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Title: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 02, 2020, 10:19:36 AM
... we're supposed to get our decks tiled this week, starting today.  Hopefully.  The wife has wanted this for two years now.  The deck surfaces are raw concrete, somewhat discolored in spots by rust.  I hope it looks better, the estimate came in under what I expected.

Cool crisp fall day here.  Nothing notable to report, but I see a lot of campaign signs dotted about so I infer we have an election shortly.  We have two Senate races this year, and one is likely to have a runoff.

Can you imagine if that seat is the pivotal seat for control?  The money spent here will prop up the economy.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 02, 2020, 10:53:50 AM
oughta charge the campaigns triple for every mailing through the USPS and quadrupole for every text message sent

maybe we wouldn't get as many - it's silly

TV and radio ADs???  Triple the $$$

prop up the economy  
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 02, 2020, 10:56:47 AM
I have to believe ad costs go up due to supply and demand.  The wife turns on local news at times and it's 90% political ads.  That second Senate race is destined for a run off and COULD be the pivotal vote for Senate control.  I may move.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 02, 2020, 11:03:16 AM
EVANSTON, Ill. – A demonstration Saturday by Northwestern University students ended as a violent protest with property damage, police said.

The protest was started by approximately 150 students who are demanding the university abolish its police department, part of a group called ‘NU Community Not Cops.’ A statement from Northwestern University Graduate Workers (NUGW) said two members were pepper-sprayed during the protests.

The statement said Evanston police arrived to the protests in riot gear with K-9 units, aided by the Northern Illinois Police Alarm System, who are trained in ‘tactical crowd control.’ NUGW alleges the environment facilitated violence.

Police said protesters threw bricks at Evanston police officers, shined high-powered lasers into their eyes and threw fireworks at officers.

Police Chief Demetrius Cook spoke out Sunday, saying the protesters turned to violence.

“We allowed them to do peaceful assembly and we would have let it ride until they turned to violence with bricks,” Cook said.

In response, police said they deployed pepper spray and arrested one Northwestern student.

The student was released from Evanston police custody early Sunday, the university said.

A statement from NUGW reads:

“We unequivocally condemn the police brutality on display last night. Last night proved once again that it is heavily armed, militarized police who create and escalate violence. As NU Community not Cops has long argued, and as we unfortunately saw on display last evening, the police do not, and never will, keep us safe.”

The statement also criticized an e-mail from Northwestern President Morton Schapiro sent to the campus community on October 19, which the organization said warned students ‘who violate rules and laws’ that he was ‘making it abundantly clear that you will be held accountable.’

The organization said members reported an increase in police aggression and repeated attempts by police to provoke the protesters in the days following the e-mail, and called for Schapiro’s immediate resignation.

Evanston Mayor Stephen Hagerty penned a letter to the President of Northwestern University, saying that residents do not support protesters throwing objects at police officers and damaging property.

Hagerty also said he expects the university to cover the cost for city officers responding to a month-long series of anti-police protests, mostly led by students.

Northwestern issued the following statement.

“As we have stated before, Northwestern strongly supports the free expression of ideas and vigorous debate, abiding principles that are fundamental to our University. Northwestern protects the right to protest, but we do not condone breaking the law. Should members of the Northwestern community be found in violation of University policies, state or federal laws, they will be held accountable through our processes.”


https://wgntv.com/news/northwestern-students-clash-with-police-in-evanston/?fbclid=IwAR0eobgrnv3OlAfV7lMrgdd-rkLsCmarFp_BT4o-6Aa8RUq_8Oo4rZ2tVPk (https://wgntv.com/news/northwestern-students-clash-with-police-in-evanston/?fbclid=IwAR0eobgrnv3OlAfV7lMrgdd-rkLsCmarFp_BT4o-6Aa8RUq_8Oo4rZ2tVPk)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 02, 2020, 11:09:23 AM
oughta charge the campaigns triple for every mailing through the USPS and quadrupole for every text message sent

maybe we wouldn't get as many - it's silly

TV and radio ADs???  Triple the $$$

prop up the economy 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 02, 2020, 11:09:35 AM
I have to believe ad costs go up due to supply and demand.  The wife turns on local news at times and it's 90% political ads.  That second Senate race is destined for a run off and COULD be the pivotal vote for Senate control.  I may move.
Maybe vote instead?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 02, 2020, 11:13:28 AM
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34536259/2022-cadillac-v-series-blackwing-magnesium-wheels/?utm_source=facebook&src=socialflowFBCAD&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&fbclid=IwAR2YUmLigAaPTqIv9h2OfgPYxJ2sRqZKd5PxoGSC5q4DQwNy9Pd-ab_vfB4

Mag wheels, on a Caddy.

I have an interest in "tanks", armored fighting vehicles etc.  I mentioned elsewhere that the Czechs had some good tanks in 1939, in fact the Germans used them liberally in their Panzer divisions (Panzer means tank, just as does Char in French, like chariot).  The Czechs also had some formidable defensive fortifications on the German border, think mini-Maginot Line that would have given the Germans problems.

The French wanted no part of war with Germany and bailed leaving Chamberlain to try and make the best of a bad deal as there was no way for the UK to go to war without France.  Had they stayed out of it, the Czechs might have given the Germans a bloody nose.  Instead, part of the country was ceded, and then later the rest was grabbed along with considerably tank making industry and design.

The Czech chassis later were used to make tank destroyers where the tanks themselves were judged too lightly armored.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 02, 2020, 11:13:45 AM
* Given all the pandemic weirdness, Moos and his chief security man, retired New York City cop Patrick Kelly, likely won't be able to visit their favorite hot dog stop in the Big Ten. That would be Mustard's Last Stand in Evanston, where they devoured Chicago-style dogs in 2018.

They take this stuff seriously. At the end of each season, they rank the best hot dog at each conference road game. In 2019, the winner — "hands down," according to Moos — was a hot dog stand at Maryland.

"Best brat in town," the stand worker told Moos.

But it's hard to top Mustard's Last Stand.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 02, 2020, 11:19:40 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window
I'm not saying these boosters of political influence should spend their money on new shoes or a new book for their library.

I'm saying they spend the same amount of money on the influence of an election, but we the people get fewer pieces of mail, fewer ads on the TV and radio, and fewer text messages to delete. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 02, 2020, 11:20:00 AM
But it's hard to top Mustard's Last Stand.
It's hard to top a Chicago dog.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 02, 2020, 11:22:10 AM
... you put a pickle on it.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 02, 2020, 11:31:34 AM
... you put a pickle on it.
Included.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 02, 2020, 11:50:31 AM
There have been numerous mentions how Nebraska’s marriage to the Big Ten is on the rocks, that it’s hit a “rough patch”, and may even be over.

Nebraska’s Marriage To The Big Ten Has Never Been Better


Nebraska’s Marriage To The Big Ten Has Never Been Better - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVD87OoQKdE&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0c1_NNWw-lKTF2Nb-jTJ6Cr9c2mXv3IPrCi199aluq36dpQTS8Mc0gTcM)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 02, 2020, 12:15:12 PM
https://geneandjudes.com/

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 02, 2020, 12:19:50 PM
No Ketchup
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 02, 2020, 12:30:02 PM
Never.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 02, 2020, 12:39:26 PM
A plain hotdog with mustard can be a fine thing.  The red sauce, never ever.

I like chopped onions and sauerkraut and maybe jalapenoes at times.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 02, 2020, 12:42:27 PM
A hot dog with slaw, onions, mustard, and hot sauce is a hell of a thing.  
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 02, 2020, 12:43:22 PM
I loathe pickles and pickle relish, those will never visit a hot dog of mine (or any other food item).

Mustard, for sure.  And no ketchup, obviously.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 02, 2020, 12:45:49 PM
I like mine the way the come at G&J.

Mustard, relish, onion, sport peppers. They come topped with fries, which are phenomenal. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 02, 2020, 01:08:35 PM
I loathe pickles and pickle relish, those will never visit a hot dog of mine (or any other food item).

Mustard, for sure.  And no ketchup, obviously.
You're missing out. Pickles are delicious.

I like mine the way the come at G&J.

Mustard, relish, onion, sport peppers. They come topped with fries, which are phenomenal.
I've never understood the allure of putting fries on a sandwich like those weirdoes in Pittsburgh or topping something like a hot dog with fries. I've never been in a situation where it actually improved the sandwich. 

Had some delicious carne asada fries at the brewery on Saturday, though. Damn fine plate of food. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 02, 2020, 01:10:20 PM
pickles and fries on the side

pickle relish?  terrible
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 02, 2020, 01:25:11 PM
The tile guys are here now, I went to get a Willy Philly and they were out of tortillos, and crowded.  So I got a bowl, tasty.

We have a plumber coming later and already had an electrician here.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 02, 2020, 01:46:25 PM
Pickles are disgusting.  Not missing out at all.  Gag.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: GopherRock on November 02, 2020, 01:49:39 PM
Pickle relish is okay on it's own. There's a burger place in Seattle that uses it on a burger and it's not too bad. But it's NOT sweet relish, which is the trash that takes up space in the condiment bar.

Hot dogs and brats are great with brown mustard and raw onions.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 02, 2020, 02:17:28 PM
have you ever met a hot dog or brat you didn't like?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: GopherRock on November 02, 2020, 02:55:10 PM
have you ever met a hot dog or brat you didn't like?
I tried one that had gummy bears as part of the filling. Hard pass.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MarqHusker on November 02, 2020, 02:59:52 PM
I think the fries over the dog are more about wrapping the fries w the dog in one package than it is fries 'on' the dog.. . Like the weirdos in Pittsburgh. 

At least that's how I've interpreted, received and consumed the Chicago style dogs in my days in either No Ill or in SE Wisconsin. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 02, 2020, 03:12:39 PM
I think the fries over the dog are more about wrapping the fries w the dog in one package than it is fries 'on' the dog.. . Like the weirdos in Pittsburgh.

At least that's how I've interpreted, received and consumed the Chicago style dogs in my days in either No Ill or in SE Wisconsin.
Correct, but I always leave a couple on when I'm eating.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 02, 2020, 03:42:59 PM
I think the fries over the dog are more about wrapping the fries w the dog in one package than it is fries 'on' the dog.. . Like the weirdos in Pittsburgh.

At least that's how I've interpreted, received and consumed the Chicago style dogs in my days in either No Ill or in SE Wisconsin.
Yeah, but why bother wrapping the fries with the dog? Is there some packaging shortage I'm not aware of? 

Seems like separate packaging would be the ideal, and then people who want fries on their hot dog have all the freedom in the world to put fries on their hot dog.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 02, 2020, 03:46:42 PM
I've never had fries on a hot dog, but onion rings on a hamburger can be pretty freaking great.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 02, 2020, 03:51:21 PM
I've never had fries on a hot dog, but onion rings on a hamburger can be pretty freaking great.
These are awesome, either on a burger or off it...


https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/ree-drummond/onion-strings-recipe-3381887
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 02, 2020, 03:59:06 PM
have you ever met a hot dog or brat you didn't like?
Brats cooked offset on the grill just so the casing doesn't burst,I use Pepper Ridge Farms sausage rolls with poppy/sesame seeds.Top that with diced raw onion and spicy brown mustard of your choice - thank me later.Wash it down with a sudsy concoction
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 02, 2020, 04:25:06 PM
The wife likes the appearance of the tiled deck so far, which is a good thing.

I like the redder sausage hotdog things, not the white ones.  I used to eat Ballpark a lot because I was poor.  Er.

The French don't have hot dogs that I ever saw.  The step grand kids think they are fantastic when they visit.  But they put that red stuff on them.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 02, 2020, 05:01:52 PM
I tried one that had gummy bears as part of the filling. Hard pass.
well, there you got me.

I wouldn't eat that either

I tried a drink concoction that was nothing more than a cup full of gummy bears covered in vodka

not good
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 02, 2020, 05:03:52 PM
The French restaurant has a desert called a "Colonel" (pronounced the French way as opposed to "kernel").  It is a sorbet drowned in Grey Goose.

It's quite tasty.  We're going tomorrow for dinner.

The wife and I watched "My Octopus Teacher" and she says I am no longer to eat octopus.  Hrumph.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 02, 2020, 05:26:20 PM
I made homemade gyros yesterday. I must say I was very pleased.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 02, 2020, 05:28:45 PM
I made homemade gyros yesterday. I must say I was very pleased.
How? Rotisserie or not?


(https://i.imgur.com/N7incaa.png)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 02, 2020, 05:31:10 PM
The French restaurant has a desert called a "Colonel" (pronounced the French way as opposed to "kernel").  It is a sorbet drowned in Grey Goose.

It's quite tasty.  We're going tomorrow for dinner.

The wife and I watched "My Octopus Teacher" and she says I am no longer to eat octopus.  Hrumph.
Well good lord, don't let her watch Charlotte's Web or you'll never get bacon again!
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: SFBadger96 on November 02, 2020, 05:36:01 PM
Mmmmm, bacon.

I made fried cut potatoes for the first time yesterday ("French Fries," "Freedom Fries," whatever). They were pretty good. I overcooked them just a tad, but my daughter prefers them that way; my son said they tasted like the ones from Five Guys--and I think he wasn't far off. I didn't think there was enough salt, but SFIrish was happier that way.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 02, 2020, 06:30:39 PM
In my feeble efforts to fry potatoes back in school, I overloaded the small fryer I had, and the taters cooled off the grease, leading to greasy nasty "fries".

I really should have understood heat capacity better than that.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 02, 2020, 06:31:53 PM
Well good lord, don't let her watch Charlotte's Web or you'll never get bacon again!
She really likes bacon, so they helps, and her daughter's name is Charlotte, pronounced slightly differently.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 02, 2020, 06:43:09 PM
I made homemade gyros yesterday. I must say I was very pleased.
Yeah what kind of meat did you use?
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Post by: MarqHusker on November 02, 2020, 09:57:34 PM
More importantly,  how do you make your tzatziki sauce.

The meat while important, yes,  can't make it a gyro, not wo excellent pita, or tzatziki.   Of course I love some red onion and tomatoes too.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MarqHusker on November 02, 2020, 10:00:56 PM
Yeah, but why bother wrapping the fries with the dog? Is there some packaging shortage I'm not aware of?

Seems like separate packaging would be the ideal, and then people who want fries on their hot dog have all the freedom in the world to put fries on their hot dog.
Same reason the sandwich was invented.  It's portable, on the go, a nod to tradition.  Frankly I like the portion of fries, not too many, just enough.

Nothing says you can't place an order for more fries. 
As my brother said as a teenager,  every place is all you can eat, they aren't going to stop you from ordering more.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 03, 2020, 12:26:00 AM
It's a gimmick. Nothing more. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 03, 2020, 07:04:54 AM
The meat was a leg of lamb that I ground and then made into a paste in the food processer with all of the other spices and onions and garlic.

I baked it in a loaf pan in the toaster oven as we do not have a complete kitchen yet. That will be this week, I hope.

For the sauce, I strained the yogurt and cucumber. Added some salt, garlic, olive oil and red wine vinegar.

The pita was from a farmer's market.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 03, 2020, 07:06:06 AM
I wish I had that  much time on my hands.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 03, 2020, 07:27:20 AM
About 30 minutes of active. If you can't find that, you need a time manager.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 03, 2020, 07:43:39 AM
WTF is wrong with kids these days?


https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/evanston/ct-evr-community-response-northwestern-protests-tl-1105-20201103-wyhmlrwfavfmblekffrfzao5au-story.html

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 03, 2020, 07:53:23 AM
I just read in the Chicago paper that businesses there and across the country have boarded up their windows in advance of the election results.

Given that the former VP (ehh, current senator) is favored to win, nothing bad is going to happen as a result. 

If somehow the POTUS wins again, cities burn.

Glad to be living in a bubble right now, behind walls and gated.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 08:28:36 AM
I see no such preparations around here.  Back when there were protests about police shootings, one bank near us partly boarded up their large plate glass windows.  

I saw personally two "protests" that were not violent, rather noisy for a minute or two.

I think this city will stay mostly calm.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 08:30:04 AM
In other news, I overheard two folks talking about not understanding why the one who wins the popular vote is not President.  Neither of them said "electoral college", they just did not appear to understand the System.  They weren't saying it should change, they just didn't understand it, probably 28 years old or so.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 03, 2020, 08:42:33 AM
In other news, I overheard two folks talking about not understanding why the one who wins the popular vote is not President.  Neither of them said "electoral college", they just did not appear to understand the System.  They weren't saying it should change, they just didn't understand it, probably 28 years old or so.


That's grade school education stuff. At least it was when I was coming up. Perhaps things changed (duh).

And these kids are gonna vote today. Jeez.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 03, 2020, 09:00:44 AM
I just read in the Chicago paper that businesses there and across the country have boarded up their windows in advance of the election results.

Given that the former VP (ehh, current senator) is favored to win, nothing bad is going to happen as a result.

If somehow the POTUS wins again, cities burn.

Glad to be living in a bubble right now, behind walls and gated.
I worry that when POTUS loses, he's going to incite his fans via tweet to cause mayhem. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 09:05:47 AM
We found out last time, again, how many folks did not understand the EC and that the real vote is December 14.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 03, 2020, 09:13:40 AM
To be fair, it is a stupid system. Most people want to believe we have smart systems, so they assume competence where none exists.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 09:17:10 AM
Gorgeous weather here again, blue skies, 47°F at the moment.  The tile laying folks should be back soon, they can't start until 9:30 (building rules).  They laid about 20 sq ft yesterday, they started late.  The wife likes it.  I like it.  The decks are about 140 sq ft.

We noticed the newer fancier buildings have narrower decks, which makes sense as you "sell" interior space.

I get tired of hearing the term "open concept" on HGTV as if someone wants to rehab that is NOT OC.  Duh.

I dislike the term "en suite" as well, it's a bathroom.

You really need two sinks in the master bath unless you live alone.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 03, 2020, 09:51:42 AM
We opened up the house here. Took out the kitchen wall and now we have one big room, for cooking, dining and TV watching/sitting.

It's 66 right now, with low humidity. The high will be about 80. This is why I moved here.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 10:05:41 AM
I do like to have seasons, just not a miserable one.  

The tile guys say they will be done by tomorrow.  We lived for months during the kitchen redo that was rather painful, this is a walk in the park.

Which we will do in a bit.  It's 52°F now.

My step son got me an Apple watch and iPhone for my BDay.  It's a nice watch, but has some function that periodically tells me to breathe.  I can't turn that off apparently.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 03, 2020, 10:07:22 AM
Fingers crossed that this will be the final week of reno here. Then we just have random things that we will mostly self-perform, along with punch lists.

Grout in the kitchen today. Finish work in the master. Master should be complete today.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 10:17:11 AM
We did a kitchen in the house about 5 years ago.  The wife got really really stressed (I didn't).  It took three months mostly because they ordered the wrong island top.

This one lasted nearly 3 months mostly because the electrician added some strip outlets after the backsplash boys had measured, so the backsplash had to be remeasured and recut.  There was so much reno work going on in the city everything was backed up.

Little things cause delays.  

I thought the kitchen was OK when we bought the unit.  We did fatten up the cabinets which helps a lot in a smallish kitchen.

The brand new condos being built have some nice kitchens in them appearancewise anyway, because of course that sells.


(https://i.imgur.com/Gw63b5x.png)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 03, 2020, 10:26:14 AM
Beauty of a day in Columbus too. Started out cold but already warming up, a high around 60. We are going to do a renovation at some point. Not sure how extensive. We have a big sun room and I'd like to convert it to a big living room.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 03, 2020, 10:59:15 AM
To be fair, it is a stupid system. Most people want to believe we have smart systems, so they assume competence where none exists.
It's an antiquated system, based on a country that bears little resemblance to today. It was back when state borders were more than merely lines on a map. I wouldn't call it a "stupid" system though.

We did a kitchen in the house about 5 years ago.  The wife got really really stressed (I didn't).  It took three months mostly because they ordered the wrong island top.

This one lasted nearly 3 months mostly because the electrician added some strip outlets after the backsplash boys had measured, so the backsplash had to be remeasured and recut.  There was so much reno work going on in the city everything was backed up.

Little things cause delays. 

I thought the kitchen was OK when we bought the unit.  We did fatten up the cabinets which helps a lot in a smallish kitchen.

The brand new condos being built have some nice kitchens in them appearancewise anyway, because of course that sells.


(https://i.imgur.com/Gw63b5x.png)

That's a nice looking kitchen, CDawg.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: SFBadger96 on November 03, 2020, 11:35:24 AM
16-year old daughter cut 13-year old son's hair last night, mostly because son doesn't trust mom anymore to have modern style.

I had to leave in the middle of it, and SFIrish was on a business call, so I was a little worried that I'd come home to a Sweeney Todd situation. Fortunately, it went quite well. The boy's hair is still way too long for my taste (and definitely SFIrish's), but at least it's cleaned up, and "fashionable" by his (and the daughter's) standards.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on November 03, 2020, 11:52:51 AM
WTF is wrong with kids these days?


https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/evanston/ct-evr-community-response-northwestern-protests-tl-1105-20201103-wyhmlrwfavfmblekffrfzao5au-story.html


Too many have been raised to believe they are special and deserve all of the attention they can get. Probably a bunch of participation trophy recipients. 

As to the point of the article, perhaps instead of charging the University for the additional law enforcement expenses, they should charge the parents of these entitled brats. That would get their attention. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on November 03, 2020, 11:54:14 AM
In other news, I overheard two folks talking about not understanding why the one who wins the popular vote is not President.  Neither of them said "electoral college", they just did not appear to understand the System.  They weren't saying it should change, they just didn't understand it, probably 28 years old or so.


Yet another indictment of our publicly funded, educational system. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on November 03, 2020, 11:55:11 AM
I worry that when POTUS loses, he's going to incite his fans via tweet to cause mayhem.
And past experience would indicate that you have nothing to worry about. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 03, 2020, 12:01:05 PM
I worry that when POTUS loses, he's going to incite his fans via tweet to cause mayhem.
Based on what?  If your going to make a very stupid, POLITICAL statement like that ( which you should not be doing here), at least have it based in reality.

The people who are boarding up their businesses are not worried about a trump loss. They have seen with her own eyes who is planning the destruction and have already seen some of those plans which have been leaked. It is not Trump supporters and you know that.

When you have Democratic senators, and the Attorney General of the state of Pennsylvania saying things like “the only way Biden can lose is by voter suppression” or “we already know when the votes are counted that the Democrats will win Pennsylvania”, Those are louder than dog whistle’s but open calls for violence and protesting should trump happen to win.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 03, 2020, 12:01:48 PM
payback for the cold a snow a couple weeks ago...

59 degrees here headed to a high of 73.  Light breeze, full sun.

The boss is taking the entire office out to lunch at the only decent seafood place in the area.  Then the afternoon off.  It's a good election day.  Likely to break the high temp for election day set in 1934.

Of course, I'm headed to the golf course after lunch to play 9 or a few more holes before dark.

I was the first to vote at 7am in my district.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 03, 2020, 12:06:28 PM
not worried about riots here in rural NW Iowa

I little worried about the poll workers.  One lady had to be late 80's or more likely early 90s.  She was wearing a mask and had a plexiglass barrier, but handing out papers to sign all day to everyone coming through the line sitting inside at a table.

I'm not sure if masks are required to vote.  Didn't see a sign.  I wore a mask and everyone else at 7am had a mask, but..........
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: longhorn320 on November 03, 2020, 12:06:37 PM
Based on what?  If your going to make a very stupid, POLITICAL statement like that ( which you should not be doing here), at least have it based in reality.

The people who are boarding up their businesses are not worried about a trump loss. They have seen with her own eyes who is planning the destruction and have already seen some of those plans which have been leaked. It is not Trump supporters and you know that.

When you have Democratic senators, and the Attorney General of the state of Pennsylvania saying things like “the only way Biden can lose is by voter suppression” or “we already know when the votes are counted that the Democrats will win Pennsylvania”, Those are louder than dog whistle’s but open calls for violence and protesting should trump happen to win.
well put HB
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: longhorn320 on November 03, 2020, 12:08:54 PM
I have my baseball bat ready

as soon as Biden wins Im going to smash my neighbors car window
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 03, 2020, 12:10:13 PM
does the car window have a Biden sticker on it?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: longhorn320 on November 03, 2020, 12:11:07 PM
does the car window have a Biden sticker on it?
Nope but that doesnt seem to matter now days
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 03, 2020, 12:13:02 PM
To clarify, political talk on this thread hasn't been disallowed.  The only one I care about is the Coronavirus thread.

I think it's a bad idea to talk politics on any of the football board threads, since there's an entire Forum on this message board dedicated to politics, but that bit is up to you all.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 03, 2020, 12:15:01 PM
Nope but that doesnt seem to matter now days
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Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 03, 2020, 12:16:17 PM
not worried about riots here in rural NW Iowa

I little worried about the poll workers.  One lady had to be late 80's or more likely early 90s.  She was wearing a mask and had a plexiglass barrier, but handing out papers to sign all day to everyone coming through the line sitting inside at a table.

I'm not sure if masks are required to vote.  Didn't see a sign.  I wore a mask and everyone else at 7am had a mask, but..........

Masks are required in all public buildings here.  Nothing specific about the voting requirements, but the voting booths are all located in public buildings, so by default...

I early voted last week, everyone was wearing masks, the poll volunteers were behind plexiglass screens, they had little finger condoms for you to put on to use the touchscreen, all reasonable precautions were being taken, that I could tell.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 03, 2020, 12:18:39 PM
WTF is wrong with kids these days?


https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/evanston/ct-evr-community-response-northwestern-protests-tl-1105-20201103-wyhmlrwfavfmblekffrfzao5au-story.html


They're easy fodder for politicians to use to generate publicity with clickbait stories that snappy boomers flock to?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 03, 2020, 12:19:30 PM
Masks are required in all public buildings here.  Nothing specific about the voting requirements, but the voting booths are all located in public buildings, so by default...

I early voted last week, everyone was wearing masks, the poll volunteers were behind plexiglass screens, they had little finger condoms for you to put on to use the touchscreen, all reasonable precautions were being taken, that I could tell.
There was a kerfuffle in my state where someone made a pol feel bad about voting without a mask. You're allowed to do it, but mostly because one gov order supersedes another. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 12:21:44 PM
I had to drop a check off at the brokerage so we took in an early lunch at our favorite cafe.  I often order smoked salmon benedict there, and did this time.

The cute young server asked me if I wanted my salmon "medium".  I thought I did not hear correctly through the mask.  She repeated it.  I looked confused and then explained the salmon was smoked, so it wasn't cooked.  She said "Oh, sorry, I'm fairly new here and still learning."  No kidding.

Well, after she left the wife went on a RANT about how the cute young thing was VOTING.  I explained to the wife some of the history in the US with things like literacy tests and voting and how a fair number of illiterate people vote legally.  They get a card with the boxes in the right places and vote accordingly.  The wife was ... um, well, not very happy.

Later two men sit down at a table ten feet away, fine, but one of them is wearing a fully on respirator.  OK, fine, he's being careful, but he's DINING in an outdoor cafe, and takes it off of course.  Why wear a respirator walking down the sidewalk and then dine at an outdoor cafe?

Maybe we should have a system where "we" don't vote directly for President, we vote for someone to represent us who actually knows a bit, can read, doesn't wear a respirator, and knows that smoked salmon won't be cooked in the kitchen.  The, later, THEY could vote for President, say mid-December.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 03, 2020, 12:27:56 PM
Masks are required in all public buildings here.  Nothing specific about the voting requirements, but the voting booths are all located in public buildings, so by default...

I early voted last week, everyone was wearing masks, the poll volunteers were behind plexiglass screens, they had little finger condoms for you to put on to use the touchscreen, all reasonable precautions were being taken, that I could tell.
reasonable precautions, but possibly a uptick in cases next week fro this in-person voting

wasn't there an increase in cases in Wisconsin way back when they held an election?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 03, 2020, 12:29:20 PM
I had to drop a check off at the brokerage so we took in an early lunch at our favorite cafe.  I often order smoked salmon benedict there, and did this time.

The cute young server asked me if I wanted my salmon "medium".  I thought I did not hear correctly through the mask.  She repeated it.  I looked confused and then explained the salmon was smoked, so it wasn't cooked.  She said "Oh, sorry, I'm fairly new here and still learning."  No kidding.

Well, after she left the wife went on a RANT about how the cute young thing was VOTING.  I explained to the wife some of the history in the US with things like literacy tests and voting and how a fair number of illiterate people vote legally.  They get a card with the boxes in the right places and vote accordingly.  The wife was ... um, well, not very happy.

Later two men sit down at a table ten feet away, fine, but one of them is wearing a fully on respirator.  OK, fine, he's being careful, but he's DINING in an outdoor cafe, and takes it off of course.  Why wear a respirator walking down the sidewalk and then dine at an outdoor cafe?

Maybe we should have a system where "we" don't vote directly for President, we vote for someone to represent us who actually knows a bit, can read, doesn't wear a respirator, and knows that smoked salmon won't be cooked in the kitchen.  The, later, THEY could vote for President, say mid-December.
A non-stupid system? Would never work.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 03, 2020, 12:36:02 PM

That's a nice looking kitchen, CDawg.
Dr. CDawg.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 03, 2020, 12:40:47 PM
To clarify, political talk on this thread hasn't been disallowed.  The only one I care about is the Coronavirus thread.

I think it's a bad idea to talk politics on any of the football board threads, since there's an entire Forum on this message board dedicated to politics, but that bit is up to you all.

(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s600x600/123199349_359477585111703_3902132547715258864_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=a2X9Ti-PnvAAX_fiMfY&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&tp=7&oh=e067862375d0eeb16fa1d682d3828408&oe=5FC57A6D)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MarqHusker on November 03, 2020, 12:44:03 PM
I waited zero seconds today when voting.  Thanks early voters who chose to wait in long lines and others who avail themselves of absentee ballots.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 12:45:24 PM
I waited zero seconds today when voting.  Thanks early voters who chose to wait in long lines and others who avail themselves of absentee ballots.
Yeah, I wondered exactly this when the news showed long lines here in the first day of early voting.

Come on, folks, wait a day or two, or several.  
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: longhorn320 on November 03, 2020, 12:48:13 PM
I waited zero seconds today when voting.  Thanks early voters who chose to wait in long lines and others who avail themselves of absentee ballots.
Thanks

absentee voter here

I even helped my two cats fill out their ballets
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: longhorn320 on November 03, 2020, 12:54:55 PM
I just got off the phone with my son

He voted here in Houston with no line at all
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 03, 2020, 12:55:39 PM
I was first in line.  Showed up at 6:50am, voted at 7:00am, on my way to work at 7:10

small towns don't suck
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 03, 2020, 12:56:32 PM
FORE!!!
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: longhorn320 on November 03, 2020, 01:02:43 PM
FORE!!!
Fearless dont you work anymore 

I dont know if there is a such a thing as reincarnation

but if there is I want to come back as you
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: SFBadger96 on November 03, 2020, 01:11:16 PM
I saw an interesting opinion piece the other day that said that when asked in a professional survey, only 3-4% of Democrats or Republicans believe that violence is appropriate if the "other side" wins, but that about 48-50% think that the other side thinks it is.

As Badge is fond of saying, the reality is that we are a much more moderate and unified nation than the agitators would have you believe, but the agitation has led to a great deal more mistrust of "the other side" than we have previously had. This is an interesting conundrum that I truly hope that our leaders--on both sides--will work to remedy.

I know that in politics--as in any competition--the actors play to win, but unlike other competitions, the overarching point of politics isn't supposed to be winning, it's supposed to be good governance. If that's not what the politician is in it for, then they shouldn't be in it. Alas, we all have different opinions about who that last statement should apply to, and unquestionably, power is a corrupting influence.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 03, 2020, 01:13:46 PM
We had early voting open for three weeks.  The first few days were crazy busy,  but after that, smooth sailing.  I went in the middle of week3, my i s c & a aggie wife and I walked right in, no lines, voted within 7 minutes, and were on our way.  There were two people waiting in line on our way out.  It might have taken then 9 minutes to get through the process.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 03, 2020, 01:15:04 PM
To clarify, political talk on this thread hasn't been disallowed.  The only one I care about is the Coronavirus thread.

Regardless, I'll hold off. No point.


Quote
I think it's a bad idea to talk politics on any of the football board threads, since there's an entire Forum on this message board dedicated to politics, but that bit is up to you all.
Is that what they're doing down there?



Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 01:21:03 PM
Is that what they're doing down there?
Not really, in my view.  
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 03, 2020, 01:30:02 PM
Well that's what I was told.  I don't ever go down there, because I have zero interest in talking politics on an internet message board.  O that way, madness lies.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 01:43:01 PM
It can be highly entertaining, for bored retired people.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Riffraft on November 03, 2020, 01:51:20 PM
To be fair, it is a stupid system. Most people want to believe we have smart systems, so they assume competence where none exists.
To be fair, you think it is a stupid system. Some of us believe that it works well as intended and its intentions are a good thing.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 02:07:12 PM
Stupid or not, it isn't going to be changed any time soon, so I don't stress over it.  It's like gravity and aging, and it doesn't rhyme.

One item I strive for in life is to worry less about things outside my control and more about what I can control.

It helps a lot.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 03, 2020, 02:12:01 PM
Do you all consider a hamburger to be a sandwich?

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 02:15:55 PM
Do you all consider a hamburger to be a sandwich?

an item of food consisting of two pieces of bread with meat, cheese, or other filling between them, eaten as a light meal.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 03, 2020, 02:20:38 PM
an item of food consisting of two pieces of bread with meat, cheese, or other filling between them, eaten as a light meal.
So a hot dog is a sandwich as well?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 03, 2020, 02:26:45 PM
Identifying stupid flaws in the system and loudly complaining about them has been pretty much my entire career so complaining about the electoral college is right in my wheelhouse. Keeps me sane instead of just going along to get along.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 02:31:43 PM
So a hot dog is a sandwich as well?

Using that definition, I would say yes.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 02:33:15 PM
Identifying stupid flaws in the system and loudly complaining about them has been pretty much my entire career so complaining about the electoral college is right in my wheelhouse. Keeps me sane instead of just going along to get along.
If loud complaining is what keeps you sane, have at it, it beats going insane.

I am more in the just going along to keep sane crowd.  It works for me.  And neither approach changes much of import I find.
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 03, 2020, 02:45:56 PM
I saw an interesting opinion piece the other day that said that when asked in a professional survey, only 3-4% of Democrats or Republicans believe that violence is appropriate if the "other side" wins, but that about 48-50% think that the other side thinks it is.

As Badge is fond of saying, the reality is that we are a much more moderate and unified nation than the agitators would have you believe, but the agitation has led to a great deal more mistrust of "the other side" than we have previously had. This is an interesting conundrum that I truly hope that our leaders--on both sides--will work to remedy.

I know that in politics--as in any competition--the actors play to win, but unlike other competitions, the overarching point of politics isn't supposed to be winning, it's supposed to be good governance. If that's not what the politician is in it for, then they shouldn't be in it. Alas, we all have different opinions about who that last statement should apply to, and unquestionably, power is a corrupting influence.
Surveys make for nice conversations.  They feed “ theory” and debate. 

Then there are real life things that we see, CLEARLY, with our eyes. 

I don’t know how anyone can credibly debate those things.  The violence, destruction, looting and all of that which we witnessed all summer are clearly not Trump supporters.  Can’t you just admit that? 

If you want to wax eloquently about the “ why” and somehow come up with a conspiracy theory about how all of those Antifa animals are really Trump supporters in drag- have at it. 
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Post by: SFBadger96 on November 03, 2020, 02:48:54 PM
See, I could give you an answer to that question--one that satisfies me, but I suspect you wouldn't agree with it, no matter how eloquently I stated it, but I've been told to stay away from overt political statements around here, and I'm doing so. 

How about you?
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Post by: utee94 on November 03, 2020, 02:49:32 PM
Using that definition, I would say yes.

Not really talking about definitions in a dictionary, more like, what do each of us consider it to be?

If someone has a bag of fast food, and pulls out a wrapped product and says to you "Wow, take a look at this freaking sandwich!"-- are you expecting to see a hot dog?  Hamburger?  Or more like a ham on rye or a reuben or something?
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Post by: Mdot21 on November 03, 2020, 02:51:03 PM
I worry that when POTUS loses, he's going to incite his fans via tweet to cause mayhem.
This is hyperbole of the highest order. Relax Chris Hayes. Stop watching MSNBC. Can’t stand that CIA propaganda and Maddow has a bigger dick than that dweeb Chris Hayes. 

He’s not going to lose imo. I don’t see the enthusiasm for Biden. I think he’s actually a worse candidate than Hillary was.

It’s not 1980. Or even 1990. Polling is essentially worthless today imo.
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Post by: Mdot21 on November 03, 2020, 02:52:02 PM
To be fair, it is a stupid system. Most people want to believe we have smart systems, so they assume competence where none exists.
No, it’s not. The fact that you say it’s a stupid system astounds me. 

The founders of this country were a HELL of a lot smarter than anyone involved in government today. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 03, 2020, 02:53:24 PM
We did a kitchen in the house about 5 years ago.  The wife got really really stressed (I didn't).  It took three months mostly because they ordered the wrong island top.

This one lasted nearly 3 months mostly because the electrician added some strip outlets after the backsplash boys had measured, so the backsplash had to be remeasured and recut.  There was so much reno work going on in the city everything was backed up.

Little things cause delays. 

I thought the kitchen was OK when we bought the unit.  We did fatten up the cabinets which helps a lot in a smallish kitchen.

The brand new condos being built have some nice kitchens in them appearancewise anyway, because of course that sells.


(https://i.imgur.com/Gw63b5x.png)
Is that yours or the condos you’re talking about ? 
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Post by: MaximumSam on November 03, 2020, 02:57:18 PM
This is hyperbole of the highest order. Relax Chris Hayes. Stop watching MSNBC. Can’t stand that CIA propaganda and Maddow has a bigger dick than that dweeb Chris Hayes.

He’s not going to lose imo. I don’t see the enthusiasm for Biden. I think he’s actually a worse candidate than Hillary was.

It’s not 1980. Or even 1990. Polling is essentially worthless today imo.
I mean, lack of enthusiasm hasn't appeared to be an issue
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 02:57:26 PM
That is not ours, it's some condos being built near us.  We went into the sales center and oogled.

They have Wolf stoves and SubZero fridges, all the "popular" items, and the cheapest 2 bedroom is $865,000, they told us.

Ours is considerably more prosaic.  We do have a Bosch induction stove, which I love.  Our building is 32 years old now, so the "features" are not like the new places.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 02:59:52 PM
If someone has a bag of fast food, and pulls out a wrapped product and says to you "Wow, take a look at this freaking sandwich!"-- are you expecting to see a hot dog?  Hamburger?  Or more like a ham on rye or a reuben or something?
I would call a hamburger or hotdog just that, not a sandwich.  They have short specific names, like gyro, so why be general when you can be specific with equal facility?

Are they all technically "sandwiches"?  I guess so.  I would not use the term to describe them.
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Post by: Mdot21 on November 03, 2020, 03:00:14 PM
I mean, lack of enthusiasm hasn't appeared to be an issue
Biden has zero enthusiasm behind him. Nobody likes the guy. Maybe only his family. He is not loved. He does not have a movement behind him. Bernie Sanders- now he did. And what happened? The DNC and Democratic establishment lined up to squash him- again. And the dumbass got on his knees and bent over and took it like the good cuck he is.

The only votes he’s going to get are diehard dems and the people who don’t like Trump. No one is voting for him. He hasn’t given anyone a reason to vote for him. The people that are voting for him are just voting against Trump. This typically doesn’t win you an election.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 03:03:37 PM
This WAS out kitchen before the redo:

(https://i.imgur.com/CG7bFTe.jpg)

It looks almost the same now.  It's a decent size I think considering.  I was standing in the nook to take the photo.
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Post by: Mdot21 on November 03, 2020, 03:04:06 PM
That is not ours, it's some condos being built near us.  We went into the sales center and oogled.

They have Wolf stoves and SubZero fridges, all the "popular" items, and the cheapest 2 bedroom is $865,000, they told us.

Ours is considerably more prosaic.  We do have a Bosch induction stove, which I love.  Our building is 32 years old now, so the "features" are not like the new places.
Sub-Zero/Wolf definitely very expensive. Not sure on the cabinets, hard to tell. Hard to see a developer putting in top of the line cabinets. And those sub/wolf gotta be upgrades that they jack you for. Have a hard time believing those are standard. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 03:08:20 PM
I think this is the best photo of me ever taken, if anyone cares.  

(https://i.imgur.com/GzSxem6.jpg)
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 03:11:22 PM
Sub-Zero/Wolf definitely very expensive. Not sure on the cabinets, hard to tell. Hard to see a developer putting in top of the line cabinets. And those sub/wolf gotta be upgrades that they jack you for. Have a hard time believing those are standard.
I suspect they are medium to high end cabinets with the features one can notice, like soft close etc.  Those "upgrades" are standard in that complex, which is why the condos are so pricey.  There is another one that never got started except the sale center which I read cost $3.2 MILLION, No, 2 Opus.  They dug the hole, and quit about a year ago.


http://opusplaceatlanta.com/


(https://i.imgur.com/uUB8HGJ.jpg)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 03, 2020, 03:11:30 PM
Biden has zero enthusiasm behind him. Nobody likes the guy. Maybe only his family. He is not loved. He does not have a movement behind him. Bernie Sanders- now he did. And what happened? The DNC and Democratic establishment lined up to squash him- again. And the dumbass got on his knees and bent over and took it like the good cuck he is.

The only votes he’s going to get are diehard dems and the people who don’t like Trump. No one is voting for him. He hasn’t given anyone a reason to vote for him. The people that are voting for him are just voting against Trump. This typically doesn’t win you an election.
I guess we'll see. North Carolina nearly matched it's total 2016 vote totals just through early voting. It doesn't appear to me that people aren't enthusiastic about voting, and nothing has suggested Trump is riding some huge wave, so...
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 03:13:12 PM
The developers somehow got the idea that near million dollar condos would sell around here, this is the living space for that Opus place, that doesn't exist and never will I suspect.  Their hole in the ground is UGLY.

(https://i.imgur.com/0ym4rq2.jpg)
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Post by: Mdot21 on November 03, 2020, 03:19:15 PM
The developers somehow got the idea that near million dollar condos would sell around here, this is the living space for that Opus place, that doesn't exist and never will I suspect.  Their hole in the ground is UGLY.

(https://i.imgur.com/0ym4rq2.jpg)
Atlanta is great, absolutely love it- but doesn’t strike me as the type of place where multi-million dollar condos fly off the shelves like they do in say Manhattan or Miami. Pre-Covid that is. 
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Post by: longhorn320 on November 03, 2020, 03:19:59 PM
I think this is the best photo of me ever taken, if anyone cares. 

[img width=500 height=331.997]https://i.imgur.com/GzSxem6.jpg[/img]
uoure too damn happy
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 03:24:17 PM
Atlanta is great, absolutely love it- but doesn’t strike me as the type of place where multi-million dollar condos fly off the shelves like they do in say Manhattan or Miami. Pre-Covid that is.
They don't.  The heart of the market around here is more half a million or so.  I can see a building where that is the normal two bdr unit and perhaps the top floor is over a million, but starting nearly a million and going up is not in my view a commercial proposition.  There are some penthouse condos un Buckhead over $10 mil.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 03, 2020, 03:30:24 PM
Am I the only one that thinks it’s absolutely INSANE that CNN and MSNBC actually hires people like James Clapper and John Brennan ?

How does this not make people angry and terrify them ? 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 03, 2020, 03:31:26 PM
A hot dog is a sandwich but it's a unique enough subset to be referred to by its more specific name. 

Kinda like if someone says "I see a car" and you look up and see a Bugatti Veyron, you'd wonder why they said "car" when what they were referring to is so much more specific. 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 03, 2020, 03:34:42 PM
Speaking of sandwiches, why is this pastrami sandwich $10.79?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 03:34:57 PM
Maybe it's akin to "vehicle", which encompasses cars, trucks, trains, etc.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 03, 2020, 03:38:24 PM
Also- how tone deaf does Biden have to be to go to flint with Obama to campaign. That is astounding.
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Post by: utee94 on November 03, 2020, 03:48:17 PM
I'm not suggesting that a hot dog or hamburger don't potentially, technically fall into subsets of a broader group called sandwiches.

However, if nobody ever refers to a hot dog as a sandwich, can we really say that it's a sandwich?

People DO refer to Bugattis as cars.

But I've not once ever seen someone order a sandwich and receive a hot dog, nor heard someone pronounce "I think I'd like to have a sandwich for lunch" and then order a hot dog.  

I did however work with a guy at our BBQ restaurant, a dude who was of Mexican-American descent, who brought tacos made by his mama for lunch everyday.  When he was ready for lunch, he'd say, "Okay, it's time for my sandwich, I'll be back in a few."  

So who knows?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 03:49:14 PM
I agree it's an important issue that is bothering me a lot.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 03, 2020, 03:50:39 PM
Jus got back from voting. Maybe waited 1 minute in line.

Was told 75% of Lee County voted early.
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Post by: utee94 on November 03, 2020, 03:53:51 PM
I agree it's an important issue that is bothering me a lot.
Heh.  Just looking for a distraction from politics.  I don't really feel strongly about it.

But I will say that if a friend told me, "Hey, don't get anything for lunch, I just went by this new sandwich place and ordered some kick-ass sandwiches and I'm bringing you one" and then it turned out to be a hot dog?  I'd be pretty pissed off.
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 03, 2020, 03:55:13 PM
Speaking of sandwiches, why is this pastrami sandwich $10.79?
It's the Bugatti Veyron of sammiches
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 03:58:39 PM
Maybe if it was a really really good hotdog....

I'm sorta stuck on the Willy Philly, which is a burrito, which is a sandwich.  And really good, for $8.75.  Plus tax.

Tax here is nearly 9%.
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Post by: bayareabadger on November 03, 2020, 04:00:40 PM
I had to drop a check off at the brokerage so we took in an early lunch at our favorite cafe.  I often order smoked salmon benedict there, and did this time.

The cute young server asked me if I wanted my salmon "medium".  I thought I did not hear correctly through the mask.  She repeated it.  I looked confused and then explained the salmon was smoked, so it wasn't cooked.  She said "Oh, sorry, I'm fairly new here and still learning."  No kidding.

Well, after she left the wife went on a RANT about how the cute young thing was VOTING.  I explained to the wife some of the history in the US with things like literacy tests and voting and how a fair number of illiterate people vote legally.  They get a card with the boxes in the right places and vote accordingly.  The wife was ... um, well, not very happy.

Later two men sit down at a table ten feet away, fine, but one of them is wearing a fully on respirator.  OK, fine, he's being careful, but he's DINING in an outdoor cafe, and takes it off of course.  Why wear a respirator walking down the sidewalk and then dine at an outdoor cafe?

Maybe we should have a system where "we" don't vote directly for President, we vote for someone to represent us who actually knows a bit, can read, doesn't wear a respirator, and knows that smoked salmon won't be cooked in the kitchen.  The, later, THEY could vote for President, say mid-December.
So this got me thinking about a couple things. 

The first: This salmon
This feels, maybe a matter of experience or class or something else. I know what lox are, but didn't know how combustable combines were until reading a twitter thread (the answer is very). It's not ideal, but that might be experience. If she's a 19-year-old from Jacksonville, Ga., who knows how many restaurants have salmon at all, let along smoked. (I don't think I'm often asked if I want rare salmon, either)

And we could change it around and a New Yorker is wondering why a Georgian who doesn't know about salmon should vote, it takes on a different tone, and drops into a different part of the culture war. Anyway, we as a society decide that inexperienced people or people with bad judgment are considered adults. (the literacy tests, maybe now would be fine, though obviously the history is ugly as all get-out)

As for the second, system where we don't vote directly. It's interesting because parts of it already exist, even in some backwards ways. We have electors, who in theory are a buffer, though there would be hell to pay if they acted as such. We also have parties that to a degree play a large role in picking who we can realistically vote for. And if we voted for smart folks who then voted, we'd just get a kind of amplified version party politics. 

You could go parliament style, though if it's geography-based, you end up with weird geographic issues unless it's static (like our states) or underhanded tricks. If it's party based, you end up with something like Israel, which is pure in a way, but also recycles pols in an absurd way.

I wish there was a way to structure in good intentions and ability to carry them through, but I don't think there is. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 03, 2020, 04:01:44 PM
Maybe if it was a really really good hotdog....

I'm sorta stuck on the Willy Philly, which is a burrito, which is a sandwich.  And really good, for $8.75.  Plus tax.

Tax here is nearly 9%.
I don't know what this is, but I like the idea.

Ever had an Indian food burrito? Real good, though the places with them are often overpriced, unfortunately. Wouldn't be too hard to make, I suppose. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 03, 2020, 04:02:59 PM
Jus got back from voting. Maybe waited 1 minute in line.

Was told 75% of Lee County voted early.
That's good. I stood in line for about 45 minutes a few weeks back. 

Local place had lines of 1-1.5 hours before work and I bet will be a mess right after. Ghost town in between. Not catering to work-a-day folks like you'd hope. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 03, 2020, 04:16:35 PM
Heh.  Just looking for a distraction from politics.  I don't really feel strongly about it.

But I will say that if a friend told me, "Hey, don't get anything for lunch, I just went by this new sandwich place and ordered some kick-ass sandwiches and I'm bringing you one" and then it turned out to be a hot dog?  I'd be pretty pissed off.
If someone brought me a really kick-ass hot dog, my anger would quickly dissipate given that it was merely over nomenclature.

I mean, do you really get pissed off when people bring you delicious food just because they explained it badly?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 03, 2020, 04:31:03 PM
Heh.  Just looking for a distraction from politics.  I don't really feel strongly about it.

But I will say that if a friend told me, "Hey, don't get anything for lunch, I just went by this new sandwich place and ordered some kick-ass sandwiches and I'm bringing you one" and then it turned out to be a hot dog?  I'd be pretty pissed off.
There are so many small weird quirks here. 

 Like, if the hot dog kicks ass, might be fine. If it’s a sad hotdog, that’s bad, but if it was a sad regular sandwich, I’d also be pissed. If there are two, I’m less pissed. Also, if someone gives me free lunch, maybe I’m OK with it? Dunno. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 03, 2020, 04:31:55 PM
Could I call a burrito a sandwich? The holding between two pieces of bread part seems stretched beyond recognition.
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Post by: utee94 on November 03, 2020, 04:36:30 PM
There are so many small weird quirks here.

 Like, if the hot dog kicks ass, might be fine. If it’s a sad hotdog, that’s bad, but if it was a sad regular sandwich, I’d also be pissed. If there are two, I’m less pissed. Also, if someone gives me free lunch, maybe I’m OK with it? Dunno.

I like a sandwich far more than a hot dog.  If I'm expecting a kick-ass sandwich, then a hot god is going to be disappointing every single time.  If all I'm expecting is a hot dog, and it's a good one, then we're fine.  Bottom line, a hot dog is not a sandwich, and expectations should be set appropriately.  

Could I call a burrito a sandwich? The holding between two pieces of bread part seems stretched beyond recognition.

I would never call a burrito a sandwich.  But my Mexican buddy at the restaurant did indeed call his taco a sandwich.  So there you have it.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on November 03, 2020, 04:39:00 PM
Sure, but I know some Wisconsinites who put ketchup on brats, so who's to say a Mexican necessarily understands Tacos?
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Post by: utee94 on November 03, 2020, 04:44:14 PM
I once dated a girl who called a sandwich a "sangwich."  

She was hot and had a certain... morally casual attitude... so I let it slide.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 05:03:29 PM
Sammich ... Can be a verb.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 03, 2020, 05:04:59 PM
Find you a girl who wants to be a slice of bread
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 03, 2020, 05:08:02 PM
Pumpernickel
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 03, 2020, 05:10:00 PM
Find you a girl who wants to be a slice of bread
Might as well find two unless you want it open-faced.

Speaking of which, is an open-faced sandwich really a sandwich? Seems to be missing one of the critical factors of the definition ("between two pieces of bread").
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 03, 2020, 05:12:15 PM
Sure, but I know some Wisconsinites who put ketchup on brats, so who's to say a Mexican necessarily understands Tacos?
What?

They can't be FROM Wisconsin. No way.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 03, 2020, 05:20:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NepkGHEd2B0
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 03, 2020, 05:28:00 PM
I think I still have the album - a briefcase full of blues
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Post by: MaximumSam on November 03, 2020, 05:32:42 PM
Might as well find two unless you want it open-faced.

