim.  If my MIL gets it I have no idea who will take care of my FIL.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 03, 2020, 04:26:45 PM
My wife has said that traffic during commute times here is WIDE open. I didn't notice that on the way to the "grocery", as traffic was similar to what I'd expect with midday traffic... But then again midday is probably when more people are out that aren't at work. So I suspect people are mostly keeping to the basics of the stay at home order.

The homebrew store guys were saying that business has picked up for them... With everyone stuck at home, they're making more beer. So I may never go to another restaurant in my life, but at least the homebrew industry will survive!

I think I went overboard with my steak... My wife's filet is just under 11 oz, but my ribeye is over a pound and a half :72:
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 03, 2020, 04:36:42 PM
That's some big beef!

My i s c & a aggie wife picked up a 13-lb brisket and three racks of pork spares today.  I think she's trying to tell me something...
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on April 03, 2020, 04:52:32 PM
Eh.  Can't speak for all of the western states but in West Texas, most of the towns are less than a mile across and so nobody's traveling farther than a mile to go ANYWHERE.

So everyone lives in the towns?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bayareabadger on April 03, 2020, 05:07:15 PM
The first shitheel who posted the NYT graph on twitter simply gave the comment:

"The South"

So fuck that guy and the assholes who think like him. 


I saw that and, dumbass. That graphic was gonna get culture-war-y fast, and accelerating it to be a shit is just worthless. It was also gonna spawn counter graphics like the one above, which is sort of contextless (if you have no car and no super market within a mile, you're probably not going all that far). It also doesn't track cleanly enough to make sense. 

But the larger sin is to turn it into a vector of some sort of morality, i.e. a quick way to dunk on people. I could think of reasons folks in this part of the country might be a little more aggressive about it (stronger screw authority feelings, not much in the way of local orders, perhaps some other-izing of the problem). I'm generally flummoxed about the data because I simply don't believe folks in northern Michigan and South Dakota suddenly hopped on board en masse while everyone outside three cities in Alabama did not. 

Basically, this is an interesting bit of data that doesn't tell that much and invites more questions. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 03, 2020, 05:09:28 PM
Who sent the graphic to the New York paper? 


China?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 03, 2020, 05:09:33 PM
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/03/826699690/spain-briefly-passes-italy-in-covid-19-cases-but-officials-see-growth-rate-slowi?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=nprblogscoronavirusliveupdates (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/03/826699690/spain-briefly-passes-italy-in-covid-19-cases-but-officials-see-growth-rate-slowi?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=nprblogscoronavirusliveupdates)

Spain and Italy MAY be near cresting, hopefully.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 03, 2020, 05:11:28 PM
We live on a busy urban street, it's one way here, but it carries a good bit of traffic normally, and backs up around this time pretty bad.  It's an alternate route to the freeway, which usually is just stopped.  Today is about like Sunday at 8 AM.  And every day has been that way.

Pedestrian traffic is way down as well.  People here appear to be taking this very seriously in the main.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 03, 2020, 05:56:58 PM
I must live under a rock and not go on the twitters that much, but apparently billionaire David Geffen won the most tone deaf person alive award when he posted on his Instagram account drone shots of his 469 foot yacht in the Caribbean wishing everyone a safe and happy quarantine. This jackass got roasted alive on social media over it.

This dude is worth $8 billion and there are millions of people in his country out of work not able to afford their rent payments or food and thousands and thousands sick and all he can think about doing is showing off what’s essentially a private cruise ship- can’t even call it a yacht- that probably costs hundreds of millions of dollars. Absolutely disgusting to me. If I could kick him as hard as I possibly can in the dick I would. I would pay good money for that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 03, 2020, 06:02:22 PM
A ship that big is compensation for a very small dick, so I hope you have good aim.

469 feet? That's probably in the 100 Million range, depending on amenities. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 03, 2020, 06:10:06 PM
A ship that big is compensation for a very small dick, so I hope you have good aim.

469 feet? That's probably in the 100 Million range, depending on amenities.
$590 million. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 03, 2020, 06:12:45 PM
And he’s deleted his Instagram and Twitter because he was getting roasted alive by all the internets. 

God I love the internet sometimes. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 03, 2020, 06:19:01 PM
$590 million.
That's a lot of amenities. Must be palatial inside, like Paul Allen's yacht.


We were in St. Bart a few years ago during yacht week. Our ship was tendered there, as was Allen's and that HUGE one from Russia.


