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OrangeAfroMan

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QB with the most help around him
« on: December 29, 2020, 10:47:49 PM »
It's been mentioned here about how much credit goes to the QB (with the Heisman vote), but how certain QBs on certain teams have all the support in the world around them. 
I brought up how Mac Jones is protected by NFL linemen, hands off to an NFL RB, and throws to an NFL WR.  The classic example of this kind of QB is Ken Dorsey of Miami (2000-01).
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This isn't dragging any of these guys down, they're all good and earned the spots they ended up in.
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During the Cheez-It Bowl, the announcer mentioned how Mike Gundy still has some OKie State records.  And I thought, well yeah, look at that offense.  He was handing off to Barry Sanders!  And he was throwing to OK State's best WR ever in Hart Lee Dykes!  That's pretty nice, isn't it? 
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What are some other QBs who basically sat in a Ferrari every Saturday?
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Re: QB with the most help around him
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2020, 11:31:01 PM »
Sam Bradford had some pretty good WRs to throw to in 2008.

No dominant RB though.
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Re: QB with the most help around him
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2020, 11:31:59 PM »
Most of the good ones?

All the good Gator ones (and some of the bad ones).
Most of the good Bama ones.
Most of the good Clemson ones 
Just about all the good OSU ones
The Michigan ones when Michigan was good
The good USC quarterbacks
It was more of a nice CRV, but John Stocco as a junior.

This exercise is silly. More intersting would be someone who was good with bad receivers and tailbacks. Find me those guys.
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Re: QB with the most help around him
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2020, 11:33:05 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on December 29, 2020, 11:31:01 PM
Sam Bradford had some pretty good WRs to throw to in 2008.

No dominant RB though.
He had 2 RBs rush for over 1,000 yards that season.  
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Re: QB with the most help around him
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2020, 11:34:49 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on December 29, 2020, 11:31:59 PM
Most of the good ones?

All the good Gator ones (and some of the bad ones).
Most of the good Bama ones.
Most of the good Clemson ones
Just about all the good OSU ones
The Michigan ones when Michigan was good
The good USC quarterbacks
It was more of a nice CRV, but John Stocco as a junior.

This exercise is silly. More intersting would be someone who was good with bad receivers and tailbacks. Find me those guys.
All the good Hoosier ones (and some of the bad ones).
Most of the good Vandy ones.
Most of the good Duke ones
Just about all the good Oregon State ones
The Stanford ones when Stanford was good
The WF quarterbacks
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This exercise is silly.  
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Re: QB with the most help around him
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2020, 11:35:00 PM »
John Navarre’s senior year he was throwing to Braylon Edwards (Top 5 NFL Draft pick), Jason Avant (3rd Rd) and Steve Breaston (4th Rd), handing it off to Chris Perry (1st round NFL RB), and being protected by an OL that had a couple NFL draft picks. 

Braylon had so much talent, he should’ve had a way better NFL career but he was a headcase with a drinking problem. Chris Perry’s body just completely fell apart in the NFL. I don’t think he was ever healthy. He had injury after injury. 
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Re: QB with the most help around him
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2020, 11:35:10 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on December 29, 2020, 11:31:01 PM
Sam Bradford had some pretty good WRs to throw to in 2008.

No dominant RB though.
Did have an NFL rushing champ and another NFL back, and interestingly no next-level WR talent. Good TE though.
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Re: QB with the most help around him
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2020, 11:35:54 PM »
bayarea, simply don't partake in the thread.  It's like you're against gay marriage - something that has nothing to do with you.  This thread, we've learned, has nothing to do with you.  
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Re: QB with the most help around him
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2020, 11:37:37 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 29, 2020, 11:35:00 PM
John Navarre’s senior year he was throwing to Braylon Edwards (Top 5 NFL Draft pick), Jason Avant (3rd Rd) and Steve Breaston (4th Rd), handing it off to Chris Perry (1st round NFL RB), and being protected by an OL that had a couple NFL draft picks.

Braylon had so much talent, he should’ve had a way better NFL career but he was a headcase with a drinking problem. Chris Perry’s body just completely fell apart in the NFL. I don’t think he was ever healthy. He had injury after injury.
This is OT, but I don't care - what was the difference between Chris Perry and Mike Hart?  In my mind, without checking, they were both 3 or 4-year starters who were productive and relatively slow.  But they got you those 4 yards every carry and UM rode them into the ground.  What distinguishes them?
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Re: QB with the most help around him
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2020, 11:38:21 PM »
Well, pick a Miami QB from 86-92. Testaverde, Walsh, Erickson, Toretta.

Matt Leinart was another one. Probably a lot of FSU’s QBs during their great run from 87-2000. Ward, Kanell, Wills, Weinke.  Every Bama QB since Saban has been the there.

Ohio St and UGA QBs the last few years. Not that any of these guys weren’t good players in their own right but they were all surrounded by talent everywhere.
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2020, 11:41:02 PM »
Related to this thread was successful RBs who weren't ballyhooed.  Namely Brent Fullwood.  No, he wasn't Bo Jackson, physically.  But he had a better career yards per carry than Bo did.  He was a first-round pick, but didn't do much in the NFL.
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It just makes me think that maybe that Auburn OL was underrated.  
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Re: QB with the most help around him
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2020, 11:42:31 PM »
Who was the one other than DeMarco Murray?

Never mind.  Chris Brown.  I thought he might be the one, but I didn't remember that he had more yards than Murray did.

1220 to 1002.

Two very good backs.

But I was thinking "dominant" in the way the guy OAM mentioned in the OP--Barry Sanders--was dominant.  So no Adrian Peterson, Billy Sims, Steve Owens, Greg Pruitt, Joe Washington types.
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Re: QB with the most help around him
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2020, 11:45:16 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 29, 2020, 11:34:49 PM
All the good Hoosier ones (and some of the bad ones).
Most of the good Vandy ones.
Most of the good Duke ones
Just about all the good Oregon State ones
The Stanford ones when Stanford was good
The WF quarterbacks
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This exercise is silly. 
Are there good Hoosier QBs? 

Also, if you're building a game about CFB, remembering some of the good west coast skill guys might be good. Stepfan Taylor, Toby Gerhart, Tyler Gaffney, Whiteside, Montgomery, Coby Fleener, Ertz,Jacquizz Rodgers, Yvenson Bernard, Steven Jackson, Mike Hass, Brandin Cooks, James Rodgers. They made some dudes look good.

For the original game, does Tebow count? He had Rainey, Demps, Harvin, Murphy, Hernandez, Cooper.
Trask had Pitts and Toney, plus the other kid who skipped the bowl
Trevor Lawrence had Travis Etienne, Tee Higgins, Ross, Rogers
That whole crew around Danny Wuerffel
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Re: QB with the most help around him
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2020, 11:48:46 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on December 29, 2020, 11:35:10 PM
Did have an NFL rushing champ and another NFL back, and interestingly no next-level WR talent. Good TE though.
Ryan Broyles played 3 years with the Lions.
Juaquin Iglesias and Manny Johnson were very nice college WRs.
Yes, Jermaine Gresham was a good TE.  He had a 9-year career in the NFL.
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