Speaking of which, is an open-faced sandwich really a sandwich? Seems to be missing one of the critical factors of the definition ("between two pieces of bread").
Hell of a lot easier to get to two slices of you start with one
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Post by: CWSooner on November 03, 2020, 05:45:00 PM
https://geneandjudes.com/
Red Hots, French Fries, and Tamales.
Does "red hots" equal "hot dogs" in B1G Country?
To me, they mean these things.
(https://i.imgur.com/W3ZBP1U.jpg)
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Post by: CWSooner on November 03, 2020, 05:46:44 PM
pickles and fries on the side

pickle relish?  terrible
Yep.
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Post by: longhorn320 on November 03, 2020, 05:58:35 PM
nothing wrong with a little sweet pickle relish on a hotdog 
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Post by: bayareabadger on November 03, 2020, 06:28:32 PM
Might as well find two unless you want it open-faced.

Speaking of which, is an open-faced sandwich really a sandwich? Seems to be missing one of the critical factors of the definition ("between two pieces of bread").
Open faced sandwich is to sandwich as deep dish pizza is to pizza?

(I only experience open-faced sandwiches one way, which is having freshly carved roast beef or turkey tossed atop bread and smothered in gravy, which is a good way to calorie bomb)
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 03, 2020, 06:32:08 PM
Open faced sandwich is to sandwich as deep dish pizza is to pizza?

(I only experience open-faced sandwiches one way, which is having freshly carved roast beef or turkey tossed atop bread and smothered in gravy, which is a good way to calorie bomb)
Yes and no...

I classify deep dish as a different dish to "pizza", but based on the simple definition, it's still pizza.

I would put it this way:

Open faced sandwich is to sandwich as calzone is to pizza.

Calzones are basically a pizza turnover. Open faced sandwiches use sandwich ingredients but it's not "between" the bread. Whereas a calzone is basically a pizza with some dough stretched around the side and over the top. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 03, 2020, 06:51:38 PM
I'm not suggesting that a hot dog or hamburger don't potentially, technically fall into subsets of a broader group called sandwiches.

However, if nobody ever refers to a hot dog as a sandwich, can we really say that it's a sandwich?

People DO refer to Bugattis as cars.

But I've not once ever seen someone order a sandwich and receive a hot dog, nor heard someone pronounce "I think I'd like to have a sandwich for lunch" and then order a hot dog. 

I did however work with a guy at our BBQ restaurant, a dude who was of Mexican-American descent, who brought tacos made by his mama for lunch everyday.  When he was ready for lunch, he'd say, "Okay, it's time for my sandwich, I'll be back in a few." 

So who knows?
I was going to repeat what I think I read a long time ago--that "taco" is Spanish for "sandwich."

But an English-Spanish translation page provides "emparedado" as the proper Spanish noun.

I also was going to say that a hot dog is not a sandwich because it does not use two pieces of bread.  But then neither do a lot of subs/heroes/hoagies, and they are sandwiches.

Still, in common usage, hot dogs are hot dogs, hamburgers are hamburgers, and sandwiches are sandwiches.

Speaking of hamburgers, their origin is somewhat in dispute.  Part of the problem is whether or not a ground-beef patty between two slices of bread qualifies as a hamburger.  For me, it does not.  Growing up, I would have called one of those a ground-beef sandwich.

If a hamburger is a ground-beef patty between two halves of a bun, then this is the best claim to have been the first, per the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge:

Quote
Oscar Weber Bilby

The family of Oscar Weber Bilby claim the first-known hamburger on a bun was served on July 4, 1891 on Grandpa Oscar's farm [outside Tulsa]. The bun was a yeast bun. In 1995, Governor Frank Keating proclaimed that the first true hamburger on a bun was created and consumed in Tulsa, Oklahoma in 1891, calling Tulsa, "The Real Birthplace of the Hamburger."
Earlier claims all seem to be about a patty between two slices of bread.
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Post by: utee94 on November 03, 2020, 06:59:46 PM
If it has bread instead of a bun, and cheese on it, around here we'd call it a patty melt.

I have no idea when that came into the vernacular, nor how widespread it is, though.
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 03, 2020, 07:02:16 PM
Lots of places claim the hamburger,New Haven,Conn but that was 1900.In Akron Ohio and Outagamie County Fair Wisc.both claim it in 1885

*https://whatscookingamerica.net/History/HamburgerHistory.htm*
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Post by: FearlessF on November 03, 2020, 07:54:44 PM
Not really talking about definitions in a dictionary, more like, what do each of us consider it to be?

If someone has a bag of fast food, and pulls out a wrapped product and says to you "Wow, take a look at this freaking sandwich!"-- are you expecting to see a hot dog?  Hamburger?  Or more like a ham on rye or a reuben or something?
my grandfather cornsidered a hamburger a sammich

my father didn't, neither do I.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 03, 2020, 08:00:22 PM
I think this is the best photo of me ever taken, if anyone cares. 

(https://i.imgur.com/GzSxem6.jpg)
best photo ever or not, you are a handsome man
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 03, 2020, 08:07:50 PM
What?

They can't be FROM Wisconsin. No way.
probably imports from Texas
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 03, 2020, 08:10:18 PM
Open faced sandwich is to sandwich as deep dish pizza is to pizza?

(I only experience open-faced sandwiches one way, which is having freshly carved roast beef or turkey tossed atop bread and smothered in gravy, which is a good way to calorie bomb)
these are called a "hot beef" or a "hot turkey"
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 03, 2020, 08:25:17 PM
nothing wrong with a little sweet pickle relish on a hotdog
This probably explains all of our differences, lol.  Sweet pickles and relish are quite possibly the nastiest thing I've ever tasted.
When they finally came out with dill relish, THAT was a revelation!
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 03, 2020, 08:28:01 PM
Open faced sandwich is to sandwich as deep dish pizza is to pizza?

(I only experience open-faced sandwiches one way, which is having freshly carved roast beef or turkey tossed atop bread and smothered in gravy, which is a good way to calorie bomb)
What do you consider daily calorie bombs?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 03, 2020, 08:40:46 PM
these are called a "hot beef" or a "hot turkey"
They’re delightful 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 03, 2020, 10:56:33 PM
Wow
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 04, 2020, 12:18:24 AM
I think this is the best photo of me ever taken, if anyone cares. 

(https://i.imgur.com/GzSxem6.jpg)
I was was watching American Greed a while back and that looks alot like one guy who was on the lamb after bilking clients/investors.😎
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 04, 2020, 12:27:31 AM
That was me.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 04, 2020, 07:02:46 AM
Red Hots, French Fries, and Tamales.
Does "red hots" equal "hot dogs" in B1G Country?


Only at G&J.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 04, 2020, 09:20:48 AM
Michigan is a national disgrace and a shit hole of a state and Jim Harbaugh is a clown and that football program is a joke and is dead and will never come back. Never stepping foot in that shit hole of a State again and I will never support that team ever again. I’m giving up on the entire state like I gave up on the Lions when they broke Barry’s soul and forced him to retire early. F##k that entire place.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 04, 2020, 09:26:29 AM
Went for a walk this AM. It’s crisp, started out southern cold. Cloudless kinda day. 

I usually don’t break out the scarf, but it worked today. Was just comfortable for some reason. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 04, 2020, 10:13:00 AM
Jim Harbaugh is a clown and that football program is a joke and is dead and will never come back.
Finally, we can stop talking about when Michigan will figure it out. Everyone gets to be calmer.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 04, 2020, 10:19:42 AM
We went to our French restaurant last night and shared Champagne with the staff.  They were fairly busy, even some sat on the patio, the bought heaters.

The tile guys are still working on the first deck, the said they be finished today but I think not (with both decks).  Weather is near perfect, 15°C.



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Post by: FearlessF on November 04, 2020, 10:45:19 AM
weather is perfect here too.

70+ degrees for a high with less than 5mph breeze

golfing weather

I have the day off

life is good
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 04, 2020, 10:57:31 AM
I stayed up pretty late for some reason, and apparently sipped a bit too much Woodford whilst watching TV, so my head is not currently in great shape, but it's OK.

The tile guys are buzzing the tile with an annoying tool.  This was dinner.  I had the saumon.

(https://i.imgur.com/c3ivPlK.jpg)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 04, 2020, 11:08:58 AM
Going for my 1/2 hour free "swing evaluation" at the local golf pro/clubfitter shop today at lunchtime. It'll be interesting to experience a Trackman for the first time.

Hopefully I can get some tips for what I need to be working on at the range.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 04, 2020, 11:17:31 AM
I stayed up pretty late for some reason, and apparently sipped a bit too much Woodford whilst watching TV, so my head is not currently in great shape, but it's OK.

The tile guys are buzzing the tile with an annoying tool.  This was dinner.  I had the saumon.

(https://i.imgur.com/c3ivPlK.jpg)

Salmon looks good!


I too stayed up pretty late last night, and I was well into some Lagavulin I had put back just for the occasion.  About midnight I decided I was hungry, and I made myself a snack of a Kentucky Derby-style "hot brown."  It was delicious... I think.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 04, 2020, 11:29:03 AM
The salmon comes with artichoke hearts and purple olives and the tomato based sauce, it's an interesting combination.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 04, 2020, 11:29:36 AM
The good thing about being on the West Coast was that it was apparent much earlier than you guys back east that the compelling finish we were all looking for on the TV programming wasn't happening, so I got to sleep at a pretty reasonable time. 

I was many IPAs in, but didn't hit the brown liquor. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 04, 2020, 11:48:02 AM
Finally, we can stop talking about when Michigan will figure it out. Everyone gets to be calmer.
Let's be honest- Michigan under Bo in the 70s and 80s had some dominant runs where he was losing 1-2 games a year max- some years even going undefeated when you factor in ties- but it started to tail off in the late 80s and early 90s. Gary Moeller was losing 3-4 games a year, and if he was winning 11 or 12 every year, he probably wouldn't have been fired for his public drunken outburst.

Lloyd Carr took over and was losing 4 games a year until he hit lighting in '97 with arguably the greatest college DB in the history of the sport, and a future 1st ballot NFL HOF'er in Woodson. The only other time LLLLoyd as he was known- had 2 or less losses in his career was in 1999- when he kept trying to give Henson the job over Brady- and in 2006- when they lost to Ohio State in the "game of the century".

Michigan never produced a lot of high level football talent- never had that sort of history like Ohio did and still does to a degree- and they have to share what little talent they have with an in-state P5 program in MSU- something Ohio State doesn't have to deal with- and remember- Michigan is a decaying shit-hole and has been since the late '60s when the riots caused Detroit to fall off a cliff and every one to leave, and it's problems have only been exasperated by NAFTA and Permanent Trade relations with China- those two moves caused millions of good paying manufacturing jobs to leave the state and crippled it's economy- and caused millions to flee the sinking shithole state. The decaying state and population flee has caused what little talent it produced to sink even further.

Only way they'll ever come back is if they get a coach that can go anywhere in the country and load up with elite players. Like Urban Meyer can. Like Nick Saban can. RichRod couldn't. Hoke couldn't. Harbaugh can't.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 04, 2020, 11:56:25 AM
The good thing about being on the West Coast was that it was apparent much earlier than you guys back east that the compelling finish we were all looking for on the TV programming wasn't happening, so I got to sleep at a pretty reasonable time.

I was many IPAs in, but didn't hit the brown liquor.
I started with wine, Bordeaux.  Drank that bottle mostly by myself, had one beer (Okotberfest), decided beer wasn't what I wanted, so then I got into the whisky,
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 04, 2020, 12:16:10 PM
I was printing and cutting all evening.  Didn't turn my TV on until 9pm EST.  Switched between MSNCB and FN.  It was funny to watch FN call VA waaaaay before NBC did and have a segment where their stats guy spelled out why they called it one way when the numbers showed it another way, early-on.

That's got to be a tough job - being a stats guy for a viewership who is suspicious of anyone with a degree.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 04, 2020, 12:23:02 PM
I was printing and cutting all evening.  Didn't turn my TV on until 9pm EST.  Switched between MSNCB and FN.  It was funny to watch FN call VA waaaaay before NBC did and have a segment where their stats guy spelled out why they called it one way when the numbers showed it another way, early-on.

That's got to be a tough job - being a stats guy for a viewership who is suspicious of anyone with a degree.
So, you were viewing Fox News then?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 04, 2020, 12:43:38 PM
I was printing and cutting all evening.  Didn't turn my TV on until 9pm EST.  Switched between MSNCB and FN.  It was funny to watch FN call VA waaaaay before NBC did and have a segment where their stats guy spelled out why they called it one way when the numbers showed it another way, early-on.

That's got to be a tough job - being a stats guy for a viewership who is suspicious of anyone with a degree.
How anybody watches MSNBC after they f##n hired John f##n Brennan as an "analyst" and pushed an evidence free based conspiracy for 3 years is beyond me. It's an echo chamber for incredibly stupid hyperbole and they never have anyone on that disagrees with anything they say.

The people on that network that try to tell the truth get fired, and the people who visit who try and push back against the narrative the Democratic establishment want to peddle are never allowed back on.

CNN is just as big of a joke. They let Fredo get on there and talk about meatballs and sauce with his brother but never once maybe ask him why he forced covid positive people back into nursing homes which absolutely killed tens of thousands of people. Remember- nearly 50% of all deaths from this thing are who? PEOPLE IN NURSING HOMES. 

Gee, how funny. And then they go and hire James f###n Clapper- a man who should be in F#$@NG PRISON for committing a felony and perjuring himself under oath in front of the Senate- and pay him $1.5 million a year to be an "analyst" and push evidence free based conspiracies. Absolute lunacy.

I have my issues with Fox News as well, but right now, they look like rookies when it comes to propaganda pushing compared to the other cable news channels.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 04, 2020, 12:48:12 PM
Maybe we should eschew politically oriented rants here "In Other News", as this thread is indeed "other news" you won't find on the regular news.

I'm having left over chili for lunch.  There ya go.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 04, 2020, 12:50:22 PM
NY has still not released the total number of deaths from coronavirus in nursing homes. Cuomo is the only governor of any state that has not released this information. Wonder if this has anything to do with it....


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElgX4aQXUAEQ8fj?format=jpg&name=900x900)


Wonder why CNN never asks that. Nah, instead let's get him on CNN with Fredo and joke about meatballs and sauce and how big his nose is. Hahahaha. So funny.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 04, 2020, 01:33:47 PM
I'm eating a school lunch where the main entree is a soft pretzel with cheese dip.


Maybe an issue where both parties can come together is school lunches.  Maybe the cheapest crap possible isn't a great plan?  Maybe soft pretzels w/ cheese or chili fries shouldn't be a main entree for our children.


Oh wait, nope.  We can't.  It's a politicized issue of public vs private and the dishonestly-named "school choice."  Never mind.  I was wrong to think that.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 04, 2020, 01:36:17 PM
"school choice" in parameters apt to this site:

If all of Wisconsin's and Iowa's and Penn State's best players could just transfer to Ohio State with no sitting out, and whenever they want to. 

And Wisconsin/Iowa/Penn State cannot recruit anyone to replace them.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 04, 2020, 01:49:30 PM
I don't see how school choice relates to lunch quality, but whatever.  I'm sure if students generally want to pay more for better food, they could get that done.

They were awful back in my day well before "school choice" was an option other than paying for it yourself.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 04, 2020, 01:54:39 PM
My mother always packed a lunch for us. Is that still an option, or are people just too damn lazy?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: SFBadger96 on November 04, 2020, 01:58:39 PM
Right, wrong, or indifferent, the school lunch program exists to help feed people who are near or below the poverty line. It's means tested.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 04, 2020, 02:02:57 PM
I'm eating a school lunch where the main entree is a soft pretzel with cheese dip.

Maybe an issue where both parties can come together is school lunches.  Maybe the cheapest crap possible isn't a great plan?  Maybe soft pretzels w/ cheese or chili fries shouldn't be a main entree for our children.

Oh wait, nope.  We can't.  It's a politicized issue of public vs private and the dishonestly-named "school choice."  Never mind.  I was wrong to think that.
Why should I in California have to "come together" on what students in Arizona are eating for their school lunch? 

This should be a local issue.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 04, 2020, 02:04:09 PM
Why should I in California have to "come together" on what students in Arizona are eating for their school lunch?

This should be a local issue.
Bingo.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 04, 2020, 02:15:46 PM
Let's be honest- Michigan under Bo in the 70s and 80s had some dominant runs where he was losing 1-2 games a year max- some years even going undefeated when you factor in ties- but it started to tail off in the late 80s and early 90s. Gary Moeller was losing 3-4 games a year, and if he was winning 11 or 12 every year, he probably wouldn't have been fired for his public drunken outburst.

...

Only way they'll ever come back is if they get a coach that can go anywhere in the country and load up with elite players. Like Urban Meyer can. Like Nick Saban can. RichRod couldn't. Hoke couldn't. Harbaugh can't.
That part of the Bo era is interesting because it woulda been a dang thing if it happened nowadays. 
Year 1 Surprise upset to ruin things for OSU
Year 2 Undefeated until visiting OSU, lose (not too much harm)
Year 3 Undefeated all the way to the Rose Bowl, miss a chance to at worst end up at No. 2 because of a 1-point upset to 8-3 Stanford (who lost to SJ State)
Year 4 Undefeated to OSU, then lose to OSU by 3 at the end of the season 
Year 5 Undefeated to OSU, tie No. 1 OSU to miss the Rose Bowl
Year 6 Undefeated to OSU, then lose to OSU by 2 to miss the Rose Bowl
Year 7 Undefeated to OSU with ties to six loss Baylor, four-loss Stanford, lose to No. 1 OSU then lost the bowl
Year 8 Start 8-0, lose at 5-6 Purdue, beat OSU, lose bowl
Year 9 Start 6-0, lose to unranked Minnesota at No. 1 team, beat OSU and miss a chance to claim a national title with a low-scoring bowl loss. 
Year 10 Have the decency to lose to a good (three loss) MSU team after only 4-0. Win out until the bowl game, where they lose again.
Year 11 Lose four games, three to close the season

I feel like modern fans would take issue with parts of this path.

As for getting elite players from anywhere, the issue is the same. Folks can go to place where its easier, so why wouldn't they?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 04, 2020, 02:23:36 PM
Why should I in California have to "come together" on what students in Arizona are eating for their school lunch?

This should be a local issue.
Are you saying what they're fed or why they're fed at all? The first makes sense to me, the second is sort of circular and logical in its way. 

(It also leads to another rabbit hole which is getting calories into kids in a not-unhealthy way, which I'm told is like a mountianous Rubik's Cube or parenting)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 04, 2020, 02:27:21 PM
Are you saying what they're fed or why they're fed at all? The first makes sense to me, the second is sort of circular and logical in its way.

(It also leads to another rabbit hole which is getting calories into kids in a not-unhealthy way, which I'm told is like a mountianous Rubik's Cube or parenting)
Primarily the "what they're fed" question. 

I'm just questioning why it is a political issue, and if it's a political issue, why it's not an issue at the state or school district rather than the federal level.

It's not my job from Mission Viejo CA to tell OAM and his students in AZ what's on the menu. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 04, 2020, 02:29:10 PM
As for getting elite players from anywhere, the issue is the same. Folks can go to place where its easier, so why wouldn't they?
Huh?

At OSU Urban and now Day (who was handed the keys to a Ferrari) - load up on 5*’s every year from Cali, TX, Florida, Washington, Georgia, NV, DMV, PA - all over the country.

Urban would’ve done the same thing at Michigan and gotten 5*’s from everywhere and anywhere. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 04, 2020, 02:29:44 PM
Primarily the "what they're fed" question.

I'm just questioning why it is a political issue, and if it's a political issue, why it's not an issue at the state or school district rather than the federal level.

It's not my job from Mission Viejo CA to tell OAM and his students in AZ what's on the menu.
I assume its because it's federal funds? Which in itself seems fine, but if they wanna give local folks control over that, have at?

(I also have no idea if you in Mission Viejo actually affect it at all, but that's for another time)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 04, 2020, 02:35:11 PM
I assume its because it's federal funds? Which in itself seems fine, but if they wanna give local folks control over that, have at?

(I also have no idea if you in Mission Viejo actually affect it at all, but that's for another time)
I'm going to stop responding on this topic... I shouldn't have taken the political bait. 

But the idea is that "we" should come together on this, which I understood to mean politically. And as a Mission Viejo voter, obviously who I elect might have an effect on the decision, so therefore I technically have an effect on the decision, right? 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 04, 2020, 02:36:13 PM
Huh?

At OSU Urban and now Day (who was handed the keys to a Ferrari) - load up on 5*’s every year from Cali, TX, Florida, Washington, Georgia, NV, DMV, PA - all over the country.

Urban would’ve done the same thing at Michigan and gotten 5*’s from everywhere and anywhere.
Sure. 

But if you can go to OSU (or Bama) where it's easier to some degree to get those players (200 miles south matters to a degree) and you have more talent nearby, why wouldn't you just go there? OSU has more talent nearby, better geography, etc. 

If they can do it anywhere, why do it somewhere harder when easier options exist?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 04, 2020, 02:37:55 PM
I'm going to stop responding on this topic... I shouldn't have taken the political bait.

But the idea is that "we" should come together on this, which I understood to mean politically. And as a Mission Viejo voter, obviously who I elect might have an effect on the decision, so therefore I technically have an effect on the decision, right?
I suppose, in some ways, the argument seems like a house of cards where it started (pretzels and such). Anyway, didn't mean to pull you in. Natural curiosity got the best of me. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 04, 2020, 02:51:31 PM
Just back from a walk, a quite large pin oak fell over at some point, I guess the hurricane.  It was likely 80-90 years old, took two other smaller trees with it.  Diameter at the base was 3-4 feet.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 04, 2020, 04:04:37 PM
My mother always packed a lunch for us. Is that still an option, or are people just too damn lazy?
I packed lunches for my kids 4 days/week, and let them buy lunch once per week on the day of their choice, after looking at the weekly menu.  They usually chose Friday, which was Pizza day (yes, rectangular school cafeteria still exists and is unchanged from 35 years ago, as far as I can tell).

Nowadays at ages 11 and 13 they pack their own lunches.  I don't miss the hurried morning rush, but I do miss the feeling of taking care of them that I always got, packing their lunches for them and sending them on their way.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 04, 2020, 04:10:13 PM
Sure.

But if you can go to OSU (or Bama) where it's easier to some degree to get those players (200 miles south matters to a degree) and you have more talent nearby, why wouldn't you just go there? OSU has more talent nearby, better geography, etc.

If they can do it anywhere, why do it somewhere harder when easier options exist?
It's not really that much easier to get those kind of nationally elite players at OSU or even Bama. It's probably a wash at best. In fact, it might even be easier at Michigan with everything they have to offer and it's proximity to a major international airport.

The key is building it. If you build it, they will come. Alabama was a mediocre for much of the 90s save a couple of years here and there, and for virtually all of the 2000s they were a dumpster fire until 2008 when Saban went 12-2 in Year 2. Been all uphill since then. Ohio State never recruited this insane nationally before Urban got there and took it to a completely next level. Day is just continuing that.

The huge difference is the local talent. Ohio produces way more football talent than Michigan, and there is no other program to have to share the instate talent with. Imagine if MSU didn't exist. Charles Rogers, Malcom McDowell, TJ Duckett, Andre Rison, William Gholston, Dion Sims, Devante Dobbs, etc., etc., - these were all big-time recruits from Michigan that wouldn't have had any other option to stay home. And Alabama produces higher amount of players per capita, but they are right by Georgia- a huge talent producing state- and right by Mississippi & Louisiana- probably the two highest talent producing states per capita. And then there is Florida, but they are so far away from South Florida- where the vast majority of the elite talent in the state of Florida is- that it is basically another world. They weren't getting elite kids from South Florida until they started winning titles. Also helps that Miami and FSU have really stunk, and Florida took a nose dive with Meyer leaving.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: DevilFroggy on November 04, 2020, 05:22:12 PM
For kindergarten last year I packed my twins' lunch but due to some CIVID relief funds they got this year the schools are providing free cafeteria food to ALL students regardless of income level so yeah, I'm taking advantage of that while it lasts.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 05, 2020, 07:35:59 AM
@OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) 






Arizona is an immoral shithole that relies on being out west and no one truly giving a damn.
That's because California moved there.

They f'd up their own state, and now they are moving to others, like locusts.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 05, 2020, 08:23:12 AM
It's not really that much easier to get those kind of nationally elite players at OSU or even Bama. It's probably a wash at best. In fact, it might even be easier at Michigan with everything they have to offer and it's proximity to a major international airport.

The key is building it. If you build it, they will come. Alabama was a mediocre for much of the 90s save a couple of years here and there, and for virtually all of the 2000s they were a dumpster fire until 2008 when Saban went 12-2 in Year 2. Been all uphill since then. Ohio State never recruited this insane nationally before Urban got there and took it to a completely next level. Day is just continuing that.

The huge difference is the local talent. Ohio produces way more football talent than Michigan, and there is no other program to have to share the instate talent with. Imagine if MSU didn't exist. Charles Rogers, Malcom McDowell, TJ Duckett, Andre Rison, William Gholston, Dion Sims, Devante Dobbs, etc., etc., - these were all big-time recruits from Michigan that wouldn't have had any other option to stay home. And Alabama produces higher amount of players per capita, but they are right by Georgia- a huge talent producing state- and right by Mississippi & Louisiana- probably the two highest talent producing states per capita. And then there is Florida, but they are so far away from South Florida- where the vast majority of the elite talent in the state of Florida is- that it is basically another world. They weren't getting elite kids from South Florida until they started winning titles. Also helps that Miami and FSU have really stunk, and Florida took a nose dive with Meyer leaving.
I mean, Bama is just closer to more of that "national" talent, and it's warmer. OSU is a more interesting case. But as you said, if you're good enough to get all the national kids, might as well go somewhere that has a good local crop. As you said, Michigan has to share a state, two of the closest by schools who can slip across the border are helmets, and there's no talent base to the north. 

Maybe you find the guy that wants to go, but he'll have options.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 05, 2020, 08:23:56 AM
@OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58)


That's because California moved there.

They f'd up their own state, and now they are moving to others, like locusts.


Trying to decided whether this is serious and if I should say something. Kinda assuming it's not. Feel free to correct me. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 05, 2020, 08:35:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cNGfHEhtng


One of the best videos I've ever seen on ut, seriously, entertaining and instructive.

And this "argument" comes up all the time on associated chat sites.

It's about the question of the "best tank of WW 2" and has a superb final answer.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 05, 2020, 08:56:27 AM
my grandmother was a school lunch cook back in the 70s when I was in school

the food wasn't always great tasting or enough to fill up a high school boy, but it wasn't horrible.  Some days better than others.  Most of the time better than a sammich and some chips in a lunch box from home

10 years ago when my daughters were in school there were mandates on nutrition that were met each meal.

maybe Iowa just does a better job than some states.

we didn't have options to purchase other food.  You went through the line and got what was offered that day.  It wasn't expensive for the majority that paid full price, it was even better for families that were deemed low income and got a reduced rate, maybe even free

I don't hear any complaints here about school lunches, but I've never heard that nacho cheese on a pretzel was the "protein" for the meal.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 05, 2020, 08:57:58 AM
@bwarbiany (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) ,

How was the Trackman experience?

I've demo ed clubs on a simulator, but not done a "fitting"
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 05, 2020, 08:59:24 AM
Trying to decided whether this is serious and if I should say something. Kinda assuming it's not. Feel free to correct me.
I think it is serious, and I think he is right. California is a failed state. And it's citizens are fleeing to Arizona, Texas, Nevada- and trying to mess up those states like they helped destroy California.

I think every other state in the country should put an immigration ban on California. No dumb Californians allowed. Let the crazy assholes stay in that rotted homeless filled shithole state and burn.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 05, 2020, 09:03:46 AM
Trying to decided whether this is serious and if I should say something. Kinda assuming it's not. Feel free to correct me.
Half way. Let's just say my relatives in AZ are not happy with the influx and how their state has changed in recent years.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 05, 2020, 09:06:40 AM
My stepson lives in SF.  We normally visit 2-3 times a year, and he comes here the same.  I enjoy visiting CA.  I'd probably have retired there except for taxes.

The notion it is some complete failure of a state is not consistent with my experience.  It has bad areas of course, which is not unique, and a lot of homeless esp. in the Tenderloin District in SF.  Much of the rest is wealthy with a high standard of living.  The eastern parts look more like Texas.  They make great wine.  A lot of the scenery is fantastic.

I think they have made mistakes in governing, but so have other states.  CA is just BIG.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 05, 2020, 09:13:53 AM
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Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 05, 2020, 09:30:07 AM
Half way. Let's just say my relatives in AZ are not happy with the influx and how their state has changed in recent years.
Ehhhh, that's everyone everywhere. Complaining about people from far away is our national sport. I'm sure many Floridians are pissed that these Midwesterners keep coming in. When they came from the northeast, it was fine, but not this! :)

You should hear how much people in my state, especially parts of my state just loath folks from Ohio. In the end, it's mostly silly fiddle-faddle. State's are big and diverse and have lots of things, and relatively arbitrary in their construction. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 05, 2020, 09:35:06 AM
California has grown to be by far the most populous state.  Calling it a failed state is not serious.  Much of the west is more or less an empty lot.  Property values are going to ensure that people slowly move away from California and towards somewhere cheaper.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 05, 2020, 09:41:15 AM
I'm sure many Floridians are pissed that these Midwesterners keep coming in. When they came from the northeast, it was fine, but not this!
Most of the population of Florida lives in like 3 areas- South Florida (9.3+ million), Tampa Bay MSA (3.2+ million), and Greater Orlando (2.6+ million). Those 3 cities and suburban areas around those cities have 70% of the population of the entire state. 

And vast majority of these people are not from Florida. Everyone is from somewhere else originally. Tampa and Orlando probably have just as many if not more midwesterners than northeasterners. The northeastern crowd is mainly South Florida- but there are a ton of midwesterners down there as well. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 05, 2020, 09:46:33 AM
I think it is serious, and I think he is right. California is a failed state. And it's citizens are fleeing to Arizona, Texas, Nevada- and trying to mess up those states like they helped destroy California.

I think every other state in the country should put an immigration ban on California. No dumb Californians allowed. Let the crazy assholes stay in that rotted homeless filled shithole state and burn.
The bolded cases me to want to say many blunt things. I will not for now as I'd like to keep a level of civility. But I'll just say it shows a profound misunderstanding of the way the world actually is. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 05, 2020, 09:51:17 AM
Most of the population of Florida lives in like 3 areas- South Florida (9.3+ million), Tampa Bay MSA (3.2+ million), and Greater Orlando (2.6+ million). Those 3 cities and suburban areas around those cities have 70% of the population of the entire state.

And vast majority of these people are not from Florida. Everyone is from somewhere else originally. Tampa and Orlando probably have just as many if not more midwesterners than northeasterners. The northeastern crowd is mainly South Florida- but there are a ton of midwesterners down there as well.
That's nice, but 73 percent of residents are from Florida and they can still complain about interlopers. And I bet some of the transplants complain about them too. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 05, 2020, 09:54:09 AM
No Canadians down here this year. Or Europeans. They are not happy to own here and not be able to come. That seems wrong.

My German friends are included in this. We will not see them this year.

Of course, we can't go there either.

Florida is fine with the Midwesterners. 

It's the NE/NY people they'd rather not have.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 05, 2020, 09:58:14 AM
California has grown to be by far the most populous state.  Calling it a failed state is not serious.  Much of the west is more or less an empty lot.  Property values are going to ensure that people slowly move away from California and towards somewhere cheaper.
California is a failed state. It wasn't that long ago that the state government was so deeply in debt that it was issuing IOU's to state employees instead of pay checks. Less than 10 years ago. 

California has nearly 30% of all homeless people in this country. One state. 30% of all homelessness. Why is that? And the homeless are turning the big cities like LA and San Fransisco into a literal dumping ground.

People leaving doesn't have as much to do with property values. There are other parts of California they could move to that are cheap. And there are a lot of rich people with plenty of money that can afford the high property value in the in-demand areas like SF/LA that are fleeing because of the INSANE taxes. And the state is trying to- not sure if it has passed yet- but they were trying to go from 13.3% state income tax for top earners to 16.8% AND institute a state wealth tax as well- the first of it's kind in any state. And as part of that wealth tax- the cocksuckers were trying to tax wealthy people who left the state for up to 10 years. 

#CaliforniaShitHole 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 05, 2020, 09:59:51 AM
I like visiting and fund most of the state to be rather nice.  Parts are not.  Just my perspective.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 05, 2020, 10:00:47 AM
That's nice, but 73 percent of residents are from Florida and they can still complain about interlopers. And I bet some of the transplants complain about them too.
This is inaccurate. Last I read, less than 35% of Florida residents were actually born/native to Florida. 

Seems like damn near half of South Florida has roots from NY/NJ.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 05, 2020, 10:03:06 AM
It is rare in Atlanta to meet someone "from here".  Some of the older upper class folks are from here.  The 'burbs have always been interlopers.

We're used to it.  The crew doing our tile job are Brazilian.

The guys doing our kitchen were from South Africa.

They have all been extremely nice and diligent and careful.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 05, 2020, 10:03:26 AM
California is a failed state. It wasn't that long ago that the state government was so deeply in debt that it was issuing IOU's to state employees instead of pay checks. Less than 10 years ago.

California has nearly 30% of all homeless people in this country. One state. 30% of all homelessness. Why is that? And the homeless are turning the big cities like LA and San Fransisco into a literal dumping ground.

People leaving doesn't have as much to do with property values. There are other parts of California they could move to that are cheap. And there are a lot of rich people with plenty of money that can afford the high property value in the in-demand areas like SF/LA that are fleeing because of the INSANE taxes. And the state is trying to- not sure if it has passed yet- but they were trying to go from 13.3% state income tax for top earners to 16.8% AND institute a state wealth tax as well- the first of it's kind in any state. And as part of that wealth tax- the cocksuckers were trying to tax wealthy people who left the state for up to 10 years.

#CaliforniaShitHole
I mean, come on.  It's the largest non-country economy in the world, would be the fifth biggest economy in the world, has two of the top three city economies in the country, and also has the highest agricultural output in the country.  Not sure what failure means if you call that a failure.  It has the most people and the most money. Calling California a failed state is like calling OSU a failed football program.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 05, 2020, 10:04:33 AM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/08/30/california-arizona-fires-blue-state-energy-coronavirus-column/5645176002/
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 05, 2020, 10:04:39 AM
This is inaccurate. Last I read, less than 35% of Florida residents were actually born/native to Florida.

Seems like damn near half of South Florida has roots from NY/NJ.
Well here's the data of where people were born. 

https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/geographic-mobility/state-of-residence-place-of-birth-acs.html

73 percent. If you'd like to show me that 35 percent, I'd love to see it. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 05, 2020, 10:06:04 AM
it just seems that way in Ft. Lauderdale
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 05, 2020, 10:06:37 AM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/08/30/california-arizona-fires-blue-state-energy-coronavirus-column/5645176002/
Wait, a political columnist wrote something bombastic to get attention? That's crazy. Next thing, I'll learn Michigan bloggers think OSU is up to no good. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 05, 2020, 10:07:40 AM
It is rare in Atlanta to meet someone "from here".  Some of the older upper class folks are from here.  The 'burbs have always been interlopers.

We're used to it.  The crew doing our tile job are Brazilian.

The guys doing our kitchen were from South Africa.

They have all been extremely nice and diligent and careful.
It's almost like people from other places are just people, and broadly categorizing them is both petty and childish. Almost. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 05, 2020, 10:12:51 AM
Well here's the data of where people were born.

https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/geographic-mobility/state-of-residence-place-of-birth-acs.html

73 percent. If you'd like to show me that 35 percent, I'd love to see it.
It's actually 36%, second lowest native born population in the nation. Would bet these numbers have probably maintained similar as 1,000+ people a day have been moving to Florida every year for the past 10+ years.

"Just 36 percent of Florida's residents were born in Florida as of 2012. Only Nevada has a smaller native population, with only 25 percent of residents born in the state, but Nevada isn't so much a state as it is a collection of brothels and casinos in the desert anyway."


From Miami-New Times - https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/florida-has-the-second-fewest-native-residents-of-any-state-6548292


Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 05, 2020, 10:17:09 AM
Calling CA a "failed state" is an opinion, unless one devises criteria for measuring state failure.

The did have fiscal problems in 2009, but largely have traversed that until COVID.

I personally would view a failed state as one technically bankrupt.  Illinois comes to mind as a state with a really bad fiscal situation that gets ignored often as not.

But if you visit the state, people are still carrying on much as before.

If you visit CA, you drive around and stay in motels and see the sights and eat in restaurants etc. and it mostly seems pretty nice to me.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 05, 2020, 10:27:01 AM
It's actually 36%, second lowest native born population in the nation. Would bet these numbers have probably maintained similar as 1,000+ people a day have been moving to Florida every year for the past 10+ years.

"Just 36 percent of Florida's residents were born in Florida as of 2012. Only Nevada has a smaller native population, with only 25 percent of residents born in the state, but Nevada isn't so much a state as it is a collection of brothels and casinos in the desert anyway."


From Miami-New Times - https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/florida-has-the-second-fewest-native-residents-of-any-state-6548292



Well crap. I grabbed the wrong denominator. My mistake. Apologies.

Fortunately, your state is 16-20 percent Northeasterners, 21 percent foreigners and 11 percent midwesterners. Hat tip to your welcoming state and a wonderful country that allows such mobility that were a person is from is in many ways a superficial signifier. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 05, 2020, 10:28:26 AM
Well here's the data of where people were born.

https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/geographic-mobility/state-of-residence-place-of-birth-acs.html

73 percent. If you'd like to show me that 35 percent, I'd love to see it.
73 percent in the summer. 35 percent in the winter. Trust me. I see it happening before my eyes.

I'm surprised the coasts don't fall off when everyone shows up.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 05, 2020, 10:33:41 AM
73 percent in the summer. 35 percent in the winter. Trust me. I see it happening before my eyes.

I'm surprised the coasts don't fall off when everyone shows up.
Ehhh, I had my math wrong. Regardless, it shows the reality, we are a mobile populace, and our ownership of any one place is illusory at best. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 05, 2020, 10:34:22 AM
@bwarbiany (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) ,

How was the Trackman experience?

I've demo ed clubs on a simulator, but not done a "fitting"
It was pretty cool. He had the Trackman as well as a full video setup. So he had me warm up and then start hitting some 7 iron shots, and after about 4 of those he already spotted an issue.

He was able to show me via video that my stance and address were textbook, my takeaway was right on plane, but at the top I was over-rotating and bringing my hands too vertical. My correction for that in the attempt to start my downswing was to bring the club back on a much too steep plane, leading to an outside-in club path (which was confirmed by the trackman). Which leads to trying to pull out of the swing to avoid chunking it, and is incredibly hard to time consistently to avoid either a chunked shot or hitting super thin (which unsurprisingly are two of my biggest bad shots).

We worked on a couple of things to keep me on plane at the top of the backswing and to focus on remaining on plane in the downswing, and although as a new movement it felt awkward the Trackman confirmed that it was completely fixing my club path. I was still leaving the club face a bit open and pushing the ball right, so he had me adjust a little on my takeaway (I was rotating my hands too early) and then strengthened my left hand grip slightly, and suddenly (confirmed by trackman) my club path and face angle at impact were perfect, and the trackman showed a perfect 167 yard 7 iron right down the middle. 

All that in 30 minutes. 

I've had lessons before, but at most all I've ever had was video, and that guy screwed me up horribly because he was a Moe Norman cultist. But if you can't tell from everything I've said in the COVID thread, I'm a data guy. The ability to correlate what I'm doing with what the Trackman was showing made the lesson much more effective to me. In a golf swing, you have what you think you're doing, and what it feels like you're doing, but it may not bear much resemblance to what the club is actually doing at impact. Video+Trackman+instruction was helpful, and that was 30 minutes.

I don't know how much I'll do lessons-wise, as they're freakin' expensive. But I firmly believe just based on those free 30 minutes that I'd get much more out of a lesson that includes the Trackman than one that does not. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 05, 2020, 10:36:23 AM
California is a failed state. It wasn't that long ago that the state government was so deeply in debt that it was issuing IOU's to state employees instead of pay checks. Less than 10 years ago.

California has nearly 30% of all homeless people in this country. One state. 30% of all homelessness. Why is that? And the homeless are turning the big cities like LA and San Fransisco into a literal dumping ground.

People leaving doesn't have as much to do with property values. There are other parts of California they could move to that are cheap. And there are a lot of rich people with plenty of money that can afford the high property value in the in-demand areas like SF/LA that are fleeing because of the INSANE taxes. And the state is trying to- not sure if it has passed yet- but they were trying to go from 13.3% state income tax for top earners to 16.8% AND institute a state wealth tax as well- the first of it's kind in any state. And as part of that wealth tax- the cocksuckers were trying to tax wealthy people who left the state for up to 10 years.

#CaliforniaShitHole
Nobody wants to live here. It's too crowded.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 05, 2020, 10:43:45 AM
I knew a fellow in Cincy from the wine tastings.  We'd chat from time to time, and I mentioned we were headed to CA next week once to him.  That really lit him off, he delivered a veritable torrent about how horrible CA was and why would anyone go there.

I asked him when was the last time he had been there, and his response was "Never, and I hope never to go there too.".

His perspective was entirely from the "news".

Now, I can take a video around here and if that is all your know about ATL, I can create an illusion very easily that it is the land of milk and honey, OR a complete failed city that is all slums and homeless, easily.

The reality of course is that the city has nice spots, very nice spots, some so so spots that are a bit trashy, and some bad spots.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 05, 2020, 10:46:14 AM
It was pretty cool. He had the Trackman as well as a full video setup. So he had me warm up and then start hitting some 7 iron shots, and after about 4 of those he already spotted an issue.

He was able to show me via video that my stance and address were textbook, my takeaway was right on plane, but at the top I was over-rotating and bringing my hands too vertical. My correction for that in the attempt to start my downswing was to bring the club back on a much too steep plane, leading to an outside-in club path (which was confirmed by the trackman). Which leads to trying to pull out of the swing to avoid chunking it, and is incredibly hard to time consistently to avoid either a chunked shot or hitting super thin (which unsurprisingly are two of my biggest bad shots).

We worked on a couple of things to keep me on plane at the top of the backswing and to focus on remaining on plane in the downswing, and although as a new movement it felt awkward the Trackman confirmed that it was completely fixing my club path. I was still leaving the club face a bit open and pushing the ball right, so he had me adjust a little on my takeaway (I was rotating my hands too early) and then strengthened my left hand grip slightly, and suddenly (confirmed by trackman) my club path and face angle at impact were perfect, and the trackman showed a perfect 167 yard 7 iron right down the middle.

All that in 30 minutes.

I've had lessons before, but at most all I've ever had was video, and that guy screwed me up horribly because he was a Moe Norman cultist. But if you can't tell from everything I've said in the COVID thread, I'm a data guy. The ability to correlate what I'm doing with what the Trackman was showing made the lesson much more effective to me. In a golf swing, you have what you think you're doing, and what it feels like you're doing, but it may not bear much resemblance to what the club is actually doing at impact. Video+Trackman+instruction was helpful, and that was 30 minutes.

I don't know how much I'll do lessons-wise, as they're freakin' expensive. But I firmly believe just based on those free 30 minutes that I'd get much more out of a lesson that includes the Trackman than one that does not.
very nice


I've never had a lesson, but I should.
I find that a minor adjustment in your grip can really help, such as strengthening your left hand
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 05, 2020, 11:36:38 AM
I knew a fellow in Cincy from the wine tastings.  We'd chat from time to time, and I mentioned we were headed to CA next week once to him.  That really lit him off, he delivered a veritable torrent about how horrible CA was and why would anyone go there.

I asked him when was the last time he had been there, and his response was "Never, and I hope never to go there too.".

His perspective was entirely from the "news".

Now, I can take a video around here and if that is all your know about ATL, I can create an illusion very easily that it is the land of milk and honey, OR a complete failed city that is all slums and homeless, easily.

The reality of course is that the city has nice spots, very nice spots, some so so spots that are a bit trashy, and some bad spots.
Exactly. 40M people live here, and despite the fact that we do have net negative domestic migration (our rate is narrowly in the top 10 nationally (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_net_migration)), the population keeps growing through births and immigration. It's not like population here is decreasing.

We have problems. Taxes are high. Cost of living is high. Traffic sucks. Fiscally, our state is not in good shape, but we're hardly unique there. 

Homelessness is a problem, sure, but I also credit a portion of that to our amazing weather and the fact that panhandlers only beg because people give them stuff. If I were homeless, I'd much rather do it in Los Angeles than freezing to death in Minneapolis...

But California also has a lot of awesomeness. Weather, of course, is better IMHO than basically anywhere else in the nation. There's tons of natural beauty, from the oceans to the mountains to the Redwoods to the High Sierra. The high population density and high cultural mixing means that quite literally we are awash in cultural enrichment opportunities. There's TONS of things to do, whether it's beaches or hiking/mountain biking/skiing, or if you enjoy breweries or wineries, or plentiful restaurants of EVERY ethnic type and quality, or museums, or shopping, or whatever floats your boat. We have a very large and high quality university system. Oh, and there are JOBS. One of the things that attract people here in the first place is employment, and our job market is just fine. Which also means that people looking to change jobs for better opportunities have more chances than in areas where there are 1-2 dominant employers and those are your only options. 

California, like anywhere, has its positives and negatives. I personally have a theory that the more people WANT to live someplace, the worse taxation gets, because they know that people will put up with it to stay there. I.e. taxation is very high here BECAUSE people love living in California. The government knows that high-tax California is still more desirable than a lot of other low-tax areas.

The truth is that I'd definitely consider leaving California, and the reason [for me] is taxation and cost of living. That said, the list of places I'd consider leaving FOR is very, very small. Which to me suggests that California is NOT a shithole, because if it were I'd be casting a much wider net if I choose to leave. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: SFBadger96 on November 05, 2020, 11:52:39 AM
Nobody wants to live here. It's too crowded.
Exactly. That's why the median cost of a home in the Bay Area is $1M.

There are plenty of good reasons for people to leave California, the cost of living chief among them. And part of the cost of living is the tax burden, which is high, relatively speaking (although it depends a lot on your age, income, and property). The biggest factor in the cost of living, though, is the cost of housing, and that, my capitalist friends, is the result of a higher demand for the available supply.

And, as noted above, there are even more good reasons to live in California, which is why that supply and demand issue has gone the way it has.

But having spent a few years living in Wisconsin and Tennessee, I'm plenty aware of the perception of California as a crazy place. That's fine. Y'all can believe it if you want to.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 05, 2020, 11:54:27 AM
very nice

I've never had a lesson, but I should.

I find that a minor adjustment in your grip can really help, such as strengthening your left hand
For me I want to avoid lessons as much as I can, because I'm still not a "serious" golfer. It's not like I'm going to be competing. So the ROI unless I'm really trying to get myself down to single digit handicap probably isn't worth it. I doubt I'm regularly going to see more than 20-25 full 18-hole rounds of golf a year.

If I can merely know what to practice to avoid horrible shots, I should be able to get myself inside of bogey golf with some consistent range time. All I'm looking for is consistent solid contact and distance, and a generally straight-ish ball flight. I figure I can get there with range time, and likely an equipment upgrade because my 20-year-old clubs are not anywhere near as forgiving and technologically advanced as these 460cc drivers and game improvement irons. 

For you, since you play MUCH more often than I do, and probably are competitive [i.e. betting] with your regular playing partners, lessons might be a good thing. You have more time to devote to your game and play often enough that your ROI is higher.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 05, 2020, 01:26:19 PM
I’m just half joking when I say California is a shit hole. It obviously isn’t.

Michigan however is a complete shit hole. In large part thanks to Detroit, Flint, and Pontiac. So glad I got out of that dumpster fire.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 05, 2020, 01:42:34 PM
This is inaccurate. Last I read, less than 35% of Florida residents were actually born/native to Florida.

Seems like damn near half of South Florida has roots from NY/NJ.
35% is a comically-low number for anywhere.  Sheer common sense throws that number out the window, right?  C'mon, man.


Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 05, 2020, 02:41:51 PM
35% is a comically-low number for anywhere.  Sheer common sense throws that number out the window, right?  C'mon, man.



It is, but after double checking, it's right. Florida is a state of immigrants from other states.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 05, 2020, 02:42:29 PM
I’m just half joking when I say California is a shit hole. It obviously isn’t.

Michigan however is a complete shit hole. In large part thanks to Detroit, Flint, and Pontiac. So glad I got out of that dumpster fire.
I took the wife on a driving trip up through Michigan and the UP, stayed in Traverse City, really like it a lot, and then Marquette, also very nice place.  It was summer.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: SFBadger96 on November 05, 2020, 02:45:10 PM
I have been to places in many states--and the District of Columbia--that I didn't want to stay in any longer than I absolutely had to, and a few in which I felt downright unsafe (again, including in DC). But I have yet to visit a state that I thought was universally horrible (and I love visiting DC, just not all of it). I don't like excessive humidity and heat, so I'm not a huge fan of the deep south and Florida, but I've enjoyed visits to Atlanta and think it--and the areas outside of it--would likely be fine places to live. Houston doesn't resonate with me, though it's fair to point out that I have some pretty strong negative work affiliations with it. I enjoyed my visits to Dallas, loved Austin (though I hear its terrible, don't go there), lived in El Paso for a few seconds, and I've heard too many good things about San Antonio to think its horrible.

I have in-laws in New England and have spent a lot of time there. It's lovely, but not especially hospitable in the winter.

I'm a city dweller--or at least a fairly urban suburbanite, and I don't see myself living far out in any rural areas, though I've often thought a long vacation in the farmland of Wisconsin would be lovely, and I very much enjoy "the great outdoors" for recreation. If so much of my money weren't tied up in my mortgage and if I had more vacation days every year, I would love to have a cabin on a lake somewhere--Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan all seem like excellent candidates for that sort of thing, and maybe upstate New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, or Maine, too. The good spots like that on the west coast are already pretty cost prohibitive.

End of pointless ramble.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 05, 2020, 02:50:37 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/K6q6sy5.jpg)


The tree that was toppled in the park.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 05, 2020, 02:55:19 PM
I agree with sfbadger.  I have found good and bad everywhere. 

I don't like cold long winters.  I lived in the suburbs all my life until 2+ years ago except for my college years.

Life in a fairly big city is quite different of course, but more varied and interesting.  And there are "suburbs" just north of us, regular residential areas with large houses, and small shopping mall in walking distance with a Kroger and  a Publix and a wine store (I don't go there any more) and some other places.  I like being able to walk to restaurants, the symphony, the art museum, the botanical garden, the park.

We have one car now and it's plenty.

There is a park in Paris I've always admired, Parc Monceau, that has midrise apartments overlooking it.  The wife says they run well into the millions of euros.  This place reminds me a bit of that, sans the millions of euros.  So, I'm happy here.

The property and sales taxes are a bite though.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 05, 2020, 03:40:09 PM
https://www.midtownatl.com/about/news-center/post/sky-high-drone-pics-capture-the-latest-development-activity

Some of the construction going up near us.  I wonder how the COVID situation is going to change office space permanently of course.  

I like watching these things get built, it is rather amazing to me what humans can do, when they build instead of destroy.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 05, 2020, 03:42:34 PM
https://www.midtownatl.com/about/news-center/post/sky-high-drone-pics-capture-the-latest-development-activity

Some of the construction going up near us.  I wonder how the COVID situation is going to change office space permanently of course. 

I like watching these things get built, it is rather amazing to me what humans can do, when they build instead of destroy.
A lot of effort for something that'll only stand five years :57:
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 06, 2020, 08:58:35 AM
It now appears Georgia will have TWO US Senate runoffs in January.  TWO.

Holy cow.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 06, 2020, 09:00:28 AM
Yep, and that will decide the Senate. Scary stuff.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 06, 2020, 09:22:26 AM
Those elections will also be very close.   This state is officially Purple now.  I moved here to get away from a battle ground state.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 06, 2020, 09:24:46 AM
You didn't see that coming?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 06, 2020, 09:31:21 AM
I came here for the waters.


It's another glorious day here, 61°F at the moment, blue skies, some cirrus out there.  No rain forecast until Tuesday, highs in the low 70s each day.  I can tolerate TV advertising because I don't watch network TV unless the wife turns on the news (which she likes to do, but she has a TV in the bedroom and in her office.