The day before New Year's Eve, the Russian had the Rolling Stones play live on his ship. Then, on New Year's Eve, U2 played. We could hear them from our ship. Unreal, some of the money that's out there.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 03, 2020, 06:28:21 PM
I noticed in St. Tropez the same thing, some very large boats tied up to the dock, and then 8-10 more too large to dock anchored in the bay, 100 meter plus types.  Monaco was FULL of Ferraris that would roar and lurch about 20 feet in traffic until they had to stop.  Great fun.  Of course, a Ferrari is a gnat compared to a 100 m yacht.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on April 03, 2020, 08:10:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Bo4Fjy0.jpg)



From the NYT, apparently derived from cellphone location data.



not believing this a tall
many of the green areas out west, there isn't a grocery store or toilet paper outlet in 10 miles
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 03, 2020, 08:11:46 PM
That's a lot of amenities. Must be palatial inside, like Paul Allen's yacht.


We were in St. Bart a few years ago during yacht week. Our ship was tendered there, as was Allen's and that HUGE one from Russia.


The day before New Year's Eve, the Russian had the Rolling Stones play live on his ship. Then, on New Year's Eve, U2 played. We could hear them from our ship. Unreal, some of the money that's out there.
It is unreal. And it's unreal how many of them there actually are with that sort of money. Very few people if any should honestly have that kind of money. Sad thing is most of the people with that kind of money in this country now do nothing to actually earn it through creating new and innovating products. Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Steve Jobs- guys like that are incredibly rare birds. For every one of them that acquired extreme wealth through doing something truly unique and innovative and changing the world- there are idiots that became a billionaire like Jamie Dimon just by working at a bank.

Most guys nowadays that have stupid money have that money because they play games with money and stocks. You can include executives and CEO's of large multinationals in that lot. All they did the last decade was buyback shares of their own companies in record fashion. And why? To inflate the share price of their companies stock. Why? Because their compensation is directly tied to the stock price. Brilliant idea there! Tie executive compensation to share price! The deregulation and finacialization of the economy has had disastrous effects for the middle class of this country. There really isn't a middle class anymore. Common folk just keep getting wiped out while the rich become richer.

Google Steven A. Cohen, SAC Capital. He's worth oh, only $14 billion- and that's after he was fined $2 billion by the federal gov't. This dude built a hedge fund empire through manipulation of stocks and insider trading. I knew his brother in passing, he's a big CPA for medical Dr.'s. Anyway, back to Steven A. Cohen- dude is a straight up criminal and all he got was a slap on the wrist from the federal gov't. He was fined just under $2 billion and the mf'er is STILL worth $14 billion and never served a day in jail. He was barred from the feds from handling money for outsiders again.

The government of this country has failed it's people in just about every single way from the 1980's to 2020. And the people in this country today are nothing but a bunch of whining snowflakes with zero backbone.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on April 03, 2020, 08:15:19 PM
I think I went overboard with my steak... My wife's filet is just under 11 oz, but my ribeye is over a pound and a half :72:
I'm quite sure you are on point!

I assume the ribeye is prime and beautifully marbled
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: FearlessF on April 03, 2020, 08:18:22 PM
If I could kick him as hard as I possibly can in the dick I would. I would pay good money for that.
I'll chip in a benjamin to watch you kick him 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MarqHusker on April 04, 2020, 02:09:18 AM
not believing this a tall
many of the green areas out west, there isn't a grocery store or toilet paper outlet in 10 miles
Not to mention the hundreds of thousands which rode a nyc subway not one week ago.

I also bet that map looks fairly similar most spring years.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 04, 2020, 02:56:35 AM
That doesn't surprise me in the least.  Just matter of factly.
Tell me how I'm wrong, don't just get pissy about it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 04, 2020, 08:50:07 AM
Lulz.  You're never wrong OAM.  Never, ever.

Continue on.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 04, 2020, 10:08:07 AM
not believing this a tall
many of the green areas out west, there isn't a grocery store or toilet paper outlet in 10 miles
Here's the story

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/02/us/coronavirus-social-distancing.html

The map is when "average miles traveled per day" dropped below 2.

It's aggregate. So if some people still have to go to an office, or they have to drive 6 miles to the grocery store, but most people comply with the stay at home order and the one who drives to the grocery store only does it once a week and combines it with all their other weekly errands instead of going out every day, the average can come down even if you live more than 2 miles from the store.

As mentioned, my wife has to with every day and her office is 12 miles away. So our average, as a couple, is well over 2 miles per day. But our average is far lower than it typically would be, because outside of the necessary trips we've cut out the unnecessary ones.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 10:11:09 AM
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections (https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections)

Projections of when COVID will peak in the US (midmonth).  The height of the peak is subject to ... um, some uncertainty.

