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Topic: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread

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847badgerfan

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #980 on: January 15, 2020, 06:47:43 PM »
Oh yeah.
Holy sheet.

What a crock.
Yeah, you're right.


It's not every day that you see the visiting team MAKE more free throws than the home team TAKES.
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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #981 on: January 15, 2020, 09:02:36 PM »
This year is a crapshoot. There's just not enough differentiation that the tier system works the way it should, IMHO. We have maybe a few teams that are bordering on excellent [not elite], and then a huge middle group that's very, very good.

I don't know what to think.
I'll check tomorrow, but I think we actually have less upsets now than usual. 

The conference is ridiculously loaded. Looking at the rankings that ELA posted above, we have 12 teams in the top-40. That is roughly the line for "tournament quality" for power conference teams. 

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #982 on: January 15, 2020, 09:08:33 PM »
Indiana and Rutgers at 13-4
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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #983 on: January 15, 2020, 09:15:01 PM »
Day after Duke loses to Clemson, Kentucky loses to SC and Butler to Seton Hall.

Tough to see any P5 teams finishing with fewer than 6-7 losses

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #984 on: January 15, 2020, 10:54:12 PM »
Wisconsin's win against Md last night means if they can sweep the three games with bottom two teams, they only need to go 4-7 against good teams (Minnesota or better) to get to 18-14, which I think makes the dance this year considering the schedule quality (it leaves them maybe needing one more in the BTT, but we'll have a clearer picture when we get there). 

What's interesting is they head into a four-game stretch with their easiest game and their four hardest. If UW goes 2-2 in the next four, they'll be in fantastic shape. 

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #985 on: January 16, 2020, 07:05:12 AM »
Day after Duke loses to Clemson, Kentucky loses to SC and Butler to Seton Hall.

Tough to see any P5 teams finishing with fewer than 6-7 losses
The overall talent is way down from last year.  Who is a team that can contend for a title that has a top ten draft pick?  Dayton and Obi Toppin? 

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #986 on: January 16, 2020, 10:40:58 AM »
Updated projected final standings, BTT seeds, and BTT match-ups:

  • 15-5 Michigan State (wins tiebreaker with UMD based on record against the 11-9 teams)
  • 15-5 Maryland
  • 12-8 Michigan (wins tiebreaker with US based on H2H, no game in Madison)
  • 12-8 Wisconsin
  • 11-9 Iowa (wins 11-9 tiebreaker based on 3-2 H2H2H2H)
  • 11-9 Ohio State (tied with PU in 11-9 tiebreaker, wins tiebreaker over PU based on record against the 10-10 teams)
  • 11-9 Purdue
  • 11-9 Penn State (loses 11-9 tiebreaker based on 2-3 H2H2H2H)
  • 10-10 Illinois (wins tiebreaker over RU based on record against the 12-8 teams)
  • 10-10 Rutgers
  • 9-11 Minnesota (wins tiebreaker over IU based on record against the 12-8 teams)
  • 9-11 Indiana
  • 3-17 Nebraska
  • 1-19 Northwestern

Thus, the BTT Match-ups in Indianapolis would be:
Wednesday, March 11, 2020:
  • #11 Minnesota vs #14 Northwestern, 9:30pm, BTN
  • #12 Indiana vs #13 Nebraska, 6pm, BTN
Thursday, March 12, 2020:
  • #5 Iowa vs IU/UNL, 2:30pm, BTN
  • #6 Ohio State vs MN/NU, 9pm, BTN
  • #7 Purdue vs #10 Rutgers, 6:30pm, BTN
  • #8 Penn State vs #9 Illinois, noon, BTN
Friday, March 13, 2020:
  • #1 Michigan State vs PSU/IL, noon, BTN
  • #2 Maryland vs PU/RU, 6:30pm, BTN
  • #3 Michigan vs tOSU/MN/NU, 9pm, BTN
  • #4 Wisconsin vs IA/IU/UNL, 2:30pm, BTN
Saturday, March 14, 2020:
  • MSU/PSU/IL vs UW/IA/IU/UNL, 1pm, CBS
  • UMD/PU/RU vs M/tOSU/MN/NU, 3:30pm, CBS
Sunday, March 15, 2020:
  • MSU/PSU/IL/UW/IA/IU/UNL vs UMD/PU/RU/M/tOSU/MN/NU, 3:30pm, CBS

As noted previously, this is all VERY fluid due to #3 through #12 only being separated by three games.  


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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #987 on: January 16, 2020, 01:10:07 PM »
The overall talent is way down from last year.  Who is a team that can contend for a title that has a top ten draft pick?  Dayton and Obi Toppin?
I think Carey winds up being borderline Top 10.  He's gone from top 5 to out of the lottery, to back near the top.

