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Topic: #11 Michigan (0-1, 2-1) at #13 Wisconsin (1-0, 3-0) - Post Game

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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #70 on: September 11, 2019, 12:11:24 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on September 11, 2019, 11:51:14 AM
I love this new addition to "the Speech." Except leave out the 0-4 vs. Ohio State and 2-2 vs. Michigan State--I don't think the fans will like those.

Michigan's gotta have something when it doesn't have conference championships...

:)

Heh. For next week, I'd say "a stronger program" than Wisconsin from 2015-2018 is something worth something. After 2008-2014 for both schools, the long term arrows are more flattering to Michigan.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #71 on: September 11, 2019, 12:50:45 PM »
"Most all-time wins, highest all-time winning percentage, and flattering long term arrows." :-)
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #72 on: September 11, 2019, 12:56:26 PM »
Ha! As long as the snark keeps applying to positive facts I'll take it. Despite trying, I can't unremember how, back before 2015, Wisconsin suddenly spent 7 years as a better program than Michigan. And how unusual and sucky that was. 🙃
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #73 on: September 11, 2019, 12:57:43 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 11, 2019, 11:42:23 AM
the big kid from Lincoln is healthy?
He missed the last game and a true freshman from Janesville, WI started in his place.

The big guy from Lincoln might lose his starting job.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #74 on: September 11, 2019, 12:59:08 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 11, 2019, 11:46:44 AM
Dantonio has a great argument for doing more with less.

I’d argue that Harbs does less with more than any coach in the conference. And I’d argue that his teams have basically quit on him come Bowl season.
Yes, I meant to type "less with more" and I fixed it.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #75 on: September 11, 2019, 01:06:03 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on September 11, 2019, 11:51:14 AM
I love this new addition to "the Speech." Except leave out the 0-4 vs. Ohio State and 2-2 vs. Michigan State--I don't think the fans will like those.

Michigan's gotta have something when it doesn't have conference championships...

:)
His record vs Ohio State is absolutely unacceptable, but if not for an act of god he’s 3-1 v MSU. That was to this day the flukiest ending I’ve ever seen in a football game. They had that thing won and in the bag and then......

I’ll cut him a little slack on the MSU record. He should be 3-1. 

That OSU record is what really matters so though, and 0-4 is an abomination.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #76 on: September 11, 2019, 01:08:58 PM »
The bowl record pisses me off more. It makes the conference look bad.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #77 on: September 11, 2019, 01:15:44 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 11, 2019, 01:08:58 PM
The bowl record pisses me off more. It makes the conference look bad.
Well those bowls are basically meaningless exhibitions and he’s had lots of the best players on his teams sit out those games and the players that played in them pretty much quit in the games. 


2016 and 2018 immediately come to mind. Had top guys sit out the game both times and it’s hard for guys to get up and get excited when they were 10-1 both times playing Ohio State for a playoff spot only to get donkey punched in the dick and come up short. I doubt half the team even gave a shit about playing in the bowl game after that. I wouldn’t care. Would you?
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #78 on: September 11, 2019, 01:16:44 PM »
Yeah, the record versus MSU may be tied 2-2, but it doesn't feel that way. There's a lot that goes into it. Bigger wins than losses is one. But the  programs are just going in different directions. Just view their total W/L records since 2015. Since 2016, MSU is basically a 7-win team. MSU has also been hurt more in recruiting during this time than any other Big Ten program. And then there's the matter of comparing 2-2 to the MSU win% of RR/Hoke. The rivalry is in transition, and it's not happening slowly. 

Of course, that all conspires to make the MSU game the #1 must win on the schedule this year. So while it feels like things are peachy, 4 years also isn't much and just like the new M-UW comparison, there's plenty of time for M-MSU to switch directions. 
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #79 on: September 11, 2019, 01:19:08 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 11, 2019, 01:15:44 PM
Well those bowls are basically meaningless exhibitions and he’s had lots of the best players on his teams sit out those games and the players that played in them pretty much quit in the games.


2016 and 2018 immediately come to mind. Had top guys sit out the game both times and it’s hard for guys to get up and get excited when they were 10-1 both times playing Ohio State for a playoff spot only to get donkey punched in the dick and come up short. I doubt half the team even gave a shit about playing in the bowl game after that. I wouldn’t care. Would you?
If I had the uniform on and was surrounded by my teammates, you can bet your ass I'd care. Play to win for your team, period.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #80 on: September 11, 2019, 01:20:32 PM »
Words coming out that TE Zander Neuville has hurt is knee again and is now done with football. 

I don't think a 7th year is possible. On to Med School, Zander.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #81 on: September 11, 2019, 01:24:18 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 11, 2019, 01:08:58 PM
The bowl record pisses me off more. It makes the conference look bad.
I don't think the non-CoFoPO bowls matter as much as they used to. The best players sitting out now is a sign of that. A non-CoFoPO bowl win/loss counts less than a regular season win/loss. At least for teams in contention for the conference championship, that's true. Perception matters, which is a score for bowl wins having nonzero worth. And adding another integer to the W column is better than the opposite. But that's where it ends. We might even argue it's significantly more important to beat a MAC team in September OOC than to win a NYD bowl, but there's no debate that it's more important to beat Indiana than win on NYD.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #82 on: September 11, 2019, 01:26:50 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 11, 2019, 01:19:08 PM
If I had the uniform on and was surrounded by my teammates, you can bet your ass I'd care. Play to win for your team, period.
I don’t know. That’s easy to say on a message board. We’re not the young guys playing the game and having to deal with the emotions and disappointment and pain. Losing in double OT on a 4th and inches play- that’s devastating. Then getting beat down as the favorite and getting 60 hung on you? That’s demoralizing. Both times they were 10-1 and a W would have put them right in the playoff hunt. Both times they fell flat on their faces. Hard for a team to recover imo. And then to have top guys just check out and get ready for the NFL- makes others just start to check out.

And having players sit out the bowl also hurts not only the team on the field but the morale in the locker room and of the team. Makes the other players feel like what’s the point- he’s sitting out why should I even care about this. 
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #83 on: September 11, 2019, 01:43:14 PM »
I guess every team is different. UW had a couple players skip the bowl game - they were hurt but probably could have played. So, there's that.

Taking the beating from Minnesota made me not optimistic for the bowl game. Then it was announced that Coan would start and the cancer was gone.

I think that one thing made all the difference in drilling Miami. I really do.
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