It could be quite bad, really bad, really really bad, or historically awful.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 04, 2020, 10:18:11 AM
It is unreal. And it's unreal how many of them there actually are with that sort of money. Very few people if any should honestly have that kind of money. Sad thing is most of the people with that kind of money in this country now do nothing to actually earn it through creating new and innovating products. Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Steve Jobs- guys like that are incredibly rare birds. 
And the congregation says Amen.Turns out this guy hasn't been providing masks,gloves,disinfectant,etc.Stuff his conglomerate handles on a mammoth scale.Some employees brought this to light and were fired,then the company has it's PR dept circle the wagons in damage control to discredit a couple of employees concerns.Ya know when you have 100 billion and change you can buy a headline or two.Maybe your own paper/website.Evidently he's been getting plastered in SM - GOOD
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 10:22:14 AM
My glib definition of "wealthy" is a person who doesn't need income ever to maintain his lifestyle.  Even in Europe, they tax income like us more or less and have a VAT (sales tax) around 20% or so.  A billionaire is largely unaffected by either, or can easily dodge taxes on income, as they can here.  Sweden has more billionaires per capita than does the US.

I figure once you get to a hundred million or so, you are largely immune from taxes (other than estate taxes, and with a good planned you can largely escape those as well).  A liquid net worth of $20 million is ample as well for most folks.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2020, 10:24:32 AM
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections (https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections)

Projections of when COVID will peak in the US (midmonth).  The height of the peak is subject to ... um, some uncertainty.

It could be quite bad, really bad, really really bad, or historically awful.
There have been quite a few articles on MSM that seek to discredit the IHME model. They even cite experts.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 04, 2020, 10:29:24 AM
 A liquid net worth of $20 million is ample as well for most folks.
I'll let you know when I get halfway to one
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 10:29:41 AM
All models are wrong, some models are useful.  I don't know of a better model even if this one is off.

I dashed out to Kroger, they are OUT of the usual stuff that comes from Central America, out.  They were running low on other stuff as well.  This was during the hour reserved for old folks and most shoppers were 30ish.

About half were wearing masks or scarves of some sort.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 04, 2020, 10:30:05 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/3LTqqeA.png)
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 10:30:56 AM
Most of these billionaires of course have most of their wealth "tied up" in stock etc.  Few have it in liquid form.  Some could sell enough stock to have it liquid if they wanted without causing the value of their holdings to collapse.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 04, 2020, 10:38:55 AM
CD wish I knew all this stuff - at like 10yrs old.Priorities like football,baseball,music,girls,cars,work got in the way.But the good news is my goal of running out of money and breath at the same time appears on course,hopefully
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2020, 10:41:15 AM
All models are wrong, some models are useful.  I don't know of a better model even if this one is off.

I dashed out to Kroger, they are OUT of the usual stuff that comes from Central America, out.  They were running low on other stuff as well.  This was during the hour reserved for old folks and most shoppers were 30ish.

About half were wearing masks or scarves of some sort.
I just found it amusing that the papers like WaPo and NYT went out of their way to find experts to dispute the (very worst case) model that the White House Task Force chose to adapt.

This, after publishing article after article blasting the White House Task Force for downplaying the whole thing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 04, 2020, 10:57:47 AM
Everybody playing politics with lives in the balance.  Same as it ever was I suppose.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2020, 11:44:07 AM
Yeah, some things never change in that regard. "We" just need to have the ability to see through it all.

People criticize this and condemn that constantly. WRT this virus, it's all so premature. There is no need to endlessly comment now, let alone judge.

History will judge. That's what history does.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 11:59:40 AM
Yes, there will be time to review what happened and note where "we" should have done better, that is necessary.  Right now, everything is in flux and too much is uncertain and unclear.  If we focus more on what to do NOW and less on what should have been done THEN, we probably are better off collectively.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Honestbuckeye on April 04, 2020, 01:15:22 PM
I just found it amusing that the papers like WaPo and NYT went out of their way to find experts to dispute the (very worst case) model that the White House Task Force chose to adapt.

This, after publishing article after article blasting the White House Task Force for downplaying the whole thing.
That’s their gig. They were downplaying it from the very beginning and even called the ban on incoming Chyna travel both racist and an overreaction but are now quick to say of course that things weren’t done fast enough.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: utee94 on April 04, 2020, 01:21:17 PM
Lots of lessons to be learned here.  Hopefully we can apply them appropriately.

I believe I said it before on this board, I think we're actually lucky that this virus isn't more deadly than it is.  It's allowing us to pressure-test our emergency response capability, and we're finding that we have a LOT of gaps.

If this virus were as communicable as it currently is, but as deadly as ebola or something like that, we'd be in EXTREMELY bad shape.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 04, 2020, 01:34:07 PM
Never thought it was possible, but it appears a YouTuber might’ve just cracked the coronavirus origin case. This guy is an American that has lived in China for the last 10+ years and worked as an English teacher/translator and speaks, reads and writes Mandarin. He even married a Chinese woman and lived in China with her family for years.