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #988 on: January 16, 2020, 01:30:21 PM »
Were you thinking of Ed Hightower?  He retired in 2013.

Boom!  That's the one.

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #989 on: January 16, 2020, 04:20:07 PM »
Yeah, you're right.


It's not every day that you see the visiting team MAKE more free throws than the home team TAKES.
The same old tired nonexistent reasoning for officiating.

The no calls, the ball off of the Wisconsin player in the final minutes, the no-call holding Cowan along the baseline , the no call over the back on Dante.....

As Dan said, "it's good to be the home team in the BIG". 

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #990 on: January 16, 2020, 05:12:00 PM »
There were missed calls both ways - as there always are. And Dan... let's just say he's not what he used to be. 

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #991 on: January 16, 2020, 06:03:38 PM »
This weekend (Friday-Sunday) each B1G team plays one game.  The games are:

Wisconsin at Michigan State, Friday at 7pm on FS1:  The Badgers have won six of their last seven to improve from looking like they wouldn't even make the Tournament to looking like a potential league title contender but winning in East Lansing is a pretty tough challenge.  The Spartans won eight straight then got slaughtered in West Lafayette but they are still alone in first place in the league.  

Michigan at Iowa, Friday at 9pm on FS1:  The Wolverines have lost two of their last three and now find themselves below .500 in the league.  A win would get them back to .500 but they haven't won a true road game all year.  The Hawkeyes are .500 in the league and recently beat Maryland at home but they also recently lost to Nebraska in Lincoln.  

Ohio State at Penn State, Saturday at noon on ESPNU:  The Buckeyes snapped a four-game losing streak with a home win over Nebraska but they are just 2-4 in the league and tied with PSU and UNL for 11th/12th/13th in the standings.  Back in December the Buckeyes were looking like possibly the nations best team and beat PSU by 28 points (106-74) but this Buckeye squad hasn't looked like that Buckeye squad in quite a while.  The Nittany Lions have lost three straight and sunk from being ranked to being 2-4 in the league as well.  

Purdue at Maryland, Saturday at 2pm on ESPN2:  The Boilermakers lost badly in Champaign, lost a heart-breaker in Ann Arbor, then responded by beating the tar out of Michigan State in West Lafayette.  Winning in College Park would be tough though, Maryland hasn't lost at home all year.  

Northwestern at Illinois, Saturday at 5pm on BTN:  The Wildcats finally got a B1G win recently but that was at home and against Nebraska and this is neither of those things.  The Illini have won three straight including a remarkable win in Madison and are currently tied for second in the league.  Pending the outcome of the UW/MSU game the Illini will either be playing to move into second place all alone or into a three-way tie for first with those two teams.  

Indiana at Nebraska, Saturday at 7pm on BTN:  The Hoosiers have won two of their last three but both of the wins were at home and they have been dreadful away from home.  Nebraska has pulled off two nice upsets at home (PU, IA) and adding to that would really help them to show improvement.  

Minnesota at Rutgers, Sunday at 1pm on BTN:  The Gophers have won two straight and three of their last four but all three wins were at home and they haven't won a true road game all year.  The Scarlet Knights haven't lost a home game all year.  They are currently tied for second place in the league and with a win here they would at least maintain that if not moving into a tie for first with UW, MSU, and (possibly) IL.  

Vis-a-vis the tiers:
We project MSU to win over UW.  If UW were to win it would move them to +2 and MSU to -1.  Then we might need to move UW up again but I'm not sure because they do have that home loss to Illinois and all three upset wins would still be upsets even if we moved them up.  

We project Iowa to win over M.  If M were to win it would move them to +1 and IA to -2.  Then we might need to move Iowa down but both upsets would still be upsets even if we did.  

We project PSU to win over tOSU.  If tOSU were to win it would move them to even and PSU to -2.  Then we might need to move PSU down but both upsets (home losses to UW and tOSU) would still be upsets even if we did.  

We project UMD to win over PU.  If PU were to win it would move them to even and UMD to -1.  

We project IL to win over NU.  If NU were to win it would move them to +1 and IL to even.  

We project IU to win at UNL.  If UNL were to win it would move them to +3 and IU to -1.  Then we might need to move UNL up.  

We project RU to win over MN.  If MN were to win it would move them to +1 and RU to -1.  

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #992 on: January 16, 2020, 06:19:15 PM »
Wisconsin will finish in the Top 4 of the Big Ten.
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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #993 on: January 16, 2020, 08:26:44 PM »
I've heard that somewhere before
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