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Mdot21

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« Reply #1876 on: January 27, 2021, 04:28:54 PM »
I'd probably head to Sardinia.
Never been, I desperately want to go. I think I'd go to Sicily. Been there a couple times and love it.

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« Reply #1877 on: January 27, 2021, 04:29:56 PM »
Sicily would be fine too.
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« Reply #1878 on: January 27, 2021, 04:30:22 PM »
California is dying. Between 2008-2019 alone, 18,000 businesses have left California to relocate in other states. HP announced in December that they were moving their headquarters from California and relocating to Houston, TX and Oracle also announced in December they were doing the same and moving to Ausitn, TX.

Elon Musk already moved to Austin, TX and plans on relocating Tesla's headquarters there.
I wouldn't say California is dying. HP, Oracle, and Tesla will still retain major operations in the Bay Area, because that's where TONS of good employees are. They're moving HQ. 

California may lose some prominence, but people still want to live here. People put up with the negatives (cost of living and taxes) in exchange for the weather, the beaches, the scenery, and the cultural variety offered by the state, etc. 

What I think we're seeing, particularly with the Silicon Valley set, is that companies are trying to diversify. Heck, one of the reasons for that is that the employment market for tech workers in the Bay Area is TOO competitive--it's hard to retain employees when literally every corner houses another potential employer for them. 

Not everyone wants the Bay Area lifestyle, so they can get employees who are perhaps a little more stable and less likely to jump jobs on a whim in Austin or Houston. 

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« Reply #1879 on: January 27, 2021, 04:37:04 PM »
citizens united ruling overturned election spending restrictions. Opened pandoras box to allow corporations and the wealthy to spend unlimited funds on campaign advertising so long as they aren't formally co-ordinating with a candidate. the super PAC became a thing because of it. in the 8 years after it was passed, super pacs alone spent $3 billion to federal elections. It's hardly a nothingburger.
No, Speechnow got rid of spending limits. The Super PAC thing is from Speechnow, although a lot of people believe it was due to Citizens United because they occurred at the same time and everyone complains about Citizens United.

All Citizens United did was ensure corporations to have the same speech rights that the individuals who comprise that corporation have. Another misconception is that it said corporations were people--whereas corporate "personhood" is a completely different and much longer-standing idea. 

Citizens United said that individuals have the right to political speech, and when those individuals come together in a corporate form, they don't forfeit that right. 

But it was SpeechNow that said that individuals cannot be limited in their donations to political organizations that operate and advocate outside of direct coordination with candidates. 

Two different things. What you're accusing Citizens United of was done by SpeechNow. 

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« Reply #1880 on: January 27, 2021, 05:06:42 PM »
Gotta love this board. Legit learn something new here everyday. Pretty cool. Thanks for the edumication brother!

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« Reply #1881 on: January 27, 2021, 05:12:52 PM »
Gotta love this board. Legit learn something new here everyday. Pretty cool. Thanks for the edumication brother!
No problem!

I did some research back in the day when everyone was up in arms over Citizens United... I did something rash, and ya know, actually read the majority opinion. Nothing I read had anything to do with the criticisms of the ruling, so I knew I had to dig deeper. 

I think Citizens United gets all the attention because of the facts of the case, and who the intended target was of the movie that Citizens United was trying to air. When--in close temporal proximity--SuperPACs became a thing, people just naturally conflated the two. 

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« Reply #1882 on: January 27, 2021, 06:18:56 PM »
California has around 27% of all homelessness in the country. 53% of all Califonrian's are considering leaving the state. 63% of millennials are considering leaving the state. 66% of people in the SF Bay Area said they would considering leaving California if they could always work from home.
So, not that Ca is a paradise, but all these things basically come down to A. It's temperate B. It's expensive. 

The homelessness is exacerbated by several factors, but a big one is that just about all year in both massive metro areas, you won't die sleeping outside. And that's actually kinda rare. 

And people tend to "consider" leaving places that are expensive. I live in a town I like very much and I've been considering leaving for about half the time I lived here (and will leave very soon).

The part about considering leaving if they could work from home, I bet they would. Jobs pay more there. And if I could keep a salary from a high-priced part of the world and live somewhere I could buy a house, I'd consider the hell out of that.

(That or they're getting priced out, like in Austin) 

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« Reply #1883 on: January 27, 2021, 06:22:54 PM »
I'd point out that for all the people "considering" leaving California, the population grows every year. 

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« Reply #1884 on: January 27, 2021, 06:27:38 PM »
I'd point out that for all the people "considering" leaving California, the population grows every year.
Yeah, because children are born. 

California is actually losing people. More people are leaving the state than people are moving to the state.

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« Reply #1885 on: January 27, 2021, 06:28:44 PM »
This is amazing. Basically just dropping knowledge shitting all over the CNBC interviewer for 30 Mins straight. Amazing.


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« Reply #1886 on: January 27, 2021, 06:29:35 PM »
And what's the worse-case scenario?  CA goes from the 6th-largest economy in the world to 7th?  
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« Reply #1887 on: January 27, 2021, 06:30:28 PM »
Yeah, because children are born.

California is actually losing people. More people are leaving the state than people are moving to the state.
So just to be clear:  children aren't being born there?  
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« Reply #1888 on: January 27, 2021, 06:35:21 PM »
53% of all Califonrian's are considering leaving the state. 
Cool, and I bet 95% of all Mississippians are as happy to stay put as a pig in shit.  So what?  
I see that stat and think wow, they're being proactive, keeping their options open, and are financially able to move when they choose to.  
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Meanwhile, down in MS, they're happily awaiting that 3rd grandbaby from their HS daughter, while motoring around in Walmart looking for a new rebel flag hankie.  You couldn't entice them out of their echo chamber if you bribed them with free diabetes meds and 100 scratch-offs.
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« Reply #1889 on: January 27, 2021, 06:44:32 PM »
Man, irritated.

Ordered an electric fireplace for the bedroom. It took a couple weeks to arrive. I scoped out the spot on the wall, and was getting ready to install it when I noticed the plug, which is...not for American outlets.

It shipped from California to Ohio, so not sure how I got a European version, but there we are. Probably why California is dying.

 

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