Everyone should watch this video. Makes a very compelling case that this thing happened accidentally in a lab and the damn CCP covered it up. CCP is even more at fault than I thought.


https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 04, 2020, 01:36:15 PM
Matt Painter's agent, Buddy Baker, lost both of his parents last Sunday to COVID-19 complications apparently just minutes apart. 

https://www.si.com/college/purdue/basketball/sports-agent-buddy-baker-parents-die-covid-19 (https://www.si.com/college/purdue/basketball/sports-agent-buddy-baker-parents-die-covid-19)

They'd been married 51 years, and apparently both were in good health before this struck.

Very sad...

Also heard that here in California, it's been detected in two different assisted living facilities in Long Beach. Hopefully they caught it before it's going to spread, but I doubt it the way this thing has been going. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 01:38:32 PM
Everything I've read from scientists says this does not have any of the hallmarks of a human engineered virus.  Every "rumor" from nonscientists (nearly) says they think it was bioengineered.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 04, 2020, 01:39:29 PM
There have been quite a few articles on MSM that seek to discredit the IHME model. They even cite experts.
Discredit how, that it's too conservative or that it's overstating the numbers?

I personally think their numbers are low. Partly because it assumes we'll have national social distancing in place through the end of May--and presumably that people follow them--and I think there are a lot of places in this country where people are being morons about this.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 01:46:31 PM
People are being morons?  Come on, how  can that be possible?  When did you discover this?

Ten percent never get the word.  I would bet ten percent of the US population has not heard anything about the virus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 04, 2020, 01:53:10 PM
Everything I've read from scientists says this does not have any of the hallmarks of a human engineered virus.  Every "rumor" from nonscientists (nearly) says they think it was bioengineered.
Watch the video. The guy uses nothing but Chinese govt postings and sources to come to his convulsions. Not one time did I imply or say it was human engineered. He doesn’t either in this video. 

The infectious disease lab in Wuhan was doing experiments on bats. Someone at that lab accidentally contaminated herself with fluids from a bat that carried this coronavirus. She is thought to have been patient zero. Everything about her has been scrubbed from govt websites and all articles about her have been scrubbed from the Chinese internet too. It’s a fascinating video that makes a compelling case. Everyone should watch.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 04, 2020, 01:56:46 PM
Thanx MDoT
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 01:59:22 PM
I'm not going to watch some ten minute video that starts out the way that one does.  Cut to the chase.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 04, 2020, 02:01:42 PM
Watch the video. The guy uses nothing but Chinese govt postings and sources to come to his convulsions. Not one time did I imply or say it was human engineered. He doesn’t either in this video.

The infectious disease lab in Wuhan was doing experiments on bats. Someone at that lab accidentally contaminated herself with fluids from a bat that carried this coronavirus. She is thought to have been patient zero. Everything about her has been scrubbed from govt websites and all articles about her have been scrubbed from the Chinese internet too. It’s a fascinating video that makes a compelling case. Everyone should watch. 
Now, not to say this isn't true, but sometimes these things are the lack of evidence used to make belief in a theory STRONGER for its adherents...

"Wait, I can't find anything on this lady. It's almost like she never existed at all."

"Exactly, man, the CCP is covering her up so well that they've removed every trace of her past!" 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 04, 2020, 02:08:28 PM
People are being morons?  Come on, how  can that be possible?  When did you discover this?

Ten percent never get the word.  I would bet ten percent of the US population has not heard anything about the virus.
Seriously Clark.If they live in the woodsor on the streets 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 04, 2020, 02:10:25 PM
Now, not to say this isn't true, but sometimes these things are the lack of evidence used to make belief in a theory STRONGER for its adherents...

"Wait, I can't find anything on this lady. It's almost like she never existed at all."

"Exactly, man, the CCP is covering her up so well that they've removed every trace of her past!"
He brought up a good point they could catch her out and about or in this case where ever she is quarantined
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 04, 2020, 02:14:54 PM
Now, not to say this isn't true, but sometimes these things are the lack of evidence used to make belief in a theory STRONGER for its adherents...

"Wait, I can't find anything on this lady. It's almost like she never existed at all."

"Exactly, man, the CCP is covering her up so well that they've removed every trace of her past!"
Watch the video. Everyone that currently works at the lab or used to work at the lab- still has their picture and profile up. Everyone except for one woman. 

The government labs own website posted job openings for projects researching new coronavirus in bats in November and then posted another job opening in December saying they’ve discovered a terrible new virus that’s transmissible to humans. 

And another researcher who worked at the lab released a paper he wasn’t suppose to but did anyway- which the CCP took down- but thankfully someone saved it- saying that researchers at the lab were infected with a new coronavirus from bats after being exposed to fluids and self quarantined for 14 days before returning to work. 