I had asked the manager of Silverlake Ramen if I could buy one of their shirts because they are KA, and he gave me one when last we dined there.  They opened at a bad time and are struggling to get going now, they do quite a bit of take out.  I'm told their locations in LA are often mobbed with people.



Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 06, 2020, 09:39:46 AM
Awesome weather in Columbus. Should be in 70s all weekend. Might get to watch some football outside tomorrow. What should I grill?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 06, 2020, 09:44:48 AM
The wife loves lobster.  I'm rather indifferent to it, it's fine, but expensive generally.  I do like snow crab a lot.

Kroger has these frozen lobster tails, two for $6, so I buy two (x 2) for $12 and grill them, and they turn out pretty well, she liked them.  They were OK to me, but I can eat almost anything (not liver).

I could probably get better lobster at Costco, perhaps, and certainly in Boston.  We have a Legal Seafood around here somewhere I see.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 06, 2020, 09:50:04 AM
Stone crab tonight.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 06, 2020, 10:11:43 AM
Interesting idea.


https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-france-borders-macron-idUKKBN27L1YE
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 06, 2020, 10:16:21 AM
Rethink .... how exactly?

Seems like talk to me.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 06, 2020, 10:18:01 AM
Interesting idea.


https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-france-borders-macron-idUKKBN27L1YE
Always laugh at the open border idiots. 

Can’t have a country if you don’t have strong borders. 

Maybe if the US and it’s NATO puppets- of which France is one- would stop destabilizing and destroying these countries in the Middle East, there wouldn’t be any refugees fleeing to Europe in the first place? Gee, what a novel concept.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 06, 2020, 10:32:19 AM
And why is there a migration crisis in Europe? The Democratic Party of Obama/Biden/Clinton ladies and gents. Get ready for more war & destruction! Awesome. Can’t wait! This guy should have all charges dismissed and have a statue built- for sure he will now be thrown in a cage for the rest of his life. You can bet on that google anti-trust suite magically disappearing as well.

https://youtu.be/04MDYW1oEe0

https://youtu.be/TACfQT3Th3k
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 06, 2020, 10:50:41 AM
Costco has been selling whole lambs. Not sure if it's seasonal, but man do I want to try one.  
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 06, 2020, 10:53:15 AM
Costco has been selling whole lambs. Not sure if it's seasonal, but man do I want to try one. 
Ooh, that could be fun. I wonder how much it would freak out the kids lol...
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 06, 2020, 10:59:35 AM
Costco has been selling whole lambs. Not sure if it's seasonal, but man do I want to try one. 
Do you know how to butcher?

I've tried and I'm not too good (arthritis). 

You can get your gyro meat!!
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 06, 2020, 11:24:06 AM
Do you know how to butcher?

I've tried and I'm not too good (arthritis).

You can get your gyro meat!!
I think they come cleaned. I would probably cook it whole, barbacoa style, so no need to cut things off.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 06, 2020, 11:24:48 AM
Ooh, that could be fun. I wonder how much it would freak out the kids lol...
We did a pig when my oldest turned 8. The second one is about to turn 8, so she needs some sort of whole animal
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 06, 2020, 11:26:37 AM
I think they come cleaned. I would probably cook it whole, barbacoa style, so no need to cut things off.
Hmm. I think I'd want the chops and roasts, at least. You can do the shanks whole in that style.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 06, 2020, 11:41:42 AM
I knew a fellow in Cincy from the wine tastings.  We'd chat from time to time, and I mentioned we were headed to CA next week once to him.  That really lit him off, he delivered a veritable torrent about how horrible CA was and why would anyone go there.

I asked him when was the last time he had been there, and his response was "Never, and I hope never to go there too.".

His perspective was entirely from the "news".

Now, I can take a video around here and if that is all your know about ATL, I can create an illusion very easily that it is the land of milk and honey, OR a complete failed city that is all slums and homeless, easily.

The reality of course is that the city has nice spots, very nice spots, some so so spots that are a bit trashy, and some bad spots.
It's funny, as a Californian who now lives in the south, I have, not exactly the reverse of that, but a version of it. Friends sort of pass on the idea of living down here, citing this or that. But I'm convinced the thing that makes home home is a passing familiarity and family. I might be weird weird.

It's funny because I went to north GA on a trip and thought, well, this isn't that much different from far north Ca. Stumbled into a small winery off a two-lane road. It was nice.

States are big, cool diverse places by and large. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 06, 2020, 11:45:09 AM
The more we travel, the more we learn that humans everywhere are pretty much like us, with some exceptions.

We have a lot in this country they don't have elsewhere.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 09, 2020, 04:03:41 PM
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/german-scientist-discovers-x-rays?cmpid=email-hist-tdih-2020-1108-11082020&om_rid=fe8126916eb5368f71b1425f9ccb663e2757bd6c092fc3b2d9170e0b5a87289a&fbclid=IwAR0cSCceU9-rnBRKyfBzowmBbnje5XQLxKOaqC0r74F2HpFBJ_ZrFwH-UYo

On this day in history, X-rays discovered.

Tomorrow is some notable anniversary as well.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 10, 2020, 08:52:58 AM
So, today is a notable anniversary/birthday, as we all are aware of course.

SF.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 10, 2020, 09:04:41 AM
Do you know how to butcher?

I've tried and I'm not too good (arthritis).

You can get your gyro meat!!
This reminds me of the Miss Navajo pageant.  There ain't no bikinis, but one portion of the judging is butchering a sheep.  
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 10, 2020, 09:23:52 AM
This reminds me of the Miss Navajo pageant.  There ain't no bikinis, but one portion of the judging is butchering a sheep. 
Practical has hell. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 10, 2020, 09:42:25 AM
So, today is a notable anniversary/birthday, as we all are aware of course.

SF.
??? I know the Edmund Fitzgerald went down on this date in'75.Many of the crewman were from NE.Ohio.One from my community.Veterans Day is tomorrow,so......
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 10, 2020, 10:36:07 AM
??? I know the Edmund Fitzgerald went down on this date in'75.Many of the crewman were from NE.Ohio.One from my community.Veterans Day is tomorrow,so......
That song is a real downer to play at bars. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 10, 2020, 10:37:21 AM
That song is a real downer to play at bars.
Also when you are on a boat in open water.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: GopherRock on November 10, 2020, 10:57:03 AM
That song is a real downer to play at bars.
Or driving along the North Shore in bad weather.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 11:37:59 AM
does anybody else find it ironic that Stephen Colbert went from parodying a blowhard...to actually becoming one?

I used to love his Colbert Report Show. He was hilarious. Now his late night show is horrible and he is just so phony and insufferable. He went the wrong route- none of those network late night shows are any good- they are all just so astonishingly terrible. The last good one imo was Conan- and NBC fired him to bring back the dinosaur Leno.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 11:38:39 AM
also ironic- 

2016 Dems - RUSSIA RIGGED THIS ELECTION! 

2020 Dems - ELECTIONS CAN'T BE RIGGED!
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 10, 2020, 11:39:52 AM
Late night shows at my age are not a "thing" for me.  I thought one thing I'd surely do after retirement is sleep late.  Doesn't happen, ever.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 10, 2020, 11:41:39 AM
Man, I used to own Illinois properties and now I'm really glad I got out of that business. This has not been a problem with our California holdings. People are paying.


But you know who else is hurting? Landlords, many of whom own only a few properties and depend on rental payments to cover their own bills. Pritzker’s orders treat them as a public resource to be tapped at will, without much regard for their own needs. The Chicago City Council also has issued stricter rules on landlords who decide not to renew leases.

There are some obvious problems here. These measures don’t provide help to property owners struggling to pay mortgages and property taxes, not to mention maintenance costs. “My landlords are very desperate,” Chicago lawyer Carol Oshana told WBEZ. (https://www.wbez.org/stories/the-government-is-protecting-renters-but-who-is-looking-out-for-small-landlords/f635eda0-fda0-4c44-b009-93c6d49343eb) “They have (renters who) are working but don’t want to pay.”

Tenants, in theory, are obligated to make up all the missed payments once the moratorium ends, but that’s cold comfort for owners who need income now — and who may never be able to collect what they’re owed. Michael Glasser, president of the Neighborhood Building Owners Alliance in an October commentary, (https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-opinion-eviction-moratorium-coronavirus-pritzker-20201009-acrnrbasfrcdbbeqz476yuqsqq-story.html) said there aren’t enough safeguards in the moratorium to weed out those cheating the system, the ones who aren’t paying because they know they don’t have to.

“Housing certainly is a necessity, but so are food and medicine. We don’t require grocery stores to provide free food, nor pharmacies to provide free medicine. Yet we require housing providers, including our smaller, more vulnerable neighborhood housing providers, to offer housing for free regardless of the circumstances,” he wrote.


Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 10, 2020, 11:52:13 AM
Hoping that the politics here can disappear again... 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 10, 2020, 11:54:03 AM
Saturn and Jupiter are in very close conjunction in the western sky after sunset.  It's an unusual event.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 10, 2020, 11:58:30 AM
Hoping that the politics here can disappear again...
That snipped article was not about politics. It was about policy.

They are not the same.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 10, 2020, 12:08:12 PM
That snipped article was not about politics. It was about policy.

They are not the same.
A few posts above yours, Badge.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 10, 2020, 12:58:22 PM
Just to be clear, I haven't been deleting political posts on this thread, just the Coronavirus thread.  

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 12:59:58 PM
A few posts above yours, Badge.
that wasn't politics either. They were observations based in fact. Who said a word about politics? 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 01:06:00 PM
Man, I used to own Illinois properties and now I'm really glad I got out of that business. This has not been a problem with our California holdings. People are paying.


But you know who else is hurting? Landlords, many of whom own only a few properties and depend on rental payments to cover their own bills. Pritzker’s orders treat them as a public resource to be tapped at will, without much regard for their own needs. The Chicago City Council also has issued stricter rules on landlords who decide not to renew leases.

There are some obvious problems here. These measures don’t provide help to property owners struggling to pay mortgages and property taxes, not to mention maintenance costs. “My landlords are very desperate,” Chicago lawyer Carol Oshana told WBEZ. (https://www.wbez.org/stories/the-government-is-protecting-renters-but-who-is-looking-out-for-small-landlords/f635eda0-fda0-4c44-b009-93c6d49343eb) “They have (renters who) are working but don’t want to pay.”

Tenants, in theory, are obligated to make up all the missed payments once the moratorium ends, but that’s cold comfort for owners who need income now — and who may never be able to collect what they’re owed. Michael Glasser, president of the Neighborhood Building Owners Alliance in an October commentary, (https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-opinion-eviction-moratorium-coronavirus-pritzker-20201009-acrnrbasfrcdbbeqz476yuqsqq-story.html) said there aren’t enough safeguards in the moratorium to weed out those cheating the system, the ones who aren’t paying because they know they don’t have to.

“Housing certainly is a necessity, but so are food and medicine. We don’t require grocery stores to provide free food, nor pharmacies to provide free medicine. Yet we require housing providers, including our smaller, more vulnerable neighborhood housing providers, to offer housing for free regardless of the circumstances,” he wrote.
Illinois sucks. Chicago is cool, but if I was going to live in an over-crowded, big city, New York would be by far the choice to go. It's just a way better city with better food. And it's almost unbelievable just based on the sheer size of New York and how much bigger it is than Chicago- but it is incredibly more safe and spectacularly less corrupt than Chicago.

Nothing was addressed by the federal gov't to help small landlords or every day people struggling with rent/mortgages. What did they do? Give people a one time $1,200 check and pass a corporate bail out worth that's at least $6 trillion- maybe even upwards of $10 trillion.  

The federal gov't is a joke. It's not just one person or party, it's both parties and it's all of them.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 10, 2020, 01:11:52 PM
Just to be clear, I haven't been deleting political posts on this thread, just the Coronavirus thread. 


Thinking about deleting this post.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 10, 2020, 01:12:13 PM
that wasn't politics either. They were observations based in fact. Who said a word about politics?
It was not factual, it was a clear distortion. And the clear intent was to suggest that one political party are hypocrites. 

Which is of course easy to do, because both parties are. They make whatever argument benefits them today, regardless of what they've done in the past. 

But I was tempted to argue the point with you, and I'd really like to see this board return to being about college sports (and alcohol, and cooking, and other randomness). 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 10, 2020, 01:13:47 PM
In other news, many of us for the most part handled the politics pretty well, a lot better than I've seen some "friends" do on Facebook.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 10, 2020, 01:17:21 PM
that wasn't politics either. They were observations based in fact. Who said a word about politics?
Because something is an observation based on a fact doesn't mean it can't be political. The two are functionally independent. It's also catnip for more argumentation on that very subject. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 10, 2020, 01:21:37 PM
Man, I used to own Illinois properties and now I'm really glad I got out of that business. This has not been a problem with our California holdings. People are paying.


But you know who else is hurting? Landlords, many of whom own only a few properties and depend on rental payments to cover their own bills. Pritzker’s orders treat them as a public resource to be tapped at will, without much regard for their own needs. The Chicago City Council also has issued stricter rules on landlords who decide not to renew leases.

There are some obvious problems here. These measures don’t provide help to property owners struggling to pay mortgages and property taxes, not to mention maintenance costs. “My landlords are very desperate,” Chicago lawyer Carol Oshana told WBEZ. (https://www.wbez.org/stories/the-government-is-protecting-renters-but-who-is-looking-out-for-small-landlords/f635eda0-fda0-4c44-b009-93c6d49343eb) “They have (renters who) are working but don’t want to pay.”

Tenants, in theory, are obligated to make up all the missed payments once the moratorium ends, but that’s cold comfort for owners who need income now — and who may never be able to collect what they’re owed. Michael Glasser, president of the Neighborhood Building Owners Alliance in an October commentary, (https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-opinion-eviction-moratorium-coronavirus-pritzker-20201009-acrnrbasfrcdbbeqz476yuqsqq-story.html) said there aren’t enough safeguards in the moratorium to weed out those cheating the system, the ones who aren’t paying because they know they don’t have to.

“Housing certainly is a necessity, but so are food and medicine. We don’t require grocery stores to provide free food, nor pharmacies to provide free medicine. Yet we require housing providers, including our smaller, more vulnerable neighborhood housing providers, to offer housing for free regardless of the circumstances,” he wrote.



Land lording on average is a tough deal during good times. So much luck if you're down to a few tenants, downright brutal on both sides if you're on the lower-income end. 

This mostly isn't good policy, though the market answer is to just turn up homelessness. And in the end the landlords still take a loss of some sort, though less of one. That market was in line for a contraction at some point. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 10, 2020, 01:24:38 PM
Hello, floodgates.  


Mdot's post might as well be pro-flat earth.  
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 01:30:01 PM
Hello, floodgates. 


Mdot's post might as well be pro-flat earth. 
you are delusional. the earth is a triangle. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 10, 2020, 01:30:53 PM
Land lording on average is a tough deal during good times. So much luck if you're down to a few tenants, downright brutal on both sides if you're on the lower-income end.

This mostly isn't good policy, though the market answer is to just turn up homelessness. And in the end the landlords still take a loss of some sort, though less of one. That market was in line for a contraction at some point.
Wondering how this will affect residential real estate...

I want to be able to buy in to this SoCal market, but not at these levels. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 10, 2020, 01:32:12 PM
Wondering how this will affect residential real estate...

I want to be able to buy in to this SoCal market, but not at these levels.
We picked up most of our holdings in 2012. We're 98 percent rented (150 units).
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 01:34:04 PM
It was not factual, it was a clear distortion. And the clear intent was to suggest that one political party are hypocrites.

Which is of course easy to do, because both parties are. They make whatever argument benefits them today, regardless of what they've done in the past.
It is factual, and it's not a clear distortion. 

I was merely pointing out ASTOUNDING levels of hypocrisy by a bunch of assholes. Has nothing to do with politics, never suggested any election was rigged- because- you know there has to be evidence for that- and as far as I can see- there is like no evidence for 2016 or 2020.

But it is F'NG hilarious that was the narrative in 2016- RUSSIA RIGGED IT! Launched RIDICULOUS investigations/impeachment hearings. Now in 2020- ELECTIONS CANNOT BE RIGGED! It's downright hilarious- and not political at all.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 01:36:45 PM
Wondering how this will affect residential real estate...

I want to be able to buy in to this SoCal market, but not at these levels.
Residential real estate in South Florida is going bonkers and continues to go to this day. Especially the higher end luxury market. That's single family stuff though. The high-rise/condo stuff has slowed down a bit- but it's always strong bc South Florida is an international playground of the rich. Every rich asshole in the world has a multi-million dollar vacation condo in South Florida.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 10, 2020, 01:42:39 PM
It's got to be hard to be taken seriously when you're playing word games with 'rigged' and 'influenced'.  Laughing off the former as absurd and ignoring the avalanche of evidence for the latter.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 10, 2020, 01:44:03 PM
Thinking about deleting this post.
Ha!
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 10, 2020, 03:14:55 PM
It is factual, and it's not a clear distortion.

I was merely pointing out ASTOUNDING levels of hypocrisy by a bunch of assholes. Has nothing to do with politics, never suggested any election was rigged- because- you know there has to be evidence for that- and as far as I can see- there is like no evidence for 2016 or 2020.

But it is F'NG hilarious that was the narrative in 2016- RUSSIA RIGGED IT! Launched RIDICULOUS investigations/impeachment hearings. Now in 2020- ELECTIONS CANNOT BE RIGGED! It's downright hilarious- and not political at all.
No. Words mean things. People here [rightly, IMHO] jump on OAM because he'll often make some bombastic statement or statement with no possible nuance and when challenged say "you know what I meant."

In 2016, the Russians did not rig the election and no credible source anywhere has claimed they did. To "rig" an election would be to mess with the vote such that legitimate votes were not counted, illegitimate votes were cast and counted, or the vote totals were changed/modified, and thus the outcome of the election was NOT what the voters actually cast their ballots for. 

In 2016, the Russians engaged in a state-sponsored campaign [mostly via social media as I understand it with the aid of biased news web sites] to spread misinformation and disinformation and influence the outcome of the election. Essentially all they did was try to change perception of one candidate relative to the other. Basically they were surreptitiously campaigning for Trump, not rigging an election. However, in no possible way can this be called "rigging" an election. 

None of what the Russians did would really be actionable, to be honest. If the Trump campaign had colluded with them, however, that would have been a major problem. But that wasn't proven. 

It's now 2020. The claims are that the election was rigged, that it's a fraud, that fraudulent votes were cast, that the counts are incorrect, etc. This is a much different claim than what the Democrats claimed about 2016. 

That's why it is not factual. The Democrats didn't claim in 2016 that Russia rigged the election, they claimed that Russia was influencing the election for Trump and believed that Trump colluded with Russia to do so. The didn't claim that the vote wasn't legitimate. Now the Republicans are claiming that the election was actually rigged and the vote counts aren't legitimate.

Two different claims. You're the one putting words in the 2016 Dems' mouths here to claim it's hypocrisy, but that's not accurate. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 10, 2020, 03:25:51 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/BxpbkSr.png)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 10, 2020, 03:26:41 PM
https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p600x600/124773184_10223551850285334_5342466274255629182_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=09cbfe&_nc_ohc=LaBu7WXG7rYAX9LgfMA&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&tp=6&oh=3f3c93d8d889b9acd4d0547d43ef8cd9&oe=5FD254CC

If you are interested in the details of the various stages of electing a President, not meant to be political, and I'm sure some think this is archaic, but it's what exists.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 10, 2020, 03:33:39 PM
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/nazis-launch-kristallnacht?cmpid=email-hist-tdih-2020-1109-11092020&om_rid=fe8126916eb5368f71b1425f9ccb663e2757bd6c092fc3b2d9170e0b5a87289a&fbclid=IwAR1tOLeJ28jW1Hx7qy9Q8pgh0Ziawsoy7elVDN-7XQ7f2MiHLlmDxI0alIc
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 10, 2020, 04:12:22 PM
No. Words mean things. People here [rightly, IMHO] jump on OAM because he'll often make some bombastic statement or statement with no possible nuance and when challenged say "you know what I meant."

In 2016, the Russians did not rig the election and no credible source anywhere has claimed they did. To "rig" an election would be to mess with the vote such that legitimate votes were not counted, illegitimate votes were cast and counted, or the vote totals were changed/modified, and thus the outcome of the election was NOT what the voters actually cast their ballots for.

In 2016, the Russians engaged in a state-sponsored campaign [mostly via social media as I understand it with the aid of biased news web sites] to spread misinformation and disinformation and influence the outcome of the election. Essentially all they did was try to change perception of one candidate relative to the other. Basically they were surreptitiously campaigning for Trump, not rigging an election. However, in no possible way can this be called "rigging" an election.

None of what the Russians did would really be actionable, to be honest. If the Trump campaign had colluded with them, however, that would have been a major problem. But that wasn't proven.

It's now 2020. The claims are that the election was rigged, that it's a fraud, that fraudulent votes were cast, that the counts are incorrect, etc. This is a much different claim than what the Democrats claimed about 2016.

That's why it is not factual. The Democrats didn't claim in 2016 that Russia rigged the election, they claimed that Russia was influencing the election for Trump and believed that Trump colluded with Russia to do so. The didn't claim that the vote wasn't legitimate. Now the Republicans are claiming that the election was actually rigged and the vote counts aren't legitimate.

Two different claims. You're the one putting words in the 2016 Dems' mouths here to claim it's hypocrisy, but that's not accurate.

Well let's be clear who you're talking about when you say "The Democrats" in the above.  Are you talking about the DNC?  Hillary herself?  Or just people that vote Democrat?  Or people in the media that choose to report things in... how should I say it... a "Democrat-slanted manner?"

Because I know quite a few people that voted for Hillary, and who didn't understand exactly what was done with respect to Russian influence, and who most assuredly stated outright that Trump and the RNC and the Russians rigged the election.   And there were also, most certainly, some... "Democrat-slanted media members"... who reported it that way as well.

They might have meant something else, but that's not what they said-- they said it was rigged, and further they were certain that there was conclusive proof that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians. 

I'm not disagreeing with the spirit of what you're saying, but since I agree with you that words mean something, I think it's important to be clear about who and what we're talking about.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 10, 2020, 04:27:34 PM
https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p600x600/124773184_10223551850285334_5342466274255629182_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=09cbfe&_nc_ohc=LaBu7WXG7rYAX9LgfMA&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&tp=6&oh=3f3c93d8d889b9acd4d0547d43ef8cd9&oe=5FD254CC

If you are interested in the details of the various stages of electing a President, not meant to be political, and I'm sure some think this is archaic, but it's what exists.
There's a picture of a guy in uniform who resembles Urban Meyer but no details
PS - what's the cake say?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 10, 2020, 04:29:03 PM
Meh, my bad.  That is Lt. Col, Greiner.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 04:44:37 PM
Well let's be clear who you're talking about when you say "The Democrats" in the above.  Are you talking about the DNC?  Hillary herself?  Or just people that vote Democrat?  Or people in the media that choose to report things in... how should I say it... a "Democrat-slanted manner?"

Because I know quite a few people that voted for Hillary, and who didn't understand exactly what was done with respect to Russian influence, and who most assuredly stated outright that Trump and the RNC and the Russians rigged the election.  And there were also, most certainly, some... "Democrat-slanted media members"... who reported it that way as well.

They might have meant something else, but that's not what they said-- they said it was rigged, and further they were certain that there was conclusive proof that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians. 

I'm not disagreeing with the spirit of what you're saying, but since I agree with you that words mean something, I think it's important to be clear about who and what we're talking about.
Yeah I didn't respond because I didn't want to get into it- and I was trying to heed your warnings of no more political talk- but his post was pretty naive- at best.

We had about 3+ years of evidence-free based conspiracies and out-landish media coverage on MSNBC/CNN saying Russia "hacked" the election, you had people go on TV and say was the "greatest attack on America SINCE 9-11 or Pearl Harbor!"- that Trump colluded with Russia and is a Russian puppet- oh I distinctly remember Chris Hayes on MSNBC bringing some idiot writer named Jonathan Chait on TV- who speaking of college football msg boards- Chait actually posts on the Michigan Rivals message board- go on TV and say that Trump may have been a Russian asset since 1987. This literally happened. It was non-stop wall-to-wall coverage. MSNBC and CNN brought on disgraced ex-spooks like John Brennan and James Clapper to openly lie without a shred of evidence backing up any of their obvious false claims- for 3+ years. Pretty standard operation procedure here- if a CIA/NSA spook is going on TV to tell you something- yeah- it's not true. You want to talk about disinformation- who do you think the kings of the universe of disinformation are....lol...our CIA/NSA- that's who.

The Russians did very little to "interfere" with the election. Anyone who says they did honestly cannot be taken seriously. The rest of the world laughed at the US when those claims were going through the US media.

Oh- and by the way- the US doesn't interfere with elections. Like EVER. Lol. Oh- and another by the way- the US didn't "hack" a Russian election in the '90s. They outright rigged it. Lol.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 10, 2020, 04:59:36 PM
Well let's be clear who you're talking about when you say "The Democrats" in the above.  Are you talking about the DNC?  Hillary herself?  Or just people that vote Democrat?  Or people in the media that choose to report things in... how should I say it... a "Democrat-slanted manner?"

Because I know quite a few people that voted for Hillary, and who didn't understand exactly what was done with respect to Russian influence, and who most assuredly stated outright that Trump and the RNC and the Russians rigged the election.  And there were also, most certainly, some... "Democrat-slanted media members"... who reported it that way as well.

They might have meant something else, but that's not what they said-- they said it was rigged, and further they were certain that there was conclusive proof that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians. 

I'm not disagreeing with the spirit of what you're saying, but since I agree with you that words mean something, I think it's important to be clear about who and what we're talking about.

Listen, there are dumb people everywhere. People who don't understand what's going on, on a good day, being asked to understand complicated things like what Russia was actually doing in 2016.

And sometimes what people say isn't what other people hear, which is why I'm so adamant about words meaning things.

I don't recall anyone in the Democrat "establishment" claiming the election was rigged. By which I mean Hillary, higher-ups in the DNC, prominent Democrat House or Senate members, etc. I also don't recall anyone in the mainstream media using the term "rigged".

I believe I heard the term "interference" out of a large number of them... Which itself can be a much more charged word than influence. Interference comes with it the connotation that something is being done wrongly, or crossing a boundary.

That said, we know our own government "influences" foreign elections and events. I'm sure the locals there call it interference. Just as we call what Russia did interference, and I'm sure they call it influence.

I don't doubt that you know Democrats who used the term "rigged". Just as the forum at the bottom of this site is replete with a bunch of people who will parrot every one of the far-fetched and most deranged conspiracy theories of the right.

If we sat there and said that "X doesn't say Y", and looked at the dumbest and most easily-led subset of "X", you'll find someone who says "Y". So I am naturally referring to the ones with power, influence, position, etc at or near the top. They weren't saying "rigged".
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 10, 2020, 05:06:44 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-dnc-rigged/index.html

Warren said it was rigged, but she was referring to the primary in this case.  The term "rigged", as noted, means different things to different people.

https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/politics/2020/08/25/hillary-clinton-tells-joe-biden-to--not-concede-under-any-circumstances-
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 05:17:46 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-dnc-rigged/index.html

Warren said it was rigged, but she was referring to the primary in this case.  The term "rigged", as noted, means different things to different people.
the DNC absolutely rigged the primary in 2016 in order for Hillary to secure the nomination. The WikiLeaks dumps showed this, and then DNC head Debbie Wasserman Schultz' (who by the way, used to work for Hillary) resignation and former DNC insider Donna Brazille confirmed it. 

Damn shame, because Bernie would've won in 2016. The Democrats were running against one of the most unlikeable people ever in Trump. The only problem is- they rigged their primary in order to run an even more unlikeable person than Trump. Trump also talked a great game- running on a clearly phony populist message he obviously didn't believe in- I mean- the dude is a billionaire...c'mon man.

Instead of taking a real hard look at the failing state of party and the rampant corruption within it, they scream Russia for 4 years.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 10, 2020, 05:20:49 PM
In other news, since I had the China Virus back in March and then recovered, I went on a weight loss mission.

Not a diet, a lifestyle change. I still eat what I like and drink (too much). It's about when and why you eat. Pretty cool.

I started April 8.

Hit the 40 pound mark today. 

Gonna go for another 30 still. Should be done by April.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 10, 2020, 05:26:21 PM
If we sat there and said that "X doesn't say Y", and looked at the dumbest and most easily-led subset of "X", you'll find someone who says "Y". So I am naturally referring to the ones with power, influence, position, etc at or near the top. They weren't saying "rigged".
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/us/politics/hillary-clinton-russia-fbi-comey.html
 What is she saying then,there are so many articles saying she did precicely that.Because their take isn't the same as yours doesn't make them dumb.I agree with 94 and MDot Clinton's camp threw a lot of shit hoping it would stick
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 05:29:13 PM
In other news, since I had the China Virus back in March and then recovered, I went on a weight loss mission.

Not a diet, a lifestyle change. I still eat what I like and drink (too much). It's about when and why you eat. Pretty cool.

I started April 8.

Hit the 40 pound mark today.

Gonna go for another 30 still. Should be done by April.
Nice! Keep up the good work. I gained a shit ton of weight during the quarantine from March to May. I have yet to lose it. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 10, 2020, 05:29:48 PM
In other news, since I had the China Virus back in March and then recovered, I went on a weight loss mission.

Not a diet, a lifestyle change. I still eat what I like and drink (too much). It's about when and why you eat. Pretty cool.

I started April 8.

Hit the 40 pound mark today.

Gonna go for another 30 still. Should be done by April.
Congrats, Badge! That's excellent!
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 10, 2020, 05:31:11 PM
In other news, since I had the China Virus back in March and then recovered, I went on a weight loss mission.

Not a diet, a lifestyle change. I still eat what I like and drink (too much). It's about when and why you eat. Pretty cool.
Kudos,Never had to watch my weight that much but choestrol is another story and sometimes BP.Best advice I received was write down everything you eat.Is it cleansing or clogging - in other words stay a natural as possible.I eat alot of steamed veggies and raw fruit along with Brats.pork and sirloins and an occasional pie - pizza and fruit
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 05:32:09 PM
I don't recall anyone in the Democrat "establishment" claiming the election was rigged. By which I mean Hillary, higher-ups in the DNC, prominent Democrat House or Senate members, etc. I also don't recall anyone in the mainstream media using the term "rigged".
No, they just went on TV for 3+ years and peddled evidence-free based conspiracies that we were just "attacked in the worst attack since Pearl Harbor!" - that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election, and that Putin was in control of the Executive Branch of the US gov't. This was prominent democrats saying this sort of junk. Lol.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 10, 2020, 05:33:25 PM
In other news, since I had the China Virus back in March and then recovered, I went on a weight loss mission.

Not a diet, a lifestyle change. I still eat what I like and drink (too much). It's about when and why you eat. Pretty cool.

I started April 8.

Hit the 40 pound mark today.

Gonna go for another 30 still. Should be done by April.
nice work

I should do something like that.  but it seems uncomfortable

I'm doing some fasting to see if I get results.  Started yesterday.  I'm patient.
my exercise is going to drop since the golf courses closed.
my Bud Fat intake should drop as well, but..... it's too early to call
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 10, 2020, 05:34:28 PM
Damn shame, because Bernie would've won in 2016. The Democrats were running against one of the most unlikeable people ever in Trump. 
Pelosi and Hillary say hello
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 10, 2020, 05:36:12 PM
my Bud Fat intake should drop as well, but..... it's too early to call
After CFB season as 94 does.Oh and you can always cross country ski
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 10, 2020, 05:38:15 PM
In other news, since I had the China Virus back in March and then recovered, I went on a weight loss mission.

Not a diet, a lifestyle change. I still eat what I like and drink (too much). It's about when and why you eat. Pretty cool.

I started April 8.

Hit the 40 pound mark today.

Gonna go for another 30 still. Should be done by April.
Congrats my friend!

Here in the USA one of our biggest enemies is portion control.  And eating way too quickly, which is related.

Keep it up!
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 05:41:06 PM
Pelosi and Hillary say hello
Yeah, that was my very next line in that same post you quoted lol- that DNC just so happened to rig their primary in order to astonishingly run one of the few people that is actually more unlikeable than Trump.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 10, 2020, 05:42:06 PM
Ok. Done with politics. I keep wanting to reply, with links, but this isn't the damn place.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 05:43:19 PM
Ok. Done with politics. I keep wanting to reply, with links, but this isn't the damn place.
I'll do it for you. The only link you need to read right here: 

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-reject-the-trumprussia-conspiracy-theories-he-obliterated-them/ (https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-reject-the-trumprussia-conspiracy-theories-he-obliterated-them/)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 10, 2020, 05:43:58 PM
nice work

I should do something like that.  but it seems uncomfortable

I'm doing some fasting to see if I get results.  Started yesterday.  I'm patient.
my exercise is going to drop since the golf courses closed.
my Bud Fat intake should drop as well, but..... it's too early to call

It's not that hard really.

My BCBS insurance sent it to me, through my wife's former employer (Baxter), who we still get our insurance through. Obviously they were watching the results of my physical... Big brother. Heh.


https://www.naturallyslim.com/home

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 10, 2020, 05:45:32 PM
Also she said that was a key role in her defeat.Did the CIA/FBI confirm that?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/02/09/did-hillary-clinton-collude-with-the-russians-to-get-dirt-on-trump-to-feed-it-to-the-fbi/
We can keep going all night there was so much crap from both sides coming out it really hard to believe any of them
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 10, 2020, 05:58:40 PM
Yeah I didn't respond because I didn't want to get into it- and I was trying to heed your warnings of no more political talk- but his post was pretty naive- at best.
1) I'm not deleting any political talk on this thread or really anywhere other than the Corona thread.  But I don't speak for the ownership of this site, if they want to shut this down, they can, will, and should.  And I'm absolutely serious when I tell you (and others) to knock it off on the Corona thread.  That thread has value to the users of this message board, and protecting it is something the owners/investors of this site have explicitly told me they support.  But it's not personal, I promise you that much.

2) I don't consider bwar's post naive at all.  He's consistently among the most well-reasoned and thoughtful posters on this site.  I do think his take and his response are a little one-sided, as it doesn't represent what average rank and file Americans were hearing on a regular basis from their Democrat friends and from the media that fuels the talk of those people.  I also think bwar was quick to dismiss these people as "the worst" of that group, when from my experience it was pretty much the average-- smart, educated, passionate people, that desperately wanted to believe that an asshole blowhard like Trump stole the election using all nefarious means available.

That wasn't true, at least not in the way they insisted it was.

But being honest and critical, over the past 3.8 years Trump has certainly resorted to other nefarious means to achieve his objectives, and it wouldn't be out of character for him to hatch some super-devious plot, rather than just let the DNC eat itself up and have the Russians expose it, which is mostly what appeared to have happened.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 06:04:22 PM
But being honest and critical, over the past 3.8 years Trump has certainly resorted to other nefarious means to achieve his objectives, and it wouldn't be out of character for him to hatch some super-devious plot, rather than just let the DNC eat itself up and have the Russians expose it, which is mostly what appeared to have happened.
He's definitely not stupid- can't stand when people try to say that- he clearly has some intelligence to him- or he wouldn't be where he's at. His brothers inherited millions and millions just like he did- and none went on to be world famous real estate developers, tv stars, or the president of the freaking US. He's definitely smart- and he definitely knows how to talk a great game.

The truth is- he just isn't competent enough to hatch some super-devious plot. He's an egomaniac, world class bullshit artist. But it kinda, sorta ends there.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 10, 2020, 06:11:55 PM
Anyone that believes Trump is stupid, is playing right into his hands.  He's 100% fine with being underestimated, it's one of his key negotiating advantages.  And to Trump, absolutely everything is a negotiation.

He's an incredible asshole, he's unbelievably self-interested and self-absorbed, and he plays fast and loose with laws, rules, morality, ethics, loyalties... but stupid is something he certainly is not.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 10, 2020, 06:14:04 PM
After CFB season as 94 does.Oh and you can always cross country ski
2 -3 inches of snow here today
sending it your way
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 10, 2020, 06:15:19 PM
Anyone that believes Trump is stupid, is playing right into his hands.  He's 100% fine with being underestimated, it's one of his key negotiating advantages.  And to Trump, absolutely everything is a negotiation.

He's an incredible asshole, he's unbelievably self-interested and self-absorbed, and he plays fast and loose with laws, rules, morality, ethics, loyalties... but stupid is something he certainly is not.


perhaps, but he's stupid enough to lose an election because he can't control his mouth or his twitter account
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 10, 2020, 06:16:33 PM
I'll do it for you. The only link you need to read right here:

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-reject-the-trumprussia-conspiracy-theories-he-obliterated-them/ (https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-reject-the-trumprussia-conspiracy-theories-he-obliterated-them/)
Mueller makes clear, for instance, that the Trump campaign not only knew that Russia was interested in helping it win the election but was happy to have that help. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 10, 2020, 06:24:45 PM
I could stand to follow Badge's lead and lose some weight.

The COVID lockdowns didn't help me much. Normally you'd think that would give me tons of extra time to walk, hike, etc. But we got the puppy, and his early months he was NOT on board with walks. And I didn't want to put him in his crate to go take walks of my own, so I spent a couple months doing absolutely nothing. And of course with stress and everything, there was more eating and drinking going on than normal.

Starting to get better... The puppy now wants demands a walk first thing in the morning so we're typically going 2 miles every morning, and sometimes more. With the golf, I'm getting some range time and when I play a course I walk the course, so that's a little more. I feel like things are starting to get back, and I'm probably back to my pre-COVID weight. 

But I could really stand to lose another 20-25 lbs. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 10, 2020, 07:05:07 PM
perhaps, but he's stupid enough to lose an election because he can't control his mouth or his twitter account
Losing the election by around 3% in the popular vote wasn't a result of his twitter or his mouth, it's because he's an insufferable asshole and a few people decided they'd had enough.

And arguably it was his mouth that WON him the election 4 years ago.

Let's not pretend that he suffered some massive landslide defeat, we're talking about 3%.  Sure, a lot more people voted against him in 2020, but a lot more people voted FOR him as well.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 10, 2020, 07:20:32 PM
his twitter and his mouth, reveal that he's an insufferable asshole
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 10, 2020, 07:23:17 PM
2 -3 inches of snow here today
sending it your way
Keep the snow send the Bud,I mean if that's all ya got
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 10, 2020, 07:29:18 PM
his twitter and his mouth, reveal that he's an insufferable asshole
And yet he GAINED votes from 2016 to 2020.

His twitter is irrelevant, the people that voted against him didn't vote because of twitter-- but some of the people that voted FOR him might have.

Edit: Don't get me wrong, I can't stand his arrogant, annoying, tone-deaf, condescending tweets.  I'll be delighted NOT to have to read about them on a daily basis.

But his twitter rantings are one of the reasons his support base followed him.  I don't believe he lost votes because of it.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 10, 2020, 07:33:18 PM
Keep the snow send the Bud,I mean if that's all ya got

Snow in November?  I thought that was a January thing.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 10, 2020, 07:50:03 PM
we had more snow in October than today

football weather
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 10, 2020, 08:06:35 PM
And yet he GAINED votes from 2016 to 2020.

This speaks less a plus for Trump and more a negative on the populace.  
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 08:11:05 PM
This speaks less a plus for Trump and more a negative on the populace. 
Lol. Typical blame the voters bs...and not blame the DNC for putting forth yet another horrible, corrupt candidate. A legit candidate would've beat Trump in a landslide.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 10, 2020, 08:13:09 PM
He's definitely not stupid- can't stand when people try to say that- he clearly has some intelligence to him- or he wouldn't be where he's at. His brothers inherited millions and millions just like he did- and none went on to be world famous real estate developers, tv stars, or the president of the freaking US.   This pre-supposes that being famous is linked to intelligence.  It also suggests a smart person should want to be a TV star or the president.


 He's definitely smart- and he definitely knows how to talk a great game.
Being a bully who refuses to acknowledge reality isn't "smart."  It may be effective in some walks of life or while dealing with some people, but he's not smart in any conventional sense of the word.  He doesn't read, isn't interested in truth, and wouldn't beat a 4th grader in a game of chess.  
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 08:13:46 PM
perhaps, but he's stupid enough to lose an election because he can't control his mouth or his twitter account
Again- that doesn't have to do with intelligence- that has everything to to with EGO and pettiness. You're talking about maybe the most arrogant, egotistical person in the world. He literally cannot help himself.

And the twitter spats and his mouth didn't lose him an election. A global health crisis emanating from China which cratered the US economy and left 200,000+ dead lost him the election. COVID never happens- Trump would've crushed Biden in a landslide.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 10, 2020, 08:14:17 PM
Lol. Typical blame the voters bs...and not blame the DNC for putting forth yet another horrible, corrupt candidate. A legit candidate would've beat Trump in a landslide.
As if you'd grant any Dem candidate "legit".
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 08:16:40 PM
Mueller makes clear, for instance, that the Trump campaign not only knew that Russia was interested in helping it win the election but was happy to have that help.
LOL. I'm glad you got that one little excerpt from that long ass article written by one of the only true journalists in the entire world- which completely blew up Russia hoax to smithereens. So you read that one sentence and didn't read anything else I take it? 

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 10, 2020, 08:18:14 PM
Again- that doesn't have to do with intelligence- that has everything to to with EGO and pettiness. You're talking about maybe the most arrogant, egotistical person in the world. He literally cannot help himself.

And the twitter spats and his mouth didn't lose him an election. A global health crisis emanating from China which cratered the US economy and left 200,000+ dead lost him the election. COVID never happens- Trump would've crushed Biden in a landslide.
I consider someone that can't control his ego and arrogance to the point of failure as stupid, but it really doesn't matter.
He lost to a slug like Biden of his own doing.  He has only himself to blame.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 08:19:33 PM
As if you'd grant any Dem candidate "legit".
They had a couple of them. Tulsi would've wiped the floor with Trump imo. 

And DNC co-ordinated to torpedo Bernie- wasn't an all-out rigging like 2016- but it was still some very shady shit nonetheless.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 08:23:03 PM
I consider someone that can't control his ego and arrogance to the point of failure as stupid, but it really doesn't matter.
He lost to a slug like Biden of his own doing.  He has only himself to blame.
In a way sure- but that pettiness and giant ego has also in part made him the success that he is. Trump has such an ego- my guess is he is going to run again in 2024. He is not going away in the night with grace.

Biden better push forth a progressive agenda and really change things in this country if he wants to win re-election. Judging by the names bandied about in his transition team and a potential cabinet- fat chance that happens. Looks like it'll be the same old cast of goons with some awful republicans thrown in and nothing will really change. And when more people are hurting financially and the status quo remains- Biden will be in real danger of losing 2024.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 10, 2020, 08:27:12 PM
They had a couple of them. Tulsi would've wiped the floor with Trump imo.

And DNC co-ordinated to torpedo Bernie- wasn't an all-out rigging like 2016- but it was still some very shady shit nonetheless.
Gabbard is a pro-choice Republican.  You know this.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 10, 2020, 08:27:47 PM
LOL. I'm glad you got that one little excerpt from that long ass article written by one of the only true journalists in the entire world- which completely blew up Russia hoax to smithereens. So you read that one sentence and didn't read anything else I take it?


It's consistent with literally everything. Russia wanted and did try to influence the election to help Trump. He didn't mind, but there wasn't any sort of criminal collusion. That's the Mueller report. There was no hoax. It was real. In fact, the saddest part about it is we know beyond all doubt that foreign countries use social media as a propaganda effort to influence elections, but people would rather close their eyes and cry hoax instead of just living in reality.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 08:32:44 PM
And arguably it was his mouth that WON him the election 4 years ago.
This is exactly what won him the election. He shit all over the establishment GOP and Dems and hammered them all to bits. And the people of this country who are sick and tired of corrupt establishment politicians- loved it.

He ether'd Hilary in the debates in two instances. When the moderator brought up the "grab her by the p***" audio tape and Trump flipped it on Hillary by bringing 6 of the MANY Bill Clinton sexual assault accusers and sitting them in the front row and Trump said "what I said was words, I'm not proud, it was locker-room talk, Bill has said worse to me on the golf course, and Bill, but what Bill Clinton did was actions, actions are worse!" He flipped a grotesque negative against him and punted it to Hillary and put all that huge negative on her. Something that should've hurt him- didn't- and it actually might've hurt Hillary- because a lot of people question why she would stick by someone that is a flat out known sexual predator like Bill Clinton.

And then when Hillary said "it's a good thing someone with your temperament isn't President" and Trump goes, "yeah, cause you'd be in jail." He destroyed her right then and there, and it was all over.

And then his final political ad was a stroke of fake populist genius. He kept promising to "drain the swamp" bring manufacturing back, etc., etc., etc... and everybody should've known it was fake populist bs- the dude is a billionaire and grew up rich- he has nothing in common with the common man- he shits on gold toilets and owns sky-scrappers for f***sake. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 08:36:02 PM
Gabbard is a pro-choice Republican.  You know this.
You are delusional. That's all I know. You need to stop getting your news from MSNBC/CNN aka CIA Propaganda/DNC State TV bud.

Yup, she's a republican alright, a pro-choice republican that's for medicare for all and ending the bullshit 7 wars and drone bombings. Imagine that. LOL.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 08:48:13 PM
It's consistent with literally everything. Russia wanted and did try to influence the election to help Trump. He didn't mind, but there wasn't any sort of criminal collusion. That's the Mueller report. There was no hoax. It was real. In fact, the saddest part about it is we know beyond all doubt that foreign countries use social media as a propaganda effort to influence elections, but people would rather close their eyes and cry hoax instead of just living in reality.
Dear Lord have mercy. You need help.

If you really think Russia spending $100,000 on some Facebook Ads had ANYTHING at all to do with Hillary Clinton- one of the most corrupt, unlikeable politicians in the HISTORY of this country- who hangs out with certifiable war criminals like Kissinger- who voted for the criminal, illegal Iraq war, pushed the Obama administration into the complete destruction of Libya & Syria- losing then you are the one not living in reality.

What Russia did was mf'ng CHILDS play. Like I said- our CIA actually RIGGED an election in Russia in the '90s. Not did a couple of social media ads and memes. Like actually had people on the ground in the country- actively working with Yeltsin and his security state goons to get him re-elected and steal an election.

It is a hoax. It didn't influence or affect jackshit. It is PATHETIC that people even say that. And the rest of the world LAUGHED their asses off at the dumb people in this country who claimed Russia "interfered" with US elections. And the US doesn't run social media ads in other countries. We flat out rig elections and topple governments. Google Timber Sycamore Syria. Google Russian 1996 election. Google Bolivia. Google Venezuela Juan Guaido CIA. THAT'S A HELL OF A LOT MORE THAN $100,000 WORTH OF FACEBOOK ADS.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 10, 2020, 09:02:01 PM
To put it in caps land. It HAPPENED. To think it didn't happen you have to be STUPID. To think it isn't happening now you have to be BLIND. It doesn't mean the election was rigged. It means our population is willfully IGNORANT. Electing IDIOTS was Russia's goal, and it was SUCCESSFUL, which means they will keep TRYING.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 10, 2020, 09:20:42 PM
To put it in caps land. It HAPPENED. To think it didn't happen you have to be STUPID. To think it isn't happening now you have to be BLIND. It doesn't mean the election was rigged. It means our population is willfully IGNORANT. Electing IDIOTS was Russia's goal, and it was SUCCESSFUL, which means they will keep TRYING.
LMAO. This is hilarious. You've bought hook line and sinker into this boogeyman DNC bullshit.

Do you HONESTLY THINK $100,000 in Facebook Ads titled the 2016 election. If you do- you are naive. As hell. It had a negligible affect at best.

Trump is many things, but he isn't an idiot. And if Russia was trying to "interfere" with the election- BIG LOL- it's goal would be not to help Trump, but to hurt Hillary. Why? Hillary is a war-hawk who was openly talking about expanding NATO and going to war with Russia before she ever ran for President. Gee, I wonder why they wouldn't want that? LOL.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 10, 2020, 09:23:37 PM
I consider someone that can't control his ego and arrogance to the point of failure as stupid, but it really doesn't matter.
He lost to a slug like Biden of his own doing.  He has only himself to blame.

This is entirely true.  Live by the sword, die by the sword, as they say.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 10, 2020, 09:24:33 PM
I could stand to follow Badge's lead and lose some weight.

The COVID lockdowns didn't help me much. Normally you'd think that would give me tons of extra time to walk, hike, etc. But we got the puppy, and his early months he was NOT on board with walks. And I didn't want to put him in his crate to go take walks of my own, so I spent a couple months doing absolutely nothing. And of course with stress and everything, there was more eating and drinking going on than normal.

Starting to get better... The puppy now wants demands a walk first thing in the morning so we're typically going 2 miles every morning, and sometimes more. With the golf, I'm getting some range time and when I play a course I walk the course, so that's a little more. I feel like things are starting to get back, and I'm probably back to my pre-COVID weight.

But I could really stand to lose another 20-25 lbs.
Good luck, my friend.

I'm in a weird spot. I got a little bit bigger muscle-wise at my last job because of free gym membership. My new job had a gym, but less stuff, so less heavy weight. I think I lost a little weight with that, then I started running, which knocked down the weight a little more. 

Then the pandemic started. On the one hand, I've been good at running every other day and doing an abbreviated lift session on the off days (only so much one can do with limited gear and body weight), plus a long walk. It means my feet have been giving me issues. Sleep issues have also meant my running performance has dipped, which sucks. I'm a little worried I'm snacking too much. Have a sweet tooth I've been indulging too much. 

Your post inspired me to get on the scale (I don't believe in them for the most part), up 7-8 pounds, I think from the last time I looked I don't know how good or bad that is. Wish there was an easy body fat percentage test that was reliable. That's such a better number. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 10, 2020, 09:30:17 PM
Well let's be clear who you're talking about when you say "The Democrats" in the above.  Are you talking about the DNC?  Hillary herself?  Or just people that vote Democrat?  Or people in the media that choose to report things in... how should I say it... a "Democrat-slanted manner?"

Because I know quite a few people that voted for Hillary, and who didn't understand exactly what was done with respect to Russian influence, and who most assuredly stated outright that Trump and the RNC and the Russians rigged the election.  And there were also, most certainly, some... "Democrat-slanted media members"... who reported it that way as well.

They might have meant something else, but that's not what they said-- they said it was rigged, and further they were certain that there was conclusive proof that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians. 

I'm not disagreeing with the spirit of what you're saying, but since I agree with you that words mean something, I think it's important to be clear about who and what we're talking about.

So I think we all know someone somewhere, and can find someone who should've known better who said something bombastic about politics. And many people misused the word "rigged" because it's just the nature of us to sometimes act like morons.

But we don't have to. 

It's hard to resist catnip like the kind MDot threw out and then pretended wasn't political, and now we're four more pages mostly of bickering. Fortunately we mostly seem to not be talking about if it was or wasn't "rigged" in a strict sense of the word, and that's probably good.

Anyway, somewhere someone is saying something that will piss you off. It's the nature of the world. Best to ignore those who don't matter and deal with the people actually in your life as makes sense. (And maybe please not start s--- to start s--- on the board. This part not directed at you Tee)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 10, 2020, 10:08:41 PM
I will say- I am pretty pleased with how things turned out. 

First- no more stupid commercials!

second- I left my Prez ballot empty as promised, but picked all winners down ballot- and those selections were important to me.  

Third- diarrhea mouth is out, and he can only blame himself

Fourth- those with the policy ideas I find repulsive gained no power in the house and senate.

My word of caution is- despite the President Elect calling for unity, which I applaud- I feel a high level of certainty things will get far worse. 
There are 71million people who have 4 years of rage built up for how they have been treated by the left and the media.  They are never going to forget the last election and how it was disputed, and the endless hypocrisy and hate directed at them. ( not at POTUS-at them) from the day after election and through today.  In fact- they see it has escalated now that their candidate won.  They see the talking heads talking about making Trump supporters “ pay” and making lists and still calling then every “ism” that exists.

There will be no unity- because there wasn’t in 16-20. 

84% of Americans don’t trust the media. 78% of Republicans do not feel this election was legit- specifically due to ballot harvesting.  Congress has an approval rating lower ( about half) of Trumps. 

Sadly- this is a recipe for more division. 

Not sure what can fix this. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 10, 2020, 11:12:44 PM
Forcing social media companies to take their algorithms and throw them in the trash can would fix this. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 10, 2020, 11:15:19 PM
LMAO. This is hilarious. You've bought hook line and sinker into this boogeyman DNC bullshit.

