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Topic: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread

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mcwterps1

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #994 on: January 16, 2020, 08:50:54 PM »
There were missed calls both ways - as there always are. And Dan... let's just say he's not what he used to be.

I'm feeling nice today.
I feel like Maryland's calls, the ones that were correct, were justified. 

The announcers called out several that went Wisc way. 

Neither of us should take offense to it. We didn't play, but it was definitely one sided. 

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #995 on: January 16, 2020, 10:15:35 PM »
The same old tired nonexistent reasoning for officiating.

The no calls, the ball off of the Wisconsin player in the final minutes, the no-call holding Cowan along the baseline , the no call over the back on Dante.....

As Dan said, "it's good to be the home team in the BIG".
I get it but at the very least stats like FTA and fouls called are factual. They are inarguable.  When you start getting into missed no calls it’s an opinion that is usually influenced by your rooting interest.

You and Badge could have sat right beside each other and had a wildly different opinion on what was being missed and which team was benefitting from it.

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #996 on: January 16, 2020, 10:47:44 PM »
I feel like Maryland's calls, the ones that were correct, were justified.

The announcers called out several that went Wisc way.

Neither of us should take offense to it. We didn't play, but it was definitely one sided.
I feel like every game Maryland plays I hear about calls. At some point, I'm gonna assume it's an overreaction or the same selective attention that affects most fans. I am already past that point. 

A not-great Maryland offensive team played not great offense on the road, kinda as usual. The very good defense was pretty good, but one bucket short.

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #997 on: January 17, 2020, 12:39:46 AM »
I'm conscious that I've complained about officiating more than many people here, so I'll put this here....

You can't expect to get fair officiating on the road, especially in conference play. Fair or not, that's the reality.

I sorted BartTorvik by Defensive FT Rate, which is a good proxy for defensive foul rate. Michigan under Beilein was one of the least foul-prone teams in the conference and the country. Not so, now, and here is this year's Defensive FT rates by BartTorvik (National Rank):

1. Nebraska (2)
2. Illinois (7)
3. Maryland (17)
4. Rutgers (24)
5. Wisconsin (54)
6. Michigan (69)
7. Iowa (76)
8. Minnesota (87)
9. Northwestern (92)
10. Michigan State (107)
11. Purdue (109)
12. Ohio State (131)
13. Indiana (175)
14. Penn State (215)

These stats don't show it, but while I think BigTen officiating could be better and Big Ten teams do seem to get a better whistle in non-con play (even in major non-con games as opposed to just guarantee games), BigTen games tend to favor the home team and also seem to be somewhat inconsistent. It is what it is, though.

That said, foul aversion is not always a good thing (though it also does indicate that your team is in the lead at the end of most games, since otherwise there's no reason to foul, of course). There are smart fouls, of course, on players who shoot <60% that are worth fouling in late-game situations even if you're winning, so long as your defense has gotten the shot clock down to under 10 seconds for that possession.
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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #998 on: January 17, 2020, 11:27:43 AM »
Wisconsin will finish in the Top 4 of the Big Ten.
With the way this year is going, "Top 4" in the Big Ten is going to include 12 teams.

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #999 on: January 17, 2020, 11:33:50 AM »
I get it but at the very least stats like FTA and fouls called are factual. They are inarguable.  When you start getting into missed no calls it’s an opinion that is usually influenced by your rooting interest.

You and Badge could have sat right beside each other and had a wildly different opinion on what was being missed and which team was benefitting from it.
Probably not. I know what was missed and who benefitted from the misses. The home team benefitted more. Shocking. Not.

I do think the announcers got a little overboard on two of the calls that went UW's way, and on one of the calls that went MD's way. It happens. They talk to hear themselves talk sometimes, and Dakich has gotten prolific at that. He used to be good.
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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1000 on: January 17, 2020, 11:39:00 AM »
Lunardi's bracket today now has 12 Big Ten teams in

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1001 on: January 17, 2020, 12:10:06 PM »
Muhammad and Washington will play tomorrow for OSU at PSU

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1002 on: January 17, 2020, 04:36:46 PM »
Muhammad and Washington will play tomorrow for OSU at PSU
That is much needed.  Ohio State demolished the Nittany Lions in Columbus so this could potentially be a rare road win.  

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1003 on: January 17, 2020, 04:44:59 PM »
Lunardi's bracket today now has 12 Big Ten teams in
Has any conference ever had that many?  What is the record?  I googled it and found an article from 2017 stating that the ACC set a record with nine teams in the 2017 tournament.  

The teams/seeds per Lunardi:
  • n/a
  • MSU
  • n/a
  • UMD
  • tOSU, M
  • UW, IA
  • n/a
  • RU, PSU
  • IL, IU
  • PU
  • n/a
  • MN (play-in)
Based on past history those 12 teams at those seeds should produce (I treated Minnesota as 1/2 of a 12-seed based on the play-in):
  • 6.85 teams winning a R64 game to advance to the round of 32
  • 2.90 teams winning a R32 game to advance to the Sweet 16
  • 1.17 teams winning a S16 game to advance to the Elite 8
  • 0.52 teams winning an E8 game to make the F4
  • 0.22 teams winning a F4 game to advance to the NC
  • 0.07 teams winning the NC


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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1004 on: January 17, 2020, 05:41:05 PM »
I feel like every game Maryland plays I hear about calls. At some point, I'm gonna assume it's an overreaction or the same selective attention that affects most fans. I am already past that point.

A not-great Maryland offensive team played not great offense on the road, kinda as usual. The very good defense was pretty good, but one bucket short.
Nah. I feel like Maryland got the oddest calls vs Ohio State at home, by calling them odd. 

But, keep thinking I cannot be objective. 

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1005 on: January 17, 2020, 06:45:23 PM »
Nah. I feel like Maryland got the oddest calls vs Ohio State at home, by calling them odd.

But, keep thinking I cannot be objective.
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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1006 on: January 17, 2020, 09:10:56 PM »
The same old tired nonexistent reasoning for officiating.

The no calls, the ball off of the Wisconsin player in the final minutes, the no-call holding Cowan along the baseline , the no call over the back on Dante.....

As Dan said, "it's good to be the home team in the BIG".
I don't know who Dan is, but the problem is not just in the B1G.
SI did an analysis of home-field advantage several years ago and found basketball as the worst offender (that is, had the most HFA).
The explanation is that the zebras are so close to the fans and they don't want to get the fans angry at them.
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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #1007 on: January 17, 2020, 09:20:55 PM »
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