You are insanely naive if you think the CCP isn’t covering this entire thing up. Go ahead and trust the Chinese Communist Party’s propoganda if you wish. I for one don’t. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 04, 2020, 02:18:26 PM
Watch the video. Everyone that currently works at the lab or used to work at the lab- still has their picture and profile up. Everyone except for one woman.
I kind of got the idea the professor lady isn't around anymore either
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2020, 02:21:12 PM
IHME says 23 days for AZ to peak.

29 for Florida.

16 for Illinois.

15 for Indiana.

23 for Wisconsin.

15 or Ohio.

5 for Michigan.

5 for New York.

4 for New Jersey.

11 for Connecticut.

32 for Texas.


The numbers out of the NE, and particularly NY, are about to get staggering.

Arizona and Florida are projected to have enough beds. Illinois, Minnesota and Wisconsin are projected to have a surplus. Ohio, Texas and California too have massive surpluses.

New York is woefully short on beds, with far less than Illinois and WAY far less than Ohio, California and Texas.

How can a state that went through 9/11 be so woefully underprepared for this? How do Illinois and Ohio have more physical beds than New York?? and Someone needs to ask the governor for an explanation. It's inexcusable. In the meantime, that other Navy hospital ship sitting in California needs to make a beeline for NYC. Like, today.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2020, 02:23:47 PM


I can't imagine why the first state to require government approval to build new healthcare capacity would have a shortage... That makes no sense when you know that good central planning is the best way to ensure we have enough goods and services for all...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_of_need (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_of_need)
From the other thread.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2020, 02:24:43 PM


You don't need beds for dead bodies.
Nope, but you need beds to keep people from being dead bodies.


Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2020, 02:25:52 PM


When the wife had her hip surgery (Nov.), she stayed ON at the hospital.  She had almost the entire 8th floor to herself, I actually did not see another room with a patient in it.  She had a private room (with a great view).  This was the orthopedic floor.  When I'd go down to the cafeteria they didn't seem that crowded.  (They had a McDonald's in the cafeteria area.)  I can see at times hospitals might over build, but Georgia also has the CON regulation.

We're hurting right now because Grady the largest in the state had a water leak that apparently wiped out three floors of ICUs.  Some water leak.  The mayor said all four major hospitals here are using the  full ICU capacity (not beds).

The hospitals today are the size of small colleges.


That's bad news.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MarqHusker on April 04, 2020, 02:28:10 PM
What's that ship in NYC harbor doing now?  Admittedly I dont have an hourly update but noticed they have one w beds there now?  Musings of red tape related to finding your way on board was the gist of the story.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2020, 02:29:40 PM
What's that ship in NYC harbor doing now?  Admittedly I dont have an hourly update but noticed they have one w beds there now?  Musings of red tape related to finding your way on board was the gist of the story.
You're only going to read about the bad news WRT that ship right now. It will be needed and there will be good news about it. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 04, 2020, 02:48:32 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs/
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 04, 2020, 03:24:50 PM
Nope, but you need beds to keep people from being dead bodies.



Yes, but I'm saying, on 9/11, those 3,000 people were dead on the spot.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 04, 2020, 03:25:25 PM
National Review articles.  
Sure, why not.  :banghead:
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2020, 03:43:25 PM
Yes, but I'm saying, on 9/11, those 3,000 people were dead on the spot.
Correct, but what if they weren't? Nobody has thought of this? I mean, you and I couldn't have imagined this happening, but people get paid to think about these things.

People think that a densely populated city with more residents than most states should have more hospital beds than those states, no? The metro area of NYC just inside the State is about 20 Million people. Ohio has 12 million and more beds. Illinois has 12 million and more beds.

I was shocked to see those numbers. I had to do my own research to find out because nobody is talking about it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 04, 2020, 03:49:37 PM
Lack of planning on their part does not constitute an emergancy on our part..At least NYC can float hospital ships down their way.What if the Virus goes viral in those other places?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 04, 2020, 03:59:34 PM
Lulz.  You're never wrong OAM.  Never, ever.

Continue on.
Maybe this is why I'm confident.  Whenever I plainly ask for reasoning behind an argument, you just jump ship.  You don't get to bitch about my arrogance if you're never going to provide reasoning when we're at odds.  
.
Don't be the coward behind his keyboard.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: bwarbiany on April 04, 2020, 03:59:49 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs/
And maybe this will lead back to a lab. And the CCP will end up with a PR problem for covering it up.

And then where does it go? Closing the barn door after the horse is out doesn't help the world. And I don't think we're going to go to war over it and kill a couple million more people. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2020, 04:00:25 PM
The only state close to NY with extra bed capacity is PA, which has about double what is projected there. Maybe some patients can be transported if need be. NY, NJ, CT, RI and MA are all short, with NY being in the worst shape. 