Do you HONESTLY THINK $100,000 in Facebook Ads titled the 2016 election. If you do- you are naive. As hell. It had a negligible affect at best.

You seem to think people are people.  They're not.  They're sheep.  
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 10, 2020, 11:21:55 PM
My word of caution is- despite the President Elect calling for unity, which I applaud- I feel a high level of certainty things will get far worse. 
There are 71million people who have 4 years of rage built up for how they have been treated by the left and the media.  They are never going to forget the last election and how it was disputed, and the endless hypocrisy and hate directed at them. ( not at POTUS-at them) from the day after election and through today.  In fact- they see it has escalated now that their candidate won.  They see the talking heads talking about making Trump supporters “ pay” and making lists and still calling then every “ism” that exists.

There will be no unity- because there wasn’t in 16-20. 

84% of Americans don’t trust the media. 78% of Republicans do not feel this election was legit- specifically due to ballot harvesting.  Congress has an approval rating lower ( about half) of Trumps. 

Sadly- this is a recipe for more division. 

Not sure what can fix this. 

The answer is someone somewhere putting aside rage, maybe turning the other cheek and being nice to one another, even if someone isn't nice to you.

It's a bitch to pull off, especially without personal interaction, and its arguably a hinderance to acquiring power.

Shoot, the past four years started with a deep simmering well of rage. Rage built when that 71 wasn't winning, then it built more when it was winning and now we forecast it builds more in defeat. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 10, 2020, 11:40:01 PM
Your post inspired me to get on the scale (I don't believe in them for the most part), up 7-8 pounds, I think from the last time I looked I don't know how good or bad that is. Wish there was an easy body fat percentage test that was reliable. That's such a better number.
Ah,another rigging or miscount
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 10, 2020, 11:48:04 PM
Ah,another rigging or miscount
I mean, I used to lift weights 4 times a week. If I stopped, I'd lose weight, but that wouldn't be super. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 11, 2020, 12:07:19 AM
The answer is someone somewhere putting aside rage, maybe turning the other cheek and being nice to one another, even if someone isn't nice to you.

It's a bitch to pull off, especially without personal interaction, and its arguably a hinderance to acquiring power.

Shoot, the past four years started with a deep simmering well of rage. Rage built when that 71 wasn't winning, then it built more when it was winning and now we forecast it builds more in defeat.
No you were missing it. I really don’t think it has anything to do with defeat.

The original victory came because how those people were being treated. Deplorable‘s and all. And now those people who say those things, and unfortunately they are the ones with the microphones, are turning up the volume instead of turning it down.  I could see unity if that wasn’t happening but the left seems to want their pound of flesh and it will absolutely and certainly backfire on them politically and in other ways

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 11, 2020, 03:49:36 AM
Elections commercials here have increased, not stopped.  I thought I moved from a BG state to a nonBG state, heh.

I only notice when the wife turns on the local news, so that's good.

I'm up early this morning, again.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2020, 07:08:32 AM
Good luck, my friend.

I'm in a weird spot. I got a little bit bigger muscle-wise at my last job because of free gym membership. My new job had a gym, but less stuff, so less heavy weight. I think I lost a little weight with that, then I started running, which knocked down the weight a little more.

Then the pandemic started. On the one hand, I've been good at running every other day and doing an abbreviated lift session on the off days (only so much one can do with limited gear and body weight), plus a long walk. It means my feet have been giving me issues. Sleep issues have also meant my running performance has dipped, which sucks. I'm a little worried I'm snacking too much. Have a sweet tooth I've been indulging too much.

Your post inspired me to get on the scale (I don't believe in them for the most part), up 7-8 pounds, I think from the last time I looked I don't know how good or bad that is. Wish there was an easy body fat percentage test that was reliable. That's such a better number.
I do think anxiety is a huge problem right now. It's got me too. Trouble sleeping, too much booze, etc.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2020, 07:13:39 AM
I will say- I am pretty pleased with how things turned out. 

First- no more stupid commercials!

second- I left my Prez ballot empty as promised, but picked all winners down ballot- and those selections were important to me. 

Third- diarrhea mouth is out, and he can only blame himself

Fourth- those with the policy ideas I find repulsive gained no power in the house and senate.

My word of caution is- despite the President Elect calling for unity, which I applaud- I feel a high level of certainty things will get far worse. 
There are 71million people who have 4 years of rage built up for how they have been treated by the left and the media.  They are never going to forget the last election and how it was disputed, and the endless hypocrisy and hate directed at them. ( not at POTUS-at them) from the day after election and through today.  In fact- they see it has escalated now that their candidate won.  They see the talking heads talking about making Trump supporters “ pay” and making lists and still calling then every “ism” that exists.

There will be no unity- because there wasn’t in 16-20. 

84% of Americans don’t trust the media. 78% of Republicans do not feel this election was legit- specifically due to ballot harvesting.  Congress has an approval rating lower ( about half) of Trumps. 

Sadly- this is a recipe for more division. 

Not sure what can fix this. 

I am not. I'm not a fan of DJT, but the newly elected "VP" will not be a good president for so many many reasons.

The rest of your post I agree with, except that the divisiveness started in 2008.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 11, 2020, 07:32:22 AM
There has never been a ton of unity.  Just look at the electoral history of black people in the south if you want to see history of widespread fraud.  Though perhaps a newish problem is the sort of gamesmanship unrelated to governance about the election. Trump declared victory and then has tried various theories on why that was the case, none particularly based in evidence.  It would be sad for our democracy if the new normal would be to declare every election fraudulent.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2020, 07:38:32 AM
I think (??) we are the only country that allows for other than in-person voting. That needs to stop. If you want to vote, show up and show your ID.

Dead people voted in Nevada, and I'm sure in many other places. Mayor Daley voted in Chicago, 14 times.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2020, 07:39:07 AM
In other news, I'm going to be a grandpa. 

Holy shit.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 11, 2020, 07:40:04 AM
In other news, I'm going to be a grandpa.

Holy shit.
Congrats gramps!
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 11, 2020, 07:41:12 AM
I think (??) we are the only country that allows for other than in-person voting. That needs to stop. If you want to vote, show up and show your ID.

Dead people voted in Nevada, and I'm sure in many other places. Mayor Daley voted in Chicago, 14 times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_voting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_voting)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 11, 2020, 07:45:33 AM
In other news, I'm going to be a grandpa.

Holy shit.
So cool!  Congratulations!   We might have to come up with a new nickname for you lol.  
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 11, 2020, 07:47:10 AM
In other news, I'm going to be a grandpa.

Holy shit.
Oh HELL YES! Congrats!!
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 11, 2020, 07:55:10 AM
No you were missing it. I really don’t think it has anything to do with defeat.

The original victory came because how those people were being treated. Deplorable‘s and all. And now those people who say those things, and unfortunately they are the ones with the microphones, are turning up the volume instead of turning it down.  I could see unity if that wasn’t happening but the left seems to want their pound of flesh and it will absolutely and certainly backfire on them politically and in other ways


Explain to me what I'm missing.

I said that rage was there beyond four years ago, and you agreed. And you said it will continue after this, so we have that. It wasn't a four-year build, it was longer than that. 

And the beauty of it is many loud voices in that 71 million, they said plenty that was going to create rage in the 76 million. We're phenomenally good at pissing each other off. And if the answer is, "well they need to stop first" then we've abdicated all responsibility in our own actions. As I said, someone, somewhere needs to set aside the worries about "those people who say those things" is just a mirror image of each other by and large. Once someone tries that, perhaps we can take steps toward some level of unity.

(Sometimes the best answer is not to talk about that particular subject at all)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 11, 2020, 07:56:32 AM
In other news, I'm going to be a grandpa.

Holy shit.
CHEERS!!!


(https://i.imgur.com/pTcL8kY.png)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 11, 2020, 07:57:57 AM
I think (??) we are the only country that allows for other than in-person voting. That needs to stop. If you want to vote, show up and show your ID.

Dead people voted in Nevada, and I'm sure in many other places. Mayor Daley voted in Chicago, 14 times.
I mean, if you live in a place for 14 years, that should be relatively easy. 

(The strangest thing about the dead voting is in the modern context, it should be phenomenally easy to prove, and for the most part hasn't been, except for that guy in Pennsylvania)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2020, 08:45:46 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_voting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_voting)
I still say it needs to stop. Show up, and show ID. It's the only way to be sure.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 11, 2020, 08:46:23 AM
Explain to me what I'm missing.

I said that rage was there beyond four years ago, and you agreed. And you said it will continue after this, so we have that. It wasn't a four-year build, it was longer than that.

And the beauty of it is many loud voices in that 71 million, they said plenty that was going to create rage in the 76 million. We're phenomenally good at pissing each other off. And if the answer is, "well they need to stop first" then we've abdicated all responsibility in our own actions. As I said, someone, somewhere needs to set aside the worries about "those people who say those things" is just a mirror image of each other by and large. Once someone tries that, perhaps we can take steps toward some level of unity.

(Sometimes the best answer is not to talk about that particular subject at all)

Your missing or are in denial about what is right in front of your face.

I am not talking about individual people like you and me. I am talking about the people with the microphones.

why do I have to see clips of Hollywood elites, current elected officials, and news anchors saying that those that voted with Trump are despicable human beings, racist, deplorable, and on and on and on, and need to pay. Why are they talking about assembly lists of business owners or staffers from the administration to make sure they don’t get employment? This is just the tip of the iceberg and it is coming from one side and one side only. Please stop pretending that it is not. Saying that you disagree with another side is one thing but actually trying to convince the world that 1/2 of our population are racist, repulsive pigs, is coming from one side.
so what you are saying as I understand it is that it’s not incumbent upon the side that’s saying all of those things to stop saying them but rather it’s incumbent on the receiving people to just turn the other cheek?

If this election taught us anything it should be that the personality of our president was rejected but the policies in many cases that he stands for were not. Americans seem to want moderation. Yet the left is still babbling about what despicable human beings those on the right are. Do I need to attach 50 video clips in the last 24 hours to prove my point?

Maybe what we should do is turn our cheeks to each other. If you can’t acknowledge the rancor of personal attacks on voters coming from ONE side- your living under a rock. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 11, 2020, 08:47:53 AM
I still say it needs to stop. Show up, and show ID. It's the only way to be sure.
It's not the only way to be sure, which is why almost no other business operates that way. People are doing all sorts of things without showing up in person.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 11, 2020, 08:51:30 AM
I still say it needs to stop. Show up, and show ID. It's the only way to be sure.
Wow I totally agree with you the reality is this will likely never happen. The barn door has been opened.

you have to give the Democratic Party some credit here. They mastered the art of ballot harvesting back in the 2018 congressional races. In this election they focused so much time on major cities in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia.
remember what ballot harvesting is. It is mailing out ballots, unsolicited, to millions of voters and then paying a third-party firm to go out and collect them. Whether or not they were actually legitimate ballots is no longer detectable once those ballots are mixed in with the other ballots.

They say that it’s pretty clear that Trump received more in person votes, by a wide wide margin, then any presidential candidate in the history of our country. Just think about that for a minute.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 11, 2020, 09:17:02 AM
We did not get mailed out ballots in Georgia.  They did make getting an absentee ballot easier.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 11, 2020, 09:44:27 AM
Wow I totally agree with you the reality is this will likely never happen. The barn door has been opened.

you have to give the Democratic Party some credit here. They mastered the art of ballot harvesting back in the 2018 congressional races. In this election they focused so much time on major cities in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia.
remember what ballot harvesting is. It is mailing out ballots, unsolicited, to millions of voters and then paying a third-party firm to go out and collect them. Whether or not they were actually legitimate ballots is no longer detectable once those ballots are mixed in with the other ballots.

They say that it’s pretty clear that Trump received more in person votes, by a wide wide margin, then any presidential candidate in the history of our country. Just think about that for a minute.
Biden received more votes than anyone in history. Quite the feat.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: ELA on November 11, 2020, 09:48:43 AM
In other news, I'm going to be a grandpa.

Holy shit.
Cheers old man!
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2020, 09:51:28 AM
Thanks all. It has to sink in yet. I'm 53.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 11, 2020, 10:04:01 AM
Your missing or are in denial about what is right in front of your face.

I am not talking about individual people like you and me. I am talking about the people with the microphones.

why do I have to see clips of Hollywood elites, current elected officials, and news anchors saying that those that voted with Trump are despicable human beings, racist, deplorable, and on and on and on, and need to pay. Why are they talking about assembly lists of business owners or staffers from the administration to make sure they don’t get employment? This is just the tip of the iceberg and it is coming from one side and one side only. Please stop pretending that it is not. Saying that you disagree with another side is one thing but actually trying to convince the world that 1/2 of our population are racist, repulsive pigs, is coming from one side.
so what you are saying as I understand it is that it’s not incumbent upon the side that’s saying all of those things to stop saying them but rather it’s incumbent on the receiving people to just turn the other cheek?

If this election taught us anything it should be that the personality of our president was rejected but the policies in many cases that he stands for were not. Americans seem to want moderation. Yet the left is still babbling about what despicable human beings those on the right are. Do I need to attach 50 video clips in the last 24 hours to prove my point?

Maybe what we should do is turn our cheeks to each other. If you can’t acknowledge the rancor of personal attacks on voters coming from ONE side- your living under a rock.
Ahhh, so now we get to the crux of the matter. 

I can fully acknowledge that the side you are referring to says many things that trigger rage. But I can also scrape together all the clips so show that the side you described as having four years of built up rage has given plenty in the way of attacks and gross clips. I hope you too can acknowledge that. 

If you can't, you're correct that unity is impossible. It's going to take one side or the other acting like the bigger person, putting aside rage, hurt and insults and being ... dare I say, nice. 

The left probably won't do it, and the right it seems certianly won't do it, in part because maintaining that hard edge seems more advantageous to holding power and influence. And unfortunately also in part because there's something in our lizard brains that seems to want very much to be put upon and feel bad about the world. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 11, 2020, 10:07:29 AM
The Popeye's spicy chicken sandwich is delicious. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 11, 2020, 10:09:35 AM
Wow I totally agree with you the reality is this will likely never happen. The barn door has been opened.

you have to give the Democratic Party some credit here. They mastered the art of ballot harvesting back in the 2018 congressional races. In this election they focused so much time on major cities in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia.
remember what ballot harvesting is. It is mailing out ballots, unsolicited, to millions of voters and then paying a third-party firm to go out and collect them. Whether or not they were actually legitimate ballots is no longer detectable once those ballots are mixed in with the other ballots.

They say that it’s pretty clear that Trump received more in person votes, by a wide wide margin, then any presidential candidate in the history of our country. Just think about that for a minute.
It turns out they mastered it in the saddest way we've ever seen. If you can cheat rampantly and not take the senate or add to the advantage in the house, cheating is either highly ineffective or being done anything but masterfully. 

Who says that last part?
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Post by: MaximumSam on November 11, 2020, 10:09:41 AM
The Popeye's spicy chicken sandwich is delicious.
I got one a couple months ago and thought it was...fine. Seemed pretty average to me, I dunno. It's not like I'm expecting earth shattering food in fast food sandwiches, but I'm not sure I could tell it apart from any other one.
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Post by: bayareabadger on November 11, 2020, 10:10:16 AM
The Popeye's spicy chicken sandwich is delicious.
Is it. I only eat Popeyes on tight airport layovers, usually in Atlanta. The level of crispy breading they have is always absurd. 
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Post by: utee94 on November 11, 2020, 10:10:50 AM
The Popeye's spicy chicken sandwich is delicious.
It's pretty good, but the "spicy" is only in the mayo, and I don't love mayo on a sandwich.

I wish they'd included the spice in the batter itself, like they do for their standard bone-in chicken pieces.  I think THAT would have made for a really great sandwich.

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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2020, 10:27:10 AM
I don't get the thing about putting breaded/battered chicken between bread.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 11, 2020, 10:27:47 AM
If 71 million people have been pissy the last 4 years with their guy in the WH, then there's no appeasing them, lol.  Bitch when you lose, bitch when you win....why bother caring how they feel if it's always the same emotion?
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 11, 2020, 10:28:25 AM
I don't get the thing about putting breaded/battered chicken between bread.
I'll pray for you.
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 11, 2020, 10:35:19 AM
Ahhh, so now we get to the crux of the matter.

I can fully acknowledge that the side you are referring to says many things that trigger rage. But I can also scrape together all the clips so show that the side you described as having four years of built up rage has given plenty in the way of attacks and gross clips. I hope you too can acknowledge that.

If you can't, you're correct that unity is impossible. It's going to take one side or the other acting like the bigger person, putting aside rage, hurt and insults and being ... dare I say, nice.

The left probably won't do it, and the right it seems certianly won't do it, in part because maintaining that hard edge seems more advantageous to holding power and influence. And unfortunately also in part because there's something in our lizard brains that seems to want very much to be put upon and feel bad about the world.
Show me the clips of Hollywood elites calling people who voted for Biden racist, repulsive, disgusting, or threatening revenge against them. Show me that. Show me a news anchor at one of the main stream media saying that those people should feel threatened. Show me that. Show me I talk show host on a main stream Network saying that they want Trump supporters rounded up and locked up. I will save you some time. You won’t find that and yet I can show you plenty of that just in the last 24 hours. Please get real.
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Post by: bayareabadger on November 11, 2020, 10:35:51 AM
It's pretty good, but the "spicy" is only in the mayo, and I don't love mayo on a sandwich.

I wish they'd included the spice in the batter itself, like they do for their standard bone-in chicken pieces.  I think THAT would have made for a really great sandwich.


Bojangles does that, and on a biscuit
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 11, 2020, 10:37:40 AM
If 71 million people have been pissy the last 4 years with their guy in the WH, then there's no appeasing them, lol.  Bitch when you lose, bitch when you win....why bother caring how they feel if it's always the same emotion?
The right tends to be the side of optimism, the left side of doom and gloom. Never was that more evident than this recent election. 
again you’re missing the point. It has so little to do with who occupies the White House.  People on the right fear for their lives because of people on the left. The walk cancel culture, the violence against somebody wearing a Maga hat, or just endless. You would think that now the left has the White House they would stop but they have just turned up the volume.
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Post by: MaximumSam on November 11, 2020, 10:41:17 AM
We've gone from politics to drunk guy at the bar...
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 11, 2020, 10:44:19 AM
We've gone from politics to drunk guy at the bar...
Are you at the bar?
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 11, 2020, 10:49:34 AM
Bojangles does that, and on a biscuit
Bojangles' chicken is awful.  I've heard of grades of beef and being suspicious of who gets the worst of that, but it's like Bojangles gets the last pickings of the chicken available.  It's thin and tough every single time I've been there.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2020, 10:52:48 AM
I do miss Brown's Chicken from up North. Never was a Popeye's or KFC guy.

Best fried chicken I've ever had was at Puckett's in Nash Vegas.
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Post by: MaximumSam on November 11, 2020, 11:12:18 AM
Are you at the bar?
I wish.  But seriously, I enjoy hearing what people think about the various issues of the day.  But miss me with the Caddyshack style "are you for goodness or badness" style of discussion where we chop up the country in two groups and then assign them a morality rating.  I realize it's easy to do because of our party system lines up, but it ain't close to reality.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 11, 2020, 11:13:05 AM
I do miss Brown's Chicken from up North. Never was a Popeye's or KFC guy.

Best fried chicken I've ever had was at Puckett's in Nash Vegas.
I grew up on Brown's Chicken. Loved their deep fried mushrooms too.

Regarding a fried chicken sandwich, it's that fried chicken is delicious, but messy. Bread makes it easier to eat. 
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Post by: MaximumSam on November 11, 2020, 11:15:06 AM
When I was a kid my uncle would have big parties where they'd play bluegrass, play euchre, drink beer, and always someone would bring a bucket of fried chicken.  I remember that being the greatest thing, though can't say I get the same thrill these days.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2020, 11:15:46 AM
Yeah, those mushrooms are killer.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2020, 11:21:31 AM
Typing killer in reference to Brown's reminds of my former home town of Palatine. Damn.
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Post by: utee94 on November 11, 2020, 11:34:15 AM
Never heard of Bojangles or Brown's.  

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Post by: MaximumSam on November 11, 2020, 11:38:24 AM
I went to Gus' in Memphis. They forgot my fried green tomatoes. Can't remember the chicken
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 11, 2020, 11:41:35 AM
Never heard of Bojangles or Brown's. 


We have Bojangle's hereabouts.  I may have eaten at one once, maybe.  Hattie B's is the best I've found in Atlanta since Greenwood's closed.  Mary Mac's Tea Room has good friend chicken but they closed and have not yet reopened.  That place is a local icon kind of place.
Is fried chicken a sandwich?

It has breading on both sides ...
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 11, 2020, 11:42:27 AM
Got home from transferring the kids to their mom and as I got out of my car I hear snarling and screams. Neighbor pitbull was attacking my elderly neighbor's golden retriever. Rushed over to help separate them. Dog broke the skin of the golden and her owner, so this won't end well. 

Glad I was there, as I'm not sure they'd have gotten separated without myself and the pit's male owner working together. 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 11, 2020, 11:43:08 AM
Never heard of Bojangles or Brown's. 
Brown's, as far as I'm aware, is Chicago only. I believe Bojangles is spread throughout the south. 
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Post by: utee94 on November 11, 2020, 11:53:19 AM
We have Gus's here in the ATX, it's good.

I've heard good things about Hattie B's and it is supposed to open here eventually as well.  At least, that's what was announced before the coronas.  Who knows, now?

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Post by: Cincydawg on November 11, 2020, 12:00:24 PM
Hattie B's here usually has a long line waiting to order.  We try and hit it midafternoon if we go.  The wife loves it, and I think it's quite good.

They have almost no parking.
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Post by: GopherRock on November 11, 2020, 12:08:26 PM
There is always a line at the Chic-fil-a drive throughs here in the Twin Cities, and I don't get the appeal. Inevitably, the whole thing is a soggy mess that is lukewarm and doesn't taste like anything.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 11, 2020, 12:15:06 PM
Chick-Fil-A here usually has long double lines, but they get folks through quickly.  The wife likes it a lot, we don't go that often though.

I'm impressed with how well that provide customer service at CFA more than their actual food (which I think is decent).

The Varsity hereabouts is a mystery to me, it's pretty popular, but expensive and not that good.  The experience is interesting, once.
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Post by: utee94 on November 11, 2020, 12:22:03 PM
I love Chick fil A, their spicy sandwich is far superior to the other fast food options out there, largely because their spice is included in the batter.

The key to avoiding a soggy mess that's been under a heat lamp, is to order it without pickles.  Then they have to make it fresh.  Plus, I hate pickles, so win-win.

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Post by: MaximumSam on November 11, 2020, 12:24:21 PM
I love Chick fil A, their spicy sandwich is far superior to the other fast food options out there, largely because their spice is included in the batter.

The key to avoiding a soggy mess that's been under a heat lamp, is to order it without pickles.  Then they have to make it fresh.  Plus, I hate pickles, so win-win.


A chicken sandwich without pickles? Might as well eat a Styrofoam sandwich.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2020, 12:25:09 PM
I don't get Chick-Fil-A either. There is nothing special about it, at all.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 11, 2020, 12:25:37 PM
The Chick-fil-A spicy deluxe chicken sandwich is decent. Surprisingly I found it less satisfying than the Popeye's sandwich though, given how much people LOVE Chick-fil-A and how they've made their reputation on chicken sandwiches, whereas Popeye's makes their reputation on the chicken. 

The Chick-fil-A waffle fries are pretty solid though. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 11, 2020, 12:54:07 PM
I don't get Chick-Fil-A either. There is nothing special about it, at all.
They are very popular hereabouts.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 11, 2020, 12:56:53 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/5FD6mA3.png)
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 11, 2020, 01:20:01 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/jBf3INs.png)
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 11, 2020, 01:25:13 PM
The alkaline diet says no alcohol or caffeine. 

I'm out.
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Post by: utee94 on November 11, 2020, 01:26:40 PM
A chicken sandwich without pickles? Might as well eat a Styrofoam sandwich.
Pickles are disgusting, so, nope.
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Post by: utee94 on November 11, 2020, 01:28:09 PM
The Chick-fil-A spicy deluxe chicken sandwich is decent. Surprisingly I found it less satisfying than the Popeye's sandwich though, given how much people LOVE Chick-fil-A and how they've made their reputation on chicken sandwiches, whereas Popeye's makes their reputation on the chicken.

The Chick-fil-A waffle fries are pretty solid though.
Chick fil A is a spicy chicken sandwich.

Popeye's is a spicy mayo sandwich.  

So they're not really the same thing 'tall.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2020, 01:29:52 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/vtTtbIN.png)
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 11, 2020, 01:31:51 PM
If I have to eat fast food, Chick-Fil-A would be my preferred option, except for breakfast.

I really do avoid all chains of any ilk (beyond some places that have 3-4-5 outlets).  I liked Eddie Merlot's because I had a wine locker and could buy wine at retail.  I hate paying restaurant markups for wine.


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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 11, 2020, 01:36:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/vtTtbIN.png)
Annoyed. Yesterday I had to go drop off some samples at a customer site, right around lunchtime, and it just so happens that it put my right by a place with awesome Italian Beef sandwiches. It's a little place in a "food court" area that is only open M-F during daytime, as it caters to the office crowd. 

Well, there is no office crowd due to COVID, so they're closed. 

I was very disappointed. And hungry. Which is how I ended up in the Popeye's drive through to begin with.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 11, 2020, 01:39:42 PM
I still want to know if fried chicken can be, on its own, a sandwich.
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Post by: FearlessF on November 11, 2020, 01:40:35 PM
I don't go out for chicken sammiches, I don't make chicken sammiches at home.

But, I'm certainly going to the bar tonight for Wings Wednesday.  Gonna destroy a basket of hot wings!
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Post by: FearlessF on November 11, 2020, 01:41:22 PM
I still want to know if fried chicken can be, on its own, a sandwich.
hard NO

breading is not bread
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2020, 01:43:53 PM
Annoyed. Yesterday I had to go drop off some samples at a customer site, right around lunchtime, and it just so happens that it put my right by a place with awesome Italian Beef sandwiches. It's a little place in a "food court" area that is only open M-F during daytime, as it caters to the office crowd.

Well, there is no office crowd due to COVID, so they're closed.

I was very disappointed. And hungry. Which is how I ended up in the Popeye's drive through to begin with.
That sucks.

I'm going to make my own in a couple of weeks. The trick will be getting the bread. I have to find a good source here.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2020, 01:59:59 PM
Dinner tonight:

(https://i.imgur.com/73zvSgg.png)
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Post by: bayareabadger on November 11, 2020, 02:00:20 PM
That sucks.

I'm going to make my own in a couple of weeks. The trick will be getting the bread. I have to find a good source here.
Mmm, bread. Is that a particular sort of roll. I've only every had Italian beef from a short-lived truck in Madison, and it was great but I had no sense for the finer points. 

Weirdly some of the better bread I've gotten here in the sort that I use for most sandwiches is from the cheapest grocery store. It's not unreal, but highly serviceable. 
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Post by: bayareabadger on November 11, 2020, 02:01:05 PM
Dinner tonight:

(https://i.imgur.com/73zvSgg.png)
That photo is so nice, I can't tell if it's a restaurant or if you're skipping the middle man and just making the same food, but better. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2020, 02:05:35 PM
Picture is not mine, but I will be making my own tonight for sure. Fries too. Got the peanut oil today and the fryer is on the counter, ready to go.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 11, 2020, 02:17:11 PM
Saw a Yelp review for my local Italian Beef place... Girl was complaining about the soggy bread :smiley_confused1:
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2020, 02:20:58 PM
Stupid Cali girl!!
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Post by: FearlessF on November 11, 2020, 02:25:34 PM
I fried a burger last night at home

80/20 beef, sauteed red onion and green pepper, soy sauce.  Wisconsin smoked cheddar cheese.

no bun - no fries - no beer

had broccoli with plenty of butter as my side

drank water

trying to cut back, once in a while
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2020, 02:30:05 PM
I've got 80-20 too, from the local butcher. After TG, I will grind up a batch of my own.
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Post by: FearlessF on November 11, 2020, 02:42:50 PM
I use the cheap ($2.99 lb) pink slime from the local packing plant.

it doesn't suck

I won't be cutting back on Wings Wednesday........... cutting loose!

60 cent broasted wings with Grim Reaper sauce, broasted taters and $2.50 Budweisers.  About a dozen wings, a dozen taters, and a 12er of Bud!
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Post by: MaximumSam on November 11, 2020, 03:38:00 PM
Pickles are disgusting, so, nope.
I'm gonna make some fried chicken sandwiches later today. Currently have boneless thighs brining in pickle juice. Once they are fried and slathered in pickles and mayo...delicious!
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Post by: Mdot21 on November 11, 2020, 03:42:25 PM
I don't get Chick-Fil-A either. There is nothing special about it, at all.
I'm with you. It is probably the best fast food place there is though imo. Fast food in general is disgusting. Chic-Fil-A gets overhyped simply because it's pretty good and it's fast food. It isn't amazing or anything. It's just, pretty good.

There is this sandwich place in Ft. Laud called Henry's that has a fried chicken sandwich- now that is an amazing fried chicken sandwich.
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Post by: Mdot21 on November 11, 2020, 03:43:38 PM
A chicken sandwich without pickles? Might as well eat a Styrofoam sandwich.
this all day long. gotta have the pickles on a fried chicken sandwich. or cheeseburger. have to.
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Post by: utee94 on November 11, 2020, 04:07:37 PM
I'm gonna make some fried chicken sandwiches later today. Currently have boneless thighs brining in pickle juice. Once they are fried and slathered in pickles and mayo...delicious!
effing gross.  Your plan is bad and you should feel bad.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 12, 2020, 09:13:20 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/qvUFTaw.png)
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 12, 2020, 09:24:58 AM
 Currently have boneless thighs brining in pickle juice.I suppose I'd tried this brine if offered

Once they are fried and slathered in pickles and mayo...delicious!.Ya lost me,go find Andrew Zimmern
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 12, 2020, 09:30:33 AM
I start getting badgers about "What do you want for Christmas?" about now.  I generally say "World peace" or "Harsher punishment for parole violators".

This year I preempted by sending out this:

(https://i.imgur.com/P2v8TDi.png)

That could be me.  It isn't.  It won't be any time soon, but it could be.  Reaction thus far is not promising.

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Post by: Cincydawg on November 12, 2020, 09:31:15 AM
Kroger had flat iron steaks on sale so I picked up two of them.  I would just about prefer this to any other cut at any price, just about.  Seriously.

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Post by: bayareabadger on November 12, 2020, 09:33:18 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/qvUFTaw.png)
In reading the first one, I thought that was an instruction on how to deal with an engineer 
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Post by: utee94 on November 12, 2020, 09:56:04 AM
hey now
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 12, 2020, 10:11:22 AM
No shit.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 12, 2020, 10:12:06 AM
Kroger had flat iron steaks on sale so I picked up two of them.  I would just about prefer this to any other cut at any price, just about.  Seriously.
Makes for a great steak fritte dinner. Garlic and parsley butter. Mmm..
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Post by: MaximumSam on November 12, 2020, 10:41:19 AM


The recipe was from Serious Eats five ingredient chicken sandwiches. Essentially brine in pickle juice, then a dip in buttermilk, then all purpose flour, then fry. Turned out pretty well.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 12, 2020, 10:55:50 AM
Kroger had flat iron steaks on sale so I picked up two of them.  I would just about prefer this to any other cut at any price, just about.  Seriously.
Phenomenal cut for the price. 

When used as a "steak", to me it actually slots in as my number two cut between ribeye (1) and strip (3). 
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 12, 2020, 11:20:29 AM
I like the flavor, and the leftovers make great stew or burritos or mixture with rice etc.

I can remember when they were $4.99/lb.

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Post by: Cincydawg on November 12, 2020, 11:28:36 AM
The expansion of MARTA hard rail into Gwinett county apparently has failed.  Folks in these outer counties make noise about this every so often, but the referenda fail time and again.

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Post by: FearlessF on November 12, 2020, 11:32:53 AM
pickle juice is a great brine, but my daughter drinks pickle juice so it's hard to find in my kitchen
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Post by: utee94 on November 12, 2020, 11:47:02 AM
I like the flavor, and the leftovers make great stew or burritos or mixture with rice etc.

I can remember when they were $4.99/lb.


I can remember when inside skirt steak was $.59/lb.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 12, 2020, 12:09:45 PM
Well, going back, I used to get sirloins for 99 cents a pound in HS, bring them home and cook them for lunch.
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Post by: Mdot21 on November 12, 2020, 12:18:25 PM
I start getting badgers about "What do you want for Christmas?" about now.  I generally say "World peace" or "Harsher punishment for parole violators".

This year I preempted by sending out this:

(https://i.imgur.com/P2v8TDi.png)

That could be me.  It isn't.  It won't be any time soon, but it could be.  Reaction thus far is not promising.
Wasn't a fan of the last Corvette, but they did a hell of a job with this one. It's stunning. Only nitpick I have on it is the taillights, but that's pulling hairs.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 12, 2020, 12:19:21 PM
Our pre-game meal was always a big steak and a potato.  No idea what cut it was, but it did what it was supposed to do.  And a banana at halftime, lol.
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Post by: FearlessF on November 12, 2020, 12:20:01 PM
I'd guess it was a sirloin 
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Post by: FearlessF on November 12, 2020, 12:20:47 PM
Wasn't a fan of the last Corvette, but they did a hell of a job with this one. It's stunning. Only nitpick I have on it is the taillights, but that's pulling hairs.
If I only had a spare $80K laying around
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 12, 2020, 12:41:49 PM
Our pre-game meal was always a big steak and a potato.  No idea what cut it was, but it did what it was supposed to do.  And a banana at halftime, lol.
Same- with a side of pasta.   
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Post by: FearlessF on November 12, 2020, 12:54:38 PM
If I only had a spare $80K laying around
hah, a pic today from an acquaintance in Iowa

(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/124344319_10218478814989334_3920776937201148839_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=c-uJLAmNgyMAX-JLF19&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=13413948f1bddef5f61b9c30f518b10e&oe=5FD1E2A4)


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Post by: Mdot21 on November 12, 2020, 01:08:02 PM
If I only had a spare $80K laying around
don't they start at $55k? 
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Post by: FearlessF on November 12, 2020, 01:17:00 PM
$60K

I'd want a few options

I wonder if the dealer threw in the cap for him?
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 12, 2020, 01:26:20 PM
I have practical problems with Vettes of course, some obvious ones, and also the memory of how many tires we blew out on the Caddy (which had 19" rims and 35 profile run flats).  That was a major consideration in trading that vehicle.  The second issue is knowing I can't really drive it on a public road.  It hits 60 mph in 2.8 seconds, which is kinda fun of course, but not for long.  It looks pretty cool, but then, I do naturally anyway.

The car I'd buy if I were to buy one would be a B<W 240i convertible.

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Post by: FearlessF on November 12, 2020, 01:40:25 PM
well, the Michelin Pilot Sport All-Season 4 isn't a run flat

and you admit you don't drive your current car at it's limits

who cares if the limits are a bit greater and you don't get there?
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 12, 2020, 03:12:55 PM
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34601800/last-3-on-the-tree-column-shift-manual-car/?src=socialflowFBCAD&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0y4uARm3mfT5H6eFoV39YSrUPDGSSz2-w99P7pA9XJ9tKeUeYMAQfRUZo

The last 3 on a tree transmission available in the US as a new car, 1979 Chevy Nova.

How many here have driven one, a car or truck with 3-on-the-tree?
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 12, 2020, 03:33:41 PM
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34601800/last-3-on-the-tree-column-shift-manual-car/?src=socialflowFBCAD&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0y4uARm3mfT5H6eFoV39YSrUPDGSSz2-w99P7pA9XJ9tKeUeYMAQfRUZo

The last 3 on a tree transmission available in the US as a new car, 1979 Chevy Nova.

How many here have driven one, a car or truck with 3-on-the-tree?
I have driven those. Many of them.

Now I have two vehicles that have 7 on the tree.
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Post by: FearlessF on November 12, 2020, 03:40:56 PM
that's not a tree

I'm familiar with 3 on the tree

many farm trucks and pickups in my youth
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Post by: FearlessF on November 12, 2020, 03:42:01 PM
my first car when I was 17 in 1979 was a 1970 Nova SS

4 on the floor
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 12, 2020, 03:57:46 PM
2 things people love: rhyming and talking animals 
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Post by: FearlessF on November 12, 2020, 04:01:46 PM
12ving - 8-man football high school playoff game in Iowa today

(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/124399558_3707932652591388_1411121588358575814_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=p_PLZ2r6P-gAX8SLYkY&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=8826ba4da5631ca14a230274821d4a72&oe=5FD26C67)
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 12, 2020, 04:06:13 PM
How many here have driven one, a car or truck with 3-on-the-tree?
I have have nightmares to this day about those,my brothers also.My dad loved manual tranny's as he grew up in the day,he was also frugal,not cheap but had to watch the Ps/Qs with 5 kids.He also wasn't very good at driving - think Mr Magoo for those that get that.Any way my dad got a deal from guy at Chevy(where he worked) in the early 70s on a 6 cyldr,4dr Chevelle with a 3 on the tree in gawd awful ugly pea green.it was used but he bounced around in it for 6yrs and sold it to a neighbor who got another 3-4 yrs out of it.So imagine a cranky stout,gruff guy like Mel from Mel's Diner in the sit com Alice behind the wheel.Anyway my dad smoked a pipe(tobacco) in one hand he'd have his pipe and in the other the tobacco pouch.He would load his pipe in his lap as he made a left with his elbows on the wheel as he as he tapped the lever downshifting with his elbow - shear-terror."Dad watch it we're going to hit that car/sign/person/ditch as he's swearing enough to make Patton blush and blaming a near would be victim.And yelling at me "Shadd Up!!! what the hell's wrong with you".I never told him after that when I had dental appointments.I'd walk over two miles in the elements.When the family went out we felt bad that mom was in the front seat.And no one ever screamed "shotgun"
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 12, 2020, 04:08:03 PM
Kroger had flat iron steaks on sale so I picked up two of them.  I would just about prefer this to any other cut at any price, just about.  Seriously.
Alton brown cooked them right on the coals.I was slobbering like a St Bernard
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 12, 2020, 04:14:18 PM
Well, going back, I used to get sirloins for 99 cents a pound in HS, bring them home and cook them for lunch.
Ya and John Wayne was appearing in "Stage Coach"
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 12, 2020, 04:19:17 PM
The last 3 on a tree transmission available in the US as a new car, 1979 Chevy Nova.

How many here have driven one, a car or truck with 3-on-the-tree?
Nope. Oldest car I've "owned" was the 1985 1/2 Ford Escort with 4 on the floor. Have had multiple manuals since, but all have been on the floor.

Except, of course, for the 1 down 5 up vehicle I had... Which I reversed to the "GP" shift pattern of 1 up 5 down. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 12, 2020, 04:20:56 PM
I'm familiar with 3 on the tree
That how many strokes it takes to get out of the woods?
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Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on November 12, 2020, 04:27:07 PM
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34601800/last-3-on-the-tree-column-shift-manual-car/?src=socialflowFBCAD&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0y4uARm3mfT5H6eFoV39YSrUPDGSSz2-w99P7pA9XJ9tKeUeYMAQfRUZo

The last 3 on a tree transmission available in the US as a new car, 1979 Chevy Nova.

How many here have driven one, a car or truck with 3-on-the-tree?

We had a couple of Chevy farm trucks with 3 on the tree. That is what I learned to drive in. 
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Post by: longhorn320 on November 12, 2020, 04:28:11 PM
my first car when I was 17 in 1979 was a 1970 Nova SS

4 on the floor
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34601800/last-3-on-the-tree-column-shift-manual-car/?src=socialflowFBCAD&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0y4uARm3mfT5H6eFoV39YSrUPDGSSz2-w99P7pA9XJ9tKeUeYMAQfRUZo

The last 3 on a tree transmission available in the US as a new car, 1979 Chevy Nova.

How many here have driven one, a car or truck with 3-on-the-tree?
drove a 1965 volkswagen in college
3 speeds and reverse on the floor

does that count
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Post by: longhorn320 on November 12, 2020, 05:26:40 PM
drove a 1965 volkswagen in college
3 speeds and reverse on the floor

does that count
Guess not
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Post by: utee94 on November 12, 2020, 07:01:59 PM
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34601800/last-3-on-the-tree-column-shift-manual-car/?src=socialflowFBCAD&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0y4uARm3mfT5H6eFoV39YSrUPDGSSz2-w99P7pA9XJ9tKeUeYMAQfRUZo

The last 3 on a tree transmission available in the US as a new car, 1979 Chevy Nova.

How many here have driven one, a car or truck with 3-on-the-tree?
A friend in high school in '88 had an old truck that was 3 on the tree.  I don't even remember what brand it was, I wasn't much into pickups at the time, but I drove it occasionally.  So I can raise my hand on this one.
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Post by: FearlessF on November 12, 2020, 09:05:43 PM
Former Florida State wide receiver D.J. Matthews will transfer to Indiana, it was announced on Thursday. The former Seminoles star made the announcement via a post on social media account as he now gets set to join the Hoosiers for the next leg of his football career.
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Post by: longhorn320 on November 12, 2020, 09:49:24 PM
Former Florida State wide receiver D.J. Matthews will transfer to Indiana, it was announced on Thursday. The former Seminoles star made the announcement via a post on social media account as he now gets set to join the Hoosiers for the next leg of his football career.
I know this is going to sound bad but I gotta ask why would anyone want to transfer from Florida State to Indiana
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Post by: MaximumSam on November 12, 2020, 09:55:41 PM
I know this is going to sound bad but I gotta ask why would anyone want to transfer from Florida State to Indiana
Probably to play for a decent team
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Post by: FearlessF on November 12, 2020, 09:59:00 PM
with a decent QB
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Post by: bayareabadger on November 12, 2020, 10:12:09 PM
I know this is going to sound bad but I gotta ask why would anyone want to transfer from Florida State to Indiana
I mean, if you think your coach is unpleasant, could be a reason to leave. And it's not like Tallahassee is a paradise.
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Post by: Mdot21 on November 12, 2020, 11:23:42 PM
I know this is going to sound bad but I gotta ask why would anyone want to transfer from Florida State to Indiana
Florida State is a dumpster fire, that's why.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: longhorn320 on November 12, 2020, 11:39:04 PM
Florida State is a dumpster fire, that's why.
OK but why Indiana

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Post by: MrNubbz on November 12, 2020, 11:45:52 PM
OK but why Indiana


It's beautiful country with a nice campus and an opportunity to play
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 13, 2020, 12:21:09 AM
Academics?

Tallahassee may not be a paradise, but there's bangin' scenery and the beach isn't far away.
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Post by: bayareabadger on November 13, 2020, 05:36:30 AM
OK but why Indiana


Is this question legitimately curious? Or no?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 13, 2020, 05:39:00 AM
Academics?

Tallahassee may not be a paradise, but there's bangin' scenery and the beach isn't far away.
If you don’t like the beach, there’s quality enough scenery at most large institutions. (Plus he’ll only be there a year anyway)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 13, 2020, 07:41:06 AM
that's not a tree

I'm familiar with 3 on the tree

many farm trucks and pickups in my youth
(https://i.imgur.com/hoBMgHp.jpg)
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Post by: utee94 on November 13, 2020, 08:11:26 AM
That's a pretty tree.  Why are the leaves all orange and yellow and red?
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 13, 2020, 08:24:35 AM
Fall colors.

I soon will forget what that looks like.
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Post by: utee94 on November 13, 2020, 08:30:13 AM
Fall colors?

Fall colors for trees are green, then brown, then gone.

You people are crazy.
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Post by: FearlessF on November 13, 2020, 08:34:30 AM
Jack Frost is a helluva artist
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 13, 2020, 10:10:44 AM
These look fine all year long...

(https://i.imgur.com/r3j9awu.jpg)
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 13, 2020, 10:12:35 AM
Fall colors?

Fall colors for trees are green, then brown, then gone.

You people are crazy.
Well maybe on mesquite or perhaps catus or tumbleweeds where you're at - I would never live there.Fearless and Bwarb on the other hand......
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 13, 2020, 10:13:29 AM
These look fine all year long...
As long as they're not on fire
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 13, 2020, 10:14:08 AM
Leaves are starting to turn here, a bit, still no cold weather, it's been warmer than usual.  The tulip poplar outside my office is about half gone.

Today is gorgeous, 61°F at the moment.  I imagine we'll go to the botanical garden and walk about.
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Post by: utee94 on November 13, 2020, 10:17:52 AM
Weird year, my crepe myrtles only stopped blooming a few weeks ago, normally they're done in August.  And now they're already dropping leaves into my pool.  
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 13, 2020, 10:40:17 AM
Weird year, my crepe myrtles only stopped blooming a few weeks ago, normally they're done in August.  And now they're already dropping leaves into my pool. 

2020
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Post by: utee94 on November 13, 2020, 10:57:32 AM
2020
Maybe the Murder Hornets pollinated them, so they responded differently.

Effing 2020.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 13, 2020, 10:58:53 AM
Remember the Killer Bees and the Fire Ants?  There was at one point a notion they would "take over everywhere".  I think they are problematic in some areas, like right around Austin, Texas.

Don't move there.
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Post by: longhorn320 on November 13, 2020, 11:00:49 AM
Remember the Killer Bees and the Fire Ants?  There was at one point a notion they would "take over everywhere".  I think they are problematic in some areas, like right around Austin, Texas.

Don't move there.
yep now there is a rumor that fire ants are mating with killer bees

oh the humanity
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Post by: Mdot21 on November 13, 2020, 11:42:35 AM
If you don’t like the beach, there’s quality enough scenery at most large institutions. (Plus he’ll only be there a year anyway)
Florida probably has the hottest women of any state in the entire country. And FSU has all the hottest girls in Florida that were too stupid to get into UF or too stupid to get into Miami/couldn’t afford the tuition at Miami. Expansion of FAU/FIU have cut into the talent at FSU I’m sure, but the Indiana scenery pales in comparison to what this guy is leaving at FSU. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 13, 2020, 12:00:46 PM
Remember the Killer Bees and the Fire Ants?  There was at one point a notion they would "take over everywhere".  I think they are problematic in some areas, like right around Austin, Texas.

Don't move there.
Yeah, like mine. MF'rs got me good about a month ago. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 13, 2020, 12:12:25 PM
Remember the Killer Bees and the Fire Ants?  There was at one point a notion they would "take over everywhere".  I think they are problematic in some areas, like right around Austin, Texas.

Don't move there.
Thank You For Your Support

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 13, 2020, 12:20:49 PM
Florida probably has the hottest women of any state in the entire country. And FSU has all the hottest girls in Florida that were too stupid to get into UF or too stupid to get into Miami/couldn’t afford the tuition at Miami. Expansion of FAU/FIU have cut into the talent at FSU I’m sure, but the Indiana scenery pales in comparison to what this guy is leaving at FSU.
I remember when myself and my other Purdue buddy attended our friend's wedding at Auburn. 

School wasn't even in session, but in going to the bars the night before the wedding we realized that a "10" in West Lafayette was only about an Auburn "6". 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 13, 2020, 12:28:48 PM
I remember when myself and my other Purdue buddy attended our friend's wedding at Auburn.

School wasn't even in session, but in going to the bars the night before the wedding we realized that a "10" in West Lafayette was only about an Auburn "6".
The south just has the hottest women in the US. I think that's fair to say.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 13, 2020, 12:49:46 PM
Brian Wilson and David Lee Roth wish they all could be California girls.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 13, 2020, 01:02:10 PM
there are beautiful young women everywhere

there just seems to be more of them in Cali and some other places
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 13, 2020, 01:11:32 PM
Expansion of FAU/FIU have cut into the talent at FSU I’m sure, but the Indiana scenery pales in comparison to what this guy is leaving at FSU.
Talking about the actual campus it self.Been down to FLA a few times and was shocked by the lack of greenery.Had some friends attend in Bloomington,great campus they loved it.And those Florida girls look good until the sun catches up to them - then they look like California raisins 😎
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 13, 2020, 01:14:49 PM
I went up to Ohio State to deliver my kids and my neck was snapping left and right all the time.

I concluded two things:

1.  I'm old.
2.  College aged women look really good to me for the most part.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 13, 2020, 01:31:18 PM
there are beautiful young women everywhere

there just seems to be more of them in Cali and some other places
Well California, and specifically LA, draws a lot of attractive women from all over, that are trying to be actresses/models/etc.  So not only is the homegrown talent good, but they import an abnormally high percentage of attractive women as well.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 13, 2020, 01:35:53 PM
so that's were most of the smokin hot farmer's daughters go?
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 13, 2020, 01:38:26 PM
I see young ladies out on the track daily who are ... attractive ... and they wear these tight pants that are ... attractive, presuming they are attractive, which some may not be.  I guess those are what we call yoga pants.

They actually do yoga classes in the park on weekends.  A lot of guys attend, I suspect for ulteriors.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 13, 2020, 01:45:41 PM
Well California, and specifically LA, draws a lot of attractive women from all over, that are trying to be actresses/models/etc.  So not only is the homegrown talent good, but they import an abnormally high percentage of attractive women as well.
Miami has better looking women than LA. NY has a lot of beautiful women too- but that has more to do with them just having so many god damn people packed into a small area. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 13, 2020, 01:46:14 PM
so that's were most of the smokin hot farmer's daughters go?
There or NY or Miami.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 13, 2020, 01:48:09 PM
Brian Wilson and David Lee Roth wish they all could be California girls.
There's a lot of guys who wish they could be girls in California. Just one of the many reasons that place is a crazy ass cesspool.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 13, 2020, 02:15:10 PM
You're a strange cat with some odd obsessions over how and where other people choose to live their lives, but that's cool.  It takes all kinds.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 13, 2020, 02:23:16 PM
David Lee Roth is a strange cat

I may have been referred to as a strange cat more than a few times
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 13, 2020, 02:38:52 PM
Well California, and specifically LA, draws a lot of attractive women from all over, that are trying to be actresses/models/etc.  So not only is the homegrown talent good, but they import an abnormally high percentage of attractive women as well.
Well if the Chix can't cut it as Aggies then they move to L.A.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Riffraft on November 13, 2020, 02:52:22 PM
Florida probably has the hottest women of any state in the entire country. And FSU has all the hottest girls in Florida that were too stupid to get into UF or too stupid to get into Miami/couldn’t afford the tuition at Miami. Expansion of FAU/FIU have cut into the talent at FSU I’m sure, but the Indiana scenery pales in comparison to what this guy is leaving at FSU.
You haven't been to Miami U.  
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Mdot21 on November 13, 2020, 03:33:51 PM
You haven't been to Miami U. 
Don't have to. I've been to Tallahassee before. FSU kills everyone in this...

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.chatsports.com/fsu5.jpg)(https://www.thewizofodds.com/.a/6a00e553e551d18834010534d2ae1f970c-pi)(https://touch-the-banner.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Florida-State-girl-302x.jpg)(https://external-preview.redd.it/kYzTbb_IOWhEVRS35m17K_btQsVELXlZxhFl3gFSzK4.jpg?auto=webp&s=c62778006cbda963ed4da28e78e0d162ef6416a5)(https://i.redd.it/yrmdmy49ye131.jpg)(https://jobbiecrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/SandySellers.jpg)


There is literally
 nothing in Ohio that is better than something in Florida. Ohio is like Michigan. It sucks.
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Post by: utee94 on November 14, 2020, 09:51:12 AM
Arizona State holds its own.

Well if the Chix can't cut it as Aggies then they move to L.A.
When my i s c & a aggie wife was at A&M, there were a lot of very pretty girls.  Same thing at UT.

Over time, as admissions standards have increased, there are fewer and fewer really hot girls going to either.  In the state of Texas, now they all go to Texas Tech or Texas State.  Those schools are... rich in talent... so to speak.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 14, 2020, 09:57:14 AM
Way back in the day, 1975, I took a trip over spring break to visit Princeton, and stopped at UNC on the way back.  Princeton had snow on the ground in places and the "coeds" were covered up with parkas and whatnot.  At UNC it was 70°F and the coeds were wearing shorts.

I went to UNC.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 14, 2020, 10:02:18 AM
Way back in the day, 1975, I took a trip over spring break to visit Princeton, and stopped at UNC on the way back.  Princeton had snow on the ground in places and the "coeds" were covered up with parkas and whatnot.  At UNC it was 70°F and the coeds were wearing shorts.

