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Re: ~2019 MLB Thread~
« Reply #140 on: October 17, 2019, 02:44:23 AM »
Can't wait for the next 9-7 Super Bowl champ!!!
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« Reply #141 on: October 17, 2019, 10:38:27 AM »
Can't wait for the next 9-7 Super Bowl champ!!!
I'm legitimately torn between what I hate more, that, or roughly 115-120 out of 130 teams playing meaningless games midway through the season.

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« Reply #142 on: October 17, 2019, 01:56:51 PM »
I'm legitimately torn between what I hate more, that, or roughly 115-120 out of 130 teams playing meaningless games midway through the season.
Meaningless because not factoring into the NC?  I think that's just wrong.  Teams still have goals.
For example, the University of Tulsa will never win a national championship.  That doesn't, or shouldn't, anyway, mean that their games are meaningless.  They have the goals of winning their division in the AAC, winning the AAC, and winning their bowl game.
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« Reply #143 on: October 17, 2019, 03:02:32 PM »
Meaningless because not factoring into the NC?  I think that's just wrong.  Teams still have goals.
For example, the University of Tulsa will never win a national championship.  That doesn't, or shouldn't, anyway, mean that their games are meaningless.  They have the goals of winning their division in the AAC, winning the AAC, and winning their bowl game.
I agree, but the current system makes those goals meh.  It's CFP or bust.

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« Reply #144 on: October 17, 2019, 04:52:57 PM »
I understand that point.

Yet another reason to go back to bowls and polls, IMO.
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« Reply #145 on: October 17, 2019, 07:08:22 PM »
I agree, but the current system makes those goals meh.  It's CFP or bust.
It’s only that way if you think of it that way.  And it’s honestly always sort of have been like that anyway.  Winning the MAC doesn’t have any less impact on the national title scene than it 30 years ago, but it’s still a worthwhile goal for the teams in that conference.  I’ve had some gratifying seasons as a fan watching teams that started out poorly and improved as the season went on to make a bowl.

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« Reply #146 on: October 17, 2019, 08:38:36 PM »
It’s only that way if you think of it that way.  And it’s honestly always sort of have been like that anyway.  Winning the MAC doesn’t have any less impact on the national title scene than it 30 years ago, but it’s still a worthwhile goal for the teams in that conference.  I’ve had some gratifying seasons as a fan watching teams that started out poorly and improved as the season went on to make a bowl.
No, but the importance of winning your conference or playing in a good bowl vs. the national title certainly has.

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« Reply #147 on: October 17, 2019, 08:57:36 PM »
I realize 'my' team has had a taste of MNC/NC life, but I've always felt and will always be more attracted and interested in College Football between September and November no matter what the bowl/poll/alliance/bcs/cfp system is at a given time.   I really get checked out following the CCG game weekend, which is silly in itself, though there can be some good games, its the construct I don't like.

That happened, once the conferences/bowls ceded Jan 1 to everybody else.  They butchered NYD, a day college football owned for decades.   Stubborn as the Rose Bowl Game (people are), they don't cede their ground.  They own 2pm local time Jan 1 (2 if conflicting with Sunday) and that's that.

ahem: back to MLB.   I get really into baseball from go (especially if I go to Cactus League) then April until end of May, check out a little bit until early-mid July for a couple weeks (mostly radio), and then pull back in at Labor Day.   I catch some portion of just about every Brewers game radio or TV, but it is a grind.  It is like keeping up with a soap opera.  27-30 nights a month.

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« Reply #148 on: October 18, 2019, 10:45:47 AM »
No, but the importance of winning your conference or playing in a good bowl vs. the national title certainly has.
I guess this is something you and I have went around on before and just see differently.  Last year’s Rose Bowl between Washington and Ohio St to me wasn’t any less important than it was 30 years ago when Michigan St and USC played in it.  Both games were matchups of really good teams that won their conferences but weren’t in the NC picture.  I struggle sometimes to see the difference in how the bowls were viewed.


Every bowl, even the major ones, has had its share of “meaningless” games that goes back well before the CFP.

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« Reply #149 on: October 18, 2019, 11:34:42 AM »
I guess this is something you and I have went around on before and just see differently.  Last year’s Rose Bowl between Washington and Ohio St to me wasn’t any less important than it was 30 years ago when Michigan St and USC played in it.  Both games were matchups of really good teams that won their conferences but weren’t in the NC picture.  I struggle sometimes to see the difference in how the bowls were viewed.


Every bowl, even the major ones, has had its share of “meaningless” games that goes back well before the CFP.
Yes, but a few things.

1.) Even if it was "meaningless" as far as the national championship went, it was still the peak bowl for that team.  Ohio State could do no better than the Rose Bowl, Alabama the Sugar Bowl, etc..., even if it had no national title implications.  It was still the goal bowl.  Now, if you are in the Rose Bowl, it means you weren't good enough for your real goal.

2.) Even in the BCS era, the national title game was a single game.  It was such an elite echelon, that coverage could not and did not singularly focus on it.  The way the coverage is now, you would think they went straight to a 64 team playoff, because the 4 team playoff seems to be covered like the NCAA basketball tournament.

3.) The randomness of the bowl tie ins.  Even as your goals adjusted with each loss, it went from Championship Game, to Rose Bowl, to NYD bowl, to just getting a bowl.  I know there was some playing with that, but there was at least somewhat of a correlation.  Now, the Big Ten just has a bunch of random bowl deals, and they have to take 6 different teams over 6 years or something.  So once you get to 6 wins, meh?  Nothing you do from that point on impacts anything.  I don't think MSU has been to the Citrus or Outback Bowls this cycle, so hell, we might go 6-6 or 7-5 and wind up playing NYD just because we can, and the other bowl eligible teams can't.

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« Reply #150 on: October 18, 2019, 02:00:11 PM »
Yes, but a few things.

1.) Even if it was "meaningless" as far as the national championship went, it was still the peak bowl for that team.  Ohio State could do no better than the Rose Bowl, Alabama the Sugar Bowl, etc..., even if it had no national title implications.  It was still the goal bowl.  Now, if you are in the Rose Bowl, it means you weren't good enough for your real goal.

2.) Even in the BCS era, the national title game was a single game.  It was such an elite echelon, that coverage could not and did not singularly focus on it.  The way the coverage is now, you would think they went straight to a 64 team playoff, because the 4 team playoff seems to be covered like the NCAA basketball tournament.

3.) The randomness of the bowl tie ins.  Even as your goals adjusted with each loss, it went from Championship Game, to Rose Bowl, to NYD bowl, to just getting a bowl.  I know there was some playing with that, but there was at least somewhat of a correlation.  Now, the Big Ten just has a bunch of random bowl deals, and they have to take 6 different teams over 6 years or something.  So once you get to 6 wins, meh?  Nothing you do from that point on impacts anything.  I don't think MSU has been to the Citrus or Outback Bowls this cycle, so hell, we might go 6-6 or 7-5 and wind up playing NYD just because we can, and the other bowl eligible teams can't.
Those are fair points.  I think the biggest difference in our viewpoint is just how we grew up viewing the Bowls. You’ve mentioned before the Rose Bowl was a family event for you.  All the major bowls held equal standing with me with whatever one(s) that had NC implications getting more of my attention.

If I had grown up rooting for a team that had a yearly bowl tie in I might view it differently today.

 

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