I'm not saying they should have 80,000 beds. I'm saying they should have more than Ohio.

Alabama is next in line for being in the worst shape here, with 28K projected needs versus 5700 beds available.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2020, 04:01:17 PM
And maybe this will lead back to a lab. And the CCP will end up with a PR problem for covering it up.

And then where does it go? Closing the barn door after the horse is out doesn't help the world. And I don't think we're going to go to war over it and kill a couple million more people.
WW3
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 04, 2020, 04:01:20 PM
Correct, but what if they weren't? Nobody has thought of this? I mean, you and I couldn't have imagined this happening, but people get paid to think about these things.

People think that a densely populated city with more residents than most states should have more hospital beds than those states, no? The metro area of NYC just inside the State is about 20 Million people. Ohio has 12 million and more beds. Illinois has 12 million and more beds.

I was shocked to see those numbers. I had to do my own research to find out because nobody is talking about it.
Where are they supposed to put all of the long-term beds they need?  A new skyscraper?  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 04:02:21 PM
I think "we" only have two hospital ships.

https://www.military.com/military-life/everything-you-need-know-about-navys-hospital-ships.html (https://www.military.com/military-life/everything-you-need-know-about-navys-hospital-ships.html)

One did deploy yo NYC after 9/11.  There were injured casualties in that event of course.  Not everyone was killed.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 04, 2020, 04:03:00 PM
And maybe this will lead back to a lab. And the CCP will end up with a PR problem for covering it up.

And then where does it go? Closing the barn door after the horse is out doesn't help the world. And I don't think we're going to go to war over it and kill a couple million more people.
I don't think China can genuinely have any kind of PR problem.
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Its citizens: don't like it, shut up or you're dead.
Other countries (including us): don't like it, okay, we'll stop sending you all of the things you need to exist.
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China can shrug anything off.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 04, 2020, 04:03:55 PM

Alabama is next in line for being in the worst shape here, with 28K projected needs versus 5700 beds available.
No, no, they'll be fine.  They're praying the virus away.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 04:04:05 PM
Where are they supposed to put all of the long-term beds they need?  A new skyscraper? 
They would not need to be on Manhattan obviously, or even within one of the five Bs.  There is vacant land within a 5 mile radius, and in fact, it's possible NJ has capacity for NYC, I don't know that.  Just looking at NYC capacity COULD be misleading if ample hospital capacity is just across a line.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 04:05:22 PM
China might learn it has a PR issue after this resolves, but I tend to think humans go back to doing what was most comfortable.

You get a heart attack and survive and then for a month you try and quit smoking and eating better, and 6 months later you figure "I liked my old lifestyle better."
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 04, 2020, 04:05:26 PM
Right, they'd need a circle of satelitte hospitals for emergencies.  But what are those hospitals doing the other 99.9% of the time?  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 04, 2020, 04:06:09 PM
WW3
Leave them alone maybe Putin will go over the wall
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 04:10:57 PM
I presume there is some idea ration of hospital beds to population and someone knows it.  If NY State is way off that, there could be a problem.

Florida would need more I presume, and maybe AZ.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 04:12:40 PM
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/rankings-and-ratings/10-states-with-the-fewest-community-hospital-beds-per-1-000-population.html (https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/rankings-and-ratings/10-states-with-the-fewest-community-hospital-beds-per-1-000-population.html)

Below are the 10 states with the fewest staffed hospital beds at community hospitals per 1,000 population, based on data from the 1999-2018 AHA Annual Survey and population data from the U.S. Census Bureau.

1. Oregon: 1.6
2. Washington: 1.7
3. New Mexico: 1.8
4. Utah: 1.8
5. California: 1.8
6. Colorado: 1.9
7. Maryland: 1.9
8. Arizona: 1.9
9: Idaho: 1.9
10. Hawaii: 1.9


https://www.statista.com/statistics/184546/community-hospital-beds-per-1000-population-in-the-us/ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/184546/community-hospital-beds-per-1000-population-in-the-us/)



Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2020, 04:14:03 PM
They would not need to be on Manhattan obviously, or even within one of the five Bs.  There is vacant land within a 5 mile radius, and in fact, it's possible NJ has capacity for NYC, I don't know that.  Just looking at NYC capacity COULD be misleading if ample hospital capacity is just across a line.
NJ is short, with a projected need of 9600 versus a bed count of 7800.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 04, 2020, 04:14:31 PM
No, no, they'll be fine.  They're praying the virus away.
Ya know Cal Berkely did a blind test i forget how long.2Seperate hospital groups one was prayed for one was not.The group doted over consistently got better.There just may be something to be said for good vibes
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2020, 04:17:03 PM
Right, they'd need a circle of satelitte hospitals for emergencies.  But what are those hospitals doing the other 99.9% of the time? 
You are grossly missing the point here:

Ohio has more beds than New York. I can't put it more simple terms than that.


