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Everybody needs ICs.  You can only have so many managers, not doing any real work but still taking salary...

Where do I get that job?

We finally established a "dual ladder", which didn't work very well, managers on one side and "technologists" on the other.  There were 3-4 managers at the same level of a single tech guy though, so your odds of advancement were much higher as a manager, especially if you were female.  The choice was voluntary, and VERY few females chose the tech side, I advised several of them to choose because they would have advanced rapidly on the tech side.  None of them did.

My buddy from South Africa was on the tech side and that was why they counted him as "African American", seriously.  He was the only one at his level in our group and they showed the numbers and he asked me who was the black person at his level in our group.  He was it, he knew it, I knew it.  He wanted to make a scene and I talked him out of it.

He had red hair and freckles.

Yeah pretty much every high tech company I've ever worked for uses some type of "dual ladder" approach.  It works with varying degrees of success.

The issue for ICs climbing the technologist ladder, is that you only need so many super-senior-level ones, for the business.  Generally it ends up being a place for PHDs doing R&D or Advanced Product Development type work.  Because no matter how good an IC might be at the job, you just don't need to pay VP-level money for him or her. 

We had very few PhDs at the top level, they were mostly engineers.  Why?  The managers were nearly all engineers, and the managers made the decisions on promotions.

I think there were 8 at the top level when I left, maybe one was a PhD.  Maybe.  The managers were in general not competent to make these judgments on technical grounds, so they made them on "other" grounds, who could suck up the most was one of them.  And it helped a lot to have an important rabbi.

I'm not complaining, they paid me a lot for very little, I probably could have made one more level had I pedaled a lot, but I chose to phase out.

I would have been one level from the top, with no chance at the top.  I had a choice between staying on a project where my managers were  lying about my work, or taking a sinecure.  I would be driving home squeezing the steering wheel and thought I need to get away from this.  The managers lied that project into existence, the company spent a lot of money on it, and it basically flamed out, though I think they still make the product.

I confronted my direct manager and he told me "You have to exaggerate to get a product over the threshold."  Talking to his boss was pointless, and his boss was a lady VP who couldn't understand anything.  She was a cheerleader type, man was she DUMB, really really DUMB.  I hated having to present to her.

If the project had failed and any of their lies surfaced, they would have blamed me for it.  I was very vulnerable.

At least the bolded part helps in some with the finding. Hoping your training arrangement produces more of those and in turn more prosperous households.

There is nobody out there to hire. 

We train really well. The big firms ALWAYS try to come in and steal our 2-3 year engineers. Sometimes it works.

Interesting stuff.

Team Sweden Unlocked on Twitter: "Here’s the UK’s 2011 pandemic plan: Masks, Border Closures, Mass Gatherings: not recommended, no evidence to support their efficacy. Also: “It will not be possible to stop the spread of, or to eradicate, the pandemic” https://t.co/nej1Qtffuy https://t.co/CYjrcCMoDy" / Twitter
Team Sweden Unlocked on Twitter: "Here’s the UK’s 2011 pandemic plan: Masks, Border Closures, Mass Gatherings: not recommended, no evidence to support their efficacy. Also: “It will not be possible to stop the spread of, or to eradicate, the pandemic” https://t.co/nej1Qtffuy https://t.co/CYjrcCMoDy" / Twitter

The Varsity shuts its doors in Athens after nearly 90 years – WSB-TV Channel 2 - Atlanta (wsbtv.com)

I have mixed feelings about this, it's an old tradition, but the fact is their food isn't very good, the ones in ATL the same.

It was a fun visit when I was a kid, but I guess my palet has improved since.