I went to UNC.



Word.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 14, 2020, 11:39:01 AM
ASU is pretty up there in the talent department.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 14, 2020, 01:50:51 PM
If it has bread instead of a bun, and cheese on it, around here we'd call it a patty melt.

I have no idea when that came into the vernacular, nor how widespread it is, though.
I've heard of a patty melt.  That's what I thought one was, though.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: GopherRock on November 14, 2020, 02:01:02 PM
I think patty melts need to be on pumpernickel or dark rye bread with an obscene amount of fried onions to be considered a patty melt.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 14, 2020, 02:04:01 PM
Lots of places claim the hamburger,New Haven,Conn but that was 1900.In Akron Ohio and Outagamie County Fair Wisc.both claim it in 1885

*https://whatscookingamerica.net/History/HamburgerHistory.htm*
All those other claims are missing the point.  From your link:

Quote
Only one of the claimants below served their hamburgers on a bun – Oscar Weber Bilby in 1891.  The rest served them as sandwiches between two slices of bread.

That would be Oscar Weber Bilby, from just outside of Tulsa.  Ancestor of the current owners of the Weber's Root Beer stand, where, along with cooking their burgers on the original 1891 grill, they make their own root beer.

Surely none of us think that a ground-beef patty between two slices of bread is a hamburger.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 14, 2020, 02:09:43 PM
Is a bun typically something other than bread?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MarqHusker on November 14, 2020, 02:12:59 PM
The Ole Miss talent at the Grove is unmatched imo.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 14, 2020, 02:14:02 PM

Surely none of us think that a ground-beef patty between two slices of bread is a hamburger.
I dunno I'm sure someone put them on kaiser Rolls - then what.Not sure Buns were plentiful back in the day.You'll have to ask utee or Badge - we need a ruling
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 14, 2020, 02:15:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/QJFDnOU.jpg)

They are swapping out some antenna on our roof today, the rood is about 200 feet up, and the crane came in on a truck.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 14, 2020, 02:15:25 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/h9u4wyF.jpg)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 14, 2020, 02:24:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cNGfHEhtng


One of the best videos I've ever seen on ut, seriously, entertaining and instructive.

And this "argument" comes up all the time on associated chat sites.

It's about the question of the "best tank of WW 2" and has a superb final answer.
I watched that awhile back, and I liked the answer.
Of course, it depends on what metrics you want to use, but produce-ability, versatility, reliability, economy of operation, and ease of maintenance matter.
In pure single-tank vs. single-tank combat is the metric, then many tanks are better.  But many of those "better" tanks can't get to the battlefield because they are too heavy to get across the available bridges, or because they broke down due to mechanical complexity and lack of spare parts, or because they weren't available in enough numbers due to being too expensive/difficult to produce.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 14, 2020, 02:32:36 PM
Yeah. and as you noted, our tactical approach was to use tank destroyers to engage other tanks, in theory.  The Sherman could fire a useful all purpose round.  They often had to be used against other tanks because battle is messy.

The TDs are an interesting group, I think.  The Germans favored simply "casemate" turretless TDs of course.  And of course their Panzers in 1942 were inferior against some Russian tanks.  So, the Germans creatively generated TDs on light tank chassis, at times using captured Russian guns.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 14, 2020, 02:33:51 PM
Got home from transferring the kids to their mom and as I got out of my car I hear snarling and screams. Neighbor pitbull was attacking my elderly neighbor's golden retriever. Rushed over to help separate them. Dog broke the skin of the golden and her owner, so this won't end well.

Glad I was there, as I'm not sure they'd have gotten separated without myself and the pit's male owner working together.
Walked over to the golden's house yesterday to check on them. Was a lot more serious than I thought. The golden needed $2K in surgery and the pit nearly got to the intestinal wall, which might have killed the poor girl. Replaying the events in my mind, I keep chastising myself for not intervening sooner. After seeing her dog, I'm glad I intervened when I did or she probably wouldn't have survived.

When I was there, I saw the pit bite the lady in addition to her dog, and her dog did not in any way fight back against the pit--it was purely an attack, not a fight. 

But apparently the pit's owner's version of the facts are nowhere near what I saw, and had the audacity to say that the golden bit his pit and that the golden bit her own owner. Apparently the police were going to cite her in addition to him for a "dog fight". Complete and total fabrication. What an asshole.

So I just completed my statement of facts and sent it to the golden's owner to forward to the police investigator. Not going to allow this outrage to stand.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 14, 2020, 02:36:24 PM
Good on you BWar. Not everyone would do what you did. You are a hero. For real.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 14, 2020, 02:37:58 PM
That is disgusting, but it happens.  The pit owner may really believe his side of the story, or has convinced himself of it.  If the pit bit the other person this could lead to civil action.  There was an impartial witness, you.

A LOT of people hereabouts have pit bulls, mostly mixes I think.  I like them, I've been around the ones that were well trained, or not mistrained, but they are powerful dogs.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 14, 2020, 02:46:45 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/K6q6sy5.jpg)


The tree that was toppled in the park.
We had a tornado skip through Tulsa a few years ago, and it apparently went right over us, sounding like the proverbial freight train.  It ripped up an 80-foot pecan tree in our back yard.  The root-ball wasn't quite that big, but it was close.
The tree fell into the front yard, caving in the garage roof in the process, and damaging my esposita's Volvo C30 and my Boss 302 with the upper branches.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 14, 2020, 02:48:28 PM
Good on you BWar. Not everyone would do what you did. You are a hero. For real.
I initially didn't want to intervene, but the owners couldn't get control of their dog. And none of the other bystanders [neighborhood ladies] were doing anything more than yelling "no". 

Luckily as pits go, he wasn't a particularly large one. Big enough to rip right through the side of that golden though. 
 
That is disgusting, but it happens.  The pit owner may really believe his side of the story, or has convinced himself of it.  If the pit bit the other person this could lead to civil action.  There was an impartial witness, you.

A LOT of people hereabouts have pit bulls, mostly mixes I think.  I like them, I've been around the ones that were well trained, or not mistrained, but they are powerful dogs.
I'm not anti-pit. Any breed of dog can be good, and any breed of dog can be dangerous.

But I feel like certain breeds of dog (pretty much any retriever) are the type where you almost have to deliberately mistreat them to make them mean or aggressive. Breeds like a pit need much better training by an owner to control more natural aggression, but with the right owner, they can be great dogs.

That said, I suspect that a lot of the owners who are attracted to those breeds are the exact sort of owners who shouldn't have those breeds. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 14, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
We had a tornado skip through Tulsa a few years ago, and it apparently went right over us, sounding like the proverbial freight train.  It ripped up an 80-foot pecan tree in our back yard.  The root-ball wasn't quite that big, but it was close.
The tree fell into the front yard, caving in the garage roof in the process, and damaging my esposita's Volvo C30 and my Boss 302 with the upper branches.
This happened after that Hurricane remainder came through, maybe 60 mph gusts.  I have to think that tree was weakened already, nothing else around it fell like that, though a lot of limbs came down.  A lot of the trees in the park are 120 years old, oaks and poplars mostly.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 14, 2020, 03:46:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/jBf3INs.png)
Still ugly.  Like so much automotive these days.
The overall shape is fine.  But the details are a mess.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 14, 2020, 03:50:35 PM
I start getting badgers about "What do you want for Christmas?" about now.  I generally say "World peace" or "Harsher punishment for parole violators".

This year I preempted by sending out this:

(https://i.imgur.com/P2v8TDi.png)

That could be me.  It isn't.  It won't be any time soon, but it could be.  Reaction thus far is not promising.
Maybe because it is ugly.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 14, 2020, 03:55:11 PM
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34601800/last-3-on-the-tree-column-shift-manual-car/?src=socialflowFBCAD&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0y4uARm3mfT5H6eFoV39YSrUPDGSSz2-w99P7pA9XJ9tKeUeYMAQfRUZo

The last 3 on a tree transmission available in the US as a new car, 1979 Chevy Nova.

How many here have driven one, a car or truck with 3-on-the-tree?
A then-old 3-on-the-tree GMC pickup is what I used in learning to drive.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 14, 2020, 04:04:47 PM
I remember when myself and my other Purdue buddy attended our friend's wedding at Auburn.

School wasn't even in session, but in going to the bars the night before the wedding we realized that a "10" in West Lafayette was only about an Auburn "6".
In the summer of 1979, my buddy at Fort Benning and I drove to Auburn with the express purpose of picking up girls.  We saw none.  It was like the streets had been rolled up.  Nothing was open.
It was a Saturday night.
Like the one in this town (https://youtu.be/8bqFEJCtULI).
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 14, 2020, 04:21:00 PM
I think patty melts need to be on pumpernickel or dark rye bread with an obscene amount of fried onions to be considered a patty melt.
Right.  That's what a patty melt has meant to me.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 14, 2020, 04:22:22 PM
Is a bun typically something other than bread?
Technically, no.
But when I hear "bread," I don't think of a hamburger bun.
Just like when I hear "sandwich," I don't think of a hamburger.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 14, 2020, 04:29:32 PM
Prettiest airliner ever.

The Lockheed Constellation (https://youtu.be/xRwSKmFoFa8)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 14, 2020, 05:43:38 PM
My buddy says it's the best three engine aircraft in history.  He was an eng officer on one for the French Air Force in the 60s.  He said they almost never completed a mission with all four running.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 14, 2020, 07:40:29 PM
Well, by the '60s they were old.  I'm not sure what model he would have flown.

Checking the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge, I find that Air France and something called CATAIR (Compagnie d'Affretements et de Transports Aeriens) were the French operators of the Constellation, Super Constellation, and/or L-1649 Starliner.

Starting with the L-1049 Super-Connie, they used the very complex R-3350 turbo-compound engines.  I can imagine that those engines, with a lot of hours on them, could have had some reliability issues.

The airplane in the video is a Starliner.  They used a different wing planform than the P-38-ish design that Connies and Super-Connies did.

Connies looked very nice in Air France livery.

(https://i.imgur.com/oRmFaCg.png)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 14, 2020, 08:47:54 PM
In the summer of 1979, my buddy at Fort Benning and I drove to Auburn with the express purpose of picking up girls.  We saw none.  It was like the streets had been rolled up.  Nothing was open.
It was a Saturday night.
Like the one in this town (https://youtu.be/8bqFEJCtULI).
Especially before summer semesters became normalized, yeah, college towns were ghost towns in the summer.  What were you thinking?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 15, 2020, 12:29:50 AM
Especially before summer semesters became normalized, yeah, college towns were ghost towns in the summer.  What were you thinking?
I'm guessing the southmost heads were doing the bulk of the "thinking" on that trip lol... 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 15, 2020, 01:16:15 AM

Connies looked very nice in Air France livery.

(https://i.imgur.com/oRmFaCg.png)
Looks like a Dolphin sailing out of the water
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 15, 2020, 01:19:00 AM
I'm guessing the southmost heads were doing the bulk of the "thinking" on that trip lol...
Isn't that what Myrtle Beach was for back then?  Panama City Beach is now?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 15, 2020, 08:50:55 AM
Down here a patty melt doesn't need to be on dark bread, but the bread definitely needs to be toasted.

A common version of a patty melt here, is between two thick slabs of toasted white bread, called "Texas toast."

Obviously cheese is also necessary, hence the "melt" part.

Oh and all buns are bread, but not all bread are buns.  Hamburgers are served on buns, specifically, not just any ol' bread.  If you want to depart from a standard hamburger bun, then you'll need to make a distinction in the description, and call out "kaiser roll" or whatever, otherwise you're gonna confuse the customer when you serve what you called a hamburger, on something other than a hamburger bun.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 15, 2020, 08:52:58 AM
Had my burger on some sort of French bread last night. But it was not a baguette.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 15, 2020, 10:13:08 AM
Minced meat was a delicacy in medieval cuisine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_cuisine), red meat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_meat) usually being restricted to the higher classes.[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-16) Very little mincing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mincing) was done by medieval butchers or recorded in the cookbooks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cookbook) of the time, perhaps because it was not part of the sausage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sausage)-making process that preserves meat.
During the first half of the 19th century, most European emigrants to the New World (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World) embarked from Hamburg, and New York City was their most common destination. Restaurants in New York offered Hamburg-style American fillet,[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-17)[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-Ozersky-18) or even beefsteak à la Hambourgeoise. Early American preparations of minced beef were therefore made to fit the tastes of European immigrants, evoking memories of the port of Hamburg and the world they left behind.[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-Moch-19)
Hamburg steak[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_hamburger&action=edit&section=3)]
In the late 19th century, the Hamburg steak (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg_steak) became popular on the menus of many restaurants in the port of New York (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_New_York_and_New_Jersey). This might consist of a fried patty of chopped beef, eggs, onions, and seasoning,[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-20) or it might be lightly salted and often smoked, and served raw in a dish along with onions and bread crumbs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_crumbs).[21] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-Theodora-21)[page needed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources)] The oldest document that refers to the Hamburg steak is a Delmonico's Restaurant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delmonico's_Restaurant) menu from 1873 which offered customers an 11-cent plate of Hamburg steak that had been developed by American chef Charles Ranhofer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Ranhofer) (1836–1899). This price was high for the time, twice the price of a simple fillet of beef steak.[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-Ozersky-18)[22] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-22)[page needed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources)] However, by the end of the century the Hamburg steak was gaining popularity because of its ease of preparation decreasing cost. This is evident from its detailed description in some of the most popular cookbooks of the day.[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-Boston-13)[page needed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources)] Documents show that this preparation style was used by 1887 in some U.S. restaurants and was also used for feeding patients in hospitals; the Hamburg steak was served raw or lightly cooked and was accompanied by a raw egg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_(food)).[23] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-23)
The menus of many American restaurants during the 19th century included a Hamburg beefsteak that was often sold for breakfast.[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-Grace-24) A variant of Hamburg steak is the Salisbury steak (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salisbury_steak), which is usually served with a gravy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravy) similar in texture to brown sauce (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_sauce). Invented by Dr. James Salisbury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Salisbury) (1823–1905), the term Salisbury steak has been used in the United States since 1897.[25] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-25) Nowadays, in the city of Hamburg as well as in parts of northern Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Germany), this type dish is called Frikadelle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frikadelle), Frikandelle, or Bulette, which is similar to the meatball. The term hamburger steak was replaced by hamburger by 1930, which has in turn been somewhat displaced by the simpler term, burger.[26] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-Merriam-26) The latter term is now commonly used as a suffix to create new words for different variants of the hamburger, including cheeseburger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheeseburger), porkburger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porkburger), baconburger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon) and mooseburger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose). There are other foods with names derived from German cities that are shortened in different ways in American English (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_English). An example is the frankfurter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_dog), often abbreviated as frank.[26] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-Merriam-26)


Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 15, 2020, 02:50:59 PM
Now, how did the term "hot dog" come to be?

I asked the wife if they had hot dogs in France and she said she'd never seen one, obviously they likely have them somewhere.  I'm a bit amazed how expensive a hot dog is in a restaurant that serves them.  I gather every menu item starts at say $5 regardless and then adds cost to make it.  A hot dog at the Nook is $9 I think, it comes wit "totchos" (or fries).  One hot dog.  That place stays busy nearly all the time, and a bit noisy as they moved a lot of tables outside into their parking lot.

The food is OK, not bad, typical bar food.  It is easy to spend $50 on lunch for two though.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 15, 2020, 04:24:32 PM
Now, how did the term "hot dog" come to be?

I asked the wife if they had hot dogs in France and she said she'd never seen one, obviously they likely have them somewhere.  I'm a bit amazed how expensive a hot dog is in a restaurant that serves them.  I gather every menu item starts at say $5 regardless and then adds cost to make it.  A hot dog at the Nook is $9 I think, it comes wit "totchos" (or fries).  One hot dog.  That place stays busy nearly all the time, and a bit noisy as they moved a lot of tables outside into their parking lot.

The food is OK, not bad, typical bar food.  It is easy to spend $50 on lunch for two though.


World's Fair in Chicago.

Some dude was selling sausages and couldn't sell many, because they were too hot to be handheld. So, he put his "hot dogs" in a bun and the rest is the rest.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 15, 2020, 05:54:56 PM
I see some forecast lows in the 30s next week.  I might freeze.

Today was nice but windy midafternoon.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 15, 2020, 05:58:18 PM
beautiful fall day here - mid 40s,  a bit windy early

I mowed leaves

might have a Husker victory cigar and a glass of scotch on the porch later

mid to upper 50s next week

might play some golf
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 15, 2020, 06:02:50 PM
World's Fair in Chicago.

Some dude was selling sausages and couldn't sell many, because they were too hot to be handheld. So, he put his "hot dogs" in a bun and the rest is the rest.
I knew the story, but not why they came to be called "dogs".  Wieners?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MarqHusker on November 15, 2020, 06:12:25 PM
Well, there's also the inconvenient name of Frankfurters which had to be changed.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 15, 2020, 06:16:17 PM
I knew the story, but not why they came to be called "dogs".  Wieners?
From Vienna and called wiener dogs
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 15, 2020, 06:18:01 PM
A story that riles serious hot dog historians is how term "hot dog" came about. Some say the word was coined in 1901 at the New York Polo Grounds on a cold April day. Vendors were hawking hot dogs from portable hot water tanks shouting "They're red hot! Get your dachshund sausages while they're red hot!" A New York Journal sports cartoonist, Tad Dorgan, observed the scene and hastily drew a cartoon of barking dachshund sausages nestled warmly in rolls. Not sure how to spell "dachshund" he simply wrote "hot dog!" The cartoon is said to have been a sensation, thus coining the term "hot dog." However, historians have been unable to find this cartoon, despite Dorgan's enormous body of work and his popularity.

Kraig, and other culinary historians, point to college magazines where the word "hot dog" began appearing in the 1890s. The term was current at Yale in the fall of 1894, when "dog wagons" sold hot dogs at the dorms. The name was a sarcastic comment on the provenance of the meat. References to dachshund sausages and ultimately hot dogs can be traced to German immigrants in the 1800s. These immigrants brought not only sausages to America, but dachshund dogs. The name most likely began as a joke about the Germans' small, long, thin dogs. In fact, even Germans called the frankfurter a "little-dog" or "dachshund" sausage, thus linking the word "dog" to their popular concoction.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 15, 2020, 07:38:34 PM
I live a 113 miles due south of Cape Canaveral. 
Anytime they do a space ex launch and it’s a clear night we can see it clearly from my back patio. Such a spectacular sight!

They just launched at 10 minutes ago.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 15, 2020, 10:43:17 PM
I'd see space shuttle launches when we lived in Lakeland, about 100 miles west. 
Nothing can replicate being there at the Cape during a launch, though.  That thumping in your chest is epic.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 15, 2020, 11:01:51 PM
Minced meat was a delicacy in medieval cuisine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_cuisine), red meat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_meat) usually being restricted to the higher classes.[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-16) Very little mincing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mincing) was done by medieval butchers or recorded in the cookbooks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cookbook) of the time, perhaps because it was not part of the sausage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sausage)-making process that preserves meat.
During the first half of the 19th century, most European emigrants to the New World (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World) embarked from Hamburg, and New York City was their most common destination. Restaurants in New York offered Hamburg-style American fillet,[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-17)[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-Ozersky-18) or even beefsteak à la Hambourgeoise. Early American preparations of minced beef were therefore made to fit the tastes of European immigrants, evoking memories of the port of Hamburg and the world they left behind.[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-Moch-19)
Hamburg steak[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_hamburger&action=edit&section=3)]
In the late 19th century, the Hamburg steak (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg_steak) became popular on the menus of many restaurants in the port of New York (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_New_York_and_New_Jersey). This might consist of a fried patty of chopped beef, eggs, onions, and seasoning,[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-20) or it might be lightly salted and often smoked, and served raw in a dish along with onions and bread crumbs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_crumbs).[21] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-Theodora-21)[page needed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources)] The oldest document that refers to the Hamburg steak is a Delmonico's Restaurant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delmonico's_Restaurant) menu from 1873 which offered customers an 11-cent plate of Hamburg steak that had been developed by American chef Charles Ranhofer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Ranhofer) (1836–1899). This price was high for the time, twice the price of a simple fillet of beef steak.[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-Ozersky-18)[22] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-22)[page needed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources)] However, by the end of the century the Hamburg steak was gaining popularity because of its ease of preparation decreasing cost. This is evident from its detailed description in some of the most popular cookbooks of the day.[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-Boston-13)[page needed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources)] Documents show that this preparation style was used by 1887 in some U.S. restaurants and was also used for feeding patients in hospitals; the Hamburg steak was served raw or lightly cooked and was accompanied by a raw egg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_(food)).[23] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-23)
The menus of many American restaurants during the 19th century included a Hamburg beefsteak that was often sold for breakfast.[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-Grace-24) A variant of Hamburg steak is the Salisbury steak (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salisbury_steak), which is usually served with a gravy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravy) similar in texture to brown sauce (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_sauce). Invented by Dr. James Salisbury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Salisbury) (1823–1905), the term Salisbury steak has been used in the United States since 1897.[25] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-25) Nowadays, in the city of Hamburg as well as in parts of northern Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Germany), this type dish is called Frikadelle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frikadelle), Frikandelle, or Bulette, which is similar to the meatball. The term hamburger steak was replaced by hamburger by 1930, which has in turn been somewhat displaced by the simpler term, burger.[26] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-Merriam-26) The latter term is now commonly used as a suffix to create new words for different variants of the hamburger, including cheeseburger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheeseburger), porkburger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porkburger), baconburger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon) and mooseburger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose). There are other foods with names derived from German cities that are shortened in different ways in American English (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_English). An example is the frankfurter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_dog), often abbreviated as frank.[26] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_hamburger#cite_note-Merriam-26)
"Burg" comes from Old High German "burg," meaning "fortified town."  IIRC, the Dutch equivalent is "burgh" and the French equivalent is "bourg."  All originally meaning about the same thing.  "Bourgeoise" comes from the people who lived in such towns.  "Borough" is another derivation.
"Furt" does not mean "fort," as some might guess, but "ford."  So, "Frankfurt" would have originated as a name for a place where the Franks (who were Germanic, not Gallic) forded or could ford a river.
The suffix "-er" in German means "of the place."  Frankfurters are from Frankfurt, Hamburgers are from Hamburg, Berliners are from Berlin, and Wieners are from Vienna (Wien).
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 16, 2020, 07:47:01 AM
Damn NE Ohio got pounded by high winds up until about 11 pm last nite.Trees & wires down and power out all over the place.I had large branches down on the roof/yard.I sympathize with any folks going thru that
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 16, 2020, 07:53:55 AM
Alfred the Great pushed the idea of fortified towns that were called "Burhs" in Wessex ca. 900 AD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burh#:~:text=A%20burh%20(Old%20English%20pronunciation,to%20use%20against%20such%20attackers.

They were Saxons fighting the Danes at the time.  The Danes overran most of "England" as we call it now and Wessex was the last kingdom left, and it too was overrun, but the Danes didn't like sieges or attacking fortified towns, so the Saxons gradually retook England from them, and intermarried, and the place became "Englaland", Place of the Angles" (Anglo-Saxons), until some uppity French dude decided he wanted the throne even though he was a mere Duke.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: GopherRock on November 16, 2020, 08:35:04 AM
We transited Frankfurt to and from Rome last winter. While in the airport, I ate a frankfurter. 

You know, the whole "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" bit. When in Frankfurt, eat a frankfurter.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 16, 2020, 08:36:33 AM
When in Rome, eat a Roman?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 16, 2020, 08:55:44 AM
When in Austin - STAY THERE
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 16, 2020, 11:01:01 AM
and eat Tex-Mex
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 16, 2020, 11:20:49 AM
Mmmmmm Tex-Mex.

A new place nearby just opened, they've got really great Tex-Mex AND some awesome interior-style dishes as well.  I hope they make it, the last 3-4 restaurants in that space all failed within a year or so.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: longhorn320 on November 16, 2020, 12:50:40 PM
When in Austin - STAY THERE
when not in Austin stay there
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 16, 2020, 01:03:45 PM
when not in Austin stay there
Ha!

Amen, brutha.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: SFBadger96 on November 16, 2020, 01:30:50 PM
We were at the Cape for the second-to-last shuttle launch...then it was scratched. Serious bummer. We watched it with our kids on TV weeks later, like we had as kids in the 80s, but that was a missed opportunity. Sigh.

Anyway, last week we took a partial vacation down to Palm Springs. Work and school online worked just as well from there, and we all took it extra easy, and took Veterans Day off. Friday I completed what I'm calling the "Palm Springs triathalon:" swimming, tennis, and golf in one day. :-)

It was nice down there. Not that warm, though, until Friday. Good to change scenery and pace a bit. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 16, 2020, 01:40:01 PM
Yeah we did almost a full week down at the beach back in October over Columbus Day weekend, it was great.  Kids had 2 days off already, plus a weekend, and then we fudged through a couple other days with the kids being in "online school" while down there, or driving home.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 16, 2020, 02:48:23 PM
Running a non-chain restaurant is a great way to make a small fortune IFF ...
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 16, 2020, 03:14:00 PM
Mmmmmm Tex-Mex.

A new place nearby just opened, they've got really great Tex-Mex AND some awesome interior-style dishes as well.  I hope they make it, the last 3-4 restaurants in that space all failed within a year or so.
Ya but do they have Lonestar,Jose Cuervo,Armadillo Eggs and Possum on the Half Shell ?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 16, 2020, 03:31:41 PM
There is a new burger place near us that we tried twice.  It's not bad, over priced IMHO, and we have better options.  Anyway, we dine fairly often at a place next door that we like, and I almost never see the burger place doing business.  The "owner/manager often is outside bopping about, joshing with folks in the side walk, I don't know about what.  There are a number of dining places in that side street and they'll all be crowded and he's empty at prime time.  I asked him how business was and he said it was great.

I don't know if they are washing money or what, but I'd be shocked if he is covering his nut.

https://www.yelp.com/biz/sam-s-of-san-francisco-atlanta

Several places have closed permanently in that section already.  So, there is more business for the rest I guess.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 16, 2020, 04:33:12 PM
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Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2020, 07:54:31 AM
Hmmm... is a gyro wrap really a sandwich?  If so, then you could argue that a taco or burrito is a sandwich.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 17, 2020, 08:10:05 AM
When I get gyros, I always get my pita on the side.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2020, 08:13:05 AM
Deconstructed sandwich.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 17, 2020, 08:14:54 AM
Correct.

I had one on Sunday at our favorite Greek place down here (so far).
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2020, 08:18:33 AM
The best Greek joints are in town, not out here in the burbs.  There's one good one over by my office, but I haven't been into the office since March, so...

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2020, 08:29:51 AM
When I was doing a 6-week summer program at Northwestern, summer before my senior year in high school, I stayed in a campus dorm with an assigned roommate.  He was a Chicago native, and we became friends, so a couple of times per week his dad would swing by and spring us loose for lunch.  They saw it as their mission to enlighten me with respect to Chicago cuisine (and believe me I was all for it, especially compared to dorm food!).

We went out and got red hots, deep dish pizza, and then one day they took me to a Greek place.  I'd had Greek food before, and knew I'd like it, but for some reason I'd never had dessert at any Greek restaurant.  They ordered some baklava and it looked a little weird to me, but I've always been willing to try pretty much anything.  From the moment I bit into it, I knew I'd found ambrosia from the gods, and I knew it would be my favorite dessert for the rest of my life.  

I don't eat it much, I don't eat any sweets all that often, but sometimes I'll go out of my way to stop by my favorite Greek place in town to snag some baklava.  And it tastes as delicious today as it did back then.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 17, 2020, 08:45:08 AM
We have some good Greek places around us in walking distance, and I enjoy them, but as the wife says there are so many good places it's hard to patronize them all.

https://www.cafeagora.com/midtown-menu

This place is good, they have three small tables on the sidewalk, I wish they had more outdoor seating but there isn't room.

(https://i.imgur.com/50mx8sy.png)

It's a quiet street fortunately.  

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Post by: FearlessF on November 17, 2020, 08:59:10 AM
doesn't look like the parking places get used much, put up a fence in the street

not much greek food here in NW Iowa

the Greeks owned the Red Hot coney dog places
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 17, 2020, 09:07:24 AM
the Greeks owned the Red Hot coney dog places
Did they burn down?


:)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 17, 2020, 09:18:52 AM
That block is "historical", owned by the Atlanta History Center because the Margaret Mitchell house is on the block, and that small older set of buildings is part of it, so they can't make changes readily.  The house, or rather apartment building, apparently burned significantly a while back, so it isn't really a thing.  We visited it once, I didn't quite get the point of it but whatever.

(https://i.imgur.com/HcrHU81.jpg)

Oddly enough, it's across the street from the Fed building which has a nice museum (closed now).  You can watch millions of dollars of currency being schlepped around by robotic fork lifts.  They don't allow cameras inside.

(https://i.imgur.com/wbmbdyA.jpg)

The Mitchell House is upper left almost hidden in the trees (not the taller brick building, those are condos).  The Fed bldg has some interesting security features one can see from the park around it.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 17, 2020, 09:35:04 AM
Did they burn down?


:)
no, but unfortunately a couple of them closed due to retirements and COVID
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 17, 2020, 09:59:11 AM
I wonder how many Cincy chili places exist outside the Cincy metro area.  I think there are some in C-bus, and some in Florida.

I went to a Gold Star my first night in Cincy in 1980 expecting to get chili.  Disappointed.  Majorly.  Didn't try it again for many years.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2020, 10:02:58 AM
I've only ever seen Cincy chili on Food Network shows.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 17, 2020, 10:19:47 AM
Obviously, it's different, and if one is expecting "normal" chili, you will be sadly disappointed.  Once I accepted that it was NOT chili, I found it to be "OK" and would order it every so often (and add hot sauce).  
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 17, 2020, 11:19:03 AM
I'd like to try it although I'm not big on pasta
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 17, 2020, 11:42:07 AM
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Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 17, 2020, 12:26:44 PM
We went out and got red hots, deep dish pizza, and then one day they took me to a Greek place.  I'd had Greek food before, and knew I'd like it, but for some reason I'd never had dessert at any Greek restaurant.  They ordered some baklava and it looked a little weird to me, but I've always been willing to try pretty much anything.  From the moment I bit into it, I knew I'd found ambrosia from the gods, and I knew it would be my favorite dessert for the rest of my life. 

I don't eat it much, I don't eat any sweets all that often, but sometimes I'll go out of my way to stop by my favorite Greek place in town to snag some baklava.  And it tastes as delicious today as it did back then.
I can't stand baklava. It's so cloyingly sweet that more than one bite is way too much for me. 

I do love Greek food, and one of the things I miss about Chicago was how ubiquitous good gyro sandwiches were. Seemed like just about little lunch joint had them, and they were all good. 

Good Greek food isn't exactly impossible to find here in SoCal, but not particularly easy either. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 17, 2020, 12:34:04 PM
I'm not really into sweets

baklava isn't one of my favorites
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: SFBadger96 on November 17, 2020, 12:42:31 PM
I can't stand baklava. It's so cloyingly sweet that more than one bite is way too much for me.

I do love Greek food, and one of the things I miss about Chicago was how ubiquitous good gyro sandwiches were. Seemed like just about little lunch joint had them, and they were all good.

Good Greek food isn't exactly impossible to find here in SoCal, but not particularly easy either.

Agree on both Greek food generally, and baklava specifically. I love Greek food.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 17, 2020, 12:44:32 PM
I can't stand baklava. It's so cloyingly sweet that more than one bite is way too much for me.

I do love Greek food, and one of the things I miss about Chicago was how ubiquitous good gyro sandwiches were. Seemed like just about little lunch joint had them, and they were all good.

Good Greek food isn't exactly impossible to find here in SoCal, but not particularly easy either.

Greektown is about done. The restrictions are killing them - even places like Greek Islands are talking about closing, and Santorini. Many are already gone.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 17, 2020, 01:04:09 PM
I don't eat it much, I don't eat any sweets all that often, but sometimes I'll go out of my way to stop by my favorite Greek place in town to snag some baklava.  And it tastes as delicious today as it did back then.
Same here don't eat sweets very much but good baklava is tough to pass up.Also Egg Nog from T'Giving thru to the new year
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 17, 2020, 01:08:03 PM
Greektown is about done. The restrictions are killing them - even places like Greek Islands are talking about closing, and Santorini. Many are already gone.
The one our family always went to was The Parthenon, which I heard closed a few years ago under a cloud of rumor... 

When I took my wife to Chicago last fall, we went to Greek Islands. The best Greek place we can find here is a little family chain of I think 3 locations in the Long Beach area called George's. It's very good, and for my wife who grew up in that area, it's her standard for Greek. But even she said the Greek Islands blew it out of the water. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2020, 01:14:15 PM
Same here don't eat sweets very much but good baklava is tough to pass up.Also Egg Nog from T'Giving thru to the new year
Now you're speaking my language!

As long as it's homemade eggnog of course.  I can't stand the storebought stuff.

I still have about a quart of nog from last year's final batch.  We'll likely make another batch Thanksgiving weekend, and I'll do a vertical to compare the aged version versus the fresh.  I've done it before and the aged does well, but it also loses some of its body.  The structure holds up better on the fresh stuff.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2020, 01:20:32 PM
I can't stand baklava. It's so cloyingly sweet that more than one bite is way too much for me.

I do love Greek food, and one of the things I miss about Chicago was how ubiquitous good gyro sandwiches were. Seemed like just about little lunch joint had them, and they were all good.

Good Greek food isn't exactly impossible to find here in SoCal, but not particularly easy either.

It's definitely sweet but I don't find it to be cloyingly so.  It's far more natural, IMO, compared to modern desserts, candy, and treats.  I like the honey/syrup and the nuts.  It's just a very old-world kind of food, compared to modern cakes and pies and cookies which are just way over the top for me.  But there's certainly a reason why it comes in those tiny little triangles, a little goes a long way.  But for me, that's true of anything sweet.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: SFBadger96 on November 17, 2020, 01:22:00 PM
If you're expense accounting, or if you want to put down some of your own money for a great meal in San Francisco, Kokkari is excellent.

When I used to work late a lot and eat dinner at the office, the only restaurant that recognized me was the little Greek grill right across the street. Years after I stopped working there, I walked in and the guy recognized me and made me what I always ordered (verifying it with me, of course, but he still knew).
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 17, 2020, 01:24:19 PM
Yeah I like baklava because it isn't as sweet as other desserts. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 17, 2020, 01:27:38 PM
If you're expense accounting, or if you want to put down some of your own money for a great meal in San Francisco, Kokkari is excellent.
Was there many years ago, completely agree. It's great stuff. 

Oddly while I was there I saw this group of extremely tall [and mostly African-American] young men all going to a table together. Apparently it was St John's basketball team which was out in SF to play [I think] St Mary's. Wish I had realized it at the time because I might have tried to find Gene Keady who was an assistant or consultant with the program at the time. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 17, 2020, 01:35:49 PM
The one our family always went to was The Parthenon, which I heard closed a few years ago under a cloud of rumor...

When I took my wife to Chicago last fall, we went to Greek Islands. The best Greek place we can find here is a little family chain of I think 3 locations in the Long Beach area called George's. It's very good, and for my wife who grew up in that area, it's her standard for Greek. But even she said the Greek Islands blew it out of the water.
Yeah, if Parthenon didn't close, they were going to BE closed.

Santorini is my favorite. Costa's used to be.

I've been to George's. It's not bad at all.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 17, 2020, 01:37:27 PM
Our Turkish friend notes that Greek food is really just Turkish food.

Greek yogurt was popularized by a Turk.  Now it's hard to find nonGreek yogurt.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2020, 01:52:08 PM
Can your Turkish friends explain "Why did Constantinople get the works?"

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 17, 2020, 01:57:50 PM
Can your Turkish friends explain "Why did Constantinople get the works?"
It's none of your business.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 17, 2020, 02:22:03 PM
Can your Turkish friends explain "Why did Constantinople get the works?"


I have not asked.  We were supposed to go there with him in April.  That didn't happen of course.  Now he wants to go to Egypt, and the wife wants to as well.

For the waters?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 17, 2020, 02:32:23 PM
What is American food, other than eggs for breakfast?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 17, 2020, 03:03:02 PM
What is American food, other than eggs for breakfast?
Chop suey and General Tso's Chicken.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 17, 2020, 03:22:55 PM
What is American food, other than eggs for breakfast?
One could say corn with some basis in fact and history.  Europeans really don't eat corn.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 17, 2020, 03:25:04 PM
Egg Foo Young then.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 17, 2020, 03:29:44 PM
What is American food, other than eggs for breakfast?
couple Greek families here had "american" food cafes.  Specialized in breakfast
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 17, 2020, 03:45:51 PM
Eggs.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 17, 2020, 03:48:06 PM
eggs, toast, pancakes, waffles, hashbrowned taters, sausage gravy, and coffee are cheap.

good profit margin on breakfast
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2020, 03:49:37 PM
You forgot grits, wonderful grits.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2020, 03:51:17 PM
BBQ is pretty much American.  There are other regions around the globe that have dishes they refer to as "BBQ," but indirect slow-smoked big hunks of fatty stringy meat are fairly unique to the USA.  I've certainly never seen it as a local staple elsewhere in the world.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 17, 2020, 03:57:19 PM
no grits up here

some good hash

some good corn meal mush

(https://conniefiskfoodadventures.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/img_2384.png)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 17, 2020, 03:57:22 PM
https://germanfoods.org/recipes/german-barbecue-recipes/

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2020, 04:08:26 PM
https://germanfoods.org/recipes/german-barbecue-recipes/


From your link:

"What would a barbecue be without a great sausage hot dog topped with sauerkraut and mustard accompanied by potato salad and pickles and washed down with a refreshing glass of beer? "

Uhhh, no.  That's not BBQ.

Hence my point about many regions around the world having foods they refer to as "BBQ" but none are the American style of slow-smoked indirect heat for huge hunks of poor animal cuts.


There's something called "Korean BBQ" too, which is delicious-- but it's not BBQ.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 17, 2020, 04:10:21 PM
My buddy Franz has a smoker.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 17, 2020, 04:11:16 PM
What is American food, other than eggs for breakfast?
Walleye,Perch in beer batter
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2020, 04:13:01 PM
My buddy Franz has a smoker.
How very American of him. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 17, 2020, 04:13:33 PM
1. My goal for 2020 was to lose 10 pounds. Only have 14 to go.

2. Ate salad for dinner.  Mostly croutons & tomatoes. Really just one big round crouton covered with tomato sauce, and cheese. FINE, it was a pizza.... OK, I ate a pizza! Are you happy now?

3. How to prepare Tofu:

  a.  Throw it in the trash
  b.  Grill some meat, chicken or fish


4. I just did a week's worth of cardio after walking into a spider web.

5. I don't mean to brag, but I finished my 14-day diet food supply in 3 hours and 20 minutes.

6. A recent study has found women who carry a little extra weight live longer than men who mention it.


7. Kids today don't know how easy they have it. When I was young, I had to walk 9 feet through shag carpet to change the TV channel.

8. Senility has been a smooth transition for me.

9. Remember back when we were kids and every time it was below zero outside they closed school? Yeah, Me neither.


10. I may not be that funny or athletic or good looking or smart or talented. I forgot where I was going with this.

11. I love being almost 80, I learn something new every day and forget 5 other things.

12. A thief broke into my house last night. He started searching for money so I woke up and searched with him
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2020, 04:14:59 PM
Walleye,Perch in beer batter
Mmmmmm.

We don't get walleye here, but I ate a ton of it whilst living/working in Minnesota many years back.

I also wish we could get amberjack here, so tasty.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 17, 2020, 04:21:56 PM
Now you're speaking my language!

As long as it's homemade eggnog of course.  I can't stand the storebought stuff.

I still have about a quart of nog from last year's final batch. 
 
Even pasturized how does that happen - Freezing?I've never made it mom use to though we have some local creamery/dairy that makes it,damn good.It's the only time I don't drink coffee black either
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 17, 2020, 04:22:38 PM
 great sausage hot dog 
well, a great sausage hot dog would certainly have been smoked.  Even of you're going to put it on the grill to warm it up and add a few marks
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 17, 2020, 04:25:38 PM
Yeah, the Germans smoke a lot of meats/cuts, but you're not going to find a cut like brisket over there very often.

That goes into the grind for burgers.
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 17, 2020, 04:27:28 PM
Quote from: utee94 on Today at 01:52:08 PM (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/in-other-news-18271/msg282597/#msg282597)
Quote
Can your Turkish friends explain "Why did Constantinople get the works?"


It's none of your business.
I don't get it
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 17, 2020, 04:29:20 PM
Yeah, the Germans smoke a lot of meats/cuts, but you're not going to find a cut like brisket over there very often.

That goes into the grind for burgers.
Evidently the East Carolina Que with spicy mustard is from the Tuetonic Types
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 17, 2020, 04:32:33 PM
They do a lot of pork there, that's for sure.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2020, 04:48:24 PM
Yeah, the Germans smoke a lot of meats/cuts, but you're not going to find a cut like brisket over there very often.

That goes into the grind for burgers.

They smoke a few things.  They don't make BBQ.  A smoked sausage in a hot dog, is not BBQ.  They certainly don't make anything like brisket or whole hog, which is what I'm pointing out as being "American" and yet you're arguing an incorrect viewpoint because... reasons?

:)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2020, 04:50:23 PM
Quote from: utee94 on Today at 01:52:08 PM (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/in-other-news-18271/msg282597/#msg282597)
I don't get it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo0X77OBJUg

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2020, 04:52:14 PM
Even pasturized how does that happen - Freezing?I've never made it mom use to though we have some local creamery/dairy that makes it,damn good.It's the only time I don't drink coffee black either
Nah don't need to freeze it.  Just refrigerated.  It keeps, more or less.

Alton Brown did an episode on it, you could watch it and see what he has to say, he usually explains the science really well.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 17, 2020, 04:55:29 PM
Evidently the East Carolina Que with spicy mustard is from the Tuetonic Types
That is more South Carolina.  Eastern Carolina is vinegar based.

https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/58486/eastern-north-carolina-bbq-sauce/

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2020, 05:03:27 PM
That's a lotta vinegar.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 17, 2020, 05:30:27 PM
From your link:

"What would a barbecue be without a great sausage hot dog topped with sauerkraut and mustard accompanied by potato salad and pickles and washed down with a refreshing glass of beer? "

Uhhh, no.  That's not BBQ.

Hence my point about many regions around the world having foods they refer to as "BBQ" but none are the American style of slow-smoked indirect heat for huge hunks of poor animal cuts.


There's something called "Korean BBQ" too, which is delicious-- but it's not BBQ.
I thought BBQ was anything, as long as it's slathered in "BBQ sauce"?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 17, 2020, 06:02:05 PM
I thought BBQ was anything, as long as it's slathered in "BBQ sauce"?
BBQ is anything that is slow cooked with offset heat, in effect, with or without sauce.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2020, 06:02:13 PM
I thought BBQ was anything, as long as it's slathered in "BBQ sauce"?
Good point.

The McRib is a fine BBQ sandwich. :)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 17, 2020, 06:03:13 PM
That's a lotta vinegar.
It is rather vinegary, another thing I adjusted to over time and came to like.  The pulled pork has a distinctive gray color and doesn't look very appetizing really.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2020, 06:37:43 PM
I don't like vinegar sauce on pulled pork, and I won't use it. When I smoke a pork butt I just capture the juices and reintroduce those when pulling and mixing the meat.

And also, when I smoke a pork butt, it always ends up with great color and a lot of barky bits, that I pull into the mix.  Not sure why the folks in Carolina wouldn't be able to do that.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 17, 2020, 09:15:08 PM
they do, but when it sits in a warmer for hours waiting in the buffet it turns grey
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 17, 2020, 09:16:25 PM
Cooking a whole pig is more popular in Carolina, but it's a lot tougher to get good flavor through the whole thing.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 17, 2020, 09:17:56 PM
popular in Hawaii as well

comes out kinda grey
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 17, 2020, 11:45:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo0X77OBJUg

What the hell was that - never saw/heard that in my life
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 18, 2020, 06:30:29 AM
They smoke a few things.  They don't make BBQ.  A smoked sausage in a hot dog, is not BBQ.  They certainly don't make anything like brisket or whole hog, which is what I'm pointing out as being "American" and yet you're arguing an incorrect viewpoint because... reasons?

:)
I posted that you will not find brisket there. They use it for hamburger - which is good. I do the same on occasion.

As for not doing BBQ, well, they do. Applying smoke and low levels of heat is BBQ. They do this. They just don't do it on cuts that take 18 hours.

They do make pork shoulder a lot. Poultry too. Not much in the beef department though.

Why is sausage not BBQ in Germany, but it is in Texas? I've had both and they are both stellar.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 18, 2020, 06:52:23 AM
I love vinegar, so obviously I love the Carolina sauce. I love pickles too.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 18, 2020, 06:56:20 AM
Also really like this stuff. 

https://www.southernliving.com/recipes/white-bbq-sauce

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Post by: utee94 on November 18, 2020, 08:01:55 AM
I posted that you will not find brisket there. They use it for hamburger - which is good. I do the same on occasion.

As for not doing BBQ, well, they do. Applying smoke and low levels of heat is BBQ. They do this. They just don't do it on cuts that take 18 hours.

They do make pork shoulder a lot. Poultry too. Not much in the beef department though.

Why is sausage not BBQ in Germany, but it is in Texas? I've had both and they are both stellar.
I've spent months in Germany.  Show me these BBQ restaurants if you insist they exist.

BBQ sausage is filler.  I cook it for others but don't bother eating it.

Brisket, ribs, pulled pork.  BBQ-- the American style and specific cuisine I've been talking about this entire time.
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Post by: utee94 on November 18, 2020, 08:04:27 AM
What is American food, other than eggs for breakfast?
I mean, you're the one that brought up eggs.  Those aren't American.  I've had eggs all over the world.

Cooking them in specific ways at specific times?  Okay, that might be American.

See what I'm saying, now? :)



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Post by: utee94 on November 18, 2020, 08:10:12 AM
Chop suey and General Tso's Chicken.
I also liked bwar's response here.  It's pretty on-point.  

We've altered the cuisines of lots of other countries and created uniquely American dishes.

"Chinese" food is often American.  Tex-Mex is American.  

Grits are not American because they're the same thing as polenta, which is not American.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 18, 2020, 08:17:39 AM
I've spent months in Germany.  Show me these BBQ restaurants if you insist they exist.

BBQ sausage is filler.  I cook it for others but don't bother eating it.

Brisket, ribs, pulled pork.  BBQ-- the American style and specific cuisine I've been talking about this entire time.
There's not many, just as there are not many in the US outside of the South and Texas.

The Germans I know (4 families) all have smokers and they all smoke meats. I don't know what else to say. They do it over there.

Lots of European countries do smoked meats as I understand it, mostly East. My understanding is that the Czech's had a lot of influence on CenTex BBQ, and maybe still do?
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Post by: utee94 on November 18, 2020, 08:24:47 AM
There's not many, just as there are not many in the US outside of the South and Texas.

The Germans I know (4 families) all have smokers and they all smoke meats. I don't know what else to say. They do it over there.

Lots of European countries do smoked meats as I understand it, mostly East. My understanding is that the Czech's had a lot of influence on CenTex BBQ, and maybe still do?
The Czechs and Germans brought us sausage.  That's their contribution. :)

I'm glad your German friends are so progressively American though, good on them.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 18, 2020, 08:25:59 AM
Reminds me of the server who asked if I wanted my smoked salmon medium rare or medium.

I think smoking is a different, though related process, to BBQ.  You can smoke a ham to preserved it for example, it's not BBQ.

And of course there is salt curing, my granddad did both smoke and salt cured hams, which we call country ham.  He taught it to the Italians.

https://www.thespruceeats.com/what-is-prosciutto-1328662
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 08:28:03 AM


BBQ sausage is filler.  I cook it for others but don't bother eating it.
(https://i.imgur.com/9AzlAQn.png)




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Post by: utee94 on November 18, 2020, 08:29:56 AM
Not BBQ, but the Czechs also brought us the kolache and the klobasnek, for which I am eternally grateful.

Although arguably the klobasnek actually IS American, as many accounts have them originating here, albeit from Czech bakeries.  Which would make sense, as when I was in the Czech Republic I saw plenty of kolaches in bakeries, but didn't see any klobasnek over there.

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Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 08:32:02 AM
There's not many, just as there are not many in the US outside of the South and Texas.

The Germans I know (4 families) all have smokers and they all smoke meats. I don't know what else to say. They do it over there.

Lots of European countries do smoked meats as I understand it, mostly East. My understanding is that the Czech's had a lot of influence on CenTex BBQ, and maybe still do?
Smoking has been around for time eternal Native American smoked meats

(https://i.imgur.com/mfgsX5N.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1QtH3FU.png)
https://www.offthegridnews.com/off-grid-foods/long-term-meat-preservation-the-native-american-way/



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Post by: utee94 on November 18, 2020, 08:32:17 AM
Reminds me of the server who asked if I wanted my smoked salmon medium rare or medium.

I think smoking is a different, though related process, to BBQ.  You can smoke a ham to preserved it for example, it's not BBQ.

And of course there is salt curing, my granddad did both smoke and salt cured hams, which we call country ham.  He taught it to the Italians.

https://www.thespruceeats.com/what-is-prosciutto-1328662
Yes, a lot of people seem to think that smoke-curing is the same as smoke-BBQing, but they're two different processes for two different purposes.

Even more people think grilling is BBQing, but everyone around here is smart enough to know the difference, so we won't talk about that.
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 08:38:36 AM
Ed Zachery though some don't know how to cook proper chili - so we won't talk about that either
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 08:41:35 AM
The Czechs and Germans brought us sausage.  That's their contribution. :)

I'm glad your German friends are so progressively American though, good on them.
Perhaps but the Poles/Italians/Slovenians/Hungarians might want a word with you.Though the Gerries may have arrived much sooner - you like that word?Slovenian Easter Sausage they make here in Cleveland is just......you have to try it
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 18, 2020, 08:49:35 AM
There is a neat book out called "Salt" that goes through its history and how critical it was back in the day to nearly every aspect of life, especially the military.

Preserving food is an obvious necessity when you have hard winters.  A lot of Southern food is derived from the need for preservation without refrigeration.

Smoking meats was of course an alternative to using salt.  Food is pretty interesting, history thereof etc.

We dined at the French place last night with our neighbor the physicist.  Good stuff.
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 08:55:09 AM
Smoking meats was of course an alternative to using salt.  Food is pretty interesting, history thereof etc.
I've found food comes in handy - no matter what form
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Post by: utee94 on November 18, 2020, 09:01:47 AM
There is a neat book out called "Salt" that goes through its history and how critical it was back in the day to nearly every aspect of life, especially the military.

Preserving food is an obvious necessity when you have hard winters.  A lot of Southern food is derived from the need for preservation without refrigeration.

Smoking meats was of course an alternative to using salt. 
Food is pretty interesting, history thereof etc.

We dined at the French place last night with our neighbor the physicist.  Good stuff.

In the South it was also a way of cooking outdoors, to keep from heating up the kitchen and consequently the entire house, in the pre-air-conditioning days.  That's another reason why BBQ is so prevalent in the South versus other places in the USA.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 18, 2020, 09:09:05 AM
My granddad had a smoke house, really a shed, for smoking meat (ham).  They'd wrap the hams in a burlap kind of white cloth and hang them and smoke the place up.  He also salt cured hams as well, sometimes doing both, the result was delicious.

Back in the day, the kitchen was often a separate building because of the danger of fire, at least for larger houses.  Of course the poor lived in a one or two room "shack" and were glad to have it.  

Those folks lived lives full of work.
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 09:14:34 AM
In the South it was also a way of cooking outdoors, to keep from heating up the kitchen and consequently the entire house, in the pre-air-conditioning days.  That's another reason why BBQ is so prevalent in the South versus other places in the USA.
Smoking was prevelant everywhere as a good fire was hard to maintain(even with a smokehouse) when the cold Candadian winds come by and stuck around.So smoke as much as possible during the moderate weather when game was easily accessible
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 18, 2020, 10:12:46 AM
We stayed three days in Marquette, MI on the waterfront.  There was a fish smoking place just west of the motel, and they had some awesome stuff.