Your Alabama comment was in very poor taste.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2020, 04:18:18 PM
I presume there is some idea ration of hospital beds to population and someone knows it.  If NY State is way off that, there could be a problem.

Florida would need more I presume, and maybe AZ.


Florida and Arizona have enough beds, based on the IHME projections.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 04, 2020, 04:27:36 PM
You are grossly missing the point here:

Ohio has more beds than New York. I can't put it more simple terms than that.


Your Alabama comment was in very poor taste.
Ohio also has SPACE.  NYC does not.
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My Alabama comment is only in poor taste if the prayer doesn't work.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 04, 2020, 04:28:09 PM
Florida and Arizona have enough beds, based on the IHME projections.
FL got to export a lot of their infected humans when they went back home from spring break.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 04, 2020, 04:28:39 PM
You are grossly missing the point here:

Ohio has more beds than New York. I can't put it more simple terms than that.


Your Alabama comment was in very poor taste.
As much money the Hospitals collects there is no excuse for that shortage.I have 80% coverage and I'm still paying for a few short stays.Maybe the wonks shouldn't be pocketing all the profits.But those Ohio Beds need to stay put,people like me have paid for them
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 04, 2020, 04:32:54 PM
Ohio also has SPACE.  NYC does not.
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My Alabama comment is only in poor taste if the prayer doesn't work. 
I don't imagine when your car slides off a cliff or you're having a massive that you are going to yell "F-YOU GOD"
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 04, 2020, 04:37:34 PM
Ohio also has SPACE.  NYC does not.
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My Alabama comment is only in poor taste if the prayer doesn't work. 
There is plenty of cheap land in NY state not far from the city. 

And as much as I dislike the religious right and the Bible Belt, your comment was in poor taste. People are dying in this country and many more are going to die still. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 04, 2020, 04:43:50 PM
I don't think China can genuinely have any kind of PR problem.
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Its citizens: don't like it, shut up or you're dead.
Other countries (including us): don't like it, okay, we'll stop sending you all of the things you need to exist.
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China can shrug anything off.
This isn’t true. At all. The Chinese economy has been tanking for months because of this. This will be by the worst economy China has seen since the ‘80s when off-shoring began and foreign investment began pouring into their country in droves and their economy exploded into the stratosphere.

China is in the midst of a massive PR problem and they are doing everything they can to spin the narrative and save face.

The U.K. is going to terminate its deal with Huawei to build its new 5G networks over this. Other EU countries are talking about doing the same.

US multinationals are expediting their exit strategies to pull production out of China and US lawmakers are openly talking about going after China and moving production of essential things like pharmaceuticals and medical equipment back to US soil permanently.

This will be devastating for China and it’ll accelerate the rise of Mexico as the western worlds next low cost manufacturing hub.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2020, 04:45:26 PM
Ohio also has SPACE.  NYC does not.
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There is plenty of space in an around New York.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 04:46:33 PM
Yup, Thailand and Vietnam and Taiwan will benefit from this, to the extent they have not already.  The supply chain analysis is going to change for a lot of companies.  At least for a while.  China might undercut everyone and horn back in over time.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 04:47:52 PM
How expensive would it be to have more hospital ships  on standby?  They would be spartan crewed most of the time, going out on occasion for practice and drills, and when an emergency hits, MDs are called in from reserves for spot treatment as needed.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: MrNubbz on April 04, 2020, 04:49:54 PM
 China might undercut everyone and horn back in over time.
That might be the only card they have left to play.That or War
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 04:55:04 PM
Who would China invade if they resorted to war?  Vietnam?  Taiwan?  Thailand?  Not really an ideal scenario for them.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 04, 2020, 04:56:18 PM
Yup, Thailand and Vietnam and Taiwan will benefit from this, to the extent they have not already.  The supply chain analysis is going to change for a lot of companies.  At least for a while.  China might undercut everyone and horn back in over time.
Not sure that China can horn back in. The exit from the big US/Euro/UK multinationals was already underway.  

Property values have gone up so much, wages in China have risen so much over the past 30 years, and pollution had gotten so bad that the government finally had to step in and set up some form of environmental regulations- that those three things combined with the Trump China tariffs we’re already making it ever more expensive to produce there that companies were already either leaving or planning to leave. All this coronavirus bullshit did was just expedite all of their plans to pull out. All that’s going to happen is they are all just going to pull out a lot faster than planned. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Honestbuckeye on April 04, 2020, 04:59:02 PM
847- you are asking the right questions. It irritates some because it doesn’t fit a political narrative. 

