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Topic: #11 Michigan (0-1, 2-1) at #13 Wisconsin (1-0, 3-0) - Post Game

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SFBadger96

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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #84 on: September 11, 2019, 01:48:57 PM »
I don't have any trouble believing that there are far different motivations for players in major D-1 programs than there are for me when I play sports. Yeah, I would absolutely care, but I'm also not getting my education paid for and hoping for a big paycheck down the road, if only I don't get injured. I bet there's also a big difference between the guys who are on the verge of that NFL paycheck and those guys who know this will be the last time they put on their pads--and a bunch of people in between who probably identify more with one of those groups than the other (even though they are all a competitive bunch).

And I think this has a bigger influence in the preparation for the bowl game than it does in the game itself, but that the preparation is the bigger deal.

And as a fan, I don't care: I want them all to go out there and play their hearts out for the cardinal and white.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #85 on: September 11, 2019, 01:49:07 PM »
Bowl wins definitely facilitate viral good feels. That's the perception stuff I was talking about. And even if it infects the team and motivates them for the offseason, it's still true that, when it comes to evaluating the success of the season, a Big Ten West or East team in contention for the championship values the win over Minnesota or Maryland, over Illinois or Indiana, more than any outcome on NYD.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #86 on: September 11, 2019, 01:51:20 PM »
Well, your coach isn't 4-0 in bowls, either. :-)



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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #87 on: September 11, 2019, 02:00:09 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on September 11, 2019, 01:51:20 PM
Well, your coach isn't 4-0 in bowls, either. :-)



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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #88 on: September 11, 2019, 02:32:39 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 11, 2019, 01:20:32 PM
Words coming out that TE Zander Neuville has hurt is knee again and is now done with football.

I don't think a 7th year is possible. On to Med School, Zander.
I’m sad for his football career, happy he’ll have a bright real career ahead. 
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #89 on: September 11, 2019, 08:17:14 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on September 11, 2019, 11:34:02 AM
https://blutarsky.wordpress.com/2019/08/08/bud-elliotts-2019-blue-chip-ratio/
https://www.bannersociety.com/pages/blue-chip-ratio-2019
The discrepancy is about how it's compiled, and whether Bud Elliott compiles it that way.
If you will note from my link, it is adjusted for transfers, etc.  So it reflects the actual roster. 

Probably another reason why starzzzz don't mean anything, tbh.

Transfers, injuries, kids that don't qualify, kids that leave early for the NFL -- OMG STARRZZZ doesn't take that into account.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #90 on: September 11, 2019, 08:24:15 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on September 11, 2019, 01:48:57 PM
And I think this has a bigger influence in the preparation for the bowl game than it does in the game itself, but that the preparation is the bigger deal.
That’s actually why I don’t mind guys that are future 1st rd picks like Peppers, Bush, and Gary sitting out. It gives opportunities for younger guys to go out there and gain valuable experience.

And also- hard to blame a kid sitting on a lottery ticket for skipping a bowl game. Bush came from a well to do family as his dad was a former 1st rd pick and 10 year NFL player- but Peppers and Gary came from poverty. Those 1st round multi-million dollar contracts changed the lives of their entire families. Hard for me or anyone to sit there and say oh you should’ve played. Jake Butt was probably a 1st rd pick and he tore all the ligaments in his knee playing in a meaningless bowl game and fell to the 4th rd because of it. He’s STILL having issues with that same knee and has barely played in the NFL. If only he had just sat out....
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #91 on: September 11, 2019, 10:59:32 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on September 11, 2019, 08:17:14 PM
If you will note from my link, it is adjusted for transfers, etc.  So it reflects the actual roster.

Probably another reason why starzzzz don't mean anything, tbh.