The wife still talks about it.  Thill's and Sons.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g42441-d7119448-r229279818-Thill_s_Fish_House-Marquette_Upper_Peninsula_Michigan.html
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 10:21:50 AM
The Golden Flashes put it on the Zips to the tune of 69-35 thumping last nite in Maction taking the Wagon Wheel trophy from rival Akron
Kent State (3-0, 3-0 Mid-American Conference) is off to its best start since 1958.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 18, 2020, 10:24:54 AM
Rauchbier goes well with American BBQ, I'll say that :72:
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 18, 2020, 10:26:18 AM
Now I'm hungry, might venture over to Fox Bros. for lunch.
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 10:27:09 AM
We stayed three days in Marquette, MI on the waterfront.  There was a fish smoking place just west of the motel, and they had some awesome stuff.
My brother was stationed for quite a few years at KI Sawyer AF Base as a AT Contoller.He loved it even in the winter as he had a 4 wheel drive Chevy Pick Up and made money on the side plowing during those bad winters.The base is now decommisioned but still used as a county airport I believe
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 10:28:06 AM
Rauchbier goes well with American BBQ, I'll say that :72:
I've had that - unique I guess is the word
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Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2020, 10:30:15 AM
Also really like this stuff.

https://www.southernliving.com/recipes/white-bbq-sauce


nope

I'd try it, but doubt I'd really like it much
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Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2020, 10:30:34 AM
What the hell was that - never saw/heard that in my life
not clicking on that
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Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2020, 10:31:54 AM

BBQ sausage is filler.  I cook it for others but don't bother eating it.

Dude,

I'll eat it.
sides and salads are filler
Not good sausage
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Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2020, 10:33:40 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/9AzlAQn.png)





Amen
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 18, 2020, 10:34:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo0X77OBJUg


What the hell was that - never saw/heard that in my life
not clicking on that
Some people just have no culture.
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 10:38:05 AM
Some people just have no culture.
No RauchBier or Blind Robins for YOU
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Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2020, 10:40:17 AM
I've had some smoked beers

as with any beer, some are better than others, but none were so bad I couldn't get them sown
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Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2020, 10:41:29 AM
I'm not a big Herring fan, but I'll eat them while hunting or ice fishing if I get hungry enough
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 18, 2020, 10:47:44 AM
Ugh... Thought I was having problems with the new amp in the Jeep after redoing the sound system. So I packaged it up, sent it off to Alpine (along with a $95 service fee b/c I bought it cheaper off Amazon and not from an authorized seller), and figured everything would be repaired and good as new.

Nope. Came back as No Trouble Found. Of course it did. Because I'm usually the one on the other side where a customer tells me something's wrong and we get the drive back and it's behaving perfectly. 

Wonder if it's the head unit just not putting anything out on those channels. Guess I'm back to the drawing board on troubleshooting. 
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Post by: utee94 on November 18, 2020, 10:51:48 AM
Rauchbier goes well with American BBQ, I'll say that :72:
Indeed it does. Grodsizkie does, too!
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Post by: utee94 on November 18, 2020, 10:52:51 AM
Ugh... Thought I was having problems with the new amp in the Jeep after redoing the sound system. So I packaged it up, sent it off to Alpine (along with a $95 service fee b/c I bought it cheaper off Amazon and not from an authorized seller), and figured everything would be repaired and good as new.

Nope. Came back as No Trouble Found. Of course it did. Because I'm usually the one on the other side where a customer tells me something's wrong and we get the drive back and it's behaving perfectly.

Wonder if it's the head unit just not putting anything out on those channels. Guess I'm back to the drawing board on troubleshooting.


My first two EE questions are always-- is it plugged in, is it turned on? :)
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 10:53:20 AM
Ugh... Thought I was having problems with the new amp in the Jeep after redoing the sound system. So I packaged it up, sent it off to Alpine 
No RauchBier or Blind Robins for your Jeep either
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Post by: utee94 on November 18, 2020, 10:58:14 AM
No RauchBier or Blind Robins for your Jeep either
Live Oak does a version of their Oktoberfest using smoked malts, it's called Smoketoberfest.  Quite tasty.
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Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2020, 10:58:57 AM
can I buy that on-line?
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Post by: utee94 on November 18, 2020, 10:59:43 AM
Nope, available at the brewery only, and only during Sept/Oct.
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Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2020, 11:01:45 AM
btw, I tried a 6 pack of the SHINER HOLIDAY CHEER

Brewed by Spoetzl Brewery 

Winter Seasonal Beer5.4% ABV22 IBU

A moderately dark German-style wheat beer with a banana-and-clove yeast character, supported by a toasted bread flavor.

_______________________________________________

tastes a bit too much like cough syrup for me
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 11:02:44 AM
Live Oak does a version of their Oktoberfest using smoked malts, it's called Smoketoberfest.  Quite tasty.
With the Virus spiking perhaps they should send all of that up here I'll make sure it's quarantined proper
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Post by: utee94 on November 18, 2020, 11:10:57 AM
btw, I tried a 6 pack of the SHINER HOLIDAY CHEER

Brewed by Spoetzl Brewery

Winter Seasonal Beer5.4% ABV22 IBU

A moderately dark German-style wheat beer with a banana-and-clove yeast character, supported by a toasted bread flavor.

_______________________________________________

tastes a bit too much like cough syrup for me


I'm not a fan.  In general, the Spoetzl Brewery has become too macro for me.  I'll occasionally drink a Shiner Bock out of nostalgia, but now they've cheapened the ingredients and use a lot of corn adjunct, and it comes through really strong in the flavor profile.
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Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2020, 11:15:00 AM
I like to try different beers

figured I'd give the Shiner boys a chance with the 6er

I'll be giving something different a chance next time
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Post by: utee94 on November 18, 2020, 11:59:25 AM
Yeah, worth a shot.  I know a couple of people that really like Shiner Cheer.  For me, it definitely tastes medicine-y, as well. I'd guess it's coming from liquid flavoring extracts, a cheaper way to induce flavors into beer than going the natural routes.  bwar could explain it much better than I can.
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 12:37:20 PM
Well just leave out Istanbul and the Turks and the larks that sing about it
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Post by: utee94 on November 18, 2020, 12:40:39 PM
Can't believe you've never heard of They Might Be Giants.

You can think of them as a bit like a modern day Kingston Trio.

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Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2020, 01:09:00 PM
do they have a #1 hit similar to " Tom Dooley "?
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 18, 2020, 01:15:40 PM
My first two EE questions are always-- is it plugged in, is it turned on? :)
Crap... I knew I forgot something!
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Post by: SFBadger96 on November 18, 2020, 02:29:02 PM
Can't believe you've never heard of They Might Be Giants.

You can think of them as a bit like a modern day Kingston Trio.


They're olllllddddd. Not like us whippersnappers.
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Post by: GopherRock on November 18, 2020, 02:31:57 PM
Nah, I don't think They Might Be Giants ever sang about a man going to the gallows.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 18, 2020, 02:35:39 PM
Second Hand Lions was fun.

Had lunch here, highly recommended.

https://pastadapulcinella.com/#home-section
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Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2020, 02:45:41 PM
Nah, I don't think They Might Be Giants ever sang about a man going to the gallows.
how about a #1 hit?  regardless of storyline
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Post by: utee94 on November 18, 2020, 02:51:07 PM
how about a #1 hit?  regardless of storyline
Not as far as I know.

They did have a #3 hit in 1990.

Got any other irrelevant questions I can answer for you?
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 18, 2020, 03:02:52 PM
Nah, I don't think They Might Be Giants ever sang about a man going to the gallows.
Does a guillotine count?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJRR3Ltm_sw
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Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2020, 03:03:36 PM
Not as far as I know.

They did have a #3 hit in 1990.

Got any other irrelevant questions I can answer for you?
Burnt Eye's mailing address?

He's on my Christmas card list
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 03:45:00 PM
Not as far as I know.

They did have a #3 hit in 1990.

Got any other irrelevant questions I can answer for you?
No - a number 3,3 decades ago and a LongHorns fan is irrelevance enough
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 03:47:02 PM
He's on my Christmas card list

I'm on some lists but they don't begin with Christmas
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Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2020, 03:57:42 PM
so I've heard
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Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2020, 04:02:49 PM
The majority of American sports fans are waiting for the arrival of a COVID-19 vaccine before they feel comfortable returning to the bleachers, according to a new study conducted this past weekend.

Two-thirds of the survey respondents said they would not attend an indoor sporting event without a vaccine -- even if masks and social distancing measures were being enforced in the arena. Among respondents who identified themselves as sports fans, 60% said they were waiting for a vaccine.

For outdoor sporting events, 58% of all respondents said they also were waiting on a vaccine rather than trusting personal protective equipment or social distancing to keep them safe in a large crowd.

The survey, conducted by Seton Hall University's Sharkey Institute, collected answers from 1,506 adults from across the country. The responses were collected from Nov. 13 through Nov. 16 -- roughly one week after Pfizer announced that an early trial showed it had developed a COVID-19 vaccine that was more than 90% effective.

A similar poll conducted in April, weeks after the sports world came to a sudden halt, found that 72% of Americans were unwilling to attend any kind of sporting event (indoor or outdoor) without the availability of a vaccine.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 18, 2020, 04:15:09 PM
I'm on some lists but they don't begin with Christmas
Can't spell Christmas without an S, H, I or T.
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Post by: Mdot21 on November 18, 2020, 04:51:16 PM
speaking of Christmas, I've been trying to get a new Xbox or Playstation for my little nephews for Christmas but it's literally impossible thanks to manufacturing/supply chains in China being screwed up by the China Virus and these god damn things only being sold online and not in stores- why they are selling only online- god knows why and I have no idea. 

Anyway, apparently there are these computer programs called bots- which basically attack retail websites 24/7 and add items a cart and checkout instantly- and these computer nerds use these bots to collect street wear and exclusive sneakers to either keep or resell them and price gouge the living shit out of people on resell markets like eBay or Amazon and sell things at 5-10x retail price- and these asshole nerds have been turning their shoe bots to retailers to buy up all the already limited supply of Xbox/PS units. I saw an article where one person bought literally over 30 PS5 with bots and has been selling something that retails for $499 on eBay for like $2k a pop.

I completely gave up trying basically right away as it's impossible. Instead of buying them the brand Xbox/PS bought them Nintendo Switch with a bunch of Mario games.

Having said all this, I would seriously like to injure these sneaker bot nerds- and I have no idea why these retail sites and/or US law makers don't do something about these dumb ass bots and price gouging on eBay/Amazon. It baffles me actually.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 18, 2020, 05:01:05 PM
My brothers are game nerds. You want me to investigate a source? They seem to be able to get things others can't, through connections.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 18, 2020, 05:02:58 PM
speaking of Christmas, I've been trying to get a new Xbox or Playstation for my little nephews for Christmas but it's literally impossible thanks to manufacturing/supply chains in China being screwed up by the China Virus and these god damn things only being sold online and not in stores- why they are selling only online- god knows why and I have no idea.

Anyway, apparently there are these computer programs called bots- which basically attack retail websites 24/7 and add items a cart and checkout instantly- and these computer nerds use these bots to collect street wear and exclusive sneakers to either keep or resell them and price gouge the living shit out of people on resell markets like eBay or Amazon and sell things at 5-10x retail price- and these asshole nerds have been turning their shoe bots to retailers to buy up all the already limited supply of Xbox/PS units. I saw an article where one person bought literally over 30 PS5 with bots and has been selling something that retails for $499 on eBay for like $2k a pop.

I completely gave up trying basically right away as it's impossible. Instead of buying them the brand Xbox/PS bought them Nintendo Switch with a bunch of Mario games.

Having said all this, I would seriously like to injure these sneaker bot nerds- and I have no idea why these retail sites and/or US law makers don't do something about these dumb ass bots and price gouging on eBay/Amazon. It baffles me actually.
I suspect the retail sites, if they wanted, could try to detect and restrict bots. But I don't know what lawmakers could do. 

You know how to stop this? Don't pay $2K on eBay for a $500 item. But sadly, people are willing to do so.
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Post by: Mdot21 on November 18, 2020, 05:12:41 PM
I suspect the retail sites, if they wanted, could try to detect and restrict bots. But I don't know what lawmakers could do.

You know how to stop this? Don't pay $2K on eBay for a $500 item. But sadly, people are willing to do so.
Oh I'm not that stupid, trust me- I would never pay $2k for a $500 retail item. I have no idea why people are willing to do that.  Blows my mind. I think some are just desperate to get stuff for their kids for Christmas.

The retail sites really don't give a shit. They have zero incentive to stop the bots. As long as a sale is made and they collect their money- they don't give a rats ass. Why would they spend more money on IT/programmers to try to stop the bots- which in turn adds to their overhead and eats into their profit? Which let's be honest- the profit is all they care about. They don't give a shit about their customer.

The government can pass strict laws against them and the re-selling of items bought with bots- and enforce it. Hammer a nerdy botter or two and make examples out of them and throw the book at them and send them to prison for a couple years and the entire thing would crumble. These teenage nerds and jagoffs who live in moms basement aren't looking to do jail time.
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Post by: Mdot21 on November 18, 2020, 05:16:51 PM
My brothers are game nerds. You want me to investigate a source? They seem to be able to get things others can't, through connections.
Sure. I'd appreciate it, but don't waste their time or yours too much. My guess is they won't be able to do much. There is a very limited supply because of the China Virus screwing up production/supply chains and then the demand is enormous- and then you have the bots buying up literally everything instantly because the people who use the bots have them set up to basically attack the retailers websites 24/7- so as soon as any stock goes live on their sites they are basically instantly gone.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2020, 05:28:30 PM
if the government can crack down on folks reselling toilet paper and hand sanitizer, they could arrest these asshats
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Post by: utee94 on November 18, 2020, 05:39:02 PM
No - a number 3,3 decades ago and a LongHorns fan is irrelevance enough
If you think 3 decades ago is a long time, you should ask Fearless when the Kingston Trio charted their #1 hit about a man dying at the gallows!
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 05:42:40 PM
My brothers are game nerds. You want me to investigate a source? They seem to be able to get things others can't, through connections.
Ya by showing him the Benjamins
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 05:44:00 PM
If you think 3 decades ago is a long time, you should ask Fearless when the Kingston Trio charted their #1 hit about a man dying at the gallows!

They also sang about the good ship Rueben James also
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Post by: utee94 on November 18, 2020, 05:53:53 PM
My favorite Kingston Trio song is MTA.  

But I also have a lot of love for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8-BI89mb9A


Kinda reminiscent of 2020, no?
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 18, 2020, 05:57:19 PM
Eh. It's arbitrage. 

We've seen the exact same thing with concert tickets for decades. 

But on what legal principal can you declare that property which you have purchased cannot be resold? 
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Post by: utee94 on November 18, 2020, 06:15:27 PM
Eh. It's arbitrage.


That's my absolute favorite Beastie Boys tune!
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Post by: Mdot21 on November 18, 2020, 06:21:36 PM
Eh. It's arbitrage.

We've seen the exact same thing with concert tickets for decades.

But on what legal principal can you declare that property which you have purchased cannot be resold?
They government has made bots illegal in concert ticket sales and cracked down on US companies that were buying tickets bots and then re-selling. Which has just caused a lot of them to move their base of operations out of the country. 

This was a big international business where people were making millions of dollars using bots to buy concert tickets all over the world and than re-sell them and make millions.

The street-wear/sneaker/ps5/xbox thing is teenage nerds in moms basement on twitter/youtube. It could be cracked down and shut down in two seconds flat.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 18, 2020, 07:02:00 PM
They government has made bots illegal in concert ticket sales and cracked down on US companies that were buying tickets bots and then re-selling. Which has just caused a lot of them to move their base of operations out of the country.

This was a big international business where people were making millions of dollars using bots to buy concert tickets all over the world and than re-sell them and make millions.
Did they even move out of the country?

Or is it just unenforceable?

https://queue-it.com/blog/ticket-bots/


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5. Has legislation been effective?
Enforceability isn’t easy
Enforceability is an ever-present issue with ticketing legislation. Just because a law is on the books doesn’t mean it’s followed. Strong enforcement is necessary to curb illegal behavior.
Indeed, when the Ontario ban originally passed, attorney general Yasir Niqvi acknowledged (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/scalper-bot-law-1.4447388) the difficulty of enforcing the bot ban, as many bot operators are located outside of the province. He cited the 50% resale cap as an easier enforcement tool. Two years later, in 2019, Ontario’s government rolled back (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-scalpers-ticket-resale-cap-ford-1.5098924) the 50% resale cap, saying it wasn’t enforceable.   
Similarly, in the U.S. the BOTS Act’s bark has been worse than its bite. The Federal Trade Commission—the agency tasked with enforcing the law—couldn’t comment on any instances of enforcement (http://web.archive.org/web/20190903201830/https://www.king5.com/article/news/nation-world/why-federal-law-hasnt-stopped-online-ticket-scalpers-from-cheating/507-563962209) since the BOTS Act’s passage.
And even when the law was passed, the Congressional Budget Office judged it unlikely (https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52064) that any enforcement would take place.
“CBO estimates that [revenues from civil penalties] would be insignificant because of the small number of cases that the agency would probably pursue.”
The financial incentives are too lucrative
Using bots to scalp tickets is a perfect example of rent-seeking behavior (http://freakonomics.com/podcast/live-event-ticket-market-screwed/) (economist talk for leeching) that adds no benefit to society. But as long as there’s a secondary market to sell tickets at markups of over 1,000% (http://www.ag.ny.gov/pdfs/Ticket_Sales_Report.pdf), bad actors will fill the void to take advantage.
Indeed, the U.S. ticket resale market alone has ballooned to $5 billion (https://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/04/online-ticket-resellers-the-surreptitious-rise-of-the-online-scalper.html). Ticketmaster reported that it blocks 5 billion bot attempts (https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8478525/ticketmaster-responds-senate-letter) every month. The financial incentive is simply too strong and the threat of legal action too weak to stop malicious bot operators.
Legislation can’t keep up with the technology
In such a rapidly evolving space, legislation becomes outdated as soon as it’s passed. The U.S. BOTS Act, for example, doesn’t appear to apply to people who purchase tickets where they’ve only used bots to reserve the tickets (as Denial of Inventory bots do). The newest iteration of bots will continue to outpace and outmaneuver the legal roadblocks. 
It’s clear that the ticketing industry cannot rely on legislation to solve the ticketing bot problem. The onus remains on venues, ticketing organizations, and online platforms to defend against malicious bots during online ticket sales. And companies that aren’t perceived as doing enough to battle bots are playing with fire. Public outrage can quickly turn on such organizations, and potential legal actions can follow in its footsteps.
Sounds from that like there has never been a single enforcement case against the people behind bots. Maybe that's because it went overseas. Or maybe that's because it's a toothless law?


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The street-wear/sneaker/ps5/xbox thing is teenage nerds in moms basement on twitter/youtube. It could be cracked down and shut down in two seconds flat.
I'm not sure I believe in this either. How many teenage nerds have access to the sort of capital or credit necessary to pull this off at a large scale? 

Teenage nerds are known more for access to time than to capital. It might not even be bots. It might be hordes of them spending countless hours clicking "refresh" on sites trying to find stock and order 1 or 2 of something with the expectation of resale, rather than bots who might be able to collect 10-20 units. Especially at the order of something like a PS5 or XBox where 20 units might run you 10 grand...

You might have a bunch of guys like me or utee, who are old and successful enough nerds that we have significant access to credit, who do something like this on the side. But I'm pretty sure it's not teenage nerds in mom's basement. 
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Post by: bayareabadger on November 18, 2020, 11:37:38 PM
if the government can crack down on folks reselling toilet paper and hand sanitizer, they could arrest these asshats
I think they politely asked Big Tech to do that, and Big Tech did because it was good PR. 

What would they be arrested for? Commerce. 
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Post by: bayareabadger on November 18, 2020, 11:40:14 PM
I suspect the retail sites, if they wanted, could try to detect and restrict bots. But I don't know what lawmakers could do.

You know how to stop this? Don't pay $2K on eBay for a $500 item. But sadly, people are willing to do so.
This seems like kinda basic economics. These things are to a degree under priced. Or at least underpriced if the scarcity is turned up. A lot of folks will balk at $2K, and that's supply and demand working to perfection. 

And at some point, they'll burn through people willing to pay $2k and have to dump them, or someone will dump $500 versions back on the market and mildly patient people will get them. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 19, 2020, 07:52:22 AM
Sure. I'd appreciate it, but don't waste their time or yours too much. My guess is they won't be able to do much. There is a very limited supply because of the China Virus screwing up production/supply chains and then the demand is enormous- and then you have the bots buying up literally everything instantly because the people who use the bots have them set up to basically attack the retailers websites 24/7- so as soon as any stock goes live on their sites they are basically instantly gone.
Good guess.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 19, 2020, 12:49:51 PM
in other news............ the weather here in NW Iowa is unseasonably awesome

I'm leaving the office to play 18 holes in shorts

can't remember doing that on November 19th

Cooler is packed with Bud Heavy

FORE!!!
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 19, 2020, 01:01:06 PM
Miss Noonan,miss
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: GopherRock on November 19, 2020, 01:35:39 PM
Will be going for a bike ride later this afternoon. Very nice here in MSP. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 19, 2020, 02:08:45 PM
63°F here and sunny, about to take a walk and throw the baseball a bit on the tennis courts practice wall.  I bought a rubber ball today.

I'm supposed to be back to normal December 10.  I still have some deep ache in the shoulder when I do certain movements, part of the therapy.
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 19, 2020, 02:33:10 PM
67 and breezy - I'll take it
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 19, 2020, 03:08:13 PM
Had to make a Costco run this morning. Place was PACKED. 

And my streak of picking the slowest cashier line is still going strong!
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 19, 2020, 03:16:58 PM
Had to make a Costco run this morning. Place was PACKED.

And my streak of picking the slowest cashier line is still going strong!
Hoarding?
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 19, 2020, 03:21:36 PM
Hoarding?
There was no toilet paper or paper towels to be found. Not that I was going to buy any--I'm not a hoarder. 

Other than that, the place was pretty well stocked. It wasn't like the start of the pandemic where meat and canned goods were completely gone. 
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Post by: Mdot21 on November 19, 2020, 03:24:58 PM
Had to make a Costco run this morning. Place was PACKED.

And my streak of picking the slowest cashier line is still going strong!
Costco's in SFL are always like that. Love the products and deals in Costco but it's too packed for me. I'm way too impatient to deal with those lines and the swarm of people.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 19, 2020, 03:29:11 PM
We usually go on "off days", which are Mon-Wed, and don't wait at the pumps long nor in check out lines for long, maybe 3 minutes, it can seem long.  The problem is I see some gorgeous 80" TV for $1300 and want it.

The good news is I own some COST stock which has been very good for me.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 19, 2020, 03:31:30 PM
Costco's in SFL are always like that. Love the products and deals in Costco but it's too packed for me. I'm way too impatient to deal with those lines and the swarm of people.
With WFH, I usually try to get there on a weekday morning when I don't have meetings. It was far more busy this morning than I'm used to. 

I don't want to go near the place on the weekends.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 19, 2020, 03:34:59 PM
Stores here are starting to limit numbers on things, to stave off the hoarders that will be down soon, from up North.
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 19, 2020, 03:43:45 PM
Costco's in SFL are always like that. Love the products and deals in Costco but it's too packed for me. I'm way too impatient to deal with those lines and the swarm of people.
The closest one to me is in West Palm which is 35 minute drive. For that reason I probably only go once every couple months which is different from my old house in Michigan which was 2 miles away and I spent a fortune in there every two weeks. You’re absolutely right though the one in West Palm is so crowded it’s absolutely ridiculous
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 19, 2020, 03:45:51 PM
We have not yet been down here - there are two in Fort Myers but that's a PIA.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on November 19, 2020, 03:46:57 PM
in other news............ the weather here in NW Iowa is unseasonably awesome

I'm leaving the office to play 18 holes in shorts

can't remember doing that on November 19th

Cooler is packed with Bud Heavy

FORE!!!
I believe last year it was News Years Eve day or possibly the day before, me and my 3 friends that make up our foursome, played 18 holes in shorts in Northern Ohio, just 1 mile from Lake Erie. That was awesome!
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 19, 2020, 03:48:51 PM
I believe last year it was News Years Eve day or possibly the day before, me and my 3 friends that make up our foursome, played 18 holes in shorts in Northern Ohio, just 1 mile from Lake Erie. That was awesome!
You out in Huron?
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 19, 2020, 03:52:31 PM
The closest one to me is in West Palm which is 35 minute drive. For that reason I probably only go once every couple months which is different from my old house in Michigan which was 2 miles away and I spent a fortune in there every two weeks. You’re absolutely right though the one in West Palm is so crowded it’s absolutely ridiculous
I've got about 5 Costcos within about a 10 mile radius. 
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Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on November 19, 2020, 03:53:07 PM
You out in Huron?
Yup, Thunderbird North that day. 
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 19, 2020, 04:03:53 PM
That's the only course that close to the lake I can think of - maybe Sweetbriar in Avon Lake was the other one
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Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on November 19, 2020, 04:18:41 PM
That's the only course that close to the lake I can think of - maybe Sweetbriar in Avon Lake was the other one
I played that a couple of years ago. Nice course.

Do you live in the Cleveland Metro area?
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 19, 2020, 04:22:30 PM
West suburbs
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Post by: utee94 on November 19, 2020, 04:24:19 PM
Stores here are starting to limit numbers on things, to stave off the hoarders that will be down soon, from up North.
Gotta hate those Northerners coming down and invading your home in Florida, dontcha? :)
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 19, 2020, 04:47:36 PM
I believe last year it was News Years Eve day or possibly the day before, me and my 3 friends that make up our foursome, played 18 holes in shorts in Northern Ohio, just 1 mile from Lake Erie. That was awesome!
How was the wind?
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 19, 2020, 04:48:52 PM
Gotta hate those Northerners coming down and invading your home in Florida, dontcha? :)
Hey, I'm a permares now. We do not own a home anywhere else. Those people are going to come down here as trained hoarders.
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Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on November 19, 2020, 05:05:49 PM
How was the wind?
Barely blowing at all. The sun was out, the temps hit the low 70's and as I said, hardly a breeze. One of the most beautiful days to play golf other than the very limited daylight hours. 
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Post by: FearlessF on November 19, 2020, 07:02:54 PM
beautiful day, little wind

greens were fuzzy, so where the fairways, but it was beautiful

beer was cold, sun was warm
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Post by: CWSooner on November 19, 2020, 07:03:38 PM
I recommend The Taste of Conquest: The Rise and Fall of the Three Great Cities of Spice (https://www.amazon.com/Taste-Conquest-Three-Great-Cities-ebook/dp/B001J1S88U), by Michael Krondl.

Lots of description of what the 1% ate 500 years ago.

Overwhelmingly, the spice was pepper, to cover up the taste of food gone bad.

EDIT: I thought I quoted CD's comments about Salt when I posted this.  Anyway, this was in response to that.
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Post by: CWSooner on November 19, 2020, 07:09:18 PM
Also really like this stuff.

https://www.southernliving.com/recipes/white-bbq-sauce
Here's a quote:

Quote
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.95)]Next time you’re talking ‘cue in Alabama memorize these three little words: Alabama white BBQ sauce.[/color]

Math class must have been interesting.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 19, 2020, 07:25:02 PM
My favorite Kingston Trio song is MTA. 

But I also have a lot of love for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8-BI89mb9A


Kinda reminiscent of 2020, no?
"Merry Minuet," one of my favorites from the Trio.
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Post by: utee94 on November 19, 2020, 08:25:59 PM
"Merry Minuet," one of my favorites from the Trio.
Yeah I have no idea why the Youtuber didn't title it correctly.  It was just the first one I pulled up whilst looking.

I sang it to my 13yo daughter after posting it here, and she was cracking up.  I asked why and she said, "you're singing about all these horrible things in such a cheerful way."  She gets it. :)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 20, 2020, 11:51:01 AM
Today, let’s remember one of the U.S. Army’s loudest (though not necessarily most dangerous) weapons of World War II. The T34 Calliope was a unique tank/rocket launcher combination that added two racks of rocket launchers to the turret of an ordinary Sherman tank. The result was an artillery piece that could dump up to 60 rockets on a target area, saturating it with nearly 260 pounds of high explosives.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a34716141/army-world-war-ii-tank-t34-caliope-rocket-launcher-history/ (https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a34716141/army-world-war-ii-tank-t34-caliope-rocket-launcher-history/)

American T-34 Tank - The Rocket Sherman - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srusVFgByjQ&feature=emb_logo)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 20, 2020, 12:15:49 PM
I'd imagine the A bombs were pretty loud.
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Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on November 20, 2020, 12:32:01 PM
I'd imagine the A bombs were pretty loud.
I was going to post that the A Bombs were weapons employed by the Air Force but then remembered that the Air Force didn't come into being until 1947. Being as the Air Corps was actually part of the Army during WWII and specifically 1945 when the 2 A Bombs were deployed, you are correct. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 20, 2020, 01:03:55 PM
My Dad was in the USAAF 1942-1945.

We only had two branches back then, Army and Navy.
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 20, 2020, 01:06:05 PM
Marine Corp?Was that Dept of the Navy?What about Coast Guard?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 20, 2020, 01:24:44 PM
The Coast Guard is the Vanderbilt of the armed forces, no?  Yeah, you're in the group, but just because.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 20, 2020, 01:26:37 PM
The Marine Corps (with an S) is still in the Department of the Navy.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 20, 2020, 02:31:18 PM
The Coast Guard is the Vanderbilt of the armed forces, no?  Yeah, you're in the group, but just because.
I know a lot of guys who are in the USCG. If you think it's easy, go ahead and sign up.
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Post by: FearlessF on November 20, 2020, 02:48:19 PM
(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s600x600/125833569_1349797608691667_6421818593618006820_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=2&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=YOnwN-CRQTIAX9NsjtY&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&tp=7&oh=fd662f56b3b4c1a678bda2dc72776583&oe=5FDCAF9A)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: SFBadger96 on November 20, 2020, 07:59:01 PM
Saw this in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel today. This is a direct quote from the president of the University of Wisconsin system (Tommy Thompson, former governor and Secretary of the Health and Human Services, I think, under W. Bush):

"You go to the university to learn, but you also go to the university to grow up. You go there to have fun, you go there to watch football, you go there to drink beer, to have a cup of coffee, to study and learn."

Let's take a moment to thank the system president for plainly stating that one of the reasons to go the University of Wisconsin is to drink beer.

It's just about 5pm here. Time for me to have a cocktail.

On Wisconsin.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 20, 2020, 10:21:37 PM
I was going to post that the A Bombs were weapons employed by the Air Force but then remembered that the Air Force didn't come into being until 1947. Being as the Air Corps was actually part of the Army during WWII and specifically 1945 when the 2 A Bombs were deployed, you are correct.
Ever since the Air Force came into existence as a separate service, we've had trouble winning serious wars.  The U.S. Army Air Forces were the greatest aerial weapon--relative to the first-rate competition it faced--of any air arm in history.
And the greatest amphibious invasion in history--Operation Overlord--was an Army-Navy thing too.  No need for any other services.
If it hadn't been for Belleau Wood, we might not have a U.S. Marine Corps today.  There were more soldiers than marines in that fight, but somehow the only story that got told to the American people was about the "Devil Dog" marines there.  And the whole "Teufel Hunden" story was fabricated too.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 20, 2020, 10:26:49 PM
The Coast Guard is the Vanderbilt of the armed forces, no?  Yeah, you're in the group, but just because.
The sharpest cadet I taught at West Point was a Coast Guard Academy exchange student.
The USCG used to be under Dept. of the Treasury control during peacetime (revenue cutters were a big thing) and Dept. of the Navy during wartime.
I think that their peacetime home these days is Dept. of Homeland Security.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 20, 2020, 10:32:13 PM
The Marine Corps (with an S) is still in the Department of the Navy.
As the Space Force <rollseyes> is under the Department of the Air Force.
The Army's outnumbered.
And administrative authority is split six ways (if you count the USCG) under three different sub-cabinet departments and a different cabinet department altogether during peacetime.
It's really something of a mess.  It's no wonder that we can't get to the bottom of who contracted for $300 hammers and $600 toilet seats.
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Post by: MarqHusker on November 20, 2020, 10:33:22 PM
If you're at all familiar w Tommy Thompson, like I am, you find this quote so befitting Thompson.  I can hear him yelling it out loud with his , , 'dems and 'dohs.  Many a time have been in his presence while he was Gov. and he's been doing the same. 

A quintessential Wisconsin ambassador. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 20, 2020, 10:41:21 PM
Saw this in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel today. This is a direct quote from the president of the University of Wisconsin system (Tommy Thompson, former governor and Secretary of the Health and Human Services, I think, under W. Bush):

"You go to the university to learn, but you also go to the university to grow up. You go there to have fun, you go there to watch football, you go there to drink beer, to have a cup of coffee, to study and learn."

Let's take a moment to thank the system president for plainly stating that one of the reasons to go the University of Wisconsin is to drink beer.

It's just about 5pm here. Time for me to have a cocktail.

On Wisconsin.

I mean, I sure as hell did. I didn't even know I would drink when I committed, but I figured it out soon enough.

I think that's a nice way to look at college, but one that isn't always the best. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 20, 2020, 11:45:18 PM
worked for me at UNL
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: SFBadger96 on November 21, 2020, 02:18:34 AM
I met Tommy a couple of times, once at a tailgate in Milwaukee, and once at his birthday party in Madison. He likes his beer as much as the next Badger. He's definitely one of the fellas. But also smart, and a good person (though I rarely agreed with his politics).

So yeah, this was a very Tommy Thompson comment, but I still enjoyed it. :-)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 21, 2020, 03:17:34 AM
I know a lot of guys who are in the USCG. If you think it's easy, go ahead and sign up.
Sigh.
Didn't say it was easy.  
I also doubt it's easy to be a Vandy football player.   


Thanks for misconstruing.  Weird hobby.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 21, 2020, 06:17:42 AM
Saw this in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel today. This is a direct quote from the president of the University of Wisconsin system (Tommy Thompson, former governor and Secretary of the Health and Human Services, I think, under W. Bush):

"You go to the university to learn, but you also go to the university to grow up. You go there to have fun, you go there to watch football, you go there to drink beer, to have a cup of coffee, to study and learn."

Let's take a moment to thank the system president for plainly stating that one of the reasons to go the University of Wisconsin is to drink beer.

It's just about 5pm here. Time for me to have a cocktail.

On Wisconsin.

Post of the year!!
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 21, 2020, 07:19:44 AM
In Europe, about 35% of HS grads go to college.  Here the figure is almost double that.

I think some of this is that our HS system is not as rigorous for that top third, and kids go to college to catch up on whatever they failed to learn in HS.

Another thing about college in Europe, you basically take ONLY courses in your major, you don't take English and history and liberal arts if you are a science major.  So, they get a more extensive study in the field of choice undiluted if you will by those make up courses.  They are assumed to have learned a foreign language in HS, and their own language, and history, etc., so they come out of college with a more extensive knowledge in their field of study.

We here have made college an egalitarian "experience" with kids below the mean in academic achievement attending.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 21, 2020, 08:19:24 AM


We here have made college an egalitarian "experience" with kids below the mean in academic achievement attending.
Indoctrination camps. :67:


Sorry... couldn't resist.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 21, 2020, 09:00:51 AM
printing degrees and raking money
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 21, 2020, 09:03:35 AM
Pretty much. I'd like to see that come to an end and rely on community colleges much more.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 21, 2020, 09:03:42 AM
The Coast Guard is the Vanderbilt of the armed forces, no? Yeah, you're in the group, but just because.
Just how is that supposed to be viewed tinkerbell?Not really a glowing endorsement and 847 called you on it(sigh)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 21, 2020, 09:04:04 AM
In Europe, about 35% of HS grads go to college.  Here the figure is almost double that.

I think some of this is that our HS system is not as rigorous for that top third, and kids go to college to catch up on whatever they failed to learn in HS.

Another thing about college in Europe, you basically take ONLY courses in your major, you don't take English and history and liberal arts if you are a science major.  So, they get a more extensive study in the field of choice undiluted if you will by those make up courses.  They are assumed to have learned a foreign language in HS, and their own language, and history, etc., so they come out of college with a more extensive knowledge in their field of study.

We here have made college an egalitarian "experience" with kids below the mean in academic achievement attending.

In the USA we're using colleges in ways that were never intended.  The classic liberal arts education was created to develop the sons of wealthy men into erudite and well-rounded business moguls and lawyers.  It was never intended to be vocational school for 70% of the population and it serves that purpose extremely poorly.

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Post by: FearlessF on November 21, 2020, 09:08:08 AM
Pretty much. I'd like to see that come to an end and rely on community colleges much more.
I certainly agree, but community colleges are in the same business
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 21, 2020, 09:09:25 AM
I certainly agree, but community colleges are in the same business
Not really. They offer vocational and technical degrees that can get you a good job with a degree or certificate. Can't get a good job with an art history degree.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 21, 2020, 09:39:33 AM
oh much better for getting a job and more practical

they still print degrees and rake money

I agree with you, I wish they were getting more kids and less kids were going to universities
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 21, 2020, 09:48:55 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/FuyWVMF.jpg)
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 21, 2020, 10:26:35 AM
Are you driving those around now?
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 21, 2020, 12:41:20 PM
It would be fun to drive one in a field, you can do that in places.

Tanks are interesting to me.
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Post by: FearlessF on November 21, 2020, 12:46:03 PM
I wish I had one

not quite practical enough for my budget
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 21, 2020, 01:08:14 PM
https://mashable.com/feature/generation-ships/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3gpsBChORJmkZmdljcXHpu-vs1TXfc6JpPDqJtzsKBOpvUXU6b8WHp-qM
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Post by: CWSooner on November 22, 2020, 02:29:15 AM
I'd rather fly a helicopter.

I'd really rather fly something like this.

(https://i.imgur.com/28gw0jC.jpg)
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Post by: bayareabadger on November 22, 2020, 02:34:56 AM
Not really. They offer vocational and technical degrees that can get you a good job with a degree or certificate. Can't get a good job with an art history degree.
This is a field that becomes sort of the peg for a mess of majors, but I'd be kinda curious how many people actually get those.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 22, 2020, 07:25:27 AM
I think the term "art history" does, as you say, mean a lot of majors with no direct application.  I never met a person who had one that I knew about.

My daughter majored in French and English and is a web site designer now making good money in C-bus.

Quite a few folks get kind of generic majors and go on to good jobs unrelated to said major.  My niece majors in psych and worked for an insurance company.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 22, 2020, 08:29:40 AM


Other worldly.

(https://i.imgur.com/RaHgQev.png)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 22, 2020, 08:38:53 AM
This is a field that becomes sort of the peg for a mess of majors, but I'd be kinda curious how many people actually get those.
There are 3 in my extended family alone, but they are all trust fund kiddies. One did get a job that paid. She worked in Philly, on the President-elect's campaign. Lots of connections, her immediate family has. One is a volunteer at a local museum. The other one is going for a PhD in Art History at Harvard.

Not all PhD's are equal, of course, but she will someday be referred to as "doctor". 
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 22, 2020, 08:41:55 AM
I wonder how one does "original research" in art history.  I guess it's possible obviously.

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Post by: FearlessF on November 22, 2020, 09:26:10 AM
I think the term "art history" does, as you say, mean a lot of majors with no direct application.  I never met a person who had one that I knew about.

My daughter majored in French and English and is a web site designer now making good money in C-bus.

Quite a few folks get kind of generic majors and go on to good jobs unrelated to said major.  My niece majors in psych and worked for an insurance company.
similar to folks that either dropped out of college w/o a degree or didn't attend college
as the guy from Wisconsin stated, going to college is more than obtaining a degree.
many kids grow up and learn a lot, learning many things not related to their major or even academics related.
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 22, 2020, 09:29:08 AM

Not all PhD's are equal, of course, but she will someday be referred to as "doctor".
(https://i.imgur.com/74HdspJ.png)
Calling Dr Howard,Dr Fine,Dr Howard
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Post by: bayareabadger on November 22, 2020, 10:17:23 AM
There are 3 in my extended family alone, but they are all trust fund kiddies. One did get a job that paid. She worked in Philly, on the President-elect's campaign. Lots of connections, her immediate family has. One is a volunteer at a local museum. The other one is going for a PhD in Art History at Harvard.

Not all PhD's are equal, of course, but she will someday be referred to as "doctor".
That fact is wild to me. I think my dad almost got one, but pivoted to something science-y and ended up nearly an engineer. 

Granted, when he went to college, working part time could pay for room, board and school. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 22, 2020, 10:24:02 AM
When you have $50 Mil in a trust fund, you can do whatever you want.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 22, 2020, 10:41:24 AM
I knew a few majoring in music.  I had a guy in the senior level chem lab I was teaching who was a trumpet major.  He said he liked chemistry.  He was a very good student.

Most of those folks were headed to med school at that point.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 22, 2020, 10:41:43 AM
Already annoyed this morning. 

Dog woke me up at 5:10 AM. Which, frankly, is only 20-35 minutes earlier than usual, but still. Hoped I could just take him out to potty and go back to bed, but 5 minutes later he was whining again to get up. 

So I thought, fine... At least this will allow me to try to get some tee times for next Sunday, because you can only book a week out. 

First grabbed my backup time at my local 18 hole executive. Positive was I was able to get a favorable time (8:40) for 4, and it's easy to cancel, so if nothing else I'll be playing. Negative is that it's only a 3600 yard course, is fairly boring, and I've played there every other week for the last 3 outings, so I'm a little tired of it. I wanted to find a full-length course.

I'd heard good things about the San Clemente municipal course. Checking their web site yesterday morning, I realized they don't open the next week's tee times up until 6 AM on the dot. So I refresh at exactly 6 on the dot and... First tee time available is after 1:00 PM. Little chance of finishing 18 this time of year, and it screws up my entire Sunday instead of just taking the morning. I guess the earlier times are only available to San Clemente residents to be booked a week ahead, which is fine as it's a muni course, but it would be nice if they told me that. It looks like they open them up wider 2-3 days prior to the target date, but that doesn't offer much planning.

So option 3 was a reasonable public course in Costa Mesa. I get onto their website, and boom, see a foursome available at 8:58 AM. Perfect! Try to register for an account... Can't register as it says I already have one for my email address--which would have been a decade+ ago, but ok. Go to the "forgot password" thing. Get my password reset, go back, and despite that only about 90 seconds had passed, they hadn't held my tee time and it's already gone, as is anything else before noon. Okay, so that's screwed... I go take the dog for a walk, get back, and see that a 7:41 has opened up, for 1 person. Try to get logged in and reserve it, and the web site waits, and waits, and waits, and it's gone. 

It's hard enough to find an affordable course in Orange County to begin with, but dammit not having decent web sites or transparent tee time policies is annoying af. 
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Post by: FearlessF on November 22, 2020, 10:51:29 AM
might want to try a phone call to the clubhouse
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 22, 2020, 01:18:38 PM

Other worldly.

(https://i.imgur.com/RaHgQev.png)
I wonder what messages astronauts have written in the sand, knowing it just remains there, permanently.  
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 22, 2020, 01:18:52 PM
CA has as many people as TX and GA combined.  That's nuts.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 22, 2020, 01:51:00 PM



I had not realized NY had dropped to fourth.  
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 22, 2020, 02:23:38 PM
A decade of near-zero growth vs 14% growth.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 22, 2020, 02:30:13 PM
When referring to naval guns, the term "caliber" refers to the length of the barrel relative to the diameter of the breech.  That same is true for tank guns as well.

For example, the USS North Carolina had 16" main guns in 45 calibers, while the Iowa class had 16" main guns in 50 calibers.

The latter developed more muzzle velocity.
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Post by: bayareabadger on November 22, 2020, 02:52:16 PM
When you have $50 Mil in a trust fund, you can do whatever you want.
If I did, I sure as hell would get into something more interesting. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 22, 2020, 05:03:50 PM
I think a person's muzzle velocity should be kept privately in the home.  
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Post by: Mdot21 on November 22, 2020, 05:15:59 PM
  • California (Population: 39,747,267)
  • Texas (Population: 29,087,070)
  • Florida (Population: 21,646,155)
  • New York (Population: 19,491,339)
  • Pennsylvania (Population: 12,813,969)
  • Illinois (Population: 12,700,381)
  • Ohio (Population: 11,718,568)


I had not realized NY had dropped to fourth. 
they are dropping even further bc of the China Virus. Nearly 500,000 people moved out of NYC alone in the 6 months after China Virus started. Majority of them came to Florida.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 22, 2020, 05:55:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qdYZAqL.jpg)

Guess where this was?  That was four years ago already.

(https://i.imgur.com/lRFB9L6.jpg)
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 22, 2020, 06:42:50 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/VqeBhCi.png)
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Post by: MrNubbz on November 22, 2020, 06:48:56 PM
Prophetic
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Post by: 847badgerfan on November 23, 2020, 08:41:37 AM
  • California (Population: 39,747,267)
  • Texas (Population: 29,087,070)
  • Florida (Population: 21,646,155)
  • New York (Population: 19,491,339)
  • Pennsylvania (Population: 12,813,969)
  • Illinois (Population: 12,700,381)
  • Ohio (Population: 11,718,568)


I had not realized NY had dropped to fourth. 
That's because they are all coming down here. Illinois is shrinking too. 
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Post by: utee94 on November 23, 2020, 08:45:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/qdYZAqL.jpg)

Guess where this was?  That was four years ago already.

(https://i.imgur.com/lRFB9L6.jpg)



I know that joint.  I was supposed to spend the weekend there about a month ago.  Stoopid coronas.


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Post by: Cincydawg on November 23, 2020, 09:10:40 AM
That was a lot of fun for me, not as much as baseball, but pretty close for one day and not very expensive.

They used to have a two day even in Vegas I was pondering with more teaching.  The racing capabilities of many four door sedans these days is astonishing to me, and I'm sure this applies to the BMWs and Mercedes et al. in this class.

I'm better at baseball than driving fast.
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 23, 2020, 09:34:51 AM
That was a lot of fun for me, not as much as baseball, but pretty close for one day and not very expensive.

They used to have a two day even in Vegas I was pondering with more teaching.  The racing capabilities of many four door sedans these days is astonishing to me, and I'm sure this applies to the BMWs and Mercedes et al. in this class.

I'm better at baseball than driving fast.
Where is that?  
When I purchased my V series Cadillac I got to race it at Monticello and that was a great experience. When I purchased one of my SRT vehicles I got to race it at Chicagoan Speedway both on the oval and threw a cross country track.
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Post by: FearlessF on November 23, 2020, 09:43:59 AM


I know that joint.  I was supposed to spend the weekend there about a month ago.  Stoopid coronas.



can't be Texas, folks are wearing jackets
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 23, 2020, 10:23:50 AM
The photos are at COTA.  The LV location is out of town a bit, I'm told, didn't check it out closely, was two days.

The ATS-V was, I thought, a more rational car, the CTS-V had almost too much power to be driven on city streets in my view, if that is possible to have.  It was crazy.

We had at the time a CTS with a four banger.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 23, 2020, 11:45:46 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54994814?fbclid=IwAR1FNRA9uxIzDBl6PWAWm3iuE69RPIAmmiBrJmrxQC63owLG_v7f2OoHw3o

Some good news about the planet's largest creature.
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Post by: utee94 on November 23, 2020, 11:56:48 AM
can't be Texas, folks are wearing jackets
Yup, like Cincy said, that's the Circuit of the Americas on the outskirts of ATX.  As I recall he was here sometime in winter or early spring, hence the jackets.

The Formula 1 United States Grand Prix was supposed to be October 23-25, but the coronas screwed that one up.
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Post by: FearlessF on November 23, 2020, 12:00:26 PM
don't blame them for not allowing yankees

those northerners would have been in shorts and shirt sleeves

Like me when I'm golfing in the winter down there
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Post by: utee94 on November 23, 2020, 12:01:52 PM
Yup I wear a hoodie or jacket if it dips below 70.

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Post by: Cincydawg on November 23, 2020, 12:02:36 PM
They had us drive it first in sections, like a sixth of the track at a time.  The back straight I hit around 140 mph before braking, hard, into a slower corner.  We also did skid pad and a slalom course.  

They change the brake pads and tires after each single day events.  It was hard for me to really get down on the brakes because my usual driving I try and be smooth, racing is more about controlled desperation at the edge.  
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 23, 2020, 12:06:51 PM
The tennis court area has a nice practice wall.  I've been throwing some into it of late.  It's nice to be able to throw without pain, still some deep pain in the joint.  I'm taking it easy with a rubber ball. It was coolish today, I wore a light jacket.

(https://i.imgur.com/nKYuEII.jpg)
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 23, 2020, 12:09:14 PM
Started watching this last night, not bad, about history of electricity.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x63y0pf
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Post by: FearlessF on November 23, 2020, 12:11:02 PM
I wore a light jacket today.  18 degrees when I left the house.

scraped some frost of the windshield before driving to work

high of 36 expected - rain over night, maybe 3/4".  We need moisture.  I much prefer rain to snow.

no need to push rain off the driveway 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 23, 2020, 12:57:31 PM
In other news........... Texas BBQ in the San Fran Bay area!!!

No, there's no indoor dining yet, but several picnic tables outside have prime views of three more smokers, all of them working slowly but surely to produce Horn's signature style of "West Coast Barbecue" with influence from Central Texas, the Black South, and his own California roots.

Anyone who knows their 'cue knows that the key to the most tender meat is time—hours upon hours of time. At Horn, the smoker fires up in the wee hours of day, and the brisket cooks for a solid 18 hours to reach melt-in-your-mouth perfection. Other specialties include hot links, beef ribs, pulled pork, spareribs, and even turkey (you can order a whole smoked bird for Thanksgiving takeout). Everything comes by the pound or in sandwich form. For the sides, Horn shares his Southern favorites: corn bread, potato salad, coleslaw, collard greens, and his grandma's signature potatoes. Nina Horn, Matt's wife, takes care of dessert in the form of sweet rum cake and banana pudding.

It all comes together for a neighborhood gem we can really sink our teeth into.

"It's been surreal to be open and to see all of the love and support for what we do," says Horn. "People have been extremely supportive, and we do not take that for granted."

// Horn Barbecue is open 11am till sold out Friday through Sunday; 2534 Mandela Pkwy. (Oakland),


https://www.7x7.com/first-taste-horn-barbecue-oakland-2648855795/particle-9 (https://www.7x7.com/first-taste-horn-barbecue-oakland-2648855795/particle-9)
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Post by: utee94 on November 23, 2020, 01:51:47 PM
Looks legit, maybe some of our bay area posters can check it out and report back.
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Post by: longhorn320 on November 23, 2020, 02:02:20 PM
now you got me hungry for some BBQ

door dash here I come
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: longhorn320 on November 23, 2020, 02:05:47 PM
This is where I get my BBQ fix

They do a decent job

https://www.springcreekbarbeque.com/
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 23, 2020, 02:06:03 PM
Yup I wear a hoodie or jacket if it dips below 70.
That's about the point we begin to sweat
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Post by: FearlessF on November 23, 2020, 02:44:20 PM
This is where I get my BBQ fix

They do a decent job

https://www.springcreekbarbeque.com/
can't be any good.  Too many locations, like a damned chain.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 23, 2020, 03:20:06 PM
While I'm against chains in general, I'm open to one being pretty good.  City BBQ is decent I think.
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Post by: longhorn320 on November 23, 2020, 03:20:15 PM
can't be any good.  Too many locations, like a damned chain.
Its terrible better not move to Texas
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 23, 2020, 03:20:59 PM
We just picked up Thanksgiving dinner, it's duck confit, not casoulet, with some kind of ravioli and haricot vert.

Which is a fancy word for green beans.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 23, 2020, 03:25:13 PM
We just picked up Thanksgiving dinner, it's duck confit, not casoulet, with some kind of ravioli and haricot vert.

Which is a fancy word for green beans.
Yeah, but they cost more. Because they're French, or something. :57:
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Post by: longhorn320 on November 23, 2020, 03:28:19 PM
Good BBQ brisket is no secret process

It just has to be done right

The rub used is very important

The pit needs to be wood burning

The wood should be Hickory although some places use Pecan and Mesquite

The art here is the temp of the fire and slow cooking until a masterpiece has been created
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 23, 2020, 03:33:07 PM
Bonedaddy's is a good enough chain BBQ place for me when I'm in Texas.

nice scenery and cold beer

I don't usually order the brisket there.  My brother does dern fine brisket.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 23, 2020, 03:38:10 PM
Its terrible better not move to Texas
I wouldn't dream of moving to Texas!