Look, I work in a midsize to small community bank. I am responsible for two lines of business so only about 100 people. We were prepared for this in terms of having the equipment the processes the procedures and protocols to work from home very quickly. If we were not I would’ve lost my job very quickly. Why? Because we practiced for this type of situation. That’s right a pandemic, A hurricane, civil unrest etc.

Please don’t tell me that any major hospital in this country is not absolutely required to have a pandemic plan which includes all of the equipment, masks, ventilators, etc.  Just buy the evidence you’ve presented badge, it proves that some were very well prepared for this and some are not. In looking at this from the “what went wrong standpoint and “it starts right there in the local hospitals in the local governments and not at the top as some would have you believe. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 04, 2020, 04:59:47 PM
Who would China invade if they resorted to war?  Vietnam?  Taiwan?  Thailand?  Not really an ideal scenario for them. 
They know this. They have no means to get their massive Army anywhere.

On offense, I think you'd have to start by destroying their resources in the South China Sea. I'm sure the other countries around there would lend a hand.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Mdot21 on April 04, 2020, 05:04:45 PM
They know this. They have no means to get their massive Army anywhere.

On offense, I think you'd have to start by destroying their resources in the South China Sea. I'm sure the other countries around there would lend a hand.
Maybe they’d try to invade Australia? Australian politicians by the way are just as pissed off at China as US, EU, U.K. politicians are. Probably more actually.

I’m with you, first plan of attack would be to destroy all the man made islands and military bases they’ve built up in the South China Sea.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 05:07:09 PM
China has next to zero ability to "project power".  Sending troops somewhere across water is difficult, basically only the US can manage this at any decent scale.

Anyone else who tried would be in trouble on logistics aside from moving enough troops.  GB and France can move about a brigade sized unit if we help.

This is the main reason the US spends so much on "defense".
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 04, 2020, 05:08:38 PM
This isn’t true. At all. The Chinese economy has been tanking for months because of this. This will be by the worst economy China has seen since the ‘80s when off-shoring began and foreign investment began pouring into their country in droves and their economy exploded into the stratosphere.

China is in the midst of a massive PR problem and they are doing everything they can to spin the narrative and save face.

The U.K. is going to terminate its deal with Huawei to build its new 5G networks over this. Other EU countries are talking about doing the same.

US multinationals are expediting their exit strategies to pull production out of China and US lawmakers are openly talking about going after China and moving production of essential things like pharmaceuticals and medical equipment back to US soil permanently.

This will be devastating for China and it’ll accelerate the rise of Mexico as the western worlds next low cost manufacturing hub.
I think you're ignoring the fact that China is going to own about 99 cents of every new dollar made in the middle east and Africa in the next 20-50 years.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 04, 2020, 05:10:28 PM
. In looking at this from the “what went wrong standpoint and “it starts right there in the local hospitals in the local governments and not at the top as some would have you believe.
It's not either/or.  Stop that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 05:10:54 PM
I think you're ignoring the fact that China is going to own about 99 cents of every new dollar made in the middle east and Africa in the next 20-50 years. 
I don't understand this.  If a new dollar is made in the Middle East, why wouldn't the ME country own it?
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 04, 2020, 05:12:52 PM
 People are dying in this country and many more are going to die still.
I know that.  Tell them that.  Tell the pastors insisting on congregating their flocks, jeopardizing their lives.  
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risking people's lives > posting ideas in poor taste
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 04, 2020, 05:15:34 PM
Who would China invade if they resorted to war?  Vietnam?  Taiwan?  Thailand?  Not really an ideal scenario for them. 
This is an antiquated idea of what war would be in 2020 and beyond.  
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It'd mostly be computer-executed.  Physically, it would probably simply look like bombing major targets and an email that says, "Do what we tell you to and we'll stop."
Invading just produces an albatross of maintenance and holding people under your thumb.  
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 04, 2020, 05:16:55 PM
This is my favorite, though.  When the thread about a virus devolves into "let's go to war with China."
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 05:18:20 PM
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-us-maps-and-cases/ (https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-us-maps-and-cases/)

This is a map updated every few minutes if anyone is interested (and not scared of CNN etc.)  The states with the worst ratios of known infected to 100K people are New York, New Jersey, Louisiana, and Michigan.  NY and NJ of course share a border.

CA is doing pretty well by this metric.  I realize more may be infected than is shown in these figures.

Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 05:19:38 PM
This is an antiquated idea of what war would be in 2020 and beyond. 
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It'd mostly be computer-executed.  Physically, it would probably simply look like bombing major targets and an email that says, "Do what we tell you to and we'll stop."
Invading just produces an albatross of maintenance and holding people under your thumb. 

Are you at all familiar with China's bombing capabilities?

Do you mean bombing in reality, with planes, or even missiles?  Nope.
Title: Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
Post by: Cincydawg on April 04, 2020, 05:20:02 PM