Transfers, injuries, kids that don't qualify, kids that leave early for the NFL -- OMG STARRZZZ doesn't take that into account.
True, and you might think that's a better metric, but I don't believe it's the one that Bud Elliot correlated with the national championship ingroup. So it isn't technically BCR.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #92 on: September 12, 2019, 05:47:43 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 11, 2019, 08:24:15 PM
And also- hard to blame a kid sitting on a lottery ticket for skipping a bowl game.
Pretty much discussed that ad nauseam.Before JB ripped his knee up there was already a long list of similiar cases.Blue chippers in their last Bowl Game,getting hurt on the Field & Draft Day.Jaylon Smith was another,the Networks/Coaches/Advertisemnets are raking it in,kid has to look out for his interests
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #93 on: September 12, 2019, 08:19:07 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on September 12, 2019, 05:47:43 AM
Pretty much discussed that ad nauseam.Before JB ripped his knee up there was already a long list of similiar cases.Blue chippers in their last Bowl Game,getting hurt on the Field & Draft Day.Jaylon Smith was another,the Networks/Coaches/Advertisemnets are raking it in,kid has to look out for his interests
Forgot about him. He was a lock as a top 5 pick and his knee gets destroyed in the bowl game vs OSU and he falls to the 2nd or 3rd. Literally cost him and his family millions. Thankfully he’s recovered in Dallas and he’s an excellent player. Still have to wonder how great he could’ve been without that injury.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #94 on: September 12, 2019, 11:05:26 AM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on September 11, 2019, 10:59:32 PM
True, and you might think that's a better metric, but I don't believe it's the one that Bud Elliot correlated with the national championship ingroup. So it isn't technically BCR.
Bottom line, Penn state has more talent on their roster than Michigan if you buy into OMGSTARZZZ.

One thing I forgot to mention --

Penn State is the second youngest team in the B1G, and one of the 10 youngest in the country.  Even if you believed in STARZZZ, I would think a veteran team would have quite a few advantages over younger team.

Which leads me to my greater point -- it is all bunk anyway.  

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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #95 on: September 12, 2019, 01:30:37 PM »
A few things I'm sure of right now:

1) Wisconsin has, to date, outperformed its fans' expectations, albeit against poor teams. But pitching two dominant shutouts, including scoring more points than yards allowed, has raised expectations.

2) Wisconsin hasn't played a quality team yet, so let's all just calm down for a minute.

3) Michigan has, to date, under performed its fans' expectations against two teams that raise the fans' eyebrows. It is 2-0, which is what really matters at this point in the season, but ain't no one happy with needing double overtime to beat a service academy at home--doesn't matter which service academy.

4) Michigan's defense hasn't been bad, nor has it been as dominant as one would expect from Michigan, particularly after last year. Michigan's turnovers have been bad. Really bad. Which has made the offense highly questionable as well.

5) More than any other team, Michigan has been Wisconsin's kryptonite, so while I am encouraged at the same time Michigan fans are discouraged, I take nothing about next Saturday's game for granted.

6) If Michigan wins next Saturday, all will be forgiven for Big Blue, at least as long as Michigan keeps winning.

7) If Wisconsin wins next Saturday, it will be great for the Badgers, but many people will discount it as Michigan having a down year.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #96 on: September 12, 2019, 01:39:35 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on September 12, 2019, 11:05:26 AM
Bottom line, Penn state has more talent on their roster than Michigan if you buy into OMGSTARZZZ.

One thing I forgot to mention --

Penn State is the second youngest team in the B1G, and one of the 10 youngest in the country.  Even if you believed in STARZZZ, I would think a veteran team would have quite a few advantages over younger team.

Which leads me to my greater point -- it is all bunk anyway. 
This back and forth began on the technicality that Michigan is less than second in Big Ten BCR. I just chimed in to specify that isn't true.

I am surprised/impressed by the "active roster" link you provided, though. Especially given all of PSU's transfer portal losses. Michigan must be dragged down by the 2015 (Harbaugh "just hired") class when attrition due to the 2014 season and Hoke's firing caused the class to halve by mid-December and Harbaugh couldn't begin recruiting until mid-January. Since then, Michigan has finished ranked 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, and 1st in Big Ten recruiting as compared to 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, and 3rd for PSU.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #97 on: September 12, 2019, 01:44:19 PM »
The goal of a Big Ten championship will still alive and well for both teams on the 22nd.
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