Now... Austin, maybe... :72:
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Post by: utee94 on November 23, 2020, 03:50:34 PM
Yeah, but they cost more. Because they're French, or something. :57:
Yes indeed. Much like polenta is the same thing as grits, except it costs more....
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 23, 2020, 03:56:06 PM
Yes indeed. Much like polenta is the same thing as grits, except it costs more....
I've lived in the South or around the edges of it for most of my life.  I like a most southern eats and drinks.
But I don't like grits.
For me, a nickel spent on grits is a nickel wasted.  As would be a dime spent on polenta.
I don't like fried okra, or black-eyed peas, or collard greens either.  That stuff is to feed to pigs, IMO.
If pigs would even eat it, that is.
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Post by: utee94 on November 23, 2020, 03:56:57 PM
Good BBQ brisket is no secret process

It just has to be done right

The rub used is very important

The pit needs to be wood burning

The wood should be Hickory although some places use Pecan and Mesquite

The art here is the temp of the fire and slow cooking until a masterpiece has been created

Rub is important in that it should be extremely simple.  Salt and pepper are all that's needed.  Here in Central Texico, that's referred to as "Dalmatian."

The primary wood for Centex BBQ is post oak.

Hickory/pecan (which are basically used interchangeably) works well for fowl, and for pork.

I never use mesquite for BBQ, it burns too hot and too fast, and its flavor is too intense for a long smoke.  It works great for direct grilling though.  The one exception to that, is when my boy scout troop was camping in Mexico for a week, on the grounds of a massive hacienda belonging to a big Boy Scouts of Mexico benefactor, alongside a local Mexican troop.  We spent a couple hours digging out two trenches, one where we burned down mesquite logs to coals, and one where we shoveled those coals under a couple of spits where we roasted several whole goat kids.  That BBQ'd cabrito is possibly the best food I've ever eaten in my life.



Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 23, 2020, 03:57:37 PM
I wouldn't dream of moving to Texas!

Now... Austin, maybe... :72:
Bite your tongue!
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 23, 2020, 04:25:05 PM
Fried okra is my favorite vegetable by far.

And of course I adore grits, and black eyed peas, and greens of whatever ilk.

Eating those things is why I grew up tall and handsome.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: SFBadger96 on November 23, 2020, 04:25:09 PM
Oakland has a lot of great food from other places, but it's not super convenient to me. Once I'm back to moving around a little for work, I'll find an excuse to have lunch over there...
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 23, 2020, 04:27:48 PM
Fried okra is my favorite vegetable by far.

And of course I adore grits, and black eyed peas, and greens of whatever ilk.

Eating those things is why I grew up tall and handsome.
:86:
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 23, 2020, 04:30:42 PM
so, there is a decent reason to eat those things
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 23, 2020, 04:31:44 PM
I like okra, both fried and stewed.  I like greens of every kind.  I like grits.  And I like polenta when I'm trying to impress fancy people like badgerfan.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 23, 2020, 04:35:19 PM
Even the wife likes grits and fried okra.  
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 23, 2020, 04:52:01 PM
grits make a good bed to put shrimp or Grillades or something on top of
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 23, 2020, 04:59:35 PM
I dislike ruining grits with shrimp.
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Post by: utee94 on November 23, 2020, 05:05:32 PM
Grits alone are good.  Grits with scrimps are good.

My mom makes a pretty amazing sausage cheese grit casserole that's a staple at most of our holiday meals.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 23, 2020, 06:25:32 PM
I make a grits with bacon and egg and cheese thing that should be similar.  I'm not really a fan of shrimp and grits.  For one thing, they charge through the nose for it around here as if it's haute cuisine.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 23, 2020, 06:28:55 PM
Grits, very buttered with bacon crumbles.  
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 23, 2020, 06:34:32 PM
Okra= ka-ka I could fry up old shoe laces and there'd be paying customers.Throw okra in a pot and it just tastes like the other ingrediants,but it's really kinda slimy - try it with Escargots or slug on the half shell
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 23, 2020, 11:45:09 PM
Never had proper okra obviously ...
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 23, 2020, 11:55:39 PM
Fried,steamed,sauteed - fried perhaps because it's crunchy and tastes like the breading.Okra pretty much sux right up there with kale.Sure I'll eat it because I'm spartan in my diet.You can sautee kale with olive oil and garlic with spices.but you're really covering it with the other ingredients
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 24, 2020, 01:23:21 AM
What you just described is the same with a grit, except that a grit has no taste at all.  It tastes like what you put on it.  Salt and pepper and butter?  It tastes like salt and pepper and butter.

I find pickled okra OK.  Not great, but OK.

Fried okra?  What a way to ruin perfectly good batter!
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 24, 2020, 06:45:12 AM
You guys are talking about two foods with little to no value.

Why would I ruin bacon and cheese by putting into a runny corn meal?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 24, 2020, 07:21:22 AM
So, I get this flyer in the mail for an AC inspection and such.

Guy comes out, pokes around and a bit later the wife comes into my office to get me. I'm thinking, oh shit...

And yep. The air handler is trashed. I wondered why it was laboring. Now I know. Full of growth and icky things.

So, new air handler, new AC unit, full on duct cleaning/sanitizing/sealing, R30 insulation in the attic.

It was cheaper to go new rather than replace parts. Plus, this comes with a 10 year warranty on parts and labor. It's a Champion system.

Another expense I did not expect right now. Damn.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 24, 2020, 07:24:55 AM
What you just described is the same with a grit, except that a grit has no taste at all.  It tastes like what you put on it.  Salt and pepper and butter?  It tastes like salt and pepper and butter.

I find pickled okra OK.  Not great, but OK.

Fried okra?  What a way to ruin perfectly good batter!
You guys are talking about two foods with little to no value.

Why would I ruin bacon and cheese by putting into a runny corn meal?
Hear,Hear
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 24, 2020, 07:27:42 AM
Yeah, I replaced one of our HVACs here a year back.  The good news is my electricity bills went down a lot.  The old unit was apparently garbage and laboring despite being five years old.  I got a quote first from Costco and the guy said $7400, as if that was a deal.  I got an independent guy replace it with a Bosch for $4700.

Maybe he found it fallen off a truck or something.

My October electricity bill was $68, I can live with that.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 24, 2020, 07:40:29 AM
I know the newer units at least with the 15 seer rating or above use DC motors,with converters on them.Evidently DC motors draw less current.94 being in the Nether regions and a EE could prolly elaborate
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 24, 2020, 07:53:32 AM
Yeah, I replaced our AC in Cincy with an 18 SEER unit that had a variable speed DC blower on it.

I don't know much about this new Bosch unit, it's running right now, fan speed seems constant to me.  It pulls heat out of water.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 24, 2020, 07:58:02 AM
22 SEER for our new one.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 24, 2020, 08:04:30 AM
Yeah, I replaced our AC in Cincy with an 18 SEER unit that had a variable speed DC blower on it. It pulls heat out of water.
Oh you have a heat pump,bitch to clean both coils - that I do every season
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 24, 2020, 08:07:22 AM
We have two AC units for this house.  I'm dreading the day I need to replace them.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 24, 2020, 08:20:46 AM
I don't know much about this new Bosch unit
I had a Bosch Tankless Water Heater which I loved  that A friend and I installed in 2006.Problem being the newer units have so many more components.That when one of those gadgets goes south after the 10 yr warranty is up it will cost as much to replace as tank.So even the savings on natural gas gets bested by price gouging for parts :banghead:
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 24, 2020, 08:31:50 AM
Oh you have a heat pump,bitch to clean both coils - that I do every season
The coils are not accessible.  My tech said the building at one time didn't service the water supply system and it clogged up a lot of coils requiring replacement.  I'm told it's scheduled now.  Somebody cleans out the main water supply system and heat exchanger/evaporator on the roof, or so I'm told.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 24, 2020, 08:43:28 AM
The new HVAC equipment will be installed today. Looking forward to seeing what that new stuff looks like, and also looking forward to energy savings.

Outside, we have power washing to prep for house painting. Then all fresh mulch will go down.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 24, 2020, 08:45:38 AM
The coils are not accessible.  My tech said the building at one time didn't service the water supply system and it clogged up a lot of coils requiring replacement.  I'm told it's scheduled now.  Somebody cleans out the main water supply system and heat exchanger/evaporator on the roof, or so I'm told.
If you have a HOA should look into that - maintenance is important.Amazing how many people never replace/clean filters.Or pull off the back panel on the fridge and vacuum that out.Though those coils are much easier to clean than the old models
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 24, 2020, 08:49:54 AM
We have a bldg "engineer" now, and I asked him if the building water evap system was cleaned out and he told me "It's on a schedule".  We do have an HOA, my monthly fees are rather steep because it's based on unit square footage.  But, it includes cable and internet and hot and cold water.  SO, it's about what I was paying for the house if you count the cost of painting it.

The upstairs unit is a Crane and my tech guy checked it out and said it was good to go.

Our fridge has the heat exchanger underneath, not in the back.  Had to replace that also.  If you buy an older house or condo, figure on replacing most things.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MarqHusker on November 24, 2020, 08:53:02 AM

Outside, we have power washing to prep for house painting. Then all fresh mulch will go down.
Just say no to mulch volcanoes!
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 24, 2020, 08:54:10 AM
These guys are really good.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 24, 2020, 08:59:37 AM

Our fridge has the heat exchanger underneath, not in the back.  Had to replace that also.  If you buy an older house or condo, figure on replacing most things.
I have an older house and I have no problem getting condensing or evap coils .There are specially designed stiff brushes that get under the front to the evap coil long/thin with short,stout bristles.or the back panel for condensing coil.You can use compressed air also - though that's dustyThere a videos on YT
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 24, 2020, 09:00:29 AM
I used to spend all spring mulching and planting and digging and mowing and trimming ....  not missing it at all.

I built these stone walls to level out the yard in places, we had huge pieces of flat limestone I'd run into digging to plant a tree.  I started digging just to find more stones.  Weird hobby.  That ended up being a nice backyard bordering on green space, I have a notion the new owner doesn't keep it up.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 24, 2020, 09:01:58 AM
These guys are really good.
Of course it's like when mom made a sandwich for you.It's usually better
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 24, 2020, 09:04:56 AM
I have an older house and I have no problem getting condensing or evap coils .There are specially designed stiff brushes that get under the front to the evap coil long/thin with short,stout bristles.or the back panel for condensing coil.You can use compressed air also - though that's dustyThere a videos on YT
This is a water source heat exchanger, so the coils carry water, and the unit is completely contained, I can see it in the back.  This says I can clean the inside of the coils with acid, which I won't do.  


https://www.behler-young.com/tech-tips/geothermal-tips/acid-cleaning-of-water-coil-water-source-heat-pumps
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 24, 2020, 09:10:05 AM
Better talk to your tech about that,you could if you have drip pan & a drain.Not real familiar with that.Suppose it would be like the coils on the tankless heater that i used a vinegar solution that i circulated inside a 10 gallon tote with a pump
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 24, 2020, 09:20:46 AM
There is no pan, no drain, solid concrete floors.

It's fed by pretty heavy braided flexible pipes, and the connections are so tight and rusted the tech couldn't get them off and left them for fear removal might crack the feeder pipes.

So, I could only get the hoses off at the unit, which doesn't work for this process.  I won't be doing it.  I might text him about it.

It's a neat set up really, the older condos here have units on the roof that heat exchange with air which isn't efficient.

There are newer towers near us that have some rather massive evaporators on the ground.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 24, 2020, 09:26:39 AM
Ya let a tech do it.Those connections even if you could get them off cleanly you could have the same  problem with the shut off  valves to isolate the unit.Rust,scale,sediment are a bitch.When you get new plumbing/ HVAC it's good to work the valves so they stay usable with time
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: GopherRock on November 24, 2020, 09:39:13 AM
If I want to eat brick mortar, I'll eat brick mortar instead of grits.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: GopherRock on November 24, 2020, 09:41:51 AM
So, I get this flyer in the mail for an AC inspection and such.

Guy comes out, pokes around and a bit later the wife comes into my office to get me. I'm thinking, oh shit...

And yep. The air handler is trashed. I wondered why it was laboring. Now I know. Full of growth and icky things.

So, new air handler, new AC unit, full on duct cleaning/sanitizing/sealing, R30 insulation in the attic.

It was cheaper to go new rather than replace parts. Plus, this comes with a 10 year warranty on parts and labor. It's a Champion system.

Another expense I did not expect right now. Damn.
I feel you on that one. I had to replace our entire HVAC system a week after my wedding. After paying for the lion's share of that, what's an HVAC system?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 24, 2020, 09:45:44 AM
Grits of course were a way to preserve corn prior to refrigeration, which is most of our history.

I'm watching an Amazon show about the history of electricity, it's pretty decent.  We rarely give a thought to how important, nay essential, various technologies are in our lives.  Without electricity, we're in the steam age again.  What tech do we have that isn't dependent on it?  Maybe drugs?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 24, 2020, 09:51:34 AM
I've eaten brick mortar.  Tastes nothing like grits.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 24, 2020, 09:56:42 AM
house is about 40 years old, I've been there 30 years.

Replaced my HVAC system about 5 years ago.

Hopefully, this one lasts 30 years.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 24, 2020, 09:57:27 AM
I've eaten brick mortar.  Tastes nothing like grits.

goofy Longhorns
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 24, 2020, 09:59:05 AM
Heck, I eat snails.  The only major food I dislike is liver, just really dislike it.

Any liver.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 24, 2020, 10:00:56 AM
liver is better than brains or Lutefisk

but, it's not my favorite, and I love onions
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 24, 2020, 10:02:34 AM
I've had brains, cow brains, and they are tasty, but I don't like the imagery.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 24, 2020, 10:05:26 AM
yup, I'd rather eat liver or tripe than brains
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 24, 2020, 10:12:45 AM
I've eaten brick mortar.  Tastes nothing like grits.
But it has taste?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 24, 2020, 10:22:09 AM
I've had brains, cow brains, and they are tasty, but I don't like the imagery.
I was watching bizarre foods and Zimmern the host was going down the Mississippi and hitting all the towns from Minny to the gulf(it could have been Fieri on D,D &D).I guess they still eat livestock brains but locals call it something else to get around regulations.like you I'm sure I'd like it if i could get past what it really is
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 24, 2020, 10:25:38 AM
yup, I'd rather eat liver or tripe than brains
Liver Eatin'Johnson agrees the Jeremiah Johnson movie was based on.Supposedly he ate the livers of the indians who killed his wife
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 24, 2020, 10:34:53 AM
But it has taste?
Not really.  Grits do though.  Taste like corn.  Imagine that!
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 24, 2020, 10:37:05 AM
I'll eat tripas or sesos or lengua.  Snails too.

I'm not a huge fan of liver on a plate, but I love goose liver or duck liver pate'.  And I'm always down for fried chicken livers.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 24, 2020, 10:37:34 AM
Hmm. Maybe having Covid 3 times killed my taste about 15 years ago, when I tried the slop. Tasted like nothing, without the butter, salt, pepper, cheese, etc.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 24, 2020, 10:39:32 AM
Hmm. Maybe having Covid 3 times killed my taste about 15 years ago, when I tried the slop. Tasted like nothing, without the butter, salt, pepper, cheese, etc.
Tastes like polenta because they're the same thing.  Both taste like ground corn.  You might or might not like the flavor of ground corn, or you might not find it to be a strong flavor, but there you have it.  That's what ground corn tastes like.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MarqHusker on November 24, 2020, 10:42:14 AM
I am open to eating all food. I won't order veal brains again.   I'm cool w offal and sweatbreads.  Didn't like the veal brain.  

It now joins tuna salad, tuna steak and butterfingers on my no go menu.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 24, 2020, 10:44:42 AM
I'm from southern Ohio so we took our polenta fried
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 24, 2020, 10:58:55 AM
I was watching bizarre foods and Zimmern the host was going down the Mississippi and hitting all the towns from Minny to the gulf(it could have been Fieri on D,D &D).I guess they still eat livestock brains but locals call it something else to get around regulations.like you I'm sure I'd like it if i could get past what it really is
Sweetbreads is the common name for it.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 24, 2020, 11:06:03 AM
I'm from southern Ohio so we took our polenta fried
we call that corn meal mush around here
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quite tasty
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 24, 2020, 11:17:48 AM
Tastes like polenta because they're the same thing.  Both taste like ground corn.  You might or might not like the flavor of ground corn, or you might not find it to be a strong flavor, but there you have it.  That's what ground corn tastes like.
I do my polenta in cubes and then deep fry. Much nicer texture that way.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 24, 2020, 11:21:06 AM
Heck, I eat snails.  The only major food I dislike is liver, just really dislike it.

Any liver.


Incl. foie gras?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 24, 2020, 11:27:24 AM
Love that stuff.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 24, 2020, 11:34:52 AM
in other news...........

Dow rallies more than 400 points to surpass 30,000 for the first time
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 24, 2020, 11:38:22 AM
The markets have traditionally performed better when there is a D president/administration. I expect this run to continue well into 2021. Of course, there will be choppiness. That's a sign of where we are with the virus.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 24, 2020, 11:52:13 AM
Incl. foie gras?
There is some in France I've had that is "OK", but it's not my favorite.

The wife loves the stuff.

The stock market is telling us something, I think, though it can be wrong of course.  This is about the vaccine.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 24, 2020, 12:44:02 PM
 Didn't like the veal brain. 

It now joins tuna salad, tuna steak and butterfingers on my no go menu.
Friend brought home some Tuna they caught on a charter off NY.Damn those tuna steaks flipped a few times in just butter.One of the best things I ever ate
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 24, 2020, 12:52:43 PM
Love foie gras.

There's a local French place that does it every bit as well as what I've had in France.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MarqHusker on November 24, 2020, 01:02:31 PM
Notice I didn't say sashimi or toro (tuna).    
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 24, 2020, 01:53:27 PM
for Nubbz in other news.........

Purdue Pharma pleaded guilty Tuesday to three criminal charges, formally admitting its role in an opioid epidemic that has contributed to hundreds of thousands of deaths over the past two decades.

In a virtual hearing with a federal judge in Newark, New Jersey, the OxyContin maker admitted impeding the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s efforts to combat the addiction crisis. Purdue acknowledged that it had not maintained an effective program to prevent prescription drugs from being diverted to the black market, even though it had told the DEA it did have such a program, and that it provided misleading information to the agency as a way to boost company manufacturing quotas.


https://apnews.com/article/purdue-pharma-opioid-crisis-guilty-plea-5704ad896e964222a011f053949e0cc0 (https://apnews.com/article/purdue-pharma-opioid-crisis-guilty-plea-5704ad896e964222a011f053949e0cc0)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 24, 2020, 01:57:24 PM
Pisses me off, because everyone would assume that Purdue University is somehow affiliated with this mess, whereas this company has no relationship with the university at all. 

https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2018/purdue-university-statement-re-purdue-pharma.html
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 24, 2020, 01:57:59 PM
I don't think that
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 24, 2020, 01:59:04 PM
Well I wasn't refering to that seedy part of Big Pharma but cane them if guilty.Hopefully Perdue Chicken isn't embarassing anyone
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 24, 2020, 02:49:56 PM
Hopefully Perdue Chicken isn't embarassing anyone
They are advertising a lot around here now, but it's confusing to me, they want me to vote for something instead of just buying their chicken.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 24, 2020, 03:44:09 PM
we call that corn meal mush around here
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quite tasty
Yeah we just call it fried mush and when I was little I was very confused
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 24, 2020, 03:46:54 PM
that's what my grandparents called it

my grandmother fried it for me many winter mornings.  Was good and warm after shoveling snow for the neighbors 4 or 4 hours and before walking 3 blocks to school
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 24, 2020, 04:44:40 PM
....uphill....both ways..... in 5 ft of snow
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 24, 2020, 04:45:37 PM
....uphill....both ways..... in 5 ft of snow
Both ways.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 24, 2020, 04:47:30 PM
Damn straight gotta learn how to spin a yarn
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 24, 2020, 05:12:05 PM
it was uphill in the morning, downhill in the afternoon

plenty of snow
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 24, 2020, 05:22:36 PM
Shut up who's telling this story
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 25, 2020, 08:46:43 AM
See, all you people eat grits, you just didn't know it. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: GopherRock on November 25, 2020, 09:05:43 AM
Into the wind both ways.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 25, 2020, 09:15:44 AM
While having to pee like a racehorse.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 25, 2020, 09:45:35 AM
probably why I've never had an issue with peeing outdoors, especially in the fairway or the first cut of rough
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: GopherRock on November 25, 2020, 09:48:55 AM
One of the critical skills of being on a survey crew is the ability to pee on the side of the freeway without anyone noticing.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 25, 2020, 09:52:43 AM
yup, did some surveying back in the 80's

check
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 25, 2020, 10:21:08 AM
probably why I've never had an issue with peeing outdoors, especially in the fairway or the first cut of rough
What, trying to keep your ball dry? 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 25, 2020, 10:41:25 AM
balls

trying to keep my balls dry
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 25, 2020, 10:47:04 AM
That being the case, don't piss into the wind.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 25, 2020, 10:48:58 AM
learned that walking back and forth to elementary school
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 25, 2020, 11:23:31 AM
That being the case, don't piss into the wind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XdzEV13E7g
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 25, 2020, 11:26:01 AM
What about tugging on Superman's cape?  Would he take exception to that?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 25, 2020, 11:37:28 AM
Superman is hiding in his basement.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 25, 2020, 11:49:49 AM
ripped up his knee..........

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/12/9c/dc/129cdc17c7655e47ae22805ce7ed03cf.jpg)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 25, 2020, 11:54:57 AM
What about the Lone Ranger and Tonto?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 25, 2020, 11:56:52 AM
the Lone Ranger is wearing his mask
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 25, 2020, 12:21:44 PM
I have no idea what you yokels are bantering on about,cabin fever and scotch appear to be rearing their ugly heads
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 25, 2020, 12:27:19 PM
gonna be broasted chicken wings, broasted taters, and Budweiser for me about 5:30

Grim Reaper sauce on the wings
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 25, 2020, 12:53:17 PM
Sent the kids back to mom's house, hit the range to hit a bucket, and then was going to hit up my butcher to get the big slab o' beef short ribs for tomorrow...

...but during COVID apparently they don't open until 10. So I'll have to make another trip later. Maybe I can use it as an excuse to get some unhealthy drive through. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 25, 2020, 07:21:28 PM
I hear eggs are really good for breakfast.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 25, 2020, 07:24:40 PM
along with kegs
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 25, 2020, 07:30:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lS8mqXn.jpg)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 26, 2020, 01:32:38 AM
I could say that If I had the guts to stand up to the egg lobby, I'd stop eating them.

Except I don't eat eggs for breakfast, for cholesterol reasons.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 26, 2020, 01:35:46 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/lS8mqXn.jpg)
Unusual view of Central Park.  Being from the north looking south.
Is that ice in the East River?
I don't know if it ices over in the winter.  Upriver 60 miles, the Hudson certainly does.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MarqHusker on November 26, 2020, 01:41:17 AM
Snow in Manhattan is nasty.  Golashes make perfect sense when you spend a minute in NYC in snow.  Dirty filthy mess.  
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 26, 2020, 06:04:05 AM
It may be ice on the shoreline.  This is from 1931.  
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 26, 2020, 10:09:42 AM
I could say that If I had the guts to stand up to the egg lobby, I'd stop eating them.

Except I don't eat eggs for breakfast, for cholesterol reasons.
I eat 20 MG of Simvastatin for lunch so I can eat whatever I like for breakfast
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 26, 2020, 10:21:40 AM
The correlation between cholesterol in the diet and cholesterol levels in the blood is rather dubious from what I've seen.

In a normal human, 70% of the cholesterol we need is generated by our bodies from other things, only 30% comes from diet.  That can get out of whack, and if you cut the dietary component to zero, your body may compensate by making more, and too much, potentially.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 26, 2020, 10:23:49 AM
probably a reason my doc didn't suggest I change diet and exercise

or he just thinks I'm a stubborn old man that would be good at healthy change in my lifestyle 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 26, 2020, 10:31:27 AM
I eat 20 MG of Simvastatin for lunch so I can eat whatever I like for breakfast
I'm on the same stuff,only I hardly take them,trying to start every other day.Though anything that might thin blood is supposedly good at combating Covid
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 26, 2020, 10:33:47 AM
There is some evidence that dietary iron is bad for males and post menopausal women.  It makes some sense to me.  Dietary iron is colocated, usually, with saturated fat and cholesterol.  So, folks were told to avoid cholesterol unduly, I think, when perhaps iron was the real culprit.

Iron has the ability to spawn free radicals which can be very damaging to tissues like blood vessels.  Usually it's carried by various and sundry things in the body so that doesn't happen.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 26, 2020, 10:33:57 AM
I've thought about taking less, but the doc seems to like the results and it's the lowest dose they prescribe.

zero co-pay at the Pharmacy, so it don't cost nuttin
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 26, 2020, 10:34:03 AM
The correlation between cholesterol in the diet and cholesterol levels in the blood is rather dubious from what I've seen.

In a normal human, 70% of the cholesterol we need is generated by our bodies from other things, only 30% comes from diet.  That can get out of whack, and if you cut the dietary component to zero, your body may compensate by making more, and too much, potentially.
Well then I'm glad I hardly take statins then - I guess.However there are indications that statins could cause memory problems - as the brain is 30% fat.So I do take fish oil
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 26, 2020, 10:34:53 AM
I am speaking rather speculatively, not with any intent to provide firm guidance.  I'd defer to any MD.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 26, 2020, 10:35:14 AM
so THAT's why I can't remember shit!
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MarqHusker on November 26, 2020, 12:16:33 PM
I see we've reached the AARP/geriatric portion of the thread. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 26, 2020, 12:30:48 PM
I don't feel old,I don't feel anything until noon-then it's time for my nap - Bob Hope
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 26, 2020, 12:32:45 PM
I am speaking rather speculatively, not with any intent to provide firm guidance.  I'd defer to any MD.
Well crap there goes my supplemental plan,how about investments :111:
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 26, 2020, 12:37:40 PM
I take 2 flintstones vitamins every few days.  
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 26, 2020, 12:41:12 PM
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shutupandtakemymoney.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F08%2Fflintstone-vitamins-coronavirus-meme.jpg&hash=4dad9d4c7ce1a7b537a181e3c156addb)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 26, 2020, 12:43:02 PM
Prolly snuck a Mr Slately in there
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 26, 2020, 12:46:49 PM
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Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 27, 2020, 02:04:45 PM
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Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 27, 2020, 03:35:13 PM
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Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 28, 2020, 05:45:06 AM
Yesterday here was very warm (70s) and the park was so crowded with folks we walked out of it and into a residential area where there were fewer people.  Most folks in the park had no mask and it was hard to maintain distances.

Monday's low is supposed to be 27°F, our first night below freezing, with a scant possibility of snow in the northern 'burbs.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 28, 2020, 06:08:37 AM
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/24/938736955/how-tall-is-mount-everest-hint-its-changing

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 28, 2020, 06:10:44 AM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775168/

Although researchers have made tremendous gains in understanding cardiovascular disease (CVD) over the past several decades, traditionally recognized risk factors such as cholesterol levels, blood pressure, smoking, obesity, and sedentary lifestyle only account for 50% of the incidence of heart disease. It is clear that aggressive approaches to correct elevated cholesterol levels and recommendations for modifying other coronary risk factors are not enough. With this in mind, recent researches have taken a sharp turn to identify other casual factors such as chronic infections and elevated iron levels. Iron is a key component in catalyzing the production of reactive radicals and causing oxidative stress and lipid peroxidation.[1 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775168/#ref1),2 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775168/#ref2),3 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775168/#ref3),4 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775168/#ref4)] Oxidative stress and lipid peroxidation have been linked to several pathologies, including atherosclerosis.[5 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775168/#ref5),6 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775168/#ref6),7 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775168/#ref7)]

Excessive iron has been proposed to be a potent risk factor for coronary heart disease (CHD), especially for acute myocardial infarction (AMI).[8 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775168/#ref8),9 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775168/#ref9),10 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775168/#ref10)] Supporting evidence comes from in vitro lipid peroxidation and lipoprotein modification studies,[11 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775168/#ref11),12 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775168/#ref12)] cholesterol-fed iron-overloaded animal models,[13 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775168/#ref13),14 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775168/#ref14)] and analyses of the composition of human atherosclerotic lesions,[15 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775168/#ref15),16 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3775168/#ref16)] although there is conflicting evidence regarding the relationship between iron and CVD.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 28, 2020, 06:13:30 AM
They determined that waste circumference had a stronger correlation with coronary heart disease than Ferritin or iron levels.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MaximumSam on November 28, 2020, 06:32:41 AM
They determined that waste circumference had a stronger correlation with coronary heart disease than Ferritin or iron levels.
"I crap bigger than you" just not as intimidating as it used to be
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 28, 2020, 07:36:17 AM
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-ev-suv-first-ride-review/?sm_id=organic_fb_AMAG_trueanthem&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=&utm_source=&fbclid=IwAR18Cuc_DMHKd29fyC0j_HLE1Cb3S17SRmiBcBFwqOssGlIzngAbiaCF3oo


I am not sure Ford made the right call calling this a "Mustang".  On the one hand, it associates the car with a very successful brand name.  On the other, it isn't "like" Mustangs of yore, except the ill fated Mustang II perhaps in ways.

Ford messed up the Thunderbird, IMHO, back in the day.

Either way, the EVs are coming, and I suspect many of us will own one before we drive our last mile.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MrNubbz on November 28, 2020, 09:12:08 AM
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/24/938736955/how-tall-is-mount-everest-hint-its-changing


I've read it gets higher a lttle each year,but I heard that in an Urban to Austin Thread
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 28, 2020, 10:00:40 AM
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-ev-suv-first-ride-review/?sm_id=organic_fb_AMAG_trueanthem&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=&utm_source=&fbclid=IwAR18Cuc_DMHKd29fyC0j_HLE1Cb3S17SRmiBcBFwqOssGlIzngAbiaCF3oo


I am not sure Ford made the right call calling this a "Mustang".  On the one hand, it associates the car with a very successful brand name.  On the other, it isn't "like" Mustangs of yore, except the ill fated Mustang II perhaps in ways.

Ford messed up the Thunderbird, IMHO, back in the day.

Either way, the EVs are coming, and I suspect many of us will own one before we drive our last mile.

Wow that thing is ugly.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 28, 2020, 01:11:26 PM
https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/the-biocentric-universe-theory-life-creates-time-space-and-the-cosmos-itself
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 28, 2020, 01:26:03 PM
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-ev-suv-first-ride-review/?sm_id=organic_fb_AMAG_trueanthem&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=&utm_source=&fbclid=IwAR18Cuc_DMHKd29fyC0j_HLE1Cb3S17SRmiBcBFwqOssGlIzngAbiaCF3oo


I am not sure Ford made the right call calling this a "Mustang".  On the one hand, it associates the car with a very successful brand name.  On the other, it isn't "like" Mustangs of yore, except the ill fated Mustang II perhaps in ways.

Ford messed up the Thunderbird, IMHO, back in the day.

Either way, the EVs are coming, and I suspect many of us will own one before we drive our last mile.
Just like a 4-door Thunderbird was not a Thunderbird, a 4-door Mustang is not a Mustang.
IMO, Ford messed up the Thunderbird twice--in 1958 ,when it went to 4 seats, then again in 1967 when it went to 4 doors.
The guy at Ford most responsible for the first mess-up was this fellow.

(https://i.imgur.com/E8NwCus.png)
When I teach the Vietnam War, I ask this question.

Would you trust the guy who changed this . . .

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into this . . .

(https://i.imgur.com/bt7rpjj.png)

to run a war?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 28, 2020, 01:28:48 PM
https://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/great-jupiter-saturn-conjunction-dec-21-2020
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 28, 2020, 03:06:55 PM
They determined that waste circumference had a stronger correlation with coronary heart disease than Ferritin or iron levels.
I've heard that's a huge thing... For men, keeping your waist <40" is the key, moreso than pretty much anything else. 

I'm obese per BMI, but at 6'5" I have a 38" waist, so I figure I'm still fine. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 29, 2020, 01:38:41 PM
The SEC is both normal and weird this year.  The normal is:

Bama is very good, Vandy is very bad.

Florida and A&M look to be pretty good, and Georgia now might be "good".

A few teams like Auburn might be mediocre, even LSU.  UK is "OK" for UK.  Everyone else would love to be mediocre.  Tennessee is bordering on epically bad.  USCe fired their coach and played hard last night but has too many injuries.  I thought the Vols might well improve to "pretty good" or at least good this year.  

Really good teams like Bama, Ohio State, Clemson dispense quickly with most opponents, they might have one bad game like OSU did with IU, but in the main, it's over by the half or earlier and they win 40 something to 10 something.

Notre Dame handled UNC yesterday after hanging around.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 29, 2020, 08:20:38 PM
Incidentally, I got some excellent feedback on my book from CWS who is a Civil War maven.  I really appreciate his taking his limited time to review and respond.  I have complete Book Two and started on Book Three, where I throw history to the winds to get into a what if scenario of major proportions.

As it happens, if the South "wins", they lose.  I'm still working on that aspect of it.

Alternate history.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 29, 2020, 10:01:16 PM
3rd book might not be popular below the Mason/Dixon
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 29, 2020, 11:12:27 PM
It is not a best seller.

Yet.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 29, 2020, 11:13:02 PM
Slavery was bad.

You read it here first.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 29, 2020, 11:32:27 PM
I concur.  Slavery was bad.

Still is, because it still exists.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 30, 2020, 12:47:19 PM
Not sure if anyone has read alternate history by Harry Turtledove.

I read one called The Guns of the South, which ended up being a sci-fi version of alternate history. A bunch of post-apartheid South Africans discover time travel, and decide that if they can just get the American Civil War to go the opposite direction, their own failed subjugation of blacks in South Africa won't have to end--so they supply the south with AK-47's. There's a lot more to it, and I realize that sounds ridiculous, but it's not a bad read.

A much better (and less fantastic) one was Ruled Brittania. Premise is that after the Spanish (rather than the English) wins the war in the late 1500's and conquers Britain. The story comes down to a young playwright who is tasked with writing a play that will cause the English to rise up and take back their nation from the Spanish... I'm sure you can imagine which young playwright is the star of the show lol...
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 30, 2020, 12:54:01 PM
Not sure if anyone has read alternate history by Harry Turtledove.

I read one called The Guns of the South, which ended up being a sci-fi version of alternate history. A bunch of post-apartheid South Africans discover time travel, and decide that if they can just get the American Civil War to go the opposite direction, their own failed subjugation of blacks in South Africa won't have to end--so they supply the south with AK-47's. There's a lot more to it, and I realize that sounds ridiculous, but it's not a bad read.

A much better (and less fantastic) one was Ruled Brittania. Premise is that after the Spanish (rather than the English) wins the war in the late 1500's and conquers Britain. The story comes down to a young playwright who is tasked with writing a play that will cause the English to rise up and take back their nation from the Spanish... I'm sure you can imagine which young playwright is the star of the show lol...
Read that in middle school. 

He did some follow ups that were kinda interesting, but they sidestepped the AK-47s.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 30, 2020, 01:01:23 PM
Yeah, I got into alternative history a bit, and then more into history and historical fiction.  It's a good way to learn history enjoyably with well done historical fiction.

I'm finding the "AH" stuff allows me to make up almost whatever I want as time progresses.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 30, 2020, 04:03:22 PM
in completely "other" news................

PORT CLINTON - Even as fishing in the “Walleye Capital of World” has certainly been living up to its name over the past two years, experts are projecting it could be on the verge of getting even better.

That capital, of course, is none other than Lake Erie, or even more specifically, its western basin, where the walleye population is reaching what scientists have described as “unprecedented” heights and is leading to incredible catch rates for anglers.

“Walleye fishing has never been better,” said Travis Hartman, a biologist with the Ohio Department of Natural Resources’ Division of Wildlife, about western Lake Erie.


Trawl surveys in western Lake Erie have documented enormous walleye hatches in 2015, 2018, 2019 and 2020.

Although 2020 is the smallest of those four examples, it is still considered another great hatch.

“Prior to 2015, I’d have been doing jumping jacks over our catches this year for young-of-year walleyes,” Hartman said. “We are in an incredible period of production.”


https://www.portclintonnewsherald.com/story/news/2020/11/09/walleye-hatches-leading-unprecedented-growth-phenomenal-fishing-lake-erie/6185408002/ (https://www.portclintonnewsherald.com/story/news/2020/11/09/walleye-hatches-leading-unprecedented-growth-phenomenal-fishing-lake-erie/6185408002/)
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 30, 2020, 05:00:29 PM
Fantasy baseball camp has been cancelled.  I guess I'm not surprised but I am bummed.  Not many years left in these legs.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 30, 2020, 05:01:32 PM
mmmm walleye

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on November 30, 2020, 06:26:37 PM
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-ev-suv-first-ride-review/?sm_id=organic_fb_AMAG_trueanthem&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=&utm_source=&fbclid=IwAR18Cuc_DMHKd29fyC0j_HLE1Cb3S17SRmiBcBFwqOssGlIzngAbiaCF3oo


I am not sure Ford made the right call calling this a "Mustang".  On the one hand, it associates the car with a very successful brand name.  On the other, it isn't "like" Mustangs of yore, except the ill fated Mustang II perhaps in ways.

Ford messed up the Thunderbird, IMHO, back in the day.

Either way, the EVs are coming, and I suspect many of us will own one before we drive our last mile.
I was at a Halloween party last month and one of the Ford engineers drove one to the party that she had just picked up in Detroit earlier that day. A couple of friends and I went out to investigate. It had some pretty nice features, but was wrong in so many ways. As a Mustang guy that grew up with a 1964 1/2 Mustang and a couple since then, I told her that while that car was nice and had some nice features, calling something that looked like a station wagon a Mustang was simply wrong. She stated that they were associating it to the Mustang as far as driving experience.  I said, that may be but it does NOT look like a Mustang. We agreed to disagree and went back into the party and drank more beer. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on November 30, 2020, 06:29:26 PM
in completely "other" news................

PORT CLINTON - Even as fishing in the “Walleye Capital of World” has certainly been living up to its name over the past two years, experts are projecting it could be on the verge of getting even better.

That capital, of course, is none other than Lake Erie, or even more specifically, its western basin, where the walleye population is reaching what scientists have described as “unprecedented” heights and is leading to incredible catch rates for anglers.

“Walleye fishing has never been better,” said Travis Hartman, a biologist with the Ohio Department of Natural Resources’ Division of Wildlife, about western Lake Erie.


Trawl surveys in western Lake Erie have documented enormous walleye hatches in 2015, 2018, 2019 and 2020.

Although 2020 is the smallest of those four examples, it is still considered another great hatch.

“Prior to 2015, I’d have been doing jumping jacks over our catches this year for young-of-year walleyes,” Hartman said. “We are in an incredible period of production.”


https://www.portclintonnewsherald.com/story/news/2020/11/09/walleye-hatches-leading-unprecedented-growth-phenomenal-fishing-lake-erie/6185408002/ (https://www.portclintonnewsherald.com/story/news/2020/11/09/walleye-hatches-leading-unprecedented-growth-phenomenal-fishing-lake-erie/6185408002/)
That reminds me, I have some Walleye in the freezer that I need to get cooked up. Sounds like dinner in the next couple of days. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 30, 2020, 06:33:36 PM
She stated that they were associating it to the Mustang as far as driving experience.  I said, that may be but it does NOT look like a Mustang. We agreed to disagree and went back into the party and drank more beer.
as you well know... she and Ford are horribly wrong here
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 30, 2020, 06:37:13 PM
I think so.  They could call it a Fairlane or something, fine with me, same car.

It may be a fine car, but it isn't a pony.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 30, 2020, 06:39:01 PM
We have snow in the forecast for this evening and cold Ts move into the area and push off the rain.

This is our first freeze of the year.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 30, 2020, 06:39:26 PM
I was at a Halloween party last month and one of the Ford engineers drove one to the party that she had just picked up in Detroit earlier that day. A couple of friends and I went out to investigate. It had some pretty nice features, but was wrong in so many ways. As a Mustang guy that grew up with a 1964 1/2 Mustang and a couple since then, I told her that while that car was nice and had some nice features, calling something that looked like a station wagon a Mustang was simply wrong. She stated that they were associating it to the Mustang as far as driving experience.  I said, that may be but it does NOT look like a Mustang. We agreed to disagree and went back into the party and drank more beer.
Agreed. If you want to make an electric Mustang, make an electric Mustang.

Don't make a 4-door crossover and call it a Mustang.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 30, 2020, 06:39:47 PM
bummer about the baseball camp, Cincy
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on November 30, 2020, 06:40:30 PM
There are two competing marketing ideas here-- one is using a strong, premier brand as an umbrella to create a halo effect for less desirable sub-brands under it.

And the other is diluting a strong, premier brand and weakening it by associating it with lesser products.

It's pretty obvious to me which direction this one is going.

Whether or not this is a "nice" vehicle is irrelevant-- it's clearly an inferior product with respect to the intent of the Mustang brand.  And it will only serve to weaken the brand by association.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 30, 2020, 07:20:46 PM
One of our favorite dining places is opening a new restaurant up the street, and has been so busy we have not been able to dine there (the old place, Cafe Intermezzo).

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2020/11/30/saints-council-colony-square-william-pitts.html?fbclid=IwAR0WPQN5RVcW6z5jyWvt0-QXnuwOfhddSrXjjmuZt_15VFBWS8CI4unMIls

This is good news, for us anyway, and a sign everything isn't collapsing.  We have had a lot of closures.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 30, 2020, 07:21:36 PM
good news is scare

that's good news
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on November 30, 2020, 07:28:26 PM
Colony Square was built 52 years back when this area was a dump.  It was an attempt at a "mini-city", and only partly worked, but they have redone it, still under construction, and it might turn out to be an neat place.

https://colonysquare.com/reimagined/

The arts center is across the street.  If you ever visit the ATL, midtown is the place to stay, subway link to the airport etc.

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: bayareabadger on November 30, 2020, 07:58:18 PM
I was at a Halloween party last month and one of the Ford engineers drove one to the party that she had just picked up in Detroit earlier that day. A couple of friends and I went out to investigate. It had some pretty nice features, but was wrong in so many ways. As a Mustang guy that grew up with a 1964 1/2 Mustang and a couple since then, I told her that while that car was nice and had some nice features, calling something that looked like a station wagon a Mustang was simply wrong. She stated that they were associating it to the Mustang as far as driving experience.  I said, that may be but it does NOT look like a Mustang. We agreed to disagree and went back into the party and drank more beer.
When marketing goes wrong. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on November 30, 2020, 08:00:50 PM
cool 70s video, year-by-year (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLncPRduQAk)

Been watching/listening to this the last few days.  

Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 30, 2020, 08:39:44 PM
Not sure if anyone has read alternate history by Harry Turtledove.

I read one called The Guns of the South, which ended up being a sci-fi version of alternate history. A bunch of post-apartheid South Africans discover time travel, and decide that if they can just get the American Civil War to go the opposite direction, their own failed subjugation of blacks in South Africa won't have to end--so they supply the south with AK-47's. There's a lot more to it, and I realize that sounds ridiculous, but it's not a bad read.

A much better (and less fantastic) one was Ruled Brittania. Premise is that after the Spanish (rather than the English) wins the war in the late 1500's and conquers Britain. The story comes down to a young playwright who is tasked with writing a play that will cause the English to rise up and take back their nation from the Spanish... I'm sure you can imagine which young playwright is the star of the show lol...
So I've really spent more time on the Civil War than I intended to in my evolving American Military History course.  One of the things that has taken me more time is to flesh out the story of the Confederate commerce raiders beyond just the doings of the CSS Alabama.  It seems like many of these ships of the Confederate Nay visited South Africa, and were able to obtain many services--refueling, reprovisioning, repairing, replenishment of crews--there.  All very cordial, hip-hip, jolly good show there.  A white-supremacist affinity, perhaps.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 30, 2020, 08:42:43 PM
in completely "other" news................

PORT CLINTON - Even as fishing in the “Walleye Capital of World” has certainly been living up to its name over the past two years, experts are projecting it could be on the verge of getting even better.

That capital, of course, is none other than Lake Erie, or even more specifically, its western basin, where the walleye population is reaching what scientists have described as “unprecedented” heights and is leading to incredible catch rates for anglers.

“Walleye fishing has never been better,” said Travis Hartman, a biologist with the Ohio Department of Natural Resources’ Division of Wildlife, about western Lake Erie.


Trawl surveys in western Lake Erie have documented enormous walleye hatches in 2015, 2018, 2019 and 2020.

Although 2020 is the smallest of those four examples, it is still considered another great hatch.

“Prior to 2015, I’d have been doing jumping jacks over our catches this year for young-of-year walleyes,” Hartman said. “We are in an incredible period of production.”


https://www.portclintonnewsherald.com/story/news/2020/11/09/walleye-hatches-leading-unprecedented-growth-phenomenal-fishing-lake-erie/6185408002/ (https://www.portclintonnewsherald.com/story/news/2020/11/09/walleye-hatches-leading-unprecedented-growth-phenomenal-fishing-lake-erie/6185408002/)
Is there a known reason for this?  Is there some natural predator or parasite of walleyes that has been depleted?  Has the lake gotten warmer?  Has the oxygen level in the lake changed?
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 30, 2020, 08:56:40 PM
While Lake Erie’s record high water levels in recent years have plagued some communities along the western coast, such as the city of Port Clinton, with frequent flooding — it also appears to be one of the most significant contributing factors to the booming walleye production.

“It’s becoming clear to me that high water is very helpful in producing walleye,” Hartman said. “If you look at the ‘80s, we had very high water. If you look right now, we’re in that same type of high water scenario, actually higher.”


He said he does not yet know precisely what dynamics associated with the lake’s high water levels cause the increase in walleye production, but speculated about the possibility of more sustained plankton blooms that walleye larvae need to eat or, perhaps, currents bringing larvae inshore, potentially putting them in nursery habitats and a better chance of surviving.

“The bottom line is, when we have high water, we’re producing a lot of walleye,” he said.

Another likely contributing factor is preceding hard winter seasons, meaning late ice coverage and a delayed spawning season for walleye.

“But these last years have shown, we don’t have to have a hard winter,” Hartman said. “When you look at the west and you look at production, high water trumps everything.”
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: CWSooner on November 30, 2020, 09:00:52 PM
Heh!  Interesting stuff!
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 30, 2020, 09:01:39 PM
crazy, Walleyes like water
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: MarqHusker on November 30, 2020, 09:05:31 PM
I've been following this a bit.  One reason offered by some locals has been high water levels has created a better environment for larvae, as evidence for better #s of walleyes hatching/surviving outside of the predominant western basins. 

I've noticed the perch numbers are better too.

Edit: ha, FF reading what I read.  I saw this while watching local Midwest fishing shows these past months. 
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: FearlessF on November 30, 2020, 09:40:40 PM
cool 70s video, year-by-year (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLncPRduQAk)

Been watching/listening to this the last few days. 


hour and a half
High, I'm Bill Fleming
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: Cincydawg on December 01, 2020, 08:08:25 AM
I like walleyes.  Can't get'em here.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2020, 08:41:09 AM
Walleye is very good eats.

We caught a lot of yellowtail snapper on Saturday, so that was a good meal Saturday night.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: utee94 on December 01, 2020, 09:02:32 AM
Walleye is very good eats.

We caught a lot of yellowtail snapper on Saturday, so that was a good meal Saturday night.
Love walleye.

Y'all get amberjack in your part of the state?  That's also some good eatin'.
Title: Re: In other news ...
Post by: GopherRock on December 01, 2020, 09:13:30 AM
Walleye is indeed good eating.

Question for those more familiar with cooking ocean fish: is the meat of saltwater fish naturally quite salty, or did I just get a cook that was overzealous with the salt shaker? Last winter, when I was at Marco Island for a wedding, I had a grouper sandwich. It was tasty, but it was really salty.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2020, 09:16:31 AM
Love walleye.

Y'all get amberjack in your part of the state?  That's also some good eatin'.
Yep, they are out there.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2020, 09:17:09 AM
Walleye is indeed good eating.

Question for those more familiar with cooking ocean fish: is the meat of saltwater fish naturally quite salty, or did I just get a cook that was overzealous with the salt shaker? Last winter, when I was at Marco Island for a wedding, I had a grouper sandwich. It was tasty, but it was really salty.
He used too much salt.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 01, 2020, 09:38:32 AM
I once was using up leftovers to make a kind of stew, I had some chunks of steak, leftover spaghetti sauce, and corn.  I mixed it all up with some more diced tomatoes and a bit of chili powder.  I really liked what the corn brought to it.

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Post by: Riffraft on December 01, 2020, 10:08:01 AM
in completely "other" news................

PORT CLINTON - Even as fishing in the “Walleye Capital of World” has certainly been living up to its name over the past two years, experts are projecting it could be on the verge of getting even better.

That capital, of course, is none other than Lake Erie, or even more specifically, its western basin, where the walleye population is reaching what scientists have described as “unprecedented” heights and is leading to incredible catch rates for anglers.

“Walleye fishing has never been better,” said Travis Hartman, a biologist with the Ohio Department of Natural Resources’ Division of Wildlife, about western Lake Erie.


Trawl surveys in western Lake Erie have documented enormous walleye hatches in 2015, 2018, 2019 and 2020.

Although 2020 is the smallest of those four examples, it is still considered another great hatch.

“Prior to 2015, I’d have been doing jumping jacks over our catches this year for young-of-year walleyes,” Hartman said. “We are in an incredible period of production.”


https://www.portclintonnewsherald.com/story/news/2020/11/09/walleye-hatches-leading-unprecedented-growth-phenomenal-fishing-lake-erie/6185408002/ (https://www.portclintonnewsherald.com/story/news/2020/11/09/walleye-hatches-leading-unprecedented-growth-phenomenal-fishing-lake-erie/6185408002/)
I remember in the 70s the Walleye were almost non-existent. Most people thought they would never come back.

Family had a boat at Port Clinton, Pretty much all you could catch was Perch and Small Mouth
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Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2020, 12:31:00 PM
I once was using up leftovers to make a kind of stew, I had some chunks of steak, leftover spaghetti sauce, and corn.  I mixed it all up with some more diced tomatoes and a bit of chili powder.  I really liked what the corn brought to it.


of course corn is readily available in this region

many yankees put corn in almost everything, even in chili.

it's actually quite good in chili (soup)
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 01, 2020, 01:51:20 PM
Really getting annoyed with some of the streaming TV options now.

We all know how to DVR and time-shift content. If you have a DVR in your house and you start recording a game that starts at 1 PM, for example, but you can't get to it until 1:45, it's no problem. You just go and start the recording from the beginning at 1:45. Oh, and you can fast forward through commercials and catch up. 

Not so much with streaming / cloud DVR. 




I'm sure they think this will get people back to cable. Instead I'm more likely to just give up on sports fandom. Being a Purdue fan is soul-crushing enough without additional hurdles. 
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 01, 2020, 01:57:15 PM
Most every fried fish in the south is going to be salty in my experience.  Not in a bad way, but salty.  
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2020, 02:12:03 PM
That has not been my experience here. Granted, I don't normally order my fish fried. I like it seared and served.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 01, 2020, 02:20:15 PM
I don't like much salt in food, I often request lower salt when dining out.  I can't recall having fried fish at a beach restaurant that I thought was salty.

They don't eat corn in France.  They don't eat grits either.
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 01, 2020, 02:21:53 PM
Love walleye.

Y'all get amberjack in your part of the state?  That's also some good eatin'.
Walleye! Best eating fresh water fish on the planet bar none! Especially if you can go into Canada and get some from those cold deep clear lakes.  

My favorite ocean fish is now cobia.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2020, 02:21:57 PM
battered and fried = salty
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2020, 02:23:07 PM
Walleye! Best eating fresh water fish on the planet bar none! Especially if you can go into Canada and get some from those cold deep clear lakes. 

My favorite ocean fish is now cobia.
I'm on to triple tail now.

Tried Wahoo. Didn't like that at all. 
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Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2020, 06:40:22 PM
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2020, 08:02:01 AM
I once was using up leftovers to make a kind of stew, I had some chunks of steak, leftover spaghetti sauce, and corn.  I mixed it all up with some more diced tomatoes and a bit of chili powder.  I really liked what the corn brought to it.
Well so much for the image I had of you being a connoisseur of the culinary arts.Now what you describe above is I'm sure something I've whipped up before,many times.Hope you ate it proper - over the sink!!!.Now excuse me I have to get back to removing the 14.6"s we had yesterday.Lying bastages said 3"-5"
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2020, 08:16:02 AM
I like dining out, and I enjoy good food, but I also "clean out the fridge" and make something and on occasion it's pretty decent.

