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They don't.

But a lot of folks think that open government retaliation for speaking out on public issues is a very, very bad thing. And frankly, we all should.

we're also pretending Disney and YOU or ME or any single individual has equal rights- that oppressing/suppressing our voice is the same as suppressing Disney- a company that has as big a platform as any platform there is.  

it wouldn't be a problem until the board of directors at disney saw fit to use their platform as a means to socially engineer- the same social engineering the teachers union has taken, and in step with a political party's- as if social engineering is the most important and noble cause in the world... 

"no law written by man that counters the laws of nature will stand the test of time".... yet... that is precisely what is happening... and the social engineering is and has impacted the aspects that are far more important... not to mention wrecking any recovering relations that was naturally occurring... and for what? 

get woke go broke.  it's a pretty sensible position to adopt- with evidence to back it up.  pretending, through media no matter if print, broadcast, or social that one side is massively more popular than another- which is precisely what is happening- is backfiring.... and it should... 

and the curious thing?  i don't know a soul who gives a damn if someone is gay, or trans, or wants to pretend they're plumbed differently depending on the whatever catalyst they choose- people just don't care.  people don't care if someone is black or white or anywhere in between- what color their hair is or if they have a tooth or not... it just doesn't matter... but... we're TOLD it DOES matter, and it matters SO much everything needs to come to a complete stop and we should divide and hate others that don't share our position.... which is what Disney/ESPN has and is doing... along with Twitter and FB/Insta... and all the major networks... and having a voice massively larger than any one single individual, they demand protection under the same contract as individuals... that's some cowardly shit right there. 

and... that is at the heart of all this... at what point should there be limitations on what you can say if you're NOT a person but a corporation?  

again the Florida government is not its own entity

Its the people of Florida doing this

and also again no action was taken to close down Disney but only not to treat them special

you can call it hurting free speech all you want but it just isnt

I'm sorry, "The government=the people" is a silly sidestep. In this country, you are allowed to advocate for unpopular opinions. And the government, even if it represents the people, retaliating against unpopular opinions runs counter to every functional definition of free speech. 

The action was taken to make life harder for them economically. That's retaliation. I think we're in agreement that they shouldn't receive a special dispensation (lots of businesses shouldn't), but if you take that dispensation away for directly opposing the party in power, it's antithetical to the first amendment and some of the baseline principles of our society. 

And if the explanation is, my side should be able to chill speech at many turns, but also be able to use the property of others for my speech, even if they don't want me to, I'm afraid we are truly lost as a society. It's a shame, really. 

I'm sorry, "The government=the people" is a silly sidestep. In this country, you are allowed to advocate for unpopular opinions. And the government, even if it represents the people, retaliating against unpopular opinions runs counter to every functional definition of free speech.

The action was taken to make life harder for them economically. That's retaliation. I think we're in agreement that they shouldn't receive a special dispensation (lots of businesses shouldn't), but if you take that dispensation away for directly opposing the party in power, it's antithetical to the first amendment and some of the baseline principles of our society.

And if the explanation is, my side should be able to chill speech at many turns, but also be able to use the property of others for my speech, even if they don't want me to, I'm afraid we are truly lost as a society. It's a shame, really.

and again, you're pretending Disney should be managed the same as a person with inalienable rights... which, legally and because of corporation status they are... but you know as well as I do that is a loophole that needs to be closed.  Disney, though enjoying the same rights as you or me, has the individual ability to influence hundreds of thousands of votes- and they do influence... and therein lies the issue.  

how to fix it? 

hellifiknow. 

And in order to kill corporate personhood, you need to go a lot further back than Citizens United.

And in order to kill corporate personhood, you need to go a lot further back than Citizens United.

Very true. But that case did break down barriers we had limiting them from certain kinds of speech. 

Very true. But that case did break down barriers we had limiting them from certain kinds of speech.

money does not = speech. corporations do not = people. 

nothing will get fixed in this country until those two problems are fixed. 

Corporations have always had SOME of the same rights as people, individuals.  One can draw the line here or there of course.  Citizen's U was about a movie.

And I'd opine those with MONEY have more capacity for speech than those without.

More capacity to make truly free speech difficult as well.