We went to our favorite French place last night, had something called "Kokeel Saint Jack", I may have misspelled that, and a nice Chablis (it is half priced wine night).

I think celery is a nice i0gredient for various stew type foods.

It was 28°F when I got up, it's now very sunny outside, some wind, we'll go for a walk somewhere, maybe up to the botanical garden, we like it when it's empty.

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Post by: utee94 on December 02, 2020, 08:19:31 AM
Love scallops, probably my favorite seafood.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 02, 2020, 08:21:45 AM
I've got some scallops. I think I will make that dish.
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2020, 08:36:11 AM
I think celery is a nice i0gredient for various stew type foods.

It was 28°F when I got up, it's now very sunny outside, some wind, we'll go for a walk somewhere, maybe up to the botanical garden, we like it when it's empty.
32 deg & sunny I'll be trudging up and down a few driveways before long.Sometimes I use Celery instead of bell peppers in Chili - tasty
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Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2020, 08:46:12 AM
there ain't no celery or bell peppers in proper chili
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2020, 08:48:32 AM
Cleaning out the fridge - idgit.And as you've regaled very seldom is the next batch of chili similar to the previous one
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Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2020, 08:50:18 AM
I'll allow it.

I'm the fridge cleaner in my house.

nothing goes to waste

even if it has a bit of mold or wilt to it
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2020, 08:50:52 AM
We're headed down to Hilton Head tomorrow apparently.  I hope the wife is OK with that.
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Post by: utee94 on December 02, 2020, 08:50:58 AM
there ain't no celery or bell peppers in proper chili
Truth.

Ain't no beans, either.

Obviously.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2020, 08:51:49 AM
And it's "stew" when I take dribs and drabs of leftovers and combine them, augmenting with celery or onion esp. and garlic and whatever else.

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Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2020, 08:53:09 AM
I'll allow it.

I'm the fridge cleaner in my house.

nothing goes to waste

even if it has a bit of mold or wilt to it
Science projects specials- better be scraping that cheese unless of course that's part of your "greens" intake
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2020, 08:54:53 AM
Truth.

Ain't no beans, either.

Obviously.
Sayz who,you use to have to hand crank your car that had no windows or heater and wooden rims.It's called advancements/improvements.Plus with the price of meat because of covid contamination beans are a good source of protein
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 02, 2020, 12:26:42 PM
It's about time this farce ended. Those of us with allergies greatly appreciate this ruling.

Feds crack down on flying with emotional support animals - Chicago Tribune (https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-airplane-emotional-support-pets-law-20201202-w722iedxgrgvhfpd3e2flumixq-story.html)
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 02, 2020, 01:00:18 PM
Don't want my live alligator hogging the armrest?  
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Post by: utee94 on December 02, 2020, 01:05:27 PM
Actually seeing someone with a live alligator as an emotional support animal would be pretty cool.

As long as there was a lot of distance between that gator and me.  And a lot of tasty-looking fatties as buffer.
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2020, 01:13:46 PM
Dell has plenty of those sitting around
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Post by: utee94 on December 02, 2020, 01:17:34 PM
Dell has plenty of those sitting around

Alligators, or fatties?  The reality is, there's none of the former, and not much of the latter, at Dell.  The workforce is pretty young and fit, honestly.
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2020, 01:20:59 PM
Then how come you're knocking off 40 lbs every January/February do they have a weight loss contest? ;D
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Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2020, 01:23:44 PM
if he wants to knock off 40 lbs, he simply removes his hat
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2020, 01:26:41 PM
Is his head in it
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Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2020, 01:27:47 PM
maybe that's his belt buckle
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2020, 01:28:59 PM
Hope he doesn't use it on the kids.Or you and Bwarb when you move there
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Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2020, 01:38:06 PM
geezus, even my father didn't use the buckle

the strap was enough to get my undivided attention
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2020, 01:39:55 PM
That's what ya get for leaving bell pepper out of your chili - your dad gets a Yuengling
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2020, 01:41:48 PM
I put bell pepper and celery into spaghetti sauce, and that usually is the basis for my chili.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2020, 01:54:24 PM
you obviously, spent WAY too much time in Cincy
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Post by: utee94 on December 02, 2020, 01:55:30 PM
No tomatoes in chili. either.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2020, 01:57:15 PM
the truth
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2020, 01:59:09 PM
No tomatoes in chili. either.
Water from lake travis it is with stringy longhorn and hot peppers.The hotter the better so you don't actually have to taste the stuff
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Post by: utee94 on December 02, 2020, 02:01:32 PM
We don't eat Longhorn around here.  We just raise it to look at it.

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Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2020, 02:02:20 PM
Ah Fatties
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Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2020, 02:03:08 PM
rumor has it, that garlic and onions were found along the cattle trails and were chili ingredients from the get go

stringy Texas beef, chiles, onions, and garlic.

salt to taste

that's it
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Post by: utee94 on December 02, 2020, 02:05:04 PM
rumor has it, that garlic and onions were found along the cattle trails and were chili ingredients from the get go

stringy Texas beef, chiles, onions, and garlic.

salt to taste

that's it
Yup that's pretty much it.

It's the blend of dried chile peppers that create the character and depth of flavor, and it's the addition of fresh jalapenos and/or serranos, and cayenne powder, that lends the heat.

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Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2020, 02:06:43 PM
They also took beans on those cattle dives haven't you ever watched Blazing Saddles.No seriously they did - easy to transport and cook.As did the pioneers crossing the continent.The weak ones stopped in Iowa/Nebraska.The smart ones stayed in Ohio
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Post by: utee94 on December 02, 2020, 02:08:22 PM
I also add comino and a tiny bit of Mexican oregano.
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Post by: utee94 on December 02, 2020, 02:08:46 PM
They also took beans on those cattle dives haven't you ever watched Blazing Saddles.No seriously they did - easy to transport and cook
Yeah beans were made alongside the chili.  Not in the chili.
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2020, 02:10:48 PM
So no one tried it at all?Ever?hell they thru possom on the half shell in there if they were hungry enough.High fallutin cow pokes
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Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2020, 02:12:42 PM
the beans that could be on the wagon were dry and would need to be soaked to be edible

rather have a hard crust of bread to soak up the chili juice
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Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2020, 02:14:16 PM
So no one tried it at all?Ever?hell they thru possom on the half shell in there if they were hungry enough.High fallutin cow pokes
the Chili Queens of San Antonio never tried it!
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2020, 02:17:29 PM
the beans that could be on the wagon were dry and would need to be soaked to be edible

rather have a hard crust of bread to soak up the chili juice
What juice?there's nothing to soak the beans with remember - let 94 tell the story and stay outta the Bud Fat.And not only that they had to water the "Doggies" somewhere.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2020, 02:18:14 PM
it's actually called, gravy, not juice
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2020, 02:19:51 PM
They watered the cattle they could water the beans - stick to dirt farming
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Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2020, 02:23:11 PM
maybe they didn't appreciate "blazing" saddles as much as you would
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Post by: utee94 on December 02, 2020, 02:28:18 PM
camp town ladies sing their song, doo darrr, doo darrr
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2020, 02:32:23 PM
maybe they didn't appreciate "blazing" saddles as much as you would
How it didn't win an Oscar I'll never know
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2020, 02:37:32 PM
No tomatoes?
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2020, 02:39:14 PM
Testify CD testify
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Post by: utee94 on December 02, 2020, 02:56:32 PM
No tomatoes?
(https://i.imgur.com/8RHPv25.png)
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2020, 03:22:00 PM
I like onions.
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Post by: utee94 on December 02, 2020, 03:24:35 PM
I like onions.
And you may have them in proper chili.

Here's an old school original San Antonio chili recipe, from the archives:


Ingredients:
2 lbs beef shoulder, cut into ½-inch cubes
1 lb pork shoulder, cut into ½-inch cubes
¼ cup suet
¼ cup pork fat
3 medium-sized onions, chopped
6 garlic cloves, minced
1-quart water
4 acho chiles
1 serrano chile
6 dried red chiles
1 Tablespoon comino seeds, freshly ground
2 tablespoons Mexican oregano
Salt to taste

Place lightly floured beef and pork cubes in with suet and pork fat in heavy chili pot and cook quickly, stirring often. Add onions and garlic and cook until they are tender and limp. Add water to mixture and simmer slowly while preparing chiles. Remove stems and seeds from chile and chop very finely. Grind chiles in molcajete and add oregano with salt to mixture. Simmer another 2 hours. Remove suet casing and skim off some fat. Never cook frijoles with chilies and meat. Serve as separate dish.

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Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2020, 03:49:08 PM
similar to mine.................

Fearless Phil authentic Chili:

1 1/2 cups finely minced white onion
8 garlic cloves, finely minced
2 (15 1/2-ounce) cans chicken broth, with fat removed
4 ounces tomato sauce
3/4 teaspoon garlic powder
3 tablespoons ground cumin
2 1/2 tablespoons Gebhardt chili powder
3 tablespoons Fort Worth Light chili powder
3 tablespoons California chile powder (mild)
2 tablespoons Flagstaff chile powder (medium)
1 tablespoon New Mexico chile powder (hot)
2 teaspoons salt

3 pounds tri-tip beef, cut into 3/4-inch cubes
1 tablespoon virgin olive oil
1/2 teaspoon meat tenderizer
1/2 teaspoon light brown sugar
1 teaspoon Tabasco brand pepper sauce

In a large pot simmer onion and minced garlic in 2 cups of chicken broth for 10 minutes. Add tomato sauce and all dry spices, except the tenderizer and sugar. Mix well. Brown the meat in oil using a separate pan and drain well. Sprinkle the meat with the tenderizer. Add the meat to the onion/spice mixture. Add remaining broth and simmer for 2 1/2 hours.
Mix in brown sugar and pepper sauce just before serving.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2020, 04:23:56 PM
Now I'm just hungry.

I like my chili, or whatever it's called (no beans).  I usually serve it over rice and often top it with shredded cheddar or sour cream.  I need to try the "authentic original" style though.  Might downsize it.

Did not know it had pork in it.
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Post by: utee94 on December 02, 2020, 04:30:32 PM
Now I'm just hungry.

I like my chili, or whatever it's called (no beans).  I usually serve it over rice and often top it with shredded cheddar or sour cream.  I need to try the "authentic original" style though.  Might downsize it.

Did not know it had pork in it.
I don't use the cubed pork but obviously some recipes do.

Well, I take that back-- I do use pork, because I use about 1-1.5 lbs of pork chorizo.  I brown it to render the fat, remove the chorizo meat, then I sear my cubed beef in the remaining chorizo fat plus a little extra oil if necessary.  I reintroduce the chorizo meat once I'm adding all of the chile puree and and dry spices into the mix.

Oh, and I always serve with shredded cheddar and diced raw onions. Cornbread typically, too.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2020, 04:39:02 PM
We should have like a recipe page or something.
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Post by: utee94 on December 02, 2020, 04:45:16 PM
We should have like a recipe page or something.
Pretty sure at least one variation of my chili recipe is in there somewhere.  Though it's been so long, it's probably not the one I currently use.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 02, 2020, 04:53:00 PM
We should have like a recipe page or something.
We should write a cookbook.
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Post by: utee94 on December 02, 2020, 05:03:08 PM
We should write a cookbook.
Wasn't someone supposed to collate our recipe thread into a cookbook for us?  
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 02, 2020, 05:23:57 PM
It's a project for all of us.

Drew saved it from the old site. It's a lot of work to pare it down.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2020, 05:30:45 PM
I know how to e publish
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Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2020, 05:31:07 PM
I like to have some pork or pork fat in my chili.  Somehow the heat from the chile powder attaches to the pork fat and gets to the correct places on the tongue better.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2020, 05:33:07 PM
In other news.........

it's quitting time, and Wings Wednesday

headed to the local bar for broasted wings and taters with some Grim Reaper sauce

yes, Carolina Reaper peppers!

thanks to breeder Ed Currie
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2020, 05:38:24 PM
We're headed to Hilton Head tomorrow.  I scored a beach front 2 bedroom condo cheap.

Hudson's Seafood.  The Jazz Corner.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 02, 2020, 05:44:01 PM
I know how to e publish

My own belief is that a cookbook doesn't lend itself well to an ereader. 

If you want to do it right, it should be a full-color glossy professional-looking deal. 

Which is why I kinda thought that the "angle" that we could use is target the cookbook at new college grads who happen to be football fans, which makes it a PERFECT gift item. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 02, 2020, 05:57:11 PM
Most of them couldn't afford it. They'd have to trade in their art history books and that ain't happening.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 02, 2020, 06:05:08 PM
Most of them couldn't afford it. They'd have to trade in their art history books and that ain't happening.
No, it's a gift from parents/relatives to the new college grads. You know, people who have accomplishments and income?
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 02, 2020, 06:10:05 PM
I wouldn't know. I had income started at 14.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 02, 2020, 06:13:51 PM
I wouldn't know. I had income started at 14.
Slacker. I started at 13. 
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Post by: utee94 on December 02, 2020, 06:21:35 PM
11 for me.   

(maybe)
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2020, 06:36:03 PM
So ya'll violated child labor laws and lived to pat yourselves on the back - you all get a yuengling.Even though i was drinking Gennessee @ age 13
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2020, 06:38:00 PM
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15142951/oldsmobile-toronado-archived-test-review/?utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&src=socialflowFBCAD&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1voTKpRWlmCgV60p5S4sEF9B31on7lZkyHzTLYjtencBDEXKlWMx134wY


Hilarious, the Olds Toronado, reviewed.  Hilarious.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 02, 2020, 06:41:37 PM
So ya'll violated child labor laws and lived to pat yourselves on the back - you all get a yuengling.Even though i was drinking Gennessee @ age 13
Was a caddy at 13, minimum age for caddy in Illinois.

In Illinois, you can also get jobs starting at 14 if your school counselor signs off on a work permit, which I got w/o issue as it's not like my grades were suffering. So I was a starter on a golf course starting at age 14, and I think I might have done that the summer I turned 15 as well.

Started working year-round rather than summers as I approached my 16th birthday, got a job first at Subway and then as soon as I had a driver's license I left that horrible foodservice gig and got a job selling computers at Best Buy, which I kept up until leaving for college.

Never had a Gennessee. Only time I drank prior to college was when I visited my sister at Mizzou during parent's weekend at the age of 15, and she took me out and got me hammered. Never touched alcohol beyond that, all through high school. I was a good kid.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 02, 2020, 06:56:09 PM
In Illinois now, you can't start working until you are 30 y/o. And that's optional.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2020, 07:11:04 PM
For engineerds, a detailed look at the Corvette C8 suspension.  

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a34825083/c8-corvette-suspension-deep-dive-analysis-video/?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=socialflowR%26T&utm_medium=social-media&fbclid=IwAR0jryjnE2ViuCM8i07YUW_OYEhnQEnw4Fqr_QtbUB8jZeW-wQKxhSb1t1A
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Post by: utee94 on December 02, 2020, 07:58:14 PM
For engineerds, a detailed look at the Corvette C8 suspension. 

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a34825083/c8-corvette-suspension-deep-dive-analysis-video/?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=socialflowR%26T&utm_medium=social-media&fbclid=IwAR0jryjnE2ViuCM8i07YUW_OYEhnQEnw4Fqr_QtbUB8jZeW-wQKxhSb1t1A

(https://i.imgur.com/83li9Xc.png)
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 03, 2020, 12:29:39 PM
Never had a Gennessee. Only time I drank prior to college was when I visited my sister at Mizzou during parent's weekend at the age of 15, and she took me out and got me hammered. Never touched alcohol beyond that, all through high school. I was a good kid.
I was a good kid too - a tad bit tipsy but not bad.See the old man always had a keg.When it was still practal to do so,the folks would head up to the summer cottage in Marble Head by the Erie Islands.My older brother was home from college and suppose to be keeping an eye on me(I was in Middle school) but he was working and chasing skirt.He simply told me if I got in trouble he'd get in trouble.Between baseball games and practice I'd invite some of the neighborhood buds over and sip some suds.Of course my brother and his buddies usually heard about the dwindling keg.My dad had it counted down to the glass and could tell by the Co2 guage.Then I'd go up to the Erie Islands with the folks where many vacationers had Kegs on their outside patios and of course a few of us help ourselves at night.We were suspected but never caught-some good summers from what I remember
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Post by: FearlessF on December 03, 2020, 01:01:05 PM
I wasn't a good kid, but y'all probably figured that one
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 03, 2020, 04:48:40 PM
What should I do with a 9# whole pork loin?

I had to hit the Costco for my weekly run today, and saw they had a smokin' deal of $8 off a package. It's running $1.99/lb so I ended up with about a 9# loin for $10. 

Trying to figure out what to do with it. I know my wife makes a mean Tuscan pork roast, so I could cut about 1/3 of it for that, but not sure if I just want to cut it into 3 roasts and vacuum seal and freeze them, or what other preparations might be possible?

Obviously it's a matter of vacuum sealing and freezing regardless, but trying to figure out how to portion it into the most useful sizes/cuts...
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2020, 04:50:33 PM
Make it into chops, about 1.5" thick.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 03, 2020, 04:54:45 PM
Thinking of that, for at least a portion of it.
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Post by: utee94 on December 03, 2020, 04:56:50 PM
Makes pretty good crockpot tacos too. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2020, 04:57:52 PM
Must brine, in my opinion.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 03, 2020, 05:00:11 PM
I did a google search for "pork loin roulade" and only got a few hits. 

Google said a related search was "rolled stuffed pork loin". That got a lot more hits. 

I wept a little inside.
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Post by: utee94 on December 03, 2020, 05:05:29 PM
I did a google search for "pork loin roulade" and only got a few hits.

Google said a related search was "rolled stuffed pork loin". That got a lot more hits.

I wept a little inside.
I've never done it with pork loin, but with pork tenderloin, I've slit it lengthwise, stuffed with chorizo and cheese, wrapped with bacon, and thrown in the smoker at 300 for around an hour or until done.  

I call it pig-stuffed pig-wrapped pig.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 03, 2020, 05:05:40 PM
yup, I slice into chops.

some thinner for sammiches if you like

you can simply throw the whole thing on a Big Green Egg or smoker and then see how much you can eat.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2020, 05:36:16 PM
Can always cook it most of the way and then portion for freezing and final cooking (sear, whatever).

Sous vide is probably not big enough for this thing. I know mine wouldn't be.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2020, 07:09:57 PM
Kitchen is about done.

(https://i.imgur.com/jGAjzFm.jpg)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2020, 07:12:03 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/y97dvvZ.jpg)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2020, 07:13:31 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d95ioot.jpg)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2020, 07:14:57 PM
Master bath is done.

(https://i.imgur.com/spbWSGW.png)
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 03, 2020, 07:15:40 PM
Looking good, Badge! If I'm ever in Florida, I'll drop by for dinner. :72:

BTW is that a microwave and an oven, or is that a double oven? I've seen some of those where you can see the smaller upper chamber but I've never had the chance to ask someone... I know double ovens is on the wife's wish list for our forever house... Heck it's on my wish list too lol!
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2020, 07:16:40 PM
Looking good, Badge! If I'm ever in Florida, I'll drop by for dinner. :72:

BTW is that a microwave and an oven, or is that a double oven? I've seen some of those where you can see the smaller upper chamber but I've never had the chance to ask someone... I know double ovens is on the wife's wish list for our forever house... Heck it's on my wish list too lol!
The mic is also an oven. So, it can be a double oven, or not. It's a nice unit. I did all Samsung this time.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2020, 07:17:32 PM
Spare bath is done.

(https://i.imgur.com/T0M2nWu.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/SDwKdPq.png)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2020, 07:19:41 PM
Can't leave out Mrs. Happy.

(https://i.imgur.com/5DBNF5V.png)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2020, 07:21:01 PM
Or my view:

(https://i.imgur.com/8lROHVL.jpg)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2020, 07:22:41 PM
Or my new license plate:

(https://i.imgur.com/s58PkK6.png)
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Post by: CWSooner on December 03, 2020, 07:23:41 PM
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15142951/oldsmobile-toronado-archived-test-review/?utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&src=socialflowFBCAD&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1voTKpRWlmCgV60p5S4sEF9B31on7lZkyHzTLYjtencBDEXKlWMx134wY


Hilarious, the Olds Toronado, reviewed.  Hilarious.
The quirky writing was always half the fun of C-D.
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Post by: MarqHusker on December 03, 2020, 10:31:19 PM
Does anybody get real trees in FL Badge?

We had ours delivered yesterday and kids wasted no time.

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Post by: bayareabadger on December 03, 2020, 10:44:15 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d95ioot.jpg)
Fine, fine, I'll be down in a minute.

(Maybe some day, though damn that part of Florida is the end of the world)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2020, 07:24:29 AM
Does anybody get real trees in FL Badge?

We had ours delivered yesterday and kids wasted no time.


I don't know. We always have an artificial now after having fresh for years.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2020, 07:25:36 AM
Fine, fine, I'll be down in a minute.

(Maybe some day, though damn that part of Florida is the end of the world)
Not really. There is quite a bit to do around here. Or course, we are in a bubble, as that was how our development was intended to be.
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 04, 2020, 07:28:00 AM
Or my new license plate:

(https://i.imgur.com/s58PkK6.png)
I'd take some snapshots of my stuff but I can't seem to down load the damn things
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2020, 07:38:01 AM
I just started pulling random pics from my phone, and the I used the snipping tool to cut and paste.

The license plate is special to me. It has the partial name of my company and my initials.
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 04, 2020, 07:59:48 AM
Is that Mertt?Can't quite make it out
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2020, 08:03:45 AM
Merit.
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Post by: utee94 on December 04, 2020, 09:47:49 AM
Nice pad, badge!
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2020, 09:55:40 AM
Thanks. I will try to find some "before" pictures. Yucky.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 04, 2020, 10:08:54 AM
You put decals on your car? On the paint? :o
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2020, 10:46:07 AM
The "MW" decal is the car dealer - MotorWerks of Barrington. The other one is a motion W. They can come off without harm to the paint.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2020, 10:47:02 AM
Master bath before:

(https://i.imgur.com/QVUXIRM.jpg)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2020, 10:47:54 AM
Spare bath before:

(https://i.imgur.com/7ulScfB.jpg)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2020, 10:50:28 AM
Kitchen before:

(https://i.imgur.com/sSEjfac.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/lmW3MU5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/gEghMOB.jpg)
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 04, 2020, 11:07:55 AM
The "MW" decal is the car dealer - MotorWerks of Barrington. The other one is a motion W. They can come off without harm to the paint.

Oh okay. Depending on the vinyl, it can leave some residue that can be a bitch to get off. Magnets are generally better because they come right off and you can reposition them if you need to, but if they are the wrong kind of magnet material they can fuse to the car once they get wet. Then you are really screwed. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2020, 11:16:21 AM
They are actually plastic, coated with chrome, with a sticky tape to adhere. I'm told they remove pretty easily.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 04, 2020, 11:25:08 AM
Man, I'd've gotten two and tried one on your fridge first, but it's a bit late for that obviously. 

The adhesive ones generally go on the glass. You have to be careful not to mangle them with your ice scraper, but you don't have to worry about that anymore. 

They look good though. Like they belong. 
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 04, 2020, 11:29:07 AM
If the chrome is first surface (on the outside of the decal) then the sun might eventually bake it black. If it is second surface (printed underneath the plastic) then the color will hold, but it might get left behind when you peel up the decal. That was a really big problem with football helmets. 

The best way around it was to print it first surface, and then laminate it with another protective layer. Best of both worlds. 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 04, 2020, 11:32:15 AM
I refuse to have anything identifying the dealership where I bought a car on the car. 

I've already paid for the car. If you want me to advertise your dealership, you should be paying me for that privilege. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2020, 11:39:02 AM
I just never bothered to remove it. I think I will.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 04, 2020, 11:58:54 AM
The worst thing that you can do is put something religious or political on your car because no matter what it is there is bound to be some guy out there somewhere who takes offense to it and they might tamper with your car. Sports decals can be problematic as well. A Wisconsin decal in Florida is probably safe, but of you are rolling around with a Michigan decal in Columbus or whatever, you have balls of steel.
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 04, 2020, 11:59:18 AM
I refuse to have anything identifying the dealership where I bought a car on the car.

I've already paid for the car. If you want me to advertise your dealership, you should be paying me for that privilege.
Amen!!
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Post by: FearlessF on December 04, 2020, 12:13:25 PM
youse guys are a bit sensative

I'm not going to much trouble to remove the auto dealer's logo from my vehicle.  Especially if the process may damage the finish.

that said, I don't put stickers or decals on my vehicles.

I also don't have tattoos on my body.

I do have a couple Husker magnets I throw on if I'm driving to Lincoln or to an away game. 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 04, 2020, 12:28:28 PM
If I worry that removing the decal will damage the finish, I make the dealer do it before I take possession of the car. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2020, 12:32:35 PM
I might take it to a detail shop to have them remove the one. The W stays.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 04, 2020, 12:34:45 PM
If I worry that removing the decal will damage the finish, I make the dealer do it before I take possession of the car.
I'm sure they hate to see you leave the lot.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 04, 2020, 12:41:37 PM
I'm sure they hate to see you leave the lot.
LOL... I'm actually not that bad. Most dealers don't really even do that any more with the decals around here. They put on their license plate frames, and I drive off the lot with their frame on the car--and change it when I get home. 

The only time I've had to do that was when I lived in Atlanta, which is Neal Boortz country. He made a point of talking about the same thing on his radio show back then, so I'm pretty sure all the Atlanta area dealers are used to it. 

I've also never understood the concept of wearing a T-shirt that says something like "Guess Jeans" on it. Really? Do I need my shirt to advertise my pants? Who would wear such a thing? (Turns out, a lot of people...)
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Post by: FearlessF on December 04, 2020, 12:46:44 PM
and a lot of people will pay over $30 for the shirt advertising their pants
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 04, 2020, 12:51:06 PM
Last minute trip to Hilton Head.  72 F...
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 04, 2020, 12:51:35 PM
And just in case anyone wonders... I'm not entirely sure my position is perfectly consistent. It's not like I only wear plain shirts. 

My T-shirt wardrobe (with the exception of some plain-colored v-necks) is almost entirely Purdue shirts or brewery shirts. Clearly I'm advertising for both, and I'm not getting those shirts free. But I'm deliberately choosing to support those entities/businesses... When I buy my intent is not to advertise for a dealer, and when I buy a piece of clothing, my intent is not to advertise the brand of clothing I bought. 
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Post by: FearlessF on December 04, 2020, 12:52:42 PM
Last minute trip to Hilton Head.  72 F...
stay safe
drink some wine
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Post by: FearlessF on December 04, 2020, 12:55:21 PM
I don't have many t-shirts I've actually paid for.

90% are from vendors in the business or my employer for free.

another 9% are Husker or Viking shirts that were gifts.

the remaining one shirt I may have purchased I'm not sure I could find.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 04, 2020, 12:56:36 PM
LOL... I'm actually not that bad. Most dealers don't really even do that any more with the decals around here. They put on their license plate frames, and I drive off the lot with their frame on the car--and change it when I get home.

The only time I've had to do that was when I lived in Atlanta, which is Neal Boortz country. He made a point of talking about the same thing on his radio show back then, so I'm pretty sure all the Atlanta area dealers are used to it.

I've also never understood the concept of wearing a T-shirt that says something like "Guess Jeans" on it. Really? Do I need my shirt to advertise my pants? Who would wear such a thing? (Turns out, a lot of people...)
In Ohio the plate covers were illegal because they covered up the name of the county. Of course the dealers put them on there anyway without bothering to tell you that. So you'd get a ticket as soon as you drove through a speed trap. Quite the racket.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 06, 2020, 10:18:58 PM
any of youse guys know anything about telescopes?

My daughter wants one for Xmas.

I'm not looking to spend a lot of money, maybe $200 or less.  Doubt she will really use it much.

I'll probably get something slightly used.

Lots of options, and I know nothing about optics like this.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 06, 2020, 10:23:03 PM

Get one that can spot the planets. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj-P031VlbU&ab_channel=J.W.Astronomy
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 06, 2020, 10:32:26 PM
any of youse guys know anything about telescopes?
When I was hunting/fishing more I bought a lot of gear from here .sportsmansguide.com/product/index/barska-20-60x60mm-colorado-waterproof-spotting-scope?a=1516596&szc=000&clrc=000&pm2d=CSE-SPG-15-PLA&utm_medium .They use to sell Military Surplus - they still might.

 When I was looking this ad popped up https://www.bestbuy.com/site/celestron-travel-scope-70mm-refractor-telescope-gray-black/6387417.p?skuId=6387417&ref=212&loc=1&extStoreId=278&ref=212&loc=1&ds_r ,so there is prolly one around you - Good Luck
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Post by: utee94 on December 07, 2020, 10:05:14 AM
Continuing the conversation from Saturday, for my bday dinner, I got the branzino, but my i s c & a aggie wife got the braised beef short ribs, so I got to enjoy BOTH. 

I also stumbled into a free bottle Chateau Margaux, that was quite the experience...
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 07, 2020, 10:12:50 AM
Made ribs yesterday. Mmmmm...

(https://www.homebrewtalk.com/attachments/pxl_20201207_023927513-jpg.709270/)
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 07, 2020, 10:59:32 AM
Did you bring some for the rest of us
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Post by: FearlessF on December 07, 2020, 12:08:12 PM
I've been thinking about that Mr. Hand

it's it "our" time?  since we are both here?
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Post by: FearlessF on December 07, 2020, 04:10:07 PM
Uber sells its self-driving unit to Aurora
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 07, 2020, 05:16:13 PM
Down into the 30s tonight, off to the Jazz Corner.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 07, 2020, 05:22:06 PM
Going to 46 here. High of 62 tomorrow. Low of 39.

I feel like I brought this with me...
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 07, 2020, 05:33:53 PM
The most humorous part of life in a warm climate is to see dogs in sweaters when it's like 65 degrees out.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 07, 2020, 05:35:25 PM
The most humorous part of life in a warm climate is to see dogs in sweaters when it's like 65 degrees out.
Yeah, I'm constantly amazed at what people here think is "cold"...
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Post by: FearlessF on December 07, 2020, 06:07:11 PM
Going to 46 here. High of 62 tomorrow. Low of 39.

I feel like I brought this with me...
it's the "W" on the Benz 
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Post by: FearlessF on December 07, 2020, 06:09:28 PM
low of 23 overnight - high 50's on Wings Wednesday

I'll be golfing Wednesday afternoon

2-3 inches of snow Friday and Saturday!
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 07, 2020, 06:13:31 PM
Went all Marie Kondo on my Facebook friends list today. If it doesn't bring you joy, throw it out!

Went from 180 to 63. 

Mostly symbolic, because I basically don't post on FB and don't read it, but still, it felt good.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 07, 2020, 06:50:25 PM
Apology? Dude should be writing a book. 
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Post by: FearlessF on December 07, 2020, 07:01:07 PM
I need pics to see just how bad his behavior was, before I judge
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Post by: FearlessF on December 07, 2020, 07:35:46 PM
for Burnt Eyes........ no that he will se this here, but...........



(https://scontent.fdsm1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/130686721_10165250041015500_127022192441333668_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=EyanOkaR5acAX-hOxjf&_nc_ht=scontent.fdsm1-1.fna&oh=a356586598b40539f5240882241cc472&oe=5FF5A761)
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Post by: FearlessF on December 07, 2020, 08:08:11 PM
In past 8 days, 121 FBS players have entered NCAA Transfer Portal, including a whopping 26 so far today. Good luck finding a new school w/all players not losing a year of eligibility this season

3:02 PM · Dec 7, 2020
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 08, 2020, 08:16:01 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/xAy42Hm.png)

This is not normal for here. The record low for this date is 37, set in 1984. Average is 77/56.
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 08, 2020, 08:37:25 AM
Going to 46 here. High of 62 tomorrow. Low of 39.

I feel like I brought this with me...
I don’t know badge. I have been down here from Michigan since the beginning of 2016 and everyone keeps telling me that my blood will thin out and the cold weather will really get to me like it does get to them. But it has not happened yet. This cool air actually is a great relief for me from the 6 to 8 months of 90+ degrees and 95% humidity!
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 08, 2020, 08:41:49 AM
Really glad I got the solar heat for the pool. Electric bill and all that. Ouch.
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Post by: utee94 on December 08, 2020, 08:48:02 AM
[img width=500 height=298.991]https://i.imgur.com/xAy42Hm.png[/img]

This is not normal for here. The record low for this date is 37, set in 1984. Average is 77/56.

The front half of that looks about average for Austin this time of year.  Yes, it's too cold for me.  Someday I'll be moving to a tropical island in the Caribbean or something.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 08, 2020, 09:14:29 AM
I don’t know badge. I have been down here from Michigan since the beginning of 2016 and everyone keeps telling me that my blood will thin out and the cold weather will really get to me like it does get to them. But it has not happened yet. This cool air actually is a great relief for me from the 6 to 8 months of 90+ degrees and 95% humidity!
It takes a while. 20 years in Southern California and I'm nowhere near as tolerant of cold as I was then... But still much more tolerant of cold than the natives here. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 08, 2020, 09:30:15 AM
37 F here this morning, but sunny.  Go for a walk soon.

A lot of folks on the beach walking,
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Post by: FearlessF on December 08, 2020, 09:31:43 AM
Might set a record high here tomorrow afternoon while on the golf course

high of 55 today - it's balmy AF
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 08, 2020, 09:49:27 AM


How the hell are you getting all that balmy weather and I'm seeing sled dog deliveries all over the place?To hell with Austin I'm moving to sewer city
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Post by: utee94 on December 08, 2020, 09:52:36 AM
That's the spirit!
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Post by: GopherRock on December 08, 2020, 10:01:28 AM
High of 48 tomorrow here in MSP with brilliant sunshine. It's kind of crazy to think that it will be December 9 and I'll be taking my road bike out without being muffled to the eyebrows.

All the golf courses here that are still open have been stacked solid. Definitely helps their bottom lines for the year.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 08, 2020, 10:03:30 AM
so, where are the Boomer Sooners?

how come I've not heard of "The Smoked Oklahoma Prime Rib" before???

utee?  Longhorn?

Hooky would have known, he had relatives from there or lived there a while
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 08, 2020, 10:17:45 AM
70 when I walked the dog this morning. Expected high of 81 today.
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Post by: longhorn320 on December 08, 2020, 10:19:19 AM
its supposed to get up to 71 in Houston today

eat your heart out Fearless
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Post by: utee94 on December 08, 2020, 10:25:57 AM
so, where are the Boomer Sooners?

how come I've not heard of "The Smoked Oklahoma Prime Rib" before???

utee?  Longhorn?

Hooky would have known, he had relatives from there or lived there a while
There are places around here that will run a special on smoked prime rib from time to time.  I didn't know it was an Oklahoma thing.

It's not my favorite cut, even smoked, so I don't ever really order it and I've never done it myself.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 08, 2020, 12:18:41 PM
so, you haven't heard of "it" before.....

https://www.smoking-meat.com/january-31-2013-smoked-bologna-great-superbowl-food?fbclid=IwAR2LDPC2d4yUY7kZBX3D4TNI8990xWkfR2SiZtxHvXtgsU3fqWqd08thUik (https://www.smoking-meat.com/january-31-2013-smoked-bologna-great-superbowl-food?fbclid=IwAR2LDPC2d4yUY7kZBX3D4TNI8990xWkfR2SiZtxHvXtgsU3fqWqd08thUik)

The Smoked Oklahoma Prime Rib
(https://www.smoking-meat.com/image-files/IMG_7596-2000x1333-686x458.jpg)
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 08, 2020, 12:21:27 PM
That's a joke, right? :57:

I mean, an intentional one?
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Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on December 08, 2020, 12:47:57 PM
It takes a while. 20 years in Southern California and I'm nowhere near as tolerant of cold as I was then... But still much more tolerant of cold than the natives here.
I spent the summer of 1982 in San Antonio were it felt like the surface of the sun everyday. The morning I got back to Ohio, the temp was in the mid 50's and I was freezing. So for me, it took about 3 months to "thin my blood" so to say. However, it didn't take long to build my tolerance for the cold back up.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 08, 2020, 12:57:02 PM
That's a joke, right? :57:

I mean, an intentional one?
the land thieves are the butt of many jokes

they've earned it, for the most part

(https://www.smoking-meat.com/image-files/IMG_7632-2000x1333-686x458.jpg)
finished product coming out of the Oklahoma Joe smoker
or maybe just warmed up.  I guess it gets blacker before it's done
smoke ring???
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2020, 12:58:22 PM
You'd all go blind from reading what I think that thing looks like.


That being said, I bet it tastes good.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 08, 2020, 01:00:03 PM
If/when I visit my brother, I think we'll try it with a case of Budweiser

and a couple football games on the boob tube
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Post by: utee94 on December 08, 2020, 01:54:23 PM
Ah now I get it, okie version of prime rib.  :)

Overall though, I agree with OAM-- it probably tastes pretty darn good. 
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 08, 2020, 02:05:51 PM
Overall though, I agree with OAM
Damn fool ya just had to go and trigger the Apocalypse,didn't cha?
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 08, 2020, 04:54:18 PM
This is unreal, but not unbelievable. It's Chicago.

Chicago alderman’s Ann Sather restaurant facing up to $10,500 in possible fines for indoor dining violations - Chicago Tribune (https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-chicago-tunney-ann-sather-city-fines-20201208-q5tcop4oara53n44fp4y2qquby-story.html)
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Post by: FearlessF on December 08, 2020, 05:30:18 PM
Sorry CW,

Just joking with y'all

https://www.smoking-meat.com/january-31-2013-smoked-bologna-great-superbowl-food?fbclid=IwAR2LDPC2d4yUY7kZBX3D4TNI8990xWkfR2SiZtxHvXtgsU3fqWqd08thUik (https://www.smoking-meat.com/january-31-2013-smoked-bologna-great-superbowl-food?fbclid=IwAR2LDPC2d4yUY7kZBX3D4TNI8990xWkfR2SiZtxHvXtgsU3fqWqd08thUik)

Ingredients

5 lb chub of bologna
1/4 cup of Jeff's barbecue sauce (Purchase formula here | Purchase bottled sauce)
1/4 cup of yellow mustard (hotdog mustard)
Jeff's original rub (Purchase formula here | Purchase bottled rub)

Directions

Remove the wax or paper from the 5 lb chub. Cut the bottom off to give it a flat place to sit and keep it from rolling.


Using a sharp knife, make vertical cuts or slices in the bologna about 3/4 of the way through and at about 1/2 inch intervals.

Slather on some of the “Jeff's Mustard Sauce” (recipe shown above) making sure to get it down in between the slices as much as possible. Be generous with this stuff!
Sprinkle Jeff's original rub onto the outside of the chub, making sure to get it on the sides and ends as well.

Place the Oklahoma Prime Rib into a 225°F smoker for about 2 hours using pecan or your favorite smoking wood.

When it's done smoking, slice and serve.



Jeff Phillips here.. owner and originator of the smoking-meat.com website.

Probably a rich arrogant Texan
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Post by: GopherRock on December 08, 2020, 05:30:25 PM
Smoked Oklahoma prime rib looks like the derogatory term for a large chub of Oscar Meyer baloney coated with Montreal steak seasoning.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 09, 2020, 03:27:02 PM
If you ever visit Hilton Head, the Jazz Corner is a don't miss.  Great food and great live performances.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 10, 2020, 12:17:32 PM
Having some leftover baby back ribs for breakfast.

Take that, egg lobby!
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 10, 2020, 12:36:23 PM
Nice try, but that pig was once a fertilized egg. 

Resistance is futile. 
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Post by: utee94 on December 10, 2020, 12:36:27 PM
Having some leftover baby back ribs for breakfast.

Take that, egg lobby!
For lunch I just had leftover enchiladas...

...topped with a fried egg.



All Hail the Egg Lobby!
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 10, 2020, 12:49:31 PM
I had leftover Bolognese for breakfast. No eggs.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 10, 2020, 01:00:54 PM
I had broasted chicken wings last night with Grim Reaper sauce

and some french fried taters

was near 60 degrees here yesterday afternoon - played 23 holes of golf, drank 12 Budweisers and two shots of fireball.  Then went to the bar for wings and more Budweiser.

twas a fine December 9th in NW Iowa
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Post by: utee94 on December 10, 2020, 01:08:55 PM
Hit 79 yesterday here at my casa. Only supposed to get up to 78 today.

I love that wintery weather!
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 10, 2020, 03:04:13 PM
We lucked out weatherwise in HH, back in the ATL now, where it is nice weather as well.

Always nice to get good seafood.  It's a five hour drive and I'm a bit tired.  Traffic on I-75 of course was rather dense.  

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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 10, 2020, 03:52:48 PM
Hit the driving range today. Man, if I could hit 'em like that on the actual course, I'd be pretty good at this golf thing!

Bit chilly though, only a high of 65 today. 
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 10, 2020, 04:05:52 PM
IT RAINED!!!!!!!!

First time since summer.
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 10, 2020, 04:13:37 PM
It's my understanding you're going to have that in a Desert
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Post by: utee94 on December 10, 2020, 04:15:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lsB00ED.png)
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 10, 2020, 04:26:56 PM
That's exactly what I was thinking,Fookin' mind reader,ya got me on the Real Genuis quote also.That young comedian special he did in '84 was classic
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Post by: utee94 on December 10, 2020, 04:35:33 PM
I got to see Sam Kinison at one of his last tour stops before he died.  He was even better live in concert.  Just awesome.
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 10, 2020, 04:39:25 PM
"Should of shot your ass in Danang when I had the chance"
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Post by: FearlessF on December 10, 2020, 05:05:42 PM
when "experts" talk about water shortages, they never refer to North and South Dakota
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 10, 2020, 05:14:45 PM
Okay FF I'll bite where's that going?
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Post by: FearlessF on December 10, 2020, 07:08:44 PM
I'm guessing the water pipeline that some billionaire oil guy from Oklahoma was going to build would take water to the dessert  
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Post by: longhorn320 on December 10, 2020, 07:32:47 PM
[img width=500 height=356.997]https://i.imgur.com/lsB00ED.png[/img]
have you seen his routine where he's Jesus trying to explain to his wife why he was getting home late

finally he screams "I was dead"
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Post by: longhorn320 on December 10, 2020, 07:36:18 PM
I found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4rbobz9Ylo


Its a little rough so be careful with kids around
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Post by: FearlessF on December 10, 2020, 08:20:11 PM
(https://scontent.fdsm1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/131257128_3646828625403126_8088604272790935973_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=hVz_3D4b2g0AX__0s3h&_nc_ht=scontent.fdsm1-1.fna&tp=6&oh=7395a45ddd1a15a8b48ab35b5c74e6e8&oe=5FF90763)
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 11, 2020, 12:17:42 AM
https://youtu.be/9GXPd0fnpKw
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on December 11, 2020, 12:42:14 AM
Since 1970, by win %:
1. Alabama
2. Georgia
3. Florida
4. Auburn
5. LSU
6. Tennessee

.
That's 50 years.  UT is boring.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 11, 2020, 07:25:39 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/RzDvxjf.png)
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 11, 2020, 08:22:28 AM
NICE!!!
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Post by: longhorn320 on December 11, 2020, 04:48:57 PM
Since 1970, by win %:
1. Alabama
2. Georgia
3. Florida
4. Auburn
5. LSU
6. Tennessee

.
That's 50 years.  UT is boring.
not sure where you get your data but here is what I found


https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-football-winningest-programs-Alabama-Crimson-Tide-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Texas-Longhorns-Georgia-Bulldogs-USC-Trojans-145649289/#145649289_14


1   Ohio St
2   Oklahoma
3   Alabama
4   Nebraska
5   Penn St
6   Michigan
7   Boise St
8   USC
9   Florida St
10 Georgia
12 Texas


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Post by: Honestbuckeye on December 11, 2020, 04:50:09 PM
not sure where you get your data but here is what I found


https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-football-winningest-programs-Alabama-Crimson-Tide-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Texas-Longhorns-Georgia-Bulldogs-USC-Trojans-145649289/#145649289_14


1  Ohio St
2  Oklahoma
3  Alabama
4  Nebraska
5  Penn St
6  Michigan
7  Boise St
8  USC
9  Florida St
10 Georgia
12 Texas



Science😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 11, 2020, 05:59:06 PM
Gunshow - Glenwood Park, Atlanta, GA (gunshowatl.com) (https://gunshowatl.com/?_ga=2.2680688.1367248677.1607727381-561561140.1607727381)

One of the top rated restaurants in the ATL.

$99 per person.

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Post by: longhorn320 on December 11, 2020, 06:09:12 PM
kinda hoity toity aint it?
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Post by: CWSooner on December 11, 2020, 06:36:18 PM
not sure where you get your data but here is what I found


https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-football-winningest-programs-Alabama-Crimson-Tide-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Texas-Longhorns-Georgia-Bulldogs-USC-Trojans-145649289/#145649289_14


1  Ohio St
2  Oklahoma
3  Alabama
4  Nebraska
5  Penn St
6  Michigan
7  Boise St
8  USC
9  Florida St
10 Georgia
12 Texas
OAM only listed SEC teams.
They are the only ones that matter, are they not?
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 11, 2020, 06:39:09 PM
kinda hoity toity aint it?
Yup, haven't been, called to make a reservation and they wanted my credit card for a no show - $75.

I hear it's good.  Whatever.  Probably will try it soon enough.  I'm overwhelmed with new places to try.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 11, 2020, 06:39:38 PM
OAM only listed SEC teams.
They are the only ones that matter, are they not?
Well, they just mean more of course.

I see they signed a TV contract with ABC/ESPN.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 11, 2020, 07:24:10 PM
Yup, haven't been, called to make a reservation and they wanted my credit card for a no show - $75.

I hear it's good.  Whatever.  Probably will try it soon enough.  I'm overwhelmed with new places to try.
I'd find a few other spots to try until a buyer came to town
use someone's company credit card
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Post by: longhorn320 on December 11, 2020, 08:52:54 PM
Yup, haven't been, called to make a reservation and they wanted my credit card for a no show - $75.

I hear it's good.  Whatever.  Probably will try it soon enough.  I'm overwhelmed with new places to try.
there would have to be a naked girl give me a lap dance for me to pay that much
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Post by: FearlessF on December 11, 2020, 09:01:41 PM
I could possibly pay $99 for a meal, but there better be some Wagyu Beef and other top shelf food

AND top shelf drinks would need to be included

I'll give the extra $25 for a tip

I've never tried Wagyu.  Don't really think it could be that much better than a prime steak from Iowa
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 11, 2020, 10:20:15 PM
Wagyu is really good.  Once had  wagyu hotdog.
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Post by: FearlessF on December 11, 2020, 10:35:47 PM
just doesn't seem right
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 12, 2020, 08:23:27 AM
I'll take a NW Iowa steak, please.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 12, 2020, 08:40:45 AM
just doesn't seem right
I concur, really, but I've had a few steaks and they are really really good, no doubt.  They are like prime cuts but less fatty somehow in my experience.

Are they worth the money to me?  Nope, maybe special occasion worthy, maybe.  I prefer having "more elegant" fare dining out though.  I can do a pretty good steak here.
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 12, 2020, 08:44:30 AM
There is a local steak place called "STK" that we've talked about visiting but have never dined there.  They had a deal on buy a $100 gift card and get a $50 bonus gift card so I did it.  Haven't been yet, the $50 is limited to 3 months after 1/1/21.

STK Atlanta | Steakhouse, Seafood, & Drinks (stksteakhouse.com) (https://stksteakhouse.com/venues/atlanta/)

I just checked their menu, it ain't cheap at all.  Huh.  Probably be a one time deal for us.

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Post by: FearlessF on December 12, 2020, 09:21:36 AM
obviously, Cincy is living right

https://neurosciencenews.com/cheese-wine-cognition-17408/ (https://neurosciencenews.com/cheese-wine-cognition-17408/)


Here are four of the most significant findings from the study:

1- Cheese, by far, was shown to be the most protective food against age-related cognitive problems, even late into life;
2 - The daily consumption of alchohol, particularly red wine, was related to improvements in cognitive function;
3 - Weekly consumption of lamb, but not other red meats, was shown to improve long-term cognitive prowess; and
4 - Excessive consumption of salt is bad, but only individuals already at risk for Alzheimer’s Disease may need to watch their intake to avoid cognitive problems over time.
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Post by: utee94 on December 12, 2020, 10:00:45 AM
Well shoot I got the cheese and wine part covered.  I guess I need more lamb.  And I don't use much salt at all whilst cooking, and rarely add salt to anything afterward.

Well not entirely true.  The brisket rub uses quite a bit of salt, and cracked black pepper.
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Post by: MaximumSam on December 12, 2020, 10:06:20 AM
I wish Kroger would stock more goat
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 12, 2020, 10:15:31 AM
Go find a middle eastern market - or some Hill Folk
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 12, 2020, 10:25:33 AM
There is a local steak place called "STK" that we've talked about visiting but have never dined there.  They had a deal on buy a $100 gift card and get a $50 bonus gift card so I did it.  Haven't been yet, the $50 is limited to 3 months after 1/1/21.

STK Atlanta | Steakhouse, Seafood, & Drinks (stksteakhouse.com) (https://stksteakhouse.com/venues/atlanta/)

I just checked their menu, it ain't cheap at all.  Huh.  Probably be a one time deal for us.
Apparently a chain. Judging by their web site it'll probably be good, but overpriced for the "atmosphere"... 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 12, 2020, 10:26:10 AM
Salt is life. 
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Post by: FearlessF on December 12, 2020, 10:26:22 AM
the latinos in the area eat a lot of goat, but I'm not in the circle

I don't use much salt, plenty of pepper and spice instead
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 12, 2020, 10:50:27 AM
Best goat I ever ate was freshly prepared by a Catholic Priest from Uganda.

Long story.
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 12, 2020, 10:52:27 AM
If I ever bump into a Priest from Uganda I'll ask him to fire up the spit
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Post by: bayareabadger on December 12, 2020, 10:56:42 AM
Best goat I ever ate was freshly prepared by a Catholic Priest from Uganda.

Long story.
If you ever find your way back to Madison (in summer of course) Dotty's has or had a greek lamb burger, which is among the best food I've had. It's not on the menu at the moment, but I wonder (hope?) that's a COVID thing. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on December 12, 2020, 11:01:47 AM
Never been there. 
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Post by: utee94 on December 12, 2020, 11:04:14 AM
Goat's common around here.  

Best goat I ever ate was BBQ'd cabrito on the grounds of a huge Mexican hacienda outside of Saltillo.
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Post by: MrNubbz on December 12, 2020, 11:05:45 AM
Goat's common around here. 

Sounds freakin' good,I might start looking around here
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 12, 2020, 11:20:46 AM
Apparently a chain. Judging by their web site it'll probably be good, but overpriced for the "atmosphere"...
Yup, they have about ten other STKs, so a small chain, and over priced is I think guaranteed.  There is another spot called Bones will is supposedly the best in town, according to some.  The real best place is probably some one off in the 'burbs that gets no press.


About – Bone's Restaurant


Bones opened its doors in 1979 with a mission to provide only the finest service, steaks and seafood. Since that time, we’re proud to have been recognized as the best steakhouse in Atlanta — and by many, as the best steakhouse in America. Prime beef, fresh seafood, and Maine lobster are served along with regional specialties from our Southern roots. (http://bonesrestaurant.com/about/)
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Post by: Cincydawg on December 12, 2020, 11:23:36 AM
The Whole Foods near us has an aged beef selection and they age it themselves.  I might give one a go.

As many note, a steakhouse is not really unique enough for me to get overly excited about.  I can snare a really good steak at Midtown Meat Shop for $40 or so and open a terrific bottle of wine and fix taters and have a great meal here with little difficulty.

And that on an electric grill, which is far better than I expected.

I'd rather dine out French/Italian/Thai/Vietnamese/Japanese/Persian/whatever.

Have any of youse guys ever dined at an upscale Mexican place?
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Post by: utee94 on December 12, 2020, 11:32:42 AM
The Whole Foods near us has an aged beef selection and they age it themselves.  I might give one a go.

As many note, a steakhouse is not really unique enough for me to get overly excited about.  I can snare a really good steak at Midtown Meat Shop for $40 or so and open a terrific bottle of wine and fix taters and have a great meal here with little difficulty.

And that on an electric grill, which is far better than I expected.

I'd rather dine out French/Italian/Thai/Vietnamese/Japanese/Persian/whatever.

Have any of youse guys ever dined at an upscale Mexican place?